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Speaker 2: Hello you great KeyWe's welcome into podcast three one four

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Speaker 2: just on my own today. Maddie was off today. Hopefully

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Speaker 2: he's back tomorrow. Nothing too serious, but hoping he's back

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Speaker 2: on deck. But big show today. We had the announcement

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Speaker 2: of this relief package from the government for load of

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Speaker 2: middle income earners, about one hundred and forty three thousand

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Speaker 2: of them, which, as you can imagine, upset a lot

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Speaker 2: of people that are getting nudder. But that was a

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Speaker 2: great discussion. Also had an expert from Informetrics to break

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Speaker 2: that all down. Then we had a bit of a

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Speaker 2: chat about Lotto, the jackpots increasing, the sixty million bucks

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Speaker 2: that's coming in the second part of the year, so

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Speaker 2: some good chat around whether people are still actually playing lotto.

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Speaker 2: And then Chef Life. This was after a well known chef.

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Speaker 2: His name is Renee. He was looking after a restaurant

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Speaker 2: But he's being accused of bullying by a whole bunch

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Speaker 2: of former employees. So we talked about what was it

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Speaker 2: a lot more gentle these days? Tunes out of as

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Speaker 2: Gordon Ramsey style. So that was a great chat. Download

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 1: in between. And it's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoon

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Speaker 1: Squid Scudder News Talk said, been a.

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Speaker 2: Very good afternoon. Ju welcome into Tuesday Show. Great to

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Speaker 2: have your company. I hope you're having a great afternoon

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Speaker 2: so far. Matt is off again today, nothing too serious.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully he's back tomorrow. But you've got me for the

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Speaker 2: next three hours. And thank you very much for your company.

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Speaker 2: The number to call is OH eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: ten eighty. The text number is nine to nine to two.

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Speaker 2: Big show for you today. A little bit later in

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Speaker 2: the program, I do want to have a chat about Lotto.

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Speaker 2: There's some big changes coming to Lotto and Powable. It's

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Speaker 2: the augus to nearly two decades. So these major changes

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Speaker 2: are designed to boost prize polls but also make the

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Speaker 2: top jackpot significantly harder to win, so the revamp will

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Speaker 2: see the maximum jackpot lifted from the current fifty million

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Speaker 2: dollars to sixty million dollars and the starting prize increase

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Speaker 2: to five million dollars, alongside bigger payouts across multiple divisions. However,

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Speaker 2: the odds of winning the first division Powerball will drop sharply.

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Speaker 2: They're going to add an extra four balls on top

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Speaker 2: of the ten they've already got, shifting the chances from

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Speaker 2: about one and thirty eight million to nearly one in

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Speaker 2: fifty four million, and the shakeup also introduces a new

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Speaker 2: lower tier division aimed at increasing the numbers of winners. Overall,

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Speaker 2: Lotto NZ estimates weekly winners could rise by around thirty percent.

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Speaker 2: That is not bad, official say the changes are route

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Speaker 2: keeping the game competitive and relevant. So when have a

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Speaker 2: chat to you about Lotto and Powerball, are you a

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Speaker 2: most people, you jump in when the jackpot starts creeping

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Speaker 2: to those wildly big numbers and doesn't make sense to

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Speaker 2: make it harder to win the big one. Arguably, and

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Speaker 2: looking at the statistics and the odds, it will mean

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Speaker 2: once it hits that checkpot of sixty million dollars, which

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Speaker 2: will be the new figure. The fact that you've got

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Speaker 2: When there's a fifty million or a forty million or

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Speaker 2: The comments online and on our text machine are always

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Speaker 2: why doesn't that get split up to go to multiple

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Speaker 2: that will deliver support to working families under significant financial

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Speaker 2: She says it's carefully targeted to families in that squeezed middle.

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Speaker 2: Fertilizer obviously is a big problem as well for the farmers.

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Speaker 2: Diesel was through the roof. So how do you feel

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Speaker 2: upset you? Oh eight hundred a ten eighty nine two

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Speaker 1: Surely the big stories, the big issues, to the big

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Speaker 2: That'd be thirteen past one, So fifty dollars a week

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Speaker 2: it's targeted and it's for a limited time, and it

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Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call

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Speaker 2: get a ben.

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Speaker 5: You get it, guys.

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Speaker 6: Look, I think it was a good, good policy that's

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Speaker 6: that's okay, we can manage. But I think it's a

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Speaker 6: I understand benefits and super increases by twenty dollars a week.

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Speaker 6: So from what I can see, those people all right,

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Speaker 6: and then the people that this is targeted too is

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Speaker 6: So I think they've done the right thing.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you on a couple of aspects there, Ben.

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Speaker 2: I don't need any support or assistance, so I didn't

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Speaker 2: They might be struggling, you know, struggling a little bit,

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Speaker 2: and it's hurting the household budget, but they can push through.

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Speaker 2: They don't like it, but they can do what's needed

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Speaker 2: in the short term. But I think there's there's a

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, look at where I work in the construction

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Speaker 6: and I think what would have kept our costs down

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Speaker 6: have definitely helped keep our process down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's my you know, my worrying. I think

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Speaker 2: This is the very early stages, and the longer this

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Speaker 2: not just at the pump, right, It's going to be

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right, And that's where like giving a discount

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Speaker 6: So yeah, I'm wondering if it's more to come on this.

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Speaker 6: But just for them to say that this targeted approaches

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was my reading as well, Ben, So I'll

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Speaker 2: just read that line out again, is that it will

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Speaker 2: was my reading that they expect that this disruption will

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Speaker 2: going to face this in the coming months. But Ben,

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Speaker 2: thank you very much for giving me a call. So

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Speaker 2: do you agree with Ben? Are you okay with the

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Speaker 2: government giving the financial support to those at the bottom

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Speaker 2: here not looking a little bit wider to rural communities,

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Speaker 2: to industry or should they have gone universal. There's a

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Speaker 2: lot of texts coming through talking about the fuel excised tax,

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Speaker 2: and there's some fair arguments on both sides when you

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Speaker 2: look at the tax that the government may may or

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Speaker 2: may not be getting into their coffers and increase with

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Speaker 2: the price of petrol, as that was an argument that

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Speaker 2: Chris Hipkins made. We heard that a little bit earlier

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Speaker 2: in the program. But as Christopher Luxe and Nicola Willis says,

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Speaker 2: those calculations are hard to lock down because people only

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Speaker 2: have so much expendable income, and if they're spending more

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Speaker 2: take remains roughly the same. But what do you say? Oh,

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Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call?

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Speaker 2: Nine two niney two is the text? A couple of texts.

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Speaker 2: Here again a guys, Once again the National government give

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Speaker 2: the government fuel relief package to mask the bad job

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Speaker 2: they did for throwing away our hard earned money. Well

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Speaker 2: done the Prime Minister and the Finance Minister. PM needs

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Speaker 2: a bit of mongrel for his communication. Stop being so nice,

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Speaker 2: go well and this one.

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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately me and my wife in too much so we

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Speaker 2: But I think this is a great approach and the

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Speaker 2: right one. So do you agree? O? One hundred and

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Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is the number to call? It is

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Speaker 2: nineteen past one.

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions it's the Mic Asking Breakfast.

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Speaker 7: Laurian Dedamello is the Senior Lecturer Department of Applied Finance

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Speaker 7: and Refined Oil Expert at Macquarie University. If we adjust

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Speaker 7: our standards, do we automatically get access to a lot

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Speaker 7: more oil.

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Speaker 8: It doesn't really work like that. The shipments have to

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Speaker 8: be available. A lot of other countries have also reduced standards.

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Speaker 8: I'm not sure exactly what the New Zealand government's trying

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Speaker 8: dirty fuel.

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Speaker 2: So the fuel with fifty past.

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Speaker 8: A million that's been putting our tanks for the last

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Speaker 8: ten years, if the government's allowing that to come back in,

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Speaker 8: it's not going to do anything, no environmental damage that

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Speaker 7: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 2: Very good afternoon. So we are talking about the government

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Speaker 2: on the lows to middle income braket that is going

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Speaker 2: Most don't need to do anything, but it is incredibly

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Speaker 2: targeted towards a specific group of people. No universal relief

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Speaker 2: at this stage for New Zealanders, no talk on removing

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Speaker 2: some of the fuel excise tax. One of the big

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Speaker 2: reasons for that from according to Nicola Willis, is that

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Speaker 2: So what do you say, oh, e one hundred and

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Speaker 9: Hey, look not too bad.

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Speaker 10: Look just about stolen the thunder there you look if

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Speaker 10: you worked it out, yes, look it's great that the

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Speaker 10: six weeks ago I was paying a dollar forty eight,

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Speaker 11: But you know, right.

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Speaker 10: Back when you know, a few weeks ago now and

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Speaker 10: But yeah, look, I reckon they've done the sums and

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Speaker 10: But really, we know it's going to pay for itself

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Speaker 2: Well, look, that's an interesting argument on a couple of

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Speaker 2: I don't completely even if that is true to you know,

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Speaker 10: And I agree with you there the watchdog and that

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Speaker 2: Banks, the supermarkets, if your companies. About three years ago,

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Speaker 11: Yeah, well I.

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Speaker 10: Talked to a guy at my local cafe and that

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Speaker 2: What about the inflation question, because that's you know, I

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Speaker 2: that would do is that words, you know, encourage people

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Speaker 10: Well, I mean, say everybody is sitting there thinking, well, okay,

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Speaker 10: You know, can we can we carpool or whatever like that?

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Speaker 10: So you know, we did it before. Look I'm old

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Speaker 10: We just haven't had to do it for a while,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and just rowing back to this financial support package.

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Speaker 2: So well, you agree that it's that it's fear to

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Speaker 10: No, no, no, I don't think it needs to get wider.

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Speaker 10: You've just got to accept and that sort of thing.

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Speaker 10: It's a feel good thing. And you know that the

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Speaker 10: those guys have just got to accept that they are

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Speaker 10: we'll give it to them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nicely, said Phil. Thank you very much for giving

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Speaker 2: So is this a prudent move from the government or

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Speaker 2: You feeling a lot of pain in your household with

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Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is the number to call if you

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Speaker 13: out a fifty dollars a week in work tax credit

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Speaker 13: for about one hundred and forty three thousand families with

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Raylean. So the government is rolling

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Speaker 2: out of fifty dollars a week in work tanks credit

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Speaker 2: on your view, is this a prudent intervention from the government.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, prudent is probably the right word. I mean it's

435
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Speaker 14: you know, you're talking one hundred and forty three thousand families.

436
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Speaker 14: You know, it's ten percent of the population probably who

437
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Speaker 14: are going to benefit or be touched by this policy

438
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Speaker 14: and extra payment going out. I mean the government has

439
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Speaker 14: started from a position where you know, they did want

440
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Speaker 14: it to be targeted, they did want it to be

441
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Speaker 14: temporary entirely than those are the words we've been given.

442
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Speaker 14: Also starting from a position of course where they had

443
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Speaker 14: a ratings downgrade over the weekend, so they will have

444
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Speaker 14: been a conscious they don't want to go rushing out

445
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Speaker 14: and spending a lot more money given the attitude that

446
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Speaker 14: the ratings agencies are taking at the moment.

447
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Speaker 2: Getting a lot of techs over the last hour are

448
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Speaker 2: Gareth from people saying why couldn't they look at cutting

449
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Speaker 2: the fuel excise tax? So as Nicola willis correct that

450
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Speaker 2: if they did go the universal option and look at

451
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Speaker 2: that fuel tax on the government side, would that be inflationary.

452
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Speaker 14: Potentially inflationary in terms of, you know, enabling people to

453
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Speaker 14: get out and continue spending more at a time when

454
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Speaker 14: there are already obviously cost pressures coming through the system.

455
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Speaker 14: I think the biggest issue around the fuel excise duty though,

456
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Speaker 14: is that you are helping everyone out, and you know,

457
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Speaker 14: while everyone is feeling the pain at the moment, some

458
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Speaker 14: people are feeling it a hell of a lot more

459
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Speaker 14: than others, and so I think, you know, trying to

460
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Speaker 14: limit it to sort of lower and middle income people

461
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Speaker 14: is much more appropriate than putting forward a fuel exised

462
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Speaker 14: duty cut which we saw a few years ago. And

463
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Speaker 14: you know, when Frankly, my household, my sort of income,

464
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Speaker 14: we don't need that assistance. Yes, we don't like pain

465
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Speaker 14: more fuel, but we can afford to do it.

466
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Speaker 2: Do you think the government could go a little bit

467
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Speaker 2: further than what they've done today, Gareth, if this situation continues,

468
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Speaker 2: that there's some groups arguably who need it, like rural

469
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Speaker 2: communities with no public transport industry that relies on vehicle

470
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Speaker 2: fleets and fuel of struggling at the moment, Could that

471
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Speaker 2: be a real potential that is eyed up in the

472
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Speaker 2: near future.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I'd be reluctant to go down the industry route.

474
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Speaker 14: I mean, you know, businesses have an ability to potentially

475
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Speaker 14: pass on those higher costs if they need to in

476
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Speaker 14: some regards, and we have seen a little bit of

477
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Speaker 14: I guess almost industry wealthy corporate welfare policies over the

478
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Speaker 14: last twelve to twenty four months in some regards anyway,

479
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Speaker 14: So I don't think we'd necessarily need more of that.

480
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Speaker 14: The rural community question is an interesting one because you're

481
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Speaker 14: right they don't have the public transporter access to that,

482
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Speaker 14: but it is also potentially one that's difficult to really

483
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Speaker 14: target particularly tightly. But yeah, look, lets on. The longer

484
00:23:52,893 --> 00:23:55,053
Speaker 14: this crisis drags on, the longer the war drags on,

485
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Speaker 14: the more pressure that will be on the government to

486
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Speaker 14: potentially do more.

487
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Speaker 2: And tough timing for the government and Nikola willis the

488
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Speaker 2: budget is two months away, Gareth, and has that ring

489
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Speaker 2: true that when she mentioned it's going to cost three

490
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Speaker 2: hundred and seventy three million dollars if that policy is

491
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Speaker 2: in place for a year. But that has already been

492
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Speaker 2: factored into the Treasury's fiscal forecast, which gives her that

493
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Speaker 2: regal room come May.

494
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Speaker 14: Yeah, I was a little surprised when arid that. I mean,

495
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Speaker 14: the government does always have some operating allowance in terms

496
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Speaker 14: of its spending that it has in each budget going forward.

497
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Speaker 14: Usually by the time you're getting through to March or rightful,

498
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Speaker 14: most of that allowance has been allocating.

499
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Speaker 6: In various places.

500
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Speaker 14: So I'll be interested to see how they sort of

501
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Speaker 14: make those numbers work when the figures. You know, the

502
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Speaker 14: budget comes out in a couple of months time, but

503
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Speaker 14: I don't have to believe or out a word.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be very interesting when we see

505
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Speaker 2: that made budget. Gareth, thank you very much for your

506
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Speaker 2: time this afternoon, really appreciate it. We'll catch up again soon.

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Speaker 6: She's good to talk town.

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Speaker 2: That is Gareth Kennan. He is the head of the

509
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Speaker 2: forecasting team at Informetric. So taking your views on this,

510
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Speaker 2: O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

511
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Speaker 2: to call. Is this a prudent move from the government

512
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Speaker 2: at this stage? Did you want to see some relief

513
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Speaker 2: come your way or is this a smart move to

514
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Speaker 2: avoid to avoid an inflationary period that we could be

515
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Speaker 2: facing in the next couple of months. Nine two ninety

516
00:25:09,013 --> 00:25:11,773
Speaker 2: two is the text number as well. It is twenty

517
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Speaker 2: three to two.

518
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Speaker 1: Of big stories, the big issues, to the big trends

519
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Speaker 1: and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyner Adams afternoons

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Speaker 1: with Skoda please scoter codes every day at sCOD dot

521
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Speaker 1: co dot Nz News talks that'd be.

522
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Speaker 2: It is twenty one to two. So we're talking about

523
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Speaker 2: the government's relief package with the rise in petrol prices.

524
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Speaker 2: So they've announced today they're going to roll out fifty

525
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Speaker 2: dollars a week in works TAK in work tax Credit

526
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Speaker 2: rather in two weeks time, that's April the seventh, to

527
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Speaker 2: help roughly one hundred and forty three thousand families with kids.

528
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Speaker 2: That will cost an estimated three hundred and seventy three

529
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Speaker 2: million dollars if it's in place for the full year.

530
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Speaker 2: It could be removed if ninety one drops below three

531
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Speaker 2: dollars a liter for four weeks in a row. What

532
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Speaker 2: I worry about with this discussion though, and I know

533
00:25:56,813 --> 00:25:58,532
Speaker 2: a lot of people are thinking about this, but it

534
00:25:58,613 --> 00:26:03,533
Speaker 2: is the diesel equation in that petrol. Over the last

535
00:26:03,533 --> 00:26:05,973
Speaker 2: twenty eight days has gone up thirty seven point sixty

536
00:26:05,973 --> 00:26:09,093
Speaker 2: seven percent. That is not great, But diesel has gone

537
00:26:09,173 --> 00:26:13,533
Speaker 2: up eighty one point seven five percent, And I associate

538
00:26:13,613 --> 00:26:17,532
Speaker 2: in Energy Minister Shane Jones said yesterday that if we

539
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Speaker 2: are too casual or insussient was the word he used

540
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Speaker 2: about the situation with diesel, we're selling our economy short

541
00:26:24,613 --> 00:26:27,213
Speaker 2: that when they announce or relief package like this for

542
00:26:27,293 --> 00:26:29,973
Speaker 2: low to middle income earners to deal with the rise

543
00:26:30,013 --> 00:26:33,812
Speaker 2: of petrol and ninety one, what about diesel operators? Surely

544
00:26:33,853 --> 00:26:36,573
Speaker 2: that should be one of the priorities being looked at

545
00:26:36,613 --> 00:26:39,253
Speaker 2: right now, because diesel runs our economy. What do you say, Oh,

546
00:26:39,253 --> 00:26:41,133
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to

547
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Speaker 2: call yet a Mike? How are you this afternoon?

548
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Speaker 9: Mate?

549
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Speaker 15: I'm all right, Johnston.

550
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Speaker 9: I just thought in.

551
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Speaker 5: I just thought in fifty dollars worth of gas now

552
00:26:59,653 --> 00:27:03,813
Speaker 5: ninety one at two dollars twenty nine basically worked out

553
00:27:03,813 --> 00:27:11,453
Speaker 5: it just under seventeen liters yep. But I'm looking at

554
00:27:11,493 --> 00:27:16,653
Speaker 5: the gest component. That's eight bucks. They could have just

555
00:27:17,053 --> 00:27:20,813
Speaker 5: they could have just easily just have GST and give

556
00:27:20,893 --> 00:27:22,093
Speaker 5: everyone a saving.

557
00:27:24,733 --> 00:27:24,933
Speaker 2: Yep.

558
00:27:24,973 --> 00:27:28,933
Speaker 5: Across the board. You know, I'd targeted assistance to that.

559
00:27:29,053 --> 00:27:35,573
Speaker 5: But shivantem leaders and the price is still rising. You know,

560
00:27:35,613 --> 00:27:38,733
Speaker 5: it'll probably be down to fifteen fourteen leaders next week.

561
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Speaker 5: It's buggerall.

562
00:27:42,933 --> 00:27:46,573
Speaker 2: Look, it is bugger all. But the argument from Nikola willis, Mike,

563
00:27:46,613 --> 00:27:49,133
Speaker 2: when it comes to why they haven't looked at the

564
00:27:49,213 --> 00:27:51,053
Speaker 2: you know, cutting the fuel week sized tags or even

565
00:27:51,093 --> 00:27:54,532
Speaker 2: the GST and trying to localize that to petrol, is

566
00:27:54,573 --> 00:27:58,133
Speaker 2: that it could be inflation areas and they you know,

567
00:27:58,413 --> 00:28:00,573
Speaker 2: they cut that so they're getting less take coming into

568
00:28:00,573 --> 00:28:03,733
Speaker 2: the government. But then arguably what happens is you cut

569
00:28:03,733 --> 00:28:05,773
Speaker 2: the price of fuel and then people try to stock

570
00:28:05,853 --> 00:28:09,532
Speaker 2: up more while the prices artificially lower, which starts to

571
00:28:09,613 --> 00:28:13,133
Speaker 2: increase inflation. That is their big fear. And I'm sure

572
00:28:13,173 --> 00:28:15,293
Speaker 2: we all know we don't want to get into, you know,

573
00:28:15,333 --> 00:28:18,613
Speaker 2: a situation where inflation starts climbing to ridiculous heights again,

574
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Speaker 2: because you know, it wasn't that long ago. We're at

575
00:28:21,533 --> 00:28:23,493
Speaker 2: seven percent and we're still recovering from that.

576
00:28:24,253 --> 00:28:27,973
Speaker 5: Yeah, inflation is going to climb anyway, no matter what

577
00:28:28,013 --> 00:28:29,973
Speaker 5: they do. Inflation is going to climb. It's just a

578
00:28:30,013 --> 00:28:33,493
Speaker 5: matter of how much. But it's not about inflation it's

579
00:28:33,533 --> 00:28:37,373
Speaker 5: about relief for the for your new ZALM workers out

580
00:28:37,413 --> 00:28:40,933
Speaker 5: there that they're doing it tough. I think, yeah, I'm

581
00:28:40,933 --> 00:28:43,693
Speaker 5: doing one hundred and thirty k's a week for work

582
00:28:44,173 --> 00:28:46,173
Speaker 5: in the health industry because i have to use my

583
00:28:46,173 --> 00:28:49,973
Speaker 5: own vehicle, and I'm basically paying an extra one hundred

584
00:28:49,973 --> 00:28:51,453
Speaker 5: to one hundred and twenty dollars a week.

585
00:28:52,013 --> 00:28:54,293
Speaker 2: I think there's a better way to target and absolutely, Mike,

586
00:28:54,373 --> 00:28:57,133
Speaker 2: you know, look, this is just one one element here

587
00:28:57,133 --> 00:28:59,573
Speaker 2: that they've tried to target it to the people where

588
00:28:59,573 --> 00:29:01,253
Speaker 2: you know, right at the bottom in terms of the

589
00:29:01,253 --> 00:29:03,813
Speaker 2: load of middle income owners with families and that you know,

590
00:29:03,893 --> 00:29:05,853
Speaker 2: as Nicola will have said, this is about people who

591
00:29:06,093 --> 00:29:07,853
Speaker 2: need to drive to work and they've got no option.

592
00:29:08,053 --> 00:29:09,813
Speaker 2: But people like you've got no option, You've got to

593
00:29:09,813 --> 00:29:12,013
Speaker 2: fill out your car and there's plenty of people out

594
00:29:12,053 --> 00:29:16,693
Speaker 2: there that would accept the price of fuel is you know,

595
00:29:16,733 --> 00:29:19,093
Speaker 2: it's kind of self regulating right that For me, I'm

596
00:29:19,133 --> 00:29:20,933
Speaker 2: one of those people that are the price goes up

597
00:29:20,933 --> 00:29:23,533
Speaker 2: too high, I just stopped driving as much as I

598
00:29:23,613 --> 00:29:26,493
Speaker 2: used to that I can change my behavior of my

599
00:29:26,573 --> 00:29:28,453
Speaker 2: day to day life because I'm lucky enough to be

600
00:29:28,493 --> 00:29:31,453
Speaker 2: in that position where I can you know, jump on

601
00:29:31,493 --> 00:29:34,173
Speaker 2: my bike or god for you bed, get on public transport.

602
00:29:34,693 --> 00:29:36,773
Speaker 2: But how do you yeah, but how do you target that?

603
00:29:36,813 --> 00:29:38,693
Speaker 2: I mean, do you do that? Someone suggested doing it

604
00:29:38,733 --> 00:29:41,733
Speaker 2: on the registration, so you know, I don't think too

605
00:29:41,773 --> 00:29:44,293
Speaker 2: many of these one hundred and forty three thousand families

606
00:29:44,293 --> 00:29:46,013
Speaker 2: at the lower end will have an EV. Some of

607
00:29:46,053 --> 00:29:49,573
Speaker 2: them might, though, So do you do it via registration

608
00:29:49,773 --> 00:29:52,493
Speaker 2: that EV owners get nothing because they don't need it,

609
00:29:52,533 --> 00:29:55,093
Speaker 2: and you just focus it on people with diesel cars

610
00:29:55,173 --> 00:29:56,733
Speaker 2: because they are really struggling at the moment.

611
00:29:58,853 --> 00:30:04,373
Speaker 5: Well, either way he would do, but they well just

612
00:30:04,493 --> 00:30:07,173
Speaker 5: goes and the kids. People that have to take your

613
00:30:07,213 --> 00:30:12,493
Speaker 5: children to school? Why ain't kids walking to school major

614
00:30:12,533 --> 00:30:14,693
Speaker 5: issue with the now you said it in the holidays,

615
00:30:15,453 --> 00:30:18,653
Speaker 5: No kids going to school, No cars on the road. Yeah,

616
00:30:18,773 --> 00:30:21,373
Speaker 5: all of a sudden going to school, cars on the road.

617
00:30:21,573 --> 00:30:25,933
Speaker 2: Well it's fair. Get the kids on the bike, you say, Mike, Yeah, in.

618
00:30:26,053 --> 00:30:28,693
Speaker 5: School everyone else did in the eighties and nineties. I

619
00:30:28,733 --> 00:30:32,213
Speaker 5: can't see why twenty twenty six kids ain't walking to school.

620
00:30:32,493 --> 00:30:34,893
Speaker 5: But the kids lived too far away from school. You know,

621
00:30:35,213 --> 00:30:37,413
Speaker 5: he is far away from school, and he's like half

622
00:30:37,453 --> 00:30:39,653
Speaker 5: far away from school. Rural schools obviously, But.

