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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand to coverage like

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Speaker 1: no one else.

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Speaker 2: News Dogs havev.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, We're

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Speaker 3: going to get the latest on the Tom Phillips developments

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Speaker 3: with the Police Commissioner up the five Health New Zealand

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Speaker 3: on the revelation that one in three people in Wellington's

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Speaker 3: emergency department are being treated in the corridors. The Turner's

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Speaker 3: ad has finally been taken down, and we'll get analysis

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Speaker 3: of that Murdock deal for you. It's Heather Duplicy Allen

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Speaker 3: well It now transpires that police are allowing a documentary

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Speaker 3: to be made about Tom Phillips and their hunt for him.

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Speaker 3: It's being made by Julie Christie made lots of great

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Speaker 3: television in the past, reality TV showmaker. There are camera

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Speaker 3: crews following police officers being given access, if you want

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Speaker 3: to call that behind the scenes, you know, the kind

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Speaker 3: of access that the average media crew can't get. Now, personally,

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Speaker 3: I think this documentary needs to be killed off immediately.

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Speaker 3: I do not blame the police for saying yes to

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Speaker 3: this documentary. In the first place. If it hadn't ended

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Speaker 3: this way with Tom Phillips trying to kill a police

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Speaker 3: officer and then being shot dead in response in front

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Speaker 3: of his daughter, If that hadn't happened, and if various

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Speaker 3: other things hadn't ended the way that they had, it

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Speaker 3: might have actually been a good idea to do this documentary.

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Speaker 3: It might have shown the efforts that the police have

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Speaker 3: gone to over the last four years to track them down,

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Speaker 3: the consideration that they've put into it, the care that

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Speaker 3: they've taken. It might actually have been really good pr

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Speaker 3: for the police. But now what it is is mainly

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Speaker 3: just a threat to these kids' future. It is going

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Speaker 3: to be hard enough for these children to find a

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Speaker 3: way to be normal in a country that is obsessed

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Speaker 3: with what has happened to them over the last four years.

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Speaker 3: By the time that this documentary comes out, might be

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Speaker 3: two years, five years, ten years.

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Speaker 4: Who knows.

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Speaker 3: Documentary is not put together fast. By the time it

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Speaker 3: comes out, who knows. Hopefully we will have moved on

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Speaker 3: as a country and be interested in other things. And

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Speaker 3: all a documentary like this is going to do is

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Speaker 3: remind us and the world who are fascinated by what

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Speaker 3: happened to the Phillips kids about this case all over again,

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Speaker 3: and we will hit Google and we will remind ourselves

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Speaker 3: of what the kids look like, and what their names are,

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Speaker 3: and what happened to them in the bush. Children should

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Speaker 3: never be punished and tortured for the stupid things that

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Speaker 3: their parents do and the bad decisions that their parents make.

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Speaker 3: They deserve the right to as much anonymity as possible

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Speaker 3: and just the chance to live a life free of

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Speaker 3: what their parents have done. I don't think that the

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Speaker 3: media that I belong to should publish their photos anymore.

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Speaker 3: No one should take a photo of them as they

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Speaker 3: look right now having come out of the bush. And

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Speaker 3: this documentary needs to be called off.

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Speaker 2: Heather du pusy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Nino is the text, and but let me know what

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Speaker 3: you think about that. And actually, by the way, we'll

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Speaker 3: be giving you updates. There's lots to talk about in

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Speaker 3: the Phillips case. It's transpired over the last twenty four

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Speaker 3: hours of bringing all the updates as we go through. Now,

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Speaker 3: as I mentioned, it's going to be a really tough

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Speaker 3: road to recovery for the recovered Phillip's children. They are

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Speaker 3: now in state care Sarah Chatwin is a child psychologist

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Speaker 3: and with us Hi Sarah, Hi, Heather. What do you,

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Speaker 3: by the way, what do you think about that the

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Speaker 3: documentary idea?

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Speaker 5: I'm team Heather. I think I can't imagine the point

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Speaker 5: of that is. So a man is now dead, his

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Speaker 5: children are re traumatized. It's just a mess. I'm a

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Speaker 5: psychologist and I'm in shock. What would be the point

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Speaker 5: of that documentary? Can you tell me what the point is?

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Speaker 6: Is it making heroes of the police? I don't know

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Speaker 3: Point I think I think that probably was the point originally,

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Speaker 3: if you think about it from a police perspective, is

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Speaker 3: to show the effort that they're making to get this right.

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Speaker 5: And I understand, and you know, boy, they had a

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Speaker 5: big job ahead of them because it's been four years, right.

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Speaker 5: I just don't see how this has played out, how

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Speaker 5: that necessitates a documentary that's just sensationalizing a time in

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Speaker 5: our history that we just want to let go of

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Speaker 5: and allow these children to Oh, you know, they've got

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Speaker 6: It's a journey. And I believe in the resilience of

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Speaker 5: Generally, but this is a biggie. You've been living a

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Speaker 5: certain way for four years. You have seen a lot

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Speaker 5: of stuff that kids shouldn't see. You have not been

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Speaker 5: exposed to social connection and interaction. You've lost a lot

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Speaker 5: of time, you've had no education, You've been living with

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Speaker 5: as you said, you know, in years to come, you're

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Speaker 5: reliving it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I did talk about responsible reporting yesterday when I was,

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Speaker 5: you know, talking to people about what had happened. I'm

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Speaker 5: not sure that that's a responsible documentary. I understand, and

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Speaker 5: I do appreciate, and I'm sure we all do appreciate

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Speaker 5: the links that the police went to to try to

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Speaker 5: secure a better outcome than this, a more peaceful outcome

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Speaker 5: than this, But it hasn't happened. And this is a really,

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Speaker 5: really bad time for a whole lot of people and families.

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Speaker 6: So no, I'm team here from.

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Speaker 3: All right, sah, I'm pleased to get your perspective on

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Speaker 3: that now, from tell me, after four years in the bush,

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Speaker 5: Look, I definitely think there's road to recovery there and

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Speaker 5: those people will obviously always be a part of the

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Speaker 5: children's lives. I mean, I don't know why there was

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Speaker 5: her children. I don't have all the facts on that,

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Speaker 6: But for kids to feel secure.

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Speaker 5: The research, you know, points us in the direction of

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Speaker 5: consistent care, unconditional love, and physical and emotional safety, pretty

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Speaker 5: much none of which these kids have had for a

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Speaker 5: prior to that, there was obviously some dispute and things

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Speaker 5: So you know, these kids very very quickly need to

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Speaker 5: unconditional love, physical and emotional safety. So whoever can give

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Speaker 5: them that is the right person to be put in

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Speaker 5: I'm not in possession of those facts and I'm not

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Speaker 5: at the moment. I guess there's a lot of assessment

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, So what it sounds like is, judging by

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Speaker 3: not with the mother, it's not with the grandparents. They're

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Speaker 3: settling somewhere, and in the weeks to come, the police

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Speaker 3: will slowly interview them with an expert. Is that kind

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Speaker 3: of how you expect that it should play.

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Speaker 5: I would have expected that there was, yes, a period

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Speaker 6: So that sounds right. I'm not sure about the context.

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Speaker 5: I guess because they have been away from mother, grandparents,

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Speaker 5: I guess we're taking into account members of you know,

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Speaker 6: Or grandparents on their father's side. I'm not sure who

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Speaker 5: That the powers that be would look all the experts,

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Speaker 5: it's a very it's a delicate situations together all of them.

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Speaker 5: The children, Yes, I would, Well, they've been together, they've

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Speaker 6: Support crew for four years.

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Speaker 5: They're you know, obviously the only one missing his dad,

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Speaker 5: So absolutely I would suggest that they're kept together.

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Speaker 6: That would be.

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Speaker 5: Again another insult, adding that insult to already a very

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Speaker 6: So yes, I would keep them together.

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Speaker 5: I mean, the three children same genetic background, but they're

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Speaker 5: probably all very different children. They're at slightly different ages,

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Speaker 6: I mean, one child was obviously a child that the father.

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Speaker 6: Pretty out there kind of stuff with regard.

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Speaker 5: To including a child and that kind of stuff, you know,

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Speaker 5: be different perceptions that those kids would have of the

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Speaker 3: Sarah, thank you. Was always really appreciate your expertise, Sarah Chatwin,

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Speaker 3: child psychologist from from Basically, we're gleaning things every single

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Speaker 3: what is going on, but that is the facts as

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Speaker 3: Sport Warriors six pm.

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Speaker 7: Wede Eden's okay you reckon? Yeah no, you said that

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Speaker 7: At six o'clock tonight, the teams will come out. It's

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Speaker 9: But that team comes out tonight at six.

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Speaker 7: The story around this game, if everyone's getting kind of

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Speaker 8: And that you know what.

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Speaker 7: NRL couldn't care less about Ruby. The NRL they care

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Speaker 3: Look, I don't care about rugby.

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Speaker 9: Why would they change anything they're doing to appease the

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Speaker 9: It's like you want to watch us, watch us, you

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Speaker 3: It's a big night for us.

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Speaker 3: We're going to be chucking the kids in bed at sex,

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Speaker 8: Are you? No?

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Speaker 9: Yes, seven o'clock Mouse Smart Stadium and op unity to

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Speaker 7: Four matches and he's thirty three years old. He's not

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Darcy Darcy Wardgrove Sports Talk Hoast.

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Speaker 3: He'll be back at seven. It's for twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Hard questions, strong opinion, Hither duplicy Ellen drive with one

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Speaker 3: Be hither, excuse me, lord above, what's just going on?

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Speaker 3: Murrayold's with us out of Australia. Soon news talks edb.

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Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage

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Speaker 3: Murriol's, Hey, what about that the succession drama in real

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Speaker 3: life has finally been resolved in Kendall. Roy is the winner.

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Speaker 3: Murriol's is going to explain it all to us in

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Speaker 3: a few minutes time. Barry Soop will be a US

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Speaker 3: in ten minutes. Wellington. So, the latest out of Wellington

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Speaker 3: is that one in three people who are in the

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Speaker 2: It's the World Wires on Youth Talks, it'd be drive.

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Speaker 3: A note that's allegedly from Donald Trump wishing Jeffrey Epsteen

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Speaker 3: a happy birthday has now been released by the Democrats.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: It alludes to the unnamed Wonderful Secret and has a

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Speaker 3: drawing of a naked woman. Trump's denied the note was

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Speaker 2: I'll do drawings sometimes, he would.

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Speaker 10: You do a building and I'll drew a four line

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Speaker 2: So but but I'm not a drawing person. I don't

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Speaker 3: The Murdoch family has finally reached a succession deal. Lochlan

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Speaker 3: Murdoch gets full control of News Corp and Fox Corpse,

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Speaker 3: More on that with Murray Old shortly and finally.

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Speaker 8: Strangely alluring.

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Speaker 3: Passenger has gone viral for making fresh and yoki while

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Speaker 1: International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of mind

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Speaker 3: Murrayold's Australia correspondent with US now he mus good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 3: All right, so what's the latest with these comments about

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Speaker 3: the migrants from India.

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Speaker 11: Well, the lady says it's blown up like a frog

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Speaker 8: Middle that woke wet middle.

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Speaker 11: According to the right wingers, Prices in trouble for saying

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Speaker 11: So it's all good. Susan Lee's done all she can

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Speaker 11: It's not very helpful for a party that's so far behind.

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Speaker 11: It's really invisible in the political race over here.

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Speaker 3: Now what do you make of A and Z announcing

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Speaker 3: they're going to get rid of so many people?

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Speaker 11: Wow to Cutters are going to be very active though,

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Speaker 8: We're going to be we're going to be getting rid

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Speaker 11: Well, hello, today we've found out over the next twelve

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Speaker 8: It's completely unhinged.

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Speaker 11: As I say, mattis arrived in May the deliberate high

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Speaker 8: He's got a new nickname, heather n No get on.

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Speaker 3: All right, thank you for explaining it.

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Speaker 3: All right, So what do you make of Lachland getting

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Speaker 3: full control.

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Speaker 8: Well, it means that Daddy has done it again.

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Speaker 11: bugger still can take a trick. You'd never want to

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Speaker 11: play cards with Rupert Murdoch. He made this bet a

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Speaker 11: year ago. He looked at his four oldest children, Lachlan, James.

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Speaker 11: You've got Prudence and Elizabeth, and they had an irrevocable

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Speaker 11: trust that was set up many years ago, under the

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Speaker 11: terms of which when Rupert dies.

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Speaker 8: The four adult oldest kids would share the bulk of

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Speaker 8: the estate.

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Speaker 11: Rupert looked at this last year, looked at us up.

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Speaker 11: His second son James said, Oh, he's a lefty, you know.

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Speaker 11: He's worried about climate trage, a change in tree frogs.

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Speaker 11: He apparently never considered the two women up to anything,

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Speaker 11: and he nominated Lochlan as his heir apparent, the one

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Speaker 11: and only air apparent, And he went to court in

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Speaker 11: Nevada trying to get this irrevocable trust changed. Well, the

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Speaker 11: judge threw it out, he said, made it's just a

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Speaker 11: complete fiction what you're saying. But Lochlan, as I say,

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Speaker 11: was Rupert's picture on the business. He's the most conservative,

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Speaker 11: the Rupert was arguing, and the most likely to keep

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Speaker 11: it operating profitably into the future. As I say, I

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Speaker 11: went to court thrown out, he said, he's going to appeal. Well,

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Speaker 11: now private talks have settled at all. Lachlan is going

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Speaker 11: to be the single heir of Rupert Murdoch when he goes.

