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Speaker 1: TJ. Piranara got the headlines on the Harker connection to

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Speaker 1: last week's protest, of course, had the backing of the

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Speaker 1: team management and officials. Marie All Blacks cultural advisor to

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Speaker 1: where he writes is with us, good morning to you,

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Speaker 1: good morning. You're getting into tricky territory here. Are you

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Speaker 1: completely comfortable with this?

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Speaker 2: I'm completely comfortable with I think it's on the surface

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Speaker 2: it seems tricky, but I think there's a real good

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Speaker 2: story of unity here.

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Speaker 1: So on death Share, when you say unity, unity for who.

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Speaker 2: I think, well, it's it's probably it's a good Christian start.

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Speaker 2: I think unity for an under here's a ground. So

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Speaker 2: I think of emerging communities, both Maori and non Maori,

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Speaker 2: that are really working hard to try and showcase. I

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Speaker 2: think the beautiful country that's truly reflective of our unique

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Speaker 2: cultural identity, which is no longer exclusively Maori, but it

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Speaker 2: is uniquely So I think that's what I'm I'm talking about,

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Speaker 2: and our refuge to unity.

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Speaker 1: So is that the role of an All Black ahead

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Speaker 1: of a Test match or not?

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Speaker 2: I think it's a responsibility for all citizens of altad

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Speaker 2: Wall to keep pushing where they can. That notion of unity.

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Speaker 2: I mean context is always going to be debated, I think,

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Speaker 2: and the appropriateness I think of any political stance or

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Speaker 2: any stance in particular, regardless of the stage. But I

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Speaker 2: do think there is still a huge responsibility or on

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Speaker 2: us as citizens of New Zealand to keep pushing where

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Speaker 2: we can that notion of unity.

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Speaker 1: But when you say unity tenoring a terror tung, it

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Speaker 1: is self determination, which is not unity. It's your own

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Speaker 1: course and way, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: I think if you're pointing into the individualistic perception of

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Speaker 2: anger tuatang, which is something that we're seen perpetuated when

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Speaker 2: it comes to the Treaty Principles Bill. I mean it

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Speaker 2: can be easily read like that, but I think you know,

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Speaker 2: rang tang has to be seen the context of the collective.

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Speaker 2: And I think when we're moving into that kind of

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Speaker 2: notion we're saying, it's almost as if you're saying it's

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Speaker 2: either unity or to as this they can't sit together.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's probably where the context of this

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Speaker 2: stem becomes really important, because it's about showcasing the beauty

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Speaker 2: of both of all the cultures, but particularly the two

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Speaker 2: main parties. To tender to your white thing and how

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Speaker 2: we connect you work together to shape unity, residing in

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Speaker 2: MARII as a collective approach to determination, but also we

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Speaker 2: can still exist together. And how many and alta are right.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it Tim very much to where he right.

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Speaker 1: Who's lawyer consultant, Murray all Black circultural advisor. But of

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Speaker 1: course when we talk about that, as we did, and

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Speaker 1: I'm more than happy to talk about it, we're not

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Speaker 1: talking about the game. And in that I think lie

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Speaker 1: is probably part of the problem, isn't it. Good Morning

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Speaker 1: Mike TJ might think he's clever pushing his own narrative

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Speaker 1: during the all Blacks Harker, but don't hinder risk underestimate

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Speaker 1: the damage he's done to the brain with the average

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Speaker 1: New Zealand or the ab should never never be used

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Speaker 1: to push per political beliefs. For more from the Mic

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