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Speaker 1: the big issues, the big controversies and the big conversations.

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Speaker 2: Hi, there curred, good afternoon, Welcome into Weekend Sport on

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Speaker 2: News Talks. It'd be for Sunday, June fifteenth, Happy birthday,

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Speaker 2: Nathan Astall. I'm Jason Pineshow producer Andy McDonald. We're talking

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Speaker 2: sport until three. Our Super Rugby Final is set and the.

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Speaker 3: Maglock picks it out. She's all over and river here

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Speaker 3: in Hamilton. The Chiefs have come back from a disleup

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Speaker 3: wedding display against the Blues last week and they've run

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Speaker 3: out the win.

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Speaker 4: It's thirty seven seventeen.

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Speaker 2: So it'll be the Crusaders against the Chiefs, a repeat

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty three, but this one in christ Church

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Speaker 2: next Saturday, five past seven. Chiefs Midfield of Day, your

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Speaker 2: owner with us after one o'clock to assess their display

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Speaker 2: last night and how the weak ahead will look for

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Speaker 2: them and we can start thinking about the final. I

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Speaker 2: think who might be the favorites and what might separate

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Speaker 2: these two sides. I think we've got the best two

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Speaker 2: teams in the final, haven't we? First Up today though

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Speaker 2: a provincial rugby think tank there will reports this week

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Speaker 2: that TV and Z will come on board as a

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Speaker 2: free to wear a partner for the NPC, showing live

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Speaker 2: provincial games on their streaming platform TV and Z Plus

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Speaker 2: from next year. Now us understood Sky will show the

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Speaker 2: All Blacks, the National teams and Super Rugby, but they're

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Speaker 2: going to work with TV and Z so that the

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Speaker 2: NPC and the Pharapartment Cup will appear on both, similar

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Speaker 2: to net Forak, where games are split between Sky and

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Speaker 2: TV and Z a mix of live, delayed, live and

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Speaker 2: highlights packages across boat. Now it's opening up the wider

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Speaker 2: discussion about the NPC and how it should be structured

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Speaker 2: in terms of game times, venues, and actually what provincial

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Speaker 2: unions should actually be about in terms of their key priorities.

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Speaker 2: Got a bit of a panel discussion on the shortly

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Speaker 2: a couple of couple of panelists deeply invested in the

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Speaker 2: grassroots game, and then I really want to get your

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Speaker 2: view as well. Let's reimagine the NPC and see what

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Speaker 2: we can come up with other matters around Today. New

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Speaker 2: Zealand Cricket has a new chief Chief High Performance Officer.

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Speaker 2: Daryl Gibson is the man former All Black. He replaces

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Speaker 2: Brian Stronach in the role next month. He's going to

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Speaker 2: join us after two. Speaking of cricket, South Africa have

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Speaker 2: ended twenty seven years of hurt, beating Australia by five

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Speaker 2: wickets and lords to win Cricket's World Test Championship Aiden

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Speaker 2: Mark from one hundred and thirty six. His innings was instrumental.

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Speaker 2: The protests have ended a drought stretching all the way

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Speaker 2: back to the nineteen ninety eight champions Trophy. That's a

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Speaker 2: long wait. We'll wrap that for you. Plenty going on

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Speaker 2: in American sport as well right now. Cover that off

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Speaker 2: for you to two with Leon Busby, James mccony and

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Speaker 2: his regular slot too. Just updating you. On the golf,

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Speaker 2: Ryan Fox has shot a third round three over past

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Speaker 2: seventy three at the US Open. The field continues to

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Speaker 2: struggle to tame this Oakmont course. It's been quite the

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Speaker 2: battle for the world's top golfers at the US Open.

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Speaker 2: Ryan Fox is tied for thirty ninth at eight over

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Speaker 2: for the tournament, and last time I checked and I'll

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Speaker 2: just update this, only four golfers currently under par. One

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Speaker 2: today three under to be three under for the tournament.

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Speaker 2: Sam Burns, who of course Ryan Fox beat in that

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Speaker 2: playoff at the Canadian Golf Open a week ago, is

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Speaker 2: the clubhouse leader after the third round four under par

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Speaker 2: Adam Scott and JJ Sporn at three under. Victor Hoveland

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Speaker 2: Liam Lawson, as you heard now news unable to take

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Speaker 2: his practice form into qualifying for the Canadian Grand Prix.

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Speaker 2: After top ten finishes in the first two prak De sessions,

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Speaker 2: Liam could only set the nineteenth fastest qualifying time. He

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Speaker 2: will start one place higher, though Yuki Sonoda has been

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Speaker 2: cover off the Canadian Grand Prina. But a goal for

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Speaker 1: Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails weekend

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Speaker 2: Want to start the show today with grassroots rugby, Community

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Speaker 2: rugby provincial rugby. As negotiations continue on a new broadcast

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Speaker 2: deal between Sky and New Zealand Rugby reports this week

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Speaker 2: that tvn Z will come on board as a free

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Speaker 2: to wear partner. They'll show some live NPC games on

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Speaker 2: their streaming platform TVNZ Plus from next year onwards. Now,

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Speaker 2: this would have to be a massive win for the

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Speaker 2: provincial game. It's also though, as I said before, opened

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Speaker 2: a wider discussion about the structure of the NPC, when

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Speaker 2: and where games should be played, and what the core

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Speaker 2: role of provincial unions should actually be. So we've assembled

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Speaker 2: a two man panel and both men with strong provincial

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Speaker 2: links and vast experience in the grassroots game. Shane Drummond

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Speaker 2: out of the Tasman region, longtime supporter of rugby in

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Speaker 2: that part of the country as well as a Highlander

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Speaker 2: shareholder and board member.

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Speaker 5: How are your Drummy, good morning, We'll good afternoon, pony.

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Speaker 6: Good to have you with us.

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Speaker 2: Mate and longtime commentator and grassroots supporter out of the

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Speaker 2: Northland region, Steve Harris is here too.

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Speaker 7: Get a Steve, Yeah, get a pony, and good afternoon

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Speaker 7: to your listeners.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good to have you both with us, guys. Let's

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Speaker 2: start with the free to wear component that's being reported

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Speaker 2: this in the latest broadcast deal NPC by the sounds

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Speaker 2: of It will have some of its games shown on

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Speaker 2: win drummy would this be for provincial unions and for

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Speaker 2: rugby fans.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think huge pioneer, and I think that's why

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Speaker 5: we're discussing it because obviously opens a grand opportunity for

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Speaker 5: Rugby full stop is huge because it's obviously a commercial

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Speaker 5: to their viewership as well. So it's one of those delicate,

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Speaker 5: I'm sure negotiations. But yeah, as far as your original

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Speaker 5: does lots because there is a lot of people that

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Speaker 5: of foty without having to pay. No person would deny

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Speaker 5: that's a win.

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Speaker 2: I don't suppose you deny it to win. Steve pretty

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Speaker 7: Yeah, very much so. The thing that TVD does very

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Speaker 2: All right, well, let's assume then that this is going

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Speaker 2: Guys from me, are you a fan of afternoon rugby?

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Speaker 2: Should games be played in the NPC mainly during the day?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, obviously when you're asking my personal opinion on that,

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Speaker 8: Win as well.

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Speaker 5: And that's probably more for the kids of the world,

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Speaker 5: opportunity for your provincial team to bring as many people

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how important, Steve, is it to have the ability

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Speaker 2: for as many kids as possible to go along to

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Speaker 2: watch live rugby. I mean we've talked about the freedomware

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Speaker 2: component which opens doors up, but what about the ability

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Speaker 2: to make kickoff times friendly enough so as many kids

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Speaker 7: Yeah, lost one hundred percent. I think some of the

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Speaker 7: unions themselves, they've got a lot of work to do

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Speaker 7: the communities, schools. I know in our new area of Northland,

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Speaker 7: I know James Fisher Harris is a very proud Northland

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Speaker 7: a provincial union, they get a lot of their players

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Speaker 7: out to the various schools, communities. Hey, even if it's

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Speaker 7: you've got to be seen out there, all right.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about match venues as well, because

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Speaker 2: you know, there's a suggestion that that Sky and New

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Speaker 2: Zealand Rugby are quite keen to have matches in PC

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Speaker 2: matches far a Palmer Cup matches played at smaller, more

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Speaker 2: intimate venues. Now, you blokes have both got got pretty

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Speaker 2: good venues for MPC sides Tasman playing both Nelson and

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Speaker 2: Blenham Drummy Trafalgar Park, Lansdowne Park good venues. But is

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Speaker 2: this a good idea for the likes of Auckland, Wellington,

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Speaker 2: Otago to move away from these big, cavernous Super Rugby stadiums.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well Pliny, like you say, Tasman have got the

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Speaker 5: coverage with Blennam and Nelson with their two parks. That's fine.

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Speaker 5: But you know we've had build up games for Super

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Speaker 5: Park Nottowaka. Then I don't know if you've experienced the

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Speaker 5: sort of the turnouts for those, but we've regularly had

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Speaker 5: the other thing, like you're touching on with the Auckland,

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Speaker 5: grassroot rugby type venues to get that real build up

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Speaker 5: and buy and from your community I think would be

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Speaker 5: again another big one.

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Speaker 2: Steve Northland played at Seminole Stadium and Fungerai. How does

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Speaker 2: that work as a provincial venue?

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Speaker 7: Oh listen, fantastic. A lot of work done in the community.

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Speaker 7: I think I can even remember talking to you a

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Speaker 7: couple of seasons back when the Tunny far played one

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Speaker 7: It's one of those grounds that you're very very close,

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Speaker 7: We know we've got Scotland playing New Zealand Maori. The

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Speaker 7: more likely preseason games. So you know, it's really important

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Speaker 2: Just want to talk about the role of the provincial

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well all those things you've just said are fair

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Speaker 10: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Saying with you on that, Steve, what about a guy

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Speaker 7: Oh, we've still got a lot around there. We've actually

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Speaker 7: Because once again that's a that's another conversation its own,

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Speaker 2: Just want to finish with with what the MPC might

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, if you look over the last few years,

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Speaker 2: What's your assessment, Steve. Do you you believe that the

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Speaker 7: I think it's very fit for purpose because if you

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Speaker 7: It's a pathway to super rugby. It's it's a pathway too,

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Speaker 7: But I agree with showing before about that competitiveness. That

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Speaker 7: that on that particular game as well. Listen, as long

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Speaker 7: that's what we want and we want that competitive spirit,

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Speaker 7: we want that edge. You can see it coming through

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Speaker 7: social network at the moment with the Super Rugby competition. Boy,

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Speaker 7: But that's what we need.

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Speaker 6: That's what our game needs.

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Speaker 7: It needs it that, you know, a little bit of

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Speaker 2: Good on you guys. Hey, well we'll put a ring

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Speaker 2: around that game. Northland v. Tasman, Saturday, August sixteenth. The

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Speaker 2: Steve Harris, Shan Drumman, thank you so much for your

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Speaker 2: Your ideas now anything you want to pick up on

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Speaker 2: it's a huge cost to the unions to hire venues

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Speaker 2: And Wellington have already made the very wise decision that

433
00:23:42,467 --> 00:23:46,187
Speaker 2: they won't play any rugby at Sky Stadium this NPC season.

434
00:23:46,227 --> 00:23:50,947
Speaker 2: They're taking their games out to Pottydoor Park, where it

435
00:23:51,107 --> 00:23:54,027
Speaker 2: is far more fit for purpose for an MPC game.

436
00:23:54,427 --> 00:23:59,187
Speaker 2: Game times now the broadcaster in this case Sky dictate

437
00:23:59,267 --> 00:24:02,347
Speaker 2: kickoff times as they should, and the majority of Super

438
00:24:02,427 --> 00:24:05,827
Speaker 2: Rugby games will always be played at night. But if

439
00:24:05,867 --> 00:24:09,187
Speaker 2: we're having a revamp in the broadcast of NPC, then

440
00:24:09,187 --> 00:24:11,987
Speaker 2: we should also play games at times which are most

441
00:24:12,027 --> 00:24:15,547
Speaker 2: convenient for fans to turn up. That means as much

442
00:24:15,587 --> 00:24:20,067
Speaker 2: afternoon rugby as possible, and venue choice might well dictate

443
00:24:20,147 --> 00:24:22,587
Speaker 2: that because a lot of the smaller grounds don't have

444
00:24:22,747 --> 00:24:25,187
Speaker 2: lights which are adequate for broadcasting games at night. But

445
00:24:25,267 --> 00:24:27,067
Speaker 2: if you want people to turn up, play games at

446
00:24:27,107 --> 00:24:30,587
Speaker 2: times which are friendly to them. The Auckland FC, example

447
00:24:30,667 --> 00:24:33,427
Speaker 2: this year, was a blueprint right home games at five o'clock.

448
00:24:34,187 --> 00:24:36,187
Speaker 2: It allowed a wide range of fans to come along

449
00:24:36,267 --> 00:24:39,987
Speaker 2: for NPC rugby. Let's have as many afternoon kickoffs as

450
00:24:40,067 --> 00:24:43,187
Speaker 2: we can. And if we just zoom out from the NPC,

451
00:24:44,187 --> 00:24:48,827
Speaker 2: what should the role of provincial unions actually be. High

452
00:24:48,907 --> 00:24:52,107
Speaker 2: performance is important, yes, there has to be a pathway

453
00:24:52,827 --> 00:24:55,467
Speaker 2: to aspire to and as Shane and Steve said, into

454
00:24:55,507 --> 00:24:57,787
Speaker 2: the muck or into the tunny fah and then on

455
00:24:57,987 --> 00:25:01,987
Speaker 2: towards super rugby, but the base of the pyramid is

456
00:25:02,147 --> 00:25:06,307
Speaker 2: surely the more important priority. We talk about the great

457
00:25:06,347 --> 00:25:08,627
Speaker 2: New Zealand rugby production line, and yes that is certainly

458
00:25:09,147 --> 00:25:12,107
Speaker 2: still a thing, but at a time when player numbers

459
00:25:12,107 --> 00:25:15,347
Speaker 2: are dwindling in the men's game in particular, there has

460
00:25:15,427 --> 00:25:20,147
Speaker 2: to be a focus on attracting and retaining young boys

461
00:25:20,227 --> 00:25:23,027
Speaker 2: and girls into the game of rugby. In the first place,

462
00:25:23,227 --> 00:25:26,587
Speaker 2: and that begins at junior level and then retaining those

463
00:25:26,627 --> 00:25:29,147
Speaker 2: players after they finish high school. So the base of

464
00:25:29,187 --> 00:25:31,427
Speaker 2: the pyramid has to be a focus has to be

465
00:25:32,147 --> 00:25:35,307
Speaker 2: for provincial unions as well. It can't just be about

466
00:25:35,787 --> 00:25:39,027
Speaker 2: high performance. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighties and number

467
00:25:39,107 --> 00:25:40,907
Speaker 2: nine two nine to two for your texts. I've got

468
00:25:40,907 --> 00:25:43,947
Speaker 2: a couple of text messages and already and a couple

469
00:25:43,947 --> 00:25:46,107
Speaker 2: of calls on the line, Scotty, Arthur Police, hold with

470
00:25:46,187 --> 00:25:48,027
Speaker 2: you after this, got to get a breakaway. Oh eight

471
00:25:48,147 --> 00:25:51,147
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty. Let's reimagine the NPC.

472
00:25:52,027 --> 00:25:55,387
Speaker 1: It's more than just a game weekends for it. With

473
00:25:55,627 --> 00:25:59,667
Speaker 1: Jason Pine and GJ. Guvnerhomes New Zealand's most trusted home

474
00:25:59,707 --> 00:26:01,107
Speaker 1: builder News Talks, they'd.

475
00:26:00,947 --> 00:26:03,787
Speaker 2: Be twenty five to one Super Rugby after one, but

476
00:26:03,907 --> 00:26:06,867
Speaker 2: talking provincial rugby. This our Scotty, thanks be holding make

477
00:26:06,907 --> 00:26:09,747
Speaker 2: that afternoon a good.

478
00:26:10,587 --> 00:26:13,027
Speaker 12: But the easiest way to sort this out is but

479
00:26:13,427 --> 00:26:15,787
Speaker 12: the provincial unions will never do it because they've got

480
00:26:15,827 --> 00:26:19,507
Speaker 12: egos besides the Trump. It's have them play curtain raisers

481
00:26:19,707 --> 00:26:24,467
Speaker 12: for first fifteen schoolboy rugby because we've all known and

482
00:26:24,587 --> 00:26:28,187
Speaker 12: heard about the Auckland playing at Eden Park and the

483
00:26:28,667 --> 00:26:32,387
Speaker 12: curtain raiser is Sint Kent's versus Sacred Heart or King's

484
00:26:32,467 --> 00:26:35,427
Speaker 12: versus Grammar and there's twelve thousand people in the stands

485
00:26:35,827 --> 00:26:38,187
Speaker 12: and as soon as the first fifteen school rugby finishes

486
00:26:38,467 --> 00:26:41,067
Speaker 12: there's about two thousand. Or if you're over at North

487
00:26:41,067 --> 00:26:43,867
Speaker 12: Harbor last year or the year before, sorry, and there

488
00:26:43,947 --> 00:26:46,787
Speaker 12: was Auckland versus Sacred Heart in the North Harbor one

489
00:26:46,827 --> 00:26:49,187
Speaker 12: A final when there was three and a half thousand

490
00:26:49,307 --> 00:26:52,387
Speaker 12: at Westlake and down the road at Honiwad Domain for

491
00:26:52,507 --> 00:26:56,547
Speaker 12: the Mighty Battle for the Bridge between Tarbor and Auckland

492
00:26:56,987 --> 00:26:59,667
Speaker 12: was five hundred and fifty. So why not have the

493
00:26:59,747 --> 00:27:03,307
Speaker 12: schoolboy And you've got the same in christ Church with

494
00:27:03,547 --> 00:27:07,067
Speaker 12: Christ versus christ Church Boys, you'll have two and a

495
00:27:07,107 --> 00:27:09,787
Speaker 12: half thousand down there. You go along to watch Canterbury

496
00:27:09,827 --> 00:27:11,627
Speaker 12: and they might be seven or eight hundred in the stadium.

497
00:27:12,267 --> 00:27:16,427
Speaker 12: So let's have the Unions playing curtain raisers to the

498
00:27:16,507 --> 00:27:19,987
Speaker 12: first fifteen rugby and recognize where the fans are coming from.

499
00:27:20,667 --> 00:27:22,867
Speaker 2: So flipping it, Scotty, I don't I love it?

500
00:27:23,347 --> 00:27:23,827
Speaker 6: I love it?

501
00:27:23,907 --> 00:27:23,947
Speaker 12: What?

502
00:27:24,307 --> 00:27:26,987
Speaker 2: And and you're right, there's probably ego at play here

503
00:27:27,427 --> 00:27:30,787
Speaker 2: where you know where provincial unions would say, I ain't

504
00:27:30,827 --> 00:27:35,027
Speaker 2: no curtain raiser. I'm a main event. But yeah, as

505
00:27:35,067 --> 00:27:37,507
Speaker 2: I've said a lot, nothing should be off the table.

506
00:27:37,827 --> 00:27:40,027
Speaker 2: Why not give it a crack, as you say, why

507
00:27:40,147 --> 00:27:43,827
Speaker 2: not play a provincial game as a curtain raiser or

508
00:27:43,867 --> 00:27:46,507
Speaker 2: an early game for a big first fifteen match. I

509
00:27:46,547 --> 00:27:47,347
Speaker 2: don't mind it at all.

510
00:27:48,227 --> 00:27:50,947
Speaker 12: That's all about the numbers they stack up. You can't

511
00:27:51,027 --> 00:27:53,387
Speaker 12: argue with the numbers when you've got twelve thousand of

512
00:27:53,547 --> 00:27:56,587
Speaker 12: Eden Park watching any of the big top four plane

513
00:27:56,627 --> 00:27:58,667
Speaker 12: you know, or you're in the top six including Kelston,

514
00:27:58,787 --> 00:28:02,467
Speaker 12: say Grammar and so like Battle of the Bridge two

515
00:28:02,547 --> 00:28:05,427
Speaker 12: years ago, five hundred and fifty went to the game

516
00:28:05,707 --> 00:28:07,467
Speaker 12: and up the an hour and a half or four

517
00:28:08,067 --> 00:28:12,827
Speaker 12: was around three thousand watching the Auckland on a final

518
00:28:12,947 --> 00:28:17,867
Speaker 12: between Sacred and Whistlake. Where that the numbers don't lie,

519
00:28:18,747 --> 00:28:19,107
Speaker 12: what does it?

520
00:28:19,187 --> 00:28:24,307
Speaker 2: Also say Scotty about the high performance pathway, And I

521
00:28:24,387 --> 00:28:29,467
Speaker 2: guess the relevance now of NPC Rugby in that performance

522
00:28:29,547 --> 00:28:31,707
Speaker 2: pathway because I've had a bunch of techs already today

523
00:28:31,787 --> 00:28:35,227
Speaker 2: saying actually the performance pathway now skips will certainly skips

524
00:28:35,267 --> 00:28:37,507
Speaker 2: club rugby and is almost at the point now where

525
00:28:37,547 --> 00:28:41,147
Speaker 2: it's skips provincial rugby as well. Is that your experience,

526
00:28:41,227 --> 00:28:44,307
Speaker 2: You're seeing guys go straight from school into super rugby

527
00:28:44,387 --> 00:28:46,307
Speaker 2: academy types type setups.

528
00:28:47,267 --> 00:28:49,547
Speaker 12: You're good players from all of the high schools will

529
00:28:49,587 --> 00:28:53,747
Speaker 12: be going through to the super franchisers in the development squads,

530
00:28:53,787 --> 00:28:56,827
Speaker 12: the under nine teams, they are under twenties, the development squads.

531
00:28:57,027 --> 00:28:59,667
Speaker 12: So they're not playing a lot of club rugby. Well

532
00:28:59,907 --> 00:29:04,307
Speaker 12: they're playing some club rugby, but they're more signed up

533
00:29:04,347 --> 00:29:07,907
Speaker 12: for the super franchises. Where does your club rugby player

534
00:29:07,947 --> 00:29:09,587
Speaker 12: come from high school?

535
00:29:10,187 --> 00:29:10,387
Speaker 5: Yeah?

536
00:29:10,787 --> 00:29:12,467
Speaker 2: Yeah, good on you, Scotty. Hey, well if we if

537
00:29:12,507 --> 00:29:15,067
Speaker 2: we can, if it ever happens, mate, if it ever

538
00:29:15,147 --> 00:29:17,347
Speaker 2: happens that a that an MPC game has played as

539
00:29:17,347 --> 00:29:20,667
Speaker 2: a curtain raiser to a first fifteen game, I'll come

540
00:29:20,707 --> 00:29:23,147
Speaker 2: to wherever it is and you know, probably we're in

541
00:29:23,267 --> 00:29:25,307
Speaker 2: your patch and we can watch it together made and

542
00:29:25,347 --> 00:29:27,747
Speaker 2: say it was your idea. Good on, you appreciate it. O.

543
00:29:27,787 --> 00:29:31,587
Speaker 2: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number, Arthur, Hello, Hi, Jason.

544
00:29:33,987 --> 00:29:38,827
Speaker 13: Neil Barnes is very keen of this idea. Is not

545
00:29:38,987 --> 00:29:42,387
Speaker 13: played a midweek game because he claims it's very hard

546
00:29:42,427 --> 00:29:45,427
Speaker 13: on the players because you haven't a game during the week,

547
00:29:45,507 --> 00:29:48,147
Speaker 13: doesn't give time for players to recover. If ire injured

548
00:29:48,187 --> 00:29:50,507
Speaker 13: on Saturday, and then they've got to turn around and

549
00:29:50,587 --> 00:29:54,187
Speaker 13: play on one Wednesday and then yeah, he doesn't want

550
00:29:54,307 --> 00:29:58,107
Speaker 13: this rugby paid in midweek. The only thing I know

551
00:29:58,147 --> 00:30:01,227
Speaker 13: it takes longer to play that start the NPC a

552
00:30:01,347 --> 00:30:05,267
Speaker 13: week early early, like starting a second second of August

553
00:30:05,347 --> 00:30:07,427
Speaker 13: this year. I think safe you had it a week

554
00:30:07,547 --> 00:30:10,707
Speaker 13: early and not have that MIDWEK game, because that's what

555
00:30:10,867 --> 00:30:13,587
Speaker 13: Neil Barnes reckons. It's too hard on the players playing

556
00:30:13,627 --> 00:30:14,387
Speaker 13: a midweek game.

557
00:30:14,947 --> 00:30:16,627
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they have got rid of them. Martha.

558
00:30:16,907 --> 00:30:18,947
Speaker 2: I'm just having a look at the drawer here, and yeah,

559
00:30:18,987 --> 00:30:21,747
Speaker 2: they used to call it storm round, didn't they. I

560
00:30:21,827 --> 00:30:23,467
Speaker 2: don't know what. I don't know what that means, but

561
00:30:23,547 --> 00:30:26,307
Speaker 2: what it meant in practice was a team played on

562
00:30:26,347 --> 00:30:28,787
Speaker 2: a Wednesday then on a Sunday. Just looking at the drawer,

563
00:30:28,827 --> 00:30:31,067
Speaker 2: they've taken out those Wednesday games this year. So obviously

564
00:30:31,147 --> 00:30:34,067
Speaker 2: Neil Barnes has got got some influence and I totally

565
00:30:34,107 --> 00:30:37,067
Speaker 2: agree with them. As you say, so there's there's seven

566
00:30:37,147 --> 00:30:40,507
Speaker 2: games starting on a Thursday night, so Thursday night, Friday night,

567
00:30:40,587 --> 00:30:43,587
Speaker 2: three games on Saturday too, on Sunday, and they still

568
00:30:43,947 --> 00:30:46,907
Speaker 2: they still avoid any any clashes for the most part.

569
00:30:47,307 --> 00:30:50,147
Speaker 2: They can all be played at different times, which suits

570
00:30:50,187 --> 00:30:53,467
Speaker 2: the broadcaster. But yeah, I think midweek games. The other

571
00:30:53,547 --> 00:30:55,587
Speaker 2: thing too, are there, as you know, is a bunch

572
00:30:55,627 --> 00:30:58,187
Speaker 2: of these MPC guys also have jobs, you know, not

573
00:30:58,307 --> 00:30:59,827
Speaker 2: maybe not a full time, but they might have to

574
00:30:59,867 --> 00:31:01,707
Speaker 2: work on a Tuesday or a Wednesday or Thursday.

575
00:31:01,787 --> 00:31:04,667
Speaker 13: So you know, yeah, yeah, I didn't know. I didn't

576
00:31:04,667 --> 00:31:05,947
Speaker 13: know the change was this season.

577
00:31:06,427 --> 00:31:06,627
Speaker 14: Yeah.

578
00:31:07,547 --> 00:31:07,747
Speaker 5: Yeah.

579
00:31:07,907 --> 00:31:10,147
Speaker 2: So so he's got his way, he's got his wish

580
00:31:10,187 --> 00:31:15,147
Speaker 2: has Neil Barnes. Thanks Arthur Shangsy good? I mate, Hey,

581
00:31:15,347 --> 00:31:16,307
Speaker 2: hell are you good?

582
00:31:16,427 --> 00:31:16,587
Speaker 14: Good?

583
00:31:16,627 --> 00:31:18,507
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on on in PC?

584
00:31:20,267 --> 00:31:20,387
Speaker 15: Oh?

