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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine

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Speaker 1: from News Talks EDB, counting down to the second Letterslow

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Speaker 1: Comp Test Live from sky Stadium, Wellington. It's Weekend Sport

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Speaker 1: with Jason Vine on your home of Sport News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're to good afternoon and welcome into the Saturday

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Speaker 2: edition of Weekend Sport on News Talks dB. September twenty

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Speaker 2: eight Test Match Saturday, All Blacks via Australia at a

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Speaker 2: sold out sky Stadium tonight from seven. I'm Jason Pineshow

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Speaker 2: producer Anna McDonald. We're here until three and as you

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Speaker 2: just heard, the showers come into your live today from

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Speaker 2: the match venue. I'm sitting in the commentary box that

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Speaker 2: Elliot Smith and Ross Bond will be in and around

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Speaker 2: what seven hours from now, looking out on an impeccably

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Speaker 2: manicured playing surface where in about seven hours the All

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Speaker 2: Blacks and Wallabies will do battle for the one hundred

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Speaker 2: and seventy ninth time in Test matches. Certainly hasn't been

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Speaker 2: the happiest of hunting ground here in Wellington for the

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Speaker 2: All Blacks in recent times. No wins in fact, in

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Speaker 2: their last five Test matches here seems hard to believe,

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Speaker 2: doesn't it. The last victory was against France in twenty

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Speaker 2: eighteen and France were down to fourteen men after about

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Speaker 2: twelve minutes in that game. That is the only when

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Speaker 2: the All Blacks in the last seven Test matches out

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Speaker 2: on this piece of grass here defeats to Argentina earlier

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Speaker 2: this year, Island in twenty twenty two, and South Africa

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Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen. Couple of drawers in there as well. Surely,

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Speaker 2: surely to goodness that poor ends, poor run ends tonight.

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Speaker 2: The rugby naturally plays a big part in our show today.

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Speaker 2: After one o'clock Wallaby's Rugby Royalty, John Eels joins us

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Speaker 2: to reminius a little bit, but also to give us

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Speaker 2: as views on the way forward for an Australian side

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Speaker 2: that really is a shadow of the team's John Eels

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Speaker 2: led to world domination in the nineteen nineties and into

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Speaker 2: the two thousands. First up today, though former All Blacks

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Speaker 2: first five Carlos Spencer is with us. Lots of talk

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Speaker 2: about the ten jersey this week, and rightly so, Boden

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Speaker 2: Barrett taking it over from Damien Mackenzie. As always your

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Speaker 2: thoughts on the game tonight are encourage sponsor with HERDM

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Speaker 2: Carlos the All Blacks team selection, your predictions for tonight?

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Speaker 2: Do you feel more or less optimistic after what you

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Speaker 2: saw last week? And will the All Blacks at some

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Speaker 2: point score a point after the hour mark? Let's hope

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Speaker 2: they do that tonight. Lines open all afternoon as per usual,

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Speaker 2: are the matters around today. It's the biggest day on

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Speaker 2: the Australian sporting calendar, the AFL Grand Final Australian rules football,

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Speaker 2: of course. The Sydney Swans and the Brisbane line set

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Speaker 2: to do battle at the iconic Melbourne Cricket Ground from

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Speaker 2: four point thirty this afternoon. New Zealand Time Eddie McGuire

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Speaker 2: with us after two o'clock. A man in a voice

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Speaker 2: synonymous with the game of AFL. He's going to have

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Speaker 2: a chat to us in preview the Grand Final. The

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Speaker 2: black Caps Goodness Me trails Sri Lanka by five hundred

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Speaker 2: and eighty runs early in their first innings after two

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Speaker 2: days of the second cricket Test at Gaul Srilankers six

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Speaker 2: hundred and two for five declared New Zealand twenty two

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Speaker 2: for two. It could hardly have gone any worse for

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Speaker 2: the black Caps on the first two days. Ronnie Here,

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Speaker 2: former Black Cap, with us after two on that the

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Speaker 2: Melbourne storm meantime into the NRL Grand Final, thrashing the

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Speaker 2: Roosters last night forty eight points to eighteen. In the

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Speaker 2: preliminary final at Amy Park. They'll face either the Panthers

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Speaker 2: or the Sharks. Those who played tonight in Penrith will

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Speaker 2: cover off Week three at the NRL Finals with Jake

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Speaker 2: Duke from Fox and Ossie correspondent Adam Peacock also from

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Speaker 2: across the Tasman. Just a word on the biggest sports

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Speaker 2: story these last thirty six hours. Confirmation yesterday morning that

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Speaker 2: Kiwi driver Liam Lawson will replace Daniel Ricardo at the

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Speaker 2: Racing Balls Formula One team. He'll race alongside Yuki Sonoda

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Speaker 2: for the rest of this season, which includes nine races

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Speaker 2: at six venues, six four Grand Prix and also three

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Speaker 2: Spring We're going to dig deeper into that story on

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Speaker 2: the show tomorrow. Don't worry motorsport fans, we haven't forgotten

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Speaker 2: about it. Just exceptionally brilliant news for Liam Lawson and

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Speaker 2: for Kiwi Motorsport Live Sport this afternoon Farrah Palmer Cup

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Speaker 2: Premiership semi finals. Counties in Canterbury have just kicked off

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Speaker 2: and poke a Kewie White cut off against Auckland from

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Speaker 2: two thirty five in Hamilton. We'll keep you updated on

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Speaker 2: those penultimate round of Bunnings NPC rugby action. They have

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Speaker 2: plenty can jump into second place for a while when

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Speaker 2: they meet Northland in Todonga from five past to this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Hawks Bay host Auckland and Napier at the same time.

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Speaker 2: Auckland desperately need a win to stay in quarter final contention.

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Speaker 2: Round seven Heartland Championship matches. To keep tabs on two

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Speaker 2: and it's opening weekend in football's National League for men

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Speaker 2: and women. Will keep eyes on today's opening matches as well.

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Speaker 2: Your calls and correspondence, though are the cornerstone of this

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Speaker 2: at newstalksb dot Co dot nzet coming up twelve past midday.

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Speaker 1: The School, from the track Fields and the Court on

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Speaker 1: your home of sport. Weekend Sport with Jason Vine News Talks.

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Speaker 2: To feed the scrum.

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Speaker 3: Penninara gets it in, Savia gets it out, catch it

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Speaker 3: over the touchline. The All Blacks hang on to win

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Speaker 3: the match. The All Blacks hang on to the Bleddersloe

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Speaker 3: three tries in the opening sixteen minutes and then got

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Speaker 3: the front of their life. The All Blacks thirty one

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Speaker 3: Australia twenty eight. The Bleedersloe stays in New Zealand for

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Speaker 3: another year.

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Speaker 2: But that was less than emphetic in the end, there

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Speaker 2: certainly was. That was a week ago in Sydney. Tonight

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Speaker 2: the two teams renew hostilities at Sky Stadium and Wellington

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Speaker 2: where the show is coming to you from today. Plenty

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Speaker 2: of chat when the team was announced on Thursday. Around

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Speaker 2: the first five position after starting the first seven Test

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Speaker 2: matches of the year, Damien McKenzie will come off the

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Speaker 2: bench tonight, with Bowden Barrett starting in the ten Jersey.

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Speaker 2: It'll be his first start at first five for the

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Speaker 2: All Blacks since he played there against Scotland on the

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Speaker 2: end of year tour in twenty twenty two. One of

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Speaker 2: our great running first fives was Carlos Spencer thirty five

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Speaker 2: Test matches between nineteen ninety five and two thousand and four,

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Speaker 2: scoring nearly three hundred points. He was particularly prominent in

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Speaker 2: the unbeaten Test year of nineteen ninety seven, during which

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Speaker 2: including both Bledislow Cup matches, when New Zealand won the

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Speaker 2: Carlos Spencer is with us carloson to start in general terms,

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Speaker 2: what have you made of Damien McKenzie's performances at first

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Like, I almost a little bit sorry from to

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Speaker 5: I've sort of always considered Damien as a bit of

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Speaker 5: I suppose he hasn't been able to give the direction that.

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Speaker 2: Do you think he is though a capable Test match

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Speaker 5: Personally? Know, I don't think he is. I think he's

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Speaker 5: well I like Damien McKenzie. I think he's a great player,

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Speaker 2: To be honest, what is it about his play that

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Speaker 5: Oh, I think he's just got a bit more time

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Speaker 5: you know, and I think he just can you know,

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Speaker 5: doesn't stop him from you know, jumping into fierce receiver

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Speaker 2: Do you think the fact that he's so adventurous, or

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Speaker 5: I think it is the case. And you know, the

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Speaker 5: me because I was probably one of those players myself,

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Speaker 5: you know. You know, so I do feel for Damien.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's a tough position, especially at just misched level,

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Speaker 5: and you know, and like I said earlier, yeah, you're

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Speaker 2: Any of your coaches, Carlos at provincial super or particularly

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Speaker 5: Yes and no. You know, obviously we had a game

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Speaker 5: they sort of understood the sort of player that I was,

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Speaker 2: How long did that take to get you know, to

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Speaker 2: did you feel as though you made your decisions pretty

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Speaker 7: That definitely took a while.

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Speaker 5: You know, it was never right from the start, you know,

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Speaker 5: and there was always a progress thing. I think, especially

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Speaker 5: you don't, and that's why, yeah, sort of right. And

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Speaker 5: the people around you as well. And I think that's

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Speaker 5: the same thing for Damien, you know, I think when

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Speaker 5: don't think they are.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 5: I was lucky coming through.

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Speaker 6: At my time.

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Speaker 5: You know, I had some good players around me, good

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Speaker 5: especially when times we're tough.

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Speaker 2: So are you talking about his teammates sort of in

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Speaker 2: about the coaching staff? Where do you think he needs

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Speaker 2: greater support?

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Speaker 5: I think it's probably a bit of both party to

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Speaker 5: It's on the field and having these directions and trying

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Speaker 2: Yeah, rightly. So always great chatting rugby with you, Carlos.

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Speaker 5: Call now all good pie chees mate, Thanks, thank you mate.

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Speaker 2: That's Carlos Spencer joining us with some really interesting thoughts

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Speaker 2: It was the major talking point when the team was

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Speaker 2: not so much that Japan Test, which is the next

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Speaker 2: Who plays first five? Then I eight one hundred and

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Speaker 2: Good Matt, how are you?

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Speaker 12: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Good?

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Speaker 12: Thanks? I don't know if I missed it or lot,

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Speaker 12: But did you ask him what he thinks about Baden Barrett?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I guess I was more relating the way Carlos used

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Speaker 2: it was more kind of a comparison, I guess with him.

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Speaker 12: The industry because I completely agree with it on McKenzie,

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Speaker 12: really test them out because if they didn't have the

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Speaker 12: And why are we not bringing players through?

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Speaker 13: What?

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Speaker 12: I don't understand what's going on? A fallback start every

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Speaker 2: No, and I love the Plumber call man. I would

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Speaker 2: More of your calls. There is one spear line there.

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Speaker 2: If you can't get a board first time, it's just

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Speaker 2: yes it's Plumber for me, Rob, So yeah, yeah, look

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Speaker 2: I got you there? Now?

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Speaker 2: Got you there?