623
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Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting points. Mike, thank you very much for giving

624
00:30:44,293 --> 00:30:46,453
Speaker 2: me a buzz. So is he right as Mike said,

625
00:30:46,493 --> 00:30:48,213
Speaker 2: he just filled up, he put fifty bucks and eight

626
00:30:48,213 --> 00:30:51,013
Speaker 2: dollars of that went to GST. So should the government

627
00:30:51,093 --> 00:30:55,253
Speaker 2: have targeted the universal GST elements? It does get a

628
00:30:55,253 --> 00:30:57,893
Speaker 2: little bit difficult when you try and zero it in

629
00:30:58,173 --> 00:31:00,613
Speaker 2: at just at the petrol pump. Remember the whole plava

630
00:31:00,653 --> 00:31:03,613
Speaker 2: with fruit and vege and how complicated that became. But

631
00:31:03,653 --> 00:31:06,093
Speaker 2: it was that an option that they should have looked at,

632
00:31:06,413 --> 00:31:10,453
Speaker 2: and could it have being better targeted? As I mentioned before,

633
00:31:10,453 --> 00:31:12,253
Speaker 2: there are certainly a lot of people out there who

634
00:31:12,293 --> 00:31:16,733
Speaker 2: rely neat to fill up their car and they need

635
00:31:16,733 --> 00:31:18,613
Speaker 2: that car to get to work or to run their

636
00:31:18,653 --> 00:31:20,773
Speaker 2: business or whatever it may be. Then there's a lot

637
00:31:20,773 --> 00:31:24,093
Speaker 2: of people like in my position where I can change

638
00:31:24,133 --> 00:31:26,133
Speaker 2: my behavior so I can still do all the things

639
00:31:26,173 --> 00:31:28,293
Speaker 2: I need to do in my daily life, but I

640
00:31:28,333 --> 00:31:30,093
Speaker 2: can do that without a car. It will be a

641
00:31:30,133 --> 00:31:31,973
Speaker 2: pain in the ass, but I can make that work.

642
00:31:32,173 --> 00:31:34,013
Speaker 2: So was there a better way to try and target

643
00:31:34,133 --> 00:31:36,253
Speaker 2: this relief package? And there's a few tech saying what

644
00:31:36,293 --> 00:31:39,573
Speaker 2: about the work from home situation? There's been not a

645
00:31:39,613 --> 00:31:42,373
Speaker 2: dickybird from the government about work from home orders. Is

646
00:31:42,373 --> 00:31:44,053
Speaker 2: that the time to bring it back? I know that

647
00:31:44,133 --> 00:31:47,973
Speaker 2: was very controversial back in twenty twenty and what happened

648
00:31:48,013 --> 00:31:50,813
Speaker 2: in the five years since then, But is that an option?

649
00:31:50,893 --> 00:31:54,533
Speaker 2: The government should have suggested that those in the public

650
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Speaker 2: service go back and work from home and get off

651
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Speaker 2: the roads to free up some of that fuel supply. Oh,

652
00:31:59,653 --> 00:32:02,493
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number, Steve?

653
00:32:02,613 --> 00:32:03,253
Speaker 2: What do you reckon?

654
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Speaker 16: Hey, Tyler?

655
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Speaker 4: How are you doing?

656
00:32:05,133 --> 00:32:05,333
Speaker 17: Hey?

657
00:32:05,373 --> 00:32:05,813
Speaker 16: Listen mate?

658
00:32:05,853 --> 00:32:07,893
Speaker 18: I I sort of yeah, good night.

659
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Speaker 16: What you said before about you know, it is an

660
00:32:12,373 --> 00:32:15,613
Speaker 16: option giving this money to those that need it. It

661
00:32:15,773 --> 00:32:18,453
Speaker 16: is an option. But I think it's more of the

662
00:32:18,493 --> 00:32:20,773
Speaker 16: ambulance at the bottom of the cliff. And the reason

663
00:32:20,773 --> 00:32:23,293
Speaker 16: that I say that is because it's all going to

664
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Speaker 16: get gobbled up with inflation within a couple of months

665
00:32:25,653 --> 00:32:27,853
Speaker 16: or a month or whatever, when prices start going up

666
00:32:27,893 --> 00:32:31,653
Speaker 16: because of the cost of diesel to run the agriculture sector,

667
00:32:31,693 --> 00:32:34,973
Speaker 16: to run you know, beef, dairy, you know, freighting stuff

668
00:32:35,053 --> 00:32:37,493
Speaker 16: up and down the country. It's just going to get

669
00:32:37,493 --> 00:32:40,093
Speaker 16: gobbled up. I think a smarter option would have been

670
00:32:40,613 --> 00:32:46,253
Speaker 16: targeting freight and farm with diesel prices. Those that are

671
00:32:46,293 --> 00:32:48,813
Speaker 16: bringing our product to the from the gate to the plate,

672
00:32:48,893 --> 00:32:51,533
Speaker 16: so to speak, or transforming our products up and down

673
00:32:51,613 --> 00:32:54,813
Speaker 16: the country, I think those are the guys that need

674
00:32:54,893 --> 00:32:58,933
Speaker 16: a little bit of relief on the diesel pricing so

675
00:32:58,973 --> 00:33:02,253
Speaker 16: that we don't see that roll through into the supermarkets

676
00:33:02,653 --> 00:33:04,653
Speaker 16: a couple of months down the track, because I think

677
00:33:04,693 --> 00:33:07,813
Speaker 16: the picture is a lot bigger than just let's just

678
00:33:07,853 --> 00:33:10,293
Speaker 16: help out a section of society. And you know I

679
00:33:10,333 --> 00:33:12,533
Speaker 16: was not taking that away. If that needs to happen,

680
00:33:12,573 --> 00:33:15,493
Speaker 16: that needs to happen, but all in all, it's just

681
00:33:15,533 --> 00:33:19,093
Speaker 16: going to get gobbled up in time. I think dropping

682
00:33:19,133 --> 00:33:23,613
Speaker 16: the exercise tax, dropping GST, you know, trying to make

683
00:33:24,493 --> 00:33:27,253
Speaker 16: a fuel cheaper for everybody is just going to force

684
00:33:27,293 --> 00:33:30,573
Speaker 16: people to go and stockpile, or encourage people rather to

685
00:33:30,613 --> 00:33:33,093
Speaker 16: go and stockpile. You know, the tanks are being empty

686
00:33:33,173 --> 00:33:35,733
Speaker 16: down in the pack and saves almost every day at

687
00:33:35,733 --> 00:33:38,493
Speaker 16: the moment, because you know, people are using their vouchers

688
00:33:38,533 --> 00:33:40,693
Speaker 16: to go and you know, get cheaper fuel. And I

689
00:33:40,773 --> 00:33:41,093
Speaker 16: get that.

690
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Speaker 18: You know they need to go as well because we

691
00:33:43,093 --> 00:33:46,573
Speaker 18: need our fuel to last, mate, we need it for everybody,

692
00:33:46,653 --> 00:33:49,493
Speaker 18: and we need it to last. And I don't think that,

693
00:33:49,653 --> 00:33:51,453
Speaker 18: As I said, I think that's the ambulance at the

694
00:33:51,453 --> 00:33:54,173
Speaker 18: bottom of the cliff. Really, it needs to go all

695
00:33:54,173 --> 00:33:57,733
Speaker 18: the way back to the transport companies at the gates,

696
00:33:58,053 --> 00:34:01,013
Speaker 18: subsidizing these all of them so that it doesn't roll

697
00:34:01,053 --> 00:34:02,733
Speaker 18: out and we have to pay a shitload more for

698
00:34:02,893 --> 00:34:06,733
Speaker 18: everything that we're already paying over priced for at the moment.

699
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Speaker 2: I agree with you, Steve, because that's coming. We all

700
00:34:09,053 --> 00:34:11,773
Speaker 2: know that that is coming. That even if this conflict

701
00:34:11,893 --> 00:34:15,613
Speaker 2: ends tomorrow, the damage that's been inflicted and the choke

702
00:34:15,692 --> 00:34:18,893
Speaker 2: points on supply means that we're going to start seeing

703
00:34:18,893 --> 00:34:21,573
Speaker 2: that rolling through. That's just reality. I'm not scam angering here,

704
00:34:21,573 --> 00:34:24,253
Speaker 2: but that is the reality that all those industries you

705
00:34:24,293 --> 00:34:27,133
Speaker 2: talk about that get food to the supermarkets, et cetera, etc.

706
00:34:27,653 --> 00:34:29,333
Speaker 2: They're going to have to pass on those costs. So

707
00:34:29,333 --> 00:34:31,893
Speaker 2: I actually think you bang on that. When you have

708
00:34:32,013 --> 00:34:35,772
Speaker 2: relief in subsidies towards industries that are keeping the productivity going,

709
00:34:35,813 --> 00:34:38,772
Speaker 2: you get a return to that. And I know Nicola well,

710
00:34:38,773 --> 00:34:41,212
Speaker 2: it's made the argument that this is going to young

711
00:34:41,293 --> 00:34:43,773
Speaker 2: families who need to go to work to contribute to

712
00:34:43,933 --> 00:34:47,173
Speaker 2: the workforce and increase that productivity. But I think a

713
00:34:47,293 --> 00:34:49,933
Speaker 2: smarter strategy would be what you just said there. You've

714
00:34:49,933 --> 00:34:53,293
Speaker 2: got to invest that relief into the industries that are

715
00:34:53,373 --> 00:34:57,053
Speaker 2: keeping the economy going so that we all get through

716
00:34:57,053 --> 00:34:59,693
Speaker 2: this pain a lot easier, rather than just targeting a

717
00:34:59,693 --> 00:35:01,733
Speaker 2: selective group of people at the bottom. And I know

718
00:35:01,853 --> 00:35:04,373
Speaker 2: they are hurting, but I think in the long run

719
00:35:04,413 --> 00:35:05,413
Speaker 2: that was poorly targeted.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: Well, I mean fuel and fertilized are inflashy, aren't they.

722
00:35:09,613 --> 00:35:12,013
Speaker 16: It's stated so you know, at the end of the day,

723
00:35:12,333 --> 00:35:15,373
Speaker 16: people will choose while prices are high. People are going

724
00:35:15,413 --> 00:35:18,453
Speaker 16: to choose when they use their vehicle. You know, not

725
00:35:18,533 --> 00:35:20,493
Speaker 16: everybody's going to zip down to the dairy to get

726
00:35:20,533 --> 00:35:22,573
Speaker 16: the bottle of milk or whatever. They're going to make

727
00:35:22,613 --> 00:35:24,613
Speaker 16: sure that they are getting everything they need for the

728
00:35:24,613 --> 00:35:27,293
Speaker 16: week and parking their car up or walking their kids

729
00:35:27,413 --> 00:35:29,773
Speaker 16: or whatever. They are choices that we could make as

730
00:35:29,813 --> 00:35:33,773
Speaker 16: an individual. But once, I mean, stuff is so expensive.

731
00:35:33,973 --> 00:35:36,253
Speaker 16: Sack of potatoes made a bag ten kg bag of

732
00:35:36,293 --> 00:35:38,653
Speaker 16: potatoes twenty bucks at the moment in your local packet

733
00:35:38,733 --> 00:35:40,973
Speaker 16: saves you know, I mean that's you know, three years

734
00:35:40,973 --> 00:35:44,053
Speaker 16: ago they were nine ten dollars. Stuff doesn't come back

735
00:35:44,333 --> 00:35:48,013
Speaker 16: so if we let inflation take off again in this country,

736
00:35:48,093 --> 00:35:49,893
Speaker 16: it's going to hurt everybody.

737
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Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting point, Steve, thank you very much for your call.

738
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Speaker 2: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

739
00:35:55,213 --> 00:35:57,373
Speaker 2: to call, really ten to get your thoughts on this

740
00:35:57,533 --> 00:36:01,373
Speaker 2: government relief package. Is that targeted to the right sector

741
00:36:01,453 --> 00:36:05,053
Speaker 2: of society or should they have gone for as Steve said,

742
00:36:05,293 --> 00:36:08,213
Speaker 2: the more productive elements in New Zealand industry that were

743
00:36:08,373 --> 00:36:10,493
Speaker 2: eyes on diesel and it is up eighty percent in

744
00:36:10,533 --> 00:36:13,533
Speaker 2: the last twenty eight days and it supplies our way

745
00:36:13,613 --> 00:36:16,413
Speaker 2: of life. I mean even just looking at the food

746
00:36:16,453 --> 00:36:19,053
Speaker 2: that you buy in the supermarkets that is all affected

747
00:36:19,053 --> 00:36:21,173
Speaker 2: when you look at the price of diesel that is

748
00:36:21,213 --> 00:36:23,613
Speaker 2: starting to flow through. Nine two ninety two is the

749
00:36:23,613 --> 00:36:26,573
Speaker 2: text number is well, it is nine minutes to two.

750
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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on Oh, eight

751
00:36:30,773 --> 00:36:33,693
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heathen Tyler Adams

752
00:36:33,773 --> 00:36:35,093
Speaker 1: Afternoons News.

753
00:36:34,893 --> 00:36:39,773
Speaker 2: TALKSB News Talks ABB it is seven to two. Angela,

754
00:36:39,853 --> 00:36:41,013
Speaker 2: what's your thoughts?

755
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Speaker 17: Well, I think what the government is doing is basically

756
00:36:44,933 --> 00:36:48,093
Speaker 17: the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff. We have

757
00:36:48,333 --> 00:36:52,133
Speaker 17: known since over thirty years, that petrol and diesel is

758
00:36:52,173 --> 00:36:56,933
Speaker 17: a limited resource. What does this government do they actually

759
00:36:57,013 --> 00:37:00,373
Speaker 17: stop the subsidies for EV and the other thing I

760
00:37:00,413 --> 00:37:03,693
Speaker 17: want to say. I'm driving EV since over eleven years,

761
00:37:03,733 --> 00:37:07,773
Speaker 17: never had a repair, and when I read report what

762
00:37:07,973 --> 00:37:12,053
Speaker 17: kind of EV to buy, they actually never mentioned the

763
00:37:12,213 --> 00:37:15,333
Speaker 17: cheap second hand cars that are available. You can buy

764
00:37:15,373 --> 00:37:20,093
Speaker 17: one for ten thousand dollars. So I think forward thinking,

765
00:37:20,213 --> 00:37:21,693
Speaker 17: this is what people have to do.

766
00:37:23,013 --> 00:37:25,573
Speaker 2: I'd say the problem and look, I've got a PHV.

767
00:37:25,653 --> 00:37:28,093
Speaker 2: But the problem with that clean car subsidy as it

768
00:37:28,173 --> 00:37:30,333
Speaker 2: stood under labor and I think there's a lot of

769
00:37:30,373 --> 00:37:33,013
Speaker 2: truth in this Angela that when you were paying people

770
00:37:33,053 --> 00:37:35,893
Speaker 2: eight thousand dollars out of taxpayer money for a new

771
00:37:35,973 --> 00:37:39,013
Speaker 2: Tesla that rubbed a lot of people up the wrong way.

772
00:37:39,093 --> 00:37:42,013
Speaker 2: Not many people can afford a brand spanking new Tesla

773
00:37:42,093 --> 00:37:45,293
Speaker 2: and then to get an extra eight thousand dollars from taxpayers.

774
00:37:45,333 --> 00:37:50,133
Speaker 2: Clearly that was not the right way forward. So how

775
00:37:50,213 --> 00:37:54,933
Speaker 2: you rein generate re engena to re establish that subsidy,

776
00:37:55,333 --> 00:37:57,373
Speaker 2: I don't know. But the government hasn't gone away from

777
00:37:57,373 --> 00:37:59,652
Speaker 2: EV's I mean yesterday they announced fifty million dollars for

778
00:37:59,733 --> 00:38:02,093
Speaker 2: new EV charges up and down the country, so it

779
00:38:02,173 --> 00:38:03,773
Speaker 2: is still in the back of their mind.

780
00:38:04,133 --> 00:38:07,653
Speaker 17: Can I just say, what point are more EV charges

781
00:38:07,733 --> 00:38:11,292
Speaker 17: when you're doing have more evs and there's other EV

782
00:38:11,453 --> 00:38:14,333
Speaker 17: cars than Tesla, So they could have said, repay a

783
00:38:14,373 --> 00:38:18,813
Speaker 17: subsidy for our for our middle priced car. They also

784
00:38:18,853 --> 00:38:22,853
Speaker 17: could have put in subsidies for solar panels on your roof.

785
00:38:22,973 --> 00:38:26,293
Speaker 17: That would have also taken off the pressure you know

786
00:38:26,493 --> 00:38:29,533
Speaker 17: on petrol and diesels we have. My husband has a

787
00:38:29,573 --> 00:38:33,013
Speaker 17: business and he bought a EV car just to safe

788
00:38:33,013 --> 00:38:35,933
Speaker 17: on petrol and it paid for itself. I mean, the

789
00:38:35,973 --> 00:38:38,653
Speaker 17: subsidy is good and it helps a lot of people

790
00:38:40,053 --> 00:38:41,093
Speaker 17: would still buy one.

791
00:38:42,453 --> 00:38:44,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I know there's a lot of room to

792
00:38:45,173 --> 00:38:48,413
Speaker 2: have a look at how you can get people into evs.

793
00:38:48,413 --> 00:38:50,973
Speaker 2: A lot of people are pushing back on on electric vehicles.

794
00:38:51,013 --> 00:38:54,013
Speaker 2: I'm not one of them. My PHGV has been very

795
00:38:54,013 --> 00:38:56,732
Speaker 2: good to us in the meantime. But you know, when

796
00:38:56,733 --> 00:38:58,973
Speaker 2: you weigh that up with with who is buying or

797
00:38:59,013 --> 00:39:01,293
Speaker 2: who was buying electric vehicles, and it seemed to be

798
00:39:01,413 --> 00:39:03,773
Speaker 2: those with the most amount of money, then giving them

799
00:39:03,773 --> 00:39:06,853
Speaker 2: back taxpayer money didn't sit right with me. On the

800
00:39:06,893 --> 00:39:09,453
Speaker 2: solar I think You've got a point there that if

801
00:39:09,533 --> 00:39:12,893
Speaker 2: there was a subsidized solar as they do in Australia,

802
00:39:13,253 --> 00:39:15,853
Speaker 2: that can be beneficial for the government and the economy

803
00:39:15,853 --> 00:39:17,652
Speaker 2: as a whole, that you can feed that back to

804
00:39:17,693 --> 00:39:19,893
Speaker 2: the grid and we will start to win there. But

805
00:39:20,333 --> 00:39:22,373
Speaker 2: I'm sure they have that in the back of their mind,

806
00:39:22,413 --> 00:39:24,373
Speaker 2: and I will say there's some councils that we're offering

807
00:39:24,413 --> 00:39:29,813
Speaker 2: the subsidy for solar in their regions as well. Okayyan

808
00:39:30,453 --> 00:39:32,893
Speaker 2: good on, Angela. Thank you very much for giving me

809
00:39:32,933 --> 00:39:34,652
Speaker 2: a call. Right, We'll keep this going for a little

810
00:39:34,653 --> 00:39:36,813
Speaker 2: bit longer. We've got full boards at the moment. If

811
00:39:36,813 --> 00:39:38,733
Speaker 2: you can't get through, keep trying. Oh eight hundred and

812
00:39:38,813 --> 00:39:42,212
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Nine two

813
00:39:42,293 --> 00:39:45,493
Speaker 2: ninety two is the text number is? Well, it is

814
00:39:45,653 --> 00:39:48,493
Speaker 2: four minutes to two New Sport and we're the fast approaching.

815
00:39:48,533 --> 00:39:51,253
Speaker 2: Great have you company this afternoon, Stay right here. I

816
00:39:51,333 --> 00:39:52,853
Speaker 2: will be back in a few minutes.

817
00:40:25,493 --> 00:40:30,173
Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

818
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Speaker 1: in between.

819
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Speaker 4: And kids.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams. Afternoon squ Skoder News Talk said, be.

821
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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, welcome back into the show. It is six

822
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Speaker 2: past too great to have your company this afternoon, And

823
00:40:43,053 --> 00:40:45,413
Speaker 2: just a reminder, our mates at Skoda want to send

824
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825
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826
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827
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828
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Speaker 2: that clue to you in about forty five minutes. To

829
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Speaker 2: stand by for that. But back to our discussion about

830
00:41:00,733 --> 00:41:04,093
Speaker 2: the government financial relief package that they announced today. So

831
00:41:04,093 --> 00:41:06,013
Speaker 2: they're going to roll out fifty dollars a week in

832
00:41:06,133 --> 00:41:09,133
Speaker 2: work tax credit in two weeks time, that's April the seventh,

833
00:41:09,293 --> 00:41:12,093
Speaker 2: to help people hardest hit by the petrol price increases.

834
00:41:12,173 --> 00:41:15,533
Speaker 2: They say that's roughly one hundred and forty three thousand

835
00:41:15,533 --> 00:41:18,213
Speaker 2: families with kids. They'll get the boost, costing an estimated

836
00:41:18,253 --> 00:41:21,493
Speaker 2: three hundred and seventy three million dollars. It will continue

837
00:41:21,533 --> 00:41:24,333
Speaker 2: for a year or until the ninety until ninety one

838
00:41:24,453 --> 00:41:27,453
Speaker 2: rather drops below three dollars a liter for four weeks

839
00:41:27,493 --> 00:41:29,853
Speaker 2: in a row. Finance Minister Nicola Willis says this is

840
00:41:29,933 --> 00:41:33,732
Speaker 2: carefully targeted for the squeezed middles. The question I'll put

841
00:41:33,733 --> 00:41:36,693
Speaker 2: to you is is this the right type of financial

842
00:41:36,693 --> 00:41:40,293
Speaker 2: package to offer those in the lower to middle income bracket.

843
00:41:40,333 --> 00:41:43,373
Speaker 2: Should they have gone wider or should we all suck

844
00:41:43,373 --> 00:41:45,693
Speaker 2: it up for the time being and hope for the

845
00:41:45,693 --> 00:41:48,333
Speaker 2: best when it comes to the situation in Iran, oh

846
00:41:48,373 --> 00:41:50,973
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

847
00:41:50,973 --> 00:41:52,973
Speaker 2: A couple of texts before we go back to your calls,

848
00:41:53,573 --> 00:41:57,933
Speaker 2: geta tyler, I agree, help for the greater good, meaning freight, etc.

849
00:41:58,693 --> 00:42:01,093
Speaker 2: The ones at home already know how to be at home.

850
00:42:01,173 --> 00:42:03,733
Speaker 2: I get mad at the thought of the application of

851
00:42:03,813 --> 00:42:07,013
Speaker 2: handout funds for some, even many of the cases. Will

852
00:42:07,053 --> 00:42:09,333
Speaker 2: it really be applied to fuel? Why cash? Why not

853
00:42:09,373 --> 00:42:13,692
Speaker 2: petrol vouchers? At least fairpoint greetings? Just quickly, do all

854
00:42:13,733 --> 00:42:16,773
Speaker 2: the recipients of the fifty dollars extra a week have cars,

855
00:42:16,853 --> 00:42:20,253
Speaker 2: drive them daily, et cetera, or even have electric cars?

856
00:42:20,253 --> 00:42:23,453
Speaker 2: So technically not entitled to this payment? Also a good

857
00:42:23,453 --> 00:42:27,813
Speaker 2: bribe as many of those people would be any form

858
00:42:27,813 --> 00:42:31,333
Speaker 2: of voter. So since getting this payment does it wean

859
00:42:31,413 --> 00:42:34,253
Speaker 2: them towards voting nationals since they gave them this gift?

860
00:42:34,413 --> 00:42:38,533
Speaker 2: Just another thought that's from Kimbo. Just on your first point, Kimbo,

861
00:42:39,093 --> 00:42:41,493
Speaker 2: there's no telling that every one of those one hundred

862
00:42:41,493 --> 00:42:43,893
Speaker 2: and forty three thousand families will have a car. Some

863
00:42:43,933 --> 00:42:46,652
Speaker 2: of them may have an EV, you'd argue most of

864
00:42:46,653 --> 00:42:48,813
Speaker 2: them probably don't have an EV, but they could do.

865
00:42:49,413 --> 00:42:52,733
Speaker 2: So it is targeted, but certainly there's an element of

866
00:42:53,413 --> 00:42:56,293
Speaker 2: universality there as well, that it's going to those at

867
00:42:56,373 --> 00:42:59,093
Speaker 2: the bottom, whether they may or may not need it.

868
00:42:59,133 --> 00:43:00,773
Speaker 2: So what do you say? Nine two ninety two is

869
00:43:00,773 --> 00:43:02,853
Speaker 2: the text? Keep them coming through? Graham? How are you

870
00:43:02,893 --> 00:43:03,493
Speaker 2: this afternoon?

871
00:43:04,333 --> 00:43:04,533
Speaker 9: Well?

872
00:43:04,613 --> 00:43:08,772
Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah, I've got mixed speelings because I feel

873
00:43:08,813 --> 00:43:12,573
Speaker 3: sorry for the low income earners that don't have a family.

874
00:43:14,693 --> 00:43:24,893
Speaker 3: There's nothing for them. So some of these families maybe

875
00:43:25,453 --> 00:43:27,813
Speaker 3: doing quite all right, but you don't have any children,

876
00:43:27,893 --> 00:43:31,973
Speaker 3: you're getting nothing, but you're still being hurt. However, I

877
00:43:32,013 --> 00:43:35,173
Speaker 3: didn't get anything. I didn't expect anything and don't need anything.

878
00:43:35,773 --> 00:43:38,653
Speaker 3: But the other question I have until it falls below

879
00:43:38,773 --> 00:43:41,653
Speaker 3: three dollars, well, that's still about a thirty percent increase

880
00:43:41,693 --> 00:43:45,733
Speaker 3: over where it was prior to the war starting.

881
00:43:46,733 --> 00:43:49,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean just the indication that it will carry

882
00:43:49,253 --> 00:43:52,493
Speaker 2: on for a year unless that happens. When I read that,

883
00:43:53,093 --> 00:43:55,293
Speaker 2: and a caller alluded to that, But it seems to

884
00:43:55,293 --> 00:43:57,733
Speaker 2: me that the government expects this to carry on for

885
00:43:57,853 --> 00:43:59,813
Speaker 2: some time, and I think there's a lot of evidence

886
00:43:59,853 --> 00:44:03,053
Speaker 2: to that gram. Even if the conflict were to end tomorrow,

887
00:44:03,573 --> 00:44:05,333
Speaker 2: the damage that has been done to a lot of

888
00:44:05,333 --> 00:44:09,973
Speaker 2: that core oil infrastructure, the blockade and the you know,

889
00:44:10,013 --> 00:44:12,533
Speaker 2: the choke points to a supply of oil that is

890
00:44:12,573 --> 00:44:14,693
Speaker 2: gonna Those ramifications are going to be felt for a

891
00:44:14,733 --> 00:44:17,172
Speaker 2: long time. Whether it's the full year, I don't know,

892
00:44:17,373 --> 00:44:18,772
Speaker 2: but it's going to be felt for some time.

893
00:44:19,813 --> 00:44:22,653
Speaker 3: It's going to be probably two or three years potentially.