585
00:31:20,507 --> 00:31:23,347
Speaker 9: Mate, look, I guess it's just I'll have to you know,

586
00:31:23,387 --> 00:31:26,267
Speaker 9: another sign. I'll have to abandon my romantic notion of

587
00:31:26,347 --> 00:31:29,307
Speaker 9: it ever coming back to the you know, to be

588
00:31:29,387 --> 00:31:31,467
Speaker 9: in the pinnacle, to step before the all blacks, because

589
00:31:31,507 --> 00:31:36,227
Speaker 9: I think I think, you know, fundamentally, you know, rugby's

590
00:31:36,267 --> 00:31:40,947
Speaker 9: sort of lost its tribalism at the elite level. Super

591
00:31:41,027 --> 00:31:42,787
Speaker 9: rugby doesn't do that. And I guess this is just

592
00:31:42,867 --> 00:31:46,027
Speaker 9: another you know, acknowledgment that it's not going to go

593
00:31:46,147 --> 00:31:50,507
Speaker 9: down that that route, but so be it. And because yeah,

594
00:31:50,587 --> 00:31:54,467
Speaker 9: I guess this doesn't I feel so the I think,

595
00:31:54,507 --> 00:31:56,867
Speaker 9: you know, for what MPC is at the moment and

596
00:31:56,947 --> 00:31:59,707
Speaker 9: all that you know, completely makes sense and if that's

597
00:31:59,747 --> 00:32:02,947
Speaker 9: where they're going, but it's still fundamentally doesn't really address

598
00:32:03,067 --> 00:32:05,787
Speaker 9: the issue that you know, rugby just has this massive

599
00:32:05,827 --> 00:32:08,747
Speaker 9: divide between you know, people at the grass roots, whether

600
00:32:08,787 --> 00:32:14,187
Speaker 9: they're volunteers or club players and actual you know, just

601
00:32:14,307 --> 00:32:17,907
Speaker 9: your general fans that go and watch you know, professional

602
00:32:17,987 --> 00:32:19,947
Speaker 9: rugby at the ground and support it there, and you

603
00:32:20,427 --> 00:32:22,227
Speaker 9: if you're on the club scenor know that there are

604
00:32:22,267 --> 00:32:25,227
Speaker 9: just so many people you know, are just so focused

605
00:32:25,267 --> 00:32:27,307
Speaker 9: on that area and you know, the people who are

606
00:32:27,347 --> 00:32:30,147
Speaker 9: rusted on and just love that. And then won't you know,

607
00:32:30,667 --> 00:32:33,187
Speaker 9: go and show up to the you know, to any

608
00:32:33,267 --> 00:32:36,907
Speaker 9: form of professional rugby and and that's the thing that

609
00:32:37,067 --> 00:32:39,507
Speaker 9: needs to be addressed. So I suppose that that goes

610
00:32:39,587 --> 00:32:43,147
Speaker 9: some way to addressing that. And then probably just the

611
00:32:43,307 --> 00:32:45,507
Speaker 9: last point was the one you touched on before about

612
00:32:45,587 --> 00:32:48,467
Speaker 9: the you know, the focus on building the base and

613
00:32:48,547 --> 00:32:51,587
Speaker 9: the pyramid and you know, everyone you know, all the

614
00:32:51,667 --> 00:32:54,787
Speaker 9: players there at that that you know that that have

615
00:32:54,907 --> 00:32:57,667
Speaker 9: no aspirations to you know, kids and everyone to drop

616
00:32:57,707 --> 00:32:58,387
Speaker 9: off from high school.

617
00:32:58,387 --> 00:32:58,667
Speaker 6: They have no.

618
00:32:58,707 --> 00:33:01,827
Speaker 9: Aspirations to go and be professional and never will. And

619
00:33:01,907 --> 00:33:04,627
Speaker 9: I feel that's the that is one hundred percent of

620
00:33:04,667 --> 00:33:06,587
Speaker 9: the area that needs to be focused on and really

621
00:33:06,667 --> 00:33:10,947
Speaker 9: needs to be rethought because you know, and a lot

622
00:33:10,987 --> 00:33:13,267
Speaker 9: of the thinking there is really wrong about everyone saying,

623
00:33:13,267 --> 00:33:15,507
Speaker 9: you know, we're focusing on you know, the average player,

624
00:33:15,947 --> 00:33:19,347
Speaker 9: but everything is still so focused on you know, skills

625
00:33:19,427 --> 00:33:22,307
Speaker 9: sessions and doing stuff like that, when really unions just

626
00:33:22,467 --> 00:33:25,067
Speaker 9: need to be out there and providing a venue for

627
00:33:25,107 --> 00:33:28,507
Speaker 9: people to go and you know, any avenue for people

628
00:33:28,547 --> 00:33:31,347
Speaker 9: to go in place some form of rugby without it

629
00:33:31,507 --> 00:33:35,587
Speaker 9: being organized and regimented. You know, that's where games like

630
00:33:35,667 --> 00:33:37,627
Speaker 9: soccer and basketball hall of it over us where it's

631
00:33:37,627 --> 00:33:39,667
Speaker 9: so easy to pick up a ball and kick it

632
00:33:39,667 --> 00:33:42,067
Speaker 9: around or throw it into a hoop, that's anywhere. That's

633
00:33:42,107 --> 00:33:44,307
Speaker 9: where they really need to be fundamentally looking at the game.

634
00:33:44,347 --> 00:33:46,667
Speaker 9: But rugby league has had a huge explosion in Australia

635
00:33:46,787 --> 00:33:49,667
Speaker 9: just from you know, registering players as touch rugby or

636
00:33:49,747 --> 00:33:52,747
Speaker 9: tag players and just going along and letting people play, if.

637
00:33:52,627 --> 00:33:55,027
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Shanks, You're just on your

638
00:33:55,067 --> 00:33:57,947
Speaker 2: first point there about the divide. So are you saying

639
00:33:57,987 --> 00:34:02,347
Speaker 2: that there are people in clubland who won't go and

640
00:34:02,467 --> 00:34:07,627
Speaker 2: watch in PC Super Rugby all blacks because well, they

641
00:34:07,707 --> 00:34:11,427
Speaker 2: feel they feel in some way disinvested of that's a

642
00:34:11,467 --> 00:34:13,107
Speaker 2: word from the professional game.

643
00:34:14,427 --> 00:34:16,667
Speaker 9: Undercent. But this is I'm just going off the people

644
00:34:16,707 --> 00:34:17,827
Speaker 9: I hear from around Wellington.

645
00:34:17,907 --> 00:34:18,547
Speaker 16: You'll hear a lot of.

646
00:34:18,547 --> 00:34:20,867
Speaker 9: People say that you're going to the Hurricanes and now

647
00:34:20,947 --> 00:34:23,827
Speaker 9: bay Nona Na, No, I don't watch that.

648
00:34:24,587 --> 00:34:24,747
Speaker 14: You know.

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Speaker 9: For example, in my friends group I've got I've got

650
00:34:26,947 --> 00:34:30,427
Speaker 9: a group of mates that are you know that all

651
00:34:30,547 --> 00:34:33,907
Speaker 9: have other group of mates that have season tickets for

652
00:34:34,067 --> 00:34:36,627
Speaker 9: Hurricanes that have the years. None of them have ever

653
00:34:36,707 --> 00:34:41,667
Speaker 9: played rugby before the soccer players and just sort of

654
00:34:41,707 --> 00:34:44,427
Speaker 9: just casual fans. They've had their ticket, they love going

655
00:34:44,467 --> 00:34:48,307
Speaker 9: along and doing all of that. Seriously, that all the

656
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Speaker 9: people down at Club Rugby, my friends who are involved

657
00:34:51,547 --> 00:34:55,307
Speaker 9: at you know, you know, whether they're just on the committee,

658
00:34:55,667 --> 00:34:59,707
Speaker 9: coaches and managers of those club teams, that the vast

659
00:34:59,787 --> 00:35:01,907
Speaker 9: majority of them will not go to any form of

660
00:35:02,827 --> 00:35:06,107
Speaker 9: professional games, and whether it's you know how to spice.

661
00:35:06,387 --> 00:35:08,147
Speaker 9: He's probably a bit of that, or whether it's just

662
00:35:08,267 --> 00:35:11,027
Speaker 9: out you know, that's where they're focuses a lot of

663
00:35:11,067 --> 00:35:13,267
Speaker 9: the time, you know, getting to the game after your

664
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Speaker 9: club game, or we're going on a Friday night when

665
00:35:15,867 --> 00:35:20,027
Speaker 9: you're already got there is just unattainable. And look again,

666
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Speaker 9: I don't know if anyone has similar experiences around the country.

667
00:35:22,707 --> 00:35:24,147
Speaker 9: I'm purely going off what I see.

668
00:35:24,027 --> 00:35:27,947
Speaker 2: In random but yeah, fascinating. Hey, Shanksy, good to talk

669
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Speaker 2: to you, mate, Thanks for calling in that. That is

670
00:35:30,467 --> 00:35:33,707
Speaker 2: so interesting to me. I'd be keen to enough. That

671
00:35:34,027 --> 00:35:37,147
Speaker 2: is the case in other places. Are there people who

672
00:35:37,267 --> 00:35:40,947
Speaker 2: are for whatever reason and there are a few reasons,

673
00:35:40,987 --> 00:35:42,627
Speaker 2: maybe a Shanksy said, some of us out of spite

674
00:35:43,147 --> 00:35:45,627
Speaker 2: not bother with that, or maybe this cost or whatever.

675
00:35:45,707 --> 00:35:48,667
Speaker 2: All you are just so invested in your club. I

676
00:35:48,987 --> 00:35:53,467
Speaker 2: hadn't become really aware of that divide. So interesting, Shanksy,

677
00:35:53,507 --> 00:35:55,787
Speaker 2: Thanks for calling, mate. Twelve forty five. Peter hold there

678
00:35:55,787 --> 00:35:56,307
Speaker 2: with you after this.

679
00:35:57,187 --> 00:36:00,907
Speaker 1: The Tough Questions Off the Turf Weekends Sport with Jason

680
00:36:00,987 --> 00:36:05,827
Speaker 1: Hine and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most Trusted home Builders.

681
00:36:06,907 --> 00:36:09,987
Speaker 2: Twelve to one from Scotti Shanksy spot on I'm a

682
00:36:10,027 --> 00:36:12,387
Speaker 2: life member of my rugby club. I love watching Club Rugby,

683
00:36:12,427 --> 00:36:15,947
Speaker 2: but haven't been to a super or NPC games game

684
00:36:16,067 --> 00:36:19,467
Speaker 2: for decades. Interesting, Peter, Hi, thanks for holding and thanks

685
00:36:19,507 --> 00:36:19,827
Speaker 2: for calling.

686
00:36:21,267 --> 00:36:22,227
Speaker 17: Yeah, how are you doing there?

687
00:36:23,587 --> 00:36:24,387
Speaker 2: Very good? Thank you, Peter.

688
00:36:25,627 --> 00:36:29,667
Speaker 17: Hey, look, before talking about the crowd sizes of first

689
00:36:29,707 --> 00:36:32,787
Speaker 17: fifteen games compared to win PC games, well, I'd say

690
00:36:32,827 --> 00:36:35,107
Speaker 17: that's a very good reason why first fifteen games are

691
00:36:35,347 --> 00:36:39,627
Speaker 17: better equipped with spectators as opposed to win PC. That's

692
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Speaker 17: the think that most first fifteen games aren't televised.

693
00:36:44,227 --> 00:36:46,067
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the point. I thought you were going

694
00:36:46,147 --> 00:36:48,227
Speaker 2: to say it's because they're free as well, which is

695
00:36:48,227 --> 00:36:48,907
Speaker 2: another factor.

696
00:36:49,067 --> 00:36:51,027
Speaker 17: Well, yeah, it would be there.

697
00:36:51,147 --> 00:36:54,227
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I think also it feels to me, Peter,

698
00:36:54,347 --> 00:36:56,627
Speaker 2: and you might have some thoughts on this, that the

699
00:36:56,747 --> 00:37:00,707
Speaker 2: atmosphere of these first fifteen games, the big rivalries, is

700
00:37:01,427 --> 00:37:01,987
Speaker 2: kind of cool.

701
00:37:03,587 --> 00:37:08,107
Speaker 17: Oh, it's it's extremely tribal and you really rests to

702
00:37:08,187 --> 00:37:13,627
Speaker 17: think for that. And I don't know how we replicate

703
00:37:13,747 --> 00:37:20,507
Speaker 17: that an NPC situation at the NPC level, but you know,

704
00:37:20,707 --> 00:37:26,107
Speaker 17: to get our opinion with various clubs, Coalssing and saying

705
00:37:26,507 --> 00:37:30,067
Speaker 17: you know, these people are representing us, you know, come

706
00:37:30,147 --> 00:37:33,467
Speaker 17: and give them your support. I don't know how we

707
00:37:33,707 --> 00:37:38,227
Speaker 17: translate that sort of you know, that sort of thoughts

708
00:37:38,267 --> 00:37:38,747
Speaker 17: into action.

709
00:37:40,147 --> 00:37:42,507
Speaker 2: The word you use Peters so as so bang on

710
00:37:42,707 --> 00:37:46,307
Speaker 2: tribal tribalism, you know, and it used to be it

711
00:37:46,507 --> 00:37:49,507
Speaker 2: used to be so prevalent in the old days of

712
00:37:49,587 --> 00:37:53,507
Speaker 2: the NPC, pre Super Rugby. You know, those tribalisms, even

713
00:37:53,827 --> 00:37:56,587
Speaker 2: even Auckland Canterbury. You know, we saw the Blues and

714
00:37:56,627 --> 00:37:59,587
Speaker 2: the Crusaders when it was that Friday Night and I

715
00:37:59,627 --> 00:38:02,027
Speaker 2: guess that was a bit of a throwback. But the

716
00:38:02,547 --> 00:38:05,907
Speaker 2: rivalries that exist and the tribalism that is very real

717
00:38:05,947 --> 00:38:10,307
Speaker 2: in school rugby now is is a It's a it's

718
00:38:10,387 --> 00:38:14,147
Speaker 2: not necessarily a golden ticket, but it's certainly a big

719
00:38:14,227 --> 00:38:16,387
Speaker 2: part of why people turn up to watch sport of

720
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Speaker 2: any kind.

721
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Speaker 17: I reckon, Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean you look at,

722
00:38:20,667 --> 00:38:25,547
Speaker 17: for example, the English Premier League in the absolute madness

723
00:38:25,627 --> 00:38:27,547
Speaker 17: of the fan base there. You know that, you know,

724
00:38:28,467 --> 00:38:31,467
Speaker 17: Manchester United would be Manchester City. There's a perfect example.

725
00:38:31,587 --> 00:38:34,627
Speaker 17: Each side think the other side is absolute stuff. They've

726
00:38:34,707 --> 00:38:41,427
Speaker 17: probably taken it a bit too far, and I'd like

727
00:38:41,507 --> 00:38:45,427
Speaker 17: to see something similar to that sort of feeling. I mean,

728
00:38:45,907 --> 00:38:50,907
Speaker 17: the best night I ever had and watching a rugby

729
00:38:50,987 --> 00:38:55,547
Speaker 17: game was the second Test between the Orles and the

730
00:38:55,627 --> 00:39:00,107
Speaker 17: Lions in two thousand and five and Wellington. That stadium

731
00:39:00,467 --> 00:39:03,987
Speaker 17: was pumping. But what I love is in the stadium

732
00:39:04,187 --> 00:39:06,787
Speaker 17: everybody's shouting each other. In these chances you think God

733
00:39:06,827 --> 00:39:09,027
Speaker 17: does well and you had that sort of atmosphere, but

734
00:39:09,187 --> 00:39:12,427
Speaker 17: afterwards everybody's out drinking, having a good time, best of mates.

735
00:39:14,067 --> 00:39:16,547
Speaker 17: English soccer doesn't have that best to mate side situation

736
00:39:17,267 --> 00:39:21,027
Speaker 17: and I'd hate to see Rugby lose that. But we

737
00:39:21,267 --> 00:39:24,987
Speaker 17: kind of need to get some sort of feeling down

738
00:39:25,067 --> 00:39:25,827
Speaker 17: that road, if you know.

739
00:39:25,827 --> 00:39:26,147
Speaker 6: What I mean.

740
00:39:26,667 --> 00:39:29,187
Speaker 2: I do obviously that night as well, Peter and Bang

741
00:39:29,307 --> 00:39:31,907
Speaker 2: on the tribalism part of it. You know the Lions fans,

742
00:39:31,947 --> 00:39:33,627
Speaker 2: how many of them were there. It was incredible, But

743
00:39:33,667 --> 00:39:36,347
Speaker 2: you're right, you know, your your chair for your team,

744
00:39:37,467 --> 00:39:39,587
Speaker 2: but then you have a beer afterwards. Yeah, that's the

745
00:39:39,667 --> 00:39:41,747
Speaker 2: bit that English football hasn't quite got right. Good to

746
00:39:41,827 --> 00:39:43,787
Speaker 2: chat to you, mate, Karen. Last word from you mate?

747
00:39:43,787 --> 00:39:44,387
Speaker 2: What's on your mind?

748
00:39:46,107 --> 00:39:46,227
Speaker 8: Hey?

749
00:39:46,347 --> 00:39:49,267
Speaker 18: Yeah, it's just about the tribalism thing. Like I still

750
00:39:49,307 --> 00:39:51,387
Speaker 18: think there's a little bit in the MPC. I mean,

751
00:39:52,307 --> 00:39:54,707
Speaker 18: so probably the last ten years I've been pushed further

752
00:39:54,747 --> 00:39:57,587
Speaker 18: and further away from rugby, especially Super rugby, Like I

753
00:39:57,627 --> 00:39:59,907
Speaker 18: wouldn't even watch a game now, but I'll still do

754
00:40:00,107 --> 00:40:03,467
Speaker 18: my best to watch every single All Blacks game as possible,

755
00:40:04,427 --> 00:40:08,427
Speaker 18: and definitely watch coming far game that's a non negotiable,

756
00:40:08,547 --> 00:40:10,987
Speaker 18: still always supporting the tunny part, so I'll still watch that.

757
00:40:11,667 --> 00:40:13,587
Speaker 18: But I think a lot of it filters down from

758
00:40:13,627 --> 00:40:17,387
Speaker 18: the products. I mean, I think it was Steve Hanson

759
00:40:17,427 --> 00:40:20,387
Speaker 18: that said a few years ago that the NRL is

760
00:40:20,627 --> 00:40:22,507
Speaker 18: just a better product to watch, and a lot of

761
00:40:22,547 --> 00:40:25,987
Speaker 18: that isn't just the tribalism between you know, the teams

762
00:40:26,027 --> 00:40:30,147
Speaker 18: that they have, including the Warriors for example, but it's

763
00:40:30,187 --> 00:40:33,147
Speaker 18: also got a lot to do with the actual finished products.

764
00:40:33,707 --> 00:40:36,827
Speaker 18: It's entertaining to watch. I feel like rugby's just gone

765
00:40:36,867 --> 00:40:41,067
Speaker 18: down this very dark and path, especially Super Rugby, to

766
00:40:41,187 --> 00:40:43,547
Speaker 18: where it's very hard to get new people into it

767
00:40:43,587 --> 00:40:45,747
Speaker 18: because it's so stop start for example.

768
00:40:46,427 --> 00:40:50,107
Speaker 2: Yeah, good point, Karen, And look, the the NRL a

769
00:40:50,187 --> 00:40:52,507
Speaker 2: terrific competition. Competitive if you don't know from week to

770
00:40:52,507 --> 00:40:54,547
Speaker 2: week who's going to win, and you're right high quality

771
00:40:54,627 --> 00:40:57,227
Speaker 2: action and I guess NPC is won down from Super

772
00:40:57,267 --> 00:41:00,267
Speaker 2: Rugby in terms of the of the product. But I

773
00:41:00,347 --> 00:41:02,467
Speaker 2: get where you're driving at and up the mighty tunny far.

774
00:41:02,547 --> 00:41:04,587
Speaker 2: Hope you have a great season, mate, Good to chat

775
00:41:04,627 --> 00:41:07,547
Speaker 2: to you. Seven to one News Talk to one Pinty.

776
00:41:07,667 --> 00:41:10,227
Speaker 2: In terms of what shanks you just said, I don't

777
00:41:10,307 --> 00:41:13,547
Speaker 2: understand that that is happening in a widespread way. We

778
00:41:13,707 --> 00:41:17,827
Speaker 2: have and witnessing a fantastic Super Rugby competition. Looking forward

779
00:41:17,827 --> 00:41:20,267
Speaker 2: to some great NPC rugby. It's up to the supporters

780
00:41:20,307 --> 00:41:23,867
Speaker 2: to go out there and support where they can. And

781
00:41:23,907 --> 00:41:25,147
Speaker 2: there's a bit more there which I won't be able

782
00:41:25,187 --> 00:41:26,747
Speaker 2: to get to. Thank you so much for your for

783
00:41:26,867 --> 00:41:30,067
Speaker 2: your text Thank you for all your texts and your feedback.

784
00:41:30,307 --> 00:41:34,027
Speaker 2: We move from provincial rugby to Super Rugby after one

785
00:41:34,067 --> 00:41:36,267
Speaker 2: o'clock Daniel Rohner out of the Chiefs and are they

786
00:41:36,307 --> 00:41:36,987
Speaker 2: favorites to win?

787
00:41:37,067 --> 00:41:37,107
Speaker 4: It?

788
00:41:38,907 --> 00:41:41,707
Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

789
00:41:42,187 --> 00:41:46,067
Speaker 1: and after fields, It's all on Weegen Sport with Jason

790
00:41:46,187 --> 00:41:50,227
Speaker 1: Vaine on your home of Sport US Talk.

791
00:41:51,827 --> 00:41:54,067
Speaker 2: Welcome into Weekend Sport one O seven. I'm Jason Pine

792
00:41:54,147 --> 00:42:00,467
Speaker 2: and Andy McDonald alongside talking sport until three. James mcconi

793
00:42:00,547 --> 00:42:03,267
Speaker 2: this out and as regular Sunday Slot with his irreverent

794
00:42:03,347 --> 00:42:05,507
Speaker 2: look at all things to do with sports. Super Rugby

795
00:42:05,587 --> 00:42:07,707
Speaker 2: is our focus? Your RNA standing by to chat to

796
00:42:07,827 --> 00:42:11,187
Speaker 2: us out of the Chiefs camp. They have secured passage

797
00:42:11,227 --> 00:42:14,507
Speaker 2: to a third consecutive Super Rugby final. Can they finally

798
00:42:14,547 --> 00:42:15,907
Speaker 2: win this one third time?

799
00:42:16,027 --> 00:42:16,307
Speaker 19: Lucky?

800
00:42:17,467 --> 00:42:22,707
Speaker 2: Can they send Clayton mcmillanoff to Munster a winner? Daniel

801
00:42:22,787 --> 00:42:25,707
Speaker 2: Rohona shortly your thoughts as well? Who are favorites? Shane

802
00:42:25,747 --> 00:42:27,707
Speaker 2: Drummond mentioned last hour when we were chatting in PC

803
00:42:27,867 --> 00:42:30,307
Speaker 2: Rugby that the tab framed it up at a dollar

804
00:42:30,387 --> 00:42:34,587
Speaker 2: ninety each. They don't know coin flip, coin flip. I

805
00:42:34,707 --> 00:42:37,467
Speaker 2: know who I think our favorite. I know who I

806
00:42:37,507 --> 00:42:39,547
Speaker 2: think is going to win the game. You'll know who

807
00:42:39,587 --> 00:42:41,827
Speaker 2: you think is going to win the game. We probably

808
00:42:41,907 --> 00:42:44,467
Speaker 2: won't agree. I doubt you'll get any sort of agreement.

809
00:42:44,507 --> 00:42:46,107
Speaker 2: If for us a dollar ninety each, it's likely to

810
00:42:46,147 --> 00:42:48,307
Speaker 2: be fifty fifty, isn't. Let's kick it around before we

811
00:42:48,347 --> 00:42:50,347
Speaker 2: get to Daniel Roho. Just a few text to mop

812
00:42:50,427 --> 00:42:52,747
Speaker 2: up from last hour when we were talking in PC.

813
00:42:52,987 --> 00:42:55,707
Speaker 2: Chris says Pinney We do a local podcast in Nelson

814
00:42:55,787 --> 00:42:59,627
Speaker 2: covering local rugby. We do picks on Super Rugby and

815
00:42:59,827 --> 00:43:02,587
Speaker 2: had more than one senior club player saying they don't

816
00:43:02,627 --> 00:43:07,347
Speaker 2: watch Super Rugby. NPC in New Zealand and Australia should

817
00:43:07,347 --> 00:43:10,627
Speaker 2: be second tier with maybe Trans Tasman Top four finals.

818
00:43:10,627 --> 00:43:14,307
Speaker 2: Imagine Jordan Havili, Blackadder and the rest and the Tasman side.

819
00:43:14,307 --> 00:43:18,587
Speaker 2: Trafalgo Park would be packed. Thanks Chris, appreciate your text.

820
00:43:21,707 --> 00:43:26,787
Speaker 2: Another one here, Accessibility, Accessibility, Accessibility, says Jason. That has

821
00:43:26,907 --> 00:43:29,107
Speaker 2: to be the priority for the NPC. While it's on

822
00:43:29,147 --> 00:43:33,347
Speaker 2: a much larger scale. Premier League football comps in the

823
00:43:33,467 --> 00:43:36,707
Speaker 2: UK are essentially built around the three o'clock Saturday kickoff,

824
00:43:37,187 --> 00:43:38,947
Speaker 2: with the odd game each week played at a different

825
00:43:38,987 --> 00:43:41,947
Speaker 2: time for TV. That's what New Zealand Rugby should concentrate

826
00:43:42,027 --> 00:43:48,507
Speaker 2: on making the NPC accessible. Thank you, Jason. NPC and

827
00:43:48,587 --> 00:43:51,627
Speaker 2: Club Rugby says this one represent the height of the

828
00:43:51,747 --> 00:43:55,507
Speaker 2: amateur ideals which drove New Zealand rugby to great success

829
00:43:55,547 --> 00:43:58,787
Speaker 2: for one hundred years. Those amateur days died in nineteen

830
00:43:58,867 --> 00:44:01,227
Speaker 2: ninety six and Club Rugby and NPC went with them.

831
00:44:02,027 --> 00:44:04,267
Speaker 2: Wake up New Zealand and realize we need a major

832
00:44:04,347 --> 00:44:09,027
Speaker 2: shift towards a purely profittional system from school to pro clubs,

833
00:44:09,067 --> 00:44:11,947
Speaker 2: and then the all Blacks stop pining over a game

834
00:44:12,027 --> 00:44:14,387
Speaker 2: we all remembered was so great in the eighties and

835
00:44:14,507 --> 00:44:17,467
Speaker 2: nineties but has long since died. I do not agree

836
00:44:17,507 --> 00:44:20,627
Speaker 2: with that text at all. I don't think we need

837
00:44:20,987 --> 00:44:24,147
Speaker 2: a system where the only people who play rugby are

838
00:44:24,627 --> 00:44:29,467
Speaker 2: those at the very top. Talk about a professional system

839
00:44:29,507 --> 00:44:32,347
Speaker 2: which goes from school straight to Super Rugby, cutting out

840
00:44:32,387 --> 00:44:36,027
Speaker 2: club and MPC. What about people who just want to

841
00:44:36,067 --> 00:44:39,547
Speaker 2: play rugby, just want to play sport. Are we really

842
00:44:39,627 --> 00:44:43,987
Speaker 2: going to the American system where participation in sport is

843
00:44:44,027 --> 00:44:47,867
Speaker 2: pretty much non existent unless you are an elite player.