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Speaker 12: How are you yeah good?

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Speaker 18: I'm like the last quarter common needs to be given

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Speaker 18: You know, there's all that conspiracy theory about the Pancas

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Speaker 2: five test matches. Most of those have been either in

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Speaker 2: an impact role or at fall back. He's only had

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Speaker 2: thirteen test matches at first five. But maybe the seven

437
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Speaker 2: test matches this year have been demonstration enough in Razors

438
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Speaker 2: system that he may not be the man to wear

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Speaker 2: the ten jersey. And that's okay, yeah.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, hey, And it might just be Razors system.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 18: This is also also tactics and things and who's calling

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Speaker 18: what and all. That's also I mean we don't know,

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Speaker 18: but as a team, I don't. I don't think the Hey,

445
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Speaker 18: they're not firing up for the fiftieth minute.

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Speaker 2: See what I want to happen tonight. What I want

447
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Speaker 2: to happen tonight is for DMAK to come off the

448
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Speaker 2: bench and tear it up and you know, and and

449
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Speaker 2: you know, either score or set up two or three tries.

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Speaker 2: That is true impact that we haven't had off the

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Speaker 2: bench in the last five or six games.

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Speaker 18: You know what will happen tonight will who's gone for bid?

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Speaker 18: But in to the fiftieth minute we'll score a.

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Speaker 2: Try keepers Russell, hope you're wrong, mate, but it's a jet.

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Speaker 2: Now you're gone. Let's because let's have a chat tomorrow

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Speaker 2: and we can we can perhaps discuss what does have

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Speaker 2: And thanks Russell, appreciate your call very much. Jason says Chris,

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Speaker 2: I can't help thinking if I was Damien's mum, I'd

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Speaker 2: be tempted to tell you to mind your own damn business. Chris.

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Speaker 2: You may be Damien's mum and it would probably be

461
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Speaker 2: a valid point. But I think it's also valid that

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Speaker 2: on a sports show we discuss players. It is not personal.

463
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Speaker 2: We're discussing players fitting into an all black system. Yeah, look,

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Speaker 2: I'm reasonably sure that that no mum would like to

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Speaker 2: hear her son's ability question. But yeah, this is a

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Speaker 2: sports show during which we discuss players and their various attributes.

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Speaker 2: But I do appreciate you taking the time to text through. Carlos,

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Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on dmac mate? Where should he

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Speaker 2: be playing? What jersey?

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Speaker 19: I think they've got it right at the moment. It

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Speaker 19: as in like playing fifteen. I'd like to see him

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Speaker 19: at fifteen. But having said that, I think now the

473
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Speaker 19: Carlos made a good point where Body started there and

474
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Speaker 19: very similar lines. They have very similar players, and Body

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Speaker 19: had a forward pack in front of him, which came

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Speaker 19: a little bit more time before he took over that jersey,

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Speaker 19: so to speak, and felt comfortable in that position. I'd

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Speaker 19: like to see. I know Carlos thinks he's not at

479
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Speaker 19: first fire, but I'd actually like to see.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. At the moment, I would keep him.

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Speaker 19: At fifteen because those two will feed off each other

482
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Speaker 19: really well, and I think that'll be that'll be great.

483
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Speaker 19: But I think at the end of the day, I

484
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Speaker 19: think if we had we get a bit of parrots

485
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Speaker 19: who were more than parody out front, and give him

486
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Speaker 19: a little bit more time he could grow into that position.

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Speaker 19: And I'd like to see him, you know, see that happen.

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Speaker 20: That's all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh, look and look as Carlos the other

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Speaker 2: Carloss said, you know, any first five is going to

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Speaker 2: look better behind a forward pack that is dominating, and

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Speaker 2: I think I think Bond and Better also had the

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Speaker 2: benefit of having Daniel Carter alongside him for the first

494
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Speaker 2: three years of his time in the All Blacks. He

495
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Speaker 2: became a magnificent impact player. And then once Dan Carter

496
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Speaker 2: had gone, there was a battle between Body and Aaron

497
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Speaker 2: Crudin after that. But I you know, Body quickly established

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Speaker 2: himself during the sort of back end of the last

499
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Speaker 2: decade as the man and the ten jumper, but he

500
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Speaker 2: was allowed time to grow into it. Having said that,

501
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Speaker 2: Damien McKenzie's All Blacks debut was twenty sixteen, so he's

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Speaker 2: been around the environment for a while.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, great point too when you're bringing up with Daniel Carter.

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Speaker 4: And the great thing about that is the feedback that

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Speaker 4: is given to Boty Body could do that for Damien too,

506
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Speaker 4: you know, that could be another feed on there as well.

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Speaker 7: Anyway.

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Speaker 4: I just I mean, the guy is a really talented player,

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Speaker 4: and you'll do very well.

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Speaker 20: I don't think.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, Carlos, I agree. I totally agree. I've always liked

512
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Speaker 2: the way Damian McKenzie goes about things, and for the Chiefs,

513
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Speaker 2: I think he's just been terrific for quite some time now,

514
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Speaker 2: and we all want to see that at All Blacks level.

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Speaker 2: It's just what is the best use of Damien McKenzie.

516
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Speaker 2: I would always have him in my twenty three always,

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Speaker 2: you know, And look I didn't. I'm willing to give

518
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Speaker 2: anybody a chance to impress in their preferred position, and

519
00:26:11,067 --> 00:26:14,827
Speaker 2: Damien McKenzie's preferred position is clearly first five. But of

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Speaker 2: his best use for the All Blacks's fullback or coming

521
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Speaker 2: off the bench, then so be it. But I would

522
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Speaker 2: have him. I would have him in my twenty three

523
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Speaker 2: every single day of the week. And sometimes you look

524
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Speaker 2: at him and you look at his unorthodox you know, no,

525
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Speaker 2: unorthodox is the wrong word. His ability to come on

526
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Speaker 2: and create things, often against tired defenders, and the thing

527
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Speaker 2: that we've been missing the most in the last five

528
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Speaker 2: or six matches is impact in that regard. So that's

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Speaker 2: what I want to see from him tonight. I want

530
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Speaker 2: to see him come off the bench and do what

531
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Speaker 2: he does best, cause havoc and broken play, beat tired defenders,

532
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Speaker 2: set up as outsides, or go himself. I don't think

533
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Speaker 2: anybody is saying that Damien McKenzie's time and the All

534
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Speaker 2: Blacks jersey is done. Far from it. But what is

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Speaker 2: his best use in the All Blacks environment? Jeff, how

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Speaker 2: are you?

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Speaker 21: Yeah?

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Speaker 16: I'm very good.

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Speaker 7: Thank you.

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Speaker 21: Some some of the comments I've got Kenzie as actually

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Speaker 21: quite disgusted me. I think I think Damien mckenzick is

542
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Speaker 21: I'm very fast for he's a little flyer and he's

543
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Speaker 21: been in the Old Black for a long time and

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Speaker 21: I think I think he sort of why it was

545
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Speaker 21: put over that he was sort of blamed for the

546
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Speaker 21: lap of the game. It seems to me that Australia

547
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Speaker 21: in the end they wore people off the bench and

548
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Speaker 21: bought back in that final with a force. And I'll

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Speaker 21: tell you what I think, as there been another five

550
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Speaker 21: minutes in that game, I think Australia would have sworn

551
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Speaker 21: and beaten the Old Blacks. Now it seems to me

552
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Speaker 21: that they wore black, seemed to run out of pump.

553
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Speaker 21: They looked tired at the end, up for sixteen minutes,

554
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Speaker 21: they looked very tired.

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Speaker 7: They looked as.

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Speaker 21: Though that were not very hardly make. But ring Damien

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Speaker 21: McKenzie off the bench and said we can drive Corse

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Speaker 21: onto the final part of this game.

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Speaker 2: Jeff yep, Jeff, I totally agree. I totally agree, and

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Speaker 2: I'm pleased to see him there because they didn't have

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Speaker 2: to pick him once they decided he wasn't going to

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Speaker 2: play first five. They didn't have to pick him in

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Speaker 2: the reserves. You know, they could have gone a couple

564
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Speaker 2: of different ways in there. They could have picked the

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Speaker 2: likes of Harry Plummer, given him another run off the

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Speaker 2: bench as a specialist first five, although he also plays

567
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Speaker 2: a bit of second five as well and can kick goals.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad Damien McKenzie is there. You know, if you're

569
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Speaker 2: wanting impact, and that's what they're calling the bench these days,

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Speaker 2: the impact segments of the team, then the players who

571
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Speaker 2: do come off the bench have to be game changes. Yes,

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Speaker 2: sometimes they're also players who can come on and tighten

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Speaker 2: things up for you. And that's why the discussion around

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Speaker 2: half back so fascinating to me, especially at the moment

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Speaker 2: with t J. Petanatta and Cortez Latimer, I think once

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Speaker 2: cam roy Gart's fit, then he's basically your nine in

577
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Speaker 2: the same fashion that Aaron Smith was for so long.

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00:29:23,107 --> 00:29:25,067
Speaker 2: He's your starter and then you decide what you do

579
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Speaker 2: off the bench. But you know Ras is tinkered with

580
00:29:27,867 --> 00:29:31,067
Speaker 2: TJ and Cortez a lot. Both have started, both have

581
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Speaker 2: come off the bench tonight. It's DJ who starts and

582
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Speaker 2: Cortez who adds the impact. You have to work out

583
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Speaker 2: what you want from those guys in Jerseys sixteen through

584
00:29:40,067 --> 00:29:43,947
Speaker 2: twenty three and maybe for the next little while. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Damien Mackenzie's part to play in this team is in

586
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Speaker 2: the twenty three jumper and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

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00:29:50,947 --> 00:29:53,867
Speaker 2: It's a twenty three man game and he may add

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Speaker 2: more value in that jumper than he does in the

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Speaker 2: ten twelve thirty nine News talk to here b we'll

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Speaker 2: get another breakaway. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 2: we're back of more your calls right after this on

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Speaker 2: Weekend Sport.

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Speaker 1: Which is ready are you lave? From Wellington sky Stadium

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Speaker 1: ahead of All Blacks v.

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Speaker 2: I wish Harry Plumber could get a start. I've rated

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Speaker 2: him for years, says Murray. Great utility player if necessary too,

602
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Speaker 2: great kicker, fast and strong. Give him a start, I say, Murray,

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Speaker 2: you might get your wish against Japan. It may well

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Speaker 2: be that they go with Plumber against Japan. That's the

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Speaker 2: next Test match after this one. Just excuse the noise

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Speaker 2: in the background, they're just practicing the national anthems here

607
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Speaker 2: at sky Stadium. That My big curiosity is who starts

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Speaker 2: the Test match after that? Who is handed the first

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Speaker 2: five jersey And the first Test match of the real

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Speaker 2: Northern Tour, which is against England at Twickenham on the

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Speaker 2: third of November. That will be extremely instructive. Paul, thanks

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Speaker 2: for calling. How are you?

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Speaker 11: You could thank you?

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Speaker 20: Ponier.