894
00:44:22,893 --> 00:44:25,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, just just on that because there's

895
00:44:25,453 --> 00:44:27,453
Speaker 2: a couple of tick saying, you know, again for again

896
00:44:27,493 --> 00:44:31,093
Speaker 2: for families and nothing for single people. I do have

897
00:44:31,653 --> 00:44:34,093
Speaker 2: the sympathy for looking after families because when there's kids

898
00:44:34,173 --> 00:44:35,973
Speaker 2: involved and you've got to get them to school or

899
00:44:36,253 --> 00:44:38,453
Speaker 2: you've still got to get yourself to work, you know,

900
00:44:38,533 --> 00:44:41,053
Speaker 2: that is an added stress to people in that position.

901
00:44:41,093 --> 00:44:43,172
Speaker 2: And we need families in New Zealand where you know,

902
00:44:43,213 --> 00:44:45,733
Speaker 2: we need more population growth in New Zealand. So even

903
00:44:45,773 --> 00:44:48,733
Speaker 2: as someone who doesn't have children, I can see the

904
00:44:48,773 --> 00:44:51,733
Speaker 2: benefit to targeting families. It sucks for those who are single,

905
00:44:51,813 --> 00:44:55,093
Speaker 2: but I certainly can see the benefit and directing it

906
00:44:55,093 --> 00:44:59,053
Speaker 2: towards those people there are good on your Graham, Thank

907
00:44:59,093 --> 00:45:00,933
Speaker 2: you very much for giving me a call. So what

908
00:45:00,973 --> 00:45:03,093
Speaker 2: do you say, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,

909
00:45:03,213 --> 00:45:05,493
Speaker 2: is this the right sort of relief package that the

910
00:45:05,533 --> 00:45:08,013
Speaker 2: government should be offering in these times? If you're a

911
00:45:08,013 --> 00:45:10,373
Speaker 2: diesel how are you feeling? If you're in an industry

912
00:45:10,373 --> 00:45:12,973
Speaker 2: that heavily relies on it, how are you dealing with

913
00:45:13,053 --> 00:45:17,053
Speaker 2: the price increases? I imagine you're having to pass them

914
00:45:17,053 --> 00:45:19,493
Speaker 2: on or certainly thinking about passing them on. So is

915
00:45:19,493 --> 00:45:23,293
Speaker 2: that something we all need to prepare for as those

916
00:45:23,373 --> 00:45:26,133
Speaker 2: pass on costs affecting us at the supermarket and other

917
00:45:26,173 --> 00:45:28,853
Speaker 2: elements of our daily life. Ten to hear it from you, Oh,

918
00:45:28,933 --> 00:45:31,893
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty, back very shortly. It is

919
00:45:32,053 --> 00:45:34,093
Speaker 2: eleven past two.

920
00:45:34,573 --> 00:45:38,933
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons

921
00:45:38,973 --> 00:45:42,253
Speaker 1: call eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth Talk, ZIV.

922
00:45:43,973 --> 00:45:46,373
Speaker 2: News Talks thereb It is fourteen past two. A couple

923
00:45:46,453 --> 00:45:49,373
Speaker 2: of texts on the fuel relief package that the government

924
00:45:49,373 --> 00:45:52,333
Speaker 2: has announced fifty dollars a week for lower income working families.

925
00:45:52,853 --> 00:45:55,893
Speaker 2: This one says Kay Tyler Nikola Willis and Co. Have

926
00:45:55,973 --> 00:45:59,373
Speaker 2: given over four hundred and fifty thousand giwei's on benefits

927
00:45:59,413 --> 00:46:01,933
Speaker 2: and super the middle finger yet again, why couldn't they

928
00:46:01,973 --> 00:46:04,853
Speaker 2: bring the winter energy payment start date forward a month

929
00:46:04,893 --> 00:46:07,653
Speaker 2: of the first of April. Chairs from Andrew and getting

930
00:46:07,653 --> 00:46:10,893
Speaker 2: a lot of texts from those on the pension asking

931
00:46:11,053 --> 00:46:13,692
Speaker 2: where is their relief? What I will say to that

932
00:46:13,893 --> 00:46:16,772
Speaker 2: is and granted I'm sure if they could they would

933
00:46:16,813 --> 00:46:19,373
Speaker 2: have provide provided a bit of relief to those on

934
00:46:19,413 --> 00:46:22,013
Speaker 2: the pension that needed it. But as I understand it,

935
00:46:22,053 --> 00:46:24,053
Speaker 2: there is the Gold Card option and you get free

936
00:46:24,053 --> 00:46:26,613
Speaker 2: public transport. That's not going to be feasible for everything

937
00:46:26,653 --> 00:46:28,613
Speaker 2: you want to do in your life, but certainly that

938
00:46:28,773 --> 00:46:31,692
Speaker 2: is something that you're able to tap into that many

939
00:46:31,693 --> 00:46:34,453
Speaker 2: other New Zealanders are not. But if you want to

940
00:46:34,453 --> 00:46:36,013
Speaker 2: respond to that by all means O eight one hundred

941
00:46:36,053 --> 00:46:38,493
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty and this one get a Tayler.

942
00:46:38,533 --> 00:46:40,613
Speaker 2: The fifty dollars assistance is a good starting point in

943
00:46:40,613 --> 00:46:43,413
Speaker 2: my opinion. It was suggested there may be more relief

944
00:46:43,413 --> 00:46:46,853
Speaker 2: in the future. PM said that government agencies already started

945
00:46:46,853 --> 00:46:50,013
Speaker 2: making changes where possible around fuel use working from home

946
00:46:50,053 --> 00:46:51,813
Speaker 2: and I think it would be prudent of any business

947
00:46:51,853 --> 00:46:54,253
Speaker 2: to implement the same where possible, and shouldn't have to

948
00:46:54,253 --> 00:46:57,013
Speaker 2: be advised on this from the government. I think everyone

949
00:46:57,093 --> 00:46:59,253
Speaker 2: is capable of making changes large or small to their

950
00:46:59,253 --> 00:47:01,773
Speaker 2: fuel use. Wouldn't take much to save fifty bucks a

951
00:47:01,773 --> 00:47:03,933
Speaker 2: week on petrol, thank you very much. Keep those coming

952
00:47:04,013 --> 00:47:05,773
Speaker 2: in scott How are you this afternoon?

953
00:47:06,653 --> 00:47:09,133
Speaker 11: Yeah, not so bad, sitting here and our shirt. There's

954
00:47:09,173 --> 00:47:13,333
Speaker 11: FOG's finally gone. Lovely blue sky, little north west breeze.

955
00:47:13,373 --> 00:47:15,373
Speaker 11: But hey, a couple of hours it will start calling

956
00:47:15,413 --> 00:47:15,772
Speaker 11: off again.

957
00:47:15,853 --> 00:47:18,013
Speaker 2: Oh, beautiful city. It's all going well for christ Hits

958
00:47:18,053 --> 00:47:18,933
Speaker 2: at the moment. Mate.

959
00:47:19,533 --> 00:47:21,093
Speaker 11: Oh, I don't know about that, Tyler.

960
00:47:21,453 --> 00:47:22,853
Speaker 2: You were the top of there. You are the top

961
00:47:22,893 --> 00:47:25,013
Speaker 2: of the region in terms of economic growth. It's what

962
00:47:25,053 --> 00:47:27,493
Speaker 2: I heard on Mike Costkin this morning that Canterbury's leading

963
00:47:27,533 --> 00:47:29,373
Speaker 2: the way and number one for two years in a row.

964
00:47:29,373 --> 00:47:30,053
Speaker 2: That's pretty good.

965
00:47:30,733 --> 00:47:34,453
Speaker 11: Yeah, kenn might say that in the statistics, but it's

966
00:47:34,613 --> 00:47:38,293
Speaker 11: not showing through when you go and see stuff and

967
00:47:38,333 --> 00:47:43,253
Speaker 11: talk to people. But anyway, so the government, I think, yes,

968
00:47:43,333 --> 00:47:47,413
Speaker 11: I've missed the mark in quite a large way. You yourself,

969
00:47:47,533 --> 00:47:51,133
Speaker 11: just one moment ago we're talking about beneficiary. So I

970
00:47:51,253 --> 00:47:53,413
Speaker 11: my steps on, he's beneficiary, and I'm going to make

971
00:47:53,453 --> 00:47:56,453
Speaker 11: it's a beneficiary his mum that he's living and looking

972
00:47:56,573 --> 00:48:01,653
Speaker 11: with and looking after. She's on a pension. The beneficiaries

973
00:48:01,653 --> 00:48:04,453
Speaker 11: get a ten dollars pay rise per week at the

974
00:48:04,493 --> 00:48:08,253
Speaker 11: start of next month and until the energy payment come

975
00:48:08,493 --> 00:48:10,893
Speaker 11: and then they get that extra twenty bucks. You know,

976
00:48:11,013 --> 00:48:13,373
Speaker 11: So when you're on three hundred and fifty dollars a

977
00:48:13,373 --> 00:48:17,253
Speaker 11: week before you get that play rise of ten bucks,

978
00:48:18,173 --> 00:48:20,653
Speaker 11: that ten dollars doesn't go anywhere. The three hundred and

979
00:48:20,733 --> 00:48:23,613
Speaker 11: sixty dollars a week doesn't go anywhere. So I mean,

980
00:48:24,133 --> 00:48:26,732
Speaker 11: you know, and working for families. So if you are

981
00:48:26,813 --> 00:48:29,692
Speaker 11: lucky enough, I think, to have a job, at least

982
00:48:29,733 --> 00:48:32,613
Speaker 11: you can potentially do more hours and earn more unless

983
00:48:32,613 --> 00:48:36,613
Speaker 11: you're on a salary, or you can do lots of

984
00:48:36,653 --> 00:48:40,252
Speaker 11: other things to help yourself along, as people have seen

985
00:48:40,373 --> 00:48:42,973
Speaker 11: and the government have actually said, if you can, when

986
00:48:43,013 --> 00:48:44,493
Speaker 11: you can work from home.

987
00:48:45,533 --> 00:48:46,053
Speaker 9: Up you did that.

988
00:48:46,213 --> 00:48:49,172
Speaker 11: But how You've got construction workers, you've got cleaners, you've

989
00:48:49,173 --> 00:48:54,213
Speaker 11: got read the whole retail sector, you've got supermarket employees,

990
00:48:54,333 --> 00:48:57,333
Speaker 11: you've got all these hundreds of thousands or millions of

991
00:48:57,333 --> 00:49:00,172
Speaker 11: people here in New Zealand that still have to go

992
00:49:00,213 --> 00:49:03,692
Speaker 11: to work and still cost them for fuel. Yes, if

993
00:49:03,693 --> 00:49:05,293
Speaker 11: you haven't got a car and you do live in

994
00:49:05,333 --> 00:49:07,413
Speaker 11: a main center, like I'm lucky enough to live in

995
00:49:07,453 --> 00:49:10,453
Speaker 11: christ Church, but the buses, you can't really go to

996
00:49:10,533 --> 00:49:12,973
Speaker 11: the supermarket. And if you're lucky enough to be able

997
00:49:13,013 --> 00:49:15,533
Speaker 11: to buy two hundred dollars with the groceries, take two

998
00:49:15,653 --> 00:49:17,652
Speaker 11: hundred bucks with the groceries on the bus and you

999
00:49:17,693 --> 00:49:20,093
Speaker 11: know you've got, maybe, if you're lucky, half dozen bags

1000
00:49:20,093 --> 00:49:23,133
Speaker 11: and you're wrangling that and yeah, it just doesn't work,

1001
00:49:23,733 --> 00:49:27,293
Speaker 11: like for myself yesterday, So I went for a job

1002
00:49:27,293 --> 00:49:31,252
Speaker 11: interview yesterday. I was down in esh Burton. I drove

1003
00:49:31,293 --> 00:49:34,812
Speaker 11: from christ Church jesh Burton and yesterday, just what six

1004
00:49:34,853 --> 00:49:38,053
Speaker 11: weeks ago, it cost me eighteen dollars get down there

1005
00:49:38,053 --> 00:49:41,333
Speaker 11: because I've got a diesel vehicle. Yesterday the same trip

1006
00:49:41,733 --> 00:49:43,252
Speaker 11: cost me forty six.

1007
00:49:43,573 --> 00:49:46,212
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big increase in diesel, no doubt about it.

1008
00:49:46,293 --> 00:49:48,732
Speaker 11: Oh that's a massive increase. And it doesn't matter whether

1009
00:49:48,773 --> 00:49:52,213
Speaker 11: it's diesel or petrol. It's just yeah, the things have

1010
00:49:52,293 --> 00:49:55,373
Speaker 11: got out of control. But like I'm currently on acc

1011
00:49:55,493 --> 00:49:58,333
Speaker 11: because I had stuffed up my shoulder almost two years ago,

1012
00:49:58,813 --> 00:50:02,172
Speaker 11: and I'm looking to get back into work, but you know,

1013
00:50:02,333 --> 00:50:04,093
Speaker 11: I don't get anything out of it because I've got

1014
00:50:04,133 --> 00:50:07,813
Speaker 11: no kids. I'm not working. My steps on he's not working,

1015
00:50:07,893 --> 00:50:12,093
Speaker 11: he's got kids. My mate that's looking after his elderly mother.

1016
00:50:12,853 --> 00:50:16,933
Speaker 11: He does have kids three days a week. His ex

1017
00:50:16,973 --> 00:50:19,772
Speaker 11: partner has the kids. The other trees and a half

1018
00:50:19,853 --> 00:50:23,733
Speaker 11: four days a week. She is partially working or works

1019
00:50:24,013 --> 00:50:26,933
Speaker 11: and gets a benefit as a top up. So does

1020
00:50:26,933 --> 00:50:31,333
Speaker 11: she get the working for families because they've basically said,

1021
00:50:31,373 --> 00:50:34,732
Speaker 11: haven't they that anybody from what I've read, anybody that's

1022
00:50:34,773 --> 00:50:38,493
Speaker 11: getting any form of benefit as any main income or

1023
00:50:38,533 --> 00:50:41,133
Speaker 11: as a part of income is not going to get

1024
00:50:41,173 --> 00:50:45,733
Speaker 11: this credit. So how does someone that's working and earning

1025
00:50:47,053 --> 00:50:50,333
Speaker 11: twenty hours a week and getting a benefit as.

1026
00:50:50,253 --> 00:50:50,813
Speaker 9: A top up.

1027
00:50:51,733 --> 00:50:54,093
Speaker 11: It's a mixed message if they get some of this

1028
00:50:54,293 --> 00:50:57,333
Speaker 11: working or some of this top up from the government

1029
00:50:57,893 --> 00:51:01,733
Speaker 11: versus people that have got three, four or five seven kids,

1030
00:51:01,733 --> 00:51:04,973
Speaker 11: a home and both parents are on a benefit, they

1031
00:51:05,013 --> 00:51:07,053
Speaker 11: don't get anything. It's mixed messaging.

1032
00:51:07,133 --> 00:51:09,093
Speaker 2: Well, just on that, Scott, is there not a leaver

1033
00:51:09,333 --> 00:51:11,413
Speaker 2: that say you're in your son's position? He's on a

1034
00:51:11,493 --> 00:51:13,253
Speaker 2: benefit to see on the job seeker or it's a

1035
00:51:13,253 --> 00:51:14,173
Speaker 2: different type of benefit.

1036
00:51:14,853 --> 00:51:18,252
Speaker 11: So he's on the job seeker. But he started off

1037
00:51:18,333 --> 00:51:21,853
Speaker 11: on what was the sickness benefit right and could still

1038
00:51:21,893 --> 00:51:24,453
Speaker 11: be on the sickness benefit, but that benefit now no

1039
00:51:24,533 --> 00:51:28,053
Speaker 11: longer exists, but it's there my mate. So my mate

1040
00:51:28,133 --> 00:51:30,733
Speaker 11: is on the same thing. My mate has been told

1041
00:51:30,853 --> 00:51:34,533
Speaker 11: by doctors here in New Zealand and in Australia that

1042
00:51:34,613 --> 00:51:37,333
Speaker 11: he will probably never even work again. And he's on

1043
00:51:37,373 --> 00:51:40,933
Speaker 11: the same benefit, receiving the same amount of money, and yeah,

1044
00:51:41,133 --> 00:51:43,493
Speaker 11: won't get any targeted help at.

1045
00:51:43,333 --> 00:51:46,133
Speaker 2: All, he won't. But just let's focus on the job seeker.

1046
00:51:46,173 --> 00:51:49,933
Speaker 2: Is there not a mechanism there that if your boy

1047
00:51:49,973 --> 00:51:52,333
Speaker 2: needs to get to a job interview? Say so he

1048
00:51:52,413 --> 00:51:54,613
Speaker 2: keeps getting his benefit from the government and he says

1049
00:51:54,653 --> 00:51:57,093
Speaker 2: I don't have enough for fuel. I am sure there

1050
00:51:57,293 --> 00:51:59,893
Speaker 2: is a lever that Working Income or the Ministry of

1051
00:51:59,893 --> 00:52:03,212
Speaker 2: Social Development can pull to give your son an extra

1052
00:52:03,253 --> 00:52:05,653
Speaker 2: twenty dollars to make sure he can get to that job.

1053
00:52:06,253 --> 00:52:08,973
Speaker 11: It is, and that's available for any benef fishery like

1054
00:52:09,293 --> 00:52:12,893
Speaker 11: you know, if I say, for example, I couldn't meet

1055
00:52:12,933 --> 00:52:14,893
Speaker 11: my fuel obligations to go to a job interview, I

1056
00:52:14,933 --> 00:52:17,333
Speaker 11: could ring working income and say although I'm on ACC

1057
00:52:17,693 --> 00:52:19,732
Speaker 11: and I earned too much to get anything from them.

1058
00:52:19,773 --> 00:52:23,773
Speaker 11: I could ring a working income and say, hey, I

1059
00:52:23,973 --> 00:52:27,293
Speaker 11: need to go here, I haven't got any fuel, I

1060
00:52:27,373 --> 00:52:30,733
Speaker 11: need a top up or I need some fuel or

1061
00:52:30,733 --> 00:52:32,893
Speaker 11: some money to go and do it, and potentially they

1062
00:52:32,933 --> 00:52:37,133
Speaker 11: could give me that. But there are some measures that

1063
00:52:37,693 --> 00:52:42,093
Speaker 11: working income beneficiaries can get, but as yet they haven't

1064
00:52:42,173 --> 00:52:45,533
Speaker 11: changed from teen or fifteen dollars or you know, they'll

1065
00:52:45,613 --> 00:52:47,973
Speaker 11: turn around and say, well, jump on the bus. And

1066
00:52:47,973 --> 00:52:49,772
Speaker 11: in my case, as I say, I drove from christ

1067
00:52:49,853 --> 00:52:52,893
Speaker 11: Church Treshpurton yesterday, there's not a bus goes down there,

1068
00:52:53,613 --> 00:52:56,973
Speaker 11: and yeah, how do you do that? When I was

1069
00:52:57,013 --> 00:52:59,933
Speaker 11: living on farm, like we were thirty five minutes out

1070
00:52:59,933 --> 00:53:03,413
Speaker 11: of Dashburton and there's no bus runs from the reng

1071
00:53:03,413 --> 00:53:08,652
Speaker 11: Guitara river Mouth and Dashburton. So so, and are they

1072
00:53:08,693 --> 00:53:11,853
Speaker 11: helping out the rural sector with this family tax credit

1073
00:53:11,933 --> 00:53:14,693
Speaker 11: thing people that are working on dairy farms and cropping

1074
00:53:14,733 --> 00:53:18,172
Speaker 11: farms and you know, just in that rural sector, are

1075
00:53:18,213 --> 00:53:22,252
Speaker 11: they in living on farm in houses? Are they going

1076
00:53:22,293 --> 00:53:23,093
Speaker 11: to get this top up?

1077
00:53:23,213 --> 00:53:25,893
Speaker 2: Or yeah? I mean it's a good good question, Scott.

1078
00:53:25,933 --> 00:53:27,613
Speaker 2: I mean some of them will. But this is the

1079
00:53:27,613 --> 00:53:31,733
Speaker 2: whole idea on targeted support, right, is that the phrase

1080
00:53:32,013 --> 00:53:35,173
Speaker 2: of targeted is a little bit loose. Is that in

1081
00:53:35,213 --> 00:53:38,853
Speaker 2: this case it's targeting the low to middle income earners.

1082
00:53:39,013 --> 00:53:40,613
Speaker 2: Some of those will be in the rural sector, some

1083
00:53:40,653 --> 00:53:42,453
Speaker 2: of them won't. Some of them will have cars, some

1084
00:53:42,493 --> 00:53:44,493
Speaker 2: of them won't. Some of them will have evs, some

1085
00:53:44,573 --> 00:53:47,293
Speaker 2: of them won't. So it is targeted, but it is

1086
00:53:47,373 --> 00:53:51,253
Speaker 2: still somewhat universal that it is only targeted to a

1087
00:53:51,293 --> 00:53:53,773
Speaker 2: limited ability. And when you start opening it up to

1088
00:53:53,893 --> 00:53:56,693
Speaker 2: more and more sectors of society, well, at that point

1089
00:53:57,093 --> 00:54:00,253
Speaker 2: then they may as well consider something like the fuel

1090
00:54:00,253 --> 00:54:02,533
Speaker 2: excise tax a subsidy on that. But they don't want

1091
00:54:02,573 --> 00:54:05,813
Speaker 2: to do that because of the worries about inflation. But Scott,

1092
00:54:05,853 --> 00:54:07,652
Speaker 2: here what you say, thank you very much for your call.

1093
00:54:07,693 --> 00:54:10,373
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number can

1094
00:54:10,453 --> 00:54:14,893
Speaker 2: to hear from you as well. It's twenty two past two.

1095
00:54:16,373 --> 00:54:19,293
Speaker 2: What's electric bold and could send you to the Tour

1096
00:54:19,333 --> 00:54:22,453
Speaker 2: de France Scoda codes It is the daily code you

1097
00:54:22,533 --> 00:54:25,573
Speaker 2: actually want to crack, So jump on to Skoda dot

1098
00:54:25,613 --> 00:54:28,893
Speaker 2: Co dot NZ crack the code every correct answer puts

1099
00:54:28,893 --> 00:54:30,772
Speaker 2: you in the drawer to win a money can't buy

1100
00:54:30,893 --> 00:54:33,253
Speaker 2: trip for two to the Tour to France. That is

1101
00:54:33,293 --> 00:54:35,573
Speaker 2: going to be amazing, the closest you can get to

1102
00:54:35,613 --> 00:54:38,413
Speaker 2: the action without actually riding a bike. It's all part

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00:54:38,533 --> 00:54:41,733
Speaker 2: of the celebration of Scoder's new electric duo, the l

1104
00:54:41,853 --> 00:54:44,333
Speaker 2: Rock and the En Yak. If you haven't seen them,

1105
00:54:44,373 --> 00:54:46,293
Speaker 2: they are beautiful, go check them out. The l Rock

1106
00:54:46,413 --> 00:54:48,613
Speaker 2: is the first Scoter model to reflect their all new

1107
00:54:48,733 --> 00:54:52,373
Speaker 2: modern solid design language. It is a gobsmacker. The En

1108
00:54:52,493 --> 00:54:55,773
Speaker 2: Yak is where sport meets suv all electric. Get this.

1109
00:54:55,893 --> 00:54:58,533
Speaker 2: It even comes with an umbrella tucked away in the

1110
00:54:58,613 --> 00:55:01,093
Speaker 2: driver's door. So for your chance to win a trip

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00:55:01,133 --> 00:55:02,933
Speaker 2: for two to the Tour de France, jump on to

1112
00:55:03,133 --> 00:55:06,732
Speaker 2: Skoda dot Co dot NZ. Crack the code and you

1113
00:55:06,853 --> 00:55:10,133
Speaker 2: could when new codes dropp daily, So think fast. Can

1114
00:55:10,173 --> 00:55:14,493
Speaker 2: you crack the Scota code?

1115
00:55:15,653 --> 00:55:20,973
Speaker 4: Mad Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons call on Youth Talk V.

1116
00:55:21,413 --> 00:55:24,493
Speaker 2: It is twenty six past to Diane. How are you

1117
00:55:24,493 --> 00:55:25,093
Speaker 2: this afternoon?

1118
00:55:25,613 --> 00:55:28,093
Speaker 12: Oh I've just done the potatoes for tea?

1119
00:55:28,253 --> 00:55:31,413
Speaker 2: Oh lovely? And what else is going with the potatoes?

1120
00:55:32,573 --> 00:55:32,772
Speaker 13: Oh?

1121
00:55:33,093 --> 00:55:40,613
Speaker 12: Just you know, like thozen vegetables and on a sausage

1122
00:55:40,733 --> 00:55:46,933
Speaker 12: night tonight, nice lovely, and I've already made the gravy.

1123
00:55:48,693 --> 00:55:53,573
Speaker 12: I was going to say, yes, I was better annoyed. Well,

1124
00:55:53,653 --> 00:55:58,013
Speaker 12: I'm really quite annoyed because as old people, it still

1125
00:55:58,133 --> 00:56:00,893
Speaker 12: costs us the sat we drive to the We've been

1126
00:56:00,933 --> 00:56:06,253
Speaker 12: cutting down on going places. I only went, you know,

1127
00:56:06,533 --> 00:56:10,973
Speaker 12: been growing to the groceries and then back home again

1128
00:56:11,333 --> 00:56:13,973
Speaker 12: though I didn't get out the country music on Sunday,

1129
00:56:14,293 --> 00:56:16,453
Speaker 12: but then I had had to go to the doctor,

1130
00:56:16,613 --> 00:56:22,093
Speaker 12: so there's another three trips. And also about this asking

1131
00:56:22,333 --> 00:56:25,453
Speaker 12: elderly people to catch a bus and that you have

1132
00:56:25,533 --> 00:56:28,613
Speaker 12: to be have enough strength to be able to carry

1133
00:56:28,653 --> 00:56:31,573
Speaker 12: the goods on the bus and up the steps and

1134
00:56:32,333 --> 00:56:35,373
Speaker 12: what have you. You know, you just it just doesn't

1135
00:56:35,413 --> 00:56:38,493
Speaker 12: happen when you're older running around and catching a bus

1136
00:56:38,493 --> 00:56:42,893
Speaker 12: because you're unless you're going to have meals in town

1137
00:56:43,093 --> 00:56:46,093
Speaker 12: or something like that and catch another bus home. But

1138
00:56:46,653 --> 00:56:50,252
Speaker 12: it just doesn't happen like that. You know, say three

1139
00:56:50,333 --> 00:56:54,493
Speaker 12: loaves of bread for a week, carry that and carry

1140
00:56:54,493 --> 00:56:58,213
Speaker 12: your potatoes and your brosen goods. You know, it takes

1141
00:56:58,253 --> 00:57:01,613
Speaker 12: the back of a carter loaded all and you couldn't

1142
00:57:01,653 --> 00:57:04,773
Speaker 12: load it and on the bus, you know. So I

1143
00:57:04,813 --> 00:57:09,692
Speaker 12: think they really, the government have really, I mean, they

1144
00:57:09,773 --> 00:57:13,933
Speaker 12: haven't worried about about as elderly people it We've still

1145
00:57:13,973 --> 00:57:18,373
Speaker 12: got the same electricity costs. Whether it's one person living

1146
00:57:18,413 --> 00:57:21,333
Speaker 12: in the house or six people living in the house,

1147
00:57:21,733 --> 00:57:26,293
Speaker 12: you're just not running so much shower showers, But to

1148
00:57:26,373 --> 00:57:30,533
Speaker 12: heat your room it costs the same amount for a family.