844
00:44:49,187 --> 00:44:54,187
Speaker 2: Wouldn't like to see that at all. Local Magpie fan

845
00:44:54,267 --> 00:44:56,147
Speaker 2: here from the bas there's this one. Love attending the

846
00:44:56,187 --> 00:44:58,667
Speaker 2: afternoon games at McLain Park. Great for getting the kids along,

847
00:44:58,747 --> 00:45:01,227
Speaker 2: tons of activities, always a great day out and a

848
00:45:01,267 --> 00:45:06,787
Speaker 2: reasonable crowd most times. Absolutely yes for afternoon MENPC, big fan.

849
00:45:07,867 --> 00:45:10,707
Speaker 2: Thank you for that one. The NRL's tribal says Jeff,

850
00:45:10,707 --> 00:45:13,147
Speaker 2: That's why it's so successful. Yeah, the tribalism is a

851
00:45:13,267 --> 00:45:15,987
Speaker 2: huge part of it, right, And Super rugby. What's been

852
00:45:16,067 --> 00:45:18,547
Speaker 2: around now for well coming up thirty years, and that

853
00:45:18,667 --> 00:45:22,907
Speaker 2: tribalism just I guess has has kind of been created.

854
00:45:22,987 --> 00:45:26,507
Speaker 2: You look at Crusaders b Blues for example, Crusaders Highlanders.

855
00:45:27,587 --> 00:45:29,467
Speaker 2: You know, is there a Hurricanes Chiefs. I don't know,

856
00:45:29,547 --> 00:45:32,107
Speaker 2: Hurricanes Blues. I don't know, certainly not to the same

857
00:45:32,187 --> 00:45:34,507
Speaker 2: degree that we used to have with MPC. But that

858
00:45:34,667 --> 00:45:38,147
Speaker 2: was built over many, many years, wasn't it. And final

859
00:45:38,187 --> 00:45:40,187
Speaker 2: text here are piney. I have an idea for rugby

860
00:45:40,267 --> 00:45:44,187
Speaker 2: points for tries. Any tries that are back gets are

861
00:45:44,227 --> 00:45:47,667
Speaker 2: worth six points, and if a Ford scores a try,

862
00:45:48,067 --> 00:45:50,747
Speaker 2: it's worth four points. There's too much pick and go

863
00:45:51,507 --> 00:45:54,547
Speaker 2: when teams are ten meters out. It creates an incentive

864
00:45:54,587 --> 00:45:57,307
Speaker 2: to me more creative, which is what we need. Mentioning that,

865
00:45:57,467 --> 00:45:59,787
Speaker 2: imagine if you sent to forwards, Hey, you never tried,

866
00:45:59,867 --> 00:46:03,627
Speaker 2: but only worth four points backs you flash, Harris, yours

867
00:46:03,667 --> 00:46:04,627
Speaker 2: can be worth six.

868
00:46:05,947 --> 00:46:06,107
Speaker 12: Look.

869
00:46:06,187 --> 00:46:08,267
Speaker 2: I get the intents in terms of pick and go,

870
00:46:08,507 --> 00:46:11,547
Speaker 2: but I have to say, and I know I got,

871
00:46:11,667 --> 00:46:13,667
Speaker 2: you know, a bit of disagreement on this. Yesterday that

872
00:46:14,267 --> 00:46:17,747
Speaker 2: watching the Blues batter away at the line two weeks

873
00:46:17,787 --> 00:46:21,787
Speaker 2: in succession successfully against the Chiefs up in Hamilton last

874
00:46:21,827 --> 00:46:25,667
Speaker 2: weekend and unsuccessfully against the Crusaders and Christytch on Friday night.

875
00:46:26,027 --> 00:46:28,147
Speaker 2: I still find that in people. Some people are boring.

876
00:46:28,307 --> 00:46:31,867
Speaker 2: I find that utterly compelling, just you know, just watching

877
00:46:31,947 --> 00:46:35,587
Speaker 2: the commitment of the defense to repel them line after

878
00:46:35,787 --> 00:46:37,627
Speaker 2: you know, as well, what's going to stop? We saw

879
00:46:37,667 --> 00:46:39,227
Speaker 2: it happen with Will Jordan. What's going to stop a

880
00:46:39,267 --> 00:46:41,747
Speaker 2: back doing a pick and go? Well, if it's only

881
00:46:41,747 --> 00:46:43,027
Speaker 2: worth four points, I might not, but.

882
00:46:45,787 --> 00:46:48,067
Speaker 20: Banks can still score six points on pick pick and

883
00:46:48,147 --> 00:46:49,067
Speaker 20: go tries on this one.

884
00:46:49,587 --> 00:46:51,947
Speaker 2: Now I'm with you. Yes, well, yeah, maybe I don't know.

885
00:46:52,027 --> 00:46:54,427
Speaker 2: Maybe the intend is a pick and go tries. Anything

886
00:46:54,467 --> 00:46:56,787
Speaker 2: that's you know, like that are a rolling mally? You

887
00:46:56,907 --> 00:47:00,067
Speaker 2: can't you know? That's yeah. But again I don't mind

888
00:47:00,067 --> 00:47:02,147
Speaker 2: a rolling mall. There's not the worst thing.

889
00:47:02,507 --> 00:47:06,267
Speaker 21: There are worse aspects to rugby, especially if it's a

890
00:47:06,707 --> 00:47:11,947
Speaker 21: really well there's something almost artistic about a very well

891
00:47:11,987 --> 00:47:13,067
Speaker 21: put together rolling mall.

892
00:47:13,347 --> 00:47:15,187
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I agree with you here. Jason

893
00:47:15,267 --> 00:47:18,267
Speaker 2: Ryan's eyes used to light up, didn't didn't they? Who

894
00:47:18,347 --> 00:47:18,867
Speaker 2: else said that that?

895
00:47:19,827 --> 00:47:20,067
Speaker 10: It was?

896
00:47:20,467 --> 00:47:22,107
Speaker 2: Talk about how rolling? Who said that was?

897
00:47:22,147 --> 00:47:22,187
Speaker 10: It?

898
00:47:22,867 --> 00:47:22,987
Speaker 12: Was it?

899
00:47:23,067 --> 00:47:24,907
Speaker 2: Wayne Smith or somebody I might be. I might not

900
00:47:24,947 --> 00:47:27,427
Speaker 2: have been Wayne Smith, but somebody quite high up and

901
00:47:27,507 --> 00:47:30,347
Speaker 2: rugby last year said on rolling malls, you know, no good,

902
00:47:30,587 --> 00:47:33,627
Speaker 2: no good for the game, and every tight forward in

903
00:47:33,667 --> 00:47:34,667
Speaker 2: the country said, hang on.

904
00:47:34,987 --> 00:47:38,147
Speaker 20: It sounds like a Wayne Smith. Tony Brown's those fleery

905
00:47:38,347 --> 00:47:42,107
Speaker 20: backs that that love love highlight plays. No, there's there's

906
00:47:42,147 --> 00:47:45,987
Speaker 20: still good good stuff about rolling malls. The flowing back

907
00:47:46,027 --> 00:47:48,027
Speaker 20: line moves to be worth ten points for a try.

908
00:47:49,427 --> 00:47:51,187
Speaker 20: In fact, it sounds like a lobby group for the

909
00:47:51,267 --> 00:47:51,827
Speaker 20: back lines.

910
00:47:52,227 --> 00:47:55,307
Speaker 2: The TMO should decide the esthetic value of the try

911
00:47:55,747 --> 00:47:57,907
Speaker 2: and say right, I'm going to assign that one eight points.

912
00:47:58,187 --> 00:48:01,387
Speaker 2: Get gymnastics, judges and too. To determine the scores of

913
00:48:01,467 --> 00:48:07,107
Speaker 2: rugby games. We have gone into a very area. Thank

914
00:48:07,187 --> 00:48:11,147
Speaker 2: you Andy. It's one thirteen. The Chiefs through to their

915
00:48:11,187 --> 00:48:14,947
Speaker 2: third consecutive Super Rugby Final in pretty dominant fashion, beating

916
00:48:14,947 --> 00:48:17,627
Speaker 2: the Brumbies thirty seven seventeen in their semi in Hamilton

917
00:48:17,707 --> 00:48:18,107
Speaker 2: last night.

918
00:48:18,547 --> 00:48:19,827
Speaker 4: Quincy By first.

919
00:48:19,667 --> 00:48:22,747
Speaker 3: Receiver, Oh, he beats one, he beats two, five out

920
00:48:23,067 --> 00:48:24,027
Speaker 3: balls quickly in a.

921
00:48:24,107 --> 00:48:25,867
Speaker 1: Dry by the lad pick it up.

922
00:48:26,067 --> 00:48:26,667
Speaker 22: He scored.

923
00:48:26,707 --> 00:48:29,107
Speaker 3: It's fight seven the ladder out and nothing.

924
00:48:29,147 --> 00:48:30,587
Speaker 4: He's done with Stemmy Reese.

925
00:48:30,667 --> 00:48:33,107
Speaker 2: And he scored twenty two points off the boot of

926
00:48:33,147 --> 00:48:36,747
Speaker 2: Damien McKenzie. Pretty crucial both sides scoring three tries. Let's

927
00:48:36,747 --> 00:48:40,667
Speaker 2: bring a Chief midfielder Daniel Daniel congratulations for the third

928
00:48:40,787 --> 00:48:43,067
Speaker 2: year in a row. You've got a Grand Final to

929
00:48:43,227 --> 00:48:45,387
Speaker 2: prepare for. What do you reckon? The coaching staff and

930
00:48:45,467 --> 00:48:48,987
Speaker 2: the players will be most happy about after last night's

931
00:48:49,067 --> 00:48:50,227
Speaker 2: performance and result.

932
00:48:52,427 --> 00:48:56,707
Speaker 14: Yeah, I think we defended really well last night. I

933
00:48:57,147 --> 00:49:01,707
Speaker 14: had to go some big beeps hits there by pot twice,

934
00:49:01,787 --> 00:49:04,027
Speaker 14: especially early on, and I think the boys stood up

935
00:49:04,027 --> 00:49:06,507
Speaker 14: to think to believe, so sure that we really came

936
00:49:06,547 --> 00:49:06,827
Speaker 14: out of the.

937
00:49:07,547 --> 00:49:10,667
Speaker 2: Cons Obviously, you had a pretty intense game against the

938
00:49:10,707 --> 00:49:14,427
Speaker 2: Blues last weekend. Was it equally intense out there last night?

939
00:49:14,467 --> 00:49:16,227
Speaker 2: Did you feel like it ramped up you know the

940
00:49:16,347 --> 00:49:18,307
Speaker 2: rugby during during finals football?

941
00:49:19,467 --> 00:49:22,507
Speaker 14: Yeah, ok, finals, it's really physical.

942
00:49:22,547 --> 00:49:22,947
Speaker 6: Obviously.

943
00:49:23,907 --> 00:49:30,067
Speaker 14: I always a lot harder, so yeah, that's just what

944
00:49:30,187 --> 00:49:33,947
Speaker 14: you can expect. I guess with finals footage it's good.

945
00:49:33,987 --> 00:49:37,507
Speaker 2: But they scored just after halftime that made it nineteen

946
00:49:37,667 --> 00:49:41,227
Speaker 2: seventeen to you. But then a burst of eighteen unanswered

947
00:49:41,307 --> 00:49:44,107
Speaker 2: points in eighteen minutes from the Chiefs what do you

948
00:49:44,187 --> 00:49:46,427
Speaker 2: think was behind that little period of play which basically

949
00:49:46,507 --> 00:49:47,147
Speaker 2: won you the game?

950
00:49:53,507 --> 00:49:56,267
Speaker 14: Per last night put us in the right here in

951
00:49:56,307 --> 00:49:59,027
Speaker 14: the field, and obviously was really good off the team.

952
00:50:00,227 --> 00:50:06,667
Speaker 14: So he's definitely definitely was probably a bigre why that

953
00:50:06,827 --> 00:50:09,787
Speaker 14: was the case. But yeah, I think we just went

954
00:50:10,027 --> 00:50:12,907
Speaker 14: the storm in the first half and then turning our

955
00:50:13,027 --> 00:50:18,227
Speaker 14: fire and yeah, I just yeah, just played really well.

956
00:50:18,347 --> 00:50:22,427
Speaker 2: So did you get a decent view of Damion McKenzie's

957
00:50:22,427 --> 00:50:24,227
Speaker 2: trice saving tackle on Tom Wright.

958
00:50:25,507 --> 00:50:28,267
Speaker 14: No, I didn't do. I was a cross oun side

959
00:50:28,267 --> 00:50:29,987
Speaker 14: of the field, so I wasn't too short it was

960
00:50:30,067 --> 00:50:31,467
Speaker 14: going on. I thought we were coming in and they

961
00:50:31,507 --> 00:50:36,067
Speaker 14: had definitely scored and then wot's them going were checking something?

962
00:50:36,107 --> 00:50:38,627
Speaker 14: And I thought they must have been checking something from

963
00:50:38,667 --> 00:50:43,427
Speaker 14: earlier in the player But it was pretty pretty unbelievable.

964
00:50:43,707 --> 00:50:48,547
Speaker 2: I was, yeah, righteous stuff. So for about the I

965
00:50:48,587 --> 00:50:51,427
Speaker 2: think five or six game in a row or certainly

966
00:50:52,387 --> 00:50:55,627
Speaker 2: in recent times, you've been in midfield with Quintin Piet

967
00:50:55,747 --> 00:50:58,347
Speaker 2: again last night. How much you enjoying that partnership.

968
00:50:59,427 --> 00:51:00,027
Speaker 3: No, I love it.

969
00:51:00,427 --> 00:51:03,827
Speaker 14: I think he's such a claugh player and I think

970
00:51:03,867 --> 00:51:09,267
Speaker 14: we were really really work well. Yeah, he's a leader

971
00:51:09,307 --> 00:51:13,027
Speaker 14: in our background, and he's playing some really, really good football,

972
00:51:13,267 --> 00:51:15,667
Speaker 14: so I really enjoyed it.

973
00:51:16,227 --> 00:51:18,747
Speaker 2: Has Anton Lennart Brown still been in and around the group,

974
00:51:18,787 --> 00:51:21,467
Speaker 2: even though he now can't play with that injury he's

975
00:51:21,507 --> 00:51:23,467
Speaker 2: picked up Yeah.

976
00:51:23,347 --> 00:51:26,307
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, basfically stalling them around the group and has

977
00:51:26,867 --> 00:51:32,227
Speaker 14: been saying in the week to weeks he's just started

978
00:51:32,987 --> 00:51:34,707
Speaker 14: getting back into a little bit of training with us,

979
00:51:35,987 --> 00:51:40,467
Speaker 14: running the defense defense against us, and I'm pretty sure

980
00:51:40,587 --> 00:51:42,587
Speaker 14: I have doing the game again this week, which will

981
00:51:42,627 --> 00:51:42,867
Speaker 14: be good.

982
00:51:43,427 --> 00:51:46,307
Speaker 2: You must, I mean, obviously it's it's misfortune for Anton,

983
00:51:46,387 --> 00:51:48,787
Speaker 2: but for you it's opened up that thirteen jersey which

984
00:51:49,267 --> 00:51:52,347
Speaker 2: you've you've grabbed hold of. You must be enjoying having

985
00:51:52,827 --> 00:51:55,307
Speaker 2: a decent run in the side in that jersey, are you.

986
00:51:56,547 --> 00:52:00,067
Speaker 14: Yeah, obviously it's nice to be playing forty in the

987
00:52:00,147 --> 00:52:04,747
Speaker 14: position that I enjoyed the most. Obviously, not great simpercis

988
00:52:04,867 --> 00:52:09,787
Speaker 14: that und but it just happened. That's all for me

989
00:52:11,227 --> 00:52:12,987
Speaker 14: get more time than in Jersy, which.

990
00:52:14,027 --> 00:52:17,187
Speaker 2: How much did last weekend and the loss of the

991
00:52:17,227 --> 00:52:22,587
Speaker 2: Blues sting the playing group, Yeah, it's.

992
00:52:22,467 --> 00:52:29,627
Speaker 14: Definitely hurting the feeling and changing the boys AliOS all

993
00:52:29,707 --> 00:52:31,547
Speaker 14: week it was it was a big week and the

994
00:52:31,627 --> 00:52:34,907
Speaker 14: Boys Cup really well and the pality was just a

995
00:52:34,987 --> 00:52:39,147
Speaker 14: big edge through the week and we're going to put

996
00:52:39,147 --> 00:52:41,507
Speaker 14: out a good performance last night there.

997
00:52:42,187 --> 00:52:45,747
Speaker 2: Yeah, And as you look ahead to the week ahead,

998
00:52:45,747 --> 00:52:47,707
Speaker 2: as I say, this is the third year in a

999
00:52:47,787 --> 00:52:50,387
Speaker 2: row you'll be preparing for a Grand Final. I mean

1000
00:52:50,787 --> 00:52:53,347
Speaker 2: everyone's heard the stats. It's very very difficult to beat

1001
00:52:53,387 --> 00:52:57,147
Speaker 2: the Crusaders in Christ you come knockout time. Will your

1002
00:52:57,187 --> 00:52:59,907
Speaker 2: preparation be any different this week? And what do you

1003
00:52:59,947 --> 00:53:01,507
Speaker 2: think the main focus will be?

1004
00:53:03,867 --> 00:53:08,867
Speaker 14: Well on table, keep the Princeton. There's no point trying

1005
00:53:08,867 --> 00:53:13,347
Speaker 14: to changage change our week for our because a Grand

1006
00:53:13,387 --> 00:53:17,747
Speaker 14: final the work that we've done and the week that's

1007
00:53:17,747 --> 00:53:21,427
Speaker 14: got us here so far, and just really enjoy the week.

1008
00:53:21,467 --> 00:53:25,347
Speaker 14: I guess that finals don't come around too often, so

1009
00:53:26,227 --> 00:53:30,027
Speaker 14: it's been about really enjoying the week and getting the

1010
00:53:30,107 --> 00:53:32,667
Speaker 14: body giant and then just getting out of detail and

1011
00:53:32,947 --> 00:53:35,707
Speaker 14: getting down a Christ which really bad.

1012
00:53:36,547 --> 00:53:39,627
Speaker 2: I'm sure I'm Playton McMillan hasn't made this about him

1013
00:53:39,867 --> 00:53:43,907
Speaker 2: at all, But has have the players talked, you know,

1014
00:53:44,267 --> 00:53:46,867
Speaker 2: at all about wanting to send off your coach as

1015
00:53:46,867 --> 00:53:47,987
Speaker 2: a super rugby champion?

1016
00:53:49,787 --> 00:53:53,187
Speaker 14: Uh No, they haven't been been too much about that,

1017
00:53:53,347 --> 00:53:56,667
Speaker 14: but I guess that's always in the back of everyone's minds,

1018
00:53:56,947 --> 00:53:59,347
Speaker 14: you know, taking Bunks done so much for his club

1019
00:53:59,427 --> 00:54:02,107
Speaker 14: and he's been a massive part of.

1020
00:54:02,467 --> 00:54:03,227
Speaker 6: The club ground and.

1021
00:54:05,667 --> 00:54:09,267
Speaker 14: What will been on three grateful four grands in the

1022
00:54:09,347 --> 00:54:12,907
Speaker 14: last five years, say, and it comes down to a

1023
00:54:13,027 --> 00:54:16,107
Speaker 14: lot to do with Donk and be nice ye.

1024
00:54:16,147 --> 00:54:19,267
Speaker 2: In and out on the wind And famously, of course

1025
00:54:19,307 --> 00:54:21,627
Speaker 2: you were pouring concrete full time before you picked up

1026
00:54:21,667 --> 00:54:25,267
Speaker 2: your your first Chiefs contractor are presuming you you're not

1027
00:54:25,387 --> 00:54:27,147
Speaker 2: missing being on the tools.

1028
00:54:28,827 --> 00:54:31,707
Speaker 14: Obviously not they Obviously I missed because I was doing it.

1029
00:54:31,867 --> 00:54:33,667
Speaker 14: Was a couple of good mates and so I missed

1030
00:54:34,227 --> 00:54:38,587
Speaker 14: going to work with them. But bafinitely definitely missed and

1031
00:54:39,067 --> 00:54:39,547
Speaker 14: in the store.

1032
00:54:43,627 --> 00:54:46,947
Speaker 2: Well, you've earned yourself another Monday, another week to prepare

1033
00:54:46,987 --> 00:54:49,587
Speaker 2: for a Grand Final. Congratulations on the win last night, Daniel,

1034
00:54:49,707 --> 00:54:51,267
Speaker 2: and your pardon it all the beast for the week

1035
00:54:51,267 --> 00:54:53,427
Speaker 2: you hit as you prepare to go to christych and

1036
00:54:53,467 --> 00:54:54,827
Speaker 2: try and win the Super Rugby title.

1037
00:54:55,907 --> 00:54:57,107
Speaker 14: Yes, it's very much perfect.

1038
00:54:57,507 --> 00:54:59,907
Speaker 2: No, thanks for joining us, Daniel. Daniel Roner there out

1039
00:54:59,907 --> 00:55:01,907
Speaker 2: of the Chiefs camp. Another very good performance from him

1040
00:55:01,987 --> 00:55:05,707
Speaker 2: last night. He's he's stepped up, isn't he. Daniel Rohner, Yeah,

1041
00:55:05,707 --> 00:55:08,787
Speaker 2: he was pouring chrome. It was included in the wider

1042
00:55:08,867 --> 00:55:11,507
Speaker 2: training group from memory in twenty twenty three, came in

1043
00:55:11,627 --> 00:55:14,907
Speaker 2: did really well enough to win a deal, So no

1044
00:55:15,027 --> 00:55:18,947
Speaker 2: more concreting. It's rugby for Daniel Rona and a nice

1045
00:55:18,947 --> 00:55:22,107
Speaker 2: partnership he's forming with Quintupie in the Chiefs midfield with

1046
00:55:22,547 --> 00:55:25,387
Speaker 2: Antonin Lennart Brown out for the season. Okay, happy to

1047
00:55:25,427 --> 00:55:28,987
Speaker 2: take your feedback now after last night, Chiefs fans really

1048
00:55:29,027 --> 00:55:32,507
Speaker 2: good bounce back ability showing after the loss of the Blues.

1049
00:55:32,547 --> 00:55:35,587
Speaker 2: But to be fair, I never at any stage last

1050
00:55:35,667 --> 00:55:38,627
Speaker 2: night thought the Brumbis would in that game, even when

1051
00:55:38,667 --> 00:55:42,067
Speaker 2: they went ahead early and when they closed it up

1052
00:55:42,147 --> 00:55:45,627
Speaker 2: to nineteen seventeen early in the second half. The Chiefs

1053
00:55:45,667 --> 00:55:47,067
Speaker 2: has put the foot on the gas and pulled away

1054
00:55:47,547 --> 00:55:51,787
Speaker 2: and that Trice saving tackle from Damien McKenzie, My goodness,

1055
00:55:52,947 --> 00:55:56,467
Speaker 2: utterly sensational when that happens. If you're the Brumbies, you

1056
00:55:56,547 --> 00:55:58,347
Speaker 2: know it's not going to be your night. I thought

1057
00:55:58,427 --> 00:56:01,227
Speaker 2: Connor Tool's very good for them, a couple of good tries,

1058
00:56:01,547 --> 00:56:06,947
Speaker 2: constant menace, but I think we can all agree. We've

1059
00:56:06,987 --> 00:56:09,347
Speaker 2: got the two best teams this season in the final.

1060
00:56:09,987 --> 00:56:15,787
Speaker 2: So now we ask the question, can the Chiefs do

1061
00:56:15,947 --> 00:56:19,307
Speaker 2: what no other team has managed in the history of

1062
00:56:19,427 --> 00:56:24,267
Speaker 2: this competition, the entire history, and beat the Crusaders in

1063
00:56:24,307 --> 00:56:26,467
Speaker 2: a finals match in chross Church, and not just any

1064
00:56:26,467 --> 00:56:31,627
Speaker 2: finals match, the grand final. Now, I feel like if

1065
00:56:31,787 --> 00:56:38,027
Speaker 2: anyone can, it's the Chiefs. They've already won down there

1066
00:56:38,107 --> 00:56:38,587
Speaker 2: this season.

1067
00:56:39,227 --> 00:56:42,667
Speaker 23: And the Chiefs come to christ Church and make a

1068
00:56:42,907 --> 00:56:47,827
Speaker 23: real statement of intense from sixteen points down, they win

1069
00:56:48,387 --> 00:56:51,587
Speaker 23: by sixteen thirty five nineteen, and.

1070
00:56:51,787 --> 00:56:55,267
Speaker 2: They put on the highest score against the Crusaders all season.

1071
00:56:55,387 --> 00:56:56,267
Speaker 2: Back in round two.

1072
00:56:56,467 --> 00:56:58,987
Speaker 13: The siren's gone, McKenzie right out in front on the

1073
00:56:59,027 --> 00:56:59,947
Speaker 13: ten meter mark.

1074
00:56:59,947 --> 00:57:03,187
Speaker 4: Up towards and over and it goes.

1075
00:57:03,267 --> 00:57:04,907
Speaker 2: It's forty nine to twenty four.

1076
00:57:05,067 --> 00:57:05,747
Speaker 3: It's all over.

1077
00:57:06,467 --> 00:57:08,187
Speaker 2: So won in christ Each in round one of the

1078
00:57:08,227 --> 00:57:10,107
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three season, the.

1079
00:57:10,267 --> 00:57:13,347
Speaker 23: Chiefs have come to christ Jag and they do what

1080
00:57:13,547 --> 00:57:14,587
Speaker 23: not many teams too.

1081
00:57:15,027 --> 00:57:18,027
Speaker 21: They had absolutely thumped the Crusaders by thirty.

1082
00:57:17,827 --> 00:57:20,827
Speaker 2: One points to ten. But after losing just one of

1083
00:57:20,987 --> 00:57:24,627
Speaker 2: sixteen games that season, the Chiefs we shouldn't forget what

1084
00:57:24,787 --> 00:57:28,267
Speaker 2: happened when they played the Crusaders in Hamilton in the

1085
00:57:28,307 --> 00:57:29,867
Speaker 2: Grand Final in twenty twenty three.

1086
00:57:30,187 --> 00:57:32,627
Speaker 3: He's gonna kick it dead if he doesn't kick it anywhere,

1087
00:57:33,147 --> 00:57:36,027
Speaker 3: and he clears the ball and it is twenty five

1088
00:57:36,147 --> 00:57:39,267
Speaker 3: points to twenty and the Crusaders have been in the

1089
00:57:39,347 --> 00:57:42,427
Speaker 3: chiefs and they are Super Rugby Pacific champions.

1090
00:57:42,907 --> 00:57:45,307
Speaker 2: But then you think to yourself, does any of that

1091
00:57:46,547 --> 00:57:51,707
Speaker 2: really matter? This history really just completely irrelevant. Is the

1092
00:57:51,787 --> 00:57:55,187
Speaker 2: only thing that really matters? Who was better six nights

1093
00:57:55,227 --> 00:57:59,467
Speaker 2: from now? An absolute corn flip? Really, And the tab

1094
00:57:59,587 --> 00:58:02,307
Speaker 2: agrees with said. They've opened and head to head betting

1095
00:58:03,147 --> 00:58:06,947
Speaker 2: at a dollar ninety each. For those of us with

1096
00:58:07,067 --> 00:58:08,947
Speaker 2: no allegiance to either of these sides, we can just

1097
00:58:09,307 --> 00:58:11,787
Speaker 2: enjoy it without any tension. We don't have to have

1098
00:58:11,867 --> 00:58:14,667
Speaker 2: to bite our nails. We can look at it objectively.