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Speaker 11: I agree with you. I agree with you from a

616
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Speaker 11: point of view. I wouldn't have an all black side

617
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Speaker 11: without uh, you know, Damien in there. But for me,

618
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Speaker 11: I also agree with the fact that the number twenty three,

619
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Speaker 11: but he's soon the dynamic and he's probably the most

620
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Speaker 11: impact player coming off the bench, and he also covers,

621
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Speaker 11: you know, those back line roles, so he is a

622
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Speaker 11: frontman for utility and he's most as I say, he's

623
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Speaker 11: the most impact play when he comes on. But I also, yeah,

624
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Speaker 11: I agree with Carlos Spencer. But however, you know, if

625
00:31:44,147 --> 00:31:47,787
Speaker 11: they did have to scrumb up and you know, you know,

626
00:31:48,267 --> 00:31:53,507
Speaker 11: playing to these strengths and like Carlos Spency and others

627
00:31:53,547 --> 00:31:56,787
Speaker 11: have played in the past where their number teens haven't

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Speaker 11: been given their time, I still think there's that role

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Speaker 11: for Damien that number team still exists. But right now,

630
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Speaker 11: you know, he's still tinkering with their Ford pack and

631
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Speaker 11: there's no continuity the or strengths for a number ten

632
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Speaker 11: to be given at US. Doman mckinna, you know, the

633
00:32:17,147 --> 00:32:21,947
Speaker 11: one coming on probably has that experience. But yeah, what

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Speaker 11: do you think?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I I'm just trying to reconcile it all

636
00:32:26,147 --> 00:32:28,787
Speaker 2: of my own headed paulers as to who plays, where

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Speaker 2: as to whether what we see tonight Boden at ten,

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Speaker 2: Damian McKenzie in the twenty three jumper is what we're

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Speaker 2: going to see moving forward for the big Test matches

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Speaker 2: at the back end of the year, and I get

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Speaker 2: the feeling that we might. I get the feeling that

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00:32:42,507 --> 00:32:44,667
Speaker 2: for those Test matches at the back end of this year,

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Speaker 2: which are tough Man England, Ireland, France and three consecutive weekends,

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Speaker 2: that's like, as I said last week, that's like playing

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Speaker 2: a that's like playing a World Cup quarter or a

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Speaker 2: semi in a final three big Test matches. So will

647
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Speaker 2: they go with the same first five for all three?

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Speaker 2: I think they probably will. But who will it be?

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Speaker 2: I think it'll be Boden, That's my view. And I,

650
00:33:10,347 --> 00:33:13,147
Speaker 2: as I said before, I really like the idea of

651
00:33:13,267 --> 00:33:16,107
Speaker 2: Damien McKenzie's skill set coming off the All Blacks bench.

652
00:33:16,747 --> 00:33:19,347
Speaker 2: It just feels like a good fit. The stuff he

653
00:33:19,387 --> 00:33:21,667
Speaker 2: can do, the stuff we know he can do, the

654
00:33:21,667 --> 00:33:24,027
Speaker 2: stuff he's done in a Chief Jersey so often and

655
00:33:24,467 --> 00:33:28,227
Speaker 2: on occasion to it in all Blacks jersey. I just

656
00:33:28,747 --> 00:33:31,627
Speaker 2: we can't lose that. It's what is the best use

657
00:33:31,667 --> 00:33:34,467
Speaker 2: of it. Good to chat, Paul, Thanks for calling through, mate.

658
00:33:34,587 --> 00:33:35,387
Speaker 2: Hello Phil.

659
00:33:37,387 --> 00:33:39,227
Speaker 7: Hone, how are you?

660
00:33:39,787 --> 00:33:41,227
Speaker 2: I'm good? Thank you? Phil? How are you mate?

661
00:33:41,987 --> 00:33:42,187
Speaker 13: Yeah?

662
00:33:42,187 --> 00:33:42,587
Speaker 22: I good?

663
00:33:42,627 --> 00:33:46,467
Speaker 7: Thinking how are you right now at the all beacks? I

664
00:33:46,507 --> 00:33:50,307
Speaker 7: think you know, to be honest to us, see, I

665
00:33:50,307 --> 00:33:54,267
Speaker 7: don't think they cut the right you know bason for

666
00:33:54,427 --> 00:33:58,667
Speaker 7: the first wife at the moment, someone who can control

667
00:33:58,707 --> 00:34:04,627
Speaker 7: the king and someone who knows exactly the direction of

668
00:34:04,667 --> 00:34:08,507
Speaker 7: the caing, you know, the way Daniel Cutter used to

669
00:34:08,507 --> 00:34:11,027
Speaker 7: play a fish wife. I think that sort of a

670
00:34:11,107 --> 00:34:15,547
Speaker 7: player that we need someone like that to run the

671
00:34:15,787 --> 00:34:16,907
Speaker 7: theorbat first five.

672
00:34:17,307 --> 00:34:19,667
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well I'm sure we'd all love Yeah, we'd love

673
00:34:19,707 --> 00:34:22,347
Speaker 2: another Daniel Carter. Yeah, it's a high Barder wasn't it

674
00:34:22,427 --> 00:34:26,627
Speaker 2: was such an exceptional player. So yeah, what about Richie Wonger.

675
00:34:26,747 --> 00:34:28,587
Speaker 2: Let's say he was available? What do you have him

676
00:34:28,587 --> 00:34:28,827
Speaker 2: in there?

677
00:34:29,747 --> 00:34:33,387
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I'm having that. Yeah, I'd having He's much

678
00:34:33,387 --> 00:34:36,787
Speaker 7: better than these two first wives. I think he cut

679
00:34:36,907 --> 00:34:40,787
Speaker 7: the Yeah, I mean he cut the direction of the

680
00:34:41,187 --> 00:34:44,307
Speaker 7: of the team that just like Daniel Cutter used to do.

681
00:34:44,947 --> 00:34:49,187
Speaker 7: But can see I think it's a little bit sort

682
00:34:49,187 --> 00:34:52,907
Speaker 7: of a super you know, first wife or that sort

683
00:34:52,947 --> 00:34:56,347
Speaker 7: of start is playing is like playing seven a side rugby,

684
00:34:56,987 --> 00:34:59,427
Speaker 7: not the way it's the fifteen. Yeah, to be honest,

685
00:34:59,427 --> 00:35:00,587
Speaker 7: we'll see that's my points.

686
00:35:00,587 --> 00:35:03,587
Speaker 2: But that's me no, Phil, that's what it's all about.

687
00:35:03,707 --> 00:35:06,227
Speaker 2: I'm glad you've called it through. Look and you're a

688
00:35:06,347 --> 00:35:07,907
Speaker 2: and you will be shared by a lot of people.

689
00:35:08,707 --> 00:35:11,187
Speaker 2: I mean, we were spoiled with Daniel Carter, won't we.

690
00:35:11,187 --> 00:35:16,107
Speaker 2: We were spoiled with his exceptional rugby brain, his range

691
00:35:16,107 --> 00:35:19,267
Speaker 2: of skills. You know, Boden Barrett though I think it

692
00:35:19,347 --> 00:35:22,547
Speaker 2: is in his prime and that might still be now

693
00:35:22,987 --> 00:35:25,147
Speaker 2: on occasion too. Look at the second Test against England

694
00:35:25,147 --> 00:35:27,147
Speaker 2: when he came off and basically changed the game for us.

695
00:35:27,187 --> 00:35:29,027
Speaker 2: But Boden Barrett and his prime was the best first

696
00:35:29,027 --> 00:35:32,187
Speaker 2: five in the world. So was Dan Carter. Everyone agreed

697
00:35:32,187 --> 00:35:34,987
Speaker 2: with that. We've had. I mean, we've had some incredible

698
00:35:34,987 --> 00:35:38,907
Speaker 2: first five at Carlos Spencer, Andrew Mertens, you know, Richie

699
00:35:38,947 --> 00:35:42,507
Speaker 2: mu Wonga rate him extremely highly, had a chance to

700
00:35:42,667 --> 00:35:45,227
Speaker 2: was at a lunch yesterday Grant Fox was speaking out

701
00:35:45,267 --> 00:35:48,627
Speaker 2: what a player he was back end of the eighties

702
00:35:48,907 --> 00:35:53,387
Speaker 2: into the nineties. We've been spoiled and I think because

703
00:35:53,427 --> 00:35:56,147
Speaker 2: of that, we always and because it's such an important position,

704
00:35:56,747 --> 00:35:59,947
Speaker 2: it is worth discussing. Discussing it is always a live

705
00:35:59,987 --> 00:36:01,787
Speaker 2: discussion and we get more calls on this sort of thing.

706
00:36:01,827 --> 00:36:04,147
Speaker 2: Than we get on a lot of things. Speaking of which,

707
00:36:04,267 --> 00:36:05,987
Speaker 2: let's get another breakaway back with more in a moment

708
00:36:06,027 --> 00:36:07,947
Speaker 2: twelve Away from One News talk.

709
00:36:11,507 --> 00:36:15,347
Speaker 1: From breaking Down the Hail Mary's and the Epic Fails,

710
00:36:16,787 --> 00:36:20,667
Speaker 1: Weekend Sports with Jason Pine, Newstalk DOZMB.

711
00:36:20,947 --> 00:36:22,827
Speaker 2: Night and a half to one Back to the Fines.

712
00:36:22,867 --> 00:36:24,027
Speaker 2: Could I cane.

713
00:36:25,187 --> 00:36:28,507
Speaker 20: O per mate? Yeah, I really hopefully everyone has enjoyed

714
00:36:28,627 --> 00:36:30,827
Speaker 20: the moment and the game to home. It should be

715
00:36:30,827 --> 00:36:35,947
Speaker 20: a good game looking forward to it. You know, described

716
00:36:35,987 --> 00:36:39,507
Speaker 20: them as being material and there was no one now

717
00:36:39,547 --> 00:36:41,867
Speaker 20: small material than the great King Carlos.

718
00:36:43,147 --> 00:36:45,707
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a player. I used to love watching Carlos play.

719
00:36:45,867 --> 00:36:50,187
Speaker 20: Yeah, he's so good. He would he would he would

720
00:36:50,227 --> 00:36:52,627
Speaker 20: be able to play in any air of walback rugby,

721
00:36:52,787 --> 00:36:56,667
Speaker 20: is how good he was. He'd be able to adapt. Yeah,

722
00:36:56,827 --> 00:36:59,667
Speaker 20: quite a talks about the making. At the end of

723
00:36:59,667 --> 00:37:01,427
Speaker 20: the day. I think he's going to be there twenty

724
00:37:01,507 --> 00:37:04,707
Speaker 20: twenty seven World Cup Limited the week place. He's gonna

725
00:37:04,747 --> 00:37:07,427
Speaker 20: be like a part of the especially the attacking side

726
00:37:07,467 --> 00:37:11,307
Speaker 20: of the All Blacks going forward. And it's already you

727
00:37:11,347 --> 00:37:13,307
Speaker 20: need to probably probably needs no harm in a bit

728
00:37:13,347 --> 00:37:17,147
Speaker 20: of arrest. But two things I think the lack of

729
00:37:17,467 --> 00:37:19,667
Speaker 20: their twenty minutes at the desk at the end of

730
00:37:19,667 --> 00:37:24,147
Speaker 20: the game. I think I Ruin's talking about number ten.