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Speaker 11: But the other three siblings, who were all now barred

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Speaker 11: from ever having any shares in the companies. Fox Corporation,

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Speaker 11: News Corporation h is to receive more than one billion

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Speaker 11: US dollars for their shares in those two companies.

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Speaker 8: So it's a massive win for Rupert. It's got a

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Speaker 8: customer for you, Bob, but he's got plenty real life.

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Speaker 3: Succession had a better ending.

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Speaker 8: A Oh, it's extraordinary. And you know he set this

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Speaker 8: in train a year ago and he's done it again.

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Speaker 8: Never back against.

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Speaker 3: Him, No, totally, muz, Thank you very much. Murray Olds,

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Speaker 3: Australia correspondent. Hither Tom Phillips must have had fires at

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Speaker 3: his campsite in the middle of winter. Can you ask

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Speaker 3: Police Commissioner Richard Chambers why didn't the police over four

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Speaker 3: whole years keeps the valance for smoke? That's actually not

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Speaker 3: a bad question to be honest. By the way, just

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Speaker 3: on the Murdoch thing, we're going to talk to a

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Speaker 3: chap called Paddy Manning who's a journalist and the host

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Speaker 3: of a podcast about Rupert Murdoch. On the succession stuff,

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Speaker 3: he's going to be with us after sex either du

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Speaker 3: On the Phillips thing, there's a guy who reckons that

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Speaker 3: he actually came across Tom Phillips three times in the

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Speaker 3: last four years. The chap's name is Leon Wood seems

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Speaker 3: to have actually taken it upon himself to do a

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Speaker 3: bit of a private investigation looking for Tom Phillips. He

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Speaker 3: spent about like really close to one thousand hours just

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Speaker 3: on the search of but nine hundred and seventy six

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Speaker 3: hours or something like that, Reckons. The first time he

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Speaker 3: came across Phillips was in the Carfier area. He saw

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Speaker 3: Phillips and the three kids and a friend in a ute,

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Speaker 3: and he could tell it was Tom Phillips because of

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Speaker 3: his head and of course very distinctive kind of you know,

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Speaker 3: shape of his head. The second time, he reckons, he

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Speaker 3: saw him in a nearby valley, so he must have

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Speaker 3: been out out. He must have gone out bush looking

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Speaker 3: for him. He pulled out his bunch, he saw somebody

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Speaker 3: out there, pulled out his binoculars, had a copped an eifel. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: oh that's Tom Phillips. Oh look, Tom Phillips is looking

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Speaker 3: back at me with his binoculars. Kids were running around outside.

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Speaker 3: Tom tells him to go inside. Tom goes inside, comes

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Speaker 3: out with a gun. So this bloke scarpers as you

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Speaker 3: would third time he saw him, he Reckons, was only

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Speaker 3: last month and he saw him at a batch. He

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Speaker 3: says he was driving part he reckons it was him.

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Speaker 3: I think it's not one hundred percent ident, not one

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Speaker 3: hundred percent confirmation, but he was driving slowly past this batch,

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Speaker 3: saw a guy standing on the deck. The guy start

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Speaker 3: acting suspiciously, ran out, had a hat on, so he

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Speaker 3: couldn't be sure with a distinctive head shape that it

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Speaker 3: was actually Phillips was covered by a hat. But the

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Speaker 3: guy ran down the deck then stood there and watched

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Speaker 3: leon Wood the entire suggests like it sounds like the

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Speaker 3: entire time. As he drove past, leon Wood says he

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Speaker 3: was never able to get the police there in a

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Speaker 3: hurry because all the cell phone coveragees were all patchy

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Speaker 3: and stuff in a bit of a problem. So by

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Speaker 3: the time he got into good cell phone coverage and

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Speaker 3: then called the cops and the cops got out there,

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Speaker 3: Phillips had got on a quad bike. Everybody gone on

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Speaker 3: their cord bikes and taken off anyway. As I say,

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Speaker 3: Richard Chambers with US Police Commissioner after five and also

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Speaker 3: in the matter of the children being in state care,

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Speaker 3: Karen Sure the Minister for Children who's in charge of

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Speaker 3: ordering at Samitikei. She's with us after the half past five,

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Speaker 3: sixteen away from five.

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Speaker 1: Politics with Centrics Credit, check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 2: Certain do I mean to.

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Speaker 3: Tell you what's going on with the turners ad So

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Speaker 3: I'm going to do that very shortly. Barry Sober right now,

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Speaker 3: thirteen away from five and Barrysober, senior political correspondents with us. Hey, Barry,

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Speaker 3: good afternoon. Okay, So what's the update on the Tom

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Speaker 3: Phillips from a political perspective?

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Speaker 2: Well, was interesting.

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Speaker 9: I know you probably watched it as well.

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Speaker 10: I watched the press conference this morning, both the Police

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Speaker 10: Minister Mark Mitchell and the Commissioner Richard Chambers. They visited

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Speaker 10: the constable who was shot in Waikato hospital this morning.

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Speaker 10: It was a very somber press conference.

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Speaker 2: I might say.

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Speaker 10: Richard Chambers's voice was close to cracking. I thought on

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Speaker 10: a few occasions. It just shows that he's very close

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Speaker 10: to his men and that's probably why he got the job.

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Speaker 10: But they're both back from Melbourne and you know, the

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Speaker 10: irony is terrible really that they were at a funeral

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Speaker 10: of one of the officers who was shot over there

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Speaker 10: last week, so that's particularly sad. Chambers said. The officer

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Speaker 10: here is doing well after being shot several times by

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Speaker 10: Tom Phillips.

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Speaker 12: He was able to speak to us a little bit.

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Speaker 12: His eyes are not open, you'll appreciate that. Yesterday he

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Speaker 12: spent a good deal of the day in surgery. As

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Speaker 12: I said, it's very confronting, but he knows where they are.

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Speaker 12: He was able to a couple of laughs and that's good,

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Speaker 12: but it's pretty hard the threat that mister Phillips presented.

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Speaker 9: He was a very motivated offender. He had a very

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Speaker 9: high powered rifle.

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Speaker 12: As you've heard the minister saying, there is absolutely no

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Speaker 12: doubt his intent was to kill the police officer.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I heard you on with the child psychologists earlier

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Speaker 10: ahead and that you know, for a twelve year old

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Speaker 10: to see a father being shot and we're still to

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Speaker 10: see a policeman being shot as well, just it must

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Speaker 10: be so traumatic.

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Speaker 3: Yes, such a long road, such a long road to recovery. Unfortunate, unfortunately. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So Winston in a fight.

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Speaker 9: Verbal he loves stirring in Parliament.

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Speaker 8: It's his theater.

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Speaker 9: Basically, he was at it again.

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Speaker 10: The Greens were resplendent in their Palestinian scarves, wondering why

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Speaker 10: New Zealand is not recognizing Palestine when many other countries

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Speaker 10: are now doing so. Was the intervention of the Maldi parties.

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Speaker 10: Debbie Noriwa Packer who got Peter's got on Peter's goat.

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Speaker 10: The Foreign Minister told her in New Zealand's requorders without

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Speaker 10: parallel before it turns out.

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Speaker 13: Here, which one of those countries can tell us what

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Speaker 13: democracy should look like, given our proud record going all

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Speaker 13: the way back to eighteen fifty four and giving Mary

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Speaker 13: the vote lad in sixty seven and women the vote

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Speaker 13: first before all the other countries.

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Speaker 9: No, no, no, no, no, no about it. I'm not

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Speaker 9: not half Maurray. I mean real ones, not.

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Speaker 13: Irish packers, not Irish packers.

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Speaker 14: Not Irish packers, nor order mister speaker a border DEMI

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Speaker 14: I take offense to what the previous speaker has just said,

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Speaker 14: and it is not it is not appropriate to use

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Speaker 14: this place to blood quantum and to sit there and

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Speaker 14: suggest that someone's to sit there, to suggest that someone

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Speaker 14: has passed something.

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Speaker 10: Well, she seems to have forgotten that her co leader

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Speaker 10: Rawi White Tea, he made a statement about Mardy having

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Speaker 10: superior genetics to park Ya.

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Speaker 9: So yeah, that's the pot calling the Kendle black.

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Speaker 3: I would it is rich coming from them because remember

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Speaker 3: they she was she not also one of the ones

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Speaker 3: who made a suggestion that David Seymour was not a

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Speaker 3: real Marty.

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Speaker 10: Oh absolutely yeah, because is not quite as thick as hers.

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Speaker 3: Well, he wasn't behaving like she's just childish stuff. It

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Speaker 3: is very who's invited Nichola Willister to go and see

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Speaker 3: the homeless in Auckland.

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Speaker 10: Well, I'll let you have a guess as I talk

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Speaker 10: about it. It was again very lively, but the topics

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Speaker 10: I've got to say in question time today they don't

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Speaker 10: change very much from one recess to another. The Greens,

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Speaker 10: Chloe Swarwick, was again raising the plight of homeless, particularly

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Speaker 10: in her electorate of Auckland Central. For weeks now she's

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Speaker 10: been inviting the Prime Minister to take a walk.

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Speaker 9: With her to meet street dwellers.

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Speaker 10: Well, today she turned her attention to the Finance Minister,

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Speaker 10: inviting her to do the same, and as usual at

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Speaker 10: miss the mark.

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Speaker 15: Will the Finance Minister then take up the invitation which

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Speaker 15: the Prime Minister has so far ignored to walk the

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Speaker 15: streets of Auckland Central to meet the people, including the

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Speaker 15: children who her government's decisions have made homeless, or.

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Speaker 16: Mister speaker, I think the more immediate response, if the

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Speaker 16: member is aware of any children living on the street,

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Speaker 16: would be for her to urgently bring that information to

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Speaker 16: the Ministry of Social Development to ensure those children get

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Speaker 16: the support to which they are entitled.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, and the truth is I walk on the streets

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Speaker 10: of Walkland every day and I've never seen children sleeping

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Speaker 10: rough on the streets. So you know again, Chloe Swarbrick

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Speaker 10: is missing the mark.

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Speaker 3: All right, he Barry, thanks very much, appreciate it. Barry Soper,

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Speaker 3: Senior political correspondent, eight away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 17: So after virtually four years, the Tom philipsunger came to

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Speaker 17: a conclusion.

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Speaker 9: Mike Mitchell's the police Minister.

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Speaker 2: Obviously an awful s situation to everyone involved.

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Speaker 17: When you've got father with three children deep in the bush,

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Speaker 17: with firearms, unpredictable and like to use them, did you

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Speaker 17: have a genuine knowledge based belief that he was capable

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Speaker 17: of harming his own children?

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Speaker 2: I can't answer.

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Speaker 17: That also the detail in terms of the risk analysis

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Speaker 17: that would have been done around him and whether or

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Speaker 17: not he was capable of harming his own children. I

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Speaker 17: do know this that he is the suspect for some

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Speaker 17: serious violent offending and he's included those children in that offending.

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Speaker 17: And no responsible father would ever put their children in

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Speaker 17: harm's way, and he did that. Back tomorrow at six

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Speaker 17: am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with Maylee's Real Estate Newstalk.

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Speaker 3: Zeb Now what the police have released today, by the way,

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Speaker 3: it's four away from five. What the police have released

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Speaker 3: today is the first photos of the camp that the family,

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Speaker 3: the Phillips family had set up in the bush. Pretty

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Speaker 3: bloody well, hadn't I Like, if you're coming at it

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Speaker 3: from the wrong angle, I imagine you'd miss it all together.

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Speaker 3: There are a couple of quad bikes that I could

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Speaker 3: see covered in sort of camouflage, netting, tires around the place,

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Speaker 3: signs of life like empty cans of sprite, empty bottle

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Speaker 3: of beer by the looks of things, cannisters of fuel,

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Speaker 3: various bittonetting and so on. We're gonna have to chat

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Speaker 3: to Richard Chambers Police Commission, who's with us straight after

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Speaker 3: five o'clock. Also the Turners ad. So somebody's finally got

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Speaker 3: the Turners ad down. They've been trying for a while.

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Speaker 3: I mean this, I don't know why, but it's really

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Speaker 3: wound the humorless up. Like I don't know why, but

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Speaker 3: the Turner's ad has really got under the skin of

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Speaker 3: some people. And finally a complaint has been upheld. So

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Speaker 3: the complainant said the ad was a disgrace to Kiwis.

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Speaker 3: In particular, they took issue with the fact that the

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Speaker 3: ad says that the cops are out looking for a

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Speaker 3: car and plying it stolen.

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Speaker 8: Woo.

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Speaker 3: Also concerns over the word shit and that the ad

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Speaker 3: was offensive to fat people. Finally, what really got them

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Speaker 3: was the burnout, and this is the thing that the

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Speaker 3: Advertising Standards Authority has upheld. The majority on the ASA

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Speaker 3: board said it was not socially responsible to condone a dangerous, illegal,

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Speaker 3: or unsafe practice by showing a car doing a burnout.

