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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spins to find the real story,

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Speaker 2: V Well, a very good afternoon to you. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for choosing the program. My name is Andrew Dickens here

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Speaker 2: until seven and on the show today. Our NCA pass

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Speaker 2: what is the deepest story about mildly education? We'll have

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Speaker 2: Duncan Gree from the spin off is joining us after six.

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Speaker 3: Four Andrew dickens, So today we.

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Speaker 2: Had a glimmer of good economic news. The inflation rate

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Speaker 2: And I'd say we're not, because we're still vulnerable to

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Speaker 2: Their debt to GDP levels exceed one hundred percent of GDP.

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Speaker 2: I know that's a negative list, and I don't like

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Speaker 2: we had the NCA figures out last week and MILDI

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Speaker 2: how are you very good? How big is that disparity

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, people can point to causality, and I think

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Speaker 2: So how does the government fix that? Because it's pretty

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Speaker 4: That is clear. And I hear, you know, people like

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Speaker 2: Obviously, if we improve education right across the board, it

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Speaker 2: we need to do something to target this portion of

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Speaker 4: Look, I think we need to start from scratched to

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Speaker 4: We need to change the attitudes of our schools by

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Speaker 4: And look, I mean it's probably a bit of a

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Speaker 2: Awen, I thank you so much for all your commently

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Speaker 2: as Alan Paul, who is an education consultant former ahead

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Speaker 2: Allen was in praise of the Grammar way of doing things.

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Speaker 2: It is sixteen after four now the Super Smash is

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Speaker 2: a fantastic competition and it will be even better if

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Speaker 2: so how could we make Super Smash better? Darcy Waldegrave

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Speaker 1: Next who will take the White House results and analysis.

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Speaker 3: Of the US election on hither Dupless?

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Speaker 1: Alan Drive with one New Zealand Let's get connected news

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Speaker 1: talk said.

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Speaker 2: Be is now four nineteen Darcy Waldgrave. Novak Djokovic is

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Speaker 2: the goat and I don't care how prickly he is,

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Speaker 2: and he proved it again last night. Listen to the

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Speaker 2: but it's true. Between sern and eight Monday, to prove

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Speaker 2: he's prickly, I get that. And that's what makes them great.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it does. And he's got the numbers. And if

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Speaker 5: he got over the Spaniard last night.

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Speaker 2: It was I was up till two in the morning.

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Speaker 5: Just after two, it was like, okay, that was the

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Speaker 5: most astonishing third set. I cannot believe it. I've been watching.

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Speaker 2: Surely, I'm not staring up for this.

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Speaker 5: This is going to go five. Only went four.

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Speaker 2: That was intense.

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Speaker 5: And again what we talked about last night, he focuses

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Speaker 5: He didn't have to bring up that errant broadcaster who

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Speaker 2: goes hello. So there we go. Meanwhile, meanwhile, Aaron Raudlift

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Speaker 5: Aaron routlifts in two semi finals now was juggling the

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Speaker 5: with gibbet Rowski. It's coming up on Friday, but starting

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Speaker 2: Five two Kiwis.

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Speaker 5: It's so good, Yes, And she's the most wonderful character.

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Speaker 5: And you'll hear more from her tonight and it will

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Speaker 5: we yarm with it this afternoon, like before she goes

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Speaker 2: I read an article over the weekend and it's all

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Speaker 2: but they wanted to somehow make it better. So what's

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Speaker 2: this hint that Super Smash and the Big Bash League

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Speaker 5: Well, in the rugby league we do, in Super Rugby

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Speaker 3: They'd be already.

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Speaker 2: So fun, you know, forget me. I'm glad, you glad,

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Speaker 8: Thank you and to you too.

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Speaker 8: it's also going to be Europe. I think we're going

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Speaker 8: to see this in New Zealand, where you guys could

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Speaker 8: pay more as well. Basically, he said, you know what,

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Speaker 8: we're going to follow through by imposing these tariffs on Canada.

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Speaker 8: And he said that they're going to impose about a

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Speaker 8: twenty five percent tax on goods that are coming in

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Speaker 8: both from Canada to or north and Mexico to or

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Speaker 8: South as soon as, like you said, February first, and

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Speaker 8: he said, don't worry about this. All these important goods

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Speaker 8: you're not going to feel. And you, being the consumer,

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Speaker 8: you're not going to feel any of this. Well, of

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Speaker 8: course you are, because if these guys are paying thirty

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Speaker 8: percent more in tariffs, this is going to trickle down

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Speaker 8: to us. So the consumer is going to have to

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Speaker 8: pay more. It's the way it works, no matter if

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Speaker 8: you're a Republican or Democrat in any presidency.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I don't think people I quite understand tariffs is

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Speaker 2: a tax, but the text is not like if we're

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Speaker 2: giving you meat, we're selling you meat. We're not paying

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Speaker 2: your text. It's you guys who pay the text, and

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Speaker 2: that stops you wanting to buy so much of our meat. So,

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Speaker 2: in fact, this is a cost put onto the American.

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Speaker 8: People, exactly exactly it is. And I think this is

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Speaker 8: going to happen to a lot of countries, and I

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Speaker 8: think this is going to come back, and you know,

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Speaker 8: the Republicans are going to spend this to to make

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Speaker 8: it sound good like we're getting a break. But at

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Speaker 8: the end of the day, just watch what prices are

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Speaker 8: going to do it grocery stores, what cost of furniture,

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Speaker 8: what cars are going to be doing, what electronics made

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Speaker 8: in China. So I think this is going to be

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Speaker 8: a big impact for a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: And Zuru toys from New Zealand. Don't forget that. Now,

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Speaker 2: tell me about Donald Trump's special new button in the

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Speaker 2: Oval office.

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Speaker 8: This is my favorite Trump story because if you when

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Speaker 8: you when you see a picture of Donald Trump in

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Speaker 8: the office. Now, if you're looking at your television set,

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Speaker 8: you're going to have to look to his to the

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Speaker 8: to the left, but it's on his actually right hand side.

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Speaker 8: On the office, he has reinstated this button on the

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Speaker 8: desk that alerts White House staff when he wants a

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Speaker 8: fresh can of diet coke, nothing else. It is a

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Speaker 8: button strictly for that, and he had it installed back

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Speaker 8: in twenty seventeen. It was obviously taken off when Joe

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Speaker 8: Biden came in, but before he was the inauguration happened.

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Speaker 8: He got his personalized bottle of his favorite drink directly

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Speaker 8: from Coca Cola, and when he walked into the office

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Speaker 8: for the first time, they had the button installed. So

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Speaker 8: anytime he does that, he will have a valet that

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Speaker 8: will come in with a can of coke and the

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Speaker 8: guy goes through nobody knows how many, but he's a

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Speaker 8: huge fan of coke or diet coke. I should say

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Speaker 8: right now, but of all the strange things to have installed, no, I.

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Speaker 2: Want one too. I want in fact, Laura, I want

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Speaker 2: one too. I want a big butt button here. I

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Speaker 2: don't want diet coke because that's an abomination. I want

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Speaker 2: a button, I push it and suddenly an expressive machiatta

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Speaker 2: turns up on my disc. Is that cool? It is cool?

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Speaker 2: We've done day out there today.

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Speaker 8: I can I can imagine what Laura's thinking and looking

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Speaker 8: at it right now.

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Speaker 2: I will tell you what an express of makaiata is

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Speaker 2: a bit later on, and you will bring it to

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Speaker 2: me when I push that button. Thank you you, thank

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Speaker 2: you you, Dan Mitchison. It takes through a ninety two

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Speaker 2: ninety two. Remember there was a small stop bashing gen Z.

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Speaker 2: My children can cook manager house and a garden. They

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Speaker 2: grow great vegetables, and they know how to save, and

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Speaker 2: they have big bank balances. They are smart and doing

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Speaker 2: well in their jobs. We as parents taught them the

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Speaker 2: necessary fundamentals to get them started independently in life. Older parents, though,

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Speaker 2: says for we are older parents, well this is true.

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Speaker 2: My boys A good one he left home at seventeen,

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Speaker 2: had to do his own diy and the other one well,

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Speaker 2: he worked all the way through school and university at

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Speaker 2: might attend and stuff got in. It is sixteen to

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Speaker 2: five for looking at New Zealand politics. Next this is

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Speaker 2: news talks.

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Speaker 1: Heb politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 2: Jason Walls is our political editor and joins me. Now hala, Jason, Oh,

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Speaker 2: good afternoon. Are you at the National Caucus Retreat.

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Speaker 7: I'm not.

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Speaker 10: I'm down in Wellington. I've been handling business down here.

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Speaker 2: But Sophie Trigger is there. But we've got the State

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Speaker 2: of a Nation's speech tomorrow from Christopher Luxon, Prime Minister.

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Speaker 7: Indeed we do.

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Speaker 10: It's been you know, when it rains at paus down

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Speaker 10: here in politics Land. We have nothing for a couple

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Speaker 10: of months and this week we have National's Caucus Retreat,

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Speaker 10: Labor's Caucus Retreat, National State of the Nation, at State

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Speaker 10: of the Nation in the Ratina, all in one week.

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Speaker 10: But it was The Herald's Jamie Ensil who's actually been

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Speaker 10: up there at the caucus retreat. He says it's been

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Speaker 10: rather dull in yester years as a bit of backyard cricket.

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Speaker 10: There's barbecues, everybody's in polos or in sunnies. Jamie said,

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Speaker 10: there's none of that, and he told me that the

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Speaker 10: meetings are just in bland beige conference rooms and it

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Speaker 10: was corporate with the capital. See kind of makes sense, really,

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Speaker 10: I wasn't expecting a jovial affair from the NATS back

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Speaker 10: to basics from them really And then meanwhile, Luxein's getting

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Speaker 10: ready for his State of the Nation speech tomorrow. The

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Speaker 10: theme of that is you guessed it, economic growth, and

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Speaker 10: there'll be an announcement as I understand it, but nothing

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Speaker 10: hugely major. I mean, the Shane Avetty cabinet reshuffle earlier

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Speaker 10: this week was the main bit of news, if you will.

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Speaker 10: There's going to be some interesting information about how they

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Speaker 10: plan to solve some of the more systemic ten to

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Speaker 10: twenty or even thirty year economic plans. And I do

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Speaker 10: understand that there is going to be a new refocus

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Speaker 10: on opening up minds in New Zealand. So the Greens

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Speaker 10: are going to love that.

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Speaker 2: One absolutely, and we're hearing rumors were talking about this.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about this with Nicola Willis as well. It's

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Speaker 2: a Simon Bridges idea that we'll get rid of the

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Speaker 2: visa obligations for the Chinese and Simon Rickens there is

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Speaker 2: a billion dollars worth of extra tourism that will get

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Speaker 2: from that alone. You reckon that will be in the

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Speaker 2: State of the Nation. You reckon that might be a

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Speaker 2: policy he announces, because that's an immediate benefit a short term.

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Speaker 10: Oh, I don't think that'll be in the announcement tomorrow.

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Speaker 10: I've it hasn't from what I understand it. It hasn't

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Speaker 10: been billed as a major announcement. And that's what I

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Speaker 10: would consider to be something quite major, and that's something

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Speaker 10: you need to get Winston Peters on board with as well.

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Speaker 10: So I haven't heard any soundings to say it's anything

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Speaker 10: along those lines.

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Speaker 2: All right, very good. We have another political poll out

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Speaker 2: and warning it's a Roy Morgan.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: So it just goes to show how up in the

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Speaker 10: air everything really is. Last week, you know, there was

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Speaker 10: the taxpayer union funded Courier poll showing that National had

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Speaker 10: dropped four and a half points to twenty nine and

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Speaker 10: they were actually leap frogged by the Labor Party. Well,

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Speaker 10: this new Roy Morgan pole shows that over the December

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Speaker 10: period the Nats were actually up two point five percentage points.

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Speaker 7: To thirty one.

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Speaker 10: Act was on thirty in New Zealand, First on seven

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Speaker 10: point five. In fact, the three parties remained well ahead

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Speaker 10: of Labor, which is on twenty six percent, Green's thirteen

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Speaker 10: point five and Tea Party Marti on five point five,

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Speaker 10: so sort of split that out. For the right block

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Speaker 10: the coalition government, it's fifty one point five percent and

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Speaker 10: forty four for the left. Hence why I don't think

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Speaker 10: last week's bad poll for National would have been the

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Speaker 10: focus of the caucus retreat today. They're just kind of moving.

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Speaker 10: The poles are moving around too much. We don't tend

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Speaker 10: to focus on Roy Morgan as much as the others.