1099
00:58:15,227 --> 00:58:17,827
Speaker 2: And so maybe it's those of us who don't have

1100
00:58:17,827 --> 00:58:20,507
Speaker 2: any skin in this game who can be the best

1101
00:58:20,587 --> 00:58:22,347
Speaker 2: predictors of how it might turn out. You look at

1102
00:58:22,347 --> 00:58:25,347
Speaker 2: the matchups, right, the sides that lined up in the semis,

1103
00:58:25,387 --> 00:58:28,947
Speaker 2: and you say, well, let's assume they'll be pretty similar

1104
00:58:28,987 --> 00:58:32,667
Speaker 2: for the final. The loose forward battle Ethan Blackadder, Tom

1105
00:58:32,787 --> 00:58:37,467
Speaker 2: Christy and the very impressive. Christian Leo Willie, who has

1106
00:58:37,507 --> 00:58:39,587
Speaker 2: to be in the All Blacks conversation. I reckon against

1107
00:58:39,787 --> 00:58:44,827
Speaker 2: Summer Penny Fee now, Luke Jacobson and Wallace Atiti. What

1108
00:58:44,987 --> 00:58:49,427
Speaker 2: a battle. Some sensational outside backs Reese v Harckey Jordan

1109
00:58:49,787 --> 00:58:53,707
Speaker 2: for the Crusaders, Carter Nullowah Stevenson for the Chiefs. Although

1110
00:58:53,707 --> 00:58:56,307
Speaker 2: there are some doubt, isn't there over Sewan Stevenson. He

1111
00:58:56,387 --> 00:58:57,827
Speaker 2: left the field last night with the head knock that

1112
00:58:57,947 --> 00:59:02,627
Speaker 2: might rule him out. And if that happens. If Sewan

1113
00:59:02,667 --> 00:59:07,227
Speaker 2: Stevenson's ruled out, it'll be very interesting to see what

1114
00:59:07,387 --> 00:59:11,387
Speaker 2: Clayton McMillan does. Would he move Damien McKenzie to fall

1115
00:59:11,467 --> 00:59:14,747
Speaker 2: back as he did early this season when Shawn Stevenson

1116
00:59:14,827 --> 00:59:17,947
Speaker 2: was still in Japan and start Josh Jacob at first five,

1117
00:59:18,187 --> 00:59:20,707
Speaker 2: or would he leave Damien McKenzie at first five and

1118
00:59:20,747 --> 00:59:22,987
Speaker 2: maybe swap at full back, maybe put Jacob there. I

1119
00:59:23,027 --> 00:59:24,787
Speaker 2: think he went on at fullback last night, didn't Hey,

1120
00:59:25,467 --> 00:59:28,147
Speaker 2: Maybe Nullo who were plays there and Attenny Nano Stuto

1121
00:59:28,227 --> 00:59:29,867
Speaker 2: comes onto the wing. I'd be doing that. I'd be

1122
00:59:30,027 --> 00:59:33,547
Speaker 2: keeping Damien McKenzie at first five because in the game

1123
00:59:33,627 --> 00:59:35,787
Speaker 2: that's going to be as intense and as tight as

1124
00:59:35,827 --> 00:59:39,387
Speaker 2: this one. I would want him running the cutter because

1125
00:59:39,427 --> 00:59:43,187
Speaker 2: that's one position where the Chiefs definitely have the edge.

1126
00:59:43,587 --> 00:59:46,067
Speaker 2: Much as Rivers Rahana has comeen and played well for

1127
00:59:46,147 --> 00:59:50,387
Speaker 2: the Crusaders, he is not Damien McKenzie, so if the

1128
00:59:50,467 --> 00:59:53,187
Speaker 2: Chiefs can set him a platform, he could be the

1129
00:59:53,347 --> 00:59:56,427
Speaker 2: most influential player in this final. And with the All

1130
00:59:56,467 --> 00:59:58,387
Speaker 2: Black squad set to be named a couple of days later,

1131
00:59:58,467 --> 01:00:01,627
Speaker 2: what better way for him to stake a claim for

1132
01:00:01,667 --> 01:00:04,387
Speaker 2: the ten jersey for the All Blacks than to guide

1133
01:00:04,547 --> 01:00:08,587
Speaker 2: his side to a Super Rugby title. Plenty of talking

1134
01:00:08,667 --> 01:00:11,467
Speaker 2: points eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is our number

1135
01:00:11,707 --> 01:00:13,707
Speaker 2: nine two ninety two. If you would prefer to send

1136
01:00:13,707 --> 01:00:15,707
Speaker 2: a text one twenty six SES's they can break back

1137
01:00:15,747 --> 01:00:16,707
Speaker 2: with your calls right after this.

1138
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Speaker 1: The biggest seams in sports are on Weekend Sports with

1139
01:00:21,147 --> 01:00:25,227
Speaker 1: Jason Paine and GJ. Gunnerhomes New Zealand's most trusted home

1140
01:00:25,307 --> 01:00:26,267
Speaker 1: builder News Talks.

1141
01:00:26,267 --> 01:00:29,547
Speaker 2: They'd be one twenty eight talking Super Rugby. Rodger says

1142
01:00:29,547 --> 01:00:32,147
Speaker 2: it's whether dependent Ponty good weather night the Chiefs win

1143
01:00:32,787 --> 01:00:35,547
Speaker 2: rainy crappy weather in christ Church, the Crusaders take it.

1144
01:00:36,187 --> 01:00:38,827
Speaker 2: Thanks Roch. It was an interesting article this week about

1145
01:00:39,267 --> 01:00:41,587
Speaker 2: the new stadium actually and whether that will take away

1146
01:00:41,667 --> 01:00:44,587
Speaker 2: the advantage that the Crusaders have in the wet down there.

1147
01:00:44,627 --> 01:00:47,187
Speaker 2: Before we go to the lines, Allison says, diehard Crusaders fan,

1148
01:00:47,747 --> 01:00:50,027
Speaker 2: but I don't think we can beat the Chiefs in

1149
01:00:50,147 --> 01:00:53,787
Speaker 2: those past factories we had Richie Mooonger and Sam Whitelock.

1150
01:00:54,947 --> 01:00:59,587
Speaker 2: Interesting Allison, interesting phil whose favorites?

1151
01:01:01,547 --> 01:01:04,667
Speaker 24: Oh gee, I don't know how you can split them pointy,

1152
01:01:06,507 --> 01:01:10,827
Speaker 24: I think, or possibly I was going to say the

1153
01:01:10,947 --> 01:01:14,627
Speaker 24: Crusaders might possibly be some for the only fact that

1154
01:01:15,467 --> 01:01:18,467
Speaker 24: it's at home, you know, their home final with that record,

1155
01:01:18,587 --> 01:01:21,187
Speaker 24: But oh, I don't know.

1156
01:01:21,467 --> 01:01:26,627
Speaker 2: To be honest, it's an unfair question to ask because

1157
01:01:26,667 --> 01:01:28,507
Speaker 2: there isn't an answer. I don't think there is an answer.

1158
01:01:28,667 --> 01:01:30,627
Speaker 2: It's all just opinion. You're right. I mean, you could

1159
01:01:30,667 --> 01:01:33,107
Speaker 2: make a case for You could make a case for

1160
01:01:33,147 --> 01:01:35,867
Speaker 2: the Crusaders based on things you've said, like home advantage.

1161
01:01:36,147 --> 01:01:36,427
Speaker 12: You could.

1162
01:01:36,667 --> 01:01:38,387
Speaker 2: You could make a case for the Chiefs like I

1163
01:01:38,507 --> 01:01:41,547
Speaker 2: have with Damian McKenzie in a key position. But really

1164
01:01:42,067 --> 01:01:43,987
Speaker 2: it is so hard to separate these two.

1165
01:01:45,347 --> 01:01:48,467
Speaker 24: Oh completely, She's just going to be a real hum dinger,

1166
01:01:48,547 --> 01:01:53,067
Speaker 24: as they say. You know, I watched both games, and boy,

1167
01:01:54,067 --> 01:01:57,627
Speaker 24: I said to Andy, I just about burnt the house

1168
01:01:57,707 --> 01:02:00,667
Speaker 24: down because I put that on the Friday night because

1169
01:02:00,747 --> 01:02:03,307
Speaker 24: I was so I was so into it. I put

1170
01:02:03,387 --> 01:02:06,227
Speaker 24: some oil wine to fry some bacon, and then those

1171
01:02:06,387 --> 01:02:10,667
Speaker 24: forty phase at the end of the game Crusaders game,

1172
01:02:10,707 --> 01:02:12,147
Speaker 24: I was on the couch, you know, and I just

1173
01:02:12,627 --> 01:02:14,747
Speaker 24: completely be careful.

1174
01:02:14,427 --> 01:02:18,187
Speaker 2: Felt to be careful, don't fry, don't fry, and watch

1175
01:02:18,227 --> 01:02:20,547
Speaker 2: it the same time. Mate, You gotta you've gotta wait

1176
01:02:20,627 --> 01:02:22,667
Speaker 2: for your bacon, wait till the end of the game.

1177
01:02:23,907 --> 01:02:26,227
Speaker 24: Yeah, but you know it was so yeah, you know,

1178
01:02:26,307 --> 01:02:32,027
Speaker 24: it was it was that and thralling, and I was, yeah,

1179
01:02:32,067 --> 01:02:36,547
Speaker 24: I thought, for a start on the Friday with the Crusaders,

1180
01:02:37,107 --> 01:02:40,107
Speaker 24: like rayhann Is, you know, he's very good player and

1181
01:02:40,187 --> 01:02:42,747
Speaker 24: he's developing in that, but I thought he was a

1182
01:02:42,827 --> 01:02:45,107
Speaker 24: bit shaky with a couple of kicks in for a start.

1183
01:02:45,187 --> 01:02:47,147
Speaker 24: But then he came right, you know, and done some

1184
01:02:47,387 --> 01:02:48,147
Speaker 24: really good stuff.

1185
01:02:48,587 --> 01:02:49,667
Speaker 25: But I thought, as.

1186
01:02:49,587 --> 01:02:52,387
Speaker 24: Well, things just weren't sort of going our way for

1187
01:02:52,507 --> 01:02:55,067
Speaker 24: a bit there, and I thought, oh god, this feels

1188
01:02:55,147 --> 01:02:57,067
Speaker 24: like this is just not going to be the Crusaders

1189
01:02:57,187 --> 01:03:00,427
Speaker 24: night one of those types of games. But they you know,

1190
01:03:00,547 --> 01:03:04,707
Speaker 24: they settled in and got there. So and like I say,

1191
01:03:04,827 --> 01:03:08,067
Speaker 24: you know that forty phases of defending that line, I

1192
01:03:08,187 --> 01:03:09,667
Speaker 24: was just sitting on the edge of the couch gun

1193
01:03:09,867 --> 01:03:10,467
Speaker 24: for God's sake.

1194
01:03:10,547 --> 01:03:11,347
Speaker 6: Don't make a mistake.

1195
01:03:11,427 --> 01:03:12,227
Speaker 13: Don't make a mistake.

1196
01:03:12,387 --> 01:03:15,147
Speaker 24: Somebody kick it to lose the bull grammar, get it

1197
01:03:15,187 --> 01:03:17,627
Speaker 24: out something, but just don't stuck it up with a penalty.

1198
01:03:18,867 --> 01:03:21,627
Speaker 24: So that was yeah, So that was fantastic. And like

1199
01:03:21,707 --> 01:03:23,627
Speaker 24: I said, I don't think the Crusaders were at their

1200
01:03:23,827 --> 01:03:26,827
Speaker 24: best on that game either. Like Auckland played really well.

1201
01:03:26,907 --> 01:03:29,107
Speaker 24: They came out of the gates and they played really well.

1202
01:03:29,547 --> 01:03:31,747
Speaker 24: And I just got the feeling that Crusaders were in

1203
01:03:31,787 --> 01:03:34,227
Speaker 24: it right at their best on top. So maybe you

1204
01:03:34,307 --> 01:03:36,227
Speaker 24: know they can up at a bit. Well, they wore

1205
01:03:36,307 --> 01:03:38,587
Speaker 24: up at a bit for this final game. Now, the

1206
01:03:40,067 --> 01:03:44,547
Speaker 24: the Chiefs game and the Blue the Brumbies, I actually

1207
01:03:44,787 --> 01:03:48,187
Speaker 24: was I actually wasn't going to be surprised. I might

1208
01:03:48,267 --> 01:03:50,787
Speaker 24: be the only one in the country that the Brumbies

1209
01:03:50,827 --> 01:03:53,387
Speaker 24: did actually get up and win, because I quite right

1210
01:03:53,467 --> 01:03:55,787
Speaker 24: the Brumbies in that first half, you know, they were right,

1211
01:03:55,867 --> 01:03:57,107
Speaker 24: and it playing really good.

1212
01:03:57,027 --> 01:03:57,747
Speaker 10: And and.

1213
01:03:59,787 --> 01:04:02,827
Speaker 24: And then you know the bit of ill discipline, you know,

1214
01:04:02,947 --> 01:04:05,467
Speaker 24: and they got penalized a few times and the Chiefs

1215
01:04:05,547 --> 01:04:07,667
Speaker 24: were able to put the wents on the board. Will

1216
01:04:07,787 --> 01:04:11,587
Speaker 24: build that pressure that way, then get that try. But

1217
01:04:11,747 --> 01:04:14,147
Speaker 24: I think the real turning point in that game where

1218
01:04:14,187 --> 01:04:17,027
Speaker 24: I thought the Blues could the Bumbies sorry, could still

1219
01:04:17,067 --> 01:04:22,347
Speaker 24: come up and win it was when Damian McKenzie saved

1220
01:04:22,347 --> 01:04:25,187
Speaker 24: it the miracua like that was unbelievable, save that try

1221
01:04:25,227 --> 01:04:27,027
Speaker 24: of keeping his hand on the ball. When he done that,

1222
01:04:27,707 --> 01:04:30,147
Speaker 24: that's when I thought, Wow, that's it. That's the end

1223
01:04:30,187 --> 01:04:32,267
Speaker 24: of it for the Brumbies. Any chance they've got now

1224
01:04:32,387 --> 01:04:32,907
Speaker 24: you know that.

1225
01:04:33,307 --> 01:04:36,147
Speaker 2: Yeah, Pell, I agree when that happened. It's one of

1226
01:04:36,187 --> 01:04:39,067
Speaker 2: those where where when something like that happens and you're

1227
01:04:39,107 --> 01:04:41,347
Speaker 2: the opposition, you think to yourself, it's just not going

1228
01:04:41,387 --> 01:04:43,667
Speaker 2: to be our night. If they had scored there, that

1229
01:04:43,707 --> 01:04:46,867
Speaker 2: would have you put them back into it. But yeah,

1230
01:04:47,507 --> 01:04:50,227
Speaker 2: I think you see kind of shrug his shoulders and say, well,

1231
01:04:50,267 --> 01:04:54,347
Speaker 2: it's not our night tonight. Good the chatters always, mate,

1232
01:04:54,547 --> 01:04:58,147
Speaker 2: Just be careful with that oil, be careful, mate, needs

1233
01:04:58,147 --> 01:05:01,547
Speaker 2: you around for a bit longer yet, Mike says Crusader's

1234
01:05:01,587 --> 01:05:05,587
Speaker 2: definitely favorites with their playoff and titles, history, homeground advantage,

1235
01:05:05,667 --> 01:05:10,907
Speaker 2: and probably weather conditions plus the extra day recovery. Good points, Mike,

1236
01:05:11,027 --> 01:05:13,747
Speaker 2: good points. Ian, who do you Reckon's going to win it?

1237
01:05:14,947 --> 01:05:18,907
Speaker 10: Well, I'm just a little baffled at the moment, Jason,

1238
01:05:18,987 --> 01:05:21,987
Speaker 10: but I've got a funny feeling the Chiefs are going

1239
01:05:22,067 --> 01:05:25,427
Speaker 10: to do it. And after last night's game, well, look,

1240
01:05:25,467 --> 01:05:28,707
Speaker 10: I was a surprised as everybody else out there in

1241
01:05:28,907 --> 01:05:33,227
Speaker 10: the rugby world that they actually got through to that score,

1242
01:05:33,347 --> 01:05:35,827
Speaker 10: you know, and I thought that's amazing, you know. But

1243
01:05:36,307 --> 01:05:39,747
Speaker 10: it was great game. Everything went well. But as he

1244
01:05:39,987 --> 01:05:42,987
Speaker 10: said earlier, the last caring, you know, I mean, he

1245
01:05:43,067 --> 01:05:47,627
Speaker 10: could be right. They just might just squeeze in the Crusaders.

1246
01:05:47,747 --> 01:05:50,307
Speaker 10: I'm just sort of but I'm backing the Chief, Mate.

1247
01:05:50,387 --> 01:05:52,387
Speaker 10: Money goes on the Chief, Jason.

1248
01:05:52,587 --> 01:05:55,787
Speaker 2: All right, And well I'll put that. Look, I'm not

1249
01:05:55,867 --> 01:05:57,987
Speaker 2: going to I'm not going to put any money on

1250
01:05:58,067 --> 01:06:01,987
Speaker 2: this game. I don't have any investments in it emotionally,

1251
01:06:02,267 --> 01:06:04,667
Speaker 2: and I'm not going to make any investment in it financially.

1252
01:06:05,187 --> 01:06:07,547
Speaker 2: I'm just going to enjoy the game. But yeah, you're

1253
01:06:07,627 --> 01:06:12,187
Speaker 2: right to say that, you know, from the part of

1254
01:06:12,227 --> 01:06:14,187
Speaker 2: country you're calling from, of course you should back your

1255
01:06:14,227 --> 01:06:17,107
Speaker 2: own team. Good on, Yan, appreciate it very much. I

1256
01:06:17,147 --> 01:06:20,147
Speaker 2: can't see the Chiefs winning in Crusader's country, says this text,

1257
01:06:20,267 --> 01:06:24,627
Speaker 2: history repeats Rivers. Rayhannah doesn't need to be Damien McKenzie.

1258
01:06:24,627 --> 01:06:26,987
Speaker 2: He proved that already throughout the season and against the

1259
01:06:26,987 --> 01:06:29,747
Speaker 2: Blues in the semi. His running and kicking game suits

1260
01:06:29,787 --> 01:06:35,227
Speaker 2: Crusader's footy, field position, set piece and performance under pressure.

1261
01:06:36,507 --> 01:06:39,587
Speaker 2: Leroy Hi after me, Bunny, how are you going?

1262
01:06:40,187 --> 01:06:40,587
Speaker 15: Very good?

1263
01:06:40,787 --> 01:06:41,147
Speaker 19: Leroy?

1264
01:06:41,187 --> 01:06:41,707
Speaker 2: How a us today?

1265
01:06:41,747 --> 01:06:41,947
Speaker 19: Mate?

1266
01:06:42,667 --> 01:06:46,747
Speaker 25: Yeah, I'm good. Thanks Money, one of the patern mast

1267
01:06:46,787 --> 01:06:49,027
Speaker 25: A legends. He was open size flank offf with Tarniky

1268
01:06:49,227 --> 01:06:51,547
Speaker 25: Beeck in the day of Richard PANOI picked me up

1269
01:06:51,587 --> 01:06:53,347
Speaker 25: last night and we went up. He wanted to game

1270
01:06:53,387 --> 01:06:55,547
Speaker 25: watch the game last night, so I took him out

1271
01:06:55,587 --> 01:06:56,987
Speaker 25: to the sports fire and gisbe knee.

1272
01:06:57,547 --> 01:06:59,907
Speaker 5: Yeah, few people, you know, not too much.

1273
01:07:00,107 --> 01:07:04,107
Speaker 25: Was quite nice Acily, but we both decided, Oh, they

1274
01:07:04,187 --> 01:07:06,587
Speaker 25: were going to go for the Chiefs next week. It's

1275
01:07:06,627 --> 01:07:09,427
Speaker 25: going to be hard, you know, coming up against the Crusaders.

1276
01:07:10,787 --> 01:07:12,507
Speaker 25: But no, it was awesome. It was an awesome game

1277
01:07:12,587 --> 01:07:12,947
Speaker 25: last night.

1278
01:07:13,507 --> 01:07:15,907
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean when the Chiefs play well and look,

1279
01:07:16,387 --> 01:07:18,467
Speaker 2: you probably have a view. I don't know whether they

1280
01:07:18,507 --> 01:07:20,587
Speaker 2: were at one hundred percent last night. They won't look

1281
01:07:20,627 --> 01:07:22,227
Speaker 2: back at and say that was our best performance of

1282
01:07:22,267 --> 01:07:24,467
Speaker 2: the season. They've been very good in other games too,

1283
01:07:24,587 --> 01:07:27,227
Speaker 2: but they are a good teammate and I just feel

1284
01:07:27,307 --> 01:07:29,267
Speaker 2: like it has to be their time. If it was

1285
01:07:29,307 --> 01:07:31,347
Speaker 2: in Hamilton, I think we'd be saying, look, this is

1286
01:07:31,427 --> 01:07:35,427
Speaker 2: the Chief's time. It's just the Crusaders' home factor, which really,

1287
01:07:35,587 --> 01:07:37,947
Speaker 2: you know, makes you think, and the fact that you

1288
01:07:38,027 --> 01:07:41,387
Speaker 2: know from last year when they were so bad to

1289
01:07:41,467 --> 01:07:43,627
Speaker 2: make it through the Grand Final and host it. It's

1290
01:07:43,707 --> 01:07:45,187
Speaker 2: just what the Crusaders do, isn't it.

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01:07:46,187 --> 01:07:48,707
Speaker 25: Yeah, they did well, as you know, master last year's

1292
01:07:48,867 --> 01:07:51,427
Speaker 25: run that their head dreadful. But this year, oh no,

1293
01:07:51,547 --> 01:07:53,267
Speaker 25: they you know, I give it to them. Give it

1294
01:07:53,347 --> 01:07:55,147
Speaker 25: to the Crusaders. They didn't been like it for years

1295
01:07:55,187 --> 01:07:55,467
Speaker 25: and years.

1296
01:07:55,507 --> 01:07:56,707
Speaker 6: But we don't want them to win.

1297
01:07:56,747 --> 01:07:57,707
Speaker 25: We have the Chiefs one.

1298
01:08:02,187 --> 01:08:03,947
Speaker 2: En George the night last time, and you're so right,

1299
01:08:04,507 --> 01:08:07,147
Speaker 2: You're so right. It's like, I don't think anybody outside

1300
01:08:07,147 --> 01:08:09,267
Speaker 2: of christ wants the Crusaders to win another one.

1301
01:08:10,427 --> 01:08:10,787
Speaker 8: I don't know.

1302
01:08:11,387 --> 01:08:14,667
Speaker 2: You know, I feel like the neutral would want the

1303
01:08:14,747 --> 01:08:17,427
Speaker 2: Chiefs to win. I could be wrong. I could be wrong,

1304
01:08:17,467 --> 01:08:20,947
Speaker 2: but I don't think I am. You know, anyway, let's

1305
01:08:20,987 --> 01:08:21,747
Speaker 2: carry on, Sherwood.

1306
01:08:21,747 --> 01:08:26,987
Speaker 26: Hello, I just thought i'd mentioned that the Crusaders are

1307
01:08:27,107 --> 01:08:29,827
Speaker 26: currently one short of having won half of the titles,

1308
01:08:29,907 --> 01:08:32,347
Speaker 26: so they've got to win this one to get back

1309
01:08:32,387 --> 01:08:34,507
Speaker 26: to their fifty percent success rate.

1310
01:08:37,067 --> 01:08:39,307
Speaker 2: Then, even then, I think Surewood is probably a reason

1311
01:08:39,307 --> 01:08:40,827
Speaker 2: why we don't want them to it. They've been so

1312
01:08:40,987 --> 01:08:42,027
Speaker 2: good for too long.

1313
01:08:43,147 --> 01:08:45,587
Speaker 26: And secondly, they're going to be paying their last game

1314
01:08:45,667 --> 01:08:48,867
Speaker 26: at this venue. They'd want to send that little ground

1315
01:08:48,947 --> 01:08:53,587
Speaker 26: off with a bang. That's very important to them. And Thirdly,

1316
01:08:54,107 --> 01:08:57,267
Speaker 26: the Chiefs to win would mean they'd won three times

1317
01:08:57,347 --> 01:08:59,747
Speaker 26: in one year against the Crusaders, and I think that's

1318
01:08:59,787 --> 01:09:00,747
Speaker 26: a pretty tough ask.

1319
01:09:01,467 --> 01:09:04,267
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody would have done that. Well, well,

1320
01:09:04,987 --> 01:09:07,907
Speaker 2: I can't imagine that anybody has ever done that, be

1321
01:09:08,507 --> 01:09:12,187
Speaker 2: beaten the Crusaders three times in one season. I would

1322
01:09:12,227 --> 01:09:15,427
Speaker 2: almost be one hundred percent confidence in saying that that

1323
01:09:15,467 --> 01:09:17,347
Speaker 2: has never happened. But then you flip that shirt and

1324
01:09:17,387 --> 01:09:20,747
Speaker 2: you say, well, if anybody's going to beat the Crusaders.

1325
01:09:20,987 --> 01:09:23,387
Speaker 2: Surely it's a team who's already done it twice this year.

1326
01:09:24,787 --> 01:09:27,427
Speaker 26: Totally. I mean, the two best teams are definitely in

1327
01:09:27,467 --> 01:09:29,987
Speaker 26: the final. There's no quibbling on that score at all,

1328
01:09:30,787 --> 01:09:33,227
Speaker 26: and so may the better team win and I hope

1329
01:09:33,227 --> 01:09:35,827
Speaker 26: of the Crusaders can.

1330
01:09:35,707 --> 01:09:38,747
Speaker 2: I just saw what thanks for calling, mate, I appreciate it.

1331
01:09:38,787 --> 01:09:41,347
Speaker 2: A bunch of tecks to get through here. When Josh

1332
01:09:41,427 --> 01:09:44,227
Speaker 2: Jacob and Damian McKenzie are on the field together, they

1333
01:09:44,307 --> 01:09:46,827
Speaker 2: are a real handful, says David. Yet it may well

1334
01:09:46,907 --> 01:09:50,547
Speaker 2: be that if Sean Stevenson has ruled out that clat

1335
01:09:50,707 --> 01:09:53,467
Speaker 2: McMillan does get both Jacob and mackenzie on the field

1336
01:09:53,547 --> 01:09:55,427
Speaker 2: at the same time, and it probably to be fair

1337
01:09:55,467 --> 01:09:57,747
Speaker 2: doesn't matter which jersey they wear because they can just

1338
01:09:57,907 --> 01:10:01,987
Speaker 2: mix and match to suit. Yeah, Josh Jacob looked good

1339
01:10:02,027 --> 01:10:03,867
Speaker 2: last night when he came on into that fullback role,

1340
01:10:03,867 --> 01:10:06,947
Speaker 2: which he hasn't rarely started in. I don't think this

1341
01:10:07,067 --> 01:10:10,107
Speaker 2: year I can't remember him starting at fullback. All of

1342
01:10:10,147 --> 01:10:12,827
Speaker 2: the starts have been at first five. I mean start

1343
01:10:12,867 --> 01:10:16,707
Speaker 2: of the season when Stevenson wasn't there, there was mackenzie

1344
01:10:16,707 --> 01:10:21,307
Speaker 2: who played fullback, not Jacob. Quick prediction, Jase, which way

1345
01:10:21,307 --> 01:10:21,667
Speaker 2: are you going?