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Speaker 3: So the YouTube ad cannot be us again in its

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Speaker 3: current form. Do you know what it's an ad? I mean,

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Speaker 3: just because you see a burnout in an ad doesn't

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Speaker 3: mean a burnout's a great idea Down Victoria Street, does

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Speaker 3: it in the center of Auckland City. I don't know

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Speaker 3: where our humor is gone, but we've completely lost it

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Speaker 3: by the looks of things. Not only old mate, who

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Speaker 3: would you spend your time doing that? Didn't you have

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Speaker 3: better things to do with your time, like sit outside

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Speaker 3: in the sun and have a cup of coffee and

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Speaker 3: just chill out a little bit, But also the ASA

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Speaker 3: board bunch of old people with no sense of humor. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: We're gonna have a chat about that later on with

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Speaker 3: Photo Lang who understands all the marketing and stuff, and

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Speaker 3: he'll tell us what they're going to do now Richard

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Speaker 3: Chambers with us next?

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Speaker 2: Will you give me a home?

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Speaker 4: We can, they said, when ever facing let the past

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Speaker 4: be the paste.

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Speaker 8: Is Waver.

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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can try the truck to

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Speaker 1: ask the questions, We get the answers, find the fact

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Speaker 1: sack and give the analysis.

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Speaker 2: Hither duplicell and drive.

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Speaker 1: With One New Zealand and power of satellite Mobile Newsawsyvy afternoon.

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Speaker 3: While the children have been safely recovered from the bush,

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Speaker 3: the investigations into Tom Phillips are far from over. Police

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Speaker 3: have said they are actively hunting any of Philip Phillips's

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Speaker 3: accomplices as they try to unpack us whereabouts over the

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Speaker 3: past four years. Richard Chambers is the police commissioner.

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Speaker 12: Richard Hello, Hello Heather.

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Speaker 8: Richard.

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Speaker 3: You said today that when you went to see your

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Speaker 3: officer in hospital it was confronting.

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Speaker 12: Why, well, the extent of the injuries. Ever, you know,

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Speaker 12: we got very very close to losing one of our

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Speaker 12: colleagues yesterday morning. It's quite remarkable he's with us, and

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Speaker 12: it's even more remarkable that he's speaking and he's so

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Speaker 12: positive actually with a bit of humor. So very very confronting,

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Speaker 12: especially having just returned from Melbourne where I attended the

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Speaker 12: funeral of two Victoria police officers who were shot at

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Speaker 12: the end of August.

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Speaker 3: All right, you're going after Tom Phillips's accomplices, now, are you?

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Speaker 12: Absolutely?

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Speaker 8: We are.

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Speaker 12: So we're going to put a puzzle together. We're going

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Speaker 12: to better understand the last four years. Is anybody who

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Speaker 12: may have been helping him, supplying him with something, you know,

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Speaker 12: I mean, that's our job. We're in law enforcement. And

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Speaker 12: if somebody has contributed to the situation that we've been

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Speaker 12: dealing with, in the situation these children have been put in,

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Speaker 12: then we'll apply our effort to that and who knows

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Speaker 12: what may come of our work going forward.

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Speaker 3: Tom Phillips's parents suspects.

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Speaker 12: Look, I wouldn't comment on that, Heather. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 12: we keep an open mind. We've got a lot of

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Speaker 12: work to do. We are very very grateful to the

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Speaker 12: public for the support that they have provided us, and

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Speaker 12: that information continues to come and so yet a lot

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Speaker 12: of work to do, very very committed police officers on

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Speaker 12: this investigation and will ensure that if we identify offenses

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Speaker 12: along the way, irrespective of who they are, we will

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Speaker 12: deal with them.

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Speaker 3: How many do you think there were accomplices?

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Speaker 12: Look, I don't know. I don't know whither. We have

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Speaker 12: to keep a very open mind. And you know we're

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Speaker 12: talking about all years that have passed.

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Speaker 9: It's a long time.

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Speaker 12: It's been a very very challenging investigation. He's been committing

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Speaker 12: violent offenses unbelievably with some of his children. So you know,

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Speaker 12: it's a complex situation and you know, we've got a

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Speaker 12: fair bit of work to do before we can share

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Speaker 12: that a puzzle more publicly.

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Speaker 3: Are you going to go ahead with that documentary?

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Speaker 12: Well, you know, I mean, we get approaches all the

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Speaker 12: time from documentary makers. You know, if agreements are put

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Speaker 12: in place that we retain control over the content. So yeah,

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Speaker 12: this is no different on this occasion.

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Speaker 9: So you know, we'll give that thought going forward.

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Speaker 12: Certainly, certainly a situation that's got a lot of global interest,

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Speaker 12: that's for sure.

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Speaker 9: Richard.

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Speaker 3: How can you go ahead with the documentary? You've got

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Speaker 3: kids here who are traumatized, one of whom watched the

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Speaker 3: father being shot. And it's not to say that that

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Speaker 3: wasn't the right thing to do, but these need to

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Speaker 3: get on with their lives, and if a documentary is

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Speaker 3: published as released in years to come, it will only

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Speaker 3: retraumatize them and bring this all back up for them,

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Speaker 3: won't It will make us all bested again.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, look, yeah, correct, yeah, they look, we're very mindful

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Speaker 12: of the impact of this whole situation, and our job

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Speaker 12: is certainly to ensure the children are given the best

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Speaker 12: future that they can possibly have. So we're mindful of

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Speaker 12: all of that. And hey, look, it's like any other

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Speaker 12: occasion where we make a documentary, you always operate within

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Speaker 12: the law, and they also always take on board all

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Speaker 12: the privacy considerations. This situation is absolutely.

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Speaker 9: No different, is it.

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Speaker 3: A possibility that you may pullp in on it.

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Speaker 12: It's too early, heither to comment on at at all.

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Speaker 12: You know, I mean that the agreement in place allows

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Speaker 12: police to maintain control of any information that has the

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Speaker 12: potential to be shared. You know, we've shared a lot

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Speaker 12: in the last couple of days because that's what a

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Speaker 12: lot of the public interest in the situation as global.

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Speaker 12: So you know, we're very very mindful of the impact

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Speaker 12: of the information that we share.

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Speaker 8: So it's too early to.

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Speaker 12: Make terminations in that respect. Are you going we also

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Speaker 12: have investigations, of course, we have investigations ongoing. We have

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Speaker 12: Corona investigations, so you know, a long time ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough. Are you going to oppose that suppression

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Speaker 3: in court?

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Speaker 12: Well, look, I need to give hopefully tomorrow will give

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Speaker 12: some more thought to that, because I've got my people

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Speaker 12: thinking about that right now. But we appreciate there's tremendous

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Speaker 12: public interest in this situation, so we're very mindful of that,

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Speaker 12: and you know, the public they've got a right to

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Speaker 12: know the information frankly, whatever that may be. So but

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Speaker 12: at this point undetermined in terms of where we said

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Speaker 12: on it, we need to give that some thought.

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Speaker 3: Okay, did you in the last four years ever come

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Speaker 3: across them, or any of your officers ever come across

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Speaker 3: the slot in the bush?

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Speaker 12: Look, we've been working really, really hard for forty years,

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Speaker 12: day and night. I've been out there in the field

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Speaker 12: with my staff. I've been to their operation base. They've

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Speaker 12: put their heart and soul into this for a very

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Speaker 12: long time. We've we've used a number of tactics. We've

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Speaker 12: been over, we've been covert, we've been you know, we've

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Speaker 12: done a huge amount of work around this. So the

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Speaker 12: challenge we've had all the way along is the environment

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Speaker 12: that we're operating and a motivated, armed and dangerous person.

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Speaker 12: We're very conscious of the safety and will being of

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Speaker 12: the children. So we've had so many considerations and along

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Speaker 12: the way we've had tremendous support from the public. So

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Speaker 12: in the fullness of time, that puzzle will put together

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Speaker 12: and we'll share more of what we know in your course.

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Speaker 3: Did you come across them in four years in the bush?

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Speaker 12: Well, had we come across them in a way we

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Speaker 12: could have brought to did you come across them?

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Speaker 3: Did any of your officers come across them in the bush?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 3: No, never, once, never, in four years never once.

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Speaker 12: You know, we've had lots of information coming through. We've

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Speaker 12: obviously had images caught on since the TV. We had

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Speaker 12: all sorts of things that we've at And.

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Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not looking to impugne you guys in

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Speaker 3: any way. But there is a chap who has gone

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Speaker 3: public today with he spent about one thousand hours here

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Speaker 3: reckons that he came across them three times. Is that credible?

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Speaker 12: I don't know who that persons. But of course if

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Speaker 12: he's got information that he liked to share with the police,

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Speaker 12: then he needs to do the right thing. So that's

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Speaker 12: all I say. We've appealed for the public support all

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Speaker 12: the way along and I'm assuming he has shed whatever

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Speaker 12: information he has. If he hasn't, then I think he

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Speaker 12: should probably should.

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Speaker 3: All right, Richard, thank you very much, really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: Richard Chambers a police commissioner. Now, the suppression that I

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Speaker 3: was talking about with Richard just there is an injunction

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Speaker 3: that was filed in the High Court last night the kids.

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Speaker 3: If you remember yesterday, the kids were found around four

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Speaker 3: point thirty just after seven. Media were injuncted and prevented

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Speaker 3: from publishing certain aspects of the case, which have largely

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Speaker 3: up to now been unpublished. Police are also injuncted as

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Speaker 3: uding a tamidiki. The lawyer Linda Clarke is acting on

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Speaker 3: behalf of the Phillips family and applied for the injunction.

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Speaker 3: This will be heard again tomorrow in the High Court

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Speaker 3: in Wellington. We will be speaking to Karen Shure, the

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Speaker 3: Minister for Children in charge of ordering Atomodochy, after half

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Speaker 3: past five, and so I'll talk to her about that

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Speaker 3: as well. By the way, sorry I said tomorrow, I

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Speaker 3: mean Thursday, of course, fourteen past five. Seventeen past five. Now,

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Speaker 3: my favorite ad is the Turner's ad, but it turns

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Speaker 3: out that the Advertising Standards Authority doesn't love it quite

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Speaker 3: as much sollas your Honda runder. I mean, I am

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Speaker 3: playing this absolutely to maggle them, aren't I?

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Speaker 9: Yes, I am.

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Speaker 3: Someone's complained that the ad is a disgrace to Kiwis

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Speaker 3: for showing illegal activity, swearing and offending obese people, and

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Speaker 3: the ASA have agreed with that actually, because it's not

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Speaker 3: socially responsible to show a car doing a burnout. Todd

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Speaker 3: Hunter is the chief executive of Turner's, a Todd Hey head.

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Speaker 3: It's a bit silly, isn't it.

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Speaker 18: It's goot storm and the teacup vibes about it.

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Speaker 3: I think, yeah, doesn't it. Now what do you have

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Speaker 3: to do? Do you have to change this? You have

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Speaker 3: to take the burnout out in order to be able

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Speaker 3: to keep continue playing the ad.

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Speaker 19: Well, the TV versions of the ad have the burnout

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Speaker 19: cut out of it already, So this is just the

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Speaker 19: YouTube version of our ad that has the one second

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Speaker 19: clip of the of the burnout.

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Speaker 8: Why did you know?

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Speaker 3: Did you anticipate it was going to be a problem?

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Speaker 3: You left it out of the TV ads?

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Speaker 18: No, I think there's actually a process that you go

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Speaker 18: through to have the ad cleared before it goes on

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Speaker 18: broadcast TV and TV on demand. And the recommendation there

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Speaker 18: was to take the burnout out, and so we did.

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 18: I think they might have actually asked us to take

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Speaker 18: it out, but we didn't take it out in the

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Speaker 18: YouTube version because we thought it was kind of some

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Speaker 18: fun and kind of part of how we originally created

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Speaker 18: the ad. So yeah, the one second, the one the

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Speaker 18: one second of the of the car actually be out

883
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Speaker 18: has clearly created this problem and this one complaint. I mean,

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Speaker 18: I actually think the person who's complained, I owe them

885
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Speaker 18: a great deal of thanks for keeping Tina from Turner's

886
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Speaker 18: continually in the media.

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Speaker 3: Well, I was going to say this, right, because while

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Speaker 3: it's created extra work for you and basically you've wasted

889
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Speaker 3: your money on the burnout, it is giving you so

890
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Speaker 3: much free publicity that you can hardly be cross about this.

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Speaker 8: That's right.

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Speaker 18: And if you read through the comments on the Herald article,

893
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Speaker 18: clearly people are overwhelmingly in support of the ad and

894
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Speaker 18: support of what we're doing.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, it's all fine.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, good on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, Todd, thank you very much, appreciate it. Todd Hunter,

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Speaker 3: Turner's chief executive. We were going to speak to Bodo.

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Speaker 3: What happened Laura to Todd call in. Did Todd hear

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Speaker 3: us talking? Yeah, Todd heard we're going to talk to

901
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Speaker 3: Bodo Lang, the marketing guy, and then Todd heard us

902
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Speaker 3: talking about it, and Todd called up and was like, no,

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Speaker 3: don't talk, don't talk to Boda. I'll talk about my ad.

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Speaker 3: And then on he came. Because I'm a fan of

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Speaker 3: Todd's and Todd's is a fan of mine. Well, he's

906
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Speaker 3: a fan of Laura's work actually, because she puts the

907
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Speaker 3: phone to get the show together, so we'll give her

908
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Speaker 3: the credit for that one. Listen, Stewart, I was kind

909
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Speaker 3: of caught a little bit on the hop just before

910
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Speaker 3: because I was thinking about Stuart Nash and then the

911
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Speaker 3: ads ended and I had to suddenly recover, and why

912
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Speaker 3: I was thinking about Stuart Nash was not a good thing,

913
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Speaker 3: because Stuart has said something that I am deeply thinking

914
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Speaker 3: about whether I should play to you or not. And

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Speaker 3: in the spirit of the turn is at I think

916
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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna throw caution to the of we've been injuncted.