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Speaker 10: But it's a good little snapshot to just say, you know,

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Speaker 10: things are really really up in the air right now.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: True, but of course the only pole of councils in

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Speaker 2: two years time, and I think the Courier pole will

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Speaker 2: just remind everybody. It's like a kick out the really,

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Speaker 2: you know, you've got to work hard if we're going

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Speaker 2: to keep the benches in two years time.

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Speaker 3: So there we go.

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Speaker 2: Now a trigger warning. You are about to hear a

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Speaker 2: voice you haven't heard for a while. But tell me

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Speaker 2: the story about a book, Jason.

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Speaker 10: Well, it's by one just Cinda Ardurn.

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Speaker 5: Remember her.

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Speaker 10: June third is when her book is coming out. It's

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Speaker 10: called a Different Kind of Power. And you'll never guess

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Speaker 10: what the theme is. Well, here's a little bit of

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Speaker 10: what she said, As I say, trigger warning.

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Speaker 11: I've written about things that I haven't shared before, but

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Speaker 11: I've also tried to share how it feels to lead,

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Speaker 11: especially if you're surprised to find yourself in leadership. And

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Speaker 11: for anyone who has ever doubted themselves, I really hope

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Speaker 11: there's something in it for them as well.

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Speaker 2: They go only nineteen seconds, and at least we didn't

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Speaker 2: show the visuals as well, because she smiled brightly through

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Speaker 2: the entire presentation of what was a two minute video.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, nobody's going to be surprised by the

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Speaker 10: fact it's a book about kindness and empathy, and if

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Speaker 10: you're expecting a brutal takedown piece, you'd be out of luck,

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Speaker 10: although I can't imagine why you'd be expecting that, So

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Speaker 10: I expect to see a lot more of just send

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Speaker 10: our dourness she goes to promote this book. I'm interested

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Speaker 10: to see whether she actually comes back to New Zealand

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Speaker 10: and does the book launch here, or if she does

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Speaker 10: it in Harvard or Buckingham Palace or somewhere like that.

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Speaker 10: So we'll have to wait. But yeah, brace yourself with

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Speaker 10: some more just send ardurn.

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Speaker 2: Apparently she has a documentary out next week as well.

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Speaker 10: And yes, yes, I've heard I've heard a fair bit

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Speaker 10: about that documentary as well by Clark Gayford, who was

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Speaker 10: documenting behind the scenes the whole time.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's called Prime Minister. And I'm getting some very

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Speaker 2: funny texts coming up to say, and I thank you

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Speaker 2: Jason Walls here on news talks, it'd.

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Speaker 1: Be putting the tough questions to the newswakers, the Mike

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Speaker 1: hosking breakfast terror threats.

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Speaker 3: You've got pardons of plenty. The list goes on. Matt

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Speaker 3: Tyrrell is joining us now.

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Speaker 6: He's the former chief of staff to the new Secretary

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Speaker 6: of State Marco Rubio.

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Speaker 12: And managing partner of fire House Strategies.

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Speaker 9: The bottom line is, is Trump being Trump? This has

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Speaker 9: been obviously a non traditional inauguration. You saw him on

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Speaker 9: the heels of the inauguration speech yesterday, then go to

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Speaker 9: Capitol One Arena where he did a rally unheard of

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Speaker 9: for someone during an inauguration day and knowing that he

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Speaker 9: signed executive orders right then and there in front of

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Speaker 9: a massive crowd of supporters. Then went to the Oldal

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Speaker 9: offense with reporters in the room, signing more executive orders.

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Speaker 9: It was a day in which he was filming his

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Speaker 9: day one promise.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge on the mic hosting Breakfast Back tomorrow at

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Speaker 1: six am with the Range Rover of the Lawn News

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Speaker 1: Talks head be Can I just I gave you.

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Speaker 2: A trigger warning? Didon't I? And it was only nineteen

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Speaker 2: seconds of audio as it takes through. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: that is one nasty trigger. My blood pressure has just skyrocketed.

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Speaker 2: Cannot wait for the book. It will be hidden by

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Speaker 2: me and everyone else.

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Speaker 13: I know.

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Speaker 2: My ears are bleeding. Please don't ever do that again,

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Speaker 2: Roger says, had a cold shiver run down my spine

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Speaker 2: with that audio. Andrew and someone else said, don't put

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Speaker 2: her voice on ZB I'm sorry. Are you a believer

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Speaker 2: in not a believer in free speech and censorship? And

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Speaker 2: you want me to start censoring people? Yeah, that's tough.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: The inflation figures her out and it's stable, they say,

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Speaker 2: two point two percent, they say, but domestic inflation, the

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Speaker 2: non tradable stuff, that's up at four point five percent.

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Speaker 2: That's still pretty high. Plus the dollar's going down and

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Speaker 2: we know that. Therefore, imports are going up and we

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Speaker 2: know that, and the petrol price is going up and

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Speaker 2: we know that as well, and therefore some people are

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Speaker 2: warning that inflation will return as the year goes on.

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Speaker 2: So it's a nasty little brew, and we are going

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Speaker 2: to have Nicola Willis on the program in just a

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Speaker 2: few moments time. The Finance Minister, who, while not actually

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Speaker 2: in charge of actually dealing with inflation as such, is

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Speaker 2: in charge of dealing with the economic growth that can

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Speaker 2: help us get out of the whole. And she's meeting

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Speaker 2: and talking about this in the retreat. So what are

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Speaker 2: the ideas to get away from what is an interesting situation.

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Speaker 2: Nicola Willis is my next guest here on News Talk SVB.

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Speaker 1: Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust for

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Speaker 1: the full picture. Andrew Dickens on Hither Duples see Alan

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Speaker 1: Drive with One New Zealand let's get connected News Talks.

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Speaker 13: It'd be.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us this afternoon. It

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Speaker 2: is when the twenty second of January. I know it

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Speaker 2: feels like a Friday, but that's because it's the beginning

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Speaker 2: of the year and all these weeks feel like this.

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Speaker 2: My name is Andrew Dickins. I'm figuring for Heather to Allan.

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Speaker 2: So the big story is inflation, and inflation has remained

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Speaker 2: stuck at two point two percent for the year to December. Now,

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Speaker 2: that is roughly in line with economists expectations. So lower

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Speaker 2: petrol prices help keep our inflation down. But the thing

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Speaker 2: is domestic inflation is sticky, like rents. For instance, they're

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Speaker 2: at four point two percent, and local authority rates are

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Speaker 2: up twelve point two percent. That's twelve point two percent.

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Speaker 2: That's all inflation. Meanwhile, economists say that the lower New

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Speaker 2: Zealand dollar we have at the moment and the higher

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Speaker 2: oil prices that are emerging, could see a return of

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Speaker 2: higher inflation imported into this country late this year. So

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Speaker 2: Finance Minister Nichola Willis joins me. Now, Hella Nikoler, Hello,

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Speaker 2: how worried to you that this inflation rate that we've

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Speaker 2: battled to obtain might reaccelerate as a year goes on.

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Speaker 14: I think there's some positive signs in this data because

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Speaker 14: what it shows is that domestic inflation overall, what we

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Speaker 14: call non tradable inflation, has come down from four point

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Speaker 14: nine to four point five. That's going in the right direction.

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Speaker 14: For the first time in a long time. We're seeing

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Speaker 14: some real progress there, so that's positive. As we look

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Speaker 14: to the future, yes, of course, we can expect that

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Speaker 14: there will be other inflationary pressures that can emerge, whether

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Speaker 14: that's from offshore or other things outside our control. So

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Speaker 14: our job as a government is to make sure that

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Speaker 14: we're keeping that discipline around our own spending, not adding

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Speaker 14: fuel to the inflationary fire, and let the Reserve Bank

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Speaker 14: do their job of making sure interest rates are in

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Speaker 14: the right place. Look, I'm pleased because today's data, which

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Speaker 14: is the second quarter in a row that we've had

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Speaker 14: inflation back and target ban means that there's room for

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Speaker 14: the Reserve Bank to keep reducing interest rates, and that

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Speaker 14: flows through the mortgageholders, that flows through to our real economy.

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Speaker 14: That's where growth and recovery comes from.

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Speaker 2: Now, think about non tradable inflation on what they call

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Speaker 2: domestic inflation, is that there's many different leavers that you

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Speaker 2: can use to control it, and one of them is

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Speaker 2: regulatory and that is completely the ball is completely in

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Speaker 2: your court. So what would be your message to councils

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Speaker 2: to keep putting rates up and contributing to our interest rates?

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Speaker 2: Can you can? You can you cap their weight?

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Speaker 14: My message would be that my message would be the

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Speaker 14: same as the prime ministers, which is if you care

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Speaker 14: about your rate payers, then do everything you can control

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Speaker 14: your costs because when you go and do your nice

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Speaker 14: to have projects and add all of these extra costs,

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Speaker 14: it's rate payers for paying and they can't really afford

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Speaker 14: to in many cases right now. So it's time for

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Speaker 14: discipline and restraint in local government. And yes we've now

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Speaker 14: that a new local government mister Simon Watts. He will

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Speaker 14: carry on the great work that Simeon Brown has been progressing.

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Speaker 14: Where we are looking at this concept putting some limits

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Speaker 14: on the level of rent the rate increases that councils

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Speaker 14: can do because in too many cases they have been

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Speaker 14: pretty out of control.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so that's a rates cap and can you do

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Speaker 2: it this year and can it take effect this year?

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Speaker 14: Well, as I say, there's a new minister with his

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Speaker 14: feet under the desk, but I've seen him today. The

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Speaker 14: message he is getting loud and clear from New Zealanders

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Speaker 14: is help me with my rapes fill and I know

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Speaker 14: that top of mind for him.

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Speaker 2: Rents up four point two percent again, how can you

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Speaker 2: get those rent costs down?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 14: Well, those rent costs have been increasing dramatically in recent years,

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Speaker 14: and we want to see that moderating. That's why we're

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Speaker 14: making it so much easier to build houses, because we

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Speaker 14: basically need a situation where landlords are competing for tenants

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Speaker 14: rather than the other way around. So that fast tracked

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Speaker 14: legislation which we've put through that includes more than forty

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Speaker 14: new housing developments up to fifty five thousand more homes.

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Speaker 14: New Zealand's basic problems we don't have enough houses for

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Speaker 14: the number of people who need to be housed. Only

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Speaker 14: when we really solved that underlying issue where we get

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Speaker 14: affordable rents. I want affordable rents. It's a major cost

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Speaker 14: for many families, for many young people, and we don't

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Speaker 14: want to see the great rent increases continuing into the future.

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Speaker 2: Now, of course you've been in retreat and you've been

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Speaker 2: talking about growth, and a strategy is to get growth,

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Speaker 2: and it's needed now, not in five years or ten

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Speaker 2: or fifteen years time. We need to start going now.

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Speaker 2: And there's been some talk about changing visa processes, meaning

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Speaker 2: that Chinese princes don't have to apply for a visa,

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Speaker 2: as Simon Bridges reckons. That would be an instant boost

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Speaker 2: for the economy. For of a billion dollars. So are

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Speaker 2: you thinking about making China visa free for visitors? And

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Speaker 2: could we expect that maybe even tomorrow when the State

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Speaker 2: of the Nation's speech comes out.

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Speaker 14: You can't expect that one to be announced tomorrow. But

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Speaker 14: I'm on the same page that one of the immediate

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Speaker 14: things we can do is get more tourists into New Zealand.

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Speaker 14: When tourists come here, they spend money in our local businesses,

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Speaker 14: they spend money with our local hospitality providers, our restaurants

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Speaker 14: and our bars. It's good for the economy, it's good

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Speaker 14: for jobs, it's good for all of us. So I

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Speaker 14: do want to see us increasing those numbers. The tourism

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Speaker 14: numbers increased in December and January, up to five year high.

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Speaker 14: I've talked to Louis Upston today, the new Minister for Tourism.

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Speaker 14: I've seen the leaps look pretty quick at the FSER

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Speaker 14: idea because if we can bring more Chinese tourists here

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Speaker 14: and they spend more money at local shops, that is

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Speaker 14: good for New Zealanders. So let's put that high on

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Speaker 14: the agenda, and it certainly is high on your agenda.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're all waiting with bated breath to see some

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Speaker 2: of your growth strategies and we look forward to it

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Speaker 2: and I thank you so much for your time today.

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Speaker 2: That is Nicola willis the Finance Minister. It is thir

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Speaker 2: teen minutes after five Andrew Diggers and keeping of course

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Speaker 2: with inflation, it is the big story of the day.

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Speaker 2: And how's it going to affect the Reserve Bank who

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Speaker 2: are making a decision about our interest rates in February.