1346
01:10:23,787 --> 01:10:25,547
Speaker 11: Don't I know which way I want it to go. An,

1347
01:10:25,547 --> 01:10:28,387
Speaker 11: as far as your blacks aspirations are concerned for this year,

1348
01:10:28,467 --> 01:10:31,147
Speaker 11: any truth that if the Crusaders are strong, the all

1349
01:10:31,187 --> 01:10:33,187
Speaker 11: blacks are going to go well?

1350
01:10:34,227 --> 01:10:36,827
Speaker 2: Well, it certainly was the case between sort of twenty

1351
01:10:36,907 --> 01:10:38,107
Speaker 2: eleven and twenty fifteen.

1352
01:10:38,907 --> 01:10:44,427
Speaker 11: Jace, Yeah, what if you look Philly Reese ethan blackhead alike.

1353
01:10:44,507 --> 01:10:48,507
Speaker 11: If they all go super strong and they win, looks

1354
01:10:48,547 --> 01:10:50,867
Speaker 11: good for all blacks. I just hope it's they all

1355
01:10:50,947 --> 01:10:53,667
Speaker 11: go well. And I hope Damien McKenzie is an absolute blinder,

1356
01:10:53,787 --> 01:10:56,227
Speaker 11: but he falls about two points short of the Crusaders,

1357
01:10:56,267 --> 01:10:58,907
Speaker 11: and then I'm very happy, right, Jas.

1358
01:10:59,387 --> 01:11:01,187
Speaker 2: I take it on board, mate, I take it on

1359
01:11:01,227 --> 01:11:03,507
Speaker 2: the board. And I like the way you're thinking. Having

1360
01:11:03,587 --> 01:11:05,627
Speaker 2: Luke Jacobson and Quincy pie Back made a mess of

1361
01:11:05,707 --> 01:11:08,627
Speaker 2: difference last night, says this text. I'm a Crusaders fan,

1362
01:11:08,787 --> 01:11:11,187
Speaker 2: but the Chiefs are definitely the favorites, says this one.

1363
01:11:11,707 --> 01:11:15,587
Speaker 2: You're wrong, says Judy. Every Mainlander will be behind the Crusaders.

1364
01:11:16,827 --> 01:11:17,507
Speaker 12: Is that, Judy?

1365
01:11:17,627 --> 01:11:18,227
Speaker 7: Is that true?

1366
01:11:20,027 --> 01:11:25,027
Speaker 2: Duneed In folk, Dunedin Folk, do you want the Crusaders

1367
01:11:25,067 --> 01:11:29,547
Speaker 2: to win. I understand those in the Crusaders catchment, which

1368
01:11:29,627 --> 01:11:32,147
Speaker 2: is christ Church up. I understand if those in the

1369
01:11:32,227 --> 01:11:39,427
Speaker 2: Tasman region are cheering for the Crusaders, but duneading people Southlanders?

1370
01:11:41,787 --> 01:11:46,627
Speaker 2: Do you want the Crusaders to win? Blackie says, if

1371
01:11:46,667 --> 01:11:48,907
Speaker 2: Sewan Stevens's rule out Saturday night, the Chiefs will play

1372
01:11:48,987 --> 01:11:52,387
Speaker 2: a Tenny Nanos Tuta full back if he's fit. It

1373
01:11:52,427 --> 01:11:54,947
Speaker 2: would be a bad move to bugger around with Damien.

1374
01:11:55,227 --> 01:11:58,107
Speaker 2: Chiefs win. Thanks Blackie, He's a good text coming through here.

1375
01:12:00,067 --> 01:12:03,787
Speaker 2: Crusaders to win, but the new stadium's cursed. They'll never

1376
01:12:03,867 --> 01:12:06,627
Speaker 2: win another home playoff game. Goodness, but that's an early call.

1377
01:12:07,187 --> 01:12:09,907
Speaker 2: I haven't even open the doors yet. Twenty to two.

1378
01:12:10,067 --> 01:12:12,267
Speaker 2: Let's take a break come back with James mcconey.

1379
01:12:12,187 --> 01:12:14,987
Speaker 1: Don't get caught off signe call. Eight hundred eighty eight

1380
01:12:15,427 --> 01:12:19,987
Speaker 1: Weekend Sports with Jason Pain and GJ. Guvnerholmes, New Zealand's

1381
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1382
01:12:21,267 --> 01:12:25,867
Speaker 2: News Dogs env seventeen to two. Judy's text has been

1383
01:12:25,947 --> 01:12:28,627
Speaker 2: the catalyst for an influx.

1384
01:12:29,667 --> 01:12:29,987
Speaker 6: Text.

1385
01:12:30,427 --> 01:12:33,507
Speaker 2: Judy's contention was that everybody in the South Island will

1386
01:12:33,547 --> 01:12:36,747
Speaker 2: be supporting the Crusaders. It would appear duty that's not

1387
01:12:36,827 --> 01:12:40,027
Speaker 2: the case. Absolutely no from Dunedin says this one up

1388
01:12:40,067 --> 01:12:43,307
Speaker 2: the Chiefs. Every Mainlander won't be behind the Crusaders, says Nigel,

1389
01:12:43,547 --> 01:12:45,667
Speaker 2: She's wrong. Everyone south of the White Tucky is for

1390
01:12:45,747 --> 01:12:50,307
Speaker 2: the Chiefs. From Dunedin definitely supporting the Chiefs. Allison says,

1391
01:12:50,387 --> 01:12:52,467
Speaker 2: I'm a Crusaders fan, but I know further south they

1392
01:12:52,547 --> 01:12:56,107
Speaker 2: hate us like everybody else does. And I'm a Highlander supporter,

1393
01:12:56,187 --> 01:13:01,067
Speaker 2: says this one. I hate the Crusaders going into workers

1394
01:13:01,147 --> 01:13:04,627
Speaker 2: so much better after a Crusaders loss, go the Chiefs.

1395
01:13:04,707 --> 01:13:07,147
Speaker 2: There you go, Judy, So perhaps not everybody. And three

1396
01:13:07,747 --> 01:13:10,307
Speaker 2: is a Crusaders fan. James mccaroniy, hello.

1397
01:13:10,267 --> 01:13:12,147
Speaker 6: Mate, get a piney.

1398
01:13:12,227 --> 01:13:12,627
Speaker 11: How are you?

1399
01:13:12,747 --> 01:13:15,387
Speaker 6: Yes, enjoying all the calls, but also I've got a

1400
01:13:15,427 --> 01:13:17,747
Speaker 6: plan for the NPC. Can I put it go on?

1401
01:13:18,107 --> 01:13:20,267
Speaker 2: Yeah? Can I please please watch your pitch?

1402
01:13:21,027 --> 01:13:24,467
Speaker 6: My pitch is that apart from Friday night it's daytime rugby,

1403
01:13:24,667 --> 01:13:27,107
Speaker 6: no kickoff later than five pm. People have said that,

1404
01:13:27,347 --> 01:13:31,387
Speaker 6: but especially with the Friday night game like cities like Auckland.

1405
01:13:31,787 --> 01:13:34,067
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think Pokakoe Counties would wan a

1406
01:13:34,147 --> 01:13:36,187
Speaker 6: Friday night game, so it has to be you know,

1407
01:13:37,147 --> 01:13:38,867
Speaker 6: the union has to want it and be able to

1408
01:13:38,947 --> 01:13:42,827
Speaker 6: market it properly. So then there's that three conferences the

1409
01:13:42,947 --> 01:13:48,147
Speaker 6: South for teams on the South Island south of Otago, Canterbury, Tasman,

1410
01:13:48,507 --> 01:13:51,587
Speaker 6: Central Wellington one of two Hawks, Bay and Tallanak and

1411
01:13:51,667 --> 01:13:55,747
Speaker 6: then North has the six remaining teams, So from Bakland

1412
01:13:55,787 --> 01:13:57,827
Speaker 6: all the way up to Northland and you have a

1413
01:13:57,907 --> 01:14:00,347
Speaker 6: top seven with the number one team going straight to

1414
01:14:00,427 --> 01:14:03,467
Speaker 6: the semi finals, et cetera, et cetera. And your trial

1415
01:14:03,587 --> 01:14:07,387
Speaker 6: new laws, so the rolling wall tries less, you can

1416
01:14:07,467 --> 01:14:11,107
Speaker 6: make a box check because they suck, and then you know,

1417
01:14:11,347 --> 01:14:14,147
Speaker 6: just basically tinker with the laws even limit the number

1418
01:14:14,187 --> 01:14:17,027
Speaker 6: of picking goes and one out runs as well. You

1419
01:14:17,107 --> 01:14:19,067
Speaker 6: know that you have to pass the able, you know,

1420
01:14:19,227 --> 01:14:21,707
Speaker 6: more than more than once or something, which is what

1421
01:14:21,867 --> 01:14:24,387
Speaker 6: you actually do a lot of junior rugby and league.

1422
01:14:24,947 --> 01:14:27,067
Speaker 6: You can't just run up from dummy harf and stuff.

1423
01:14:27,107 --> 01:14:28,227
Speaker 6: And it works quite well.

1424
01:14:28,787 --> 01:14:32,027
Speaker 2: Innovation. I love the innovation. We have to think outside

1425
01:14:32,027 --> 01:14:33,827
Speaker 2: the box, don't we We have to do We can't

1426
01:14:33,867 --> 01:14:36,427
Speaker 2: just keep on doing what we've always done, you know,

1427
01:14:36,547 --> 01:14:39,467
Speaker 2: in a in a changing landscape like this. I think.

1428
01:14:39,507 --> 01:14:41,387
Speaker 2: I love the conferences. I think that would you know,

1429
01:14:41,547 --> 01:14:45,347
Speaker 2: that would compel you know, those those existing rivalries to

1430
01:14:45,387 --> 01:14:47,347
Speaker 2: become perhaps even more passionate.

1431
01:14:47,667 --> 01:14:48,067
Speaker 12: I like it.

1432
01:14:48,147 --> 01:14:50,107
Speaker 2: You need to pitch, Yeah, you need to pitch it

1433
01:14:50,187 --> 01:14:53,587
Speaker 2: to whoever it is that makes these decisions at HQ.

1434
01:14:54,667 --> 01:14:54,867
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1435
01:14:55,147 --> 01:14:57,027
Speaker 6: How many more months have I got with Mark Robinson?

1436
01:14:57,107 --> 01:14:59,547
Speaker 6: I can maybe ask him for an audience, just you know,

1437
01:14:59,667 --> 01:15:02,067
Speaker 6: for his slips out the door. But saving on travel

1438
01:15:02,107 --> 01:15:03,867
Speaker 6: would be a big thing, I reckon, because you're just

1439
01:15:03,947 --> 01:15:06,867
Speaker 6: gonna You're going to reduce costs the stand. We all

1440
01:15:06,907 --> 01:15:07,067
Speaker 6: know that.

1441
01:15:07,187 --> 01:15:10,547
Speaker 2: Poney, yep, absolutely right. Well, I like you. I like

1442
01:15:10,627 --> 01:15:12,427
Speaker 2: the way you're thinking. Hey, now when we speak in

1443
01:15:12,467 --> 01:15:14,747
Speaker 2: a week from now, you'll be a super rugby champion.

1444
01:15:15,827 --> 01:15:17,067
Speaker 2: Surely the Chiefs will win it.

1445
01:15:17,907 --> 01:15:21,587
Speaker 6: No more baiting, please. The master Basa is in the house,

1446
01:15:21,667 --> 01:15:24,547
Speaker 6: and I tell you what I can't deal with. I

1447
01:15:24,827 --> 01:15:26,707
Speaker 6: I was hoping the Brumbis would win because I just

1448
01:15:26,747 --> 01:15:29,867
Speaker 6: don't want to deal well, another disappointing final. I don't

1449
01:15:29,867 --> 01:15:32,747
Speaker 6: want to see Rob Penny breakdance these things that we

1450
01:15:32,907 --> 01:15:35,547
Speaker 6: have to win last night, because now we go to

1451
01:15:35,667 --> 01:15:39,587
Speaker 6: christ Church. The biggest task, the toughest task the hospital

1452
01:15:39,667 --> 01:15:42,587
Speaker 6: pass and all of rugby is to go and win

1453
01:15:42,667 --> 01:15:45,947
Speaker 6: down there. I mean, yeah, the Chiefs are a chance,

1454
01:15:46,147 --> 01:15:47,827
Speaker 6: but your thoughts money, No.

1455
01:15:47,947 --> 01:15:52,827
Speaker 2: I look, it is a coin flip. I've been saying

1456
01:15:52,827 --> 01:15:54,867
Speaker 2: all afternoon. The tab can't say break them a dollar

1457
01:15:54,987 --> 01:15:58,987
Speaker 2: ninety each. I honestly think the Chiefs can do it.

1458
01:15:59,627 --> 01:16:01,627
Speaker 2: I think they can go down there and do it.

1459
01:16:02,227 --> 01:16:05,827
Speaker 2: There's these indefinable things. Clayton McMillan will be heading away.

1460
01:16:05,907 --> 01:16:08,867
Speaker 2: You know that doesn't count for anything on the scoreboard,

1461
01:16:08,907 --> 01:16:12,307
Speaker 2: but doesn't count for something inside that playing group because

1462
01:16:12,347 --> 01:16:14,987
Speaker 2: we know how much they they love him. The Damien

1463
01:16:15,107 --> 01:16:17,947
Speaker 2: McKenzie factor for me is massive. I think if it

1464
01:16:18,107 --> 01:16:21,867
Speaker 2: was if the Crusaders had Bowden, Barrett or Richie Muonga,

1465
01:16:22,227 --> 01:16:24,947
Speaker 2: then would be having a different conversation. I like Rivers Rayhana,

1466
01:16:25,267 --> 01:16:28,907
Speaker 2: but Dmak in big moments can be a game changer.

1467
01:16:29,507 --> 01:16:32,147
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think Dmak will have more touches than

1468
01:16:32,187 --> 01:16:34,867
Speaker 6: Bowden had on Friday night. I think he's so involved

1469
01:16:34,907 --> 01:16:37,787
Speaker 6: in the game as even with his with that defense,

1470
01:16:37,867 --> 01:16:41,067
Speaker 6: defensive play, He's just everywhere, and I think that will

1471
01:16:41,107 --> 01:16:44,667
Speaker 6: be a huge help. You could argue that the Crusaders

1472
01:16:44,707 --> 01:16:47,347
Speaker 6: have the edge in the forwards and the Chiefs maybe

1473
01:16:47,467 --> 01:16:49,187
Speaker 6: have an edge in the backs. But then we're waiting

1474
01:16:49,227 --> 01:16:52,947
Speaker 6: on Sewan Stevenson and I agree with your text before

1475
01:16:53,107 --> 01:16:55,307
Speaker 6: saying it's any nine nice Obsuto for me would be

1476
01:16:55,427 --> 01:16:58,987
Speaker 6: the logical replacement good big left boots on him as well,

1477
01:16:59,067 --> 01:17:01,747
Speaker 6: so he can kick, which will be needed. But my

1478
01:17:01,787 --> 01:17:03,947
Speaker 6: biggest concern is I think Will Jordan is the best

1479
01:17:04,027 --> 01:17:06,187
Speaker 6: rugby player and he's zelland at the moment back yep,

1480
01:17:06,507 --> 01:17:08,587
Speaker 6: forward and he's going to bug knee and he's still

1481
01:17:09,107 --> 01:17:11,827
Speaker 6: the best in show as far as I'm concerned.

1482
01:17:12,267 --> 01:17:16,027
Speaker 2: Yeah, incredible player. Hey, I'm just on on the forward battle.

1483
01:17:16,427 --> 01:17:19,147
Speaker 2: How good's Christian Leo? Will he Bean? He's a player,

1484
01:17:19,267 --> 01:17:19,507
Speaker 2: isn't he?

1485
01:17:20,347 --> 01:17:22,827
Speaker 6: Oh No, he's amazing, the massy boy from out west

1486
01:17:22,867 --> 01:17:26,147
Speaker 6: here choir boy. You know, he's just one of those guys,

1487
01:17:26,187 --> 01:17:28,267
Speaker 6: and I mean, raising needs to take credit. Probably one

1488
01:17:28,307 --> 01:17:31,947
Speaker 6: of the best sign of you know, scouts of diamonds

1489
01:17:31,987 --> 01:17:34,587
Speaker 6: in the rough, you know, FITZU Douglas was another one

1490
01:17:34,627 --> 01:17:36,747
Speaker 6: that he brought down there come or come or you

1491
01:17:36,827 --> 01:17:40,747
Speaker 6: know those guys that have come flourished in the Crusaders,

1492
01:17:41,187 --> 01:17:44,547
Speaker 6: you know Jordan til four before that, there's just so

1493
01:17:44,667 --> 01:17:47,107
Speaker 6: many players that they take and turn into champions. I

1494
01:17:47,267 --> 01:17:50,227
Speaker 6: love Christian Leo Willie and I think though our Chiefs

1495
01:17:50,307 --> 01:17:54,747
Speaker 6: lose forwards, they with our top loose forwards out there.

1496
01:17:54,907 --> 01:17:57,107
Speaker 6: And I think Simon Parker probably needs to come back

1497
01:17:57,147 --> 01:17:59,787
Speaker 6: into the mix because he's had a good season. But

1498
01:18:00,267 --> 01:18:04,747
Speaker 6: Jacobson slowly turning into Sam Kine, you know, just cleaning

1499
01:18:04,827 --> 01:18:10,707
Speaker 6: the balls perfect so we get better possession. And obviously

1500
01:18:10,907 --> 01:18:13,827
Speaker 6: while a Titi is still trying and he's gotten that

1501
01:18:13,947 --> 01:18:17,147
Speaker 6: ankle strapped up, but I think he'll be another week

1502
01:18:17,347 --> 01:18:20,627
Speaker 6: and probably a game not as physical as the Crusader's

1503
01:18:20,627 --> 01:18:24,107
Speaker 6: Blues game will help. So my one thing I would

1504
01:18:24,147 --> 01:18:26,627
Speaker 6: say before we move off Super Rugby is out wide,

1505
01:18:27,067 --> 01:18:29,187
Speaker 6: the Chiefs have some real raz or dazzle. But if

1506
01:18:29,227 --> 01:18:32,107
Speaker 6: you notice even last night, the difference they made was

1507
01:18:32,187 --> 01:18:34,867
Speaker 6: mainly through the middle, So Nadawa with the pick and

1508
01:18:34,947 --> 01:18:37,187
Speaker 6: go and a couple of breaks up the center. There

1509
01:18:37,267 --> 01:18:40,227
Speaker 6: was an assist from Leroy Cardiff right in front of

1510
01:18:40,267 --> 01:18:42,987
Speaker 6: the posts. So sometimes it's not out wide where you

1511
01:18:43,067 --> 01:18:45,347
Speaker 6: get the impact from these guys. So watch that as well.

1512
01:18:45,467 --> 01:18:47,547
Speaker 2: Yeah, and tight games as well. You're so right, Well,

1513
01:18:47,667 --> 01:18:49,907
Speaker 2: Will Jordan with a pick and go try on Friday night.

1514
01:18:50,187 --> 01:18:52,907
Speaker 2: You know that's not Will Jordan's you know, normal method

1515
01:18:52,987 --> 01:18:56,107
Speaker 2: of scoring isn't. But you're so right, And yeah, there

1516
01:18:56,147 --> 01:18:58,187
Speaker 2: we be lots of water chat about across the week. Yeah,

1517
01:18:58,267 --> 01:18:59,987
Speaker 2: let's see where we are all week from now. Hey,

1518
01:19:00,067 --> 01:19:03,787
Speaker 2: other matters around, Ryan Fox continues has rise. I mean,

1519
01:19:04,067 --> 01:19:06,067
Speaker 2: he obviously is out of contention at the US Open,

1520
01:19:06,107 --> 01:19:08,427
Speaker 2: but he's playing in the US Open. He's playing the

1521
01:19:08,467 --> 01:19:12,187
Speaker 2: weekend at the US Open, exactly.

1522
01:19:12,427 --> 01:19:14,707
Speaker 6: I mean, I love the rise of Ryan Fox has

1523
01:19:14,747 --> 01:19:18,227
Speaker 6: been an incredible story, and his reconnecting with his old

1524
01:19:18,267 --> 01:19:21,147
Speaker 6: coach Marcus Wheelhouse has made a huge difference to him.

1525
01:19:21,547 --> 01:19:24,987
Speaker 6: Just confidence. Those two guys just bounce off each other

1526
01:19:25,227 --> 01:19:28,227
Speaker 6: and gel really well. And I know, I know for

1527
01:19:28,307 --> 01:19:31,627
Speaker 6: a fact that when Marcus Wheelhouse is overseas with Ryan Fox,

1528
01:19:32,067 --> 01:19:35,987
Speaker 6: he tends to phone his wife Melody Robinson less because

1529
01:19:36,027 --> 01:19:38,987
Speaker 6: he's having such a good time with Foxy that they just.

1530
01:19:39,907 --> 01:19:42,667
Speaker 16: You know, I mean, it makes a difference. Right, other

1531
01:19:42,747 --> 01:19:45,667
Speaker 16: times he's he's zooming and he's face timing, but hey,

1532
01:19:45,907 --> 01:19:48,467
Speaker 16: when he's with Foxy, he's having the time of his life.

1533
01:19:48,507 --> 01:19:50,147
Speaker 16: And I think that makes a big difference.

1534
01:19:51,147 --> 01:19:53,467
Speaker 6: As you no pint. You're on tour, probably facetiming and

1535
01:19:53,547 --> 01:19:54,707
Speaker 6: missus all the time, right.

1536
01:19:54,947 --> 01:19:58,107
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh no, we do tend to chant, yeah, reasonably regularly.

1537
01:19:58,187 --> 01:20:00,667
Speaker 2: But I don't know. I don't know Melody Robinson or

1538
01:20:00,827 --> 01:20:03,107
Speaker 2: Marcus Wheelhouse well at all. I've obviously had a bit

1539
01:20:03,187 --> 01:20:05,147
Speaker 2: to do with both of them, but I reckon they've

1540
01:20:05,307 --> 01:20:07,787
Speaker 2: obviously come to some sort of arrangement that works for everybody.

1541
01:20:08,427 --> 01:20:12,027
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's pretty good. So having Marcus back, I can

1542
01:20:12,107 --> 01:20:14,467
Speaker 6: see Ryan Fox as well. He's looking a lot trimmer.

1543
01:20:14,787 --> 01:20:17,147
Speaker 6: I think he's laying off the Applebee's, which I found

1544
01:20:17,587 --> 01:20:19,827
Speaker 6: very tempting over there. I think he goes to the

1545
01:20:19,947 --> 01:20:22,867
Speaker 6: PF Chain's or something. There are a lot of good

1546
01:20:22,947 --> 01:20:26,507
Speaker 6: restaurants in America with very big cautions. But Fox has

1547
01:20:26,547 --> 01:20:29,867
Speaker 6: been disciplined. But also what he's getting his respect from

1548
01:20:30,027 --> 01:20:32,787
Speaker 6: the elite. He's one of the boys now. So Scotti

1549
01:20:32,867 --> 01:20:35,027
Speaker 6: Scheffler pretty much came up to him and said that

1550
01:20:35,147 --> 01:20:36,947
Speaker 6: three would you hit in that playoff hole at the

1551
01:20:36,987 --> 01:20:39,387
Speaker 6: Canadian Open was one of the greatest shots I've ever

1552
01:20:39,467 --> 01:20:43,227
Speaker 6: seen you. Rory mckleboy's giving him a bear hug in

1553
01:20:43,307 --> 01:20:46,267
Speaker 6: the car park, and this is the difference Fox, he's

1554
01:20:46,307 --> 01:20:46,987
Speaker 6: one of the lambs.

1555
01:20:47,387 --> 01:20:49,547
Speaker 2: Yeah, love it, I absolutely love it. Love it for him.

1556
01:20:50,027 --> 01:20:53,467
Speaker 2: Can we finish with tennis? We know that that rugby

1557
01:20:53,507 --> 01:20:56,507
Speaker 2: has built on tribalism and rivalries, tennis is as well,

1558
01:20:56,547 --> 01:20:59,187
Speaker 2: and we've got a bit of a new guard emerging.

1559
01:21:00,267 --> 01:21:03,667
Speaker 6: Yes, indeed. And look, I mean I think the Ciner

1560
01:21:03,747 --> 01:21:07,427
Speaker 6: versus Al Kharaz rivalry. Men's tennis need that so badly.

1561
01:21:07,947 --> 01:21:11,387
Speaker 6: But also the you know, Cocoa golf coming through and

1562
01:21:12,307 --> 01:21:15,147
Speaker 6: upsetting the apple cart there in the in the French

1563
01:21:15,227 --> 01:21:17,907
Speaker 6: Open was outstanding. So I mean, I just think that

1564
01:21:18,507 --> 01:21:21,907
Speaker 6: having I think there were seeds one and two playing

1565
01:21:21,947 --> 01:21:24,827
Speaker 6: each other was just brilliant for tennis and it really

1566
01:21:24,907 --> 01:21:28,187
Speaker 6: needed it because the drop off after the veteran Nadal

1567
01:21:28,507 --> 01:21:32,987
Speaker 6: and you know Jokovac, even though he's still around, is huge.

1568
01:21:33,067 --> 01:21:36,147
Speaker 6: And I think, you know, without the the Williams sisters,

1569
01:21:36,187 --> 01:21:40,107
Speaker 6: et cetera, whatever you want, that both both sides of

1570
01:21:40,267 --> 01:21:42,267
Speaker 6: tennis needed a shot in the arm and they've got it.

1571
01:21:42,507 --> 01:21:45,467
Speaker 6: But also wanted to maybe just finish piny just quickly.

1572
01:21:45,507 --> 01:21:48,507
Speaker 6: With the cricket, I thought the South Africans were incredible.

1573
01:21:48,827 --> 01:21:52,907
Speaker 6: I'm glad they they won and I was impressed at

1574
01:21:52,947 --> 01:21:55,307
Speaker 6: how humble they were in victory, saying oh, hey, you've

1575
01:21:55,347 --> 01:21:57,947
Speaker 6: got the better conditions. It's like it doesn't matter. You

1576
01:21:58,227 --> 01:22:01,427
Speaker 6: won the World Test Championship. And we need to thank

1577
01:22:01,507 --> 01:22:05,627
Speaker 6: South Africa because without South African cricket and that factory,

1578
01:22:05,907 --> 01:22:09,827
Speaker 6: we would have Neil Wagner, Devin Comwaits, Glenn Phillip's, Colum Monroe,

1579
01:22:09,867 --> 01:22:12,427
Speaker 6: Grant Elliott. The list goes on Piney. So thanks to

1580
01:22:12,507 --> 01:22:13,867
Speaker 6: South African cricket.

1581
01:22:13,987 --> 01:22:17,547
Speaker 2: Indeed, and good to see them lose that Chokers for tag. Finally,

1582
01:22:17,947 --> 01:22:19,787
Speaker 2: good to chat James. We'll do it again next week

1583
01:22:19,827 --> 01:22:25,107
Speaker 2: when you're a Super Rugby champion winning team supporter. Look

1584
01:22:25,187 --> 01:22:27,827
Speaker 2: forward to that seven to two from Gonna on text.