917
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Speaker 3: That annoyed me. Being injuncted is annoying, and then the

918
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 3: ASA has done this and that annoyed me. So I

919
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Speaker 3: think we're going to throw caution to the wind and

920
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Speaker 3: I'm going to play this to you, and then I'm

921
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Speaker 3: going to just deal with the bosses later on when

922
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Speaker 3: they come at me on that. So anyways, stand by,

923
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Speaker 3: it's going to be a minute. Well, first we're going

924
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Speaker 3: to deal with the secondary school teachers and then we're

925
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Speaker 3: gonna deal with Stuart Nash's coming up to twenty one

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Speaker 3: past five, The.

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Speaker 2: Day's newspakers talk to Heather first.

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Speaker 1: Heather Dupicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the

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Speaker 1: power of satellite mobile news.

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Speaker 3: Doorgs en behither the Turner's ad does capture us Keywis.

931
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Speaker 3: People are overreacting and all it takes is one person

932
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Speaker 3: to make noise. Yet one person who went and watched

933
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Speaker 3: it on, not even being forced to watch it on

934
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Speaker 3: Talley went and dug it out on the YouTube. Honestly,

935
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Speaker 3: settle down. Five twenty three. Now we've got to talk

936
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Speaker 3: about the secondary school teachers and their pay off a rejection. Now,

937
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Speaker 3: secondary school teachers should never fall into the trap of

938
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Speaker 3: believing that they are like nurses when it comes to

939
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Speaker 3: pay disputes, and that the public will show the same

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Speaker 3: level of tolerance for their strikes and pay disputes that

941
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Speaker 3: we have done with the nurses, because they're not the same.

942
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Speaker 3: I have respect for secondary school teachers. I know many

943
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Speaker 3: who do incredible jobs and jobs that are challenging in

944
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Speaker 3: the hours that they are actually in the classroom. But

945
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Speaker 3: it is a different ballgame with nurses. And nurses can

946
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Speaker 3: strike and they can battle the government for better pay

947
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Speaker 3: a lot longer because we know they work weird hours

948
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Speaker 3: and they save people's lives and they clean up people's messes,

949
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Speaker 3: and we see them when we're in hospital with our kids,

950
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Speaker 3: running from one thing to the other without a break. Teachers,

951
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry to have to be blunt here, have pretty

952
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Speaker 3: cruisy hours. Absolutely, some of the jobs are really bloody hard.

953
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Speaker 3: Kids are tough, and a classroom of kids is a

954
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Speaker 3: lot of tough, right, But those hours that they work

955
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Speaker 3: are the envy of many people. Fourteen weeks a year

956
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Speaker 3: of not having classes, fourteen weeks a year of not

957
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Speaker 3: having classes is the envy of most working people. And

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Speaker 3: I do not think that the secondary school teachers do

959
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Speaker 3: themselves any good by opposing the Education Ministr's attempts to

960
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Speaker 3: get them back at school for just a little bit longer.

961
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Speaker 3: So what's going on is it's the callback days that

962
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Speaker 3: they're fighting about. These are days when teachers are expected

963
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Speaker 3: to come back to school during school holidays to get

964
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Speaker 3: professional development. They have ten callback days at the moment

965
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Speaker 3: the government wants to increase it to eighteen. These are

966
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Speaker 3: days that they are paid to work. By the way,

967
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Speaker 3: They're not being asked to come in on their own time, right,

968
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Speaker 3: these are paid days they're being asked to come to school.

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Speaker 3: The point of it, I think is probably to use

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Speaker 3: these these days in school holidays for professional development and

971
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Speaker 3: get rid of the teachers only days during term so

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Speaker 3: that the kids actually get taught during term. Now, even

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Speaker 3: if all of these eighteen days are used and they

974
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Speaker 3: won't be, that's not even four weeks. It still leaves

975
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Speaker 3: teachers ten weeks a year of school holiday time which

976
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Speaker 3: they can use however they choose to use it. Some

977
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Speaker 3: will use it for work, some will use it for

978
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Speaker 3: not work whatever. Now I say this with respect for

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Speaker 3: secondary school teachers. Refusing to come to work on days

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Speaker 3: that you're paid to work is really not a great look, guys.

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Speaker 2: Togever do for ce ellens.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So Stuart Nash was asked what is a woman?

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Speaker 3: Which is like the bent of certain media, right, certain

984
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Speaker 3: media who sit a little on the right and get

985
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 3: really caught up in the culture. Was that's still going

986
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Speaker 3: on about this stuff. And they asked Stuart Nash what

987
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Speaker 3: is a woman?

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Speaker 4: And he said a woman is a person with a sperit.

989
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Speaker 3: So a woman is a person with a beep and

990
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Speaker 3: a pair of beep.

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Speaker 8: A woman is a person with a spirit.

992
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Speaker 3: Now Stuart's wife is cross. Stewart's wife doesn't need this

993
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Speaker 3: she doesn't need this. She's already done like how many

994
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 3: years with him in politics, just you know, not being there,

995
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Speaker 3: being absent, going to the gym, building his muscles, doing

996
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 3: weird Instagram. But now he's flirting with Winston. She didn't

997
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 3: need this as well, So she's cross with him about this,

998
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 3: like a cross enough for him to then call the

999
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Speaker 3: media oul and be like, listen, can you please take

1000
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Speaker 3: that out of the interview because my wife has cross

1001
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Speaker 3: with me and they haven't. They haven't. Now, I don't

1002
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Speaker 3: know if this is a good thing for I mean,

1003
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Speaker 3: it's better than the Chippy situation, isn't it, Because Chippy

1004
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 3: doesn't actually know what a woman is and can't answer

1005
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Speaker 3: the question because he's too bloody busy trying to appease

1006
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Speaker 3: the like whoo lefties in the Labor Party, which it

1007
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 3: appears as the majority of them nowadays. So at least

1008
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Speaker 3: at least Stewart knows what a woman is. But m

1009
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Speaker 3: it's a little let's just say that this level of

1010
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,320
Speaker 3: crassness would not go down well with both of his girlfriends,

1011
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 3: his wife and Winston Peters. Anyway, we'll put this to

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00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 3: the huddle later on. Karen Sure, Minister for children.

1013
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Speaker 8: Is with us.

1014
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: Next the name you trusted to get the answers you need,

1015
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: it's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage

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Speaker 1: like no one else use talks.

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Speaker 8: They'd be.

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00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 3: Heather Stuart Nash would get my vote. Huddler is standing

1019
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 3: by e. They're going to be with us very shortly

1020
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 3: and after six o'clock we're going to get a guy

1021
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 3: who's done a podcast on the Murdocks to have a

1022
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 3: chat to us about the deal that's just been struck.

1023
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Speaker 3: While it was kind of struck really in the last

1024
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 3: twenty four hours or so, that basically gives control of

1025
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Speaker 3: all the companies to Lachlan Murdoch right now, it's twenty

1026
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 3: five away from six. Now, after four years in the

1027
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 3: care of their father, Tom Phillips's children are now in

1028
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Speaker 3: the care of ordering A Tamadiki Ordunger Tamidike's White Cuttle

1029
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Speaker 3: Regional Commissioner Comorta, who gave an update on their situation today.

1030
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Speaker 20: I want to assure the community here in Waikattle and

1031
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 20: also the White the public of New Zealand that my

1032
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 20: team in this region have been planning and preparing for

1033
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 20: the return of these Tominiki from when they went missing.

1034
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Speaker 3: Karen Sure is the Children's Minister and with us right now. Ha,

1035
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 3: Karen Hey, thanks for having me, Karen, thank you for

1036
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 3: joining us. How are the kids? They are they doing

1037
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 3: things that you would expect kids of their age to

1038
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 3: be doing.

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00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 21: Look, I'm not actually on site and haven't seen or

1040
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 21: spoken to these children, but my understanding is they're doing

1041
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 21: well under the circumstances. We have staff that are currently

1042
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 21: supporting them and making sure that they're getting everything they

1043
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 21: need at this stage, and making a plan of what

1044
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 21: to do moving forward.

1045
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 3: How do you have any idea yet when it is

1046
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 3: that they will be allowed to see their mother and

1047
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 3: siblings and grandparents.

1048
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 21: So I'm going to be very careful because I'm constrained

1049
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 21: by the of information I can share, But what I

1050
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 21: would say is the Family Court are actively managing this

1051
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 21: case now, and we as an organization and as government,

1052
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Speaker 21: will comply with whatever directions the Family Court give us.

1053
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 21: But this will not stop us from making sure that

1054
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Speaker 21: across the children's system that we put in places at

1055
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Speaker 21: the supports that these kids need for as long as

1056
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Speaker 21: they need.

1057
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Speaker 3: Do you imagine that there will be a custody battle

1058
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 3: is that a possibility.

1059
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Speaker 21: I mean, anything's a possibility. I can't control what people

1060
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Speaker 21: will do in the future when it comes to custody disputes.

1061
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Speaker 21: But what I would say is our focus needs to

1062
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Speaker 21: be on the healing of these kids, their safety and

1063
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Speaker 21: their well being, and making the right decision for the children,

1064
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Speaker 21: not the organizations or the adults.

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Speaker 3: Will you impose the will you oppose the injunction and

1066
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Speaker 3: caught on Thursday?

1067
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Speaker 21: Look, that's something that I can't really comment to, But

1068
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Speaker 21: what I would say is, once I can share the information,

1069
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 21: I'll be happy to come back and have another conversation.

1070
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Speaker 3: Okay, Obviously, the best thing for these children is that

1071
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 3: we the rest of us in the public kind of

1072
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 3: lose an interest in them and just allow them to

1073
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 3: get on with growing up and healing up. How do

1074
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 3: you rate the chances that we can actually do that?

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00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 21: Look, I mean, we have to make sure that that

1076
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 21: these young people are at the forefront of our minds.

1077
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Speaker 21: We have been as an organization or Dungu Tamadaki has

1078
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Speaker 21: been working on a plan since since the day they disappeared.

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Speaker 21: That plan may have to change depending on the circumstances

1080
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Speaker 21: of the young people. Once we have a conversation and

1081
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 21: assess what their needs are. But we are joined up

1082
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Speaker 21: with all agencies across the children's system to make sure

1083
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 21: that they're not forgotten and that they are given the

1084
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Speaker 21: care that they need, and they're going to need a

1085
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Speaker 21: lot of care.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to talk to the huddle about this

1087
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Speaker 3: and just a text or what you'll take on it.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that that documentary that the police are

1089
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Speaker 3: facilitating should go to air?

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Speaker 21: I'm unsure of what you're speaking to right now. My apologies,

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Speaker 21: I don't know what documentary your speech.

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Speaker 3: There is a documentary being made by Julia Christi which

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00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 3: has behind the scenes access of the search and has

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Speaker 3: presumably been filmed for some time now. The concern that

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Speaker 3: I have about it is the interest that we have

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Speaker 3: at the moment is fair enough. But for a documentary

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Speaker 3: to pop up in a couple of years, five years,

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Speaker 3: ten years, and to reach this all up again does

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Speaker 3: not feel to me to be the best thing in

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Speaker 3: the interests of the children.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, I wouldn't think so ever. I think when it

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Speaker 21: needs to be taken into account the mental well being

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Speaker 21: also of these young people, and this is going to

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Speaker 21: be an ongoing issue for them for many years to come,

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Speaker 21: and I would hope that anybody that's putting a documentary

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Speaker 21: of that coin out would take these children's views into consideration.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Karen, listen, Thanks very much and we may talk

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Speaker 3: to you again in the near future. Karen's your Children's minister.

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Speaker 3: Twenty away from six with.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand Southeby's International Realty find your one of the

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Speaker 2: kind on the handle of us.

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Speaker 3: This evening we have Gareth Hugh's director of the Well

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00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 3: Being Economy Alliance out at All, former Green MP of course,

1114
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 3: and Jordan Williams Taxpayers Union Hire you too. Gareth thoughts

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00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 3: on the documentary.

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Speaker 22: Oh, look, if you are making a documentary to raise

1117
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 22: profile while these kids were still stuck in the bush

1118
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 22: with their father, I think that's probably a good thing

1119
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 22: to do. But now they've been found safe, you know,

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Speaker 22: I think their right to privacy is probably the most

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00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 22: important thing, so that we won't be able to control

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Speaker 22: the netflixes or the Disney channels of the world. I

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00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 22: understand why there's interested in making a story, but look,

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Speaker 22: I hope New Zealand's not making a story which is

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Speaker 22: all about trying to, you know, just sell tickets. Basically

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00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 22: will sensationalize. What I prefer is the kids, you know,

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Speaker 22: just we're able to get on with your life.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Jordan, I agree, I think that, especially as things

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00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 4: have unfolded that and of course, you know, even when

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Speaker 4: assuming suppression is lifted on this one, Daud, I just

1131
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 4: I think it's it's just it's awful. Why would you

1132
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 4: go there? It might have been started with the best

1133
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 4: of intentions, and I'm sure that someone's going to be

1134
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 4: seriously out of pocket, but actually who cares, you know,

1135
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 4: there's not in the public interest.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think I mean, Gareth, do you think

1137
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 3: it is possible for us to kind of back off

1138
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 3: as a society and let them kind of get on

1139
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Speaker 3: with it as much as possible and not remind them

1140
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Speaker 3: of what they've gone through.