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Speaker 2: So we've got all the four big banks cutting their

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Speaker 2: mortgage interest rates over the last few days, so there's

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Speaker 2: a signal there. There is a question as to just

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Speaker 2: how low the official cash rate will come in in

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Speaker 2: light of these stats and in light of the fears

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Speaker 2: that inflation might re emerge a bit over the course

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Speaker 2: of the year. So Gareth Kanan is Infametrics Principal forecaster

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Speaker 2: and joins me. Now, hello Gareth Andrew. So everyone's expecting

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Speaker 2: a fifty point drop in the OCR. Where do you

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Speaker 2: see the OCR going now that the inflation figures have

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Speaker 2: actually come in.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, we're still sitting with a fifty point drop in

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Speaker 15: next month's meeting at this stage. I mean, look, the

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Speaker 15: markets over the last month or so have been looking

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Speaker 15: internationally at some of the trends that have been going on,

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Speaker 15: looking at the New Zealand dollar, which is down six

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Speaker 15: percent over the last three months, and going oh, okay,

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Speaker 15: there's just some inflationary risks out there that perhaps we're

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Speaker 15: not seeing when the Reserve Bank last published their forecasts,

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Speaker 15: but taking today's darted look, their non tradable inflation is

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Speaker 15: still coming down. There's risks on the trade all side,

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Speaker 15: but I don't think there's enough there to sway the

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Speaker 15: Reserve Bank towards going with a smaller twenty five point cut.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And I think the rest of the banks must

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Speaker 2: agree because they've preemptively started dropping their interest rates. What

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Speaker 2: do you think has the drop in mortgage interest rates

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Speaker 2: in our banks?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, we've seen some of the shorter term wholesale rates

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Speaker 15: drifting down, basically following the GDP numbers late last year,

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Speaker 15: which recourse showed we're in quite a significant recession at

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Speaker 15: that point in time. We've seen over the last possibly

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Speaker 15: eight to ten days, that some of those wholesale rates

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Speaker 15: have actually been drifting a little bit back up again.

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Speaker 15: So it almost looks to me like the bank's been

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Speaker 15: away on holiday. They've come back and seen their funding

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Speaker 15: costs have come down and mostly held down, and they've

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Speaker 15: reacted to that. Financial markets have priced in a fifty

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Speaker 15: point cut next month, So there is an element of

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Speaker 15: passing that on to borrowers as well.

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Speaker 2: And you've done some research and you found that people

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Speaker 2: who consistently fix for one year get the best deals.

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Speaker 3: Is that correct.

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Speaker 15: Over the longer term year? Certainly when you look through

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Speaker 15: following the global financial crisis right through until COVID struck us,

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Speaker 15: the one year rate was pretty consistently the cheapest one

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Speaker 15: out there if that was what you were consistently doing,

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Speaker 15: and you know, fixing for longer terms in general was

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Speaker 15: not going to be as good a bet. Of course,

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Speaker 15: we know that if you fix for five years back

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Speaker 15: in twenty twenty one, when the rates were three percent,

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Speaker 15: you'd be arguing with me. And you know that was

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Speaker 15: one of these sort of anomalies or unusual situations. But

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Speaker 15: when we're looking forward again from here, we are expecting

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Speaker 15: in general the one year rate to be the most attractive,

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Speaker 15: almost financially beneficial guys.

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Speaker 2: Kevivian Formentris, can I ask your question, can you fit

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Speaker 2: a wayer bleed? I can?

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Speaker 3: For the wife and blade a.

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Speaker 15: She did it for the first time a couple of

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Speaker 15: months ago forty eight. Finally finally manage to have the

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Speaker 15: opportunity to do it.

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Speaker 2: Good And can you hang a picture frame? I can

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Speaker 2: do that too, you good man. Apparently gen Z can't.

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Speaker 2: So we're talking about this in a few moments time.

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Speaker 2: And I thank you so much for your time today.

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Speaker 15: Gareth, excellent, Thanks for uchchandri.

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Speaker 2: Sixteen after five Joy rights Andrew. My bloody rates when

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Speaker 2: up nineteen percent. Every time you get your rates that

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Speaker 2: contributes to inflation. You can talk about inflation as much

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Speaker 2: as you like. You can talk about the government spending,

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Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. You can do all the different factors.

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Speaker 2: But every time you get something that goes up, this

872
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: is the non tradable inflation. The rates, the rents, the

873
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 2: insurance premiums, the supermarket prices, et cetera. Every time you

874
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 2: get something like that, you are getting hit. So Joy

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Speaker 2: luckily is retired in her own home. She's on her own,

876
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 2: but she's saying it's tough. Inflation is still here. Love

877
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Speaker 2: your show, Thank you, Joy, Love you too. Pete wolf

878
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Speaker 2: Camp is my special guest in a moment news talks.

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Speaker 2: Now you may realize that Golas Garman has been spoken

880
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Speaker 2: to by police after a complaint that there was some

881
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 2: shoplifting a pack and say, but the thing is Pack

882
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: and Save never made the complaint. And the question is

883
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 2: how did the police know about it? Well, there's a

884
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Speaker 2: database and you may not know about it, but we're

885
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Speaker 2: going to introduce you to that just after the five

886
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Speaker 2: thirty news. But right now, almost a quarter of gen

887
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: Z adults would rather pay a professional to change a

888
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 2: light bulb than do it themselves because they're worried that

889
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 2: the light bulb is too hot. Actually data and this

890
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: is out of the United Kingdom, so that maybe they're

891
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 2: the softies. Records the gen z Is can fork out

892
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 2: up to two thousand, eight hundred New Zealand dollars a

893
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 2: year for professionals to do their household tasks because they

894
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Speaker 2: just don't do it and resident build it. And host

895
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Speaker 2: of our show on Sunday's Pete wolf Camp joints you, now,

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Speaker 2: how are Pete crazy hyphane ys here? This is pretty amazing,

897
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 2: is it true? Can gen Z do nothing?

898
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Speaker 3: Well?

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00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 16: I saw this the article as well, and I saw

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00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 16: something else the other only forty of them cook forty

901
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 16: percent could identify what.

902
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Speaker 7: A screwdriver looks like.

903
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Speaker 16: So we're off to a flying start there. Hey, look,

904
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 16: part of me goes, you know what, as a professional,

905
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 16: and like all of my colleagues looking for work, will

906
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 16: take your money, right, So if you want to pay

907
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,959
Speaker 16: us to do it, that's awesome. But at the same time,

908
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 16: we do want to encourage a little bit of self reliance.

909
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 16: So things like in this article, unblocking a sink, I'm

910
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 16: not so sure about the refreshing tile group heving go

911
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 16: up fixing ely sure, a little bit of repair to

912
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 16: a wall before painting. I laughed my head off it

913
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Speaker 16: with a suggestion that you should loosen a sticking door

914
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 16: by rubbing it down with sandpaper, you'll be there for days.

915
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 16: Rewiring a plug, I think stay away from that, to

916
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 16: be fair.

917
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 2: True true your question, Peter, did you install your Did

918
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Speaker 2: you install your own internet because you're dropping out every

919
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Speaker 2: now and a little bit every now and then, or

920
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Speaker 2: did you get a professional to do it?

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Speaker 5: No?

922
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Speaker 16: No, no, Actually, you know what, I actually kind of

923
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Speaker 16: did do it myself.

924
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Speaker 3: That's a lot.

925
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Speaker 2: Oh and there he's gone. That's briefly again, the screwdriver thing.

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Speaker 2: You're quite right. Thirty percent of those too, they could

927
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Speaker 2: not even identify as screwdriver, which means probably they couldn't

928
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Speaker 2: even identify as screw And what I thought when I

929
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Speaker 2: read that is that the first time I had a

930
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Speaker 2: screwdriver is when my dad gave me one. First time

931
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Speaker 2: I had a screwdrivers and Dad said, screw this in, boy,

932
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Speaker 2: and it was great fun, say with a hammer. Yes,

933
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Speaker 2: But also when I was at intermediate school, we did

934
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Speaker 2: manual training. Does that exist anymore? It doesn't does it.

935
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Speaker 3: Across the board.

936
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Speaker 16: So again, probably you and I are a similar vintage.

937
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Speaker 16: So when I went to school, there was you know,

938
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Speaker 16: woodwork classes, middle work classes, that sort of thing, and

939
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Speaker 16: everybody did it. It wasn't an elected subject as such.

940
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Speaker 16: And you're right, if you go to people's houses these days,

941
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Speaker 16: you might not find that there is the variety of

942
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Speaker 16: tools that there might have been in the garage that

943
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Speaker 16: you know, I grew up and let's say all our

944
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 16: family did. And then I had another thing today too.

945
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Speaker 16: I went out and did or I had to mount

946
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Speaker 16: a bracket onto a block wall, and I used to

947
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Speaker 16: rotary hammer, drill and a vacuum and a socket set

948
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Speaker 16: and some drill bits and a jack and a corking done,

949
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 16: and some timber and a sledgehammer. And I thought, okay,

950
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Speaker 16: if you don't have those things, how are you going

951
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 16: to do those jobs? True, so less people with tools,

952
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Speaker 16: and possibly that's driving it as well.

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Speaker 2: All right. Pete wolf Camp of course is on Sunday

954
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Speaker 2: morning doing the Breakfast Show. What a great show it

955
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Speaker 2: is as well. And if anybody can go and fix

956
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 2: his internet, because he put it in himself, that would

957
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: be really good and then he won't fall out every

958
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 2: now and then. But I thank you for your time.

959
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 2: It is five twenty two. It's news talks here. But

960
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 2: by the way, my kids, when they left home, I

961
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 2: went out and got them one of those little bags

962
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 2: that had a drill and also had all the screw

963
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: driving sets you might ever want, the drill sets, you want,

964
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 2: a level, a box cutter, all those sorts of things.

965
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 2: Because I said, boys, you're on your.

966
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: Own on the iHeart app and in your car on

967
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: your drive home it's Andrew Dickens on hither dupericy Alum

968
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: drive with one new Land.

969
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 3: Let's get connected news talks.

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00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 2: They'd be Yeah, it's five twenty five. You know, we

971
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 2: go on about teaching civics at school. You know, we

972
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: go on about teaching kids how to drive because you

973
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 2: need a driver's license to get jobs at school. But

974
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:14,959
Speaker 2: when I went to school, when I was eleven and twelve,

975
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 2: and when I was an intermediate, we did manual training,

976
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: and we did woodwork, and we did metal work, and

977
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: we also did cooking and sewing. At the age of eleven,

978
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 2: I was part of a class that was cooking a

979
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 2: bomb Alaska and it was a disaster, but I learned.

980
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 2: We also learned how to do an omelet. Now I

981
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 2: don't know does manual training still exist, is it compulsory?

982
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 2: And if not, why not? And is it a good idea?

983
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,919
Speaker 2: You can text me ninety two ninety two. And while

984
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 2: we're talking about education, there's been consternation at the past

985
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 2: levels of our last NCA exams. So the latest ones,

986
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 2: the results from last year show are twelve percent decline

987
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 2: and level one pass rates. And Erica Stanford gave a

988
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 2: couple of explanations. Schools have ditched Level one NCA. Those

989
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 2: schools are normally higher deessile schools than those kids. Those

990
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 2: schools normally did well in NCAA level one and brought

991
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 2: the average up. They had better results. And she also

992
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 2: recomed that the new compulsory numeracy and literary requirements made

993
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 2: things a little harder. But that's a good thing. But

994
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 2: what was little reported word than Maori figures and their

995
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 2: figures are worrying. Oh no, they're just They're just reading,

996
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 2: aren't they. Fifty seven point seven percent of Maori participants

997
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: pass reading compared to seventy eight point eight percent of Europeans.

998
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 2: Fifty five point one of Maori past writing compared to

999
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: seventy four percent of non Maori, and thirty eight point

1000
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: one percent of Maori passed numeracy thirty eight point one

1001
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 2: versus sixty three percent of European And the question I

1002
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 2: have is what do you think we should do about it?

1003
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 2: The Treaty principals debate has shown that many people don't

1004
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: believe you should do anything different for a kid if

1005
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: that difference is based on race. But I don't think

1006
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 2: Mari are not achieving just because of their race. It's

1007
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: because many live in lower deescile school areas. It's because

1008
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: their parents didn't do very well at education, and their parents'

1009
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 2: parents didn't and they don't get the jobs because they

1010
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: got a poor education and that denies them access to

1011
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 2: the better jobs, and therefore we end out in a

1012
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,919
Speaker 2: vicious circle and nothing changes. So do you have any

1013
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 2: suggestion of what Erica Stamford could do without appearing to

1014
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 2: give Maury an inequitable privilege which would upset David Seymour,

1015
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 2: because I'm sure Erica Stamford would gradly accept them. Because

1016
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 2: it's a thing coming up to five thirty the latest

1017
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 2: of news in Sport, and then we're talking to the

1018
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 2: guy who's got the database that watches you while you're

1019
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: retail spending that the police use to file a complaint

1020
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 2: against Gold's government. Maybe you didn't know about the system.