1585
01:22:28,227 --> 01:22:30,187
Speaker 2: The Crusaders are good, but they're not the Crusaders of

1586
01:22:30,227 --> 01:22:33,587
Speaker 2: twenty three. No Richie, no Sam. Absolutely world class players.

1587
01:22:33,627 --> 01:22:36,507
Speaker 2: I feel the Chiefs pack and especially the reserves will

1588
01:22:36,547 --> 01:22:38,187
Speaker 2: be the difference. Just look at the Brumby scrum in

1589
01:22:38,227 --> 01:22:40,627
Speaker 2: the last twenty minutes the last trip to christ Church.

1590
01:22:41,107 --> 01:22:43,707
Speaker 2: Our forwards dominated them in the second half which led

1591
01:22:43,707 --> 01:22:46,867
Speaker 2: to a very good win. I have six long sleeps

1592
01:22:46,947 --> 01:22:48,067
Speaker 2: to wait. I can't wait.

1593
01:22:48,467 --> 01:22:49,187
Speaker 4: Go my Chiefs.

1594
01:22:49,227 --> 01:22:51,067
Speaker 2: Good on, You're gonna good to hear from you News

1595
01:22:51,147 --> 01:22:51,787
Speaker 2: next to two.

1596
01:22:53,387 --> 01:22:56,187
Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

1597
01:22:56,667 --> 01:22:59,987
Speaker 1: and after field. It's all on Weeke and Ford with

1598
01:23:00,227 --> 01:23:04,667
Speaker 1: Jason Taine on your Home of Sport, New York.

1599
01:23:06,347 --> 01:23:06,827
Speaker 12: He seven.

1600
01:23:06,867 --> 01:23:09,707
Speaker 2: This is Weekend's Sport on News TALKSB until three when

1601
01:23:09,747 --> 01:23:14,427
Speaker 2: Tim Beveridge takes over for Sunday's edition of the Weekend Collective.

1602
01:23:14,547 --> 01:23:17,427
Speaker 2: Looking forward to that. Before we can hand over, though

1603
01:23:17,587 --> 01:23:19,587
Speaker 2: a bit to get through. Want to cover off a

1604
01:23:19,627 --> 01:23:23,307
Speaker 2: whole bunch of American sport, including playoffs in the NHL

1605
01:23:23,467 --> 01:23:31,507
Speaker 2: and NBA. Leon Busby Stateside with US will also celebrate

1606
01:23:31,627 --> 01:23:35,507
Speaker 2: South Africa's throwing off of their chokers tag and cricket.

1607
01:23:35,547 --> 01:23:39,187
Speaker 2: They finally won something, the World Test Championship. Aiden Markram

1608
01:23:39,307 --> 01:23:42,067
Speaker 2: was the star as they beat Australia by five wickets

1609
01:23:42,107 --> 01:23:46,787
Speaker 2: in the final at Lord's Over. Note Daryl Gibson along shortly.

1610
01:23:46,947 --> 01:23:48,907
Speaker 2: You'll know him as a former All Black, but he

1611
01:23:49,107 --> 01:23:53,787
Speaker 2: is the new high Performance director for New Zealand Cricket,

1612
01:23:54,547 --> 01:23:57,507
Speaker 2: Chief high Performance Officer. To give him his correct title,

1613
01:23:57,867 --> 01:24:01,147
Speaker 2: Chief high Performance Officer, it was Brian Stronach's old job.

1614
01:24:01,507 --> 01:24:04,227
Speaker 2: He's left and Daryl Gibson is now in that role.

1615
01:24:04,627 --> 01:24:07,707
Speaker 2: He'll chat to us shortly. We were looking at ways

1616
01:24:07,747 --> 01:24:10,427
Speaker 2: of improving rugby a short time ago. Somebody on text

1617
01:24:10,507 --> 01:24:14,587
Speaker 2: has suggested that the person who scores the try has

1618
01:24:14,667 --> 01:24:18,667
Speaker 2: to take the conversion. I don't mind it, don't mind it.

1619
01:24:19,147 --> 01:24:22,667
Speaker 2: It does rather take the goalkicking out of the equation.

1620
01:24:22,787 --> 01:24:25,067
Speaker 2: I know you can still kick penalties in that, but yeah,

1621
01:24:25,107 --> 01:24:27,547
Speaker 2: it does take a goalkicking out of the equation ever

1622
01:24:27,627 --> 01:24:30,187
Speaker 2: so slightly. Maybe maybe that's a good thing. Yeah, so

1623
01:24:30,427 --> 01:24:34,467
Speaker 2: the try scorer has to take the conversion anyway, Your

1624
01:24:34,547 --> 01:24:36,947
Speaker 2: calls and text on all matters are welcome. Oh eight

1625
01:24:37,067 --> 01:24:40,147
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two ninety two on text.

1626
01:24:40,907 --> 01:24:42,907
Speaker 2: But as we took past eight pass two as we

1627
01:24:43,027 --> 01:24:45,507
Speaker 2: always do, and around this time on weekend sport, let's

1628
01:24:45,547 --> 01:24:48,027
Speaker 2: get you up today with a busy sporting weekend stuff

1629
01:24:48,027 --> 01:24:52,427
Speaker 2: that's happens mainly off these shores that you might not

1630
01:24:52,907 --> 01:24:55,147
Speaker 2: yet have caught up with in case you missed it,

1631
01:24:55,627 --> 01:24:59,987
Speaker 2: Starting with cycling, another day in the Daphina and another

1632
01:25:00,107 --> 01:25:02,027
Speaker 2: big win for Taday Pigaca.

1633
01:25:03,147 --> 01:25:08,507
Speaker 15: Well today fez Ma hat number Sanger guard had parts

1634
01:25:08,547 --> 01:25:13,427
Speaker 15: to play, but Pagaccia doesn't play by their rules and

1635
01:25:13,627 --> 01:25:16,867
Speaker 15: he yets again rights to the finish line alone today

1636
01:25:16,947 --> 01:25:21,147
Speaker 15: in yellow ninety eight wins for taday Pagaia.

1637
01:25:21,067 --> 01:25:23,947
Speaker 2: Just looking head and shoulders above his rivals. With the

1638
01:25:24,027 --> 01:25:27,227
Speaker 2: Tour de France now just around the corner to the Nral,

1639
01:25:27,307 --> 01:25:30,107
Speaker 2: the Roosters had to fight but managed to complete the

1640
01:25:30,187 --> 01:25:31,707
Speaker 2: comeback against the Knights.

1641
01:25:31,467 --> 01:25:35,827
Speaker 22: To disco he'll kick hed lid y chase it dru

1642
01:25:36,707 --> 01:25:41,867
Speaker 22: see one on the race for the Roosters are congratulating

1643
01:25:41,907 --> 01:25:45,227
Speaker 22: each other because the time back on the.

1644
01:25:45,347 --> 01:25:49,627
Speaker 27: Last second expiers and they've come from behind eight points

1645
01:25:49,707 --> 01:25:52,547
Speaker 27: to kneel down and to win at twelve points to

1646
01:25:52,667 --> 01:25:55,387
Speaker 27: eight the final score in Newcastle.

1647
01:25:55,467 --> 01:25:59,347
Speaker 2: The Dolphins, meantime, dishing out a walloping to the Cowboys.

1648
01:25:59,427 --> 01:26:04,907
Speaker 22: I Karima show short Moloa.

1649
01:26:05,467 --> 01:26:10,267
Speaker 19: There's another what Dolphins I said about the supporting actors.

1650
01:26:11,547 --> 01:26:15,347
Speaker 19: They have not had a bad player, everyone who's contributed

1651
01:26:16,067 --> 01:26:17,907
Speaker 19: to what is an enormous win.

1652
01:26:17,787 --> 01:26:20,787
Speaker 2: For the club fifty eight to four. The Dolphins won

1653
01:26:20,867 --> 01:26:24,267
Speaker 2: that one somehow, improving on their fifty six sixth win

1654
01:26:24,787 --> 01:26:27,707
Speaker 2: last week. The Dolphins going great guns to Formula one.

1655
01:26:27,827 --> 01:26:31,027
Speaker 2: A tough day for Liam Lawson in Montreal, but George

1656
01:26:31,107 --> 01:26:33,947
Speaker 2: Russell had a happy day for Mercedes.

1657
01:26:34,067 --> 01:26:37,707
Speaker 28: Here though, comes backs for Stapane's batch of pool again

1658
01:26:38,147 --> 01:26:41,267
Speaker 28: in a forty half bowl coming his way. Why is

1659
01:26:41,307 --> 01:26:44,987
Speaker 28: George Russell just thatching away from him again in Montreal

1660
01:26:45,107 --> 01:26:50,027
Speaker 28: and he has He's George Russell mister Saturday hop pole position.

1661
01:26:50,587 --> 01:26:54,267
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Liam Lawson will start in eighteenth on the grid

1662
01:26:54,507 --> 01:26:57,427
Speaker 2: when the race gets underway around six tomorrow morning. Ryan

1663
01:26:57,547 --> 01:27:00,067
Speaker 2: Fox another challenging day at the US Golf Open, but

1664
01:27:00,107 --> 01:27:02,867
Speaker 2: he still had his moments, said Ryan Fox said, a

1665
01:27:02,907 --> 01:27:04,427
Speaker 2: couple close to ours, two hawns.

1666
01:27:05,107 --> 01:27:08,027
Speaker 4: This whole locations should really suit his ball flight.

1667
01:27:09,227 --> 01:27:13,467
Speaker 2: All right, Fox is dial in here in this third round.

1668
01:27:13,547 --> 01:27:16,067
Speaker 23: That'll be his third consecutive birdie.

1669
01:27:16,907 --> 01:27:19,267
Speaker 2: Ryan Fox finishing three over for the day. He sits

1670
01:27:19,307 --> 01:27:21,547
Speaker 2: in a tie for thirty ninth at eight over for

1671
01:27:21,627 --> 01:27:24,907
Speaker 2: the tournament. And Jordy Barrett has finished his time at

1672
01:27:25,027 --> 01:27:29,387
Speaker 2: Leinster in winning fashion, leading them to the URC title

1673
01:27:29,787 --> 01:27:32,867
Speaker 2: with a win over the balls in the final over

1674
01:27:32,987 --> 01:27:33,907
Speaker 2: the top on.

1675
01:27:34,067 --> 01:27:37,787
Speaker 22: The padstof for Jordy Barty chicks ahead Tommy our pride

1676
01:27:37,827 --> 01:27:40,227
Speaker 22: of Jordy Barrett had a raster cut down.

1677
01:27:41,307 --> 01:27:43,147
Speaker 10: Torny Barrett cuts the tray.

1678
01:27:42,987 --> 01:27:47,347
Speaker 19: The thing from Jeffrey the BA Leinster's big player comes

1679
01:27:47,387 --> 01:27:48,907
Speaker 19: off with a Lasser moment in the.

1680
01:27:49,107 --> 01:27:52,787
Speaker 1: RC final when it's down to the line. You made

1681
01:27:52,827 --> 01:27:57,867
Speaker 1: a call on eighty Weekend Force with Jason Hine us

1682
01:27:57,947 --> 01:27:59,267
Speaker 1: talksib there.

1683
01:27:59,307 --> 01:28:02,067
Speaker 2: We got to great to have Jordy Barrett back. The

1684
01:28:02,187 --> 01:28:04,707
Speaker 2: All Black squad, the first one of the season, incidentally,

1685
01:28:04,827 --> 01:28:09,067
Speaker 2: for the French Tests in Lie is named a week tomorrow,

1686
01:28:09,587 --> 01:28:14,547
Speaker 2: So next Monday, I think that's the twenty third from memory. Monday,

1687
01:28:14,587 --> 01:28:17,067
Speaker 2: the twenty third of June is when Scott Robertson will

1688
01:28:17,107 --> 01:28:20,347
Speaker 2: unveil his first All Black squad of the year. I

1689
01:28:20,467 --> 01:28:23,427
Speaker 2: understand it's going to be thirty five names, thirty five

1690
01:28:23,507 --> 01:28:25,507
Speaker 2: in that squad. We'll bring it to you on News

1691
01:28:25,587 --> 01:28:29,427
Speaker 2: Talks EDB of course when that time comes. New Zealand

1692
01:28:29,507 --> 01:28:34,627
Speaker 2: Cricket meantime has a new Chief high Performance Officer and

1693
01:28:34,747 --> 01:28:37,387
Speaker 2: it's a former All Black, Darryl Gibson. He is going

1694
01:28:37,427 --> 01:28:40,347
Speaker 2: to start in the role next month, replacing the long

1695
01:28:40,467 --> 01:28:45,027
Speaker 2: serving but now departing Brian Stronik. Daryl Gibson comes into

1696
01:28:45,107 --> 01:28:47,907
Speaker 2: the job from his role as head of high Performance

1697
01:28:47,987 --> 01:28:51,987
Speaker 2: Coaching at High Performance Sport. New Zealand and Daryl Gibson

1698
01:28:52,507 --> 01:28:55,147
Speaker 2: is with us on Weekend Sport. Daryl, thanks for taking

1699
01:28:55,187 --> 01:28:58,707
Speaker 2: the time. Congratulations on the appointment. What was it about

1700
01:28:58,787 --> 01:29:00,867
Speaker 2: this role that attracted you to it?

1701
01:29:01,827 --> 01:29:04,427
Speaker 8: Well, thank first of all, thank you Pony. That's quite

1702
01:29:04,467 --> 01:29:10,067
Speaker 8: a mouthful that title. On what attracted me to the role,

1703
01:29:10,147 --> 01:29:15,267
Speaker 8: I think obviously the role itself and the opportunity to

1704
01:29:15,467 --> 01:29:20,907
Speaker 8: join an organization in New Zealand cricket that is reshaping

1705
01:29:20,987 --> 01:29:26,467
Speaker 8: itself to be fit for purpose in an increasingly complex

1706
01:29:27,747 --> 01:29:31,507
Speaker 8: cricketing scene. I think what we're seeing in sport, and

1707
01:29:31,787 --> 01:29:34,987
Speaker 8: I know Rugby going through the same thing, is the

1708
01:29:35,067 --> 01:29:38,987
Speaker 8: way we're consuming sport, how sport is funded and invested

1709
01:29:39,027 --> 01:29:42,187
Speaker 8: in is changing, you know, with's the way we consume

1710
01:29:42,227 --> 01:29:46,107
Speaker 8: sport with TV, and it's making sure we're fit for

1711
01:29:46,187 --> 01:29:50,667
Speaker 8: purpose for that. But then also, you know, cricket is ambitious.

1712
01:29:50,947 --> 01:29:54,307
Speaker 8: You know, I really love that global nature. You know,

1713
01:29:54,587 --> 01:30:01,587
Speaker 8: NDT have invested into Major League cricket in America, you know,

1714
01:30:01,747 --> 01:30:03,707
Speaker 8: so it's it's sport that wants to go places, and

1715
01:30:04,347 --> 01:30:06,667
Speaker 8: you know, I'm really really privileged.

1716
01:30:06,227 --> 01:30:09,027
Speaker 2: To joint I want to talk about the complexity of

1717
01:30:09,147 --> 01:30:12,987
Speaker 2: the global cricketing landscape. In a moment. But what do

1718
01:30:13,107 --> 01:30:17,507
Speaker 2: you perceive to be the most important parts of this role?

1719
01:30:19,667 --> 01:30:22,627
Speaker 8: For me, the most important part is ensuring that we

1720
01:30:22,707 --> 01:30:27,867
Speaker 8: are a sustainable competitive cricket nation year on here and

1721
01:30:28,147 --> 01:30:30,147
Speaker 8: for me, what comes down to making sure that our

1722
01:30:30,227 --> 01:30:34,787
Speaker 8: high performance system is producing men and women at a

1723
01:30:34,907 --> 01:30:40,827
Speaker 8: very high level to sustain our competitive edge. We're a

1724
01:30:40,947 --> 01:30:43,667
Speaker 8: small nation in terms of cricket and so we've always

1725
01:30:43,707 --> 01:30:49,947
Speaker 8: had to bet above our capability and we've consistently done

1726
01:30:49,987 --> 01:30:53,067
Speaker 8: that over the last fifteen years. So first of all,

1727
01:30:53,147 --> 01:30:55,627
Speaker 8: we're really curious to learn what is it that we're

1728
01:30:55,707 --> 01:30:58,707
Speaker 8: doing better than any other cricket nation in the world,

1729
01:30:58,747 --> 01:31:01,307
Speaker 8: because there will be strengths there that we're going to

1730
01:31:01,387 --> 01:31:04,787
Speaker 8: make sure we maintain. But then also coming in with

1731
01:31:04,867 --> 01:31:09,067
Speaker 8: a fresh set of eyes, okay, with some performance growth

1732
01:31:09,147 --> 01:31:12,307
Speaker 8: and gaps currently in our system in ways that we

1733
01:31:12,387 --> 01:31:12,867
Speaker 8: can be better.

1734
01:31:13,907 --> 01:31:16,747
Speaker 2: The cricketing landscape, as you have outlined there, has changed

1735
01:31:17,027 --> 01:31:19,787
Speaker 2: markedly in recent times and will continue to do so,

1736
01:31:20,227 --> 01:31:24,267
Speaker 2: no doubt. How do you ensure international success in the

1737
01:31:24,347 --> 01:31:28,707
Speaker 2: face of the rise and rise of T twenty franchise cricket?

1738
01:31:29,467 --> 01:31:31,987
Speaker 8: Yeah, and that that is a challenge, isn't it, Because

1739
01:31:33,147 --> 01:31:35,027
Speaker 8: we can all see the large sums of money that

1740
01:31:35,147 --> 01:31:38,507
Speaker 8: are on offer for our young men women in terms

1741
01:31:38,547 --> 01:31:41,907
Speaker 8: of playing in IPL leagues solely, so I think there's

1742
01:31:41,947 --> 01:31:46,747
Speaker 8: a real job to make sure that playing for New

1743
01:31:46,827 --> 01:31:52,107
Speaker 8: Zealand and Cricket Internationals and the three formats still retains

1744
01:31:52,267 --> 01:31:56,267
Speaker 8: a very special place and meaning for the players, because

1745
01:31:56,267 --> 01:31:59,667
Speaker 8: we know we're competing with a large sums of money,

1746
01:32:00,427 --> 01:32:03,787
Speaker 8: an opportunity that if we were in similar positions, you

1747
01:32:04,227 --> 01:32:07,587
Speaker 8: would make it very difficult. First of all, making sure

1748
01:32:07,627 --> 01:32:12,067
Speaker 8: the environments that we produce in all three formats are

1749
01:32:12,267 --> 01:32:14,427
Speaker 8: very compelling and the players want to come back and

1750
01:32:14,467 --> 01:32:19,827
Speaker 8: play for New Zealand. I still think that players are

1751
01:32:19,867 --> 01:32:22,307
Speaker 8: always going to need a platform to be able to

1752
01:32:22,347 --> 01:32:26,307
Speaker 8: pick up the deals and contracts around the world. You're

1753
01:32:26,307 --> 01:32:27,947
Speaker 8: still going to have to play well for your country

1754
01:32:28,107 --> 01:32:30,187
Speaker 8: and be the very very best cricketer you can be.

1755
01:32:30,427 --> 01:32:36,507
Speaker 8: So certainly where that challenge, that complexity of the amount

1756
01:32:36,547 --> 01:32:39,547
Speaker 8: of cricket that is on offer around the global stage

1757
01:32:40,547 --> 01:32:44,347
Speaker 8: and making sure that New Zealand still retains that special place.

1758
01:32:45,787 --> 01:32:46,987
Speaker 2: And do you think it does at the moment is

1759
01:32:47,267 --> 01:32:49,227
Speaker 2: that I know you're about to start in the role,

1760
01:32:49,307 --> 01:32:51,507
Speaker 2: but it feels to me as though there is that. Yes,

1761
01:32:51,547 --> 01:32:54,147
Speaker 2: there are players who are opting not to take up

1762
01:32:54,227 --> 01:32:57,027
Speaker 2: central contracts, but it seems to me and I don't

1763
01:32:57,027 --> 01:32:59,307
Speaker 2: think they're lying. When you ask the players, they still

1764
01:32:59,387 --> 01:33:03,307
Speaker 2: talk about the specialness of the international environment. Is that

1765
01:33:03,427 --> 01:33:04,427
Speaker 2: your perception too.

1766
01:33:05,147 --> 01:33:09,387
Speaker 8: Absolutely, I still think it retains that genuine I want

1767
01:33:09,427 --> 01:33:13,307
Speaker 8: to play for my country and I want to perform

1768
01:33:13,387 --> 01:33:15,867
Speaker 8: and be part of the team and challenge on the

1769
01:33:15,947 --> 01:33:20,707
Speaker 8: international sort of global stage. So our challenges for the

1770
01:33:20,827 --> 01:33:23,547
Speaker 8: coaches and administrators in the game to make sure that

1771
01:33:23,667 --> 01:33:29,667
Speaker 8: that's retained. The values of what we stand for identified

1772
01:33:29,747 --> 01:33:33,667
Speaker 8: to need to be very strong and clear right through

1773
01:33:33,707 --> 01:33:38,347
Speaker 8: our whole pathway. So that's also part of the challenge

1774
01:33:38,387 --> 01:33:40,067
Speaker 8: of making sure that retains.

1775
01:33:40,707 --> 01:33:42,707
Speaker 2: And you arrive into this role at around the same

1776
01:33:42,747 --> 01:33:45,107
Speaker 2: time as a new black Caps coach has just been appointed,

1777
01:33:45,387 --> 01:33:48,147
Speaker 2: Rob Alter taking over from Gary Stead. Of course, does

1778
01:33:48,227 --> 01:33:50,947
Speaker 2: the fact that you're new, he's new and an extra

1779
01:33:51,067 --> 01:33:53,467
Speaker 2: layer of challenge for you both or actually is it

1780
01:33:53,547 --> 01:33:55,947
Speaker 2: a chance to look at things through two sets of

1781
01:33:55,987 --> 01:33:56,547
Speaker 2: fresh eyes.

1782
01:33:57,627 --> 01:33:59,547
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think there's a bit of both there. There

1783
01:33:59,627 --> 01:34:02,427
Speaker 8: is definitely an opportunity. What attracted me to this role

1784
01:34:02,587 --> 01:34:04,027
Speaker 8: is the fact that I knew there would be an

1785
01:34:04,067 --> 01:34:09,387
Speaker 8: incoming head coach and an opportunity to potentially reshape things

1786
01:34:09,587 --> 01:34:11,107
Speaker 8: in the direction that we feel that we.

1787
01:34:11,187 --> 01:34:11,547
Speaker 6: Need to go.

1788
01:34:13,107 --> 01:34:16,387
Speaker 8: But then also the challenge of you have two new

1789
01:34:16,427 --> 01:34:18,747
Speaker 8: people into the system, you know, And that's something I

1790
01:34:18,827 --> 01:34:22,347
Speaker 8: spoke about at my interview with the chair and the

1791
01:34:22,427 --> 01:34:25,427
Speaker 8: CE and the captains around the role that they have

1792
01:34:25,627 --> 01:34:28,907
Speaker 8: to ensure that what everything that has been great about

1793
01:34:28,947 --> 01:34:33,267
Speaker 8: New Zealand Cricket has retained and then the two new

1794
01:34:33,267 --> 01:34:35,987
Speaker 8: people into the system get to learn that really quickly

1795
01:34:36,267 --> 01:34:40,707
Speaker 8: about our standards and our years and so forth, our

1796
01:34:40,787 --> 01:34:44,147
Speaker 8: culture and making sure that we integrate quickly.

1797
01:34:45,427 --> 01:34:47,427
Speaker 2: If we just zoom out a bit, Daryl, regardless of

1798
01:34:47,507 --> 01:34:51,267
Speaker 2: what sport it is, are there key factors that apply

1799
01:34:51,427 --> 01:34:54,347
Speaker 2: across all effective high performance environments?

1800
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Speaker 8: Absolutely, And I think there are principles because simply I'm

1801
01:35:01,147 --> 01:35:04,107
Speaker 8: not from cricket. I am that fresh pair of eyes

1802
01:35:04,507 --> 01:35:06,987
Speaker 8: that can come into a system and look at it

1803
01:35:07,107 --> 01:35:10,267
Speaker 8: from a point of view of principles. We're very lucky

1804
01:35:10,347 --> 01:35:12,747
Speaker 8: here in New Zealand and that you know, our principles

1805
01:35:12,787 --> 01:35:16,067
Speaker 8: are pretty clear around high performance. It firstly starts with people.

1806
01:35:16,747 --> 01:35:19,347
Speaker 8: We're in a people business. How do we get people

1807
01:35:19,427 --> 01:35:23,907
Speaker 8: together operating in a very clear direction and purpose around

1808
01:35:23,947 --> 01:35:26,907
Speaker 8: a really clear defined set of values that, especially when

1809
01:35:27,027 --> 01:35:32,147
Speaker 8: unique to our country, and form in such a way

1810
01:35:32,427 --> 01:35:37,787
Speaker 8: that produces sporting performances that firstly people here in New

1811
01:35:37,867 --> 01:35:41,427
Speaker 8: Zealand can identify with and be very proud of. And

1812
01:35:41,547 --> 01:35:45,947
Speaker 8: I think the way our sports people and that's one

1813
01:35:45,987 --> 01:35:49,107
Speaker 8: of the things I've admired about our cricket team is

1814
01:35:49,707 --> 01:35:52,467
Speaker 8: the way they play the game. We play to win,

1815
01:35:53,587 --> 01:35:54,427
Speaker 8: but we also.

1816
01:35:54,507 --> 01:35:58,147
Speaker 14: When we win well, we win with money, and.

1817
01:35:58,187 --> 01:36:03,147
Speaker 8: I think that's really important. So it's cutos and brilliant

1818
01:36:03,227 --> 01:36:07,147
Speaker 8: for the work that Gary, Mike Hessen, Ben Sawyer and

1819
01:36:07,187 --> 01:36:13,027
Speaker 8: the women's game have really installed a culture around Hey, yep,

1820
01:36:13,347 --> 01:36:16,867
Speaker 8: we play hard. We expect that, as keywis, but also

1821
01:36:18,387 --> 01:36:20,627
Speaker 8: you know, we play the game in the right spirit.

1822
01:36:21,467 --> 01:36:23,707
Speaker 2: Just back to the black Cats coaching role, there was

1823
01:36:23,827 --> 01:36:29,227
Speaker 2: talk that perhaps a split and responsibilities might occur between

1824
01:36:29,307 --> 01:36:31,387
Speaker 2: red and white ball. That hasn't been the case. Rob

1825
01:36:31,467 --> 01:36:34,907
Speaker 2: will oversee all formats. Can you see a time down

1826
01:36:34,947 --> 01:36:37,827
Speaker 2: the track when that is revisited.

1827
01:36:39,147 --> 01:36:42,347
Speaker 8: I think possibly, you know, I'm sure he's on a

1828
01:36:42,387 --> 01:36:47,227
Speaker 8: cricket discussed all the different advantages and disadvantages of splitting

1829
01:36:47,267 --> 01:36:52,627
Speaker 8: white ball red bull. Obviously, having two coaches, two chiefs

1830
01:36:52,707 --> 01:36:56,507
Speaker 8: of different areas would provide its challenge but also an opportunity,

1831
01:36:57,907 --> 01:37:01,027
Speaker 8: Whereas if you have one leader or one coach setting

1832
01:37:01,587 --> 01:37:05,467
Speaker 8: the culture and framework across all three teams, it's certainly

1833
01:37:06,427 --> 01:37:09,827
Speaker 8: more consistent and clearer for the players. And I guess

1834
01:37:09,907 --> 01:37:12,747
Speaker 8: at this point in time we've opted for that and

1835
01:37:12,867 --> 01:37:17,867
Speaker 8: that it's better to have one coach across all three formats.