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Speaker 22: I hope so. And you know, I've worked a lot

1142
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Speaker 22: with people in the media in New Zealand and I've

1143
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 22: got a lot of time for them. There's a lot

1144
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Speaker 22: of really good people doing the work here in New Zealand.

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Speaker 22: So look, I've got confidence and in a lot of

1146
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Speaker 22: the New Zealand media, less so the international ones. Obviously,

1147
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 22: you know, this has gone at international attention and I

1148
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 22: can easily imagine, you know, documentary being made on one

1149
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 22: of the big channels. But look, my message to the

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00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 22: media is like, please diffect them the children's inter us

1151
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Speaker 22: rather than chasing dollars.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, Jordan, I'll tell you. What I'm

1153
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 3: surprised by is the ongoing support and I'm getting it

1154
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 3: even now on the on the text, ongoing support for

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Speaker 3: Tom Phillips, as if he's some sort of a good

1156
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 3: guy doing the right thing by his kids.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's what suppression does I mean? And it's not

1158
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 4: a sign of weakness. It's actually the sign of an

1159
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 4: organization with a healthy dynamic. There's quite I see on

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Speaker 4: the board of the Free Speech Union, and there is

1161
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 4: a healthy debate going on between the lawyers, both the

1162
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Speaker 4: advisory board and on the board about the role of suppression.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not going to, you know, obviously break any

1164
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Speaker 4: of that, but of course in the vacuum you do

1165
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Speaker 4: get misperceptions that are that.

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Speaker 2: Arise.

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Speaker 4: I must have met on this one. I'm really quite torn.

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Speaker 4: But it's notwithstanding a view on the documentary, and I

1169
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Speaker 4: don't think we should gouge on it. I do think

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Speaker 4: that it is pretty outrageous that was very clearly such

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Speaker 4: a significant case. You have lawyers saying we can know

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Speaker 4: that you can't, as particularly led by a lawyer who's

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Speaker 4: on the board of our state broadcaster. I consider that

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Speaker 4: just actually that is.

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Speaker 3: Such an interesting point, do you think, I mean it

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00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 3: getting is it getting weirdly conflicted for Linda Clark to

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Speaker 3: be injuncting the media when she is the board member

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Speaker 3: of the.

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Speaker 4: First time, not for the you know, I mean, should

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Speaker 4: they active for mc skimmings?

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Speaker 3: And I mean, how do you that's right superjunction to

1182
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Speaker 3: protect to prevent us from knowing anything about jive.

1183
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 4: And it was a super injunction you couldn't it was

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Speaker 4: illegal to even that really drove me up the wall

1185
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 4: that you that, as a free speech advocate you couldn't

1186
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Speaker 4: even tell people and injunction existed because that was and

1187
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Speaker 4: I'd love to know how common that is in New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: But as I say, reason why, it's them different on cases.

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Speaker 4: But media should be pretty pure on this. I mean,

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Speaker 4: at the end of May are actually pretty good on it.

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00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 4: But to have a board member being being continually in

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Speaker 4: court arguing for secrecy, I think is just such a.

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Speaker 3: Now, Gareth, are you on the side of turners. Are

1194
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Speaker 3: you or are you on the side of old mate

1195
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 3: who complained about the burnout?

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Speaker 22: Well as a sort of former boy racer from Gisborne

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Speaker 22: who used to drove a low car with mag wheels,

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Speaker 22: I'm probably on the other side of the argument. Look,

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Speaker 22: I mean, there's probably more important things to be talking

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Speaker 22: about in the state of the world today. But look,

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Speaker 22: this was a one second clip of the burnout and

1202
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 22: a pretty funny, lighthearted video. But ultimately, you know, this

1203
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 22: wasn't a decision to me. This was a decision for

1204
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 22: the advertising.

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Speaker 3: And they clearly have. Gareth, what kind of car did

1206
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Speaker 3: you drive?

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Speaker 22: I had a Mark one Ford Escort.

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Speaker 3: Oh what color?

1209
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:37,439
Speaker 22: Beautiful red?

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00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:37,919
Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Did you do burnouts?

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Speaker 4: I didn't.

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Speaker 22: Actually, I'm such a cheapskate, you know. I'd rather keep

1214
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Speaker 22: the rubber of my expensive tires on the car the road.

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Speaker 3: This is not at all what I expected from you.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to take a break. I want to know

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Speaker 3: what you think when we come back. Jordan sixteen away from.

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Speaker 1: Six the Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the

1219
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: global leader in luxury real estate.

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Speaker 3: You're back of the huddle, Gareth Hughes and Jordan Williams gone. Then, Jordan,

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Speaker 3: what do you think of the Turner's ad?

1222
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 4: I think the Advertising Standards Authority is quite out of touch,

1223
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 4: you know, how can it be? What is literally New

1224
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 4: Zealand's favorite advertising character is offensive to the reasonable person

1225
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 4: or clearly not. The other interesting thing is is it

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Speaker 4: was a YouTube ad only, which resembly means that it's

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Speaker 4: been quite targeted at a younger you know, the people

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Speaker 4: that you know that the nature of some experience in marketing,

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00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 4: the nature of a good marketing spend as you're reaching

1230
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Speaker 4: the right person, So the ad would be targeting the

1231
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 4: younger demographic for which that ad would work, and you

1232
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Speaker 4: get these ASA fogures. I appreciate it's industry lead, but

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Speaker 4: in my experience with the ASA, they are frankly out

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00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 4: of touch. They're pretty politicized, as I say, in having

1235
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Speaker 4: had clients put in front of them, and I just

1236
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 4: think this was just yet another one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and have you got any secret boy racer history

1238
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 3: you need to disclose here?

1239
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 4: Not that willing to describe to the country. I've had

1240
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 4: a prime error in the Senate when I was at

1241
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 4: high school, and I was pretty proud of it with

1242
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Speaker 4: my paid for with my McDonald's job.

1243
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Speaker 3: Oh, did you have a McDonald's. I had a McDonald's job,

1244
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Speaker 3: but I didn't.

1245
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Speaker 8: I didn't.

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Speaker 4: I think you'd be more McCafe, wouldn't you.

1247
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 3: No, I love the drive through because there was an

1248
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 3: efficiency that you needed, you needed.

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Speaker 12: I think your other panelis might have had some experience.

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Speaker 3: Gareth, we've discussed this you.

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00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 22: I've been arrested addresses Ronald McDonald infamously. But on my

1252
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 22: fifteenth birthday I got my driver's license, so I in

1253
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 22: the first place, I went with the McDonald's drive through.

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Speaker 3: Yes, of course you did, because McDonald's is always a

1255
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 3: lovely treat when you make bad decisions as a young person. Now, Gareth,

1256
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 3: do you think that MPs should be able to hold

1257
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 3: because there's once again we're having this debate about whether

1258
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 3: mp should be able to hold shares or should force

1259
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 3: should be forced to divest. What do you think?

1260
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Speaker 23: Oh?

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00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 22: I think if the voting or regulating or involved in

1262
00:59:56,360 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 22: making decisions on something they've got a direct commercial interest, yeah,

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01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 22: they should divest it. We've got rules for ministers and

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Speaker 22: I agree with the professor from way Katow, Professor McCauley

1265
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Speaker 22: who's suggesting why don't we broaden it out to MPs

1266
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 22: as well. Look, I think the bigger issue that's sort

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01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 22: of what the pecuniary interests of our politicians discloses, just

1268
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 22: how many of them are invested in housing. I think

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01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 22: it tells you so much about the state of our economy,

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01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 22: or which has been described as an economy sorry, a

1271
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 22: housing market with a bit of an economy tagged on.

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Speaker 22: Where you know people in power are interesting their money.

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01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 22: And I think the second thing we need to be

1274
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 22: really focusing on as well as the donations that go

1275
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Speaker 22: to politicians. I don't think politicians should be receiving donations

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01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 22: when they're directly regulating the very contrast or industry donating

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Speaker 22: the money.

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Speaker 4: Go Dan, I heard that's go for he wants text

1279
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Speaker 4: by funding of political parties. No, I'm pretty suspicious of

1280
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 4: looking for interests, but I do think in this instance

1281
01:00:56,040 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 4: is the risk of jumping at shadows. A regular decision

1282
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 4: by the minister is a bit different than sort of

1283
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 4: voting on general legislation, and it seems that even the

1284
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 4: sort of the most remote interest has now jumped upon.

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Speaker 4: So basically the argument is we only want losers, sorry

1286
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 4: people that either don't have significant investments or are willing

1287
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 4: to really take the heed or give them up as

1288
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 4: them as of Parliament. Look, we all know here that

1289
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 4: the caliber of people putting themselves forward to public office

1290
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 4: is to significantly decreased over time. And the big reason

1291
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Speaker 4: that it's cited is this sort of thing.

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Speaker 8: I not as I say.

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Speaker 4: On the other hand, the public is right to be suspicious. Heck,

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Speaker 4: I run the taxpayers Union. You know, we point out

1295
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 4: conflicts all the time, but there is there is a

1296
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 4: difference between something very minor and remote and actually a

1297
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 4: real conflict.

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Speaker 22: But we do have a real issue right which is

1299
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 22: public trust is dropping two thirds of key. We think

1300
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 22: the economy is rigged for the rich and powerful. This

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01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 22: has an impact on how people trust politicians. And look

1302
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 22: at politicians put there. You know, she is in a

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01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 22: blind trust while they're there for you know, three sects

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Speaker 22: or whatever many years. It's not a bigger position for

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Speaker 22: what should be the greater public interest.

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Speaker 3: Are you garis going to go and see the Justinda documentary.

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Speaker 22: Oh of course she was a great prime minister.

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Speaker 8: Oh no, stop it, no, no, don't do that.

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Speaker 3: You're doing that on purpose. You're doing that on purpose.

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Speaker 22: Just give it a great tragic I would go to

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Speaker 22: a documentary about Arnold Nordemaier. I'd love New Zealand politics

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Speaker 22: and we'll always see it. Look, I think she was

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Speaker 22: one of the better prime ministers we've had in recent years.

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Speaker 13: She wasn't.

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Speaker 22: She didn't do everything right and from my perspective, wasn't

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Speaker 22: a progressively transformation.

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Speaker 16: Oh no, that's garth.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to hang up on you in a military

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Speaker 3: Well no, lord, imagine if she was more progressively transformational. Lord, Jordan,

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Speaker 3: are you going to go see it?

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Speaker 4: I'm sure in died Me has an employee assistance program

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Speaker 4: for your run.

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Speaker 3: Get my three counseling sessions and use them up on

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Speaker 3: talking about just cinder. It's not a bad idea. Actually, anyway,

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Speaker 3: do you want to go see it with me? Jo,

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Speaker 3: because we can console each other.

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Speaker 12: For me?

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Speaker 4: Oh do you think so?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Problem, I don't think.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I won't understand anything. Yeah, thank you, I'm told

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Speaker 3: which one didn't.

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Speaker 4: You're down to movies out on top.

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Speaker 3: Bit of time? Yeah, thanks very much. Guys appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Jordan Williams, Gareth Hughes Eight Away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the heather duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Heart Radio powered by News Talk ZBI.

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Speaker 3: Here the teachers don't get fourteen weeks of holiday. They

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Speaker 3: get twelve three two week breaks during the year and

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Speaker 3: a six weeks summer breaking. What often gets overlooked as

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Speaker 3: that evenings and weekends are already sacrificed for planning, marking,

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Speaker 3: and preparation. Well, that's pretty much everybody's professional job, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you don't just work when you're in the office. Okay,

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Speaker 3: so I have brilliant news. Do you remember the absolute

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Speaker 3: kerfuffle that we kicked up over the marshmallows in the

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Speaker 3: cafeterias in hospitals? Some would say, some would say an

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Speaker 3: overreaction on my part, especially when I was getting really

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Speaker 3: up to set about them cutting the meat off the fat.

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Speaker 3: Some would say I might have just gone overboard. I've

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Speaker 3: got good news for you. That's it worked. The marshmallows

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Speaker 3: are back. National Public Service National Director. It's just a

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Speaker 3: terrible title, isn't it. National Public Service National Director. Doctor

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Speaker 3: Nick Chamberlain, who, by the way, is national. Did you

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Speaker 3: get that the first time around? There's some national stuff

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Speaker 3: going on in his job. He has said that howth

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Speaker 3: New Zealand has reviewed the hot Drink criteria and made

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Speaker 3: some changes to shift to items such as marshmallows and

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Speaker 3: drink syrups from the red to amber rating, which in

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Speaker 3: a nutshell means they're going to be available on request.

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Speaker 3: We will continue to monitor feedback and consider what further

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Speaker 3: changes are required. Just bring it all back. Stop controlling

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Speaker 3: people's lives. Now, we might get a new type of

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Speaker 3: iPhone overnight. I tell you this because literally everybody's got

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Speaker 3: an iPhone. It would appear, well, there are a smattering

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Speaker 3: of people who don't, but everybody else has got on

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Speaker 3: their iphonees. So we're all slightly interested in this that

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Speaker 3: they do this. You know, Apple do this annual product

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Speaker 3: launch event. Are they going to do it tonight? And

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Speaker 3: they're going to launch the iPhone seventeen and they're going

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Speaker 3: to launch the Apple Watch. But they are also going

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Speaker 3: to launch the iPhone Air. It's being reported now the

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Speaker 3: iPhone Air is a departure from what they've been doing

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Speaker 3: up to now. It's a skinnier, it's it's going to

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Speaker 3: be apparently there can five point five millimeters thick, so

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Speaker 3: really small, and it'll be the first time since twenty

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Speaker 3: seventeen that they've actually dramatically changed the way they've done

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Speaker 3: the Apple Phone. Twenty seventeen is when they got rid

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Speaker 3: of the home button and put the face recognition thing on,

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Speaker 3: and that's since then. This is the first time it's

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Speaker 3: going to change in a big way, so keep an

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Speaker 3: eye out for that. We're going to talk about succession next,

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Speaker 3: about Murden Murdoch, Lachlan taking over it, the whole thing,

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Speaker 3: stand by Newstalk ZB.

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Speaker 24: Whatever's fuck, what's down?

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Speaker 1: What with a major course and how will it affect

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Speaker 1: the economy, The big business questions on the Business Hour

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Speaker 1: with Heather duplessy Ellen and maz for insurance Investments and

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Speaker 1: Killie Saber cur in Good Hands News Talks v even in.

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Speaker 3: Coming up in the next hour, we're going to speak

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Speaker 3: to Chartered Accountants New Zealand on whether it's wise that

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Speaker 3: one third of us are getting our investment advice from AI,

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Speaker 3: Jamie McKay on the drop off in food wastage and

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Speaker 3: Enda Brady is out of the UK for us at

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Speaker 3: eight past six. Now, after years of a legal battle,

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Speaker 3: the Murdoch family has settled the succession question. Lachlan Murdock

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Speaker 3: is the winner, he will control his father's media group.

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Speaker 3: The family have struck an agreement. Lachland controls a new trust.

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Speaker 3: His siblings, pre Elizabeth and James will cease being beneficiaries

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Speaker 3: of any trust with shares in Fox or News Call,

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Speaker 3: which means the conservative slant of Fox News, the Wall

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Speaker 3: Street Journal, and The New York Post are guaranteed. Paddy

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Speaker 3: Manning has authored books and hosted a podcast on the

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Speaker 3: Murdoch dynasty. Hi, Paddy, Hi, hather Right, what do we

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Speaker 3: know about the deal?

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Speaker 25: It's an extraordinary deal. In fact, three point three billion

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Speaker 25: dollars US. The three disaffected siblings, James, Elizabeth and Prue

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Speaker 25: will walk away from the Murdock media empire altogether and

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Speaker 25: agree under a stand still commitment that they will not

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Speaker 25: have any further involvement in either Fox or News corporation.

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Speaker 25: And now I think that that is a that is

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Speaker 25: definitely a final outcome to the succession question that swelled

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Speaker 25: around the Murdoch family for almost.

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Speaker 2: Three three decades.

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Speaker 25: You know which of Ripert Murdock's children would get final,

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Speaker 25: unassailable control of the business. Lachlan is the successor. But

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Speaker 25: it's an interesting question how the.

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Speaker 2: Deal is structured and we're waiting.

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Speaker 25: We haven't got full financial disclosure on this, but it

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Speaker 25: seems that there is. Lochlan Medock has decided to take

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Speaker 25: a little bit of a risk that the combined Murdoch

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Speaker 25: family holding. A lot of these shares are being sold

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Speaker 25: to the public. So it's not the case that Lachlan

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Speaker 25: is buying out his siblings. He's engineered to buy out,

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Speaker 25: but it's not with his own money. Some of it

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Speaker 25: is his money, but a good chunk of it is

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Speaker 25: coming from the public buying this shareholding.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting now this has been dragging on for such

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Speaker 3: a long time. So what do you think it was

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Speaker 3: in the end that managed to get them to let

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Speaker 3: go of the company? Was it just the scale of

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Speaker 3: the payout?

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Speaker 25: I think that the price was part of the sticking

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Speaker 25: you know, part of the sticking point in the negotiations

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Speaker 25: was the price. And what what that means is that

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Speaker 25: there had been previous offers by There had been previous

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Speaker 25: offers by Lochan Medoc to buy out his siblings. In

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Speaker 25: particular James, the most vocal critic of the Fox and

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Speaker 25: News businesses, to buy out his you know, buy him

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Speaker 25: out at fifty percent of the market value of the holding,

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Speaker 25: for example, or and then it was increased of sixty percent. Now,

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Speaker 25: what we've seen with this deal is that James, Liz

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Speaker 25: and Prue have got eighty percent of the market value

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Speaker 25: of their shareholding held in the Murdock Family Trust with

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Speaker 25: this three point three billion dollar deal. And Lachlan, you know,

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Speaker 25: I think will feel that that is, you know, that's

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Speaker 25: a good outcome.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Now, Patty, obviously difficult to be running a media

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Speaker 3: company in the twenty first century, right, things have changed

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Speaker 3: quite a lot recently. Do you think Lachlan has got

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Speaker 3: Is he going to change things up significantly?

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Speaker 2: I don't think so.

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Speaker 25: I think it's a status quo outcome for now. I

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Speaker 25: think there are steps that he has previously signaled he

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Speaker 25: would like to take, like putting Fox and News back together.

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Speaker 25: They were split in the wake of the phone acting scandal.

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Speaker 25: But I think he will want to He will want

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Speaker 25: to recombine them, and he signaled that in the past,

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Speaker 25: and it was scotch. That's the kind of deal he

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Speaker 25: wanted to do. But it was scotch by opposition, partly

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Speaker 25: from James as a beneficiary of the Murdoch Family Trust.

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Speaker 25: And that's the kind of deal that he will be

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Speaker 25: able to do now without any challenge.

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Speaker 3: Patty, thank you for talking us through at Patty Manning,

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Speaker 3: author of minibooks and podcast, also host of a podcast

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Speaker 3: on the Murdoch Dynasty.

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Speaker 2: Heather duper c LA TVNZ has been.

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Speaker 3: In touch to clarify that Linda Clark is not on

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Speaker 3: the board anymore. She left in June. She was not reappointed.

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Speaker 3: Kind of passed me by, and it appears to have

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Speaker 3: passed most of us by because remember she left. She

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Speaker 3: took a leave in May because she was acting for

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Speaker 3: jivim mcskimming. Remember that she was acting for gim MC skimming.

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Speaker 3: And then she took the superinjunction to try to stop

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Speaker 3: the media from publishing the nature of the porn charges

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Speaker 3: that he was facing and blah blah blah. And so

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Speaker 3: then yeah, while she was on leave, just not reappointed

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Speaker 3: and given the given the line of work, probably a

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Speaker 3: smart idea. Now it looks like there's a possibility, I

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Speaker 3: mean we always say this, but it looks like there's

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Speaker 3: maybe a possibility that Banksy might have their identity revealed.

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Speaker 3: This is because of Banksy's new mural, which has not

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Speaker 3: gone down well with the authorities. In the UK. Banksy

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Speaker 3: has done a stencil on the side of the Royal

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Speaker 3: Courts of Justice in London showing a protest on the

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Speaker 3: ground and sort of you know, arms in the arms

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Speaker 3: up in the air defending themselves are being smashed by

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Speaker 3: a judge with a gavel. A police investigation has been

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Speaker 3: launched into it. They don't because they don't. It's potential

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Speaker 3: criminal damage, they say, And of course what that means

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Speaker 3: is if the police do decide to press charges, then

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Speaker 3: banks he would be required to publicly disclose his name

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Speaker 3: if he was brought if it was brought to court.

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Speaker 3: The artwork has been covered up. It's going to be removed.

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Speaker 3: They have covered up. It's quite ironic though, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Here They are always happy to celebrate a piece of

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Speaker 3: banks the art and make a big song and dance

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Speaker 3: about it. But when it's on the side of the judges,

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Speaker 3: on the side of the courthouse and they don't like

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Speaker 3: the look of it, cover that up real quick. Smart

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Speaker 3: thirteen past six.

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Speaker 3: I appreciated that Audrey Young has made has weighed into

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Speaker 3: this business about whether Chris Luxon should be rolled. I'm

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Speaker 3: going to read you that shortly, or at least that

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Speaker 3: the relevant bits from her column this morning shortly sixteen

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Speaker 3: past six.

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Speaker 3: How's it looking for sheep and beef?

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Speaker 8: Pretty good?

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01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 26: Actually, Beef and lamb New Zealand have come out with

1519
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:51,679
Speaker 26: their new season outlook, and even despite Trump's tariffs, robust

1520
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 26: international demand from the likes of the US, they're still

1521
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 26: eating as many burgers as we can poke their way.

1522
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 26: Europe and the UK, especially with those FTAs, are going

1523
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 26: really well for US and even despite falling stock numbers

1524
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 26: and lower export volumes, red meat exports are expected to

1525
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 26: rise by one point four billion dollars to ten point

1526
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:15,679
Speaker 26: five billion all up for the twenty four twenty five season.

1527
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:19,639
Speaker 26: We're also being helped by lower forecast sheep exports out

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01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 26: of Australia, one of our main competitors. When it comes

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01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 26: to profitability, these are interesting numbers. Twenty three to twenty four,

1530
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 26: the season before the one we've just been in was

1531
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 26: one of the toughest since the GFC.

1532
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 23: Listen to this.

1533
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:35,760
Speaker 26: Your average sheep farmer made a profit before tax, and

1534
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 26: they wouldn't have been paying much tax on this profit

1535
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 26: of nineteen thousand dollars. Forty percent the sheep and bee

1536
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 26: farms were running at a loss. Well, that's turned around

1537
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 26: dramatically in twenty four to twenty five, the season we're

1538
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 26: just about to finish, average profitability one hundred and thirty

1539
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 26: eight thousand, six hundred. Next season it's forecast to go

1540
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 26: to one hundred and sixty six thousand, five hundred.

1541
01:13:57,479 --> 01:13:59,480
Speaker 6: Minds you, you've got several million.

1542
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 26: Dollars in many is invested in these properties, so you

1543
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 26: would need a return of that or better. Perhaps the

1544
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 26: interesting point Kate Acklin made when she was chatting to

1545
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,879
Speaker 26: meet today on my show. All season average lamb prices

1546
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:15,639
Speaker 26: forecast to be one hundred and eighty dollars, beef two

1547
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:19,440
Speaker 26: thousand dollars, Heather, that's why your steaks are so expensive.

1548
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:22,759
Speaker 3: And now talk to me about the food wastage because

1549
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 3: the steaks are so expensive, so we waste less of them.

1550
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 26: Well, I wouldn't waste any of my steak I found

1551
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 26: as well.

1552
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 8: Good.

1553
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, should.

1554
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 26: Well absolutely Look Rabobank. They've moved the survey to every

1555
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:39,759
Speaker 26: two years now with the food charity Key We Harvest,

1556
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 26: and they're saying, I mean, the food waste numbers are

1557
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 26: still pretty bad when you think about it. We're only

1558
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 26: wasting ten point nine percent of our food now, that's

1559
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 26: a drop from twelve point two percent and twenty twenty three.

1560
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 26: That equates to three billion dollars per annum we're wasting

1561
01:14:55,960 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 26: and food. Interestingly, the latest survey found that the average

1562
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 26: household food spend and this shows you just how tired

1563
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 26: it is for some families was only two dollars more

1564
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 26: than it was in twenty twenty three, and we've had

1565
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 26: quite huge food inflation since then, so effectively households are

1566
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 26: having to cut back on the amount of food they buy.

1567
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 26: What really interested me, Heather, is when you look at

1568
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 26: the age demographics gen Z, that's the nineteen ninety seven

1569
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:30,679
Speaker 26: onwards residents, they wasted seventeen point eight percent of their food,

1570
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 26: but back in twenty twenty two, they wasted twenty eight

1571
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 26: point two.

1572
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:34,679
Speaker 8: Percent of their food.

1573
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 26: It gets better as you go through the generations. The

1574
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 26: baby boomers, of course, Heather, the lucky generation leading the charge.

1575
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:44,599
Speaker 26: They're only wasting six point eight percent of their food.

1576
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 26: And then when you'd split it between males and females,

1577
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 26: not surprisingly males waste more than females, and not surprisingly

1578
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 26: urban dwellers And I'll get told off by city friends

1579
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:58,599
Speaker 26: for this one. Urban dwellers waste more than their frugal

1580
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 26: rural counterpears and Duela's twelve point four percent of their food.

1581
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 26: That's you, Heather, people from a farm like me, seven

1582
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 26: point eight percent.

1583
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 3: Tell me again, what was the gen z is currently wasting?

1584
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 26: How much they're currently wasting? Seventeen point eight percent before

1585
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 26: why beforehand they were wasting and twenty twenty two, three

1586
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 26: years ago, twenty eight point two percent.

1587
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:24,439
Speaker 3: That's a third of their food, Jamie, I.

1588
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 26: Know, well, they're at the disposable generation, Jen, Why gen

1589
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 26: y that's the millennials, Yeah, eighteen eighty one and nineteen

1590
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 26: eighty one to ninety ninety six, fourteen point one gen X,

1591
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:37,679
Speaker 26: they're getting more sensible ten point four. But once again,

1592
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 26: you know the baby boomus. What a great number. Six

1593
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 26: point eight.

1594
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:42,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. Eat it all up, Thank you very much,

1595
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 3: Jamie appreciated Jamie McKay, host of the Country, Genes twenty seven, Like,

1596
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 3: think about that, that's a third of their food, right,

1597
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:51,560
Speaker 3: So they go and they spend one hundred bucks of

1598
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 3: the who spends one hundred bucks at the supermarket. Let's

1599
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 3: there's one hundred and fifty bucks of the supermarket. Fifty

1600
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 3: bucks of that is going in the bin because they

1601
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 3: can't be bothered finding something to do with the black

1602
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 3: carrots the bottom of the fridge. Know what I did

1603
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 3: with the black carrots to the bottom of the fridge, Well,

1604
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:04,719
Speaker 3: they were just a little bit black. Again, they weren't

1605
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 3: that black. I mean like it wasn't like dangerously black.

1606
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:09,760
Speaker 3: I just grated them into a good bond and aise

1607
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 3: is what you do with it, you know, the local

1608
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 3: little black bit just kind of cools off. You know,

1609
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:16,560
Speaker 3: I bet they find that they got the carrots that

1610
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 3: wob lay. We're not going to ate that, do you

1611
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 3: know what I ate? The other day yesterday for lunch ate.

1612
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 3: Something was cocked on Tuesday. That's right. It was in

1613
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 3: the fridge for a week.

1614
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 8: That's right.

1615
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 3: Guts of steel people, that's what happens when you eat

1616
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 3: all the food and you don't worry about it. Never

1617
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 3: makes your sex six twenty two.

1618
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 2: Everything from SMS to the big corporates.

1619
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Ellen and Mass for

1620
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 1: Insurance Investments and.

1621
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 2: Huie Safer and you're in good hands News Talk.

1622
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 3: Said be well, I am shocked to have to tell

1623
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 3: you this, but Winston Peters has sent a statement to

1624
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 3: us about what Stuart Nash said. He says the words

1625
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 3: used were not acceptable and on that point we agree

1626
01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 3: with missus Nash, as does Stuart. Now he has reflected

1627
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:05,759
Speaker 3: on them and as he said on the media outlet.

1628
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 3: Peters was then asked what is a woman and he

1629
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 3: set a human adult female. Okay, So yeah, Stu, think

1630
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 3: about what you're saying, mate, Think about the words coming

1631
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 3: out of your mouth being a bit loose. They're a

1632
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 3: lot in the past, haven't we haven't. Okay. So Audrey

1633
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 3: Young's written a piece Christopher Lucxtion leadership speculation, Why Rolling

1634
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 3: a PM is rare, and she lays this out. She says,

1635
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 3: has the threshold been met for Luxeon to be rolled?

1636
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 8: Not yet.

1637
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 3: The polls point to a close resulted next year's election,

1638
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 3: but might lose is hardly a compelling reason to get

1639
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 3: rid of a prime minister, Nor are the annoying things

1640
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,759
Speaker 3: such as inviting Taylor Swift to honeymoon in New Zealand

1641
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:45,680
Speaker 3: or blathering on too much during media interviews. National is

1642
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 3: in a grey zone at present, in which its polling

1643
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 3: is not dire enough to justify getting rid of a

1644
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 3: prime minister, but it is uncertain enough to warrant speculation

1645
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:55,960
Speaker 3: about the leadership, and a lot of speculation can become destabilizing.

1646
01:18:56,760 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 3: Matthew Houghton's Herald column on Friday canvassing Luxe's leaders ship

1647
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:04,760
Speaker 3: failing sparked such special sparked such speculation. Any crisis is

1648
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 3: some way off if it comes at all. She then says,

1649
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 3: if there was to be a leadership co or a

1650
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 3: managed exit or whatever. If it was show business, then

1651
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 3: Erica Stanford would be ahead. But it is politics, and

1652
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 3: Chris Bishop would appear to have greater political skills six

1653
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:19,559
Speaker 3: twenty six.

1654
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:21,599
Speaker 2: Neither Duplessy Allen.

1655
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 3: Obviously, I need to say I agree entirely with what

1656
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:26,599
Speaker 3: Audrey says, because Audrey is clever and knows what she's

1657
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 3: talking about. Here's some show biz news for you, Brad,

1658
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 3: turn on your Delongey. That was Brad and Delongey. Can

1659
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:43,680
Speaker 3: you figure this out? Basically, this is the competition for

1660
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 3: then Espresso ads with George Clooney. This is Brad Pitt

1661
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 3: fronting the new Delongey campaign. There's nothing like a little

1662
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 3: bit of beefcake with your morning espressod you're know what

1663
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 3: I'm talking about. And they've released a short film. It's

1664
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:55,720
Speaker 3: only a minute long, but it's directed by none other

1665
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 3: than Tiger Ytt. Delongey are saying that they've used Brad's

1666
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 3: charm and ty is humor to make a perfect ad.

1667
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 3: But listen to this and tell me if you think

1668
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 3: it's funny.

1669
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 2: Hey, b Feto, don ferto not there yet? Don ferto prefetoto?

1670
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 2: Come on, Manda prefeto good enough, you're getting there. The

1671
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:20,639
Speaker 2: Longey it's not just perfect, it's.

1672
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 3: Perfeto boomer humor. I don't really know anyway, The aid

1673
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 3: is pretty. It was filmed in New Zealand. That's why

1674
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:28,880
Speaker 3: Brad was here, so you got that lovely South Island view.

1675
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 3: Behind Brad, they're trying to sell the you one touch

1676
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 3: espresso machine which costs wait for it, one eight hundred dollars,

1677
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:39,519
Speaker 3: one eight hundred dollars. But it was on Oprah's Favorite

1678
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:41,400
Speaker 3: Things in twenty twenty four, so it must be worth it.

1679
01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 3: And if there are two people we trust here, it's

1680
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 3: Brad Pitt and Oprah. Am I right, No, I'm not right,

1681
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 3: never mind moving on. One third of us are using

1682
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 3: AI to invest. Just sounds like fantastic, great idea. Ask

1683
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:56,719
Speaker 3: chet GPT you where to put your money? Can't possibly

1684
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 3: go wrong for you. Let's talk about that next.

1685
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1686
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Hender dup c Allen and Mas

1687
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 1: for insurance Investments and Hui Safer and you're in good hands.

1688
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:33,560
Speaker 1: News talks that'd be wed.

1689
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 4: Why do you.

1690
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 2: Lie?

1691
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 8: Right?

1692
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 3: Gavin Gray is going to be with us? Actually I lie.

1693
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:46,719
Speaker 3: I just told you an outright lie. It's into Brady

1694
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 3: Into Brady is going to be with us in about

1695
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 3: ten minutes time out of the UK.

1696
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 8: Right now.

1697
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 3: It is twenty four away from seven now fascinating insight

1698
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 3: into how we're using AI when it comes to our investments.

1699
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:58,640
Speaker 3: A new survey has found more than one third of

1700
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 3: key we investors use AI to make investment decisions, and

1701
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 3: as you might expect, it's more popular with younger people,

1702
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 3: so people between the ages of eighteen and twenty nine,

1703
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 3: sixty four percent of them use AI for their investments.

1704
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 3: Amir Ganda is the Reporting and Assurance leader at Chanted Accountants,

1705
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 3: New Zealand and with us Hello, Amir.

1706
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 23: Kira, how are you well?

1707
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 8: Thank you?

1708
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 3: Is this wise?

1709
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 8: Well?

1710
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:24,639
Speaker 23: There are multiple sides, so this certainly it's the most

1711
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:27,800
Speaker 23: interesting thing I think coming out of our Investor Confidence

1712
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:31,560
Speaker 23: survey this year, that so many kiwis are turning to

1713
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:35,240
Speaker 23: AI in their investment decisions, and many are finding that

1714
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 23: it's working really well for them. They're finding that it

1715
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 23: provided information quickly, explanations were clear, and the responses helped

1716
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 23: them make decisions. But others lack trust. They found that

1717
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 23: it didn't provide new information or in fact found errors

1718
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:56,600
Speaker 23: and misinformation. And I guess what it comes back to

1719
01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 23: is making sure that what you are use to make

1720
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 23: decisions is reliable. And this is a matter of garbage

1721
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:08,559
Speaker 23: in garbage out. So if you AI works best where

1722
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:16,720
Speaker 23: you have an audited underlying, independent data set and you're

1723
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 23: using the AI, understand its limits and within the robust

1724
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:26,440
Speaker 23: regulatory framework there that's designed to protect investors.

1725
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm guessing that these people are asking something

1726
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 3: a little bit more complicated then simply where should I

1727
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:32,880
Speaker 3: put my money on the exets?

1728
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, you'd think so.

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Speaker 23: And what they're using is other household names chat, GPT, Copilot,

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Speaker 23: deep Seek for example. Those are the top three and

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Speaker 23: AI as opposed to more sophisticated investment specific tools. But

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Speaker 23: AI can help investors to, for example, digest very large

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01:23:57,080 --> 01:24:00,320
Speaker 23: amounts of information. And if there's one place that we

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01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 23: do tend to create that kind of information, it's in

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Speaker 23: investments and markets, financial information, all sorts of things, and

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Speaker 23: so it's helping them to get across information high identify

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Speaker 23: the key points. But of course the old truisms are

1738
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 23: as true here as anywhere else. You need to validate

1739
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 23: what's coming out of it out of these tools before

1740
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 23: making decisions, go back to the source documentation. And it's

1741
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 23: why investors in this survey say that eighty eight percent

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Speaker 23: of them so they trust audited financial statements and orders

1743
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 23: are still that critical human element so that they can

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Speaker 23: rely on the information they're using. But certainly it's providing

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01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 23: lots of different useful purposes, also identifying opportunities, and that's

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Speaker 23: how also international institutional investors are using AI.

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Speaker 3: I noticed also that about eleven percent of respondents reckon

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Speaker 3: domestic political unrest is the biggest risk to the New

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Speaker 3: Zealand economy. What do you think that mean by domestic

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01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 3: political unrest?

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Speaker 23: Well, certainly the highest concern in this year's survey when

1752
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 23: it comes to the New Zealand economy was inflation twenty

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01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:27,599
Speaker 23: five percent, although that's come back and what has increased

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01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:31,920
Speaker 23: a lot is twenty up to that's twenty five percent

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01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:34,559
Speaker 23: of investors saw that as the biggest risk. Twenty three

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Speaker 23: percent pointed to the global political landscape, and that's really

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Speaker 23: I think the real story in terms of what's making

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01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 23: investors nervous. That's way up from seventeen percent in the prey.

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Speaker 23: Of course, when we have trade discussions coming on the

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Speaker 23: agenda that haven't been relevant for decades, you've got tariff talk,

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01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 23: you've got conflicts in parts of the world, and so

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01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 23: that's why investors in according to this survey had a

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Speaker 23: lot more trust in the New Zealand market and companies

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Speaker 23: than they do in overseas markets. The finding that certainly

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Speaker 23: the fourth highest was the domestic political landscape, which is

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Speaker 23: not necessarily political unrest, but that that really comes back to,

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Speaker 23: you know, looking at politics, which is it's pretty much

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01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 23: always a factor for investors when they're thinking about what

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01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:35,679
Speaker 23: might be coming up in the economy.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for me, that's fascinating stuff. Amir

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Speaker 3: Gander reporting an assurance leader Chartered Accountants, New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Forgive do for c Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Just an update on the Indian FTA. The Indian minister

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Speaker 3: who's overseeing trade talks with New Zealand is feeling pretty

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Speaker 3: confident about how things are going. He's told Indian media

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01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 3: that are packed with New Zealand is going to be

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Speaker 3: signed within two months. Which stop before you get too excited,

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Speaker 3: because Todd McLay, who's our minister, is opposing. His counterpart

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Speaker 3: is not quite as excited. He says, good news for

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Speaker 3: our negotiators that India is so positive but has declined

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01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 3: to commit to the two month time frame. However, we

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01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 3: will take India's commitment to it will take it, which

1783
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 3: probably have to just calm the farm slightly. Now, anyone

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01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:24,640
Speaker 3: going to Snoop Dog in about eleven days will have

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Speaker 3: seen the news that popped up in the media this

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Speaker 3: afternoon and probably thought, oh Lord, here we go. There

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01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:34,720
Speaker 3: has been ongoing media coverage for some time of an

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Speaker 3: entertainment industry figure who's been accused of a number of

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Speaker 3: sexual assaults against multiple women. Was taken to court in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, found not guilty of a whole bunch

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Speaker 3: of charges, but was found guilty of two charges involving

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Speaker 3: one complainant, and then sentenced to twelve months home d

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Speaker 3: That person has just been revealed to be the concert

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Speaker 3: promoter one Peto Alvarez, who will be known to listeners

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Speaker 3: of the show because Pato is in my sights already,

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Speaker 3: because Peto is the person who was in charge of

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Speaker 3: Juicy Fest. And Peto also did timeless summer tours tour

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Speaker 3: I don't know whatever, it was, a crap name anyway,

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Speaker 3: And the people who bought tickets to these various festivals

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Speaker 3: to festivals never experienced the joy of that festival because

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01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 3: Pato canceled the festivals, and then Peto did not give

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01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:30,840
Speaker 3: them their money back, did he? So I already felt

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01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:34,639
Speaker 3: a little bit like, oh, oh about Snoop Dogg, because

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Speaker 3: Pato's running Snoop dog as well in eleven days, and

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Speaker 3: I'm supposed to be going to that, and I'm well

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Speaker 3: aware that on the scale of things that Pato has done,

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Speaker 3: according to what we've just discovered today, my gripe against

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Speaker 3: my potential gripe against Pato is on very much on

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Speaker 3: the low side, because there are some people who appear

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01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:53,800
Speaker 3: to have There is a person who appears to have

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01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 3: suffered at as hands and we've now found that out.

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Speaker 3: But I just I don't know. I'm feeling just a

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01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 3: little bit like I just don't know how this is

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Speaker 3: going to go down, having Peto organizing Snoop do you.

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Speaker 8: Know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Like nothing is My friend said to me today, she said, no,

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Speaker 3: I don't worry about it because this is before we

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01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:15,720
Speaker 3: knew that he was this guy who's just been unmasked.

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01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:17,120
Speaker 3: So I called her and I was like, oh, I'm

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01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 3: not feeling good about Snoop Dogg. She said, nah, no,

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Speaker 3: n see, they put the money in trust so that

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Speaker 3: he can't he can't do the thing again. And I

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01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:25,880
Speaker 3: was like, oh, that's good to know, okay, but now

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01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:28,439
Speaker 3: he did something else tone that we found out about anyway,

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01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:32,719
Speaker 3: remember that name. Peto Alvarez's cropping up a lot lately.

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Speaker 3: Seventeen away from seven en.

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Speaker 2: Croaging the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's hither to the sea, Allen with the business hour

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01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 1: and mass for insurance.

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01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 2: Investments and Kili Saber. You're in good hands, news.

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Speaker 3: Dog said be He is fourteen away from seven.

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Speaker 23: Listen.

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Speaker 3: The Economists has done a fantastic piece on what women

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01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:52,680
Speaker 3: are writing songs about now, not just any random not

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01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:54,519
Speaker 3: just women like me and the German, you know, like

1836
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:58,599
Speaker 3: random people writing songs, like actual songwriting women. The theme

1837
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:00,920
Speaker 3: has changed and you might be surprised at what it's

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01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:02,760
Speaker 3: changed to. So stand by, I'm gonna run you through that.

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Speaker 3: In the Brady UK corresponding with us.

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Speaker 24: Now, Hello Ininda, Hello Heather, great to speak to you again.

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Speaker 3: So Harry's landed back on home soil. But is he

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01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:13,040
Speaker 3: going to see the family In a.

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Speaker 24: Word, no, he landed yesterday. He went immediately to see

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Speaker 24: his late grandmother's grave and pay his respects on the

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01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 24: week of her anniversary. Three years she's been gone, And

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01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:26,920
Speaker 24: would you believe it. While he was in Windsor at

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01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:31,360
Speaker 24: Saint George's Chapel, seven miles away, William was attending a

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01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:36,400
Speaker 24: women's institute function with the Princess of Wales in Sunningdale.

1849
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:39,519
Speaker 24: So the two brothers were within seven miles of each

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01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 24: other yesterday and there was no communication whatsoever. And everything

1851
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:47,799
Speaker 24: we're reading in the papers this morning, it's highly unlikely

1852
01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:50,960
Speaker 24: he will be seeing his dad either. So he cuts

1853
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:52,760
Speaker 24: a bit of a lonely figure here, Harry when he

1854
01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:55,800
Speaker 24: comes home. He's back in the UK for four days.

1855
01:30:56,920 --> 01:30:59,759
Speaker 24: To give him his credit, he attended the well Child

1856
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:03,080
Speaker 24: Awards event last night and he did manage to crack

1857
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 24: a bit of a gag at his brother's expense. I

1858
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 24: thought he was presenting an award and he said to

1859
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:11,599
Speaker 24: this little boy, these are gravely ill children. He said

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01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:14,320
Speaker 24: to this little boy, tell me about your family, if

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01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:16,760
Speaker 24: you got any siblings. And the little boy said, yes,

1862
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:19,639
Speaker 24: I have a brother. And Harry said, quick as a flash,

1863
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:21,080
Speaker 24: does he drive you mad?

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Speaker 8: And that got a laugh.

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Speaker 3: That's right, most of them do that. To be fair. Now,

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01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 3: who are the tick bros who are coming with Trump?

1867
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 24: So the boss of Nvideo will be here next week

1868
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 24: Sam Altman, the boss of Open AI, and there's also

1869
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:39,240
Speaker 24: an invite for Tim Cook, the chief executive Apple. So

1870
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 24: President Trump is arriving next week. We knew there'd be

1871
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:45,760
Speaker 24: an entourage of security and family and everyone else for

1872
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:49,800
Speaker 24: this unprecedented second state visit, but it turns out he's

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01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:52,800
Speaker 24: bringing tech bros with him as well. So clearly the

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01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:56,120
Speaker 24: Americans field there are opportunities in the UK sector.

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01:31:57,040 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 3: Now you need to run me through what Boris has

1876
01:31:59,240 --> 01:31:59,760
Speaker 3: got up to here.

1877
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Speaker 24: So this is very interesting. Someone has got hold of

1878
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:08,880
Speaker 24: his email account. It's an American company that archives leaked

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01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:12,679
Speaker 24: and hacked emails and lo and behold, they've got into

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01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:15,679
Speaker 24: Boris's inbox and they've handed the lot of it over

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01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:19,479
Speaker 24: to the Guardian newspaper. Now, Boris Johnson has not commented

1882
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:22,599
Speaker 24: on what's being reported today. He has not responded whatsoever.

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01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:27,080
Speaker 24: But the allegation is that he has been using political

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01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 24: contacts gleaned from his time in Downing Street to fund

1885
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:33,759
Speaker 24: his lifestyle afterwards. So there's a couple of jaw dropping

1886
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:37,040
Speaker 24: financial figures to run you through. In the space of

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01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:40,519
Speaker 24: just under two years since leaving Downing Street, he has

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01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:44,960
Speaker 24: earned in excess of ten million enz dollars for thirty

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Speaker 24: four speeches. That's very very good money. There's also a

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01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:52,599
Speaker 24: claim that that time he flew to Venezuela to meet

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01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:55,800
Speaker 24: President Maduro and said that he hadn't been paid for it.

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01:32:56,280 --> 01:32:58,600
Speaker 24: There is a claim that he was seeing somewhere in

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Speaker 24: the region of four hundred and eighty thousand and z

1894
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:06,400
Speaker 24: dollars paid via an intermediary for a forty five minute

1895
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:09,960
Speaker 24: meeting with President Maduro of Venezuela. So he's been a

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01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 24: busy boy, has Boris if these emails are to be believed,

1897
01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:16,639
Speaker 24: and a very lucrative situation at.

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Speaker 3: That, what's the end Like, what's the endpoint here for him?

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01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:27,320
Speaker 24: I think, like every ex prime minister, it's monetizing your

1900
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:31,839
Speaker 24: political capital and your worth. Cameron does it reasonably quietly

1901
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 24: from his corner of Oxfordshire and Boris Johnson, Well, he's

1902
01:33:36,240 --> 01:33:39,000
Speaker 24: certainly been making money while while hey, while the sun

1903
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:39,599
Speaker 24: has shined.

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Speaker 8: I don't.

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01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 24: I live just up the road from him. I never

1906
01:33:42,400 --> 01:33:45,639
Speaker 24: see him around, but it's clear he's very busy keeping

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01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 24: himself active and the money is flowing in. But like

1908
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:51,559
Speaker 24: there's talk of him and Reform getting together and could

1909
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:54,000
Speaker 24: he be the poster boy of the next election campaign.

1910
01:33:54,479 --> 01:33:56,559
Speaker 24: I can't see it. I think he's a busted flush

1911
01:33:56,920 --> 01:33:59,080
Speaker 24: and when most people are struggling to pay bills, here

1912
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:02,519
Speaker 24: hearing the Baris Johnson has creamed off ten million dollars. Okay,

1913
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:04,679
Speaker 24: he's earned this, he's delivered the speeches.

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Speaker 8: Boss.

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Speaker 24: Ten million dollars for a few dozen speeches. It's staggering money.

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Speaker 3: It's huge. It's massive. Hey, Inda, thank you, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Into Brady UK, correspondent. Okay, here we go. So, you know,

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Speaker 3: in the old days, when I say the old days,

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01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:22,320
Speaker 3: I mean the nineteen sixties, women would write songs. I'm

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01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:25,160
Speaker 3: thinking of Joni Mitchell would wrote write songs about you know,

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01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:29,559
Speaker 3: her personal experiences. You'd have carl Simon. Yeah, I got

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01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:31,559
Speaker 3: a name, right, Carlie Simon. You know you're so vain

1923
01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:34,920
Speaker 3: writing songs about annoying men. You'd have very women in

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01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:38,320
Speaker 3: the ages have written in sung songs about wonderful love affairs.

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01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:39,559
Speaker 3: What are women writing about?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 3: Stand by and I'm gonna tell you after the break

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Speaker 3: nine away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Tioplasty Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk ZEBBI.

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Speaker 3: Here's the answer to the question six away from seven.

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Speaker 3: Here's the answer to the question. Female pop stars nowadays

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01:34:56,720 --> 01:35:02,400
Speaker 3: are singing about mediocre men. Examples Manchild by Sabrina Carpenter.

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01:35:03,479 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 3: She basically sings about men who barely do the dishes

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01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:10,080
Speaker 3: or assemble a chair from ikea. She also sings in

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Speaker 3: Sugar Talking, another song about how he has very big

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01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:17,240
Speaker 3: epiphanies for a really small mind. There's Slim Pickings where

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01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:19,439
Speaker 3: she complains that the man doesn't even know the difference

1939
01:35:19,479 --> 01:35:23,720
Speaker 3: between there isn't over there and that's their chair and

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Speaker 3: they are, Oh my gosh, that man would die. Chapel

1941
01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:30,439
Speaker 3: Rohan is doing it, Perry is doing it, du A

1942
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:32,800
Speaker 3: Lipa is doing it, et cetera, et cetera. So what

1943
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:36,000
Speaker 3: the economist says in is this current wave of songs

1944
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:38,760
Speaker 3: reflects a social shift. Women in the rich world are

1945
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:42,240
Speaker 3: enjoying more economic power, meaning they can be choosier about

1946
01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:44,760
Speaker 3: their partners. Many are willing to hold out for someone

1947
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:46,519
Speaker 3: who will do the washing up and put the toilet

1948
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:49,519
Speaker 3: seat down. According to the Pew Research Center, thirty five

1949
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:53,160
Speaker 3: percent of American women aged between twenty five and fifty

1950
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:57,120
Speaker 3: four we're single. In twenty twenty three. That's up from

1951
01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:00,479
Speaker 3: twenty nine percent so nine percent and nineteen ninety up

1952
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:03,639
Speaker 3: to thirty five percent in twenty twenty three. Across many

1953
01:36:03,680 --> 01:36:06,200
Speaker 3: measures from education to politics, young men and women are

1954
01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:10,400
Speaker 3: drifting apart nearly sixty percent of American university graduates of women,

1955
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 3: Given that most women prefer not to date or married

1956
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:17,280
Speaker 3: down a married down men, for many, it can be

1957
01:36:17,400 --> 01:36:21,479
Speaker 3: as Miss Carpenter says slim pickings, men are pushing back.

1958
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:25,439
Speaker 3: It has been pointed out that Morgan Wollen, the country singer, says,

1959
01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:27,639
Speaker 3: if I'm so awful, then why do you stick around

1960
01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:30,840
Speaker 3: so long? And Boy Morgan, don't push a mate, don't

1961
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:33,120
Speaker 3: be asking that question too many times because you might

1962
01:36:33,200 --> 01:36:34,680
Speaker 3: find that you just push her out the door. I

1963
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:37,120
Speaker 3: think they're onto something, though, I do think they're onto something.

1964
01:36:37,400 --> 01:36:40,040
Speaker 3: I think the economic independence that women has gotten have

1965
01:36:40,120 --> 01:36:42,400
Speaker 3: got nowadays is causing them to just be a little

1966
01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:47,639
Speaker 3: bit like you know, you can pick up your own clothes.

1967
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Speaker 23: Let be.

1968
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Speaker 8: There.

1969
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Speaker 21: It is manchild.

1970
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Speaker 22: Do you recognizer?

1971
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Speaker 8: Yes?

1972
01:36:56,160 --> 01:36:59,799
Speaker 3: Yes, I didn't recognize it when Sam, the other producer

1973
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:02,040
Speaker 3: of the the third of the trifecta, sang it at

1974
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:04,320
Speaker 3: me because it was like man child.

1975
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Speaker 21: I thought it was a perfect rendition.

1976
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Speaker 3: Did you Yeah, yeah, I thought I thought. I thought

1977
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:12,920
Speaker 3: he's done better versions of songs. But look, it's hard.

1978
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:15,679
Speaker 3: It's it's quite a hard. Little like ditty to nail

1979
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:17,920
Speaker 3: with your voice, I think, don't you think it would be?

1980
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Speaker 8: Yeah?

1981
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Speaker 3: It's also when a man child sings manchild, there's an

1982
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:25,080
Speaker 3: irony in it. Just joking, just joking. Lord, I'm in

1983
01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:27,720
Speaker 3: big trouble. He's gonna set me up. Okay, listen, see

1984
01:37:27,720 --> 01:37:31,479
Speaker 3: you later, be with you tomorrow, and enjoy your evening

1985
01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:34,200
Speaker 3: after I've put all of this trouble into your marriage.

1986
01:37:34,280 --> 01:37:35,439
Speaker 3: Right now, News Talks, he'd be.

1987
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Speaker 2: For more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive. Listen live to

1988
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Speaker 2: News Talks.

1989
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Speaker 1: It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast

1990
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