1021
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 2: You will soon.

1022
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: Getting the facts discarding the fluff. Is Andrew Dickens on

1023
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: Hither Duels Alan Drive with One New Zealand let's get

1024
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: connected news talks.

1025
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 3: That'd be we.

1026
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 17: Belong yelling cool duty.

1027
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 3: Weather.

1028
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 2: It feels like a Friday, but it's a Wednesday. But

1029
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: that's back to work for you, and I'm so glad

1030
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 2: you chose the program. My name is Andrew Dickinson for

1031
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 2: Heather T. C Allen and the time right now is

1032
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 2: twenty four minutes to six. So is there still manual

1033
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 2: training against school? And thank you to the text it

1034
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 2: says yes there is. It's called tech these days, cooking, sewing,

1035
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 2: woodwork and design. My son made a radio, my daughter

1036
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 2: a wooden lap table, and a neck pillow for travel.

1037
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 2: My eleven year old boy just baked some chocolate chip

1038
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 2: biscuits with no adult import This is because I was

1039
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: at work and he was in care of his older brother.

1040
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 2: He used the oven and the cake mixer at home.

1041
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 2: He followed the recipe and he tied it up, and

1042
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,720
Speaker 2: so when I got home, I had a very tasty biscuit.

1043
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: So they do use the manuals. So what's the story

1044
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 2: about gen Z actually always hiring a pro to do it?

1045
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 2: I don't know, but that you know what, that's possibly

1046
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: the most uplifting thing I've heard in news this entire

1047
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 2: week twenty three to six, Andrew time to talk about

1048
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 2: a thing called Aura.

1049
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 7: Now.

1050
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 2: Aura is a surveillance network that retailers use and can

1051
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 2: submit footage of shoplifting incidents to the police. So when

1052
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 2: former Green MP god Is government was spoken to by

1053
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 2: Pack and Save Security last year for suspected joplifting, pack

1054
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 2: and Save did not talk to the police, They did

1055
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 2: not make a complaint to the police, but they did

1056
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: record the incident on the system called AURA. Police have

1057
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 2: access to ORA apparently, and they have confirmed that how

1058
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 2: they found out about this latest incident with Gold's garment.

1059
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 2: So Phil Thompson is the CEO of AURA and he

1060
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 2: joins me right now. Hello, welcome to the program.

1061
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 8: Phil.

1062
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 2: Thanks and did you name that after Harry Potter?

1063
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 18: No, old Latin words for light, So keeping everyone safe?

1064
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 12: Right?

1065
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 2: So JK. Rowling stole it from Latin. You've stole it

1066
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 2: also from Latin, and that is good. So what do

1067
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 2: you guys actually do with this system?

1068
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 18: Yeah, I'm really useful to understand and mischaracterized as surveillance,

1069
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 18: but quite simply, we're our crime reporting platform. So retailers

1070
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 18: are capturing information on crimes and attempted crimes that happen

1071
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 18: in their stores and making that visible to their own

1072
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 18: head office and also to police. So it's a good

1073
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 18: chance for retailers to work closer with police run retail crime,

1074
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 18: because I think it's probably not as widely understood the

1075
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 18: problem itself, but across the country we've got a serious

1076
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 18: retail crime problem. You know, there's more than two million

1077
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 18: dollars every day being stolen. We're all paying more for

1078
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 18: our goods because of that. And actually there's a lot

1079
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 18: of violence associated with that crime as well. So of

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00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 18: all those retail crimes include some sort of threats of

1081
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 18: violence to people.

1082
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 2: I'd hate to say this, mate, that doesn't surprise anybody

1083
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 2: we know about this. So here's the question. How much

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Speaker 2: access do police have and can they look at everything

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Speaker 2: or any camera anytime any shop in New Zealand that

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Speaker 2: is using Aura.

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Speaker 18: No, they can't, So I think you know we are cameras,

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00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 18: we're not a surveillance system. Quite simply, retailers choose to

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00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 18: make the crimes that they witness in their stores visible

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00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 18: to police, and then it's up to police to determine

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Speaker 18: how they use it information to investigate further and solve

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00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 18: more crime. So it's a way for retail to provide information,

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00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 18: including evidence like video, to police more efficiently. It's we're

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00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,720
Speaker 18: just modernizing what's always happened, but rather than paper files

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00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 18: and USB sticks, we're making it digital much faster for

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Speaker 18: both sides.

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Speaker 2: And I know you don't want to talk about this

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00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 2: case that we have at the moment because it's in

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00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 2: process and all that sort of thing. But after what

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00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 2: you just said, how come pack and safe to to

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00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: make a complaint. But the police actually saw what happened.

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Speaker 18: So retailers generally provide visibility to crime events for the police,

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00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 18: and they often choose which ones they want to report

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00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 18: officially for further follow up. And often it comes down

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00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 18: to things like if it's a non repeat offender or

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00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 18: if it is someone who's high value. But often it's

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00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 18: almost like when you call Triple five right for dangerous

1108
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 18: driving that you see on the road yourself. You're not

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00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 18: making an official, complete please complaint, but you're providing them

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00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 18: with information of what you're seeing. It's how we keep

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00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 18: our community safe, and I think police having information around

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00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 18: crimes that occur in our community is a good thing

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00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 18: that that helps all of us rather than being seen

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00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 18: as a sinister thing.

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Speaker 2: I get that, and I see now how they were

1116
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 2: notified about where to look on the tape to find out,

1117
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 2: by the way, is there tape or no, of course

1118
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 2: it's not a memory stick or something.

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00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 18: Well, no, it's purely I mean the retailers now upload

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Speaker 18: their own evidence, so video footage, witness statements into the cloud,

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00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 18: and it makes it easier for police to download that

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00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 18: footage and then use it if they need to.

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Speaker 2: Are their text and balances in place to prevent the

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00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 2: footage from being missus.

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Speaker 18: Yes, there are so. Retailers and police have their own

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00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 18: policies around what information has uploaded, how it's used. And

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00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 18: also we've built a lot of safeguards and privacies by

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00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 18: design into the platform itself, so it's a restricted access

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00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 18: and use of the platform and only certain things like

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00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,240
Speaker 18: crimes and tymper crimes are visible to police within that platform.

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Speaker 2: And is the footage ever deleted? How long does it

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Speaker 2: sit there?

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Speaker 18: Yeah, retailers will keep information for as long as their

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00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 18: lawful purpose for doing so, and that is deleted when

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Speaker 18: it's no longer needed.

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Speaker 2: Very good. So how many retailers have signed up?

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Speaker 18: We work with probably most major retailers across New Zealand

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Speaker 18: and we're actually operating in Australia, the US and the

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00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 18: UK as well. And when a retail crime is a

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00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 18: massive problem right across the world, and like I said earlier,

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00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 18: you know, we as the consumer end up paying more

1142
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,760
Speaker 18: for our goods because of it, and also our frontline

1143
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 18: workers are the targets of this violence and threats in store.

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Speaker 2: It's very good. So if you if you've gotten the

1145
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 2: Furious Purpose, be warned you are being watched. Phil Thompson

1146
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Speaker 2: from Aura, thank you so much for your time today.

1147
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 2: It is now twenty three to six.

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00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southerbe's international Realty, local and

1149
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 1: global exposure like no other.

1150
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 2: And on the Huddle today, Jack Tavin, Tim Wilson, gentlemen.

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00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 3: Hello, goodieving.

1152
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 6: I didn't do my own internet, so I hope you

1153
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 6: can hear me.

1154
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 2: Jack.

1155
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 7: Are you there?

1156
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 2: Jack is muted?

1157
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 6: Oh no, you know what he's done his own Internet,

1158
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 6: just like Peter wolf Camp.

1159
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 2: Okay, it's the DIY plague. Okay, Jack, you have to

1160
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 2: take yourself off mute. Mate, Good luck. Now, gosh, this

1161
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 2: is like teens meetings gone terribly wrong.

1162
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 7: How am I the millennial the one struggling with it?

1163
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 12: How it's better to leave oneself on mute than to

1164
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 12: leave oneself on speaker?

1165
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 7: Well, inadvertently, she thought someone's colleagues.

1166
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 2: When it is very good, then we'll talking about the

1167
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 2: DIY later. I was so tempting to talk about it

1168
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:46,959
Speaker 2: right now and to make fun of Jack, but we won't.

1169
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. We just talked to Aura, we

1170
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 2: talked to Phil Thompson and the surveillance that is happening

1171
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 2: with people in retail shops. Some people freak out about

1172
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 2: that sort of thing a little bit. Are you, Tim

1173
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 2: Wilson concerned?

1174
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 6: No, No, it seems like sort of speed cameras for shoplifters,

1175
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,760
Speaker 6: if you want to put it that way, and please

1176
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 6: get to see see evidence of people nicking stuff. I

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00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 6: don't see that there's a problem here, you know. I'm

1178
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 6: not even not even sure why we're saying, oh, there

1179
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 6: is a problem. I think a good discussion, good interview

1180
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 6: you had with Phil Thompson about you know, the constraints

1181
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 6: around the privacies, obviously an issue as we're moving towards

1182
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 6: you know, greatest surveillance. But I think what we're doing

1183
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 6: here is connecting actions to consequences, which is a good thing.

1184
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 6: If there are fewer consequences to actions than our actions degrade.

1185
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 2: What do you think, Jack, And by the way, I've

1186
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 2: got a text from a fellow who said, oh boy,

1187
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 2: I hate the idea of face recognition everywhere. I still

1188
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 2: wear an M ninety five mask outside all over the

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Speaker 2: place because of that. You know so that there are

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Speaker 2: according to Ron.

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00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 12: Masks right about licens sure not to Yeah, okay, okay,

1192
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 12: each to their own. Look, I have absolutely no problem

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00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 12: with the system. Obviously, retail crime is a major issue.

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00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 12: Having having cameras operating in these big retail space is

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00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 12: just part of life in the twenty first century. And

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00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 12: because this comes as any great surprise and you've had

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00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 12: your hid in the sands, as far as I'm concerned,

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00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 12: I think there are probably legitimate questions and appropriate scrutiny

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Speaker 12: that needs to come with those who are accessing the information.

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Speaker 7: And you know, in some instances, if they are a

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00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 7: police who are deciding to.

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Speaker 12: Pursue investigations when a complaint hasn't been made, that sort

1203
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 12: of sort of thing sounds like it might be putting

1204
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,959
Speaker 12: things the wrong way around. But yeah, by and large,

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00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 12: I have absolutely no problem with it. And I think,

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00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 12: you know, if this is the sort of thing that

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00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 12: can help police get better data on where we're seeing

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00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 12: surges and retail crime and where responses to retail crime

1209
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 12: is more effective than other neighborhoods, then that's great.

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Speaker 2: Very good. Thank you so much, so good that you

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Speaker 2: are a mutant. Will talk more in just a few

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Speaker 2: moments time with Tim Wilson and Jack Tame, we're going

1213
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 2: to talk infation. We're going to talk about the you know,

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Speaker 2: worry the.

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Speaker 1: Huddle with New Zealand Soerby's International Realty Elevate the Marketing

1216
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: of your Home.

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Speaker 2: It is thirteen to eight Tomiston and Jack Tamer on

1218
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 2: the Huddle, the Big the Day. Of course, the inflation

1219
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 2: has stayed stuck. It's at two point two percent, but

1220
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 2: once again non treadable inflation on what they call domestic

1221
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 2: inflation remains high, and that's insurance premiums and rents and

1222
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 2: council rates, and they're still rising at a much much

1223
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 2: higher rate and always have than average inflation. So gentlemen,

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Speaker 2: and I'll start with you, Jack Taym, what do you

1225
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 2: make of the inflation figures? And you know, are we

1226
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 2: really fixing ourselves up or are we still stuck at

1227
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 2: a spiral?

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Speaker 7: No, it's frustrating. I mean, they're not wildly higher than what.

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00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 12: Most analysts we're picking, but obviously you always want inflation

1230
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 12: to be on the lower side if you're hoping the

1231
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 12: mortgage rates can be coming down a little bit faster.

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00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 12: I mean, it's really interesting though, looking at those parts

1233
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 12: that are proving stickier than others, right, insurance premiums, like

1234
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 12: you say, local council rates.