1836
01:37:18,387 --> 01:37:20,507
Speaker 8: Of course, the detraction and that, and we've seen that

1837
01:37:20,627 --> 01:37:23,787
Speaker 8: over time, and Piney, I think you'd agree it's a

1838
01:37:23,947 --> 01:37:27,747
Speaker 8: heavy workload for one coach. You know, that's a considerable

1839
01:37:27,747 --> 01:37:32,347
Speaker 8: amount of time away committed to cricket and those three formats.

1840
01:37:33,027 --> 01:37:37,507
Speaker 8: So I think building building in enough time for the

1841
01:37:37,587 --> 01:37:40,227
Speaker 8: coach to reach, ouge and regenerate themselves is going to

1842
01:37:40,267 --> 01:37:43,387
Speaker 8: be important. You know, the way we look after our

1843
01:37:43,467 --> 01:37:46,427
Speaker 8: coach in that regard is going to be part of the.

1844
01:37:46,467 --> 01:37:47,107
Speaker 5: Work that I do.

1845
01:37:48,187 --> 01:37:50,627
Speaker 2: And we'll know about your rugby career. Nineteen Test matches

1846
01:37:50,667 --> 01:37:54,787
Speaker 2: for the All Blacks, multiple Super Rugby championships with the Crusaders,

1847
01:37:54,867 --> 01:37:56,187
Speaker 2: do you Plinny cricket growing.

1848
01:37:56,027 --> 01:38:01,347
Speaker 8: Up, I certainly won't feature in the Cricket b Rugman

1849
01:38:01,587 --> 01:38:03,267
Speaker 8: playfor party.

1850
01:38:03,347 --> 01:38:04,307
Speaker 25: I can assure you that.

1851
01:38:06,627 --> 01:38:09,347
Speaker 8: Just like many New Zealanders grew up on a diet

1852
01:38:09,467 --> 01:38:14,347
Speaker 8: of when cricket was on mainstream TV, you know those

1853
01:38:14,427 --> 01:38:18,187
Speaker 8: years where we're dominated with Hadley and over in Australia,

1854
01:38:18,307 --> 01:38:21,667
Speaker 8: and obviously the Money ninety World Cup features strongly in

1855
01:38:21,787 --> 01:38:26,107
Speaker 8: my mind. I've always admired cricketers. I think, you know,

1856
01:38:26,307 --> 01:38:29,747
Speaker 8: getting getting on the patch and facing someone who's bowling

1857
01:38:29,827 --> 01:38:34,547
Speaker 8: at one. You know, it takes some courage and bravery

1858
01:38:34,707 --> 01:38:37,227
Speaker 8: just to do that. So from that point of view,

1859
01:38:37,667 --> 01:38:44,747
Speaker 8: certainly admire my cricket and it's all particularly five day

1860
01:38:44,787 --> 01:38:50,827
Speaker 8: cricket Test match in terms of the consistency the patients

1861
01:38:51,147 --> 01:38:55,387
Speaker 8: and what character traits is required to win through five days.

1862
01:38:56,347 --> 01:38:59,947
Speaker 2: Well, congrats again on the new role. Exciting times ahead

1863
01:38:59,947 --> 01:39:02,627
Speaker 2: and interesting challenging times ahead as well for the game

1864
01:39:02,627 --> 01:39:06,547
Speaker 2: of cricket both domestically and internationally. I hope it's art.

1865
01:39:06,667 --> 01:39:06,787
Speaker 25: Well.

1866
01:39:06,787 --> 01:39:08,907
Speaker 2: We'll look forward to catching up once you've got your

1867
01:39:09,187 --> 01:39:11,227
Speaker 2: feet under the desk in a couple of months time

1868
01:39:11,307 --> 01:39:14,787
Speaker 2: or so. Brilli, Thanks Boyne, no, thank you, Darrel, Darrel Gibson.

1869
01:39:14,827 --> 01:39:17,947
Speaker 2: There he is the new new Zealand Cricket Chief High

1870
01:39:18,027 --> 01:39:21,787
Speaker 2: Performance Officer, replacing Brian Stronach, looking forward very much to

1871
01:39:21,867 --> 01:39:25,827
Speaker 2: seeing what he brings to that role. Two twenty three.

1872
01:39:26,587 --> 01:39:30,867
Speaker 2: In the NHL Stanley Cup Finals, Game five, best of

1873
01:39:31,067 --> 01:39:35,547
Speaker 2: seven between Florida and Edmonton, Florida Lee three to one

1874
01:39:35,627 --> 01:39:37,547
Speaker 2: in the third period. There are three periods in the

1875
01:39:37,587 --> 01:39:40,147
Speaker 2: game of ice hockey. They're three to one ahead with

1876
01:39:40,387 --> 01:39:42,147
Speaker 2: twelve and a half minutes to go in the third period,

1877
01:39:42,227 --> 01:39:44,267
Speaker 2: so effectively twelve and a half minutes to go in

1878
01:39:44,347 --> 01:39:47,187
Speaker 2: the game. The series tied at two a piece, so

1879
01:39:47,347 --> 01:39:51,067
Speaker 2: Florida with the advantage in the third period of Game five.

1880
01:39:51,227 --> 01:39:54,587
Speaker 2: Will cover off American sport in greater detail before three

1881
01:39:54,627 --> 01:39:57,747
Speaker 2: o'clock with Leon Busby State side. But when we come back,

1882
01:39:57,827 --> 01:40:01,227
Speaker 2: it's a wrap of the World Test Championship Cricket Final,

1883
01:40:01,267 --> 01:40:04,347
Speaker 2: both captains with their postmatch thoughts and the big moments

1884
01:40:04,387 --> 01:40:07,227
Speaker 2: from the game which saw South Africa become champions for

1885
01:40:07,267 --> 01:40:07,747
Speaker 2: the first time.

1886
01:40:07,787 --> 01:40:11,627
Speaker 1: Back after this, the Voice of Sport on your Home

1887
01:40:11,707 --> 01:40:17,427
Speaker 1: of Sport Weekend Sport with Jason Fyne gj Gunnos, New Zealand's.

1888
01:40:16,987 --> 01:40:20,507
Speaker 2: Most trusted oh builder News Talks ITV two twenty six

1889
01:40:20,587 --> 01:40:22,027
Speaker 2: on News Talks b just before we get to the

1890
01:40:22,067 --> 01:40:25,747
Speaker 2: World Test Championship Cricket Final. KII Formula One driver Liam Lawson,

1891
01:40:25,787 --> 01:40:29,107
Speaker 2: we'll start eighteenth on the grid in tomorrow morning's Canadian

1892
01:40:29,147 --> 01:40:32,387
Speaker 2: Grand Prix in Montreal. He could only post the nineteenth

1893
01:40:32,467 --> 01:40:35,547
Speaker 2: best time in qualifying after being in the top ten

1894
01:40:35,627 --> 01:40:38,467
Speaker 2: in both practice sessions. Yesterday, he was upgrade at a

1895
01:40:38,547 --> 01:40:41,507
Speaker 2: place on the grid after a penalty to Red Bulls

1896
01:40:41,587 --> 01:40:47,147
Speaker 2: Yuki Sonoda. Here are Liam Lawson's brief post qualifying thoughts. Hayleim,

1897
01:40:47,387 --> 01:40:49,627
Speaker 2: you're looking goods out there? What happens?

1898
01:40:50,587 --> 01:40:55,227
Speaker 29: I have no idea, to be honest, We trades. We've

1899
01:40:55,227 --> 01:40:56,787
Speaker 29: been struggling to make the tire work on the first

1900
01:40:56,867 --> 01:41:00,787
Speaker 29: lap all weekends, honestly, and first running Q one, I

1901
01:41:00,787 --> 01:41:03,547
Speaker 29: had to do a bill lap to have them in

1902
01:41:03,587 --> 01:41:05,027
Speaker 29: the right window, and we didn't do a bill lap

1903
01:41:05,067 --> 01:41:07,507
Speaker 29: for the last run and it didn't have much script

1904
01:41:07,547 --> 01:41:11,947
Speaker 29: through the lap. So yeah, it's uh, it's pretty disappointing.

1905
01:41:12,747 --> 01:41:14,787
Speaker 29: Jars been fast, so could you.

1906
01:41:14,747 --> 01:41:16,307
Speaker 2: Just run out of time then to do that build

1907
01:41:16,387 --> 01:41:17,227
Speaker 2: up in that second run?

1908
01:41:18,147 --> 01:41:20,587
Speaker 29: We know we had time, but once you kind of commit,

1909
01:41:21,987 --> 01:41:23,827
Speaker 29: you know to the lab or so halfway through the lab.

1910
01:41:23,907 --> 01:41:25,347
Speaker 29: By then you've used a lot of the tire and

1911
01:41:26,027 --> 01:41:28,627
Speaker 29: you you know, I could have boord it and then

1912
01:41:28,667 --> 01:41:30,747
Speaker 29: start the next lap, but then tires are again not

1913
01:41:30,827 --> 01:41:35,827
Speaker 29: on the right windows. So it's uh, you kind of

1914
01:41:35,867 --> 01:41:38,907
Speaker 29: have to commit to it early on and with yeah,

1915
01:41:38,947 --> 01:41:40,587
Speaker 29: we just we tried to make it work on the

1916
01:41:40,627 --> 01:41:42,587
Speaker 29: first laps as most people did to be fair, and

1917
01:41:42,987 --> 01:41:43,707
Speaker 29: just didn't work for us.

1918
01:41:44,107 --> 01:41:46,027
Speaker 2: So eighteenth on the grid. Tomorrow morning when the race

1919
01:41:46,067 --> 01:41:48,107
Speaker 2: gets under way, it's six New Zealand time for Liam

1920
01:41:48,187 --> 01:41:51,547
Speaker 2: Lawson Mercedes. George Russell will start from poll for the

1921
01:41:51,627 --> 01:41:54,307
Speaker 2: first time in twenty twenty five. Read balls Max for

1922
01:41:54,387 --> 01:41:58,947
Speaker 2: stepping alongside him with the McLaren of Oscar Pastree. Third

1923
01:41:59,107 --> 01:42:01,627
Speaker 2: on the grid. Let's go to cricket and the World

1924
01:42:01,707 --> 01:42:05,547
Speaker 2: Test Championship Finals. South Africa's long wait for an ic

1925
01:42:05,827 --> 01:42:11,627
Speaker 2: C troph Feet is finally over. RAINA does the honors.

1926
01:42:12,227 --> 01:42:18,347
Speaker 30: And South Africa make history. The Ultimate Test, the ultimate

1927
01:42:18,427 --> 01:42:23,107
Speaker 30: result of the proteers, the roy motion.

1928
01:42:23,627 --> 01:42:25,587
Speaker 31: The jubilation takes over on.

1929
01:42:25,707 --> 01:42:30,067
Speaker 30: The field and the grandstands, in the dressing rooms. Years

1930
01:42:30,187 --> 01:42:34,867
Speaker 30: in the waiting, the ultimate stage to played Test match.

1931
01:42:34,747 --> 01:42:37,267
Speaker 2: Here at Lord's the Ultimate Arena, the.

1932
01:42:37,267 --> 01:42:39,067
Speaker 30: Biggest opposition in Australia.

1933
01:42:39,587 --> 01:42:42,227
Speaker 31: They've given us so much heartache over the years.

1934
01:42:45,267 --> 01:42:45,867
Speaker 10: That now.

1935
01:42:47,547 --> 01:42:51,507
Speaker 30: The xtormation mark of an ICC event. They've stood tall

1936
01:42:52,147 --> 01:42:53,427
Speaker 30: and ended up victorious.

1937
01:42:53,747 --> 01:42:56,347
Speaker 2: Special moment for the Proteas, winning the World Test Championship

1938
01:42:56,387 --> 01:42:59,787
Speaker 2: Final at Lord's against Australia by five wickets. A very

1939
01:42:59,827 --> 01:43:04,187
Speaker 2: low scoring Test finally saw Australia score just two hundred

1940
01:43:04,187 --> 01:43:08,307
Speaker 2: and twelve in two hundred and seven in their respective innings.

1941
01:43:08,307 --> 01:43:10,067
Speaker 2: South avering a one hundred and thirty eight all out

1942
01:43:10,107 --> 01:43:13,467
Speaker 2: on their first innings, leaving themselves two hundred and eighty

1943
01:43:13,627 --> 01:43:16,227
Speaker 2: two to chase in the fourth innings to win. They

1944
01:43:16,267 --> 01:43:19,867
Speaker 2: certainly did not look like favorites when they started their rulings,

1945
01:43:19,907 --> 01:43:21,907
Speaker 2: given the low scoring of the chest up to that point,

1946
01:43:21,947 --> 01:43:24,947
Speaker 2: but that was when Aiden Markram stepped up and put

1947
01:43:24,987 --> 01:43:30,787
Speaker 2: his name in the spotlight with a magnificent century, clicked.

1948
01:43:30,587 --> 01:43:33,987
Speaker 31: Leg saved, clicked all the way to the boundary, a

1949
01:43:34,307 --> 01:43:38,827
Speaker 31: magical mark rom hundred, his eighth.

1950
01:43:38,827 --> 01:43:43,347
Speaker 2: In Tesma's cricket and if South Africa going to win

1951
01:43:43,467 --> 01:43:47,587
Speaker 2: this game, it will be his most important and he

1952
01:43:47,667 --> 01:43:50,627
Speaker 2: got them to the verge of victory before succumbing with

1953
01:43:50,947 --> 01:43:53,547
Speaker 2: just six runs needed to win one broad to come

1954
01:43:53,827 --> 01:43:55,507
Speaker 2: for Hazelwood's six required?

1955
01:44:01,307 --> 01:44:04,827
Speaker 32: Is that a really good tease of feeling enforced us exact,

1956
01:44:04,907 --> 01:44:08,147
Speaker 32: He's out, He's our My goodness.

1957
01:44:07,907 --> 01:44:10,187
Speaker 2: May it was so slow motion, so low key.

1958
01:44:11,147 --> 01:44:20,627
Speaker 32: Marcrom has out been beautifully taken, unbelievable and all the

1959
01:44:20,707 --> 01:44:23,627
Speaker 32: Australians to a man, have gone to him, all of them.

1960
01:44:24,827 --> 01:44:25,587
Speaker 2: That's a sad moment.

1961
01:44:25,627 --> 01:44:27,187
Speaker 31: He would have loved to have been there to knock

1962
01:44:27,227 --> 01:44:28,227
Speaker 31: off the final runs.

1963
01:44:28,267 --> 01:44:29,827
Speaker 2: But what an innings that can't.

1964
01:44:29,667 --> 01:44:31,667
Speaker 31: Take away from this one hundred and thirty six that

1965
01:44:31,747 --> 01:44:35,427
Speaker 31: he's achieved. And in a funny way, it's probably even

1966
01:44:35,507 --> 01:44:37,587
Speaker 31: more fitting because he's going to get more clause as

1967
01:44:37,587 --> 01:44:40,347
Speaker 31: he walks off the ground, and flause that he thoroughly deserves.

1968
01:44:41,227 --> 01:44:45,067
Speaker 31: Are fantastic inings by Aidan Markram. He has stood tall

1969
01:44:45,387 --> 01:44:48,427
Speaker 31: on the biggest stage and he's got his team onto

1970
01:44:48,467 --> 01:44:49,867
Speaker 31: the drink of something special.

1971
01:44:50,427 --> 01:44:53,987
Speaker 2: And the postmatch media conference, Aidan Markram was asked about

1972
01:44:54,027 --> 01:44:56,867
Speaker 2: how he felt to fall just before the finished line.

1973
01:44:57,147 --> 01:45:01,827
Speaker 33: Yeah, I wish I could have. Yeah, that's meeting me

1974
01:45:02,107 --> 01:45:05,867
Speaker 33: when I get out on Boy's English, Sir, I wish

1975
01:45:05,907 --> 01:45:08,587
Speaker 33: I could have. But at least looking at the building

1976
01:45:08,627 --> 01:45:11,987
Speaker 33: in front was pretty special and then naturally the World

1977
01:45:11,987 --> 01:45:13,667
Speaker 33: Cup was incredibly special.

1978
01:45:13,707 --> 01:45:15,667
Speaker 4: So at least as one or two memories from that.

1979
01:45:16,307 --> 01:45:19,187
Speaker 2: And the term chokers has been thrown around South African

1980
01:45:19,267 --> 01:45:22,427
Speaker 2: cricket for many, many years, even as recently as overnight

1981
01:45:22,467 --> 01:45:25,267
Speaker 2: when they needed just sixty nine runs with eight wickets

1982
01:45:25,307 --> 01:45:28,587
Speaker 2: in hand, would they choke again? Aiden Markram was asked

1983
01:45:28,587 --> 01:45:31,427
Speaker 2: about how it felt for him to help shed that

1984
01:45:31,707 --> 01:45:32,747
Speaker 2: tag of choking.

1985
01:45:33,787 --> 01:45:35,387
Speaker 4: It'll be great to not have to hear it again,

1986
01:45:35,467 --> 01:45:35,987
Speaker 4: that's for sure.

1987
01:45:38,707 --> 01:45:41,427
Speaker 33: In terms of it motivating you, I mean, there's always

1988
01:45:41,547 --> 01:45:43,987
Speaker 33: going to be external things that can motivate you, but

1989
01:45:44,107 --> 01:45:48,187
Speaker 33: it's not your sole purpose for playing. So to have

1990
01:45:48,307 --> 01:45:51,387
Speaker 33: got the job done and to literally have got the

1991
01:45:51,507 --> 01:45:53,987
Speaker 33: job done and to get rid of that is quite

1992
01:45:53,987 --> 01:45:55,227
Speaker 33: a big thing for this team, I feel.

1993
01:45:55,507 --> 01:45:59,507
Speaker 2: Captain of this protear side is timber Bavooma. He struggled

1994
01:45:59,547 --> 01:46:02,107
Speaker 2: with a hamstring injury throughout the match but fought on

1995
01:46:02,227 --> 01:46:05,667
Speaker 2: to score sixty six pretty crucial fourth innings runs to

1996
01:46:05,707 --> 01:46:07,827
Speaker 2: help get the protein years across the line. Ada Marc

1997
01:46:07,867 --> 01:46:09,827
Speaker 2: rom asked about the performance of his captain.

1998
01:46:10,707 --> 01:46:16,107
Speaker 33: Yeah, Berthy isnotually huge to see his amigo was obviously

1999
01:46:17,307 --> 01:46:18,987
Speaker 33: but not worrying.

2000
01:46:20,467 --> 01:46:20,987
Speaker 12: But then.

2001
01:46:22,427 --> 01:46:24,107
Speaker 33: Who got to tea I think it was And we

2002
01:46:24,227 --> 01:46:25,947
Speaker 33: chatted in the change room and he said he feels

2003
01:46:25,947 --> 01:46:29,707
Speaker 33: like he can still keep going, but he wanted to

2004
01:46:29,827 --> 01:46:32,507
Speaker 33: know from our side of the twos that are becoming

2005
01:46:32,547 --> 01:46:36,707
Speaker 33: ones with effactness. I said, there's no chance. It's about partnership,

2006
01:46:36,747 --> 01:46:41,027
Speaker 33: staying out there for long, getting the ball even softer,

2007
01:46:41,427 --> 01:46:43,227
Speaker 33: even older, because that's obviously when a bad him became

2008
01:46:43,227 --> 01:46:43,827
Speaker 33: a lot easier.

2009
01:46:44,627 --> 01:46:47,147
Speaker 4: And that's exactly what he did. And he's still actually

2010
01:46:47,227 --> 01:46:47,627
Speaker 4: managed to.

2011
01:46:47,667 --> 01:46:49,827
Speaker 33: Run twos and threes, So I think there was a

2012
01:46:49,867 --> 01:46:52,027
Speaker 33: lot of adrenaline there, but a lot of leadership and

2013
01:46:52,147 --> 01:46:56,827
Speaker 33: character that he showed. And again those maybe not the big,

2014
01:46:56,947 --> 01:46:59,187
Speaker 33: big numbers, but the ones that really make a difference

2015
01:46:59,227 --> 01:47:00,427
Speaker 33: in that was timber in this game for.

2016
01:47:00,507 --> 01:47:03,627
Speaker 2: Us, and this century was just a continuation of Ada

2017
01:47:03,707 --> 01:47:07,267
Speaker 2: Marcrum's very good record against Australia. It was this third

2018
01:47:07,787 --> 01:47:11,867
Speaker 2: century against them in just five Test matches as well

2019
01:47:12,107 --> 01:47:16,627
Speaker 2: as another fifty in Cape Town and twenty eighteen, he

2020
01:47:16,867 --> 01:47:21,067
Speaker 2: averages sixty one against Australia and was asked about his

2021
01:47:21,147 --> 01:47:23,147
Speaker 2: strong record against this opposition.

2022
01:47:24,387 --> 01:47:24,987
Speaker 4: No it's not.

2023
01:47:25,467 --> 01:47:29,067
Speaker 33: I'm not sure about figures, but yeah, I think the

2024
01:47:29,147 --> 01:47:31,747
Speaker 33: Australians and South Africans are pretty similar in the play

2025
01:47:31,827 --> 01:47:36,467
Speaker 33: the game in a similar way. Play the game hard,

2026
01:47:36,947 --> 01:47:38,907
Speaker 33: play the game to compete, play the game to really win.

2027
01:47:39,027 --> 01:47:42,387
Speaker 33: And I think it as well as for them, but

2028
01:47:42,827 --> 01:47:44,707
Speaker 33: very much so for us, brings out the best in US.

2029
01:47:44,787 --> 01:47:48,467
Speaker 33: So it's just a battle, it's just competition and two

2030
01:47:48,547 --> 01:47:50,707
Speaker 33: teams that really don't have any interest in losing. So

2031
01:47:50,787 --> 01:47:52,187
Speaker 33: I think it brings out the best in a lot

2032
01:47:52,227 --> 01:47:55,507
Speaker 33: of cricketers and not just myself, but quite a few

2033
01:47:55,547 --> 01:47:57,547
Speaker 33: of the players in a team in in out team.

2034
01:47:57,947 --> 01:48:00,787
Speaker 2: And finally from Aden Markram, what does test cricket mean

2035
01:48:00,867 --> 01:48:03,587
Speaker 2: to him? And how important is Test cricket as a

2036
01:48:03,667 --> 01:48:05,587
Speaker 2: format in the international game?

2037
01:48:06,387 --> 01:48:12,107
Speaker 33: Always been my most important and most favorite format. Naturally,

2038
01:48:12,187 --> 01:48:14,707
Speaker 33: playing fewer games is not really on us. It's just

2039
01:48:14,947 --> 01:48:17,427
Speaker 33: sort of the cards you get old. But it's really

2040
01:48:17,467 --> 01:48:20,347
Speaker 33: important in my opinion to keep test cricket as the

2041
01:48:20,467 --> 01:48:24,027
Speaker 33: number one in South Africa. So we understand all the

2042
01:48:24,107 --> 01:48:26,907
Speaker 33: dynamics that are happening in the cricket world and that's

2043
01:48:26,947 --> 01:48:29,947
Speaker 33: completely fair, but it's more about the young guy coming

2044
01:48:30,027 --> 01:48:33,307
Speaker 33: through that his main thing is to get a Test

2045
01:48:33,387 --> 01:48:35,227
Speaker 33: much bag and play Test much cricket for so Africa.

2046
01:48:35,307 --> 01:48:37,867
Speaker 33: That's if you can still do that, it's fine for

2047
01:48:39,147 --> 01:48:41,907
Speaker 33: however long they play for is a different conversation in

2048
01:48:42,147 --> 01:48:43,347
Speaker 33: the world of cricket nowadays.

2049
01:48:43,387 --> 01:48:45,467
Speaker 6: But the number one.

2050
01:48:45,427 --> 01:48:47,427
Speaker 33: Priority should always be to play test cricket and I've

2051
01:48:47,427 --> 01:48:50,267
Speaker 33: always felt that, believe that and if you can get

2052
01:48:50,307 --> 01:48:53,187
Speaker 33: that back with the younger people coming through, I think

2053
01:48:53,427 --> 01:48:54,187
Speaker 33: we've done well.

2054
01:48:54,467 --> 01:48:57,787
Speaker 2: As for Australia well as defending champions. Before this Test,

2055
01:48:57,867 --> 01:49:01,227
Speaker 2: I hand over the trophy to South Africa. Australian captain

2056
01:49:01,587 --> 01:49:05,267
Speaker 2: Pat Cummins was asked about his team's emotions after the defeat.

2057
01:49:06,547 --> 01:49:07,867
Speaker 4: Obviously, you know, disappointment.

2058
01:49:08,067 --> 01:49:09,867
Speaker 34: He works so hard to get to the final and

2059
01:49:10,027 --> 01:49:12,947
Speaker 34: it's just yeah, you kind of just miss ou funy.

2060
01:49:13,027 --> 01:49:16,347
Speaker 34: So yeah, disappointment, but you know, I think overall everyone

2061
01:49:16,507 --> 01:49:18,667
Speaker 34: it's pretty pumped to be here to the final, make it.

2062
01:49:20,067 --> 01:49:21,627
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's always when you just missed that of.

2063
01:49:21,947 --> 01:49:24,587
Speaker 34: A huge opportunity by a little bit, leave you a

2064
01:49:24,627 --> 01:49:25,227
Speaker 34: little bit empty.

2065
01:49:25,507 --> 01:49:28,987
Speaker 2: A lot of conversation about how much the wicket changed,

2066
01:49:29,107 --> 01:49:33,227
Speaker 2: particularly from days to one and two into Day three.

2067
01:49:33,347 --> 01:49:34,947
Speaker 2: Pat comings asked about his thoughts on that.

2068
01:49:35,747 --> 01:49:36,707
Speaker 4: Yeah, pretty much that.

2069
01:49:37,827 --> 01:49:40,907
Speaker 34: You know, I think when there's cloud covers, you know,

2070
01:49:41,387 --> 01:49:42,747
Speaker 34: edi is real that the ball does a bit more,

2071
01:49:42,787 --> 01:49:43,867
Speaker 34: it zips around a bit more.

2072
01:49:45,187 --> 01:49:46,067
Speaker 4: And I think England's one.

2073
01:49:45,987 --> 01:49:48,667
Speaker 34: Of those places where when it's triggered to that, it's

2074
01:49:48,667 --> 01:49:50,147
Speaker 34: one of the triggiest places in the world, but when

2075
01:49:50,147 --> 01:49:52,307
Speaker 34: it's flat, it's one of the fattest places in the world. So,

2076
01:49:53,507 --> 01:49:56,307
Speaker 34: you know, I thought they batted fantastically. They didn't really

2077
01:49:56,347 --> 01:49:59,667
Speaker 34: give us a chance. They you know, had a really

2078
01:49:59,707 --> 01:50:01,827
Speaker 34: tight defense and whenever we got a little bit why

2079
01:50:01,907 --> 01:50:04,627
Speaker 34: they scored. But yeah, it didn't feel like there was

2080
01:50:04,667 --> 01:50:06,587
Speaker 34: a heap in it for us, kind of in the

2081
01:50:06,627 --> 01:50:08,107
Speaker 34: second innings compared to the first innings.