1149
00:57:30,773 --> 00:57:33,413
Speaker 12: Is what it does to turn your heat pump on

1150
00:57:34,373 --> 00:57:38,653
Speaker 12: for you or me or a person with has four

1151
00:57:38,733 --> 00:57:39,853
Speaker 12: or five kids.

1152
00:57:40,893 --> 00:57:41,693
Speaker 9: Yeah, in one.

1153
00:57:41,613 --> 00:57:43,053
Speaker 2: Room, Yep, you're correct.

1154
00:57:43,253 --> 00:57:46,933
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's to wear stack on this little pensions.

1155
00:57:48,493 --> 00:57:50,533
Speaker 2: There's only so much money to go around though, wasn't

1156
00:57:50,533 --> 00:57:53,933
Speaker 2: there Diane, And and you know, I know, I know

1157
00:57:54,013 --> 00:57:56,093
Speaker 2: there's you know, people like yourself, and it's really tough

1158
00:57:56,133 --> 00:58:00,133
Speaker 2: on that just solely I imagine you're solely on the pension, right, yes, yes,

1159
00:58:00,173 --> 00:58:01,693
Speaker 2: so if you're solely on the pension. Look, you've got

1160
00:58:01,693 --> 00:58:04,013
Speaker 2: the win winter energy payment that's going to hit soon,

1161
00:58:04,093 --> 00:58:05,533
Speaker 2: so that's going to go a little bit way to

1162
00:58:05,573 --> 00:58:07,773
Speaker 2: help you turn the heat pump on. There's going to

1163
00:58:07,813 --> 00:58:10,053
Speaker 2: be an increase on April the first to your pension,

1164
00:58:10,053 --> 00:58:13,013
Speaker 2: which you'll get a little bit further. And it's it's

1165
00:58:13,013 --> 00:58:16,333
Speaker 2: a difficult part of the equation, right because if they

1166
00:58:16,413 --> 00:58:18,973
Speaker 2: if they then go and say we're going to help

1167
00:58:19,013 --> 00:58:20,693
Speaker 2: out pensioners as well. There's a lot of people like

1168
00:58:20,773 --> 00:58:23,453
Speaker 2: you that will will make use of that money. And

1169
00:58:23,493 --> 00:58:24,933
Speaker 2: that sounds like you need it, but there's a lot

1170
00:58:24,973 --> 00:58:27,213
Speaker 2: of people past the age of sixty five. They don't

1171
00:58:27,213 --> 00:58:29,373
Speaker 2: need it. They don't need an extra fifty bucks a

1172
00:58:29,413 --> 00:58:30,053
Speaker 2: week for fuel.

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00:58:30,253 --> 00:58:33,893
Speaker 12: I'm sorry, I'm actually over well over sixty.

1174
00:58:34,013 --> 00:58:36,173
Speaker 2: So you don't sound it in my eighties.

1175
00:58:36,933 --> 00:58:40,333
Speaker 12: Yeah, right, yeah, you're going to I don't sound it.

1176
00:58:40,413 --> 00:58:43,413
Speaker 2: No, you sound pretty tippy to me, Diane.

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00:58:43,973 --> 00:58:46,053
Speaker 12: I still play guitar and do that.

1178
00:58:46,413 --> 00:58:46,653
Speaker 16: Yeah.

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00:58:46,973 --> 00:58:47,973
Speaker 2: What songs do you play?

1180
00:58:48,813 --> 00:58:48,973
Speaker 9: Oh?

1181
00:58:49,093 --> 00:58:50,693
Speaker 12: Counter music, ones.

1182
00:58:50,613 --> 00:58:51,293
Speaker 2: Country music?

1183
00:58:51,333 --> 00:58:53,093
Speaker 3: Did you say country years?

1184
00:58:53,173 --> 00:58:53,333
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1185
00:58:53,333 --> 00:58:54,813
Speaker 2: Who's your favorite country artist?

1186
00:58:55,413 --> 00:58:55,573
Speaker 9: Oh?

1187
00:58:55,773 --> 00:58:56,853
Speaker 12: George Jones.

1188
00:58:57,013 --> 00:58:58,613
Speaker 2: George Jones. Oh he's great, isn't he?

1189
00:58:59,253 --> 00:59:00,293
Speaker 12: And Geene Watson.

1190
00:59:00,893 --> 00:59:01,853
Speaker 2: I don't know who Gene is.

1191
00:59:02,893 --> 00:59:03,693
Speaker 19: Oh he's a.

1192
00:59:05,413 --> 00:59:08,013
Speaker 12: Ge Ay you have to turn him on there or

1193
00:59:08,093 --> 00:59:12,453
Speaker 12: let's all right. Yeah, I haven't done any of his songs.

1194
00:59:12,733 --> 00:59:17,213
Speaker 12: And Laurita and Timmy when that sort of age group.

1195
00:59:17,413 --> 00:59:19,253
Speaker 2: Well, you sound like you're doing pretty well, Diane. To

1196
00:59:19,333 --> 00:59:21,613
Speaker 2: be fair, you play guitar, you're a country lover. You

1197
00:59:21,733 --> 00:59:24,533
Speaker 2: got the spuds on. It's sausage night. I hear what

1198
00:59:24,613 --> 00:59:26,213
Speaker 2: you're saying, but you know, keep pushing on.

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00:59:28,213 --> 00:59:30,573
Speaker 12: Ah, yes, so well. But you know, you've got to

1200
00:59:30,613 --> 00:59:34,613
Speaker 12: think that this government gave us a two dollars rise

1201
00:59:34,853 --> 00:59:38,853
Speaker 12: last year about the star last year and then they

1202
00:59:39,093 --> 00:59:44,693
Speaker 12: text it that was a ridiculous ridiculous They might you know,

1203
00:59:45,413 --> 00:59:48,013
Speaker 12: it was ridic They have made up for it since,

1204
00:59:48,173 --> 00:59:53,613
Speaker 12: but it was the stupidest thing. People have had a

1205
00:59:53,733 --> 00:59:54,933
Speaker 12: brain do those sort of.

1206
00:59:54,973 --> 00:59:58,733
Speaker 2: Things sometimes, Diane. Sometimes no, thank you very much for

1207
00:59:58,813 --> 01:00:01,133
Speaker 2: your phone call. And I get people like Diane on

1208
01:00:01,213 --> 01:00:03,853
Speaker 2: the pension, rely solely on the pension. That is tough,

1209
01:00:03,893 --> 01:00:05,693
Speaker 2: but there's only so much money to go around, and

1210
01:00:05,773 --> 01:00:07,453
Speaker 2: there is you know, you've got the super Gold card,

1211
01:00:07,493 --> 01:00:09,693
Speaker 2: and I get people like Diane pretty hard to go

1212
01:00:09,773 --> 01:00:12,813
Speaker 2: down to the supermarket and get your groceries and jump

1213
01:00:12,853 --> 01:00:14,573
Speaker 2: on a bus. Tell you what we were talking about.

1214
01:00:14,813 --> 01:00:18,013
Speaker 2: Trolley's people who take trolleys away from supermarkets. Diane gets

1215
01:00:18,013 --> 01:00:20,213
Speaker 2: a free pass if she wants to take the supermarket

1216
01:00:20,253 --> 01:00:23,213
Speaker 2: trolley down the street back home. I say, go on, Diane.

1217
01:00:23,733 --> 01:00:26,573
Speaker 2: Nobody will ask any questions about that, right, that's where

1218
01:00:26,613 --> 01:00:28,973
Speaker 2: we'll leave it. We've had so many texts on that,

1219
01:00:29,173 --> 01:00:31,173
Speaker 2: so thank you very much for all your texts and

1220
01:00:31,413 --> 01:00:33,533
Speaker 2: your phone calls. There'll be plenty more on that with

1221
01:00:33,693 --> 01:00:36,573
Speaker 2: Heather at four o'clock, but we're going to change up TOPPIC.

1222
01:00:36,653 --> 01:00:39,573
Speaker 2: After the headlines, I want to talk about Lotto and Powerball.

1223
01:00:39,733 --> 01:00:42,413
Speaker 2: There's a big overhaul coming. I'll tell you more about

1224
01:00:42,493 --> 01:00:44,013
Speaker 2: that next. It is twenty nine to.

1225
01:00:44,053 --> 01:00:48,573
Speaker 13: Three US Talk said be headlines with Your Ride, New

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01:00:48,693 --> 01:00:52,733
Speaker 13: Zealand's number one taxi amp Download your Ride today. The

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01:00:52,853 --> 01:00:56,453
Speaker 13: government's putting an extra fifty dollars in work tax credit

1228
01:00:56,813 --> 01:01:00,453
Speaker 13: into recipients bank accounts from April seven to help counter

1229
01:01:00,613 --> 01:01:03,893
Speaker 13: rising fuel prices. It'll help about one hundred and forty

1230
01:01:03,973 --> 01:01:07,373
Speaker 13: three thousand families most affected, at a cost of three

1231
01:01:07,493 --> 01:01:11,413
Speaker 13: hundred and seventy million dollars. The Reserve Bank governor says

1232
01:01:11,453 --> 01:01:15,093
Speaker 13: they're unlikely to hike the ocr just because of rising

1233
01:01:15,173 --> 01:01:18,733
Speaker 13: fuel prices forced by the Iran war, but Anna Bremen

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01:01:18,893 --> 01:01:22,333
Speaker 13: says they'll act on any rising wage price spiral or

1235
01:01:22,493 --> 01:01:27,333
Speaker 13: changes to overall inflation expectations. A forty five year old

1236
01:01:27,373 --> 01:01:31,693
Speaker 13: christ churchman linked to a religious organization has been charged

1237
01:01:31,773 --> 01:01:36,773
Speaker 13: with unlawful sexual connection in decent assault, strangulation and rape.

1238
01:01:37,893 --> 01:01:40,813
Speaker 13: Health targets between October and December show are two percent

1239
01:01:40,973 --> 01:01:44,413
Speaker 13: rise in ed figures, with seventy four point two percent

1240
01:01:44,453 --> 01:01:49,733
Speaker 13: of patients admitted, discharged or transferred within six hours. Act

1241
01:01:49,773 --> 01:01:52,773
Speaker 13: Deputy Leader Brook van Velden is quitting politics at this

1242
01:01:52,933 --> 01:01:57,453
Speaker 13: year's election. All Blacks Bench options on show in Super

1243
01:01:57,533 --> 01:02:01,013
Speaker 13: Rugby Pacific. You can read Paul Lewis's analysis at end,

1244
01:02:01,053 --> 01:02:04,093
Speaker 13: said Herald Premium, mac Nato, Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

1245
01:02:04,173 --> 01:02:06,333
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Railing. Just before we get into

1246
01:02:06,413 --> 01:02:08,173
Speaker 2: the lotto discussion, just want to get to a couple

1247
01:02:08,173 --> 01:02:11,453
Speaker 2: of texts. I didn't have time for the last hour.

1248
01:02:11,573 --> 01:02:14,133
Speaker 2: This one get ay, Tyler. I am a sole trader

1249
01:02:14,213 --> 01:02:16,493
Speaker 2: contractor who has a diesel use that I need to

1250
01:02:16,573 --> 01:02:19,333
Speaker 2: do my job every day. As in my trade, I

1251
01:02:19,413 --> 01:02:22,453
Speaker 2: can't just pass the cost on as it means my

1252
01:02:22,613 --> 01:02:25,813
Speaker 2: rates become too expensive and will no longer I will

1253
01:02:25,893 --> 01:02:28,293
Speaker 2: no longer get jobs. I'm also not able to get

1254
01:02:28,333 --> 01:02:30,373
Speaker 2: the government assistance, so I have no choice but to

1255
01:02:30,413 --> 01:02:32,733
Speaker 2: suck it up. The package the government have just announced

1256
01:02:32,773 --> 01:02:34,813
Speaker 2: will be useless in two weeks when the cost of

1257
01:02:34,853 --> 01:02:37,813
Speaker 2: everything has gone up as well. In this one here

1258
01:02:38,013 --> 01:02:40,413
Speaker 2: we are a plumbing business with seven vehicles. Not sure

1259
01:02:40,453 --> 01:02:42,133
Speaker 2: how this is going to help us in other trade

1260
01:02:42,173 --> 01:02:45,413
Speaker 2: businesses doing it tough out there. So thank you very

1261
01:02:45,533 --> 01:02:48,013
Speaker 2: much for all those texts. Right, let's have a chat

1262
01:02:48,013 --> 01:02:50,853
Speaker 2: about lotto. So a lot of New Zealand has announced

1263
01:02:50,853 --> 01:02:53,853
Speaker 2: the biggest changes to Powerball in almost twenty years, and

1264
01:02:53,933 --> 01:02:57,093
Speaker 2: a move design to grow prize balls but also make

1265
01:02:57,133 --> 01:03:00,213
Speaker 2: the top jackpot harder to win. So under the overhaul,

1266
01:03:00,493 --> 01:03:03,573
Speaker 2: the maximum jackpot will rise from fifty million dollars to

1267
01:03:03,773 --> 01:03:07,293
Speaker 2: sixty million. Well, the starting prize will increase to five million.

1268
01:03:07,333 --> 01:03:11,213
Speaker 2: There will also be large payouts across several divisions. However,

1269
01:03:11,533 --> 01:03:15,453
Speaker 2: the odds of winning Division one powerball will worsen significantly

1270
01:03:15,893 --> 01:03:18,773
Speaker 2: after the number of power balls is increased, so they're

1271
01:03:18,773 --> 01:03:21,613
Speaker 2: going to go from ten powerballs to fourteen at another

1272
01:03:21,693 --> 01:03:24,413
Speaker 2: four in there. That shifts the chance of winning from

1273
01:03:24,533 --> 01:03:27,573
Speaker 2: roughly one in thirty eight million to one in fifty

1274
01:03:27,653 --> 01:03:30,733
Speaker 2: four million. A newer, lower teer prize division has also

1275
01:03:30,813 --> 01:03:33,973
Speaker 2: been introduced, which is expected to increase the total number

1276
01:03:34,053 --> 01:03:37,053
Speaker 2: of winners and a lot of n Z estimates weekly

1277
01:03:37,093 --> 01:03:40,453
Speaker 2: winners could rise by about a third. So officials say

1278
01:03:40,493 --> 01:03:43,453
Speaker 2: the changes are aimed at keeping the game fresh and

1279
01:03:43,573 --> 01:03:47,133
Speaker 2: appealing while returning more money to players overall, even if

1280
01:03:47,173 --> 01:03:50,453
Speaker 2: the top prize is won less frequently. So what do

1281
01:03:50,493 --> 01:03:53,573
Speaker 2: you think about these changes Lotto and Powerable? Do you

1282
01:03:53,733 --> 01:03:57,453
Speaker 2: still play regularly? Is it still a weekly situation for you?

1283
01:03:57,573 --> 01:03:59,493
Speaker 2: Have you got the same numbers that you use week

1284
01:03:59,533 --> 01:04:01,573
Speaker 2: in and week out? Well, it's twice a week now,

1285
01:04:01,693 --> 01:04:04,173
Speaker 2: isn't it with Saturday and Wednesday? And does it make

1286
01:04:04,333 --> 01:04:07,173
Speaker 2: sense to make the jackpot harder to win if it

1287
01:04:07,253 --> 01:04:11,093
Speaker 2: means people win small prizes instead? I think arguably it

1288
01:04:11,213 --> 01:04:14,493
Speaker 2: does spread out the wins rather than concentrating them on

1289
01:04:14,573 --> 01:04:18,453
Speaker 2: a single jackpot winner more often that if the odds

1290
01:04:18,773 --> 01:04:22,053
Speaker 2: are worse, then that means when it hits the sixty

1291
01:04:22,093 --> 01:04:24,973
Speaker 2: million dollars which is the new figure, and nobody gets

1292
01:04:25,013 --> 01:04:27,133
Speaker 2: the powerball, then it goes to more people. Right, the

1293
01:04:27,253 --> 01:04:29,093
Speaker 2: must win? So what do you say, oh, eight hundred

1294
01:04:29,133 --> 01:04:31,893
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is this a fair away for Lotto

1295
01:04:32,013 --> 01:04:35,293
Speaker 2: to operate in New Zealand? That is always the criticism

1296
01:04:35,373 --> 01:04:37,653
Speaker 2: when someone wins one of the big jackpots and it

1297
01:04:37,733 --> 01:04:40,093
Speaker 2: only goes to one person. You see it constantly on

1298
01:04:40,213 --> 01:04:42,733
Speaker 2: the text machine and comments online that it should be

1299
01:04:42,813 --> 01:04:45,773
Speaker 2: split up to multiple different families in the current climate.

1300
01:04:45,853 --> 01:04:47,733
Speaker 2: So is this the way forward for you? And are

1301
01:04:47,773 --> 01:04:50,493
Speaker 2: you still a regular lotto player? Oh eight hundred eighty

1302
01:04:50,653 --> 01:04:52,933
Speaker 2: ten eighty is the number to call? Nine two ninety

1303
01:04:52,933 --> 01:04:55,573
Speaker 2: two is the text already the text are starting to

1304
01:04:55,653 --> 01:04:58,653
Speaker 2: come through. Get a Tyler. Powerball should go up by

1305
01:04:58,733 --> 01:05:01,413
Speaker 2: a portion of the ticket sales as it accumulates, not

1306
01:05:01,533 --> 01:05:04,533
Speaker 2: a measly one or two million, and they take the

1307
01:05:04,613 --> 01:05:07,133
Speaker 2: rest And this one, why the hell can't they up

1308
01:05:07,173 --> 01:05:10,373
Speaker 2: the lower divisions spread around and you use it to

1309
01:05:10,493 --> 01:05:13,373
Speaker 2: pay out fifteen to twenty million, two dollars fifty a

1310
01:05:13,453 --> 01:05:16,693
Speaker 2: ticket That is rubbish And always wondered why they don't

1311
01:05:16,773 --> 01:05:18,613
Speaker 2: round to the nearest five to ten million to give

1312
01:05:18,653 --> 01:05:20,893
Speaker 2: it to the next levels down. So keep those taps

1313
01:05:20,933 --> 01:05:23,773
Speaker 2: coming through nine to ninety two. But changes to lotto.

1314
01:05:23,893 --> 01:05:26,293
Speaker 2: Are you still in the lotto game at the moment?

1315
01:05:26,293 --> 01:05:28,213
Speaker 2: Are you still buying a regular ticket? Or are you

1316
01:05:28,813 --> 01:05:32,173
Speaker 2: like me? You only get down to the supermarket or

1317
01:05:32,213 --> 01:05:35,173
Speaker 2: the lotto shop when it gets up around thirty forty million.

1318
01:05:35,173 --> 01:05:37,133
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1319
01:05:37,173 --> 01:05:38,813
Speaker 2: It is twenty two to three.

1320
01:05:39,733 --> 01:05:43,613
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons taking your calls on Oh,

1321
01:05:43,653 --> 01:05:44,733
Speaker 1: eight hundred and eighty.

1322
01:05:44,533 --> 01:05:47,333
Speaker 4: Ten eighty with Skoda can you crack the code? Play

1323
01:05:47,493 --> 01:05:49,733
Speaker 4: Scoda codes every day news Dogs.

1324
01:05:49,733 --> 01:05:52,293
Speaker 2: That'd be for a good afternoon, Jude. It is nineteen

1325
01:05:52,373 --> 01:05:54,533
Speaker 2: to three. So there's a big overhaul to the way

1326
01:05:54,613 --> 01:05:57,773
Speaker 2: that power bill is run in New Zealand. This is

1327
01:05:57,813 --> 01:05:59,973
Speaker 2: from LOTO New Zealand, so it's the biggest overhaul in

1328
01:06:00,013 --> 01:06:02,813
Speaker 2: almost twenty years. In a nutshell, they're going to raise

1329
01:06:02,853 --> 01:06:06,693
Speaker 2: the maximum jackpot from fifty million to sixty million. Starting

1330
01:06:06,733 --> 01:06:10,213
Speaker 2: prizes will increase to five million, and there will also

1331
01:06:10,293 --> 01:06:13,933
Speaker 2: be larger payouts across several divisions. They also say that

1332
01:06:14,013 --> 01:06:17,573
Speaker 2: weekly winners could rise by about thirty percent. The offshoot

1333
01:06:17,653 --> 01:06:19,173
Speaker 2: to all of that is they're going to make it

1334
01:06:19,253 --> 01:06:22,533
Speaker 2: harder to win the ultimate prize Division one Powerball, So

1335
01:06:22,613 --> 01:06:25,853
Speaker 2: the odds are going to increase from one in thirty

1336
01:06:25,893 --> 01:06:29,573
Speaker 2: eight million odds to about one in fifty four million odds.

1337
01:06:29,653 --> 01:06:32,213
Speaker 2: So is this a good move from LOTO New Zealand?

1338
01:06:32,373 --> 01:06:34,933
Speaker 2: Is this divvy up the prize the big prize. A

1339
01:06:35,053 --> 01:06:37,893
Speaker 2: little bit more diplomatically, A one hundred and eighty ten

1340
01:06:38,013 --> 01:06:41,493
Speaker 2: eighty is the number to call get apizz Yeah yeah,

1341
01:06:41,573 --> 01:06:42,333
Speaker 2: Ny Tyler.

1342
01:06:42,733 --> 01:06:46,773
Speaker 20: Yeah, I reckon some I don't agree with what they're doing.

1343
01:06:46,853 --> 01:06:51,053
Speaker 20: But it's going up to sixty million. It's already high enough. Now,

1344
01:06:51,133 --> 01:06:54,813
Speaker 20: I reckon what it should be is that if I

1345
01:06:55,013 --> 01:06:58,733
Speaker 20: do my mass, I reckon if people knew that it

1346
01:06:58,813 --> 01:07:01,333
Speaker 20: was going up to say twenty million or thirty million,

1347
01:07:01,813 --> 01:07:03,813
Speaker 20: and then they split that in the say four people

1348
01:07:03,893 --> 01:07:07,573
Speaker 20: or six people whatever, buds sell a lot more tickets.

1349
01:07:07,893 --> 01:07:11,533
Speaker 20: They they deny that that. Wouldn't it be better if

1350
01:07:12,053 --> 01:07:14,893
Speaker 20: four to six people get a two point five or

1351
01:07:14,973 --> 01:07:17,973
Speaker 20: three million each the one person getting sixty million open

1352
01:07:18,013 --> 01:07:21,013
Speaker 20: It's absolutely pathetic. Really, there's no need for that there.

1353
01:07:21,053 --> 01:07:23,213
Speaker 2: Well, I'm getting a lot of tickets in that regard, Piete.

1354
01:07:23,813 --> 01:07:25,893
Speaker 2: I mean, do you think that's enough of a pull

1355
01:07:25,973 --> 01:07:27,573
Speaker 2: to get people buying a lot of tickets? Would that

1356
01:07:27,653 --> 01:07:29,533
Speaker 2: be for you that if you had a better chance

1357
01:07:29,573 --> 01:07:31,933
Speaker 2: to win one or two million dollars rather than the

1358
01:07:32,053 --> 01:07:36,013
Speaker 2: big ultimate life changer of sixty million, would that change

1359
01:07:36,013 --> 01:07:37,893
Speaker 2: anything about how you purchase your ticket?

1360
01:07:38,973 --> 01:07:39,133
Speaker 9: Too?

1361
01:07:39,253 --> 01:07:39,373
Speaker 12: Right?

1362
01:07:39,533 --> 01:07:41,293
Speaker 20: Well, if I knew I wasn't a chance. Like I

1363
01:07:41,373 --> 01:07:44,573
Speaker 20: said before, I had a chance of getting three or

1364
01:07:44,613 --> 01:07:47,653
Speaker 20: four chance for I say four or five chances of

1365
01:07:47,773 --> 01:07:51,413
Speaker 20: getting Well, it's common sense that sell a lot more tickets.

1366
01:07:51,453 --> 01:07:52,253
Speaker 5: I don't know who the.

1367
01:07:52,373 --> 01:07:55,173
Speaker 20: Guys person that's doing the mathematics, so they're not that

1368
01:07:55,333 --> 01:07:57,093
Speaker 20: bright at all because they're sell more tickets.

1369
01:07:57,133 --> 01:07:59,653
Speaker 11: Bay if they come up to that figure I said before, what.

1370
01:07:59,733 --> 01:08:01,693
Speaker 2: Would be a life changing amount for most people? Do

1371
01:08:01,733 --> 01:08:03,613
Speaker 2: you think I'm just trying to run the numbers. If

1372
01:08:03,653 --> 01:08:06,053
Speaker 2: they offered you know, a better chance at winning a

1373
01:08:06,213 --> 01:08:09,253
Speaker 2: life changing figure, I think most people would say a

1374
01:08:09,293 --> 01:08:12,133
Speaker 2: million bucks definitely life changing. What about two hundred thousand

1375
01:08:12,173 --> 01:08:15,613
Speaker 2: dollars would that be life changing?

1376
01:08:15,653 --> 01:08:18,933
Speaker 20: Your recompete, Oh, well it's in say two and here

1377
01:08:19,452 --> 01:08:21,813
Speaker 20: it's not much either, even say two hundred thousand, there's

1378
01:08:21,813 --> 01:08:23,812
Speaker 20: still a lot of money to the ever you give.

1379
01:08:23,733 --> 01:08:25,173
Speaker 2: A lot of money. I think you know that would

1380
01:08:25,213 --> 01:08:26,893
Speaker 2: be It's not going to sort you out for the

1381
01:08:26,973 --> 01:08:28,852
Speaker 2: rest of your life if you're in your forties. But

1382
01:08:29,053 --> 01:08:31,372
Speaker 2: that's certainly life changing, isn't it. You'd pay off a

1383
01:08:31,412 --> 01:08:33,932
Speaker 2: good chunk of the mortgage. You'd set yourself up pretty well.