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Speaker 7: I mean, these things are only going to get worse.

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00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 12: And you know, part of that as a result of

1237
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 12: not having properly invested in some of our vital infrastructure

1238
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 12: over the decades. You know, there's a reason that councils

1239
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 12: are trying to play catch up when it comes to

1240
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 12: water infrastructure at the moment, they're obviously new regulations they've

1241
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 12: got to meet when they're providing the three Waters attor

1242
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 12: New Zealanders going forward, that's going to be pretty expensive.

1243
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 7: And insurance, I mean, I hate.

1244
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 12: To break it to you, but we're obviously moving into

1245
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 12: a world where we're going to see more and more

1246
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 12: extreme weather events, which means that actually insurance premiums are

1247
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 12: only going to be headed in one direction. And when

1248
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 12: it comes to inflation data, there are only really two

1249
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 12: ways to look at this. Either we just have to

1250
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 12: accept this is going to be a part of inflation

1251
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 12: data going forward, which seems like the likeliest, or there

1252
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 12: is an argument that you could strip it out of

1253
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 12: the inflation measures when it comes to something like the

1254
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 12: CPI so that you can have a CPR that doesn't

1255
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 12: actually take into account some of those some of those measures,

1256
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 12: and maybe gives us a lower rate, but I mean

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01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 12: at the end of the day, it's still costing us.

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01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, why would you do that, because that's just ignoring reality.

1259
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 2: You know, this is all inflation in one way or another.

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01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 6: Tim Yeah, I guess it's I mean, I think it's

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01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 6: interesting and interesting diagnostic, but it's sort of like, you know,

1262
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 6: you're agreeable in inflation, you disagree inflation if you stripped

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01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 6: it out. Look, I think there's ways that you can

1264
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 6: respond to this stuff, you know, on a personal level,

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01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 6: like insurance. Our car insurance went up by twenty five

1266
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 6: percent last year. We just went we found someone else

1267
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 6: to do it. So there are you know, there are measures.

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01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 6: Look at the inflation in Argentina, for example, in twenty

1269
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 6: twenty three, it was two hundred and twenty four percent.

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01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 6: They got it down over the next thirteen months. This

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01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 6: this month that's one hundred and seventeen percent, which was

1272
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 6: pretty significant. It's just very simple, don't borrow, don't spend

1273
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 6: what you don't have, and increased productivity. That latter part

1274
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 6: that productivity, that's a big question for our country going forward.

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01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, But you've got to remember there's a political

1276
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 2: thing in this as well, because at the end of

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01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:48,439
Speaker 2: the year, the Prime Minister and the Finance minister, we're

1278
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 2: pooping and haurrahing that look at this, we've actually tamed inflation.

1279
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 2: And then today you get it out and the economists

1280
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 2: are saying, well, look the dollars going down and the

1281
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 2: oil's going up, and there's a whole lot of overseas

1282
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 2: factors and yeah, inflation might accelerate. So it comes to

1283
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 2: whether their credibility exists in terms of economic management and

1284
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 2: that they've said it's gone when it hasn't gone.

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01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 3: Jack.

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01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 12: I mean when it comes to the central government, that

1288
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 12: there are only so many levers any one government can pull,

1289
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 12: and I mean I think I think you'd have to

1290
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 12: say that this government.

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01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 7: Has pulled a lot of the leavers that are available

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01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 7: to it.

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01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 12: I mean, whether or not the tax cuts for inflationy

1294
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 12: or not maybe a point of contention for some people,

1295
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 12: but I mean they've certainly stripped back a lot of

1296
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 12: public spending to where we were previously, which you would

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01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 12: would have a de inflation of effect.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, although they are a bit austerity a verse, aren't they.

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Speaker 6: I mean, to be fair, they've said austerity is not

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Speaker 6: going to work and maybe maybe they need to incline

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Speaker 6: more and growth.

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Speaker 12: If growth is the goal, then the austerity perhaps it

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Speaker 12: isn't isn't likely to work.

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Speaker 7: But at the end of the day, New Zealand is

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Speaker 7: at the end of the road like we are.

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Speaker 12: Just we are very much in the in the back

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Speaker 12: seat of the bus in terms of global affairs. So

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Speaker 12: you know, when you go over a bump, we get

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Speaker 12: thrown the just a little bit higher than everyone else,

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Speaker 12: which means you are susceptible to things like energy prices and.

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Speaker 7: To be fair, you know, and new administrations who are

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Speaker 7: looking at tariffs.

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Speaker 2: To be fair toom Wilson as well. If we've had

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Speaker 2: austerity light it's fair to say the the electorate hasn't

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Speaker 2: like even that. So if we actually went full ofcerity,

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Speaker 2: that's not good. If you actually lose all terms.

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Speaker 12: Argentina example, go and look at the coverty rates in

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Speaker 12: Argentina over the last couple of years. True, inflation is

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Speaker 12: massively down computer to where it was, but I think

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Speaker 12: you'll find that unemployment is massively up.

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Speaker 3: I was trying to cheer us up.

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Speaker 6: At least we don't have one hundred and sev inflation, so.

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Speaker 2: No, that's true's true. And also we don't have a

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Speaker 2: dead to equity ratio of two hundred and sixty three

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Speaker 2: percent late Japan.

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Speaker 3: So there we go.

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Speaker 2: There's a there's a good pick me up. Let's talk

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Speaker 2: about let's talk about DIY, Jack. I know you don't

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Speaker 2: know how to use a mute button, but i'd expect

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Speaker 2: you to be quite good at DIY since you're you're

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Speaker 2: a keen tramper, you're always tramping.

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Speaker 7: Of the many things that I suck at, there are

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Speaker 7: a few.

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Speaker 12: Maybe painting is the only thing that I'm worse at

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Speaker 12: than d Y or anything sort of artsy and crafty.

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Speaker 12: That being said, Andrew, if you go into your email

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Speaker 12: right now, you'll be pleased to know that I've been

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Speaker 12: spending my afternoon off hanging a.

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Speaker 7: Couple of oak floating shelves.

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Speaker 12: And the thing about your oak shelf is it's a

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Speaker 12: little bit heavier than others and so when you're hanging

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Speaker 12: it in plaster board, you need to use those plaster

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Speaker 12: board anchors, which can be very fidly. And I think

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Speaker 12: if you will go into your email, you have a

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Speaker 12: look at that photo and you should be able to

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Speaker 12: teach those.

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Speaker 7: Are at least they look jemlatively.

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Speaker 3: Even Jacks just started speaking a foreign language.

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Speaker 8: Can you translate for me?

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Speaker 2: Well, he's using the hooks in the plastic board. But

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Speaker 2: he could have actually looked for some joys so he

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Speaker 2: actually got a more concrete fixture. But he hasn't. He's

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Speaker 2: using tech man.

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Speaker 12: No, I've got an old house of the joyster, the

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Speaker 12: wrong the wrong height, So why I mean, you can

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Speaker 12: judge it my wife.

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Speaker 7: My wife's opinion is the one that's probably gonna matter.

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Speaker 12: We have to call it again tomorrow and say we've

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Speaker 12: had to go for the higher Harvey.

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Speaker 2: You know, well, now we can all sit there and

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Speaker 2: say we are the older generation and what's wrong with

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Speaker 2: the younger generation, which every older generation has always said

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Speaker 2: about the younger generation? And Jack and Tim, I thank

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Speaker 2: you for your time today.

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Speaker 3: It is now six to six, Red or blue, Trump

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Speaker 3: or Harris?

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Speaker 1: Who will win the battleground states? The latest on the

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Speaker 1: US election. It's Heather Duplicy Alan drive with one New

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Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected.

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Speaker 3: Use talks it be.

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Speaker 2: News talks h B. It is four to six it

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Speaker 2: is fair to say it's been a pretty heavy day

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Speaker 2: at work today. My company entered me has had to

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Speaker 2: make some changes because of on account of the economy,

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Speaker 2: to quote Bruce Springsteen, and there's a lot of people

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Speaker 2: out there in the newsroom who don't know what's going

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Speaker 2: to happen next. This is some restructuring happening. So it's

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01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 2: quite funny. I'm going to tell you the observation I

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01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 2: saw when we posted the story on The Herald and

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01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 2: also our news talks it be many of the Facebook

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01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 2: comments were like, well, serves you right, your left wing media,

1382
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:04,439
Speaker 2: legacy media, you know, serves you right, Go work, go broke.

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01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 2: When the same story got posted on radio in New

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01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 2: Zealand's funny enough, all the Facebook comments said, well, it

1385
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 2: serves you right, your right wing sills, your right wing sills,

1386
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 2: because the thought of us being biased to whatever has

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Speaker 2: nothing to do with the problems that are affecting the

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Speaker 2: media industry, not just in New Zealand but right around

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Speaker 2: the world. So let's talk about this next with a

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Speaker 2: guy who's running some media that has also been affected.

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Speaker 2: And some of you might say, well, he's just a

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Speaker 2: because left and he deserves it, But it's done, congreved

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Speaker 2: from the split off. But he's a keen observer of

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Speaker 2: everything that's happening with media and we will talk about

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Speaker 2: that in a few moments time. If you're willing to

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Speaker 2: have an open.

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Speaker 1: Mind keeping track of where the money is flowing. The

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Speaker 1: Business Hour with HEREW Dickins News.

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Speaker 3: Talks v.

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Speaker 2: Yes, good evening to you at A seven minutes out

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Speaker 2: to six on the twenty second of January. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for coming back to the program. My name is Andrew Dickinson.

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01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 2: For Heather to proceed, Allen and Ryan Bridge will be

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Speaker 2: replacing Heather on the Drivetime Show while she takes maternity leave.

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01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 2: And she's had a girl, Mackay, and people are still

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01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 2: texting wishing her and Barry all the very best, and

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Speaker 2: of course you would. So it's a heavy old day

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Speaker 2: at this company. Almost forty rolls are set to be

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01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 2: cut at The Herald's business desk and Newstalks heab Now

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Speaker 2: all these three brands are owned by New Zealand Media

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Speaker 2: and Entertainment commonly known as enz MEEE. We are restructuring

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01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 2: our newsroom operation. The editor of The Herald has said

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Speaker 2: in the press that the annual print advertising has fallen

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01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 2: by ten million dollars between twenty twenty two and twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four. Digital advertising was also down the same period,

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01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:10,919
Speaker 2: but not to the same extent. But when you don't

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01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 2: have ten million dollars worth of income, you can't employ

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Speaker 2: all the people you used to be able to employ.

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Speaker 2: We asked Murray if you'd talk with us. He would not.

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01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 2: We also asked anybody from nz ME to talk with us.

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Speaker 2: They would not. So today we're going to talk to

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Speaker 2: Duncan Grieve, who has been with the spinoff and I

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Speaker 2: had the spinoff. He hosts the Fold Media bug Gass.

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Speaker 2: Hello Duncan, Total Andrew. So it finally hit nz ME

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01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 2: because it's already hit TV and Z news Hub and

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Speaker 2: basically the rest of the industry, including you.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, that's correct. I mean it's not like this is

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Speaker 19: the first time in zed may spin hurt, but it's

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Speaker 19: probably the hardest that's been hurt.

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Speaker 2: So some people say it's because of politics, but of

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Speaker 2: course we kind of know if you're in the industry,

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Speaker 2: that's just bolded at. I actually had a cup of

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Speaker 2: coffee with Murray Kirkness over and in AKFA and he

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Speaker 2: seid what people don't understand is that this is an

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Speaker 2: industry wide problem. It's an industry wide problem in New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: and in fact it's an industry wide problem right around

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Speaker 2: the world.

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Speaker 19: Is he right, Yeah, he's absolutely right. Like if you

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Speaker 19: if you paid too much attention to the media, as

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01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 19: I have the misfortune of doing this. This is a

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01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 19: weekly you know, all over all over the world you

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01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 19: see like massive job cuts, but you also see you know,

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01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 19: as we did last year with news have you see

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01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 19: brands just disappearing completely? So you know, in New Zealand,

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Speaker 19: unlike a lot of the other sort of anglosphere countries,

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01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 19: you know, it's its economy is going backwards. They're you know,

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01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:49,599
Speaker 19: the media and other countries is going backwards even though

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01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 19: their economies are going forward. So in some you know

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Speaker 19: o bleak respects, it's surprising to me that there's not more,

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Speaker 19: you know, more and deeper cuts. And you know, it

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Speaker 19: wouldn't shock me if this was just setting off another

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01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 19: year of that, and and it might not be anything

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Speaker 19: like the biggest we're going to see.