2082
01:50:08,307 --> 01:50:11,107
Speaker 2: And even though this teaest is now just finished, it

2083
01:50:11,187 --> 01:50:13,987
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like there is a free start coming for

2084
01:50:14,067 --> 01:50:17,187
Speaker 2: the Australians with the new World Test Championship cycle.

2085
01:50:17,987 --> 01:50:19,267
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think in some ways you do.

2086
01:50:20,507 --> 01:50:22,307
Speaker 34: I don't particularly know why, but it does feel like

2087
01:50:22,347 --> 01:50:27,147
Speaker 34: a little bit of a fresh start, you know. Fast forward,

2088
01:50:27,667 --> 01:50:30,107
Speaker 34: you know, a couple of years you start maybe thinking

2089
01:50:30,107 --> 01:50:32,067
Speaker 34: about who's going to be hopefully we make the final,

2090
01:50:32,107 --> 01:50:33,347
Speaker 34: who's going to be in that and maybe do we

2091
01:50:33,387 --> 01:50:36,747
Speaker 34: want to get some games into them, you know, do

2092
01:50:36,867 --> 01:50:38,427
Speaker 34: we feel like now is the right time to change

2093
01:50:38,467 --> 01:50:39,787
Speaker 34: or do you hold you know, with the team that

2094
01:50:39,827 --> 01:50:40,547
Speaker 34: got us to the final.

2095
01:50:40,667 --> 01:50:44,187
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think we'll kind of got.

2096
01:50:44,107 --> 01:50:46,067
Speaker 34: A couple of weeks before the first less and the Windys,

2097
01:50:46,067 --> 01:50:47,987
Speaker 34: so I think we'll sit down and have a bit

2098
01:50:48,027 --> 01:50:51,387
Speaker 34: of a think and after we digest this game. But yeah,

2099
01:50:51,427 --> 01:50:56,427
Speaker 34: for me, I think a new WTSLE WTC cycle in

2100
01:50:56,507 --> 01:50:58,267
Speaker 34: some ways, I just feel like a bit of a reset.

2101
01:50:58,507 --> 01:51:00,907
Speaker 2: And finally from Pat Cummings, what has he made of

2102
01:51:00,987 --> 01:51:04,107
Speaker 2: timber Bovuma's performance and the journey that South Africa have

2103
01:51:04,227 --> 01:51:06,907
Speaker 2: taken to reach the top of tears cricket.

2104
01:51:07,067 --> 01:51:09,787
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, first of all, you know how he played. Yeah,

2105
01:51:09,787 --> 01:51:10,707
Speaker 4: I thought he was fantastic.

2106
01:51:10,867 --> 01:51:13,667
Speaker 34: Is I just gave that half a chance early and

2107
01:51:13,707 --> 01:51:16,147
Speaker 34: then you really give us another look until he got out.

2108
01:51:16,227 --> 01:51:18,347
Speaker 34: Had a big partnership, so I thought he played really well.

2109
01:51:19,267 --> 01:51:21,987
Speaker 34: In terms of leading, it's always pretty hard unless you're

2110
01:51:22,107 --> 01:51:24,547
Speaker 34: kind of playing underneath someone to judge them, I think, so,

2111
01:51:24,587 --> 01:51:26,787
Speaker 34: I don't know, but from the outside it look good.

2112
01:51:28,467 --> 01:51:30,347
Speaker 4: And yeah, in terms of you know, the way they

2113
01:51:30,427 --> 01:51:32,227
Speaker 4: made it, they made it fair and square.

2114
01:51:32,347 --> 01:51:35,907
Speaker 34: So you know, everyone has a slightly different route to

2115
01:51:36,187 --> 01:51:38,587
Speaker 34: make the final, but they absolutely deserve to make the

2116
01:51:38,627 --> 01:51:40,147
Speaker 34: final and showed why.

2117
01:51:40,227 --> 01:51:42,027
Speaker 4: You know, I think they're very deserving champions.

2118
01:51:43,627 --> 01:51:46,187
Speaker 2: That is the voice of Pat Cummins, Australian cricket kept

2119
01:51:46,267 --> 01:51:49,467
Speaker 2: and so World Chess Championship glory for South Africa. The

2120
01:51:49,547 --> 01:51:52,467
Speaker 2: scores in the final lords Australia two hundred and twelve

2121
01:51:52,667 --> 01:51:55,787
Speaker 2: all out and two hundred and seven all out. South

2122
01:51:55,827 --> 01:51:57,747
Speaker 2: Africa all out for one hundred and thirty eight in

2123
01:51:57,787 --> 01:52:00,267
Speaker 2: their first I think two hundred and eighty two for

2124
01:52:00,427 --> 01:52:04,427
Speaker 2: five and their seconds anchored by a terrific century from

2125
01:52:04,467 --> 01:52:07,147
Speaker 2: Aiden Mark from one hundred and thirty He was out

2126
01:52:07,187 --> 01:52:10,627
Speaker 2: with six runs required for victory. Timber Bavooma the captain

2127
01:52:11,027 --> 01:52:13,827
Speaker 2: with sixty six and South Africa getting to two hundred

2128
01:52:13,867 --> 01:52:16,547
Speaker 2: and eighty two for five and winning the World Test

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Speaker 2: Championship final by five wickets. Coming up twenty one away

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Speaker 2: from three. When we come back, we'll get your state side.

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01:52:23,627 --> 01:52:25,947
Speaker 2: Lots of American sport going on at the moment and

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Speaker 2: lots of storylines as well. Leon Busby, our American sports

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01:52:29,547 --> 01:52:30,987
Speaker 2: expert with us right after this.

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Speaker 1: The big issues on and after Field Call Oh eight

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Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty Weekends Forward with Jason.

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Speaker 12: Paine and GJ.

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Speaker 1: Gunnerhomes New Zealand's most trusted home builder, News.

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Speaker 2: Talks a baby eighteen away from three. Busy old time

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Speaker 2: in the United States as far as sport is concerned,

2140
01:52:49,667 --> 01:52:53,627
Speaker 2: with finals in both the NHL and NBA, plus lots

2141
01:52:53,667 --> 01:52:56,707
Speaker 2: of other storylines to chat about. Let's bring in our

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Speaker 2: American sport expert, Leon Busby. How you doing lyon.

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Speaker 35: Good afternoon, Jason. It's great to be back. Make it

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Speaker 35: the six some of our headlined American sports. But first

2145
01:53:07,187 --> 01:53:09,907
Speaker 35: and foremost, I'm just going to hold you right there.

2146
01:53:10,347 --> 01:53:13,667
Speaker 35: Congratulations on your continued success at the highest level. Now,

2147
01:53:13,747 --> 01:53:16,827
Speaker 35: your loyal listening audience have often heard you say that

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01:53:16,947 --> 01:53:19,747
Speaker 35: the Blacksbrin's Woman seven Steam are the standard of excellence

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01:53:19,787 --> 01:53:22,907
Speaker 35: in their field. Well, I'm more than justified to say one.

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Speaker 35: Jason Pine falls into that same narrative as the benchmark

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Speaker 35: here and his inner sports journalism. Well done, mate, on

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01:53:29,107 --> 01:53:31,987
Speaker 35: you deserved award once again. Hey, now that we've got

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01:53:31,987 --> 01:53:33,947
Speaker 35: the important stuff out of the way, let's get into today.

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01:53:34,587 --> 01:53:36,467
Speaker 2: I think we should have left that till lastly on

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Speaker 2: but thank you very much. It's greatly appreciated. Now we

2156
01:53:39,787 --> 01:53:42,707
Speaker 2: come to you as the NHL playoffs for the Stanley

2157
01:53:42,747 --> 01:53:46,027
Speaker 2: kupp are going on the Edmonton Oilers and the Florida Panthers.

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01:53:46,107 --> 01:53:49,427
Speaker 2: It was tied at two games apiece. Game five is

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Speaker 2: in its final stages in Edmonton. How's it looking?

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Speaker 35: Yeah, not looking too good for the home team at

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01:53:56,947 --> 01:53:59,027
Speaker 35: the moment. So the Oilers are down four to two

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01:53:59,347 --> 01:54:02,147
Speaker 35: as we speak. Now, in a way, it's sort of

2163
01:54:03,187 --> 01:54:05,587
Speaker 35: must have my notes of it, but I'll try and

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01:54:05,667 --> 01:54:08,907
Speaker 35: get there. Now, if there's one thing that separates these

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01:54:08,947 --> 01:54:11,707
Speaker 35: two teams, because over the series so far, three of

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01:54:11,787 --> 01:54:16,067
Speaker 35: the first four games were resulted resulting in overtime, so

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Speaker 35: their both teams are quite evenly matched. But there's one

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Speaker 35: real factor that separates these two teams. Now, what I

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01:54:26,067 --> 01:54:27,867
Speaker 35: want to talk about quickly and I'll explain this to

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Speaker 35: your audience. Finally, they may be unfamiliar with this term.

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Speaker 35: It's called a power play.

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Speaker 23: Now.

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01:54:32,387 --> 01:54:35,267
Speaker 35: Power player is a situation where one team is a

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Speaker 35: numerical advantage on the ice due to a penalty called

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01:54:38,467 --> 01:54:40,947
Speaker 35: against the opposing team. So when a players sense of

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01:54:40,987 --> 01:54:43,907
Speaker 35: the penalty box, usually for two or five minutes, depending

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Speaker 35: on the seriousness of the indiscretion. Their team plays shorthanded

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01:54:47,827 --> 01:54:50,827
Speaker 35: while their opposing team gets a power play, typically five

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Speaker 35: on four or even five on three if multiple penalties

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01:54:54,187 --> 01:54:56,187
Speaker 35: are called. So think of it as a yellow cat

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01:54:56,227 --> 01:54:58,787
Speaker 35: and rugby. The chances of the team with the packet

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01:54:58,827 --> 01:55:02,227
Speaker 35: a significant chance of scoring while the penaltized play or

2183
01:55:02,307 --> 01:55:04,187
Speaker 35: players are off the ice. So if we look at

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Speaker 35: the series again, Florida has done today on.

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Speaker 9: A couple of power plays.

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Speaker 35: Florida has a huge advantage in terms of the power play,

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Speaker 35: and it punished all as on u miss occasion. This

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Speaker 35: could be well be a key going back to back. However,

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Speaker 35: statistics aside, I feel that Edmonton are still with a

2190
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Speaker 35: very good chance to win it all as they have

2191
01:55:21,787 --> 01:55:24,467
Speaker 35: the best player in the game, Colin McDavid, and also

2192
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Speaker 35: showed real resilience in Game four, the last game, and

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Speaker 35: they became the first road team in the Stanley Cup

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Speaker 35: Final to come back from a three gold deficit since

2195
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Speaker 35: get this nineteen nineteen. I'm me one hundred and six

2196
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Speaker 35: years ago. So the series is looking luckily to go

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Speaker 35: to seven games as it did last year, But at

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Speaker 35: the moment, yeah not looking to good for Edmonton.

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Speaker 2: I'm afraid all right, we'll move to the NBA playoffs.

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Speaker 2: This has been rarely compelling. Staff Oklahoma City Thunder Indiana

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Speaker 2: Pacers ok See came back from eighty seven eighty down

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Speaker 2: at three quarters time to win Game four yesterday one eleven,

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01:56:00,147 --> 01:56:02,707
Speaker 2: one oh four in Indiana. So we're tied up at

2204
01:56:02,707 --> 01:56:04,827
Speaker 2: to a piece. We go back to Oklahoma City for

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Speaker 2: Game five on Tuesday. Can you pick which way this

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01:56:09,587 --> 01:56:10,627
Speaker 2: series is going to go?

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Speaker 14: Yeah?

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Speaker 35: So much like the Stanley Cup Finals, this series has

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Speaker 35: quite every balanced. There are two games all at the

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01:56:18,467 --> 01:56:21,667
Speaker 35: moment either side. I've never won the Larroer Broke Brian

2211
01:56:21,747 --> 01:56:24,907
Speaker 35: Trophy before, so this is new territory for them. So

2212
01:56:24,987 --> 01:56:27,587
Speaker 35: over the first four games, Pony okay See have averaged

2213
01:56:27,587 --> 01:56:30,587
Speaker 35: one hundred and thirteen points while Indiana one hundred and

2214
01:56:30,707 --> 01:56:34,267
Speaker 35: nine point five, only three point five points difference. In

2215
01:56:34,427 --> 01:56:37,387
Speaker 35: Game three, won by the Paces one sixteen one oh seven.

2216
01:56:38,067 --> 01:56:41,667
Speaker 35: Indiana's bench was a big factor here. Okay See's bench

2217
01:56:41,787 --> 01:56:45,267
Speaker 35: only scored a combined total eighteen points while the home

2218
01:56:45,347 --> 01:56:49,307
Speaker 35: team bench contributed forty nine, showing their superior depth outside

2219
01:56:49,347 --> 01:56:52,227
Speaker 35: of the standing five. That really was a telling difference

2220
01:56:52,267 --> 01:56:54,347
Speaker 35: in the end result. Now, if we wandered back to

2221
01:56:54,467 --> 01:56:59,107
Speaker 35: yesterday's pivotal Game four, the Paces, like you you alluded to, Pony,

2222
01:56:59,347 --> 01:57:00,907
Speaker 35: the Pace has led for most of the game and

2223
01:57:00,987 --> 01:57:04,427
Speaker 35: were up by seven at the end of the third quarter. Unfortunately,

2224
01:57:04,827 --> 01:57:07,307
Speaker 35: they only scored seventeen to or points in the fourth

2225
01:57:07,427 --> 01:57:10,067
Speaker 35: quarter and capitulate it down the streets, losing at home

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01:57:10,147 --> 01:57:12,667
Speaker 35: one four, one eleven. Now, I believe that if in

2227
01:57:12,747 --> 01:57:15,267
Speaker 35: the Enda had won that game yesterday, the chances of

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01:57:15,347 --> 01:57:17,507
Speaker 35: winning the series would have been almost hard to bid again,

2229
01:57:17,587 --> 01:57:20,067
Speaker 35: so I feel in a way, the passers blew their

2230
01:57:20,147 --> 01:57:23,867
Speaker 35: chances of taking a commanding and seemingly understandable leading the series.

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01:57:24,027 --> 01:57:25,947
Speaker 35: We'll look back on Game four and realized that this

2232
01:57:26,107 --> 01:57:28,787
Speaker 35: loss was defining, but we can also look at the

2233
01:57:28,867 --> 01:57:30,707
Speaker 35: remainder of the series and say it's now our best

2234
01:57:30,747 --> 01:57:33,747
Speaker 35: of three when it takes all. However, although I've got

2235
01:57:33,787 --> 01:57:35,787
Speaker 35: no skin in the series, and I know you use

2236
01:57:35,827 --> 01:57:39,347
Speaker 35: their term often, I'm leaning slightly towards Okase, who have

2237
01:57:39,547 --> 01:57:42,667
Speaker 35: home court advantage should it go to a deciding game seven,

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Speaker 35: Like you said, Piney, a compaigning series.

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Speaker 2: Nonetheless, Indeed, we know Americans love to watch their sport.

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Speaker 2: Do you have any ratings for the NHL or the

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01:57:52,667 --> 01:57:53,627
Speaker 2: NBA postseason?

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01:57:55,987 --> 01:57:56,147
Speaker 11: Ah?

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Speaker 35: Yeah, But first of all, I want to say that,

2244
01:58:00,227 --> 01:58:02,547
Speaker 35: as you know, Poney, I'm one who loves to extend

2245
01:58:02,587 --> 01:58:04,787
Speaker 35: you're at the positive. But there's something that I really

2246
01:58:04,867 --> 01:58:06,707
Speaker 35: need to address in terms of this and to real

2247
01:58:06,787 --> 01:58:09,467
Speaker 35: concent and I'll quickly cover this. So have you managed

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01:58:09,467 --> 01:58:11,267
Speaker 35: to catch any of the NBA or NHL games the

2249
01:58:11,267 --> 01:58:12,067
Speaker 35: past couple of weeks?

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Speaker 2: By the way, I've been watching the NBA ice hockey's

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01:58:14,587 --> 01:58:16,227
Speaker 2: not reading a sweet spot, but I've been watching a

2252
01:58:16,267 --> 01:58:16,907
Speaker 2: bit of the NBA.

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01:58:17,707 --> 01:58:20,027
Speaker 35: Yep, not fair enough. Well, then you're not alowing there,

2254
01:58:20,067 --> 01:58:23,547
Speaker 35: because in terms of TV ratings, the NHL Final and

2255
01:58:23,667 --> 01:58:25,947
Speaker 35: the US is averaging only two point four to two

2256
01:58:26,507 --> 01:58:29,947
Speaker 35: excuse excuse me viewers per night, down on wapping twenty

2257
01:58:29,987 --> 01:58:32,867
Speaker 35: eight percent from last year. Now in Canada, though, the

2258
01:58:33,027 --> 01:58:35,787
Speaker 35: numbers are much more respectable at four point two million,

2259
01:58:35,867 --> 01:58:40,227
Speaker 35: mainly because many Canadians are backing the Edmonton Orders, jumping

2260
01:58:40,267 --> 01:58:42,827
Speaker 35: on their band wag and to finally break, hopefully break

2261
01:58:42,907 --> 01:58:44,707
Speaker 35: their thirty two years who do for a team north

2262
01:58:44,747 --> 01:58:48,507
Speaker 35: of the border, to finally lift the coveted Stanley Cup. Now, worryingly,

2263
01:58:48,667 --> 01:58:52,187
Speaker 35: the NBA final numbers are also tanking, mainly due to

2264
01:58:52,267 --> 01:58:56,547
Speaker 35: a combination of small markets with both OKC and Indiana.

2265
01:58:58,027 --> 01:59:00,227
Speaker 35: Then in that mix you mixed up with two teams

2266
01:59:00,267 --> 01:59:03,587
Speaker 35: that are relatively anonymous. They have anonymous players most you

2267
01:59:03,667 --> 01:59:05,787
Speaker 35: followed the NBA wouldn't be able to name another player

2268
01:59:05,867 --> 01:59:10,347
Speaker 35: from both outside of oksee MVP SHI Guildris Alexander and

2269
01:59:10,507 --> 01:59:14,467
Speaker 35: Indiana star Tyre Telliburton. Earlier this week, the NBA commissioner

2270
01:59:14,547 --> 01:59:17,627
Speaker 35: tried his best to downplay the poor TV ratings, but

2271
01:59:17,787 --> 01:59:20,987
Speaker 35: with only two percent watching the actual final series, it's

2272
01:59:21,067 --> 01:59:25,387
Speaker 35: no wonder that NBA HU have legitimate concerns. Player salaries

2273
01:59:25,387 --> 01:59:28,987
Speaker 35: are growing to the roof, but unfortunately this doesn't translate

2274
01:59:29,027 --> 01:59:33,187
Speaker 35: with TV audience numbers. Now, the overriding problem seems almost contagious,

2275
01:59:33,507 --> 01:59:36,707
Speaker 35: and that the NBA, NHL and other sports leagues are

2276
01:59:36,747 --> 01:59:40,747
Speaker 35: facing said challenges despite competitive games for most part, and

2277
01:59:40,867 --> 01:59:44,107
Speaker 35: that viewing habits and how we consume live sports have

2278
01:59:44,307 --> 01:59:47,667
Speaker 35: changed over the last decades because of rapid advancements and

2279
01:59:47,747 --> 01:59:50,947
Speaker 35: digital technology. This is a global challenge, Plinium, There's no

2280
01:59:51,067 --> 01:59:53,827
Speaker 35: easy fix. Those in control need to evolve with the

2281
01:59:53,947 --> 01:59:57,067
Speaker 35: times and must address this challenge much more sooner than later.

2282
01:59:58,307 --> 02:00:01,907
Speaker 2: Just while we're on the NBA, it's trade season. I

2283
02:00:01,987 --> 02:00:03,867
Speaker 2: guess you can call it a lot of NBA trade

2284
02:00:03,907 --> 02:00:05,747
Speaker 2: talk at the moment. What are the big storylines for you?

2285
02:00:07,347 --> 02:00:09,227
Speaker 35: Yes, so two of the biggest names in the league,

2286
02:00:09,347 --> 02:00:13,267
Speaker 35: former MVP and two time champion Kevin Durant and two

2287
02:00:13,387 --> 02:00:17,427
Speaker 35: time MVP and former champion Jonas and Atacompo, both future

2288
02:00:17,467 --> 02:00:20,227
Speaker 35: Hall of famers. Both players are elite and would command

2289
02:00:20,307 --> 02:00:22,867
Speaker 35: top dollar from many franchise to move now. There's a

2290
02:00:22,947 --> 02:00:25,547
Speaker 35: lot of speculation at this point about where both players

2291
02:00:25,627 --> 02:00:28,387
Speaker 35: may land, with the LA Clippers now throwing their hat

2292
02:00:28,427 --> 02:00:30,747
Speaker 35: in the ring for Kd's services as well as a

2293
02:00:30,787 --> 02:00:35,147
Speaker 35: blockbuster trade that could involve future NBA draft picks. As

2294
02:00:35,227 --> 02:00:38,307
Speaker 35: for Giannis, again, a lot of rumors in speculation, but

2295
02:00:38,427 --> 02:00:40,747
Speaker 35: the bidding money is on him staying in Milwaukee, as

2296
02:00:40,787 --> 02:00:43,667
Speaker 35: he has not yet requested a trade. It's well known

2297
02:00:43,747 --> 02:00:46,507
Speaker 35: that he longs for another ring after his success in

2298
02:00:46,587 --> 02:00:49,387
Speaker 35: twenty twenty one, but it seems more likely that the

2299
02:00:49,467 --> 02:00:52,187
Speaker 35: Greek Freak will stay a Buck for now at least.

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Speaker 9: Also, just to.

2301
02:00:53,427 --> 02:00:55,627
Speaker 35: Quick side note Piney and break the news from Earlier

2302
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Speaker 35: this morning, eleven year NBA veteran Stephen Adams an inked

2303
02:01:00,267 --> 02:01:03,347
Speaker 35: new three year extension worth the report of sixty six

2304
02:01:03,467 --> 02:01:07,027
Speaker 35: million New Zealand dollars fully guaranteed through twenty twenty eight,

2305
02:01:07,067 --> 02:01:10,067
Speaker 35: to stay with the Houston Rockets. He turned thirty two

2306
02:01:10,147 --> 02:01:13,427
Speaker 35: next month and was stated to become an unrestricted free agent.

2307
02:01:13,787 --> 02:01:15,867
Speaker 35: The big key we expressed a desire to stay with

2308
02:01:15,987 --> 02:01:19,347
Speaker 35: the franchise, who had a very successful overall season, finishing

2309
02:01:19,427 --> 02:01:22,507
Speaker 35: second in the West. He was a significant priority for

2310
02:01:22,627 --> 02:01:25,867
Speaker 35: the Rockets after playing a key rotation and leadership rold

2311
02:01:25,907 --> 02:01:29,507
Speaker 35: this season in Houston's first playoff run since twenty twenty.

2312
02:01:30,027 --> 02:01:31,347
Speaker 16: The team roster is quite.

2313
02:01:31,227 --> 02:01:33,347
Speaker 35: Young, with good depth, and there's a lot of expectation

2314
02:01:33,827 --> 02:01:36,387
Speaker 35: that the Rockets will be a genuine contender in a

2315
02:01:36,507 --> 02:01:38,467
Speaker 35: top heavy Western conference for years to come.

2316
02:01:39,587 --> 02:01:43,827
Speaker 2: Great to see Steven Adams secure his immediate future. And

2317
02:01:43,907 --> 02:01:46,627
Speaker 2: the biggest name in the women's game, Caitlyn Clark. Now

2318
02:01:46,707 --> 02:01:48,827
Speaker 2: she's been out with a quot injury for the last

2319
02:01:48,867 --> 02:01:52,067
Speaker 2: five games. She's back with a vengeance. By the looks

2320
02:01:52,107 --> 02:01:53,787
Speaker 2: of things, Leon Oh for.

2321
02:01:53,867 --> 02:01:57,547
Speaker 35: Sure earlier today. She's now known as the faith of

2322
02:01:57,587 --> 02:02:01,307
Speaker 35: the NBA. Superstar Caitlin Clark made her highly anticipated return

2323
02:02:01,747 --> 02:02:04,827
Speaker 35: for the Indiana Fever against the reigning champion New York Liberty.

2324
02:02:05,347 --> 02:02:08,587
Speaker 35: She showed a little russ in an impressive all round performance,

2325
02:02:08,667 --> 02:02:12,987
Speaker 35: recording thirty two points, eight rebounds, and nine assists. After

2326
02:02:13,067 --> 02:02:16,307
Speaker 35: suffering a quad strain injury on May twenty four, Clark

2327
02:02:16,387 --> 02:02:18,827
Speaker 35: missed five games, and the Fever clearly struggled to a

2328
02:02:18,867 --> 02:02:22,267
Speaker 35: two and three record during her absence. The twenty twenty

2329
02:02:22,307 --> 02:02:25,307
Speaker 35: four WNBA Rookie of the Year was clearly unimpeded by

2330
02:02:25,347 --> 02:02:27,867
Speaker 35: her recent injury today and was a catalyst in a

2331
02:02:27,947 --> 02:02:32,747
Speaker 35: fourteen point statement win over the previously unbeaten Liberty. Clark

2332
02:02:32,867 --> 02:02:36,027
Speaker 35: is vitally important to Indiana's chances this year that they

2333
02:02:36,067 --> 02:02:38,307
Speaker 35: hope to be a genuine can tend to come to playoffs,

2334
02:02:38,747 --> 02:02:41,427
Speaker 35: but even more so for the league, as we know

2335
02:02:41,587 --> 02:02:44,067
Speaker 35: she's the place and the start of the league financially

2336
02:02:44,187 --> 02:02:44,827
Speaker 35: moving forward.

2337
02:02:45,707 --> 02:02:47,627
Speaker 2: They'll be very very pleased to have her back. Got

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Speaker 2: to leave it there lyon, but I can tell you

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Speaker 2: that the Florida Panthers of one game five in the

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Speaker 2: Stanley Cup by five goals to two. They've moved within

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Speaker 2: one game of winning the Stanley Cup Leon Busby state

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Speaker 2: side with us here on News talks 'b and Weekend

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Speaker 2: Sport eight to.

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Speaker 36: Three, analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting

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Speaker 36: world Weekends for It with Jason five Call eighty US

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Speaker 36: Talks Envy.

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Speaker 2: Five to three. Thanks for joining us on Weekend Sport.

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Speaker 2: The show's come to an end for another day and

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Speaker 2: another Weekken. We really appreciate you taking the time to

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Speaker 2: tune in and to interact with us if that's what

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Speaker 2: you decided to do. That's of thanks to Andy McDonald

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Speaker 2: for producing the show as always. Thanks mate, have an

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Speaker 2: excellent couple of hours of rest and relaxation this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: We're back for Sports Talk tomorrow night between seven and

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Speaker 2: eight as we wrap the sporting weekend to beverage on

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Speaker 2: the radio after three o'clock with the weekend collective song

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Speaker 2: to take us Out today, Courtney Cox turns sixty today,

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Speaker 2: best known of course for playing the role of Monica

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Speaker 2: in Friends. Happy Birthday, Courtney Cox. He's the Friends theme

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Speaker 2: taking us out, said Hmorry Night.

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Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live

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Speaker 1: to News Talks it be weekends from midday or follow

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Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio,