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Speaker 1: Looks like the old cell phone band in schools is working.

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Speaker 1: New RO report tells us classroom learning has improved, kids

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Speaker 1: are more sociable, and we have a reduction in bullying

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Speaker 1: compliance though well less than forty percent. Apparently of year twelve,

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Speaker 1: thirteens are handing them in. Ruth Janoda as the hit

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Speaker 1: of the EER Education Evaluation Center, and she's back, Well

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Speaker 1: that's Ruth, good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 1: So what are the numbers you've gotten in terms of

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Speaker 1: if they're not handing them in at years twelve and thirteen,

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Speaker 1: so are they doing it at nineteen and eleven for example?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely so if you said, really encouraging results so

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Speaker 2: far from their cell phone ban which came in last year,

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Speaker 2: improved focus, improved achievement, reduced bad behavior, and reduction in bullying.

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Speaker 2: So two thirds and secondary leader is the same. Billion's

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Speaker 2: gone down. But this is despite the fact that half

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Speaker 2: the secondary school students don't comply all the time, and

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Speaker 2: the number one reason they don't comply is actually to

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Speaker 2: contact all be contacted by their.

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Speaker 1: Parents, right, and so are the rules around that if

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Speaker 1: you can the kid just say to a teacher, I'm

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Speaker 1: not giving you the phone and that's seemed that is it, No,

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Speaker 1: so Imprice school.

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Speaker 2: What happens is they generally confiscate them at the beginning

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Speaker 2: of the day and then they give them back at

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Speaker 2: the end of the day. In secondary schools they tell

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Speaker 2: them to put them away the day. But the way

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Speaker 2: the phones away for the day is in fact the requirement.

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Speaker 2: Secondary school students are sort of sneaking at break times, bathrooms,

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Speaker 2: popping out, using in other places and when they're caught.

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Speaker 2: But number one reason they feel they're doing it is

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Speaker 2: because they're contacted by or are contacting their parents. And

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Speaker 2: so we're saying to parents today up and down the country,

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Speaker 2: if your phone, if you want to phone your child

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Speaker 2: today in the school office, if your child's phones don't

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Speaker 2: answer them at the end of the day, tell them

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Speaker 2: the phone's supposed to be away, because we know that

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Speaker 2: it makes a difference to learning.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but also they're not ringing their parents, and their

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Speaker 1: parents aren't ringing them. You must understand that, Ruth. That's

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Speaker 1: the first excuse they come up with. What they're doing

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Speaker 1: is gaming and texting and sitting on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: Actually it's a bit of a mixture. So we did

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Speaker 2: talk to parents and they did say they are contacting

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Speaker 2: their students, you know, things like if you've got this kid,

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Speaker 2: are you picking up here? A third of parents actually

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Speaker 2: worry about not being able to contact their students through

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Speaker 2: the day. So we're saying, as an VAM, yes, we

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Speaker 2: need to make sure that we've got parents backing schools,

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Speaker 2: because we found if parents resist, students are twice as

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Speaker 2: likely to be breaking the rules. There's a really strong

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Speaker 2: relationship there. I'll tell you what works though, taking the

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Speaker 2: phone off kids, confiscating it, notifying the parents. Schools that

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Speaker 2: do that have strong enforcements students compliance doubles good.

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Speaker 1: The results you're getting it is I take it observational.

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Speaker 1: So in other words, they're telling you they think that

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Speaker 1: bullying is down. There's nothing hard data woush about it.

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Speaker 1: It's just an observation set fear.

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Speaker 2: So what we know is that teachers know really well

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Speaker 2: what's going on in their class. So we had ten

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Speaker 2: thousand teachers, leaders, students and parents and boards telling us

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Speaker 2: what's going on in schools. We also interviewed. We have

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Speaker 2: board assurance statements where they report to EERO, and of

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Speaker 2: course EERO goes in and looks at schools everything is

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Speaker 2: reporting the same thing, and teachers don't generally say billing's

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Speaker 2: gone down if it hasn't, and certainly not two thirds

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Speaker 2: of school leaders. So they're seeing a big shift, and

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Speaker 2: that's because you know what it's like. If they can't

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Speaker 2: take the phone out and click people fighting, people fight this,

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Speaker 2: if they can't send each other aggressive text and messages

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Speaker 2: in past, really reduces the billing. But you're right when

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Speaker 2: you said earlier that whilst getting rid of cell phones

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Speaker 2: is a great first step, we still have got more to.

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Speaker 1: Do good stuff. Ruth, appreciate your time as always, Ruth Shanoda,

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Speaker 1: who's the hit of the eer evaluation that seem to

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