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Speaker 2: Is it because the public have lost trust in the media.

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Speaker 19: I don't I wouldn't want to completely discount that, but

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Speaker 19: I think that it's the public has never completely trusted

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01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 19: the media, Let's be honest. And you know, as pains

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Speaker 19: to say that, what matters less is whether you trust

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01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 19: the media as a whole as an institution. It metters

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01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 19: whether you trust the media you consume just the same

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Speaker 19: as you know, you might not trust one lot of politicians,

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01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 19: but as long as you trust your local electorate MP,

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01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 19: you're okay. I think the much bigger problem is that

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01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 19: we've got it. We've just got a sort of a

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Speaker 19: structural issue with the sort of financial underpinnings of the media.

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Speaker 19: It was previously wholly and relatively well funded by advertising.

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Speaker 19: Now it's increased and the audiences which have to pay,

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Speaker 19: and it's just taking a while for people to realize that.

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Speaker 19: And the longer it takes, the smaller it gets.

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Speaker 2: And that means we don't have journalists. And the question

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Speaker 2: will be, because there has been just the most remarkable year,

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Speaker 2: do we have enough journalists left in the country to

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Speaker 2: properly report the news? Because you know, these social citizen

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Speaker 2: journalists who are on social media, they believe they can

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Speaker 2: report the news, but many of them are actually finding

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Speaker 2: the news from a real journalist who works in legacy

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Speaker 2: media and then forwarding their spin on it.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, I think, I mean that's a perfect encapsulation of it.

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Speaker 19: I think that when people say they get their news

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01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 19: from TikTok or Facebook or Instagram, most commonly what they're

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01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 19: talking about is someone who will recap particular elements of

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Speaker 19: the news, whether it's in a vertical video or a

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01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 19: two hundred and eighty character format. But those people aren't

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01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 19: almost never doing original reporting. They're just simply reading original

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Speaker 19: reporting from somewhere else and broadcasting it to their audience. So,

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Speaker 19: you know, your fundamental problem remains. You know, the work

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Speaker 19: of journalism is hard and expensive and not always popular,

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01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 19: but they're the mechanism to fund its production just just

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01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 19: isn't there anymore. And that's why you know that the

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Speaker 19: feed digital News Bargaining Bill has been such a contentious

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Speaker 19: issue lately. But the idea that social media can replace

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Speaker 19: what you know journalism as a does, as a as

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01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 19: a function for society and democracy, as fastical and doesn't

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Speaker 19: stand up to even the most basic Scrudinay, okay, so what.

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Speaker 2: Have we got for a business model? Michael bogs Boggsy,

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01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 2: as we call our CEO, says, video is the fast

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Speaker 2: growing area where INSI me could grow its audience. Now,

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Speaker 2: to be fair, none of us know what he's talking about,

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Speaker 2: do you.

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Speaker 19: I mean, I do to an extent that there's sort

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Speaker 19: of you knows. There's two key revenue trends for journalism,

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01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 19: right There's there's audiences, and there's advertisers. Advertisers and particularly

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Speaker 19: the media agencies that represent them, really love video advertising.

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01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 19: It's a close cousin to TV advertising, which used to

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01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 19: be you know, the biggest noise in media is from

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Speaker 19: a funding perspective, so everyone people still want to buy that.

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Speaker 19: So if you can create inventory, then plausibly you know

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01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 19: that that's a that's a great business. The thing is,

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Speaker 19: I think when someone goes to the Herald site or

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Speaker 19: goes to the news b site, they want to consume

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Speaker 19: a particular form. Maybe it's audio, maybe it's text. The

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Speaker 19: video is for the most part autoplays. It's a bit

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Speaker 19: of an annoyance where the Herald, I think, potentially have

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Speaker 19: a point and a play is on YouTube, which is

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Speaker 19: rapidly becoming the biggest thing in advertising anywhere. And Herald's

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Speaker 19: actually had some real success with putting video, whether it's

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Speaker 19: short documentaries or just News can use packages on there

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Speaker 19: and that has a fifty five to forty five revenue share.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, okay, so there is a case there.

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Speaker 19: It's not proven, but it's plausible.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's plausible. But at the same time, I know,

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Speaker 2: being in the industry, we were told the podcasts were

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Speaker 2: the futures, but we still haven't quite figured out how

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Speaker 2: to monetize podcasts. And if we could, because we do

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Speaker 2: such great podcasts, we wouldn't have the problems that we've

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Speaker 2: got at the moment. Anyway, Can I just ask you finally,

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Speaker 2: how are you going at the spin off? Because when

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Speaker 2: you hit these walls of advertising drying up, you went

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Speaker 2: to get more paying subscribers to that Bear Fruit.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, well, we're sort of you know, as Shane reported

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01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 19: on last year, we hit a bit of a wall

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Speaker 19: in November of last year, and we wrote an open

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Speaker 19: letter which which kind of laid out to our audience

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Speaker 19: what was going on and what we needed them to do.

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Speaker 19: And we're by no means out of the woods, but

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Speaker 19: we've been really, really hort by their response. And I

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Speaker 19: do think there's something in saying to your audience, this

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Speaker 19: is how it has to be and letting them decide

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01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 19: ultimately the scale of your organization. So you know, if

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Speaker 19: you're listening to this and you enjoy the Herald, but

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01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:18,639
Speaker 19: you're not a subscriber, I would strongly suggest that if

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Speaker 19: you want it to be around and you want it

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01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 19: to continue to provide the function that does for you

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Speaker 19: in your life, but you don't just look at the

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Speaker 19: free version that you that you pick up A paid's

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Speaker 19: up to.

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Speaker 2: All right, and I think you for your time, don

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Speaker 2: can grieve. It is now six fifteen. This is news

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Speaker 2: Talks hereb.

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Speaker 1: Analysis from the experts bringing you everything you need to

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01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 1: know on the US selection. It's the Business Hour with

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicity, Allen and my Hr Ehr solution for busy

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Speaker 1: SMEs used talks, it'd be.

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Speaker 2: New s talks, HEB, I've had a texture. This is well.

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Speaker 2: Come on, look how intmb entities reported on Elon must

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Speaker 2: salute this week. That's a clear example of why people

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01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 2: no longer trust the legacy media. And I have to

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01:15:58,320 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 2: agree with this one because I made a complaint about

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Speaker 2: it because many places, including Murdo me here around the

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Speaker 2: place just did a thing. This is because we don't

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Speaker 2: have many journalists. We don't have we've got a lot

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Speaker 2: of kids and all that, and it said outrage at

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Speaker 2: Elon musk salute. My thought, oh boy, that's going to

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Speaker 2: go down a tree, isn't it. And it did and

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Speaker 2: people went, well, look at that, your left wingers. You know,

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Speaker 2: I saw another headline on a website that said raised

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Speaker 2: eyebrows at Elon musk Salute and it had the video.

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Speaker 2: And let you make your own mind up, because certainly

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Speaker 2: there were some raised eyebrowsers, like, did I just see

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Speaker 2: what I just saw? That was better than outrage? But

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Speaker 2: can I tell you that probably half the papers in

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Speaker 2: the world ran with outrage at Elon musk salute. So

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Speaker 2: you know, we make mistakes, right, but if you defund

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Speaker 2: us even more, we'll make even more mistakes. It is

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Speaker 2: six nineteen. The Orders to General has fed up with

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Speaker 2: government departments spending money without reporting on what they're spending achieves.

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Speaker 2: So what they have, the Order to General wants to

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Speaker 2: do is change the law to track what comes with

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Speaker 2: government policies and programs. So what's the story here? Tonay

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Speaker 2: tips Rainy is The Herald's Willington business editor and joins you, now,

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Speaker 2: hello today today, Andrew, what does the Order to General want.

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Speaker 17: Well, I had a chat to the Order to General

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Speaker 17: the other day and he is really worried about the

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Speaker 17: fact at budget time governments allocate money to various initiatives.

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Speaker 17: You know, that catches the headlines, it's all over the news,

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Speaker 17: but then in the future we often don't know what

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Speaker 17: comes of that money. We don't actually know what has

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Speaker 17: been achieved. Now, an example he pointed to was the

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Speaker 17: Provincial Growth Fund. Our listeners might remember this one. It's

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Speaker 17: a New Zealand first initiative launched under the Labor led

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Speaker 17: government in twenty eighteen. That was three billion dollars allocated

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Speaker 17: to various projects in the regions, you know, aimed at

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Speaker 17: economic development, so on and so on. But do we

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Speaker 17: really know what's come of that three billion? Like we know,

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Speaker 17: you know which projects have been funded, but there has

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Speaker 17: been no sort of checking up on what's been achieved

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Speaker 17: and figuring out what it's actually done. So John Ryan,

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Speaker 17: the Order General, his seven year term is coming to

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Speaker 17: an end at the middle of this year, and it

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Speaker 17: seems like he's really sort of upping the ante, kind

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Speaker 17: of raising his concerns quite publicly to the media about

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Speaker 17: the quality and the level of reporting and accountability.

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Speaker 2: And that is good because of course the new government

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Speaker 2: came in and said, we're going to look at all

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Speaker 2: this sort of stuff and we're going to go through

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Speaker 2: it line by line and we're going to forensically account

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Speaker 2: for everything. They haven't been doing it. And this is

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Speaker 2: what the Order to General is actually finally requiring from

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Speaker 2: government departments.

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Speaker 4: Good on you.

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Speaker 2: Does it require a law change?

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Speaker 17: Yeah, so this is just his idea. I think what

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Speaker 17: the government is wanting to do is cut spending. He's

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Speaker 17: saying we need to know what the spending actually does.

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Speaker 17: He reckons A way to do this would be to

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Speaker 17: change the Public Finance Act. That's the law that sort

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Speaker 17: of oversees how the stuff is reported. I asked Nichola

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Speaker 17: Willis what she thinks, and she said she was in

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Speaker 17: too changes. Now, this issue might be investigated by the

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Speaker 17: Finance and Expenditure Committee. That's a parliamentary committee made up

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Speaker 17: of MPs. Nichola Willa said, you know, if that happens,

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Speaker 17: you'll take advice from the committee. Otherwise it's something that

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Speaker 17: she might have a look into herself.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 17: Now, look, John Ryan says it's important that the public's

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Speaker 17: engaged in this because you know, for the sake of

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Speaker 17: trust and confidence in the public sector. The stuff is important.

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Speaker 2: Do you reckon that? Brian Roach and John Ryan are

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Speaker 2: mates and they've been talking over the barbecue.

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Speaker 17: Well, it certainly looks like it, so it's right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 17: Brian Roach is the Public Service Commissioner, and readers of

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Speaker 17: The Herald might remember that last week we did a

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Speaker 17: story he came out and talked to us as well

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Speaker 17: about the need for the public sector to be modernized

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Speaker 17: and better reporting and so on. So they are singing

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Speaker 17: off the same song.

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Speaker 2: Sheet that's great today. I thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: your time today. And of course that story reported on

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Speaker 2: the Hell that more of the left wing dross that

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Speaker 2: we actually commit every day, because you know, we'll like that. Somebody,

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Speaker 2: if Tony Acy writes news is free. If it's not free,

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Speaker 2: it's not news. If inzi me don't do the news

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Speaker 2: for free, then someone now is will will they will will?

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Speaker 13: They?

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Speaker 2: Just will they will they? This is probably complaining about

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Speaker 2: the paywall. Okay, Now, I guess what water is a

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Speaker 2: human right? Is plumbing free? You know, maybe it should

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01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 2: be free so that we can get the water, so

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Speaker 2: that we can all live. Just to thought six twenty.

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Speaker 1: Two, everything from SMEs to the big corporates. The Business

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Speaker 1: Hour with Andrew Dickens and My HR the HR Solution

1653
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 1: for busy SMS on News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: It's six twenty five. We're going to look at the

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Speaker 2: markets right now. We've got Jeremy Hatton from Milford Asset

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Speaker 2: Management with US.

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Speaker 7: Hello, Jeremy, Hi, Andrew.

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Speaker 2: Trump is back. The S and P was strangely unmoved over.

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Speaker 2: They must affected it. Then what about inz X?

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Speaker 20: Yeah, Trump is back and there are a whole bunch

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Speaker 20: of potential impacts on insid X listed companies and the

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Speaker 20: New Zealand economy as a whole. I'll start with Fisher

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Speaker 20: and pluck Or Healthcare. So there our largest listed company

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Speaker 20: and they're exposed through two different limbs. So firstly, around

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Speaker 20: fifty percent of their medical devices are sold in the US,

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Speaker 20: so perhaps there will be some impact here on demand

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Speaker 20: if tariffs are put in place. But also Fisher and

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Speaker 20: Pikel has a substantial manufacturing base in Mexico. Around sixty

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Speaker 20: percent of their manufacturing product is based there, and Mexico

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Speaker 20: does seem to be in Trump's sites a lot more.