1384
01:08:34,253 --> 01:08:34,932
Speaker 2: If you're smart.

1385
01:08:35,893 --> 01:08:38,932
Speaker 20: Yeah for the first time. Bus I reckon, yeah, share

1386
01:08:38,973 --> 01:08:41,612
Speaker 20: it around. It's rather than one person getting all that money,

1387
01:08:41,692 --> 01:08:43,213
Speaker 20: it's man that says I don't need that.

1388
01:08:43,372 --> 01:08:45,052
Speaker 11: It's give everybody.

1389
01:08:45,093 --> 01:08:47,053
Speaker 20: We've all put the money in the poll, say share

1390
01:08:47,093 --> 01:08:49,133
Speaker 20: around it. There's a lot more happier people out there.

1391
01:08:49,452 --> 01:08:50,932
Speaker 2: Do you think it's out of touch lotto?

1392
01:08:51,133 --> 01:08:51,293
Speaker 9: Now?

1393
01:08:51,412 --> 01:08:53,333
Speaker 2: When you look at that sixty million dollars and there's

1394
01:08:53,333 --> 01:08:55,333
Speaker 2: a few texts coming through to that regard and a

1395
01:08:55,372 --> 01:08:57,012
Speaker 2: lot of people agreeing with you the lot I should

1396
01:08:57,053 --> 01:08:58,933
Speaker 2: end up four million, make more people win, I e.

1397
01:08:59,053 --> 01:09:01,652
Speaker 2: A million each for four people. So there's a lot

1398
01:09:01,692 --> 01:09:03,412
Speaker 2: of techs coming in that regard. There's a little bit

1399
01:09:03,532 --> 01:09:06,692
Speaker 2: hunger game situation where they they dangle the carrots of

1400
01:09:06,812 --> 01:09:08,812
Speaker 2: sixty million dollars and quite off and it goes to

1401
01:09:08,893 --> 01:09:10,932
Speaker 2: one person and it just feels about out of touch

1402
01:09:10,973 --> 01:09:11,693
Speaker 2: in today's.

1403
01:09:11,412 --> 01:09:16,173
Speaker 20: Climt oh well and truly just it's just it's just stupidity.

1404
01:09:16,333 --> 01:09:18,972
Speaker 20: If they're going to do that, why do that? Okon,

1405
01:09:19,013 --> 01:09:22,093
Speaker 20: it's just crazy the person that's thinking about that new

1406
01:09:22,133 --> 01:09:25,213
Speaker 20: way of doing And I reckon, yeah, they're not thinking right, Eh,

1407
01:09:25,293 --> 01:09:25,732
Speaker 20: it's just me.

1408
01:09:26,532 --> 01:09:28,173
Speaker 2: Well, I've just heard, Pete. A lot of is twenty

1409
01:09:28,213 --> 01:09:30,093
Speaker 2: three million bucks tonight. That's not bad.

1410
01:09:31,213 --> 01:09:32,732
Speaker 20: You know, I'm actually going to go now. You get

1411
01:09:32,772 --> 01:09:34,772
Speaker 20: the six dollar ones, you know, you get the one

1412
01:09:34,812 --> 01:09:36,652
Speaker 20: of four lines on. It's still a chance to win.

1413
01:09:36,812 --> 01:09:40,372
Speaker 2: Do you pick your own numbers? No, that's a much game,

1414
01:09:40,412 --> 01:09:42,053
Speaker 2: because then you're locked in. I know a couple of

1415
01:09:42,093 --> 01:09:43,772
Speaker 2: people and they pick their own numbers, and then they

1416
01:09:43,893 --> 01:09:46,333
Speaker 2: feel that they have to buy every single Saturday and

1417
01:09:46,372 --> 01:09:49,492
Speaker 2: Wednesday because on the off chance that their numbers come

1418
01:09:49,572 --> 01:09:52,013
Speaker 2: up and they haven't bought a ticket, then you know

1419
01:09:52,293 --> 01:09:54,492
Speaker 2: they're going to be miserable for the rest of their lives.

1420
01:09:55,772 --> 01:09:59,132
Speaker 20: That's said, Really, shouldn't we lie on the locko ticket

1421
01:09:59,213 --> 01:10:02,572
Speaker 20: to you know, we all we all like to win it,

1422
01:10:02,652 --> 01:10:05,293
Speaker 20: but you don't. You don't put you you don't put

1423
01:10:05,333 --> 01:10:06,572
Speaker 20: your life at stakeful that day?

1424
01:10:06,612 --> 01:10:06,812
Speaker 9: Do you?

1425
01:10:07,372 --> 01:10:07,412
Speaker 18: Just?

1426
01:10:08,372 --> 01:10:10,692
Speaker 20: It's the lucky it's lucky if you do well. No,

1427
01:10:10,893 --> 01:10:12,892
Speaker 20: it's as straight out of luck. But it's good lucky you.

1428
01:10:12,853 --> 01:10:13,253
Speaker 9: Do win it.

1429
01:10:13,652 --> 01:10:16,692
Speaker 2: What's the most you've ever won, Pete, I've.

1430
01:10:16,572 --> 01:10:19,173
Speaker 20: Only won the odd what do you call it? Thirty

1431
01:10:19,213 --> 01:10:22,652
Speaker 20: five dollars and the vision whatever? Hardly No, really, your

1432
01:10:22,692 --> 01:10:25,133
Speaker 20: returns are not that good. But end of the day,

1433
01:10:25,652 --> 01:10:27,492
Speaker 20: if you don't smoke or drink, you've got to have

1434
01:10:27,572 --> 01:10:29,093
Speaker 20: something to look at for two ends of the week,

1435
01:10:29,133 --> 01:10:29,372
Speaker 20: don't you.

1436
01:10:29,532 --> 01:10:31,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point. I don't like the free

1437
01:10:31,133 --> 01:10:34,012
Speaker 2: tickets though, Pete. That always annoys me. I'm not saying

1438
01:10:34,053 --> 01:10:35,652
Speaker 2: you know nothing wrong with a free ticket, but when

1439
01:10:35,652 --> 01:10:37,772
Speaker 2: it's only one or two lines, I think, why bither

1440
01:10:37,973 --> 01:10:38,972
Speaker 2: just give me a couple of bucks.

1441
01:10:41,372 --> 01:10:43,652
Speaker 20: Yes, I suppose in some ways here because you put

1442
01:10:43,652 --> 01:10:45,933
Speaker 20: you put the money in there, it gives you a

1443
01:10:45,973 --> 01:10:47,612
Speaker 20: little bit of returned from your ticket. And it's not

1444
01:10:47,692 --> 01:10:48,372
Speaker 20: too bad, isn't it.

1445
01:10:48,612 --> 01:10:51,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, Pete's good to hear from your mates in good

1446
01:10:51,372 --> 01:10:53,173
Speaker 2: luck for tonight with your six dollar tickets. So do

1447
01:10:53,253 --> 01:10:55,012
Speaker 2: you agree with Pete? There's a few teachs come into

1448
01:10:55,053 --> 01:10:57,492
Speaker 2: that regard. Getto Tyler, the loto should end at four

1449
01:10:57,532 --> 01:11:00,972
Speaker 2: million dollars. Make more people win a million bucks each,

1450
01:11:01,133 --> 01:11:03,452
Speaker 2: more people can win per week. Even a million dollars

1451
01:11:03,612 --> 01:11:06,013
Speaker 2: is a lot for the average person, Hi, Tyler, I

1452
01:11:06,053 --> 01:11:08,333
Speaker 2: think the lotto should be a maximum of two million dollars.

1453
01:11:08,412 --> 01:11:10,013
Speaker 2: Is to give more people a chance of winning. I

1454
01:11:10,013 --> 01:11:13,772
Speaker 2: always take I always buy lotso on special occasions, but

1455
01:11:13,893 --> 01:11:17,972
Speaker 2: I will not participate in the future. Lotto is less

1456
01:11:18,013 --> 01:11:21,253
Speaker 2: appealing these days. I only play for first division new odds.

1457
01:11:21,412 --> 01:11:23,732
Speaker 2: Not worth it. This will save me twenty four bucks

1458
01:11:23,772 --> 01:11:26,572
Speaker 2: per week from Neil twenty four bucks per week on

1459
01:11:26,652 --> 01:11:29,612
Speaker 2: a lotto ticket. I mean it is crazy expensive. And

1460
01:11:29,732 --> 01:11:31,692
Speaker 2: as I said before, the only time I really buy

1461
01:11:31,812 --> 01:11:34,372
Speaker 2: a lotto ticket is when that jackpot starts hitting around

1462
01:11:34,412 --> 01:11:37,772
Speaker 2: that forty million dollars? Is that greedy Oh eight hundred

1463
01:11:37,853 --> 01:11:40,213
Speaker 2: acy ten eighty is the number to call? He is

1464
01:11:40,253 --> 01:11:42,973
Speaker 2: still a regular lotto player and what would be a

1465
01:11:43,093 --> 01:11:46,012
Speaker 2: life changing amount of money to win? Are those text

1466
01:11:46,093 --> 01:11:48,692
Speaker 2: is right that instead of the big old sixty million

1467
01:11:48,772 --> 01:11:51,372
Speaker 2: dollar jackpot that it will go up to with these changes,

1468
01:11:51,812 --> 01:11:54,492
Speaker 2: does it make more sense to cap it a's say

1469
01:11:54,572 --> 01:11:56,732
Speaker 2: five million dollars? I mean five million dollars are certainly

1470
01:11:56,812 --> 01:11:59,932
Speaker 2: life changing for most people. How much is too much

1471
01:12:00,013 --> 01:12:03,133
Speaker 2: money when it comes to the jackpot at a lot

1472
01:12:03,213 --> 01:12:05,412
Speaker 2: of New Zealand's Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

1473
01:12:05,452 --> 01:12:07,173
Speaker 2: the number to call? Plenty of texts coming through A

1474
01:12:07,253 --> 01:12:09,933
Speaker 2: nine to ninety two is well, it is thirteen to

1475
01:12:10,053 --> 01:12:13,532
Speaker 2: three back for surely the issues.

1476
01:12:13,253 --> 01:12:15,692
Speaker 4: That affect you and a bit of fun along the way.

1477
01:12:15,973 --> 01:12:21,253
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons us Talk ZEDB News.

1478
01:12:21,013 --> 01:12:24,253
Speaker 2: Talk, zed B Rights. The team at Scoter want to

1479
01:12:24,293 --> 01:12:27,012
Speaker 2: send you and a friendal experience the Tour de France

1480
01:12:27,093 --> 01:12:29,012
Speaker 2: when you play Scoter code.

1481
01:12:29,572 --> 01:12:32,213
Speaker 4: Are you ready to crack up the Scoda code?

1482
01:12:32,893 --> 01:12:35,772
Speaker 2: But if you need a bit of a hands cracking

1483
01:12:35,812 --> 01:12:38,812
Speaker 2: today's Scoter code, we are here to help with a clue.

1484
01:12:38,853 --> 01:12:43,852
Speaker 2: And here is that clue. The reason umbrellas mysteriously vanish

1485
01:12:44,412 --> 01:12:47,452
Speaker 2: when you need the most. Their clue again, the reason

1486
01:12:48,093 --> 01:12:52,213
Speaker 2: umbrellas mysteriously vanish when you need their most. So make

1487
01:12:52,293 --> 01:12:54,372
Speaker 2: sure you're in to win a trip for two to

1488
01:12:54,452 --> 01:12:57,572
Speaker 2: the Tour de France at Scoda dot co dot NZ.

1489
01:12:57,772 --> 01:13:01,652
Speaker 2: Thatt Scoter dot co dot z. That is an amazing brize,

1490
01:13:01,973 --> 01:13:05,253
Speaker 2: so make sure you are in to win. Right back

1491
01:13:05,293 --> 01:13:08,173
Speaker 2: to our discussion about Lotto, there's some big changes coming

1492
01:13:08,173 --> 01:13:11,892
Speaker 2: in the later of this year into how Losso operates

1493
01:13:12,013 --> 01:13:13,652
Speaker 2: is going to have a big change to the jackpot

1494
01:13:13,692 --> 01:13:16,452
Speaker 2: from fifty million to sixty million. Are you happy with

1495
01:13:16,572 --> 01:13:18,652
Speaker 2: that or do they need to tinker around the edges

1496
01:13:18,652 --> 01:13:19,852
Speaker 2: a bit more to make it fairer.

1497
01:13:19,893 --> 01:13:25,053
Speaker 19: Get a Doug hi Tyler. First of all, LOTO is

1498
01:13:25,133 --> 01:13:27,532
Speaker 19: not drawn tonight Wednesday night.

1499
01:13:27,732 --> 01:13:31,092
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. I've got a few takes on that regard.

1500
01:13:31,173 --> 01:13:31,612
Speaker 2: On the head of.

1501
01:13:31,612 --> 01:13:36,253
Speaker 19: Myself done, we can tell you that you're an experienced punter.

1502
01:13:36,532 --> 01:13:38,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe they should bring in Big Tuesday as well.

1503
01:13:38,612 --> 01:13:40,732
Speaker 2: Big Tuesday, Big Wednesday, Happy Saturday.

1504
01:13:40,893 --> 01:13:45,213
Speaker 19: Let's go right now. Can you tell me when does

1505
01:13:45,372 --> 01:13:46,012
Speaker 19: this start?

1506
01:13:46,412 --> 01:13:47,852
Speaker 2: They said the second half of this year?

1507
01:13:48,973 --> 01:13:54,452
Speaker 19: Okay, yeah, that's it's a political notice, isn't it.

1508
01:13:55,293 --> 01:13:58,333
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, So here's the line, and there's no specific date.

1509
01:13:58,492 --> 01:14:02,133
Speaker 2: So the LOTO chief executive Jason Delamore sers changes will

1510
01:14:02,133 --> 01:14:03,892
Speaker 2: come into force in the second half of this year.

1511
01:14:04,933 --> 01:14:09,253
Speaker 19: Okay, so I can continue to buy my tickets, which

1512
01:14:09,293 --> 01:14:13,532
Speaker 19: are as the previous speaker said. He doesn't drink, he

1513
01:14:13,612 --> 01:14:18,213
Speaker 19: doesn't smoke, and so that gives me an opportunity to

1514
01:14:18,333 --> 01:14:19,053
Speaker 19: have a bit of fun.

1515
01:14:19,333 --> 01:14:21,732
Speaker 2: Yeah that's right. Yeah, how much you're paying for your ticket? Doug?

1516
01:14:21,772 --> 01:14:23,892
Speaker 2: Are you going for the big one, the twenty four bucker?

1517
01:14:25,412 --> 01:14:25,612
Speaker 12: Well?

1518
01:14:25,692 --> 01:14:28,692
Speaker 19: I do if it's up high, but I also do

1519
01:14:29,812 --> 01:14:37,253
Speaker 19: I take six birthdays, and I take every powerball, which,

1520
01:14:37,372 --> 01:14:39,853
Speaker 19: believe it or not, only cost fifteen dollars.

1521
01:14:40,293 --> 01:14:41,213
Speaker 2: For every powable.

1522
01:14:42,053 --> 01:14:46,852
Speaker 19: Yeah right, okay, if you take the six numbers plus

1523
01:14:47,612 --> 01:14:49,932
Speaker 19: every payaball it costs you're fifteen dollars.

1524
01:14:50,013 --> 01:14:51,572
Speaker 2: Oh so you're one of those people that picks the

1525
01:14:51,612 --> 01:14:52,732
Speaker 2: same numbers each time, Doug.

1526
01:14:54,013 --> 01:14:56,293
Speaker 19: Yes, And then I do another thing where I take

1527
01:14:57,333 --> 01:15:04,452
Speaker 19: numbers one to twenty consecutively, and then I take them

1528
01:15:07,093 --> 01:15:13,612
Speaker 19: every two, four, six, eight, and then I go one, three, five, seven,

1529
01:15:14,173 --> 01:15:19,452
Speaker 19: so consecutive numbers, and then odd numbers and either numbers

1530
01:15:19,812 --> 01:15:23,692
Speaker 19: right up. And that only costs fourteen dollars to do that.

1531
01:15:24,133 --> 01:15:28,572
Speaker 19: Then do it from twenty to up to forty. So

1532
01:15:29,053 --> 01:15:32,053
Speaker 19: there's some madness in that, because often if you hear

1533
01:15:32,612 --> 01:15:37,573
Speaker 19: the results, the consecutive numbers sometimes or odd numbers.

1534
01:15:37,412 --> 01:15:40,572
Speaker 2: Or sounds like a sound strategy. Dug, how much what's

1535
01:15:40,612 --> 01:15:41,333
Speaker 2: the most you've won?

1536
01:15:43,692 --> 01:15:45,732
Speaker 19: Yeah, we'll let a punter only tells you.

1537
01:15:47,492 --> 01:15:50,652
Speaker 2: Give me a ballpark? Is that four figures? Five figures? No,

1538
01:15:51,053 --> 01:15:51,932
Speaker 2: not sex figures.

1539
01:15:53,333 --> 01:15:54,812
Speaker 19: I've won more on the horses.

1540
01:15:56,133 --> 01:15:57,932
Speaker 2: Look, if you get sex figures on the horses, you're

1541
01:15:57,973 --> 01:15:58,612
Speaker 2: doing very well.

1542
01:15:59,013 --> 01:15:59,213
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1543
01:15:59,532 --> 01:16:01,772
Speaker 2: So with these changes, Dug, is that going to change?

1544
01:16:01,772 --> 01:16:03,412
Speaker 2: You have your wee bit of fun. You're not a drinker,

1545
01:16:03,452 --> 01:16:06,133
Speaker 2: you're not a smoker. You'll spend your twenty four bucks

1546
01:16:06,213 --> 01:16:08,892
Speaker 2: or whatever you said you're spending and carry on as

1547
01:16:09,013 --> 01:16:10,452
Speaker 2: usual and hope you win the sixty million.

1548
01:16:10,692 --> 01:16:10,892
Speaker 20: Yeah.

1549
01:16:10,973 --> 01:16:12,772
Speaker 19: I think I'll have to reduce it a bit. I

1550
01:16:12,853 --> 01:16:16,852
Speaker 19: think because other things are getting expensive. I live on

1551
01:16:16,933 --> 01:16:19,692
Speaker 19: my own and I did my shopping today, which came

1552
01:16:19,732 --> 01:16:21,893
Speaker 19: to about one hundred and twenty five dollars, and I

1553
01:16:21,973 --> 01:16:24,733
Speaker 19: think the dearest thing with some batteries.

1554
01:16:25,612 --> 01:16:28,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, it's incredibly I think buying batteries is

1555
01:16:29,532 --> 01:16:31,772
Speaker 2: something we all oath because they are very expensive. What

1556
01:16:31,812 --> 01:16:33,932
Speaker 2: would you do with sixty million dollars, Doug, What would

1557
01:16:33,933 --> 01:16:35,813
Speaker 2: be the first thing you'd buy? Maybe a supermarket?

1558
01:16:37,333 --> 01:16:40,252
Speaker 19: No, I'd buy an ambulance and have it parked outside

1559
01:16:40,333 --> 01:16:42,572
Speaker 19: my house because I'm a regular user.

1560
01:16:43,973 --> 01:16:46,652
Speaker 2: That's smart. That's smart. Okay, So first first thing is

1561
01:16:46,652 --> 01:16:48,372
Speaker 2: an ambulance and have it parked out ready to go

1562
01:16:48,452 --> 01:16:51,133
Speaker 2: at any time twenty four seven. And then it must

1563
01:16:51,173 --> 01:16:53,693
Speaker 2: be something nice you've been thinking about with the fifty.

1564
01:16:53,452 --> 01:16:56,293
Speaker 19: Sixty Yeah, I think what I'd like to do is

1565
01:16:56,772 --> 01:17:00,012
Speaker 19: sort of have some holiday homes around the place which

1566
01:17:00,053 --> 01:17:04,532
Speaker 19: are fully serviced, and friends and relatives and whatever you

1567
01:17:04,652 --> 01:17:08,852
Speaker 19: could use them without worrying too much about thing at all.

1568
01:17:09,093 --> 01:17:11,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a good man, Doug. Thank you very much

1569
01:17:11,093 --> 01:17:13,652
Speaker 2: for giving me a call. What a great man. Give

1570
01:17:13,692 --> 01:17:15,532
Speaker 2: the sixty million to Doug. That sounds like a great

1571
01:17:15,612 --> 01:17:17,093
Speaker 2: use of the funds. Oh wait, one hundred and eighty

1572
01:17:17,173 --> 01:17:19,572
Speaker 2: ten eighty is the number? Call Mike, how are you

1573
01:17:19,652 --> 01:17:20,212
Speaker 2: this afternoon?

1574
01:17:21,572 --> 01:17:22,253
Speaker 21: Very well? Thank you.

1575
01:17:22,772 --> 01:17:24,412
Speaker 22: I think it's seer of sixty million.

1576
01:17:24,532 --> 01:17:28,732
Speaker 21: They should have thirty two million doors. So everybody's going

1577
01:17:28,732 --> 01:17:31,012
Speaker 21: to chains of two million dollars and they just spreads

1578
01:17:31,013 --> 01:17:34,973
Speaker 21: it out a bit more. I've got a very successful

1579
01:17:35,053 --> 01:17:38,652
Speaker 21: winning for then. I've been winning Loto regularly and I

1580
01:17:38,812 --> 01:17:41,492
Speaker 21: basically put my three five dollars a put it on

1581
01:17:41,612 --> 01:17:42,933
Speaker 21: and spend a Christmas.

1582
01:17:42,652 --> 01:17:47,932
Speaker 2: Time, right, Okay, that's worth Yeah.

1583
01:17:48,013 --> 01:17:50,532
Speaker 21: Yeah, it's a great on Monday to have a Christmas time.

1584
01:17:50,893 --> 01:17:51,932
Speaker 21: And I think I'm a winner.

1585
01:17:52,333 --> 01:17:53,852
Speaker 2: Yep, it sounds like you are a winner.

1586
01:17:53,933 --> 01:17:54,093
Speaker 9: Mike.

1587
01:17:54,452 --> 01:17:57,412
Speaker 2: So if it is two million bucks and there's thirty

1588
01:17:57,452 --> 01:17:59,452
Speaker 2: two of them, so is that must win each week?

1589
01:17:59,893 --> 01:18:03,092
Speaker 2: It's two million dollars on say a Saturday or a Wednesday,

1590
01:18:03,173 --> 01:18:05,293
Speaker 2: and it's got to go and they do that every week?

1591
01:18:08,772 --> 01:18:11,852
Speaker 2: Is that what you say? Mike, Yeah, pretty much.

1592
01:18:12,013 --> 01:18:15,053
Speaker 21: Or instead of doing the sixteen million drawer, I have

1593
01:18:15,652 --> 01:18:18,772
Speaker 21: you know, twenty winners or whatever, you know, with two

1594
01:18:18,812 --> 01:18:22,893
Speaker 21: million dollars each. Yeah, when when it comes up to

1595
01:18:23,213 --> 01:18:27,492
Speaker 21: you know, the big bonus things, you know, the super draw,

1596
01:18:27,692 --> 01:18:30,572
Speaker 21: just instead of having that big prize of thirty million dollars,

1597
01:18:30,692 --> 01:18:35,652
Speaker 21: have fifteen prizes of two million dollars east and just

1598
01:18:35,732 --> 01:18:38,972
Speaker 21: draw it out. So that is fifteen winners with two

1599
01:18:39,013 --> 01:18:41,772
Speaker 21: million dollars. And I think that would be well for

1600
01:18:41,893 --> 01:18:43,652
Speaker 21: me being big and SENI if for good, I think

1601
01:18:43,692 --> 01:18:44,652
Speaker 21: you've got a better chance.

1602
01:18:44,853 --> 01:18:47,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, two million dollars would be very nice for a

1603
01:18:47,133 --> 01:18:49,013
Speaker 2: lot of people. Mike, thank you very much for that

1604
01:18:49,812 --> 01:18:51,572
Speaker 2: taking your calls on lot of oh, eight hundred and

1605
01:18:51,572 --> 01:18:53,452
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty. There's a few takes I'll get to

1606
01:18:53,572 --> 01:18:57,732
Speaker 2: after three o'clock. So are these changes to Loto Powerball

1607
01:18:57,893 --> 01:19:00,572
Speaker 2: enough to get you buying tickets again? Or do they

1608
01:19:00,652 --> 01:19:02,492
Speaker 2: need to change the rules to make it a bit

1609
01:19:02,532 --> 01:19:05,612
Speaker 2: more diplomatic? New Sport and Weather, it's coming up three

1610
01:19:05,692 --> 01:19:06,212
Speaker 2: to three.

1611
01:19:06,732 --> 01:19:12,173
Speaker 1: Big stories issues, the big trends and everything in between them.

1612
01:19:12,372 --> 01:19:16,333
Speaker 1: It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoon SQUI Sholder News

1613
01:19:16,452 --> 01:19:18,452
Speaker 1: Talk said, been very.