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Speaker 20: Now Fisher and Pikel does have manufacturing in New Zealand

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Speaker 20: as well, and of course that can be sent across

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Speaker 20: to the US, but that does depend a little bit

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Speaker 20: on the cost and the tariff differential between US in Mexico.

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Speaker 20: But perhaps at the very least you could see an

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Speaker 20: increase in freight cost for Fisher and pikeal healthcare and

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Speaker 20: perhaps a small profit hit as well.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so no media impact, but watch the space it

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Speaker 2: could be coming. What about renewable energy and wind could

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01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 2: that be impacted?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 20: Trump does have renewable inn energy and the subsidies for

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Speaker 20: those into sites in particular so Biden's Inflation and Reduction Act.

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Speaker 20: There has been a huge boom of on shure on

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Speaker 20: offshore wind developments and also some solar projects too in

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Speaker 20: the US. And we have a business also listed on

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Speaker 20: the Zidex Infratil and they have a portfolio company called

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Speaker 20: Long Road Energy and they are a large developer of

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Speaker 20: renewable energy in the US. So Long Road is about

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Speaker 20: fourteen percent of Infantool's value. So it will be impactful

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Speaker 20: and has been talked about in the market as having

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Speaker 20: a bit of Trump risk, But there are a few

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Speaker 20: comments encountered to this risk most of Long Road's development

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Speaker 20: pipeline is solar and batteries. Only six percent of the

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Speaker 20: pipeline is wind, and Trump does seem a lot more

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01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:50,719
Speaker 20: fixated on wind and know the killing of the birds

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Speaker 20: from this wind and then finally a lot more sorry.

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Speaker 20: And a lot of these Long Road solar projects are

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Speaker 20: in red states, mainly Texas in Arizona, and so you

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Speaker 20: might get some pushback from fellow Republicans, particularly if it

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01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 20: starts to impact jobs in these states.

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Speaker 2: Very good stuff. Jeremy Hardon from Milford Act Management, I

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time today, and the

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Speaker 2: time is now six twenty eight and I've got to

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Speaker 2: text through saying Andrew, rents are up four point five percent.

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01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 2: Went landlords given a tax break to try and curb

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Speaker 2: rent rises? Yeah it didn't work though. All right, still

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Speaker 2: to come Barbachawla from the Indian New Zealand Business Council

1709
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 2: because they're still talking about FTA, and also Gavin Gray

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Speaker 2: from the UK. We mean business. This is New Storksbee today.

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Speaker 3: Oh aren't you on?

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Speaker 16: Need you olga.

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Speaker 3: Need these beautiful things that are If it's to do

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Speaker 3: with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Andrew Dickens and my HR the

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01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:11,680
Speaker 1: HR solution for busy SMS on US talks it be.

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Speaker 5: Can make this?

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Speaker 3: Can myself?

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Speaker 2: You ourselb every week. Welcome back to the program. I'm Andrew.

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Speaker 2: It's twenty four minutes to seven. Pictory of the day.

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Speaker 2: Of course, inflation which is static, but our domestic in

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Speaker 2: place is still very high. The non tradable stuff, you know,

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Speaker 2: the rents, the rates, the insurance, and of course people

1724
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:43,320
Speaker 2: are pointing out that even though people who landlords who

1725
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 2: rent out houses got a substantial three billion dollar tax

1726
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:50,639
Speaker 2: break from the incoming government a here ago, of course

1727
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 2: they're still having to deal with the main inputs, which

1728
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 2: are council rates, interest rates and insurance. So you can

1729
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 2: see all the things that are contributing to high domestic

1730
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 2: inflation which is still a zero point five percent, which

1731
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 2: has Nicola worse. Tommy is down and that's good news,

1732
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 2: but it's still high, isn't it. The important inflation is

1733
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:15,720
Speaker 2: way down in the low ones, so you know it's

1734
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 2: here to stay. I'm afraid to say it is twenty

1735
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 2: three minutes to seven, Dickens. So the hunt for the

1736
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 2: mythical free trade agreement with India continues but here's some

1737
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 2: good news. India has started to sound out some of

1738
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 2: its largest businesses to hear what they think about that

1739
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 2: potential free trade deal with US. The Indian government sent

1740
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 2: an email to members of the Federation of Indian Chambers

1741
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 2: of Commerce and Industry asking for feedback on the idea

1742
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:49,559
Speaker 2: of starting trade negotiations. So Badata Chala is the chair

1743
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:52,120
Speaker 2: of the Indian New Zealand Business Council and joins me, Now,

1744
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:52,799
Speaker 2: how about.

1745
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 5: It, Hi Andrew?

1746
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:56,639
Speaker 2: How are you very good? This is good for New Zealand.

1747
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:59,200
Speaker 2: It is a sign at least in the government, the

1748
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 2: Indian governments to ask businesses what can we do with

1749
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 2: New Zealand.

1750
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 13: I think it's wonderful, wonderful news and it actually it

1751
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:10,599
Speaker 13: took time, but it's getting getting somehow I can get

1752
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:11,679
Speaker 13: better idea for everyone.

1753
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:14,280
Speaker 2: Yes, you say it takes time, and we've been talking

1754
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:17,840
Speaker 2: about this for at least seven years, so this might

1755
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 2: this might be the first step. But you know, are

1756
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 2: we ahead? Do we have another seven years ahead of us?

1757
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 13: I think if you see government, the current government have

1758
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 13: done a lot in last year by going to Indian

1759
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:36,800
Speaker 13: building that relationship between diplomats and the government. If I

1760
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 13: take the six years before that were we're pretty much

1761
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 13: not not well in terms of the travel and discussion

1762
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 13: with the government.

1763
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 7: Is that correct?

1764
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 13: So I think that's that I'll discount that six years

1765
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:51,160
Speaker 13: and said that this year has been wonderful or last

1766
01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 13: year have been wonderful.

1767
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 2: Good, that's true. Now, if the private sector starts saying, yeah,

1768
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:58,920
Speaker 2: we're a little bit interested, that would make things happen faster,

1769
01:26:59,000 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 2: wouldn't it.

1770
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 13: I think from an India perspective, private sector gets a

1771
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 13: kind of a sale to do it. So it's again,

1772
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 13: it will not happen immediately. I think I'm not saying

1773
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,800
Speaker 13: that it will happen tomorrow, but it's a direction which

1774
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:16,679
Speaker 13: we want to see and with coming months or years

1775
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 13: you will see more improvements or more positives in the relationship.

1776
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:25,960
Speaker 2: So look, what exactly would India want to import from

1777
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:27,840
Speaker 2: New Zealand? What could we sell them? What would they

1778
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:28,559
Speaker 2: want from us?

1779
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 13: I think a lot of time, if you see I

1780
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 13: was in India two weeks ago, what they want is

1781
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:40,280
Speaker 13: more about how we can provide the technology transfers, or

1782
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 13: we can provide about investments in India in terms of

1783
01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 13: manufacturing sector, or even improve the tourism sector or other

1784
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 13: areas even against the primary industries are doing well towards

1785
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 13: getting to the direction of positivity.

1786
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 2: Well, you say saying manufacturing and you're saying technology because

1787
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:58,719
Speaker 2: of because we always instantly think, you know, primary products

1788
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 2: that make beef and milk and all the lamb and

1789
01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff. But you're you're saying that

1790
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:07,320
Speaker 2: the India would be more interested in how we make

1791
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:10,760
Speaker 2: the meat, the beef, the lamb and the milk, then

1792
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 2: the milk and the and the beef.

1793
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 13: I'm not I'm not saying that we don't want that

1794
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 13: within there, but like the Focus which has been working

1795
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 13: on that. What else News and can give? So what

1796
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 13: we are doing with India now and we can improve

1797
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:27,559
Speaker 13: on that. But if you see example of Racon which

1798
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:32,559
Speaker 13: have provided the transmitters for the chand Ryan three space program.

1799
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 13: So there are a lot News and can offer. We

1800
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:38,439
Speaker 13: have a good startup ecosystem, we have good tech. Tech

1801
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:41,160
Speaker 13: companies are doing some work like road marking in India

1802
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 13: software is done by a news and company. So there's

1803
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 13: a lot happening. So we we we always called dairy

1804
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 13: or meat or TV. They're already working hard to get there.

1805
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 13: But we need to open more doors within the Also.

1806
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 2: Yes, I saw the photographs that India took of the

1807
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:59,639
Speaker 2: Moon because they said SA so they sped a spaceship

1808
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:01,719
Speaker 2: to the And yes, we have some very good rocket

1809
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,759
Speaker 2: engineers here and so we could help in many different ways.

1810
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 2: What could we offer India to make the deal more

1811
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 2: attractive because we already have pretty low tariffs internationally and

1812
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 2: with India. So what have we got that we that

1813
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:15,280
Speaker 2: could make them go, oh great, we're in.

1814
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:18,800
Speaker 13: See if you see all the deals of India are

1815
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:21,680
Speaker 13: also one of the lines of people movement. Example, we're

1816
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 13: talking about how many people we can travel from India

1817
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 13: at what kind of visas are there making the process

1818
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:30,519
Speaker 13: more smoother. At the same time, the technology which helps

1819
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:33,640
Speaker 13: India to increase this productivity, and we do have some

1820
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:36,240
Speaker 13: good technologies to work on that. In terms of when

1821
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 13: we said daily farming, we talk about robotics in giving

1822
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:42,679
Speaker 13: fruit picking or apple fruit picking. So there are things

1823
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:46,160
Speaker 13: apart from what we are doing now. So if you

1824
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 13: see the work it has Justay is doing, or from

1825
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 13: AIRA is doing, or Apple and Peer are doing. They're

1826
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 13: doing great work, but some more sweetening can help things

1827
01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 13: get there.

1828
01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 2: I can see that So with all this good news

1829
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 2: that the Indian government has asked for consultation from private

1830
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:05,599
Speaker 2: companies and how they're feeling about things, do you think

1831
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:08,840
Speaker 2: it's realistic to think we might really start real negotiations

1832
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:09,840
Speaker 2: in the next couple of years.

1833
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:13,320
Speaker 13: I think we should start faster than that. I can

1834
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:16,799
Speaker 13: sider that because see India also is looking for more partners.

1835
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:19,800
Speaker 13: If you see India five years ago was different to

1836
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 13: what it's today. They are doing faster deal signing. If

1837
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 13: I say currently there are around ten to eleven agreements

1838
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:32,479
Speaker 13: are in discussion with India with other countries, so they

1839
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:34,599
Speaker 13: can if they want to do a free trade agreement

1840
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:37,439
Speaker 13: or do they want to do any comprehensive agreement, they

1841
01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 13: can sign in one year to eighteen months.

1842
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 7: Also, wells is fast now.

1843
01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 2: That is great and let's hope, sir, because I think

1844
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 2: we'd be great friends together and we do some good

1845
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 2: business together. And Baata, I would like to thank you

1846
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:51,160
Speaker 2: very much for your time today. That's Barachola, who is

1847
01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 2: the Indian New Zealand Business Council chair. It is now

1848
01:30:55,200 --> 01:31:00,320
Speaker 2: seventeen minutes to seven, So I'm Andrew because next weekend.

1849
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 2: For the next three months, Ryan Bridge who's currently hosting

1850
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:04,080
Speaker 2: the Breakfast Show, will be your host on the Drive

1851
01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 2: Show while Heather is away on maternity leave. And this

1852
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:08,560
Speaker 2: morning I was listening to Ryan and he made a

1853
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:11,759
Speaker 2: very real note that he went to the Luke Holmb's

1854
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:14,120
Speaker 2: concert at Eden Park and he went past a bike

1855
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 2: park that was set up by at and he said, look,

1856
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:18,679
Speaker 2: how ridiculous this is. There was only one bike parked.

1857
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:21,479
Speaker 2: Edit and of course criticized at a bit, but I

1858
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:23,639
Speaker 2: would like to criticize the people who didn't use the bike.

1859
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 2: The question is who rides to Eden Park? And I

1860
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 2: was screaming at the radio.

1861
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:27,800
Speaker 20: I do.

1862
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:31,000
Speaker 2: I ride to Eden Park. I've been riding to Eden

1863
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:33,200
Speaker 2: Park for decades, since I was a kid at school

1864
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:36,240
Speaker 2: to go and see cricket tests. And it's only become

1865
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:38,760
Speaker 2: easier in recent years with the event of the north

1866
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 2: Western Cycleway. Because the north Western Cycleway from the city

1867
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:45,640
Speaker 2: to Eden Park is flat right. I can tell you

1868
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 2: I can get from the bottom of Queen Street to

1869
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:50,799
Speaker 2: Eden Park in ten minutes on a bicycle ten minutes,

1870
01:31:51,439 --> 01:31:54,080
Speaker 2: and then when I get there, I can park within

1871
01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:56,000
Speaker 2: five minutes of the front door. I don't know have

1872
01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:59,719
Speaker 2: to worry about car parks. I've been riding to cricket matches,

1873
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:01,800
Speaker 2: I've been adding to rugby games, and I've been riding

1874
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 2: to concerts now that they have concerts at Eden Park.

1875
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:07,720
Speaker 2: I don't ride if I'm intending to drink. But that's

1876
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:10,040
Speaker 2: exactly the same decision I make if I'm trying to

1877
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:12,640
Speaker 2: decide whether to take a car. If I'm deciding to

1878
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:14,960
Speaker 2: drink or the weather is ugly, I take a train,

1879
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 2: which again drops me off a couple of hundred meters

1880
01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:19,479
Speaker 2: from the ground. What is the benefit of me riding

1881
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:23,920
Speaker 2: a bike to Eden Park? Well, number one, no traffic

1882
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 2: jams at all. At number two I park, it provided

1883
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:29,800
Speaker 2: bike wrecks five meters from the entry door, like I've

1884
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:32,479
Speaker 2: told you. And number three the big one. It's cheap.

1885
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:36,040
Speaker 2: In fact, it is I can tell you the cost free.

1886
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:40,599
Speaker 2: It costs nothing. There is no search charging from ubers

1887
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:45,280
Speaker 2: and taxis, and there's no parking charges. So knock biking

1888
01:32:45,320 --> 01:32:49,320
Speaker 2: if you want Ryan and everybody else. Knock biking if

1889
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:53,200
Speaker 2: you like sitting in traffic jams. Knock biking. If you

1890
01:32:53,320 --> 01:32:55,280
Speaker 2: like paying one hundred bucks for a cab on top

1891
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:59,080
Speaker 2: of your two hundred buck event ticket, Knock biking if

1892
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 2: you love taking hours to get home. And whenever I

1893
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:03,720
Speaker 2: do this sort of thing, people go, well, you're a

1894
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:07,880
Speaker 2: virtue signaling dumb ass greenie. I'd like to object to that.

1895
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:11,400
Speaker 2: I'm not a dumb ass greenie. I'm a cheap ass.

1896
01:33:12,479 --> 01:33:14,599
Speaker 2: To be fair, I don't do it for the look.

1897
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 2: I do it because I have a choice, and i'd

1898
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:20,040
Speaker 2: like to thank everyone who's given me that choice. Go

1899
01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:21,599
Speaker 2: Downey from the UK next.

1900
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:26,280
Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's ridiculous with

1901
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:28,959
Speaker 1: the business hour, fun news talks.

1902
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 3: That'd be.

1903
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:33,200
Speaker 2: Through Andrew is a female. There is no way I'll

1904
01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 2: be riding a bike home from eden Park at nighttime.

1905
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 2: Of course you can't. Of course you wouldn't. Even though

1906
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:39,600
Speaker 2: my partner rides home with me. She's fine with it.

1907
01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:40,280
Speaker 6: Ah.

1908
01:33:40,439 --> 01:33:42,320
Speaker 2: But you know, this is called a choice. It's freedom

1909
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 2: of choice, and I don't mind having the choice. I

1910
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:45,760
Speaker 2: can choose to ride a bike, I can choose to

1911
01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:47,080
Speaker 2: take a care of I can choose to take a

1912
01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:49,760
Speaker 2: train or sometimes I could choose to walk. Sometimes I

1913
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:52,240
Speaker 2: wouldn't walk home from eden Park. The other thing I

1914
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:55,640
Speaker 2: want to say briefly, Garth Hudson has died from the

1915
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:59,000
Speaker 2: band last surviving member, so and is going to play

1916
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:01,320
Speaker 2: a band song before we finish the show. But of

1917
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:04,400
Speaker 2: course ANNs has no idea about the band. But I'm

1918
01:34:04,439 --> 01:34:06,280
Speaker 2: going to let him choose, or you can choose by

1919
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:08,560
Speaker 2: texting me. So the choice that we have is the

1920
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:10,800
Speaker 2: weight up on Cripple Creek all the night they drove

1921
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:14,040
Speaker 2: Old Dixie down. So which one of those three would

1922
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:15,960
Speaker 2: you like? And then we'll let ans have a listen

1923
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:18,200
Speaker 2: to these songs while I'm talking to Gail Downey and

1924
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:21,639
Speaker 2: he can figure he can figure out what he wants

1925
01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:24,000
Speaker 2: to play, So that's exciting. Gail Downey from the UK.

1926
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:24,479
Speaker 2: How are you?

1927
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:27,479
Speaker 21: Oh, I'm very well, Thank you, Andrew.

1928
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:29,800
Speaker 2: How are you good? Do you have a favorite band song?

1929
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:31,960
Speaker 8: Oh?

1930
01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:35,559
Speaker 21: I don't think I do. My music is tastes are

1931
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:38,360
Speaker 21: a bit kind of whatever's going on at the time.

1932
01:34:38,280 --> 01:34:40,599
Speaker 2: Right, No, okay, that's all good. I know it's very ancient,

1933
01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:43,160
Speaker 2: the Last Waltz and all that. I saw some pictures

1934
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:45,320
Speaker 2: of that hotel fire at the ski resort in Turkey

1935
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:46,720
Speaker 2: that looked horrific.

1936
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 21: Absolutely dreadful, and unfortunately the death toll has now risen

1937
01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 21: to seventy six people, including a ten year old girl

1938
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Speaker 21: and her mother, a young chef, and a number of

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Speaker 21: teenagers who are there with their families. Two people who

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Speaker 21: died were trying to jump to safety, and you'll have

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Speaker 21: seen there as you say that, the pictures are absolutely dreadful.

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Speaker 21: People were also seeing tying bed sheets together to escape

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Speaker 21: through the windows of their hotel rooms. It took twelve

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Speaker 21: hours to put out the fire, and it took an

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Speaker 21: hour for the fire service to arrive because of the

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Speaker 21: freezing conditions, it was difficult for them to get there.

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Speaker 21: Nine people have been arrested, including the owner of the hotel.

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Speaker 2: And it seemed like some of the people in hotels

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Speaker 2: around the hotel didn't seem to care.

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Speaker 21: Well, I couldn't say that, but because actually there have

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Speaker 21: been some reports of people actually trying to help. But

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Speaker 21: I guess the thing is that at a resort like

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Speaker 21: that and a fire that's so massive, what can you

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Speaker 21: actually do to help rather than hinder? You see what

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Speaker 21: I mean?

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Speaker 2: All right? Okay, And of course it's nighttime and it's

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Speaker 2: cold because it's a ski resort. That makes sense. Now

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Speaker 2: Prince Harry is no longer suing the papers about the

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Speaker 2: phone tapping and all that and there's now Talkie is

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Speaker 2: going to settle his case against the Sun publisher.

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Speaker 21: Yes, we talked about this on Monday, didn't we because

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Speaker 21: the case was supposed to start then, and then that

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Speaker 21: got delayed, and then it was supposed to start yesterday.

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Speaker 21: But lawyers for both sides have twice asked to delay

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Speaker 21: the opening of the case because it turns out negotiations

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Speaker 21: are going ahead now. Whether the case will still go ahead,

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Speaker 21: who knows. But they asked for a third adjournment during

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Speaker 21: the day and the judge said, no, the case has

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Speaker 21: to begin. But because by this time it's two o'clock

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Speaker 21: in the afternoon, the judge said, look, let's close it

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Speaker 21: for the day because you know, you need to decide. However,

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Speaker 21: this morning the lawyers could appeal against the judge's decision

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Speaker 21: and ask for more time for talks. So, as you said,

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Speaker 21: there is you know, the potential of a settlement on

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Speaker 21: the cards. That certainly seems to to be what they're

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Speaker 21: thinking of.

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Speaker 2: They're great to bit because Harry was one of the

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Speaker 2: last Lottergaans standing and he has always said, I'm doing this,

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Speaker 2: you know, for the good of society, to hold these

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Speaker 2: people to account. And oh, how much money do you

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Speaker 2: want to offer me? Seems like that are bad play

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Speaker 2: with bad optics.

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Speaker 21: Well, it's an interesting one, is it, because he has

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Speaker 21: always said it's not about the money for him.

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Speaker 19: And he is.

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Speaker 21: Him and Labor MP Tom Watson are the only two people.

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Speaker 21: Everybody else we're talking about, people like Hugh Grant, who

1988
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Speaker 21: were thirteen hundred people who settled their case. And Hugh

1989
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Speaker 21: Grant certainly said, you know, I can't take it any

1990
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Speaker 21: further simply because of the costs of going to court,

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Speaker 21: whereas Prince Harry has said, look, I'm doing this for

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Speaker 21: everybody else, so we will see what happens. But of

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Speaker 21: course the case centers around the illegal practices used by

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Speaker 21: a handful of private investigators and journalists at Newsgroup newspapers

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Speaker 21: to pride to his private life. His claim is that

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Speaker 21: it was more than just a couple of bad apples,

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Speaker 21: some of whom, as you know, have been jailed. He

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Speaker 21: claims that it's been widespread.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and finally benefit chiefs of the UK Could heavy

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Speaker 2: driver's license taken off them?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 21: This originally was a Tory government proposal has now been

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Speaker 21: brought back again to be discussed. The driving bank could

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Speaker 21: last up to two years, and it's aimed at those

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Speaker 21: who repeatedly cheat the system and have debts so they

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Speaker 21: owe in benefit more than two thousand New Zealand dollars

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Speaker 21: or more. And the idea is that banks will be

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Speaker 21: forced to hand over account information about benefit claims to

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Speaker 21: help target investigations. It would also give the public sector

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Speaker 21: Fraud authority more time to investigate complex cases of fraud,

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Speaker 21: which they can be, as you know, very complex, which

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Speaker 21: took place during the pandemic. But it could face strong

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Speaker 21: opposition from banks and privacy campaigners who are worried it

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Speaker 21: could invade claimants' rights to financial privacy.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, Gail, I thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: your time today and enjoy the rest of it. I

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Speaker 2: talk to you soon. It is now six minutes to

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Speaker 2: seven and we'll figure out what band song we're going

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Speaker 2: to play with Anthony Milica in just a few moments time.

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Speaker 3: Getting ready for a new administration in the US. What

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Speaker 3: will be the impact?

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Speaker 1: It's the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my HR.

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Speaker 1: The HR solution for busy SMEs news talks.

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Speaker 3: It'd be.

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Speaker 2: The dooks. Had been a number of people talking about

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Speaker 2: me riding my bike to Eden Park and they go great.

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Speaker 2: So you then get looked over and then you're dead

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Speaker 2: And how's your family going to feel about that?

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Speaker 8: Well?

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Speaker 2: Can I just inform you that the cycle away from

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Speaker 2: the city to Eden Park goes the whole way off road.

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Speaker 2: In fact, there's only about two hundred meters that's on

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Speaker 2: road at the park end, and those roads are closed

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Speaker 2: and you get off your bike and walk it because

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Speaker 2: there's about fifty thousand people going to a gig. So

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Speaker 2: don't you worry about me. I don't get knocked off now.

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Speaker 22: Anthony up On called Creek was the winner of the

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Speaker 22: text Poldesty, which the band song we would go out

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Speaker 22: with today. And it's quite a confidence because I had

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Speaker 22: a quick listen to these three and this is easily

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Speaker 22: my favorite.

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Speaker 7: That's good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 22: That that organ or whatever it is in the background,

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Speaker 22: it just sounds really funky.

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Speaker 2: I love well, that would be the organ that Garth

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Speaker 2: Hudson would play.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 22: Unfortunately, it's a sad reason we're playing the song because

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Speaker 22: Garth Hudson, the last surviving original member of the band,

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Speaker 22: he has died. He was eighty seven years older.

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Speaker 2: Robbie Robinson of course, the leader of the band. The

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Speaker 2: band used to back, of course, Bob Dylan. They used

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Speaker 2: to be called the Hawks for a while. And the

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Speaker 2: Last Waltz one of the great moving films of all

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Speaker 2: time by Martin Scorsese. I leave you with a great song.

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Speaker 2: I thanks to producer Lauren and producer ants Man, to

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Speaker 2: anybody else who's been involved with the program. See you tomorrow.

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