1614
01:19:18,372 --> 01:19:21,132
Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Chier, welcome back into the show six pass

1615
01:19:21,452 --> 01:19:23,692
Speaker 2: three and we have been talking about a lot, so

1616
01:19:23,893 --> 01:19:25,492
Speaker 2: very soon, I do want to have a chat about

1617
01:19:25,492 --> 01:19:28,173
Speaker 2: what it's like working back of house, if you're in hospitality,

1618
01:19:28,412 --> 01:19:31,173
Speaker 2: what it's life like being a chef or if you

1619
01:19:31,333 --> 01:19:35,333
Speaker 2: work in that industry. There's a big story that has

1620
01:19:35,652 --> 01:19:39,092
Speaker 2: come out internationally today about a very renowned fine dining

1621
01:19:39,333 --> 01:19:43,892
Speaker 2: chef who has effectively been canceled after abuse and bullying

1622
01:19:44,333 --> 01:19:46,532
Speaker 2: allegations have been leveled at him. So we're going to

1623
01:19:46,572 --> 01:19:49,093
Speaker 2: get to that very shortly, but in the meantime, we're

1624
01:19:49,133 --> 01:19:51,812
Speaker 2: going to talk about the changes to Lotto. Oh eight

1625
01:19:51,933 --> 01:19:53,852
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call,

1626
01:19:53,933 --> 01:19:55,852
Speaker 2: So just to recap what the changes are. They're going

1627
01:19:55,933 --> 01:19:59,532
Speaker 2: to change the jackpot from fifty million dollars to sixty

1628
01:19:59,652 --> 01:20:02,452
Speaker 2: million dollars. They're going to increase the chances of winning

1629
01:20:02,492 --> 01:20:05,933
Speaker 2: the smaller prize by about thirty percent, but they are

1630
01:20:06,053 --> 01:20:09,572
Speaker 2: kind of increase the odds winning the big one, the

1631
01:20:09,692 --> 01:20:12,213
Speaker 2: Division one powerball, from one in thirty eight million to

1632
01:20:12,293 --> 01:20:15,652
Speaker 2: one and fifty four million. So do these changes make

1633
01:20:15,732 --> 01:20:18,293
Speaker 2: sense to you? Are you still a regular lotto player

1634
01:20:18,612 --> 01:20:20,532
Speaker 2: or is that gone by the wayside with the way

1635
01:20:20,612 --> 01:20:22,532
Speaker 2: things are in the economy at the moment. Oh, eight

1636
01:20:22,652 --> 01:20:24,492
Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call if

1637
01:20:24,492 --> 01:20:25,973
Speaker 2: you want to send the text nine two ninety two

1638
01:20:26,053 --> 01:20:28,772
Speaker 2: or get to a few of those shortly in the meantime, Kathy,

1639
01:20:28,893 --> 01:20:29,333
Speaker 2: how are you.

1640
01:20:30,293 --> 01:20:33,133
Speaker 9: Hello, Tyler, thank you very much for taking.

1641
01:20:32,933 --> 01:20:34,612
Speaker 2: My call, Thanks for giving us a buzz.

1642
01:20:35,333 --> 01:20:42,612
Speaker 9: I'm absolutely gut cut lynched with their decision with a

1643
01:20:42,612 --> 01:20:45,732
Speaker 9: lot of I remember the old days of the old

1644
01:20:45,853 --> 01:20:50,933
Speaker 9: Golden keiwek two dollars a ticket. The first prize was

1645
01:20:51,333 --> 01:20:55,293
Speaker 9: one hundred thousand dollars. Now this is back in the seventies.

1646
01:20:56,133 --> 01:20:58,692
Speaker 9: Now one hundred thousand dollars could buy you a house,

1647
01:20:59,492 --> 01:21:02,933
Speaker 9: a new car, an overseas trip, and some money in

1648
01:21:03,013 --> 01:21:07,652
Speaker 9: the bank. And there were second, third, fourth, fifths, and

1649
01:21:08,133 --> 01:21:11,373
Speaker 9: go on and on. Then there were twenty twenty prizes

1650
01:21:11,412 --> 01:21:14,852
Speaker 9: of five hundred dollars each, two hundred prices of one

1651
01:21:14,933 --> 01:21:18,812
Speaker 9: hundred dollars each, six hundred prices of fifty dollars each.

1652
01:21:19,973 --> 01:21:25,372
Speaker 2: And it was it worked, you know, the old Golden KEYWI. Yeah,

1653
01:21:25,412 --> 01:21:27,652
Speaker 2: I mean I'm a little bit too young to remember

1654
01:21:27,692 --> 01:21:31,452
Speaker 2: that vividly, But I remember my parents talking about that.

1655
01:21:31,652 --> 01:21:35,013
Speaker 2: So when did they stop that? That was about late

1656
01:21:35,093 --> 01:21:35,692
Speaker 2: eighty was it?

1657
01:21:36,452 --> 01:21:41,933
Speaker 9: Yeah, it was eighty two. I think when Lotto and

1658
01:21:43,053 --> 01:21:46,372
Speaker 9: there was another thing that came on board, and it

1659
01:21:46,532 --> 01:21:50,652
Speaker 9: was a shame because this put for only two dollars.

1660
01:21:50,893 --> 01:21:54,333
Speaker 9: That was a reality trip for summer. I could win

1661
01:21:54,412 --> 01:21:56,492
Speaker 9: a house, I could win a car, I could win

1662
01:21:56,492 --> 01:21:59,173
Speaker 9: an overseas trip, and I have some money in the bank,

1663
01:21:59,492 --> 01:22:04,053
Speaker 9: and I think what lot I was doing. They're just

1664
01:22:04,213 --> 01:22:05,172
Speaker 9: trying to rake.

1665
01:22:05,053 --> 01:22:08,013
Speaker 11: In more money with greed, and.

1666
01:22:09,532 --> 01:22:12,333
Speaker 9: Who wins that money destroys their lives?

1667
01:22:13,732 --> 01:22:14,852
Speaker 2: It does for a lot of people.

1668
01:22:15,253 --> 01:22:15,452
Speaker 13: I know.

1669
01:22:15,532 --> 01:22:17,532
Speaker 2: They've got processes in place that you know, if you

1670
01:22:17,612 --> 01:22:19,653
Speaker 2: win the big one, they ship you up to Wellington

1671
01:22:19,692 --> 01:22:21,612
Speaker 2: and they get a financial advisor in front of you,

1672
01:22:21,893 --> 01:22:24,053
Speaker 2: along with a whole bunch of other people. But you know,

1673
01:22:24,133 --> 01:22:27,532
Speaker 2: this case after case of people winning a heck of

1674
01:22:27,572 --> 01:22:30,492
Speaker 2: a lot of money, and then you know, the next

1675
01:22:30,572 --> 01:22:33,532
Speaker 2: thing you know, you hear that they're broke and their

1676
01:22:33,612 --> 01:22:36,333
Speaker 2: life has been ruined. I don't understand how that can happen.

1677
01:22:36,412 --> 01:22:38,333
Speaker 2: I generally can't understand how that can happen.

1678
01:22:40,013 --> 01:22:42,812
Speaker 9: I mean, I just think Look, honestly, if I won

1679
01:22:42,933 --> 01:22:46,612
Speaker 9: sixty million dollars, I'd probably keep a million dollars and

1680
01:22:46,732 --> 01:22:49,493
Speaker 9: then just give the rest away to all the charities

1681
01:22:49,572 --> 01:22:50,293
Speaker 9: that I bought.

1682
01:22:50,612 --> 01:22:54,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, who was You might remember Kathy? There was a

1683
01:22:54,293 --> 01:22:57,652
Speaker 2: winner who named himself in the end. He worked at

1684
01:22:57,652 --> 01:23:02,053
Speaker 2: a New World, lovely guy that he brought this motor bike.

1685
01:23:03,572 --> 01:23:06,093
Speaker 2: He loved racing, so brought himself a race car. Then

1686
01:23:06,133 --> 01:23:08,532
Speaker 2: he hooked up with somebody and she took her a

1687
01:23:08,572 --> 01:23:11,532
Speaker 2: good chunk of that cash. Oh, his name escapes me

1688
01:23:11,692 --> 01:23:17,213
Speaker 2: right now. Trevor, Trevor the lotto. Poor, Yeah, poor old Trevor.

1689
01:23:17,333 --> 01:23:19,812
Speaker 2: I mean that that sucks. I mean one lotto should

1690
01:23:19,812 --> 01:23:22,812
Speaker 2: have said, Trevor, don't tell anybody you won, don't go

1691
01:23:22,973 --> 01:23:25,333
Speaker 2: to media, just shut up and take the money. But

1692
01:23:25,652 --> 01:23:27,732
Speaker 2: poor old Trevor decided to make his name no one

1693
01:23:27,772 --> 01:23:28,692
Speaker 2: and that was his downfall.

1694
01:23:29,372 --> 01:23:31,772
Speaker 9: Oh yes, and he always says, I'll go back to

1695
01:23:31,893 --> 01:23:33,213
Speaker 9: my supermarket tomorrow.

1696
01:23:33,933 --> 01:23:38,092
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yea happen to Trevor. If you're out there listening, Trevor,

1697
01:23:38,973 --> 01:23:40,093
Speaker 2: can you have a chat with you? Oh e one

1698
01:23:40,173 --> 01:23:42,452
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty. You probably learned from last time,

1699
01:23:42,532 --> 01:23:45,333
Speaker 2: so you might not want to chat. But yeah, I

1700
01:23:45,412 --> 01:23:47,053
Speaker 2: mean that is That is the thing, isn't it When

1701
01:23:47,053 --> 01:23:49,612
Speaker 2: you win that level of money for most people who

1702
01:23:50,093 --> 01:23:52,173
Speaker 2: might not be that savy or have an idea on

1703
01:23:52,253 --> 01:23:55,652
Speaker 2: how to invest it, then quite often it ruins their lives.

1704
01:23:56,333 --> 01:23:59,973
Speaker 9: It's not even been that savvy. If I want that

1705
01:24:00,053 --> 01:24:02,293
Speaker 9: amount of money, I'd be so excited.

1706
01:24:04,893 --> 01:24:06,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. Yeah, I just don't know how you

1707
01:24:06,572 --> 01:24:08,492
Speaker 2: can stuff it up. If you get fifty million or

1708
01:24:08,612 --> 01:24:11,812
Speaker 2: sixty million, and what's the what's the current interest rates

1709
01:24:11,853 --> 01:24:13,572
Speaker 2: if you just put that in the bank about what

1710
01:24:13,812 --> 01:24:18,013
Speaker 2: five percent? So you know that alone is a significant

1711
01:24:18,013 --> 01:24:20,093
Speaker 2: amount of money you're getting on a yearly basis. You're

1712
01:24:20,133 --> 01:24:21,932
Speaker 2: your home and hosts. You don't even need to do anything,

1713
01:24:22,013 --> 01:24:22,772
Speaker 2: just chuck it in the bank.

1714
01:24:23,253 --> 01:24:25,213
Speaker 9: Yeah it's wrong, it's wrong.

1715
01:24:25,853 --> 01:24:28,452
Speaker 2: So so back to the golden Kiwi days. But also

1716
01:24:28,572 --> 01:24:30,452
Speaker 2: you would be on side with a lot of Texas

1717
01:24:30,452 --> 01:24:33,892
Speaker 2: saying split it up. Just have the maximum of two

1718
01:24:33,933 --> 01:24:36,893
Speaker 2: million dollars that you can win from the jackpot, and

1719
01:24:37,013 --> 01:24:38,492
Speaker 2: that goes to thirty two people.

1720
01:24:38,652 --> 01:24:41,892
Speaker 9: I'd go five million dollars because the house now probably

1721
01:24:41,973 --> 01:24:45,733
Speaker 9: costs a million, two million, a nice car, an overseas

1722
01:24:46,293 --> 01:24:49,652
Speaker 9: bit of money in the bank. I'd go five million macs.

1723
01:24:50,013 --> 01:24:52,372
Speaker 2: Five million goes a long way for most people. You know,

1724
01:24:52,492 --> 01:24:55,372
Speaker 2: that is life changing. Yeah, good on you, Kefy, thank

1725
01:24:55,452 --> 01:24:58,532
Speaker 2: you very much. Yeah, the old golden Golden Kiwi, those

1726
01:24:58,572 --> 01:25:01,293
Speaker 2: were the days, I think it. The ultimate jackpot before

1727
01:25:01,333 --> 01:25:04,253
Speaker 2: they ditched it for lotto was five hundred thousand dollars,

1728
01:25:04,253 --> 01:25:05,612
Speaker 2: which is a heck of a lot of money back then.

1729
01:25:05,853 --> 01:25:07,412
Speaker 2: Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1730
01:25:07,532 --> 01:25:11,572
Speaker 2: number to call couple texts, Geo Tyler. All one needs

1731
01:25:11,692 --> 01:25:14,333
Speaker 2: is thirty million dollars tops. That should be the cap

1732
01:25:14,492 --> 01:25:17,412
Speaker 2: and spread the rest around Gerrado. Yeah, thirty million bucks

1733
01:25:17,412 --> 01:25:20,452
Speaker 2: would be nice as a weekly lotto player prior to

1734
01:25:20,572 --> 01:25:23,173
Speaker 2: Powerball would win at least once a month. Now, don't

1735
01:25:23,213 --> 01:25:26,412
Speaker 2: play one million per person enough for anyone, Hi Tyler.

1736
01:25:26,492 --> 01:25:28,852
Speaker 2: On average, they will collect an additional twenty one million

1737
01:25:28,893 --> 01:25:31,333
Speaker 2: per jackpot with the change. How much more will they

1738
01:25:31,452 --> 01:25:34,492
Speaker 2: pay out across all the prizes? I wonder, good question.

1739
01:25:34,772 --> 01:25:36,293
Speaker 2: But as we know, a lot of the money that

1740
01:25:36,372 --> 01:25:38,492
Speaker 2: goes into a lot of goes back out into the community.

1741
01:25:38,612 --> 01:25:43,892
Speaker 2: The sports organizations to community hubs, to art groups, et cetera,

1742
01:25:43,973 --> 01:25:46,612
Speaker 2: et cetera. So it is money that does get used

1743
01:25:46,812 --> 01:25:50,692
Speaker 2: for good in society rather than just going to the

1744
01:25:50,732 --> 01:25:53,812
Speaker 2: government coffers. So you know, oh, eight hundred eighty ten

1745
01:25:53,853 --> 01:25:55,293
Speaker 2: eighty is that number to call if you're still a

1746
01:25:55,372 --> 01:25:58,293
Speaker 2: regular lotto player, Is this going to change anything for you?

1747
01:25:58,812 --> 01:26:02,492
Speaker 2: It is thirteen past three. His talk said, be very

1748
01:26:02,532 --> 01:26:05,692
Speaker 2: good afternoon, and we are talking about the changes to

1749
01:26:05,853 --> 01:26:08,293
Speaker 2: lotto that is coming in the second part of this year.

1750
01:26:08,612 --> 01:26:10,932
Speaker 2: So they're going to increase the jackpot from fifty million

1751
01:26:11,013 --> 01:26:13,692
Speaker 2: bucks to sixty million dollars. The odds are not in

1752
01:26:13,772 --> 01:26:16,053
Speaker 2: your favor though, they're going to increase from one in

1753
01:26:16,213 --> 01:26:19,973
Speaker 2: thirty eight million to one and fifty four million. But

1754
01:26:20,053 --> 01:26:22,772
Speaker 2: they're also going to increase the lower level prizes. They

1755
01:26:22,933 --> 01:26:25,852
Speaker 2: reckon that your chances of winning a lower level prize

1756
01:26:26,013 --> 01:26:28,293
Speaker 2: will increase by about thirty percent, which isn't too bad.

1757
01:26:28,372 --> 01:26:29,932
Speaker 2: So what do you say, Oh, one hundred and eighty

1758
01:26:30,133 --> 01:26:32,572
Speaker 2: ten eighty, Kevin, you're not happy?

1759
01:26:34,372 --> 01:26:38,253
Speaker 15: Yeah, no, I'm happy. I think they've gone the wrong way.

1760
01:26:39,173 --> 01:26:42,492
Speaker 15: Two things. I watched the poverty that's told me every

1761
01:26:42,532 --> 01:26:45,293
Speaker 15: day on the radio and wherever about people who can't

1762
01:26:45,372 --> 01:26:47,812
Speaker 15: feed their kids or send them to school with the

1763
01:26:47,893 --> 01:26:49,892
Speaker 15: lunch but you're going to have a look at where

1764
01:26:49,933 --> 01:26:53,972
Speaker 15: the lotto tickets are coming and going going the wrong way.

1765
01:26:54,812 --> 01:26:59,293
Speaker 15: Put a cap on it at twenty million, scratch the

1766
01:26:59,492 --> 01:27:03,333
Speaker 15: Wednesday draw once a week. There's plenty to be pulling

1767
01:27:03,412 --> 01:27:07,452
Speaker 15: money out of those sort of people as it is now.

1768
01:27:09,093 --> 01:27:10,532
Speaker 2: So you think, well, it's a little bit out of

1769
01:27:10,612 --> 01:27:13,572
Speaker 2: touch what they're doing here. They're raising it to sixty

1770
01:27:13,652 --> 01:27:16,692
Speaker 2: million dollars considering what some people are feeling at the moment,

1771
01:27:17,333 --> 01:27:18,372
Speaker 2: just feels a bit tone death.

1772
01:27:19,492 --> 01:27:23,293
Speaker 15: Well, you know, twenty million buys you a fair bit

1773
01:27:23,333 --> 01:27:27,132
Speaker 15: of luxury, and even if you shared it five ways

1774
01:27:27,492 --> 01:27:29,852
Speaker 15: four million, that buys you quite a nice house. So

1775
01:27:30,532 --> 01:27:33,372
Speaker 15: you know the reality of the thing in the way

1776
01:27:33,412 --> 01:27:37,853
Speaker 15: the country is currently. I think it's absolutely bloody ridiculous

1777
01:27:37,893 --> 01:27:38,532
Speaker 15: where they're going.

1778
01:27:39,452 --> 01:27:42,412
Speaker 2: How much money would change change your life, Kevin? If

1779
01:27:42,452 --> 01:27:45,732
Speaker 2: you won five hundred thousand dollars, would that change things?

1780
01:27:45,772 --> 01:27:48,093
Speaker 2: You'd be happy as you'd be set up now?

1781
01:27:48,133 --> 01:27:51,333
Speaker 15: It wouldn't because we've got a syndicate of eight so

1782
01:27:51,452 --> 01:27:51,692
Speaker 15: we have.

1783
01:27:51,772 --> 01:27:55,213
Speaker 2: To have right, Yeah, you need the big one, even

1784
01:27:55,253 --> 01:27:57,133
Speaker 2: you need at least eight million to get a million

1785
01:27:57,173 --> 01:27:57,612
Speaker 2: bucks each.

1786
01:27:58,333 --> 01:28:01,812
Speaker 15: Yeah, well we've we got twenty seven million a couple

1787
01:28:01,893 --> 01:28:04,293
Speaker 15: of years ago, or twenty seven thousand and a couple

1788
01:28:04,333 --> 01:28:08,133
Speaker 15: of years ago, everybody got three grand. They're all still

1789
01:28:08,173 --> 01:28:11,053
Speaker 15: in credit for another fifteen years for what they put

1790
01:28:11,093 --> 01:28:11,812
Speaker 15: in every week.

1791
01:28:11,973 --> 01:28:14,093
Speaker 2: It's not bad. Oh so you you kept the twenty

1792
01:28:14,133 --> 01:28:15,972
Speaker 2: seven and the keddy just to buy more tickets?

1793
01:28:16,692 --> 01:28:18,732
Speaker 15: Oh no, you give it back to them just for

1794
01:28:18,853 --> 01:28:19,892
Speaker 15: some back every month?

1795
01:28:20,412 --> 01:28:23,173
Speaker 2: Yeah right, and you buy is it every Saturday or

1796
01:28:23,213 --> 01:28:25,173
Speaker 2: every Wednesday as the syndicate all both days?

1797
01:28:25,412 --> 01:28:26,692
Speaker 15: No, just sad day?

1798
01:28:26,933 --> 01:28:28,372
Speaker 2: Yeah right, same numbers each time?

1799
01:28:29,253 --> 01:28:29,293
Speaker 9: No?

1800
01:28:29,893 --> 01:28:31,652
Speaker 10: No, oh you what you go lucky?

1801
01:28:32,732 --> 01:28:32,932
Speaker 20: Yeah?

1802
01:28:33,133 --> 01:28:35,972
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough the old syndicate. So how long you've

1803
01:28:35,973 --> 01:28:36,893
Speaker 2: been running the syndicate for?

1804
01:28:37,853 --> 01:28:40,173
Speaker 15: Oh probably five years?

1805
01:28:40,572 --> 01:28:43,532
Speaker 2: Yeah right, well twenty seven k that's not bad. I mean,

1806
01:28:43,652 --> 01:28:45,293
Speaker 2: was there a part of you, part of you Kevin,

1807
01:28:45,372 --> 01:28:47,333
Speaker 2: that thought cheap as I should have bought my own ticket.

1808
01:28:47,412 --> 01:28:48,293
Speaker 2: That could have been all mine?

1809
01:28:51,452 --> 01:28:56,293
Speaker 15: My wife said to me, is that yours or the syndicated?

1810
01:28:57,053 --> 01:28:57,253
Speaker 18: Yeah?

1811
01:28:58,253 --> 01:29:00,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got to look after the syndicate, Kevin. Good

1812
01:29:00,293 --> 01:29:01,852
Speaker 2: on you. Thank you very much for your phone called

1813
01:29:01,853 --> 01:29:04,532
Speaker 2: a couple of tikes here. The lotto overall is a

1814
01:29:04,572 --> 01:29:06,772
Speaker 2: good thing. I have always thought it was unfair I

1815
01:29:06,893 --> 01:29:09,572
Speaker 2: think the powerbule winner shd not get Division one winnings

1816
01:29:09,612 --> 01:29:12,133
Speaker 2: as well. It's ridiculous that they can win twelve million

1817
01:29:12,173 --> 01:29:15,052
Speaker 2: dollars plus six hundred thousand dollars because they got six numbers.

1818
01:29:15,372 --> 01:29:18,572
Speaker 2: How much more does the powerball winner need? I won't

1819
01:29:18,612 --> 01:29:21,572
Speaker 2: be buying Powerball now until sixteen million dollar jackpot.

1820
01:29:21,652 --> 01:29:21,812
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1821
01:29:21,812 --> 01:29:23,812
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people were thinking that this

1822
01:29:23,973 --> 01:29:27,132
Speaker 2: one get a Tyler Loto is criminal. I was involved

1823
01:29:27,173 --> 01:29:31,772
Speaker 2: in organizations that ran housey as a fundraiser. You had

1824
01:29:31,812 --> 01:29:33,772
Speaker 2: to be approved by internal affairs to run it, and

1825
01:29:33,893 --> 01:29:36,893
Speaker 2: part of the requirements were that if you jackpotted a

1826
01:29:36,933 --> 01:29:41,133
Speaker 2: prize amount, it had to double. Lotto does not do

1827
01:29:41,412 --> 01:29:44,692
Speaker 2: that and never has. That's from Paul Housy. Yeah, those

1828
01:29:44,692 --> 01:29:47,213
Speaker 2: are the days, and dear Lotto, thanks for making it easy,

1829
01:29:47,213 --> 01:29:49,932
Speaker 2: if easy, for me to give up my weekly Saturday ticket.

1830
01:29:50,213 --> 01:29:53,012
Speaker 2: Your changes seem greedy, the odds will be too high,

1831
01:29:53,293 --> 01:29:56,293
Speaker 2: and sixty million dollars is excessive. So do you agree?

1832
01:29:56,333 --> 01:29:58,213
Speaker 2: Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

1833
01:29:58,253 --> 01:30:00,333
Speaker 2: to call? It is twenty past three.

1834
01:30:03,812 --> 01:30:07,253
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and

1835
01:30:07,293 --> 01:30:09,333
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on used Talk said.

1836
01:30:09,133 --> 01:30:11,692
Speaker 2: The twenty two past three, we're talking about the changes

1837
01:30:11,692 --> 01:30:13,692
Speaker 2: a lot of New Zealand are going to implement a

1838
01:30:13,732 --> 01:30:17,012
Speaker 2: little bit later this year, increase the jackpot from fifty

1839
01:30:17,053 --> 01:30:19,412
Speaker 2: to sixty million dollars, making a lot harder to win

1840
01:30:19,772 --> 01:30:22,772
Speaker 2: that jackpot, but also increase the chances of winning a

1841
01:30:22,812 --> 01:30:26,213
Speaker 2: smaller prize by about thirty percent. They reckon Gabriel, it

1842
01:30:26,293 --> 01:30:27,892
Speaker 2: sounds like you've got a heck of a story about

1843
01:30:27,893 --> 01:30:31,572
Speaker 2: your father in law winning the Golden Kiwi jackpot.

1844
01:30:32,293 --> 01:30:34,772
Speaker 23: Yes, it was in those days now and again they'd

1845
01:30:34,853 --> 01:30:37,372
Speaker 23: have a special one like they do now, and this

1846
01:30:37,612 --> 01:30:42,093
Speaker 23: was called the Mammoth Golden Kiwi sixty sixty hours. And

1847
01:30:42,213 --> 01:30:45,652
Speaker 23: then my father in law won it. But in the

1848
01:30:45,732 --> 01:30:50,452
Speaker 23: meantime he passed away, and when they started looking, you know,

1849
01:30:50,652 --> 01:30:53,812
Speaker 23: they were trying to search for people, well, they had it.

1850
01:30:54,973 --> 01:30:57,572
Speaker 23: They didn't have his name because he never he couldn't write,

1851
01:30:57,692 --> 01:31:01,412
Speaker 23: you know, and he used gooted the same shop and

1852
01:31:01,572 --> 01:31:03,692
Speaker 23: the barber used to fill it in for him, and

1853
01:31:04,093 --> 01:31:06,973
Speaker 23: the family realized that it was probably his, so they

1854
01:31:07,093 --> 01:31:10,052
Speaker 23: put a claim and it did take two years before

1855
01:31:10,093 --> 01:31:12,572
Speaker 23: we actually got it. We didn't and we didn't even

1856
01:31:12,853 --> 01:31:15,532
Speaker 23: we got it in bits and pieces, right.

1857
01:31:15,692 --> 01:31:17,492
Speaker 2: So where did the ticket go? So he won it,

1858
01:31:18,173 --> 01:31:20,133
Speaker 2: he had to take it. And what happened to the ticket?

1859
01:31:21,253 --> 01:31:22,452
Speaker 23: It got buried with him.

1860
01:31:22,732 --> 01:31:23,852
Speaker 2: He made have got buried with him.

1861
01:31:24,492 --> 01:31:29,412
Speaker 23: Well, a lot of married people usually get buried. They

1862
01:31:29,692 --> 01:31:31,612
Speaker 23: take a lot of this stuff with them when they

1863
01:31:31,652 --> 01:31:35,652
Speaker 23: get buried. And they buried him with all his clothes,

1864
01:31:35,732 --> 01:31:37,573
Speaker 23: and his ticket was probably.

1865
01:31:37,293 --> 01:31:42,612
Speaker 2: In his pocket of one of his jacket that is,

1866
01:31:42,812 --> 01:31:43,613
Speaker 2: that's unfortunate.

1867
01:31:43,812 --> 01:31:46,412
Speaker 23: So just so he never got it to enjoy it.

1868
01:31:46,612 --> 01:31:48,412
Speaker 2: So it's not that he wanted to take the ticket

1869
01:31:48,532 --> 01:31:50,972
Speaker 2: to to the grave with them. It was just generally

1870
01:31:51,213 --> 01:31:54,213
Speaker 2: a mistake that it was in one of his pockets.

1871
01:31:54,532 --> 01:31:59,772
Speaker 23: And that oh man, and and and all his clothes

1872
01:31:59,893 --> 01:32:03,293
Speaker 23: got buried with him. And amongst that was you know,

1873
01:32:03,492 --> 01:32:07,213
Speaker 23: the golden Kiwi ticket. But luckily, you know, wasn't how

1874
01:32:07,253 --> 01:32:12,012
Speaker 23: he was signing his and the barbershop where you bought

1875
01:32:12,053 --> 01:32:15,012
Speaker 23: at the barber recognized that it probably Wisdom and Tusa

1876
01:32:15,732 --> 01:32:17,892
Speaker 23: got in touch with the family because he always bought

1877
01:32:17,933 --> 01:32:18,892
Speaker 23: it at the same pace.

1878
01:32:19,213 --> 01:32:21,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm glad you got the payout in the end.

1879
01:32:21,652 --> 01:32:23,652
Speaker 2: What a story, Gabrielle. So why did they pay it?

1880
01:32:23,732 --> 01:32:25,852
Speaker 2: In increments. Why don't they just give the family the

1881
01:32:25,893 --> 01:32:26,852
Speaker 2: full sixty thousand.

1882
01:32:27,492 --> 01:32:30,892
Speaker 23: I don't really know, but they certainly. We didn't even

1883
01:32:30,973 --> 01:32:33,532
Speaker 23: get it straight away for a start, you know what

1884
01:32:33,652 --> 01:32:37,293
Speaker 23: I mean. It took us probably twelve months, you know,

1885
01:32:37,333 --> 01:32:39,852
Speaker 23: because I had to find out if anyone else was

1886
01:32:39,973 --> 01:32:43,572
Speaker 23: claiming it, and then there was being six of us,

1887
01:32:43,652 --> 01:32:47,133
Speaker 23: and we ended up with twelve thousand, which in those

1888
01:32:47,213 --> 01:32:48,452
Speaker 23: days you can imagine was.

1889
01:32:50,532 --> 01:32:51,133
Speaker 12: Really lovely.

1890
01:32:51,253 --> 01:32:52,893
Speaker 23: But I still had to go to work because I

1891
01:32:52,933 --> 01:32:55,612
Speaker 23: had a mortgage of three thousand.

1892
01:32:55,253 --> 01:32:59,053
Speaker 2: To pay right, So it wasn't quite life changing, but

1893
01:32:59,133 --> 01:33:02,892
Speaker 2: certainly helped a little bit. Yeah, got on your Gabriel.

1894
01:33:02,973 --> 01:33:05,213
Speaker 2: What a story. I mean, check your pockets, I think

1895
01:33:05,372 --> 01:33:07,372
Speaker 2: is the moral of the story there. But thank you

1896
01:33:07,532 --> 01:33:09,293
Speaker 2: very much for your phone call. A couple of texts.

1897
01:33:09,412 --> 01:33:12,452
Speaker 2: Then we're going to change tact after three thirty. Hey,

1898
01:33:12,732 --> 01:33:15,492
Speaker 2: I think as a main prize, the money goes up,

1899
01:33:15,612 --> 01:33:18,372
Speaker 2: each division win goes up. Instead of the main prize

1900
01:33:18,612 --> 01:33:20,612
Speaker 2: going from four million to eight million, it goes from

1901
01:33:20,772 --> 01:33:24,612
Speaker 2: six million and two million spread across lower divisions. That's

1902
01:33:24,652 --> 01:33:27,293
Speaker 2: from Gavin. Gavin, this one high tyler. I agree with

1903
01:33:27,372 --> 01:33:29,812
Speaker 2: many callers. These changes will stop me wasting my money.

1904
01:33:30,093 --> 01:33:32,692
Speaker 2: I've long thought the big prize is ridiculous and the

1905
01:33:32,732 --> 01:33:35,732
Speaker 2: odds too long. Lower the top prize and share it

1906
01:33:35,812 --> 01:33:38,893
Speaker 2: between more winners. The difference between that top prize and

1907
01:33:39,013 --> 01:33:42,173
Speaker 2: the lower prize is absurd. This appears to make it

1908
01:33:42,333 --> 01:33:46,293
Speaker 2: even worse. Yes, cheers from thee owner and one more

1909
01:33:46,612 --> 01:33:48,932
Speaker 2: Gette Tyler. I put two hundred bucks in my tap

1910
01:33:49,053 --> 01:33:51,892
Speaker 2: account three months ago, and in the last three months

1911
01:33:51,933 --> 01:33:54,572
Speaker 2: I've taken nine grands out and put it in my

1912
01:33:54,612 --> 01:33:56,893
Speaker 2: savings account. I have been in the horse industry for

1913
01:33:56,973 --> 01:34:00,013
Speaker 2: thirty years and study is everything from Pete good on

1914
01:34:00,173 --> 01:34:01,812
Speaker 2: your Pete lotto is not for you, but you're doing

1915
01:34:01,812 --> 01:34:04,412
Speaker 2: all right on the horses right. Thank you very much

1916
01:34:04,452 --> 01:34:06,572
Speaker 2: for all your calls and texts on there. Coming up

1917
01:34:06,572 --> 01:34:10,052
Speaker 2: after three point thirty we talk about back of house

1918
01:34:10,133 --> 01:34:13,093
Speaker 2: staff when it comes to hospitality. This is after allegations

1919
01:34:13,532 --> 01:34:16,372
Speaker 2: against a very well known international chef. His name is

1920
01:34:16,452 --> 01:34:19,213
Speaker 2: Renee red Zeppi. So he was the co founder and

1921
01:34:19,293 --> 01:34:22,732
Speaker 2: head chef of the world famous Copenhagen restaurant Noma, and

1922
01:34:22,893 --> 01:34:26,372
Speaker 2: it has shaken the global fine dining industry. So dozens

1923
01:34:26,412 --> 01:34:29,572
Speaker 2: of former staff members have accused red Zeppi of a

1924
01:34:29,612 --> 01:34:33,333
Speaker 2: long history of physical and psychological abuse during his leadership,

1925
01:34:33,732 --> 01:34:38,492
Speaker 2: including claims of punching, intimidation, public humiliation, and harsh treatment

1926
01:34:38,572 --> 01:34:42,492
Speaker 2: of employees over many years. These accounts largely relate to

1927
01:34:42,572 --> 01:34:45,812
Speaker 2: the period when Nomah was at its peak in terms

1928
01:34:45,853 --> 01:34:49,692
Speaker 2: of global influence. So the saga places the controversy in

1929
01:34:49,692 --> 01:34:53,612
Speaker 2: a wider context, arguing that Nomah helps shape modern fine dining,

1930
01:34:53,692 --> 01:34:57,412
Speaker 2: but also reflects a broader industry culture that I think

1931
01:34:57,612 --> 01:35:00,492
Speaker 2: has in many circles and from what we're led to

1932
01:35:00,572 --> 01:35:05,772
Speaker 2: believe in TV long tolerated toxic kitchen environments, extreme pressure,

1933
01:35:05,812 --> 01:35:09,213
Speaker 2: and unpaid or exploited labor practices. So what is it

1934
01:35:09,293 --> 01:35:13,133
Speaker 2: actually like when it comes to back of house in hospitality,

1935
01:35:13,213 --> 01:35:16,293
Speaker 2: whether you're a chef, whether you're started off in the dishes,

1936
01:35:16,732 --> 01:35:19,572
Speaker 2: Because that is the image we constantly see on TV,

1937
01:35:19,732 --> 01:35:23,412
Speaker 2: the likes of Gordon Ramsay or the TV show The Bear,

1938
01:35:23,973 --> 01:35:27,452
Speaker 2: or Marco Pierre White. It is these larger than life,

1939
01:35:27,612 --> 01:35:32,532
Speaker 2: quite aggressive characters, yelling, screaming. They are high stress, high

1940
01:35:32,612 --> 01:35:35,293
Speaker 2: emotion environments by the looks of it. So is that

1941
01:35:35,412 --> 01:35:38,012
Speaker 2: part and parcel of working in a kitchen or back

1942
01:35:38,492 --> 01:35:41,452
Speaker 2: of house is there not some industries where you would

1943
01:35:41,532 --> 01:35:45,253
Speaker 2: expect that high level of emotion. I know a few

1944
01:35:45,372 --> 01:35:49,892
Speaker 2: chefs and they are work hard, party hard type of people.

1945
01:35:49,973 --> 01:35:53,772
Speaker 2: They deal with that pressure cooker of professional kitchens daily,

1946
01:35:54,492 --> 01:35:58,012
Speaker 2: and many, it's fair to say, are pretty highly strung

1947
01:35:58,053 --> 01:36:01,452
Speaker 2: as well. So what is that balance between high performance

1948
01:36:01,492 --> 01:36:05,612
Speaker 2: and chronic high stress? Is that unavoidable in serious restaurants

1949
01:36:05,732 --> 01:36:08,812
Speaker 2: or if you are a chef. Many professional kitchens operated

1950
01:36:08,893 --> 01:36:12,852
Speaker 2: under the pressure creates excellence mindset where that yelling or

1951
01:36:12,893 --> 01:36:16,772
Speaker 2: harsh discipline was normalized. But more and more you are

1952
01:36:16,933 --> 01:36:19,452
Speaker 2: hearing the stories from those who do work back of house.

1953
01:36:19,933 --> 01:36:24,972
Speaker 2: There is high staff turnover, burnout, mental health issues, plenty

1954
01:36:25,013 --> 01:36:27,093
Speaker 2: of mistakes when you're under that sort of pressure, a

1955
01:36:27,173 --> 01:36:30,692
Speaker 2: loss of skilled chefs leaving the industry entirely. I mean

1956
01:36:30,812 --> 01:36:34,253
Speaker 2: Anthony Bourdain was another one who wrote about it in

1957
01:36:34,933 --> 01:36:38,892
Speaker 2: Kitchen Confidential. The lifestyles of the professional chefs in those

1958
01:36:39,013 --> 01:36:43,452
Speaker 2: kitchens was full on, incredibly full on, high stress, high emotion,

1959
01:36:43,652 --> 01:36:46,852
Speaker 2: high pressure, lots of alcohol, lots of drugs. So what

1960
01:36:47,013 --> 01:36:50,092
Speaker 2: is your experience in cheffing and working in the kitchens

1961
01:36:50,213 --> 01:36:53,452
Speaker 2: in New Zealand? Is that still part of the environment

1962
01:36:53,492 --> 01:36:56,013
Speaker 2: where it is high pressure, there is high emotion, there

1963
01:36:56,173 --> 01:36:59,133
Speaker 2: is yelling and screaming and is that acceptable or have

1964
01:36:59,253 --> 01:37:03,932
Speaker 2: things changed drastically since the days of Gordon Ramsey been

1965
01:37:03,973 --> 01:37:06,612
Speaker 2: in those professional kitchens, since the days of Marco Pierre

1966
01:37:06,692 --> 01:37:09,973
Speaker 2: White and now read Zippi. So I'd love to hear

1967
01:37:09,973 --> 01:37:11,412
Speaker 2: from you if you are a chef or you're a

1968
01:37:11,532 --> 01:37:15,093
Speaker 2: former chef, what was that environment actually like for you?

1969
01:37:15,853 --> 01:37:17,812
Speaker 2: And is that part of the reason why we are

1970
01:37:17,853 --> 01:37:20,173
Speaker 2: struggling for chefs in this country? Oh, eight, one hundred

1971
01:37:20,253 --> 01:37:22,612
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Nine two

1972
01:37:22,732 --> 01:37:25,253
Speaker 2: ninety two is the text as well. Really keen on

1973
01:37:25,333 --> 01:37:28,692
Speaker 2: your experience as back of house in the hospitality industry.

1974
01:37:28,772 --> 01:37:29,372
Speaker 19: What is it like?

1975
01:37:29,692 --> 01:37:31,093
Speaker 2: It is twenty nine past three.

1976
01:37:32,293 --> 01:37:36,652
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1980
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1981
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1982
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1983
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1984
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1985
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1986
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1987
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1990
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1991
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1992
01:38:33,772 --> 01:38:37,253
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1993
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1994
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1996
01:38:50,133 --> 01:38:52,213
Speaker 13: Now back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

1997
01:38:51,893 --> 01:38:54,093
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Raelian's we're talking about back of

1998
01:38:54,372 --> 01:38:59,572
Speaker 2: house staff and hospitality, chefs, dishwashers, chefs, et cetera, et cetera.

1999
01:38:59,692 --> 01:39:01,932
Speaker 2: This is on the back of a well known chef

2000
01:39:01,973 --> 01:39:05,452
Speaker 2: in some circles called called Renee red Zeppi. He was

2001
01:39:05,492 --> 01:39:07,852
Speaker 2: the founder of a restaurant called Noma had a lot

2002
01:39:07,893 --> 01:39:10,452
Speaker 2: of mission stars. It was held up as one of

2003
01:39:10,492 --> 01:39:13,532
Speaker 2: the darlings of the fine dining restaurant. He's now been canceled,

2004
01:39:13,572 --> 01:39:16,372
Speaker 2: though it's all over for him. A dozens of former

2005
01:39:16,412 --> 01:39:18,933
Speaker 2: staff members have accused him of a long history of

2006
01:39:19,013 --> 01:39:23,452
Speaker 2: physical and psychological abuse in the kitchen, Claims of punching, intimidation,

2007
01:39:23,692 --> 01:39:28,892
Speaker 2: public humiliation, and harsh treatment of trainee chefs over many years.

2008
01:39:29,333 --> 01:39:31,213
Speaker 2: And it does paint that picture that we see on

2009
01:39:31,372 --> 01:39:33,452
Speaker 2: TV all the time. And I know it's entertainment, but

2010
01:39:33,532 --> 01:39:36,213
Speaker 2: Gordon Ramsey was notorious for it. I mean that's how

2011
01:39:36,253 --> 01:39:40,853
Speaker 2: he made his money, of this angry, screaming, yelling, intimidating

2012
01:39:41,013 --> 01:39:45,372
Speaker 2: individual who treats his employeeses like absolute crap. And he

2013
01:39:45,572 --> 01:39:47,932
Speaker 2: was trained by Marco Pierre Wright, who did the same

2014
01:39:48,013 --> 01:39:50,173
Speaker 2: to Gordon Ramsey. I remember seeing videos of a young

2015
01:39:50,213 --> 01:39:53,213
Speaker 2: Gordon Ramsey who was cowering in the corner or Marco

2016
01:39:53,333 --> 01:39:56,092
Speaker 2: Pierre White was screaming at him, and clearly that rubbed

2017
01:39:56,133 --> 01:39:59,733
Speaker 2: off on Gordon and he's carried that on into his restaurants.

2018
01:39:59,893 --> 01:40:01,732
Speaker 2: He plays that up for TV. We know that, but

2019
01:40:01,772 --> 01:40:03,372
Speaker 2: you see the same in the likes of the Bear,

2020
01:40:04,053 --> 01:40:06,772
Speaker 2: which is a TV show that did incredibly well. A

2021
01:40:06,893 --> 01:40:09,652
Speaker 2: young chef who I was in the world of fine

2022
01:40:09,732 --> 01:40:12,253
Speaker 2: dining which broke them. So is that the reality when

2023
01:40:12,652 --> 01:40:15,772
Speaker 2: you look at chef life? Is that what you've dealt

2024
01:40:15,812 --> 01:40:18,772
Speaker 2: with in back of house? When it comes to hospitality, Oh,

2025
01:40:18,812 --> 01:40:20,652
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

2026
01:40:20,692 --> 01:40:25,772
Speaker 2: call get a Jeff, I'm good mate. So you have

2027
01:40:26,053 --> 01:40:30,253
Speaker 2: been in hospital for for many many years as a chef.

2028
01:40:30,173 --> 01:40:30,293
Speaker 9: Is it?

2029
01:40:31,612 --> 01:40:31,812
Speaker 5: Yep?

2030
01:40:31,933 --> 01:40:32,253
Speaker 9: Probably?

2031
01:40:32,412 --> 01:40:35,372
Speaker 22: I started as a pill diver, as a what sorry,

2032
01:40:36,572 --> 01:40:38,013
Speaker 22: a pill diver dishwasher?

2033
01:40:38,213 --> 01:40:39,892
Speaker 2: All right, okay, what did you call them?

2034
01:40:41,133 --> 01:40:43,173
Speaker 22: Hell diver? So when we go out to the bars

2035
01:40:43,253 --> 01:40:44,572
Speaker 22: and meet the girls and be like what do you do,

2036
01:40:44,652 --> 01:40:45,692
Speaker 22: you say, are you're a pill diver?

2037
01:40:47,133 --> 01:40:48,173
Speaker 2: It's good pill diver?

2038
01:40:48,853 --> 01:40:50,893
Speaker 22: Yeah, because of all the white plates.

2039
01:40:50,692 --> 01:40:50,812
Speaker 9: You know.

2040
01:40:52,412 --> 01:40:54,412
Speaker 2: That's good. That's good mate. See he started off as

2041
01:40:54,452 --> 01:40:56,572
Speaker 2: a pill diver. Then you reach your way up into

2042
01:40:56,612 --> 01:40:59,053
Speaker 2: the chef and what was that environment like? Was that

2043
01:40:59,732 --> 01:41:02,012
Speaker 2: kind of like we see on TV when it comes

2044
01:41:02,053 --> 01:41:04,852
Speaker 2: to some of these It was like that high stress,

2045
01:41:04,933 --> 01:41:06,133
Speaker 2: higher moment, a lot of yelling.

2046
01:41:07,412 --> 01:41:10,692
Speaker 22: I was a hospital, but it was like everybody that

2047
01:41:10,812 --> 01:41:14,893
Speaker 22: didn't quite fit in outside came to the kitchens, and

2048
01:41:15,053 --> 01:41:19,612
Speaker 22: you had all these crazy people there together. I remember

2049
01:41:19,652 --> 01:41:22,012
Speaker 22: when I was fourteen, I was working in three different

2050
01:41:22,053 --> 01:41:26,492
Speaker 22: restaurants and it was a wild you had different chefs.

2051
01:41:26,532 --> 01:41:30,013
Speaker 22: I watched the chef once grab a guy's hand and

2052
01:41:30,053 --> 01:41:32,852
Speaker 22: stick it into a pot of gravy because he'd stuck

2053
01:41:32,893 --> 01:41:35,133
Speaker 22: his finger and to taste it. And the chef was like, oh,

2054
01:41:35,213 --> 01:41:37,013
Speaker 22: why here's one when you've got a whole hand, and

2055
01:41:37,093 --> 01:41:38,293
Speaker 22: just chucked his hand in there to.

2056
01:41:38,293 --> 01:41:39,052
Speaker 5: Teach him a lesson.

2057
01:41:39,213 --> 01:41:42,532
Speaker 2: What happened to his hand? You would have got serious burns.

2058
01:41:43,732 --> 01:41:44,892
Speaker 24: Yeah it was Yeah, you.

2059
01:41:44,893 --> 01:41:48,452
Speaker 22: Had to rush it under cold water and but yeah,

2060
01:41:48,772 --> 01:41:51,133
Speaker 22: but the other side, you know, you become a team.

2061
01:41:51,372 --> 01:41:55,013
Speaker 22: You look after each other. It's changed quite a lot

2062
01:41:55,133 --> 01:41:58,092
Speaker 22: now now it's kind of like really piscy. I remember

2063
01:41:58,133 --> 01:42:00,412
Speaker 22: one of my last kitchens, I told a girl, you know,

2064
01:42:00,492 --> 01:42:02,372
Speaker 22: you need to listen and pay attention, and she got

2065
01:42:02,452 --> 01:42:03,093
Speaker 22: upset and cry.

2066
01:42:03,812 --> 01:42:07,412
Speaker 2: You know, so yeah, I mean like this. You know,

2067
01:42:07,452 --> 01:42:09,732
Speaker 2: I don't know about this particular chef. I'm just going

2068
01:42:09,812 --> 01:42:12,492
Speaker 2: on this story from the New York Times, but clearly

2069
01:42:12,732 --> 01:42:15,812
Speaker 2: is a fairly young guy. But that's you know, heins

2070
01:42:15,853 --> 01:42:18,452
Speaker 2: why I thought It was an interesting conversation, Jeff, is

2071
01:42:19,572 --> 01:42:23,572
Speaker 2: where is that line between that high pressure, high emotion environment,

2072
01:42:23,652 --> 01:42:26,532
Speaker 2: because you've got to have a little bit of an outlet.

2073
01:42:26,612 --> 01:42:28,812
Speaker 2: I think putting someone's hand and a boiling pot of

2074
01:42:28,853 --> 01:42:32,333
Speaker 2: gravy is probably too far, actually definitely too far. But

2075
01:42:32,452 --> 01:42:34,013
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. When you when you're in

2076
01:42:34,093 --> 01:42:36,652
Speaker 2: that sort of environment and time is of the essence

2077
01:42:36,853 --> 01:42:39,412
Speaker 2: and a dish has been mucked up and you're behind

2078
01:42:39,492 --> 01:42:42,732
Speaker 2: and customers are getting irate, is when you need to

2079
01:42:42,853 --> 01:42:44,692
Speaker 2: raise the voice a little bit, right as you need

2080
01:42:44,853 --> 01:42:47,612
Speaker 2: to inject some energy into that to try and get

2081
01:42:47,692 --> 01:42:48,173
Speaker 2: things done.

2082
01:42:49,973 --> 01:42:50,133
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2083
01:42:50,213 --> 01:42:52,412
Speaker 22: Yeah, when you get into weeds, it gets really tight,

2084
01:42:52,532 --> 01:42:56,093
Speaker 22: but I mean it's the adrenaline that's going. You've got

2085
01:42:56,173 --> 01:42:58,173
Speaker 22: to think, you're like, it's like being in a race.

2086
01:42:58,293 --> 01:43:01,372
Speaker 22: It's like when you're when your pass is loaded. You've

2087
01:43:01,372 --> 01:43:04,732
Speaker 22: got dockets flying everywhere and you're pushing it in. A

2088
01:43:04,772 --> 01:43:07,213
Speaker 22: waitress stuffs up and it's pushing you behind. And you've

2089
01:43:07,253 --> 01:43:11,692
Speaker 22: got this window of time time to serve everyone, and

2090
01:43:11,812 --> 01:43:14,452
Speaker 22: your reputation is on the line, and you're pushing, and

2091
01:43:14,572 --> 01:43:18,093
Speaker 22: you spend all day prepping for this little window to

2092
01:43:18,213 --> 01:43:23,173
Speaker 22: serve people and make them happy. You know it's awesome, so.

2093
01:43:23,612 --> 01:43:25,893
Speaker 2: You yeah, I bet it is, I bet it is.

2094
01:43:26,053 --> 01:43:29,213
Speaker 2: It would be high adrenaline, a massive adrenaline rush. So

2095
01:43:29,452 --> 01:43:31,612
Speaker 2: for you, when you're working in that environment, it must

2096
01:43:31,692 --> 01:43:34,293
Speaker 2: be bloody hard to wind down. I mean as a trail.

2097
01:43:34,293 --> 01:43:37,733
Speaker 2: I've read Kitchen Confidential by Anthony poor Day and they

2098
01:43:37,812 --> 01:43:40,053
Speaker 2: were living it up. Was that the situation that you know,

2099
01:43:40,173 --> 01:43:43,293
Speaker 2: you work hard and your party hard, and that was

2100
01:43:43,372 --> 01:43:44,852
Speaker 2: the lifestyle back house?

2101
01:43:46,173 --> 01:43:47,093
Speaker 10: Well yeah, and now Day.

2102
01:43:47,133 --> 01:43:49,732
Speaker 22: When I first started, I worked at the Bretts in

2103
01:43:49,812 --> 01:43:53,492
Speaker 22: the Union Fish Company, and the Union Fish Company had

2104
01:43:53,572 --> 01:43:55,972
Speaker 22: Tuxedo Rock, which was a nightclub back in the day

2105
01:43:56,173 --> 01:43:59,372
Speaker 22: right above it. So we'd all go straight from cooking

2106
01:43:59,893 --> 01:44:03,093
Speaker 22: up to the nightclub and then we'd probably finished three

2107
01:44:03,173 --> 01:44:05,372
Speaker 22: in the morning, get some sleep, and then starting in

2108
01:44:05,492 --> 01:44:07,892
Speaker 22: about seven eight in the morning, and away we go again.

2109
01:44:08,973 --> 01:44:11,812
Speaker 2: Texas just came through. Jeff did hospital twenty years. Most

2110
01:44:11,893 --> 01:44:16,452
Speaker 2: chefs are alcoholics, hard graft, unsociable, hard life, but good

2111
01:44:16,532 --> 01:44:18,932
Speaker 2: sorts as well, massive characters. Does that ring true?

2112
01:44:20,372 --> 01:44:24,213
Speaker 22: Well, when they say unsociable, it's not that we're unsociable.

2113
01:44:24,452 --> 01:44:26,333
Speaker 22: It's just we're the ones that are doing the work

2114
01:44:26,412 --> 01:44:28,532
Speaker 22: for everyone else. Is doing the social stuff. So we

2115
01:44:28,692 --> 01:44:32,093
Speaker 22: have a different We're like vampires, mate, We come out

2116
01:44:32,173 --> 01:44:35,093
Speaker 22: when everybody else is going to be here, and so hence,

2117
01:44:35,572 --> 01:44:37,812
Speaker 22: you know, we'll go to different places. We'll go to

2118
01:44:37,933 --> 01:44:41,933
Speaker 22: crazy places, all hock up and then they have like

2119
01:44:42,053 --> 01:44:44,093
Speaker 22: the amazing meals in the.

2120
01:44:44,093 --> 01:44:45,333
Speaker 24: Back of a restaurant somewhere.

2121
01:44:45,412 --> 01:44:48,572
Speaker 22: Everyone just gets on and makes us crazy food together. Yeah,

2122
01:44:48,893 --> 01:44:51,372
Speaker 22: it's a real vibe.

2123
01:44:51,853 --> 01:44:53,893
Speaker 2: It sounds like it. So just going back to you know,

2124
01:44:54,013 --> 01:44:57,133
Speaker 2: you had to have a word to one of the employees,

2125
01:44:57,893 --> 01:44:59,612
Speaker 2: a quiet word to say, you know, you've got to

2126
01:44:59,652 --> 01:45:02,452
Speaker 2: step up your game, and she started crying.

2127
01:45:03,293 --> 01:45:04,372
Speaker 11: Is that you know?

2128
01:45:04,853 --> 01:45:07,173
Speaker 2: Is it preciousness? Is that the right word?

2129
01:45:07,213 --> 01:45:07,412
Speaker 8: I mean?

2130
01:45:07,452 --> 01:45:09,532
Speaker 2: And that's got to be a hard way to run

2131
01:45:09,732 --> 01:45:12,612
Speaker 2: a environment like that where time is of the essence

2132
01:45:12,652 --> 01:45:14,412
Speaker 2: and you need a result and you need it quickly,

2133
01:45:14,492 --> 01:45:17,293
Speaker 2: and even if you're not raising your voice to then

2134
01:45:17,372 --> 01:45:20,532
Speaker 2: be accused of bullying. I mean, that's you know, that's

2135
01:45:20,572 --> 01:45:21,772
Speaker 2: a hard balance to find.

2136
01:45:21,812 --> 01:45:25,773
Speaker 22: You Well, some of the some people are powdering princesses

2137
01:45:25,853 --> 01:45:28,173
Speaker 22: made and they come into a into a place with

2138
01:45:28,253 --> 01:45:32,173
Speaker 22: heat and fire, and you have to communicate in the kitchen.

2139
01:45:32,333 --> 01:45:34,412
Speaker 22: You have to be like behind because if you don't

2140
01:45:34,612 --> 01:45:37,452
Speaker 22: fall out where you are or what you're doing, someone's

2141
01:45:37,492 --> 01:45:39,732
Speaker 22: going to swing around with a pan of hot something

2142
01:45:39,853 --> 01:45:41,973
Speaker 22: and you're going to be the one wearing it. So

2143
01:45:42,133 --> 01:45:44,492
Speaker 22: that's that's the culture, you know, and they have it

2144
01:45:44,652 --> 01:45:47,492
Speaker 22: like away shifts and your shift, and it's not so

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01:45:47,692 --> 01:45:52,092
Speaker 22: much hierarchy. It's the language of communication so that people

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01:45:52,213 --> 01:45:55,053
Speaker 22: know how they've said, they've heard that, they know that

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01:45:55,612 --> 01:45:58,093
Speaker 22: that's going on. But if you're a foreigner, you're like

2148
01:45:58,253 --> 01:46:02,372
Speaker 22: man's screaming and yelling and honor. But that's how we

2149
01:46:02,532 --> 01:46:05,333
Speaker 22: know what goes on. And a good kitchen will have

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01:46:05,412 --> 01:46:08,893
Speaker 22: a heartbeat. Yeah, everybody works together, and if you're a

2151
01:46:08,973 --> 01:46:12,293
Speaker 22: princess and you come in, you get your hurt. So

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01:46:12,452 --> 01:46:14,253
Speaker 22: most of the time we're trying to tell people, hey,

2153
01:46:14,372 --> 01:46:18,253
Speaker 22: this is real. You know, you make one mistake and

2154
01:46:18,853 --> 01:46:19,892
Speaker 22: it can be quite drastic.

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01:46:20,133 --> 01:46:21,812
Speaker 9: What's the things fall asleep?

2156
01:46:22,173 --> 01:46:23,892
Speaker 22: I'm going to go and fall asleep and fall into

2157
01:46:23,933 --> 01:46:25,452
Speaker 22: a fryer once because there's wing too.

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01:46:25,412 --> 01:46:27,852
Speaker 2: Many ships cheapers and what happened to that guy?

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01:46:29,253 --> 01:46:29,892
Speaker 22: It was horrendous.

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01:46:29,933 --> 01:46:30,093
Speaker 9: Mate.

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01:46:30,093 --> 01:46:32,053
Speaker 22: He leaned as he went to fall and stuck his

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01:46:32,173 --> 01:46:34,932
Speaker 22: hands forward and focus hands men into the deep Fryer.

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01:46:34,893 --> 01:46:37,173
Speaker 2: Oh Man was that the end of the end of

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01:46:37,213 --> 01:46:37,652
Speaker 2: his career.

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01:46:40,253 --> 01:46:41,852
Speaker 22: It was horrendous, mate, I bet.

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01:46:41,772 --> 01:46:44,293
Speaker 2: It would have been. So what's the turnover, like, Jeff,

2167
01:46:44,333 --> 01:46:46,893
Speaker 2: I mean, is that the situation you know, because you

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01:46:46,973 --> 01:46:48,692
Speaker 2: can't get enough chefs in New Zealand at the moment.

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01:46:48,812 --> 01:46:50,973
Speaker 2: Is that part of the problem that it is a

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01:46:51,253 --> 01:46:53,652
Speaker 2: job that a lot of people wouldn't be able to

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01:46:53,732 --> 01:46:57,412
Speaker 2: handle long term, and hence a lot of people think

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01:46:57,412 --> 01:46:59,652
Speaker 2: they can do it. They get into that environment, realize

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01:46:59,692 --> 01:47:02,692
Speaker 2: it's too cut and thrusts, it's too high stress for them,

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01:47:02,692 --> 01:47:04,333
Speaker 2: and they hang up the towel.

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01:47:05,732 --> 01:47:07,173
Speaker 22: It's part of it, but a lot of it too,

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01:47:07,333 --> 01:47:13,612
Speaker 22: is New Zealand way a just diabolical, mate, what shifts?

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01:47:13,652 --> 01:47:16,333
Speaker 22: Work hard like? I'm really hard made like. It's one

2178
01:47:16,372 --> 01:47:19,093
Speaker 22: of these jobs when you turn up and you work

2179
01:47:19,253 --> 01:47:21,773
Speaker 22: to the end of your ship. If you're lucky, your

2180
01:47:21,853 --> 01:47:24,173
Speaker 22: crouch down somewhere and grab some lunch. But most of

2181
01:47:24,213 --> 01:47:26,612
Speaker 22: the time you're under the pump. And if you're at

2182
01:47:26,612 --> 01:47:29,972
Speaker 22: a good restaurant, you're under the pump. Some good restaurants

2183
01:47:30,013 --> 01:47:31,852
Speaker 22: will have like a family, Neil, where we all get

2184
01:47:31,893 --> 01:47:35,892
Speaker 22: together and have a meal before full service. But that's

2185
01:47:35,973 --> 01:47:36,972
Speaker 22: kind of washed out.

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01:47:36,853 --> 01:47:37,692
Speaker 24: A lot these days.

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01:47:37,772 --> 01:47:39,093
Speaker 22: It used to be a real big thing.

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01:47:39,652 --> 01:47:42,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the more that you're talking, the more

2189
01:47:42,973 --> 01:47:46,293
Speaker 2: I see these industries where you have to be curt

2190
01:47:46,452 --> 01:47:48,932
Speaker 2: and you have to, you know, to a certain extent,

2191
01:47:49,013 --> 01:47:51,372
Speaker 2: yell at people, like on a fishing boat for example,

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01:47:51,412 --> 01:47:53,412
Speaker 2: where as you say, like in a kitchen, you can

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01:47:53,492 --> 01:47:56,492
Speaker 2: get hurt very quickly because there's knives, there's pots, are

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01:47:56,532 --> 01:47:59,973
Speaker 2: boiling whatever. And there's some industries I feel, you know,

2195
01:48:00,053 --> 01:48:02,932
Speaker 2: where we're so in that stage where you can't even

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01:48:03,253 --> 01:48:06,452
Speaker 2: correct someone in a quiet voice without being accused of bullying.

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01:48:06,692 --> 01:48:09,013
Speaker 2: Then you're in that sort of environment you work in

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01:48:09,933 --> 01:48:12,612
Speaker 2: and you can't even correct someone in a kind manner

2199
01:48:12,652 --> 01:48:14,892
Speaker 2: without being accused of the same thing. I mean that's

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01:48:14,933 --> 01:48:15,412
Speaker 2: a problem.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it is, mate.

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Speaker 22: I mean I got my count I worked under a

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01:48:20,933 --> 01:48:24,932
Speaker 22: friendship and he was ruthless, so he pulled no punches.

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01:48:24,973 --> 01:48:30,692
Speaker 4: A Yeah, I learned to cook, you know, and you're

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01:48:30,692 --> 01:48:31,732
Speaker 4: still doing it now, an't you.

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01:48:31,853 --> 01:48:32,892
Speaker 2: You're still doing it now?

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01:48:33,053 --> 01:48:33,253
Speaker 9: Yeah?

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01:48:33,293 --> 01:48:36,133
Speaker 22: Yeah, I think yeah. Catering de catering a lot of

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Speaker 22: American barbecue.

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01:48:38,692 --> 01:48:40,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jeff, thank you very much. I mean, Jeff was

2211
01:48:41,013 --> 01:48:42,492
Speaker 2: right in the thick of it, as he says, it

2212
01:48:42,612 --> 01:48:45,012
Speaker 2: was high stress, high emotion. He saw a lot of biffo,

2213
01:48:45,093 --> 01:48:47,452
Speaker 2: He saw a lot of accidents. Is that the experience

2214
01:48:47,492 --> 01:48:49,852
Speaker 2: you've had back of house or as a chef? Couple

2215
01:48:49,893 --> 01:48:53,013
Speaker 2: of texts coming in, Hi, Gordon Ramsey is the most

2216
01:48:53,053 --> 01:48:56,053
Speaker 2: foul mouthed, obnoxious man ever and would be the first

2217
01:48:56,093 --> 01:48:58,852
Speaker 2: one to complain if his children were treated how he

2218
01:48:59,013 --> 01:49:02,053
Speaker 2: treated others in the kitchen. And this one Jeff's time

2219
01:49:02,093 --> 01:49:05,492
Speaker 2: in hospital is dead and gone. Even the TWM princess

2220
01:49:06,253 --> 01:49:08,612
Speaker 2: hang up your apron and move on. I mean, is

2221
01:49:08,652 --> 01:49:11,612
Speaker 2: that right? Is the restaurant environment or the back of

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01:49:11,652 --> 01:49:15,692
Speaker 2: house house environment changed that much from the Gordon Ramsey's

2223
01:49:15,772 --> 01:49:17,372
Speaker 2: days or the Jeff days? Love to hear from you.

2224
01:49:17,412 --> 01:49:19,412
Speaker 2: Oh wait, one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number

2225
01:49:19,412 --> 01:49:21,372
Speaker 2: to call? Nine to nine? Two is text? It is

2226
01:49:21,492 --> 01:49:22,412
Speaker 2: sixteen to four.

2227
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Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk Matt Heath and Taylor Adams

2228
01:49:27,732 --> 01:49:29,412
Speaker 1: Afternoons with Scoda.

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01:49:29,732 --> 01:49:32,293
Speaker 4: Can you crack the Scotera code news talk Sai'd be.

2230
01:49:32,732 --> 01:49:35,293
Speaker 2: Very good afternoon ju It is fourteen to four. So

2231
01:49:35,412 --> 01:49:38,293
Speaker 2: what is it like as a chef in New Zealand?

2232
01:49:38,372 --> 01:49:40,452
Speaker 2: What is the environment like This is after a very

2233
01:49:40,532 --> 01:49:44,173
Speaker 2: well known chef has been effectively canceled. His name is

2234
01:49:44,213 --> 01:49:47,652
Speaker 2: Renee red Zeppi. He ran a very successful Michelin star

2235
01:49:47,772 --> 01:49:51,812
Speaker 2: restaurant in Copenagen named Noma, but a lot of former

2236
01:49:51,853 --> 01:49:54,412
Speaker 2: staff members have accused him of a long history of

2237
01:49:54,532 --> 01:49:58,293
Speaker 2: physical and psychological abuse during his leadership and time as

2238
01:49:58,333 --> 01:50:01,532
Speaker 2: a well known chef, including claims of punching, intimidation, public

2239
01:50:01,612 --> 01:50:05,933
Speaker 2: humiliation and harsh treatment of employees over many years. And

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Speaker 2: it paints that picture that we see on TV all

2241
01:50:08,013 --> 01:50:10,733
Speaker 2: the time. The poster boy for it is Gordon Ramseys

2242
01:50:11,293 --> 01:50:12,492
Speaker 2: Kitchen Nightmares, etc.

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01:50:12,732 --> 01:50:12,932
Speaker 5: Etc.

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01:50:13,412 --> 01:50:17,412
Speaker 2: The yelling, screaming, intimidation. Is that the reality when you

2245
01:50:17,492 --> 01:50:19,612
Speaker 2: look at kitchen life in New Zealand? And is it

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01:50:19,732 --> 01:50:21,692
Speaker 2: a good career to be a chef?

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01:50:21,732 --> 01:50:21,812
Speaker 9: Oh?

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01:50:21,893 --> 01:50:24,012
Speaker 2: Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number

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01:50:24,053 --> 01:50:26,253
Speaker 2: to call? Nine two ninety two is the text text here?

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Speaker 2: Geta I know a chef. He weeks twelve hour days,

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01:50:28,732 --> 01:50:31,732
Speaker 2: six days a week, drinks six beers a day minimum

2252
01:50:32,013 --> 01:50:34,133
Speaker 2: after work, and double that on his day off. You

2253
01:50:34,213 --> 01:50:36,772
Speaker 2: won't make much money doing it either. He's been doing

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01:50:36,812 --> 01:50:39,052
Speaker 2: it for six years and makes less than two dollars

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01:50:39,093 --> 01:50:41,173
Speaker 2: an hour above minimum wage, so he still has to

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01:50:41,213 --> 01:50:43,893
Speaker 2: flat with students ten years younger than him because he

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01:50:43,973 --> 01:50:46,452
Speaker 2: can't afford his own place. I know another chef who

2258
01:50:46,492 --> 01:50:48,372
Speaker 2: moved to Germany and started a food truck. He is

2259
01:50:48,532 --> 01:50:54,173
Speaker 2: doing much better. And this one here kitchen is worse

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01:50:54,253 --> 01:50:57,133
Speaker 2: than the army. How many times have I wanted to

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01:50:57,333 --> 01:51:00,253
Speaker 2: smack a chef. It is a hard environment and the

2262
01:51:00,333 --> 01:51:03,452
Speaker 2: pay is not even that great. And this one from

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01:51:03,532 --> 01:51:06,333
Speaker 2: John Chef's these days need to have a degree in

2264
01:51:06,372 --> 01:51:09,173
Speaker 2: administration with all the NPI required moments that need to

2265
01:51:09,213 --> 01:51:12,652
Speaker 2: be completed daily, so keep those techs coming through on

2266
01:51:13,053 --> 01:51:15,692
Speaker 2: nine to nine to two. What is it actually like

2267
01:51:15,812 --> 01:51:17,772
Speaker 2: being a chef? There's no doubt about it. We need

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01:51:17,853 --> 01:51:21,492
Speaker 2: more chefs in New Zealand. Hospitality of crying out for

2269
01:51:21,612 --> 01:51:24,052
Speaker 2: more people in the industry. So is it the environment

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01:51:24,093 --> 01:51:27,213
Speaker 2: that you work in? Is it high stress, high risk

2271
01:51:27,412 --> 01:51:30,372
Speaker 2: and low reward? I mean, we had Jeff before who

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01:51:30,532 --> 01:51:32,572
Speaker 2: had been in hospital for a long time and had

2273
01:51:32,692 --> 01:51:35,173
Speaker 2: seen it all back of house. But he did make

2274
01:51:35,253 --> 01:51:38,093
Speaker 2: the point that chef's being a chef is not a

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01:51:38,213 --> 01:51:41,452
Speaker 2: high paying job, even if you get to the upper levels.

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01:51:41,732 --> 01:51:44,012
Speaker 2: And let's be fair, if you're looking at fine dining

2277
01:51:44,452 --> 01:51:47,652
Speaker 2: chefing in New Zealand. The options are fairly limited. But

2278
01:51:47,772 --> 01:51:50,253
Speaker 2: if you have been a chef overseas, how's it gone

2279
01:51:50,293 --> 01:51:51,092
Speaker 2: for you in other places?

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01:51:51,173 --> 01:51:51,253
Speaker 9: Oh?

2281
01:51:51,293 --> 01:51:54,452
Speaker 2: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number? Two?

2282
01:51:54,692 --> 01:51:59,372
Speaker 2: Call gid Ay Tyler. The attitude to women working in

2283
01:51:59,492 --> 01:52:05,932
Speaker 2: kitchens has been known to be very poor in recent years. Interesting,

2284
01:52:06,053 --> 01:52:08,452
Speaker 2: short order cooking is very stressful in the pay and

2285
01:52:08,652 --> 01:52:11,532
Speaker 2: ours are not great. Sounds like an incredibly hard job.

2286
01:52:12,692 --> 01:52:17,652
Speaker 2: And this one here Kaday Tyler. Jeff mentioned it, but

2287
01:52:17,812 --> 01:52:20,892
Speaker 2: there are a lot of snowflakes who think they can

2288
01:52:20,973 --> 01:52:24,132
Speaker 2: work in the kitchen but can't hack it. Physical abuse

2289
01:52:24,213 --> 01:52:27,293
Speaker 2: is not okay, but yelling screaming when time is of

2290
01:52:27,412 --> 01:52:30,812
Speaker 2: the essence and mistakes are costly is essential in that

2291
01:52:30,893 --> 01:52:33,213
Speaker 2: sort of industry. So do you agree? If you work

2292
01:52:33,293 --> 01:52:35,652
Speaker 2: back of house or you work in hospitality and you

2293
01:52:35,732 --> 01:52:38,532
Speaker 2: are a chef, can you hear your experiences? Oh eight

2294
01:52:38,652 --> 01:52:40,492
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number? To call

2295
01:52:40,732 --> 01:52:42,572
Speaker 2: back very shortly? It is eleven to four.

2296
01:52:43,612 --> 01:52:46,973
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

2297
01:52:47,333 --> 01:52:48,253
Speaker 1: everything in between.

2298
01:52:48,532 --> 01:52:51,333
Speaker 4: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used.

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01:52:51,173 --> 01:52:54,972
Speaker 2: DOGSB news dogs there b. It is eight to four,

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01:52:55,053 --> 01:52:56,612
Speaker 2: So we are discussing what is it like being a

2301
01:52:56,732 --> 01:52:59,293
Speaker 2: chef in New Zealand? Is it the high emotion, high

2302
01:52:59,333 --> 01:53:02,932
Speaker 2: pressure situation we see on TV? Adam, how are you mate?

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01:53:04,053 --> 01:53:04,333
Speaker 9: There? You go?

2304
01:53:04,532 --> 01:53:04,772
Speaker 22: Mate?

2305
01:53:05,213 --> 01:53:06,173
Speaker 2: So you're a former chef?

2306
01:53:06,293 --> 01:53:06,652
Speaker 9: Is that right?

2307
01:53:08,492 --> 01:53:08,852
Speaker 2: In fact?

2308
01:53:08,893 --> 01:53:09,412
Speaker 9: I am no.

2309
01:53:09,652 --> 01:53:12,013
Speaker 24: Young Jeff that was on the call earlier. He's a

2310
01:53:12,053 --> 01:53:12,492
Speaker 24: good bugger.

2311
01:53:14,692 --> 01:53:14,973
Speaker 9: It is.

2312
01:53:15,452 --> 01:53:19,053
Speaker 24: Indeed, I think that demographic of chefs has changed. Like

2313
01:53:19,173 --> 01:53:23,652
Speaker 24: when I started cheffing, I kind of ended my schooling

2314
01:53:23,772 --> 01:53:28,372
Speaker 24: career and quite early, and my old man says, we're

2315
01:53:28,372 --> 01:53:30,213
Speaker 24: not sitting around doing nothing and pluck me in a

2316
01:53:30,372 --> 01:53:34,173
Speaker 24: cooking course and then I ended up cheffing, and so

2317
01:53:34,692 --> 01:53:38,012
Speaker 24: I guess there were lots of renegades in the kitchen,

2318
01:53:38,133 --> 01:53:40,772
Speaker 24: so to speak. So it was that like Anthony Boding

2319
01:53:40,933 --> 01:53:45,092
Speaker 24: like it was there. It was a room full of missflits,

2320
01:53:45,133 --> 01:53:47,093
Speaker 24: say to speak, and we could all handle it.

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01:53:47,692 --> 01:53:47,933
Speaker 9: It is.

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01:53:48,853 --> 01:53:51,372
Speaker 24: And I think that to allude to what you were

2323
01:53:51,412 --> 01:53:55,172
Speaker 24: talking about before in regards to the money and stuff

2324
01:53:55,213 --> 01:53:57,973
Speaker 24: like that, Really, if you don't travel and if you

2325
01:53:58,053 --> 01:54:01,452
Speaker 24: don't study, you're not going to make it as a chef.

2326
01:54:01,532 --> 01:54:04,372
Speaker 24: I grew up with lots of chefs, the lots of

2327
01:54:04,492 --> 01:54:07,973
Speaker 24: chef mates, and the ones that have been successful, they

2328
01:54:08,372 --> 01:54:12,293
Speaker 24: went and traveled and really crafted their crafted their skills.

2329
01:54:12,452 --> 01:54:14,372
Speaker 24: So I used to work with the likes of worn

2330
01:54:14,853 --> 01:54:17,333
Speaker 24: born maybe the works down at Amersfield. Used to work

2331
01:54:17,452 --> 01:54:19,812
Speaker 24: the likes of some great chefs that work up north

2332
01:54:19,933 --> 01:54:23,093
Speaker 24: and the ones that went out like them and perfected

2333
01:54:23,173 --> 01:54:25,452
Speaker 24: their skill. They have really cracked it, I guess. But

2334
01:54:25,973 --> 01:54:28,532
Speaker 24: it just doesn't pay. There's just its minimum wage when

2335
01:54:28,532 --> 01:54:31,133
Speaker 24: you enter, and it's hard to get off that and

2336
01:54:31,253 --> 01:54:33,053
Speaker 24: a lot of the sheets. These days, they go through

2337
01:54:33,133 --> 01:54:35,933
Speaker 24: the courses, they do the papers, they walk into a

2338
01:54:36,053 --> 01:54:42,373
Speaker 24: kitchen and then kind of learning on the job, whereas sorry,

2339
01:54:42,812 --> 01:54:46,453
Speaker 24: they learning in a classroom and then they work. Whereas

2340
01:54:47,453 --> 01:54:49,173
Speaker 24: you used to learn on the job and pick it

2341
01:54:49,253 --> 01:54:51,012
Speaker 24: up as you go. So you're a bit more thick skins,

2342
01:54:51,213 --> 01:54:52,932
Speaker 24: few more calluses, few more burdens.

2343
01:54:53,533 --> 01:54:55,852
Speaker 2: It was fun mate, Yeah, it sounds like a hell

2344
01:54:55,893 --> 01:54:57,693
Speaker 2: of a lot of fun, hard work, and as you say,

2345
01:54:57,693 --> 01:55:00,413
Speaker 2: the pay's not great. So to move into the upper

2346
01:55:00,613 --> 01:55:02,812
Speaker 2: chelons is you know, we've got a lot of renowned

2347
01:55:02,893 --> 01:55:07,373
Speaker 2: Kiwi chefs. But was that part of the prerequisite that

2348
01:55:07,453 --> 01:55:09,772
Speaker 2: you had to be pretty resilient sort of person, you know,

2349
01:55:09,893 --> 01:55:12,852
Speaker 2: the Anthony Bourdain misfit type. But you had to be

2350
01:55:12,973 --> 01:55:15,733
Speaker 2: able to deal with that high streets environment, maybe take

2351
01:55:15,772 --> 01:55:18,013
Speaker 2: a bit of yelling at your face at times and

2352
01:55:18,173 --> 01:55:20,812
Speaker 2: suck that up, as well as obviously your culinary skills.

2353
01:55:20,853 --> 01:55:22,293
Speaker 2: But was that part of the deal that you've got

2354
01:55:22,373 --> 01:55:23,253
Speaker 2: to be pretty thick skin?

2355
01:55:24,413 --> 01:55:26,293
Speaker 24: Do you just did get start at the bottom. You've

2356
01:55:26,293 --> 01:55:29,653
Speaker 24: got to take the crap to get to rise above it, like, yeah,

2357
01:55:29,733 --> 01:55:32,893
Speaker 24: one hundred percent. I think when I started cooking was

2358
01:55:32,933 --> 01:55:35,892
Speaker 24: in the mid nineties early nineties, and it was probably

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Speaker 24: the end of the Gordon Ramsey style shifting, I guess.

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Speaker 24: And if you couldn't do it, you got out of

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Speaker 24: the way, and a shifted to say, my hand shift

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Speaker 24: is to say to me, well, if you don't like it,

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Speaker 24: there's a dog people lighting up and wanting to job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was the truth.

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Speaker 24: Anyone with a renowned restaurant, then these people waiting to

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Speaker 24: take your spot.

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Speaker 2: Are you still in food now, animal? Or you went

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Speaker 2: in a completely different direction.

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Speaker 24: No, Well I didn't want to travel and I didn't

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Speaker 24: want to study proficiencies, so I just sold the chess.

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Speaker 24: So I sold food to chess for I cooked for

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Speaker 24: fifteen years and I sold to chess for eleven years

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Speaker 24: and now completely out of out of it all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Adam, thank you very much for giving me a call.

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Speaker 2: Fascinating to get that insight, a great discussion. Thank you

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Speaker 2: to everybody who called in text just before we hit

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Speaker 2: four o'clock. This text here get a tyler BENI chef

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Speaker 2: for thirty eight years and still cooking. Basically, it's all

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01:56:34,333 --> 01:56:37,173
Speaker 2: teamwork and it depends on the leader. Plus, working for

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Speaker 2: wealthy owners is far more profitable than working for small businesses.

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Speaker 2: As for bullying tool, Poppy always wins over the letter.

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Speaker 2: It is always about the leader. But you've got to

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Speaker 2: have resilience to be a chef. So thank you very

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Speaker 2: much for those texts. Right coming up after four o'clock,

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Speaker 2: the Great Heather to Police the Allen is on and

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01:56:57,733 --> 01:57:00,093
Speaker 2: it's a heck of a show. After five, she's got

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Speaker 2: Nicola Willison to talk about this fifty dollars relief package

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01:57:02,893 --> 01:57:06,173
Speaker 2: for working families and Brook van Velden we'll be on

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01:57:06,253 --> 01:57:08,693
Speaker 2: the show as well about her shock decision not to

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Speaker 2: seek re election. That's all coming up after four o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Looking forward to that. In the meantime, we're playing a

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Speaker 2: bit of beer Naked Ladies. If I had a million

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01:57:17,333 --> 01:57:19,852
Speaker 2: dollars love this song. Of course. We had a great

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Speaker 2: discussion about Lotto increasing the jackpot from sixty million dollars,

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01:57:24,413 --> 01:57:26,333
Speaker 2: but a lot of people said a million bucks will

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Speaker 2: be just fine. Thank you very much, We'll see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Have a great iveneage.

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