731
00:37:24,547 --> 00:37:27,907
Speaker 20: What about a captain is pretty quiet lower. I don't

732
00:37:27,907 --> 00:37:30,107
Speaker 20: know if he's in the same lines as Buckshelf and

733
00:37:30,107 --> 00:37:32,707
Speaker 20: that would really you know, get into this team. But

734
00:37:34,627 --> 00:37:37,147
Speaker 20: he seems captains are getting away a little bit here

735
00:37:37,427 --> 00:37:40,067
Speaker 20: when I've known captains always get the bront of it.

736
00:37:40,387 --> 00:37:45,107
Speaker 20: But but he talking about the impact off the bench. See,

737
00:37:45,187 --> 00:37:49,267
Speaker 20: A real impact to me would look like h a

738
00:37:49,347 --> 00:37:53,467
Speaker 20: six two split the two with I'd have two backs,

739
00:37:53,627 --> 00:37:57,147
Speaker 20: six forwards, so six two in your and your your

740
00:37:57,187 --> 00:38:00,347
Speaker 20: back would be your backs would be Hope and Todd.

741
00:38:00,747 --> 00:38:05,067
Speaker 20: No Hope and Todd, another half back and Proctor although

742
00:38:05,107 --> 00:38:09,307
Speaker 20: Proctor can now start as he's Jeordie's injured, so Property

743
00:38:09,347 --> 00:38:11,827
Speaker 20: could probably start. So he would bring in another back

744
00:38:11,867 --> 00:38:15,707
Speaker 20: with v Aob or whoever. But but but but real

745
00:38:15,747 --> 00:38:18,507
Speaker 20: impact is the forwards is what South Africa are doing.

746
00:38:18,947 --> 00:38:22,427
Speaker 20: And we've got the guns. Actually you can have you

747
00:38:22,427 --> 00:38:29,987
Speaker 20: can have Tossy oh sorry to mighty williams Omar and

748
00:38:30,107 --> 00:38:36,147
Speaker 20: Tossi and then they've got a lock and Tupua and

749
00:38:36,187 --> 00:38:38,227
Speaker 20: then so what said that it's for yeah, a.

750
00:38:38,187 --> 00:38:41,307
Speaker 2: Couple of three, Yeah, a couple of lusies in there

751
00:38:41,347 --> 00:38:45,587
Speaker 2: as well. Kane. Yeah, look, I I know whether they

752
00:38:45,627 --> 00:38:48,747
Speaker 2: go with a six two split at some stage it

753
00:38:48,787 --> 00:38:51,667
Speaker 2: feels unlikely. It feels unlikely, And like I say, I

754
00:38:51,667 --> 00:38:53,947
Speaker 2: would still have Damian McKenzie as part of my twenty

755
00:38:53,987 --> 00:38:56,707
Speaker 2: three every day of the week. It's just a matter

756
00:38:56,747 --> 00:38:59,307
Speaker 2: of where what role does he play, and I think

757
00:38:59,347 --> 00:39:02,467
Speaker 2: that's what they just have to work out. I agree

758
00:39:02,507 --> 00:39:05,707
Speaker 2: with you, Kane. Damian McKenzie will be at the twenty

759
00:39:05,747 --> 00:39:08,947
Speaker 2: twenty seven Rugby will can't provided he stays in New Zealand.

760
00:39:09,427 --> 00:39:11,947
Speaker 2: What is his best use and if his best juice

761
00:39:11,987 --> 00:39:15,267
Speaker 2: is wearing twenty three, then so be it and good

762
00:39:15,267 --> 00:39:17,947
Speaker 2: on them. That might be the best use of dmac

763
00:39:18,627 --> 00:39:22,427
Speaker 2: in the in the Reign of Razor. Final word, that's

764
00:39:22,427 --> 00:39:23,747
Speaker 2: our Chris. What do you got for us?

765
00:39:24,547 --> 00:39:24,747
Speaker 1: Yeah?

766
00:39:24,787 --> 00:39:26,707
Speaker 15: Yeah, finally, I mean I usually ring about cricket, but

767
00:39:26,707 --> 00:39:29,347
Speaker 15: I'll tell you what, by the time they get through India,

768
00:39:29,467 --> 00:39:31,187
Speaker 15: I might be ringing about cricket for a long time.

769
00:39:31,427 --> 00:39:34,387
Speaker 2: But what a what a couple of days, What a

770
00:39:34,387 --> 00:39:36,667
Speaker 2: couple of days against ra Lanka. It hasn't been great

771
00:39:36,747 --> 00:39:37,787
Speaker 2: viewing Chris.

772
00:39:38,227 --> 00:39:41,107
Speaker 15: No and and an unusual body laps by our fielding

773
00:39:41,147 --> 00:39:43,667
Speaker 15: when we're when we're when we're world classed. But however,

774
00:39:43,747 --> 00:39:45,947
Speaker 15: let's let's move on. I hope it rains and gold

775
00:39:45,987 --> 00:39:46,667
Speaker 15: for three days.

776
00:39:47,267 --> 00:39:49,147
Speaker 2: Yes, maybe, yeah.

777
00:39:48,947 --> 00:39:52,427
Speaker 15: And look, I just want to come from another angle

778
00:39:53,587 --> 00:40:02,787
Speaker 15: with with Razor. Razor played with and coach probably three

779
00:40:02,787 --> 00:40:05,067
Speaker 15: of the three of the greatest five eighths of the

780
00:40:05,067 --> 00:40:08,307
Speaker 15: professional era. He played aid for Canabry and the Crusaders,

781
00:40:08,307 --> 00:40:15,987
Speaker 15: and Andrew Mertins he he uh played with and with,

782
00:40:16,147 --> 00:40:18,587
Speaker 15: and he coached Dan Carter at Canay, not not the Crusaders.

783
00:40:18,627 --> 00:40:20,427
Speaker 15: He coached Dan Carter when he was still playing for

784
00:40:20,507 --> 00:40:25,507
Speaker 15: Cantery and then and then he coached Richie Manger. And

785
00:40:25,867 --> 00:40:30,307
Speaker 15: I think you know, he hasn't at this stage. He

786
00:40:30,347 --> 00:40:34,107
Speaker 15: doesn't think that Dave McKenzie is as good as those three.

787
00:40:34,267 --> 00:40:35,947
Speaker 15: And he's been used to those three and he's just

788
00:40:35,987 --> 00:40:37,667
Speaker 15: got to take him at the time and say, look

789
00:40:37,667 --> 00:40:41,267
Speaker 15: bye the bullet. That sort of class isn't there, with

790
00:40:41,307 --> 00:40:42,427
Speaker 15: exception Bowden Barrett.

791
00:40:42,427 --> 00:40:42,947
Speaker 4: What do you think?

792
00:40:43,347 --> 00:40:47,027
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think I think Scott Robertson absolutely wants

793
00:40:47,107 --> 00:40:51,547
Speaker 2: Richie Mwonga back. He calls him as quarterback. That's that's

794
00:40:51,587 --> 00:40:53,987
Speaker 2: the way he describes them. And and look, you make

795
00:40:54,027 --> 00:40:58,347
Speaker 2: a great point. He knows he knows about first fives

796
00:40:58,747 --> 00:41:02,827
Speaker 2: from the guys that you've just mentioned really really you know,

797
00:41:04,187 --> 00:41:09,827
Speaker 2: top quality, top of their game players. Look, I just

798
00:41:09,947 --> 00:41:13,667
Speaker 2: honestly believe that Razor will be doing everything he can

799
00:41:13,747 --> 00:41:17,507
Speaker 2: to get Richie Mounger back, and from what you're here

800
00:41:17,627 --> 00:41:20,907
Speaker 2: around the place, that will happen midway through next year,

801
00:41:21,387 --> 00:41:24,267
Speaker 2: that he'll play another season in Japan and then get

802
00:41:24,267 --> 00:41:26,347
Speaker 2: out of his last year. And I think you'll see

803
00:41:26,507 --> 00:41:28,747
Speaker 2: at this time next year Richie Morna in a black

804
00:41:28,787 --> 00:41:34,787
Speaker 2: jersey John Eels After one.

805
00:41:33,147 --> 00:41:37,267
Speaker 1: Your Home of Sport Lay from Wellington sky Stadium. It's

806
00:41:37,427 --> 00:41:41,787
Speaker 1: Weekends Forward with Jason Lay at US Talk ZMB here.

807
00:41:41,827 --> 00:41:44,627
Speaker 2: Welcome back into the show. Seven past one. I want

808
00:41:44,627 --> 00:41:46,587
Speaker 2: to be six hours away from kickoff. Come into your

809
00:41:46,587 --> 00:41:49,347
Speaker 2: life from sky Stadium. It's clouded over just a little

810
00:41:49,347 --> 00:41:53,147
Speaker 2: bit here in Wellington, but still absolutely nice sign of rain.

811
00:41:53,787 --> 00:41:56,867
Speaker 2: The wind, well I mean at sky Stadium, as you

812
00:41:57,067 --> 00:41:59,587
Speaker 2: may well know have if you've spent any time here,

813
00:41:59,627 --> 00:42:02,867
Speaker 2: the wind tends to swirl around a little bit. It's coming,

814
00:42:02,907 --> 00:42:04,947
Speaker 2: I believe from the North today, but you wouldn't really know.

815
00:42:05,027 --> 00:42:08,627
Speaker 2: And here went down on the grass before the show started,

816
00:42:08,667 --> 00:42:11,227
Speaker 2: and yeah, you kind of get he don't get any

817
00:42:11,227 --> 00:42:13,987
Speaker 2: idea at all. Really, suffice to say it's not strong

818
00:42:14,107 --> 00:42:16,307
Speaker 2: enough to have any impact on the game tonight. The

819
00:42:16,627 --> 00:42:20,187
Speaker 2: conditions will be pretty good. No rain in the forecast

820
00:42:20,347 --> 00:42:22,867
Speaker 2: and the wind if anything, set to die down, so

821
00:42:23,227 --> 00:42:25,467
Speaker 2: we should have really good conditions for the game tonight.

822
00:42:25,507 --> 00:42:28,267
Speaker 2: It sold out crowd and prospect. A lot of people

823
00:42:28,267 --> 00:42:30,867
Speaker 2: in Wellington. I can tell you're driving here this morning.

824
00:42:31,267 --> 00:42:34,507
Speaker 2: A lot of people around for the rugby. A bunch

825
00:42:34,587 --> 00:42:37,907
Speaker 2: of Australian fans have made the trip by the looks

826
00:42:37,907 --> 00:42:40,227
Speaker 2: of it, and by the green and gold I saw around.

827
00:42:40,347 --> 00:42:42,827
Speaker 2: The other thing is happening in Wellington across this weekend

828
00:42:42,827 --> 00:42:44,787
Speaker 2: and at the moment is the world of Wearable Arts.

829
00:42:45,187 --> 00:42:47,187
Speaker 2: So there are a heap of people in the capitol,

830
00:42:47,187 --> 00:42:50,427
Speaker 2: which is great to see. It has been a bit

831
00:42:50,467 --> 00:42:53,227
Speaker 2: of a struggle for those in the capitol in recent times,

832
00:42:53,267 --> 00:42:57,147
Speaker 2: particularly those in retail and hospitality, so great to see

833
00:42:57,187 --> 00:43:00,107
Speaker 2: them getting a boost across this weekend. Long mate continue

834
00:43:00,307 --> 00:43:04,187
Speaker 2: eight past one. John Eels in just a moment the

835
00:43:04,227 --> 00:43:06,787
Speaker 2: greatest waller Bey ever, I think he's got a pretty

836
00:43:06,787 --> 00:43:10,307
Speaker 2: strong case, hasn't he. John Eels and a man who

837
00:43:10,307 --> 00:43:13,027
Speaker 2: broke our hearts on more than one occasion, including famously

838
00:43:13,107 --> 00:43:15,947
Speaker 2: here at sky Stadium in the year two thousand. First

839
00:43:15,987 --> 00:43:19,787
Speaker 2: ever Test match that was played here at sky Stadium

840
00:43:20,147 --> 00:43:24,107
Speaker 2: ended with John Eels potting a penalty with relative ease

841
00:43:24,227 --> 00:43:27,027
Speaker 2: down at the City end of the ground and winning

842
00:43:27,027 --> 00:43:30,147
Speaker 2: the game for his team and holding onto the Bledisloe Cup.

843
00:43:30,547 --> 00:43:32,067
Speaker 2: So he's standing by to have a chat to us

844
00:43:32,067 --> 00:43:34,467
Speaker 2: about that, about his battles with the All Blacks, and

845
00:43:34,547 --> 00:43:37,267
Speaker 2: about the current Wallaby side, Adam Peacock of it. Later on,

846
00:43:37,507 --> 00:43:39,427
Speaker 2: time for your calls as well. We couldn't get everybody

847
00:43:39,467 --> 00:43:41,947
Speaker 2: on the air before one, so we'll open the lines again.

848
00:43:42,147 --> 00:43:45,227
Speaker 2: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty as always is the number.

849
00:43:45,227 --> 00:43:48,947
Speaker 2: Just updating some live sport for you. Farah Palmer Cup

850
00:43:48,987 --> 00:43:53,027
Speaker 2: semi finals today Premiership semi finals. These are counties Manical

851
00:43:53,387 --> 00:43:56,987
Speaker 2: hosting Canterbury in Pokercoe early in the second half. Canterbury

852
00:43:57,067 --> 00:43:59,987
Speaker 2: League twenty four points to nineteen and that one why

853
00:44:00,027 --> 00:44:03,547
Speaker 2: Cuttor and Auckland underway at two thirty five this afternoon

854
00:44:03,907 --> 00:44:05,867
Speaker 2: and a bit of National League football as well the

855
00:44:06,107 --> 00:44:09,147
Speaker 2: men's and women's national leagues have begun. To date. West

856
00:44:09,147 --> 00:44:11,467
Speaker 2: Coast Rangers are with a four nil lead over Central

857
00:44:11,467 --> 00:44:14,107
Speaker 2: Football early in the first half or rather second half

858
00:44:14,147 --> 00:44:16,347
Speaker 2: of their match in Canterbury United Pride too one ahead

859
00:44:16,547 --> 00:44:20,187
Speaker 2: of the Wellington Phoenix reserves again early in the second

860
00:44:20,187 --> 00:44:22,747
Speaker 2: half of that particular game. We'll keep you updated with

861
00:44:22,787 --> 00:44:25,867
Speaker 2: all of the live sport across the afternoon here on

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Speaker 2: News Talks Hedbat. But let's bring in a true Wallaby's legend.

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Speaker 2: John Eels eighty six Test matches in Green and Gold,

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Speaker 2: fifty five of those as Wallaby's captain, Rugby World Cup

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Speaker 2: winner in nineteen ninety nine and again in nineteen ninety

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Speaker 2: one and again in nineteen ninety nine, the best lock

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Speaker 2: and in the eyes of many the best players player

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Speaker 2: in the world. For a decade. Under his captaincy, the

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Speaker 2: Wallabies became the number one rugby team in the world.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety eight, he lifted the Letterslow Cup as

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Speaker 2: the Wallabies of that year became the first Australian side

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Speaker 2: since nineteen twenty nine to beat the All Blacks three

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Speaker 2: nil in a series. Under his stewart ship, Australia also

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Speaker 2: won the Tri Nations for the first time in two

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Speaker 2: thousand and Among his many honors, he was made a

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Speaker 2: Member of the Order of Australia for services to Rugby,

877
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Speaker 2: inducted into the International Rugby Board Hall of Fame, the

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Speaker 2: Wallaby Hall of Fame, and the Legends of Australian Sports.

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Speaker 2: So so many accolades, and as mentioned in the year

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Speaker 2: two thousand, right here in Wellington he did this.

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Speaker 23: How about this for stepping up to the march the

882
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Speaker 23: Chinese is he's going to take the catch himself.

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Speaker 13: Well he has to because turning mortlocks off the field

884
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Speaker 13: and I guess he's the only other goalkicker recognized goalkicker.

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Speaker 2: Joe Roth. Perhaps on occasions.

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Speaker 23: This kick, well the side the frights of the Brano's

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Speaker 23: notes where it june Is has kicked has retained a

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Speaker 23: better Z cut.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was twenty four years ago. John Iills is

890
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Speaker 2: with us on weekend sport. John, I'm sitting here looking

891
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Speaker 2: out at the patch of grass on which that happened.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at what I reckon is the spot from

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Speaker 2: which you kicked that winning penalty back in the year

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Speaker 2: two thousand. Where does that game sit in your memory?

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Speaker 6: Banks well, it's it's deep in the memory banks because

896
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Speaker 6: it's so long, agoy sadly because it's look at some look. Obviously,

897
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Speaker 6: it was a great moment for our team at that time. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: we had a obviously very good team at the time,

899
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Speaker 6: and that week had happened to be me other week,

900
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Speaker 6: so there was other people who took up those moments.

901
00:47:06,787 --> 00:47:09,467
Speaker 6: But it was a very special moment and a very

902
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Speaker 6: special team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, tell us about that Wallaby's team that we remember

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Speaker 2: so fondly over here, especially the back end of the

905
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Speaker 2: nineties and into the two thousands, where you never knew

906
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Speaker 2: from week to week who was going to come out

907
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Speaker 2: on top between the Wallabies and the All Blacks. What

908
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Speaker 2: was so special about that team that you led.

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Speaker 6: I think I'll probably put it down job it was

910
00:47:31,507 --> 00:47:34,147
Speaker 6: an experienced scene that we did actually have a fair

911
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Speaker 6: bit of change through that team through that era, and

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Speaker 6: because we had very strong systems in the team, I

913
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Speaker 6: think we were quite composed in the ways in the

914
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Speaker 6: way that we hit it and the way that we

915
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Speaker 6: put things together on the field, and the way we

916
00:47:52,707 --> 00:47:56,227
Speaker 6: didn't panic when things weren't necessarily going our way.

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Speaker 2: So new players coming into the environment were pretty quick

918
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Speaker 2: to understand and to grasp what was required. There wasn't

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Speaker 2: a lot of initiation required for the new players coming

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Speaker 2: into the environment.

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Speaker 12: Now I think that's right.

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Speaker 6: People understood what they had to do, they understood their responsibility,

923
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Speaker 6: their placing the team, and then we had very strong

924
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Speaker 6: patterns of play. But we also were a team that

925
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Speaker 6: were smart enough to read the game and what was

926
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Speaker 6: in front of us and then adjust to how we

927
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Speaker 6: play the game. As a result, you.

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Speaker 2: Played the All Blacks twenty times in your career, eleven

929
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Speaker 2: wins in those twenty games, so very tightly fought. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: were they your would you call them your favorite opponent?

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Speaker 2: Were other games you look forward to the most?

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Speaker 6: Now, there are certainly games you'd get nervous about because

933
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Speaker 6: they meant more than any other games for Australians. Playing

934
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Speaker 6: against New Zealand for the Winterers like Cup, we're in

935
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Speaker 6: the big games. But I think you did look forward

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Speaker 6: to them because the great thing about playing against New

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Speaker 6: Zealand is they would always back themselves and that backed

938
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Speaker 6: themselves to play good rugby, So therefore you knew it

939
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Speaker 6: was the game. It's your best rugby against their best rugby.

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Speaker 6: It wasn't I guess, so was physical when you played them,

941
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Speaker 6: but it wasn't quite like playing against the spring Box,

942
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Speaker 6: where the spring Box would almost want to win the

943
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Speaker 6: physical battle before they'd even consider about winning the game,

944
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Speaker 6: whereas the All Blacks would guess physical battle was part

945
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Speaker 6: of it, but it was more about how do you

946
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Speaker 6: win this game? And they would be trying their best

947
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Speaker 6: against our best, so it was always good. And as

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Speaker 6: it said, over that career as roughly fifty fifty so

949
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Speaker 6: it was always very close and.

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Speaker 2: Often close matches which were won right near the end.

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Speaker 2: I look at your very final test on the twenty

952
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Speaker 2: nine to twenty six win over the All Blacks Stadium,

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Speaker 2: Australia two thousand and one TOTALI carefu scoring a late try.

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Speaker 2: It felt for a while there as though late tries

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Speaker 2: and late points were the order of the day. Did

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Speaker 2: it always feel like you had to play for the

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Speaker 2: eighty minutes sometimes the eighty five?

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Speaker 6: Well no, indeed, see All Blacks in sixty or seventy minutes,

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Speaker 6: you've beat them through an eighty minute effort. You can

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Speaker 6: never be you can never relax against them, and you

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Speaker 6: see that all the time. So yeah, we knew it

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Speaker 6: was going to always come to that, and so we

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Speaker 6: were ready for that, and we tried to make sure

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Speaker 6: that we approached it in exactly the same way each time.

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Speaker 6: And then whether it was the first minute of the

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Speaker 6: game or the last minute of the game, we had

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Speaker 6: to focus on the same things, getting the execution of

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Speaker 6: your basic stuff correct.

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Speaker 2: If we fast forward to the present day, what do

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Speaker 2: you see says that as the Wallabies state of being

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Speaker 2: right now? How do you assise where they are at

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Speaker 2: the moment?

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Speaker 6: I think they're on a journey towards building the confidence

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Speaker 6: they need to compete regularly at this high level. They've

975
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Speaker 6: got the skills that can match it in the best moments,

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Speaker 6: but we've got to lock in the downside of our play.

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Speaker 6: And it's generally not bad minutes. It's not about group

978
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Speaker 6: of ten minutes or something. It's just the bad moments

979
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Speaker 6: where we're just not where we let ourselves down through

980
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Speaker 6: just that breath and gets away for a second now,

981
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Speaker 6: or might score a try or Argentina's score a try.

982
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Speaker 6: But we're generally competing for most of the games. We

983
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Speaker 6: just have to make sure we keep that intensity, keep

984
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Speaker 6: the skill level, and therefore keep the pressure on for

985
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Speaker 6: the larger components of the game.

986
00:51:34,947 --> 00:51:36,747
Speaker 2: Does that come largely with experience?

987
00:51:36,867 --> 00:51:41,547
Speaker 6: John, A lot of that is experience, the ability to

988
00:51:42,307 --> 00:51:44,947
Speaker 6: read certain parts of the game, know what's going on,

989
00:51:45,107 --> 00:51:47,987
Speaker 6: and be able to react, but have the composure to

990
00:51:48,107 --> 00:51:51,667
Speaker 6: not get worried if something is not quite going your way.

991
00:51:53,427 --> 00:51:55,787
Speaker 2: Do you think Joe Schmid's the right man to take

992
00:51:55,867 --> 00:51:56,627
Speaker 2: this team forward?

993
00:51:58,227 --> 00:51:58,427
Speaker 9: Yes?

994
00:51:59,227 --> 00:52:06,027
Speaker 6: I do think he is. I think from a coaching perspective,

995
00:52:06,147 --> 00:52:11,827
Speaker 6: is experience dealing with dealing with teams that are trying

996
00:52:11,867 --> 00:52:14,547
Speaker 6: to change the way they do things. But also, you

997
00:52:14,627 --> 00:52:17,347
Speaker 6: know what he did with Ireland. I think he got

998
00:52:17,747 --> 00:52:21,987
Speaker 6: a lot out of a system that wasn't necessarily the

999
00:52:22,347 --> 00:52:25,067
Speaker 6: deepest system in the world, and I think he helped

1000
00:52:25,547 --> 00:52:31,107
Speaker 6: create a very strong structure that then was reliable for

1001
00:52:31,227 --> 00:52:34,547
Speaker 6: developing players to come in and step into that structure.

1002
00:52:34,947 --> 00:52:38,667
Speaker 6: Now he's starting from early stages with the Wallabies that

1003
00:52:38,787 --> 00:52:40,627
Speaker 6: I think he's the right person to be leading this

1004
00:52:40,987 --> 00:52:42,507
Speaker 6: this drive.

1005
00:52:42,947 --> 00:52:45,107
Speaker 2: All right, And just to finish, what would you like

1006
00:52:45,227 --> 00:52:48,507
Speaker 2: to see from the wallabiests tonight? You mentioned before, you know,

1007
00:52:48,787 --> 00:52:51,107
Speaker 2: the big moments and maybe the moments where they don't

1008
00:52:51,187 --> 00:52:53,627
Speaker 2: quite get to the level that they need to be.

1009
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Speaker 2: What are you hoping to see from the Wallabies and

1010
00:52:55,827 --> 00:52:56,627
Speaker 2: Wellington tonight?

1011
00:52:59,947 --> 00:53:04,827
Speaker 6: What I hope to see is consistency and just building

1012
00:53:04,907 --> 00:53:11,107
Speaker 6: on building on the performance of last week, and just

1013
00:53:11,947 --> 00:53:15,187
Speaker 6: less of those bad moments where they let the All

1014
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Speaker 6: Blacks in. Like if you start well, the Wallabies came

1015
00:53:17,627 --> 00:53:19,627
Speaker 6: back into the game, they showed a lot of character,

1016
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Speaker 6: a lot of courage, commitment and skill. So making sure

1017
00:53:25,507 --> 00:53:27,107
Speaker 6: that they can show that from the start. I'll give

1018
00:53:27,107 --> 00:53:29,587
Speaker 6: you one example. I think there was three or four

1019
00:53:30,107 --> 00:53:32,467
Speaker 6: I can't remember exactly. You'll probably be able to correct me.

1020
00:53:32,987 --> 00:53:36,707
Speaker 6: Three or four lineouts that we lost attacking lineouts in

1021
00:53:36,747 --> 00:53:39,947
Speaker 6: the All Blacks twenty two through the game. I mean,

1022
00:53:39,987 --> 00:53:43,387
Speaker 6: that's a classic example of a moment where you've got

1023
00:53:43,427 --> 00:53:47,307
Speaker 6: an opportunity to turn the screws and apply pressure. So

1024
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Speaker 6: if the opposition knows that that's fifty to fifty ball

1025
00:53:52,547 --> 00:53:54,947
Speaker 6: in those moments, well they're not going to feel the

1026
00:53:55,027 --> 00:53:59,307
Speaker 6: same pressure. Now, all teams struggle to some extent under pressure.

1027
00:53:59,707 --> 00:54:03,107
Speaker 6: The Wallabies have to learn to build and apply that

1028
00:54:03,307 --> 00:54:04,987
Speaker 6: pressure for longer periods of time.

1029
00:54:06,387 --> 00:54:08,987
Speaker 2: Fascinating time for rugby on both sides of the Tasman John,

1030
00:54:09,027 --> 00:54:11,387
Speaker 2: you broke our hearts on more than one occasion, particularly

1031
00:54:11,507 --> 00:54:14,467
Speaker 2: here in Wellington. We're on broadcasting today. Really appreciate you

1032
00:54:14,587 --> 00:54:16,027
Speaker 2: taking the time for a chat this afternoon.

1033
00:54:17,267 --> 00:54:19,947
Speaker 6: Thanks, it's a pleasure and I hope it's a great

1034
00:54:20,027 --> 00:54:21,107
Speaker 6: game out there today.

1035
00:54:21,707 --> 00:54:24,307
Speaker 2: Yeah, we hope so too, John. Thanks. Indeed, John Eels

1036
00:54:24,347 --> 00:54:28,787
Speaker 2: there Wallaby's legend. They used to call them nobody, didn't

1037
00:54:28,787 --> 00:54:33,067
Speaker 2: they because Nobody's perfect. What a terrific nickname, and what

1038
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Speaker 2: a player just generational and I think the greatest Wallabies

1039
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Speaker 2: player ever. One on news talks there began open the

1040
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Speaker 2: lines again. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. Any

1041
00:54:43,987 --> 00:54:45,587
Speaker 2: aspect on the game tonight you want to pick up

1042
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Speaker 2: on If you were at that game in two thousand,

1043
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Speaker 2: the very first Test matches I've said to be played

1044
00:54:52,067 --> 00:54:56,747
Speaker 2: at this arena. Were you here when John Eels broke

1045
00:54:56,827 --> 00:54:59,627
Speaker 2: our hearts? Janus on text, Jason, my dad and I

1046
00:54:59,747 --> 00:55:02,427
Speaker 2: were there at that two thousand game. We knew the

1047
00:55:02,547 --> 00:55:05,387
Speaker 2: kick was going over. The second John Eels kicked it,

1048
00:55:05,467 --> 00:55:10,147
Speaker 2: it was headed straight for us. Thanks Jennie. Yeah, I

1049
00:55:10,267 --> 00:55:15,027
Speaker 2: remember Jonathan Caplan was the referee, the South African good referee,

1050
00:55:15,947 --> 00:55:18,587
Speaker 2: but as he was leaving the field, I remember there

1051
00:55:18,667 --> 00:55:23,987
Speaker 2: was quite the controversy because he was pelted with some

1052
00:55:24,107 --> 00:55:27,067
Speaker 2: plastic bottles. I mean, it wasn't his fault, It wasn't

1053
00:55:27,147 --> 00:55:30,667
Speaker 2: Jonathan Caplan's fault that John Eiles kicked the penalty. I

1054
00:55:30,707 --> 00:55:34,347
Speaker 2: think what they were a little bit annoyed about the crowd,

1055
00:55:34,907 --> 00:55:37,587
Speaker 2: not that it's any justification for throwing things, but I

1056
00:55:37,667 --> 00:55:40,067
Speaker 2: think what they were annoyed about was the fact that

1057
00:55:40,107 --> 00:55:41,707
Speaker 2: there was so much time outed on at the end

1058
00:55:42,427 --> 00:55:46,187
Speaker 2: and the All Blacks gave away a couple of I

1059
00:55:46,307 --> 00:55:48,707
Speaker 2: don't remember the exact detail, but I remember there was

1060
00:55:48,747 --> 00:55:52,067
Speaker 2: a line out throw that didn't hit its mark and

1061
00:55:52,107 --> 00:55:53,827
Speaker 2: Astraighta got their hands on the ball and then New

1062
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Speaker 2: Zealand tried to get it back and they were penalizing.

1063
00:55:55,427 --> 00:55:57,547
Speaker 2: That's when John Yills kicked it. There was a bit

1064
00:55:57,627 --> 00:56:01,427
Speaker 2: of controversy around as far as the end of the

1065
00:56:01,467 --> 00:56:07,427
Speaker 2: game was concerned. But yeah, Jonathan Caplan, yeah, the referee

1066
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Speaker 2: pelted John says. I honestly believe what John Eils did

1067
00:56:11,387 --> 00:56:13,747
Speaker 2: that day taking that kick was the best piece of

1068
00:56:13,827 --> 00:56:17,747
Speaker 2: captaincy I've ever seen in any sport. Ever. He stood

1069
00:56:17,827 --> 00:56:21,107
Speaker 2: up and took ownership rather than letting someone else take

1070
00:56:21,147 --> 00:56:23,307
Speaker 2: the blame if they missed. I'm key we threw and through.

1071
00:56:23,387 --> 00:56:27,547
Speaker 2: But Eels is allegiant. Totally agree, John, How are your

1072
00:56:27,587 --> 00:56:29,747
Speaker 2: funn Oh good.

1073
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Speaker 16: Thanks Pioneer. Yeah, just a couple of things made and

1074
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Speaker 16: I've set for a few mates and all that I

1075
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Speaker 16: like in this new era under Scott Robinson, and I

1076
00:56:41,347 --> 00:56:45,307
Speaker 16: throw it back to the whole start of Laurie Mains's there.

1077
00:56:46,067 --> 00:56:50,387
Speaker 16: There's a bit of a tough transition, changing trying to

1078
00:56:50,627 --> 00:56:54,987
Speaker 16: put his blueprint on the cane, trying to develop players,

1079
00:56:55,107 --> 00:56:59,627
Speaker 16: starting with sort of some yeah, some seniors, trying to

1080
00:56:59,707 --> 00:57:05,947
Speaker 16: develop players here and there, and I reckon in four

1081
00:57:06,027 --> 00:57:11,547
Speaker 16: years time, we'll see, we'll see what Scott Robinson's done.

1082
00:57:11,587 --> 00:57:14,747
Speaker 16: I really do think liking it to Laury Mainzer's there

1083
00:57:14,867 --> 00:57:17,547
Speaker 16: with the all Blackton and I think it's going to

1084
00:57:17,587 --> 00:57:21,267
Speaker 16: be pretty positive. And in four years time, I really do.

1085
00:57:22,427 --> 00:57:26,427
Speaker 2: Look for I love the comparison. Yeah, Laurie took over

1086
00:57:26,507 --> 00:57:28,667
Speaker 2: what nineteen ninety two, didn't he and he brought a

1087
00:57:28,707 --> 00:57:31,347
Speaker 2: lot of new guys into that team. You know, I

1088
00:57:31,347 --> 00:57:33,387
Speaker 2: remember there was a there was talk at the time

1089
00:57:33,427 --> 00:57:35,427
Speaker 2: that it was you know, he brought a couple of

1090
00:57:35,507 --> 00:57:37,827
Speaker 2: Otago guys and the likes of Jamie Joseph and Aaron

1091
00:57:38,107 --> 00:57:41,747
Speaker 2: Aaron Penney. But then you know, he he also brought

1092
00:57:41,787 --> 00:57:45,987
Speaker 2: some other terrific players into that team, Frank Buntz, you know,

1093
00:57:46,067 --> 00:57:48,827
Speaker 2: and then later on Jonah of course, Josh Cronfeld and

1094
00:57:49,107 --> 00:57:51,987
Speaker 2: Andrew Martins, although they were later in the piece. But yeah,

1095
00:57:52,067 --> 00:57:54,547
Speaker 2: it's some it's a journey, as they say, and isn't

1096
00:57:54,587 --> 00:57:55,187
Speaker 2: it a journey?

1097
00:57:56,227 --> 00:57:59,867
Speaker 16: Well yeah, you know, yes, sort of them of one

1098
00:58:00,147 --> 00:58:04,067
Speaker 16: massive error, you know, Bozzy and the Hanson and Henry

1099
00:58:04,187 --> 00:58:07,987
Speaker 16: the same systems and plates were so long, and then

1100
00:58:08,147 --> 00:58:10,267
Speaker 16: changing the mindset of those players that have.

1101
00:58:10,307 --> 00:58:13,547
Speaker 20: Played under those bullers for so long and that.

1102
00:58:13,747 --> 00:58:16,067
Speaker 16: But in just the second point before I go the

1103
00:58:16,827 --> 00:58:20,947
Speaker 16: what I feels really killed the all Blacks or brought

1104
00:58:21,027 --> 00:58:26,067
Speaker 16: and brought everyone else up to our level and the

1105
00:58:26,547 --> 00:58:31,227
Speaker 16: South Africans manipulated better than everyone. It's this whole bomb

1106
00:58:31,307 --> 00:58:37,507
Speaker 16: squad thing, the twenty three. It's you know, it's bicycle

1107
00:58:37,707 --> 00:58:42,427
Speaker 16: that the bomb squad comes on. Someone from the bomb

1108
00:58:42,467 --> 00:58:46,587
Speaker 16: squad goes down and then they're able to give give

1109
00:58:46,747 --> 00:58:50,147
Speaker 16: one of their big massive props or locked so they're

1110
00:58:50,147 --> 00:58:53,227
Speaker 16: able to put them on the field. End after five

1111
00:58:53,347 --> 00:58:55,787
Speaker 16: or ten minutes after the bomb squad has done their job,

1112
00:58:55,907 --> 00:59:00,267
Speaker 16: and the English did that no better better than anyone

1113
00:59:00,747 --> 00:59:03,507
Speaker 16: in the tests against the All Blacks over here. When

1114
00:59:03,587 --> 00:59:07,027
Speaker 16: if you remember that Topey Smith went toss for ten

1115
00:59:07,107 --> 00:59:10,467
Speaker 16: to fifteen minute rest in that final period, just before

1116
00:59:10,507 --> 00:59:13,987
Speaker 16: that final period, and then someone conveniently got injured and

1117
00:59:14,107 --> 00:59:16,747
Speaker 16: he came on for that last ten minutes fresh as

1118
00:59:16,787 --> 00:59:17,587
Speaker 16: a bloody daisy.

1119
00:59:18,227 --> 00:59:21,947
Speaker 2: You reckon, that's premeditated, Yeah, it's manipulated.

1120
00:59:22,587 --> 00:59:26,067
Speaker 16: Why should you be allowed to sub four or five

1121
00:59:26,267 --> 00:59:29,347
Speaker 16: players love being subbed? You bring the bomb squad on

1122
00:59:30,147 --> 00:59:34,267
Speaker 16: and then someone from the bomb squad goes down and

1123
00:59:34,347 --> 00:59:37,187
Speaker 16: then you can bring the bloody that same prop on

1124
00:59:37,227 --> 00:59:40,067
Speaker 16: who's had ten to fifteen minutes rest. To me, it's like,

1125
00:59:40,827 --> 00:59:44,507
Speaker 16: well you've used your sub you can't bring someone else

1126
00:59:44,587 --> 00:59:46,707
Speaker 16: on in that position, or you shouldn't be able to

1127
00:59:46,747 --> 00:59:48,547
Speaker 16: bring someone else on at all.

1128
00:59:48,907 --> 00:59:49,427
Speaker 7: The South he.

1129
00:59:49,467 --> 00:59:52,987
Speaker 16: Cans manipulate that better than anyone.

1130
00:59:53,267 --> 00:59:56,387
Speaker 20: It's a yeah, it's fascicle.

1131
00:59:56,947 --> 00:59:59,267
Speaker 2: Yeah, but as you know, you know you've got if

1132
00:59:59,267 --> 01:00:01,067
Speaker 2: a front rower goes off, and if it is a

1133
01:00:01,147 --> 01:00:03,667
Speaker 2: genuine injury, which I think you're suggesting it might not be,

1134
01:00:04,307 --> 01:00:05,627
Speaker 2: you know you've got to bring a front right back

1135
01:00:05,627 --> 01:00:07,467
Speaker 2: on so you can have scrumb But yeah, it's an

1136
01:00:07,467 --> 01:00:09,707
Speaker 2: interesting point you make if you think it's premeditated that

1137
01:00:09,747 --> 01:00:11,907
Speaker 2: the bottom squad go on and then members of that

1138
01:00:12,027 --> 01:00:15,627
Speaker 2: bombs quite actually decide that they'll they'll go back off

1139
01:00:15,667 --> 01:00:18,947
Speaker 2: again and you bring on your starter again, Jeeves. That

1140
01:00:19,067 --> 01:00:23,307
Speaker 2: is getting deep into the deep, into the premeditation of things.

1141
01:00:23,307 --> 01:00:25,027
Speaker 2: Good to chat to you, mate, Thanks for calling through

1142
01:00:25,267 --> 01:00:27,667
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty one to twenty five.

1143
01:00:27,707 --> 01:00:29,027
Speaker 2: Will take a break when we come back. More of

1144
01:00:29,107 --> 01:00:31,467
Speaker 2: your calls. Adam Peacock from Australia. Before two.

1145
01:00:33,227 --> 01:00:36,827
Speaker 1: Play from Wellington sky Stadium on your home of Sports

1146
01:00:36,947 --> 01:00:40,507
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Fine and GJ gar No Homes,

1147
01:00:40,667 --> 01:00:43,987
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1148
01:00:43,507 --> 01:00:46,467
Speaker 2: Be coming up one twenty nine, broadcasting live from sky

1149
01:00:46,587 --> 01:00:48,947
Speaker 2: Stadium where tonight it's seven it's the All Blacks against

1150
01:00:48,987 --> 01:00:53,507
Speaker 2: Australia final match of the Rugby Championship. Taking some calls, Cameron,

1151
01:00:53,547 --> 01:00:57,427
Speaker 2: how are you it takes fining yourself? Very good mate,

1152
01:00:57,467 --> 01:01:00,827
Speaker 2: Looking forward to tonight, Yeah, no, I've.

1153
01:01:00,867 --> 01:01:01,747
Speaker 12: Been a long time since.

1154
01:01:01,787 --> 01:01:03,707
Speaker 24: I really look forward to a Blair slow Cup Test,

1155
01:01:03,827 --> 01:01:06,067
Speaker 24: you know, like I mean, they've been silly one sided

1156
01:01:06,427 --> 01:01:09,027
Speaker 24: up until just three, so haven't they they have?

1157
01:01:09,227 --> 01:01:10,907
Speaker 2: Do you think tonight might be as tight as it

1158
01:01:11,067 --> 01:01:13,147
Speaker 2: was last week? I kind of thought, well, I guess

1159
01:01:13,187 --> 01:01:15,907
Speaker 2: my my pregame thought is that the All Black should

1160
01:01:15,907 --> 01:01:17,627
Speaker 2: win at thirteen plus tonight. Do you reckon it'll be

1161
01:01:17,667 --> 01:01:18,307
Speaker 2: another tight one?

1162
01:01:19,667 --> 01:01:19,827
Speaker 1: Well?

1163
01:01:19,907 --> 01:01:22,707
Speaker 24: I think the Australia has probably realized they made some

1164
01:01:22,827 --> 01:01:24,547
Speaker 24: mistakes early on and that you know.

1165
01:01:24,547 --> 01:01:26,587
Speaker 6: They obviously falling off some airly simple tackles in.

1166
01:01:26,627 --> 01:01:29,187
Speaker 24: That first test early on, and I think they will

1167
01:01:29,267 --> 01:01:32,827
Speaker 24: be Joe Schmidt will have them primed and ready to go. Yeah,

1168
01:01:35,867 --> 01:01:37,307
Speaker 24: Pops for my court party was I just want to

1169
01:01:37,347 --> 01:01:40,307
Speaker 24: thank you for that John Eels interview. He's he's very inspirational,

1170
01:01:40,387 --> 01:01:42,187
Speaker 24: isn't he. You don't hear a lot of them anymore

1171
01:01:42,227 --> 01:01:45,227
Speaker 24: on the on TV radio, And I'm not sure what

1172
01:01:45,307 --> 01:01:48,147
Speaker 24: he's doing now. I'm assuming he's not involved in rugby,

1173
01:01:48,267 --> 01:01:50,707
Speaker 24: but he's very inspirational captain.

1174
01:01:51,187 --> 01:01:54,307
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember when he was, Yeah, when he used

1175
01:01:54,307 --> 01:01:57,907
Speaker 2: to lead that team. And you imagine those players looking

1176
01:01:58,027 --> 01:02:00,747
Speaker 2: as they as they prepared to walk out onto the grass,

1177
01:02:01,227 --> 01:02:05,747
Speaker 2: seeing that big number five on his massive back about

1178
01:02:05,827 --> 01:02:07,707
Speaker 2: to lead them. It would just I think he just

1179
01:02:07,827 --> 01:02:09,387
Speaker 2: improved everybody in the team.

1180
01:02:11,947 --> 01:02:14,547
Speaker 24: Yeah, I mean like being a lock. He was literally

1181
01:02:14,587 --> 01:02:17,267
Speaker 24: and cigarettively the glue that held the team together, wasn't he?

1182
01:02:17,387 --> 01:02:17,547
Speaker 6: You know?

1183
01:02:18,027 --> 01:02:21,187
Speaker 2: Yeah, he really was. And yeah, I don't I don't

1184
01:02:21,227 --> 01:02:22,947
Speaker 2: know what he's doing these days, Cameron, As far as

1185
01:02:22,987 --> 01:02:27,387
Speaker 2: as a job as concerned, you think that if he

1186
01:02:27,547 --> 01:02:31,147
Speaker 2: was available in some capacity for Rugby Australia he would be.

1187
01:02:31,187 --> 01:02:32,987
Speaker 2: I mean they've got the likes of Phil war and

1188
01:02:33,067 --> 01:02:35,547
Speaker 2: Joe Roff and others involved over there. Who were you know,

1189
01:02:35,667 --> 01:02:38,587
Speaker 2: players who played alongside John Eills. I'm sure they invite

1190
01:02:38,667 --> 01:02:42,107
Speaker 2: him and on occasion to address the troops. But yeah,

1191
01:02:42,107 --> 01:02:45,227
Speaker 2: I'm not sure whether he has any official official role

1192
01:02:45,347 --> 01:02:47,387
Speaker 2: with Rugby Australia. But I'll tell you what, if Ole

1193
01:02:47,427 --> 01:02:48,947
Speaker 2: was in charge, I'll be getting him in there somehow.

1194
01:02:51,387 --> 01:02:51,547
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1195
01:02:51,587 --> 01:02:52,467
Speaker 24: One hundredsent agree.

1196
01:02:52,907 --> 01:02:54,747
Speaker 2: Good on your mate, Thanks for calling through, Cameron, and

1197
01:02:54,787 --> 01:02:57,627
Speaker 2: enjoy the game tonight, mate. In some ways, I hope

1198
01:02:57,667 --> 01:03:00,107
Speaker 2: it is close. We all like a contest. But I

1199
01:03:00,267 --> 01:03:03,067
Speaker 2: also hope that the All Blacks give us an eighty

1200
01:03:03,067 --> 01:03:07,867
Speaker 2: minutes performance. An eighty minutes performance. We've seen it in glimpse.

1201
01:03:08,067 --> 01:03:10,787
Speaker 2: What about the first fifteen minutes last week? Even if

1202
01:03:10,827 --> 01:03:14,347
Speaker 2: they do that for an hour? Waits she longer than

1203
01:03:14,387 --> 01:03:16,707
Speaker 2: an hour because we want to see some points after

1204
01:03:16,787 --> 01:03:18,787
Speaker 2: the sixty minute mark, so we can get rid of

1205
01:03:18,867 --> 01:03:19,507
Speaker 2: this narrative.

1206
01:03:20,267 --> 01:03:23,747
Speaker 22: Hello ed Hi, how you Dan? I like you, shay mate.

1207
01:03:24,347 --> 01:03:26,627
Speaker 22: I'm going to take an upset now. I'm taking Australia

1208
01:03:26,747 --> 01:03:27,787
Speaker 22: hit first try.

1209
01:03:28,587 --> 01:03:32,187
Speaker 2: The first try tonight by the Australians. Yeah, I guess that,

1210
01:03:32,467 --> 01:03:34,907
Speaker 2: so I reckon they'll start, they'll start fast. I guess

1211
01:03:34,907 --> 01:03:36,547
Speaker 2: it's not really enough. I thought you were to say Australia,

1212
01:03:36,547 --> 01:03:37,627
Speaker 2: we're going to win the game head.

1213
01:03:38,067 --> 01:03:40,267
Speaker 22: Well, I'm pretty sure it could do it. You know,

1214
01:03:40,707 --> 01:03:42,707
Speaker 22: we haven't really had a good captain and the team

1215
01:03:42,747 --> 01:03:46,467
Speaker 22: to lead the forward from the team. That's what's lacking

1216
01:03:46,507 --> 01:03:48,867
Speaker 22: the all for that team as them. You're a decent captain,

1217
01:03:48,867 --> 01:03:50,827
Speaker 22: I mean, like seeing what worked up was very good.

1218
01:03:51,387 --> 01:03:54,587
Speaker 22: Richie was good. We haven't going to captain no leadership

1219
01:03:54,667 --> 01:03:56,147
Speaker 22: and the rugby team.

1220
01:03:56,667 --> 01:03:58,427
Speaker 15: I think, Yeah, I.

1221
01:03:58,467 --> 01:04:01,347
Speaker 2: Think he's be as well regarded. I think he's well

1222
01:04:01,427 --> 01:04:07,107
Speaker 2: regarded within the team. He's not like an outwardly emotional character.

1223
01:04:07,227 --> 01:04:09,707
Speaker 2: Scott Barrett, but I think he's very much he leads

1224
01:04:09,787 --> 01:04:11,187
Speaker 2: by actions rather than words.

1225
01:04:11,267 --> 01:04:13,907
Speaker 22: I guess you'd say he's seeing too old to be

1226
01:04:13,987 --> 01:04:16,347
Speaker 22: a cat. They need to blood a new captain here

1227
01:04:16,467 --> 01:04:17,987
Speaker 22: and keep the game going forward.

1228
01:04:18,347 --> 01:04:19,507
Speaker 2: We've only just got the job.

1229
01:04:19,627 --> 01:04:25,867
Speaker 22: He's only got the job. You're not burma job losing.

1230
01:04:26,387 --> 01:04:28,347
Speaker 22: Holy he's not durm a job.

1231
01:04:29,307 --> 01:04:32,387
Speaker 2: I think he's gone. I think he's I haven't haven't

1232
01:04:32,587 --> 01:04:36,507
Speaker 2: really expressed any concern or since any concern about his captaincy.

1233
01:04:36,747 --> 01:04:38,867
Speaker 2: But interesting that you have it. Interesting and I mean

1234
01:04:38,907 --> 01:04:40,507
Speaker 2: you're from that part of the world by the sounds

1235
01:04:40,547 --> 01:04:40,667
Speaker 2: of it.

1236
01:04:42,707 --> 01:04:45,947
Speaker 22: Yeah, yeah, I've seen you think that. Hey, listen, Sam

1237
01:04:46,027 --> 01:04:48,747
Speaker 22: White Club was brilliant. You know they couldn't listen him

1238
01:04:48,827 --> 01:04:52,467
Speaker 22: so much before that. Yeah, and just not doing my

1239
01:04:52,587 --> 01:04:55,427
Speaker 22: job up front and all the backs. How the hell

1240
01:04:55,427 --> 01:04:58,387
Speaker 22: are we going to beat Australia. Last I bet put

1241
01:04:58,427 --> 01:05:01,107
Speaker 22: a bed on what we'd beat Australia by thirty points

1242
01:05:05,067 --> 01:05:08,387
Speaker 22: out by thirty and I've lost my bet because the

1243
01:05:08,707 --> 01:05:12,187
Speaker 22: Australia came up to just about beep from you for

1244
01:05:12,307 --> 01:05:14,107
Speaker 22: your points shot wiped out real quick.

1245
01:05:16,547 --> 01:05:18,947
Speaker 2: Look, I hope From an all Blake's point of view,

1246
01:05:18,987 --> 01:05:21,787
Speaker 2: that the All Blake's win tonight. But I actually chucked

1247
01:05:21,827 --> 01:05:25,427
Speaker 2: that fiver on the first try for Australia and yeah,

1248
01:05:25,467 --> 01:05:27,187
Speaker 2: and I'll hope that happens, but then I hope we

1249
01:05:27,347 --> 01:05:29,347
Speaker 2: run over the top of them. Good to get you mate,

1250
01:05:29,347 --> 01:05:30,787
Speaker 2: Thanks for calling through. How are you Bruce?

1251
01:05:32,507 --> 01:05:35,707
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, thank you. Find it was great to here Johnny.

1252
01:05:35,747 --> 01:05:38,507
Speaker 8: It was one of the remarkable features about him, where

1253
01:05:38,507 --> 01:05:41,707
Speaker 8: it was his humility when that last you know, he

1254
01:05:41,867 --> 01:05:45,107
Speaker 8: lost some crashing games and he always came out and

1255
01:05:45,267 --> 01:05:48,747
Speaker 8: spoke so well. And one of the things I realized

1256
01:05:48,787 --> 01:05:51,507
Speaker 8: at the Test in Wellington where he kicked that pin audio,

1257
01:05:52,147 --> 01:05:54,747
Speaker 8: I feel like I was sitting right be hot in

1258
01:05:54,867 --> 01:05:57,707
Speaker 8: line with the ball went over. And the thing I

1259
01:05:57,827 --> 01:06:01,427
Speaker 8: remember most about that game was that Todd Landeck there

1260
01:06:01,547 --> 01:06:05,267
Speaker 8: was the captain, never came out and spoke afterwards, clearly

1261
01:06:05,267 --> 01:06:10,147
Speaker 8: because he was disappointed. I didn't know that, Yeah, And

1262
01:06:10,867 --> 01:06:14,387
Speaker 8: that was my distinct memory of the game. And Johnny

1263
01:06:14,587 --> 01:06:18,427
Speaker 8: was had game after game with humility, come out and

1264
01:06:18,547 --> 01:06:22,467
Speaker 8: spoken despite some punishing losses at the end of the

1265
01:06:22,547 --> 01:06:25,107
Speaker 8: game to the ends of the All Black and in

1266
01:06:25,187 --> 01:06:26,707
Speaker 8: that game I think it must have been one of

1267
01:06:26,787 --> 01:06:33,107
Speaker 8: Todd's early games of the Captain. I'm not test, but

1268
01:06:33,267 --> 01:06:36,307
Speaker 8: he refused to come out and talk, obviously because he

1269
01:06:36,507 --> 01:06:40,027
Speaker 8: was pretty upset about the results. So he didn't speak.

1270
01:06:40,027 --> 01:06:41,827
Speaker 8: Because in those days they used to come out and

1271
01:06:41,907 --> 01:06:43,987
Speaker 8: you could hear it in the crowd and then it

1272
01:06:44,427 --> 01:06:46,867
Speaker 8: wasn't too much, you know, standing in front of a

1273
01:06:46,947 --> 01:06:51,307
Speaker 8: sponsored product on TV. And he sadly didn't come out

1274
01:06:51,347 --> 01:06:51,947
Speaker 8: of that game.

1275
01:06:53,067 --> 01:06:55,307
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess it must be hard. Yeah,

1276
01:06:55,427 --> 01:06:57,747
Speaker 2: it must be hard. It must be hard. But you're right,

1277
01:06:57,827 --> 01:06:59,907
Speaker 2: if you if you compare it to John Eels, so

1278
01:07:00,027 --> 01:07:02,187
Speaker 2: as you say, I mean, he just he just seems

1279
01:07:02,227 --> 01:07:04,867
Speaker 2: like a pretty unique sort of a human being who

1280
01:07:05,027 --> 01:07:07,947
Speaker 2: just is able to somehow carry himself with dignity and

1281
01:07:07,987 --> 01:07:10,227
Speaker 2: pride regardless of what's happened in the eighty minutes previous.

1282
01:07:11,707 --> 01:07:15,547
Speaker 8: Absolutely, and anyway, that was my rich collection of the game.

1283
01:07:15,747 --> 01:07:18,827
Speaker 8: And I may be doing Blackadder an injustice. He may

1284
01:07:18,867 --> 01:07:21,347
Speaker 8: have been injured or something may have happened, but it

1285
01:07:21,467 --> 01:07:26,427
Speaker 8: was my distinct memory of the game having seeing John

1286
01:07:26,507 --> 01:07:29,707
Speaker 8: Neils come out and front up when he probably was

1287
01:07:29,747 --> 01:07:32,267
Speaker 8: the last thing he wanted to do, And that truly

1288
01:07:32,427 --> 01:07:33,547
Speaker 8: was the measure of that man.

1289
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Speaker 2: Yeah, good man, Bruce, thanks mate, yeahow that was yeah.

1290
01:07:37,147 --> 01:07:40,627
Speaker 2: Two thousand was Todd blackad his first season in full

1291
01:07:41,027 --> 01:07:43,307
Speaker 2: charge as All Blacks captain. As it turned out, it

1292
01:07:43,387 --> 01:07:46,187
Speaker 2: was his only season. He kept in the side right

1293
01:07:46,267 --> 01:07:50,707
Speaker 2: throughout two thousand and had overseen wins over the likes

1294
01:07:50,747 --> 01:07:55,187
Speaker 2: of Tonga in Scotland before those two incredible Test matches

1295
01:07:55,587 --> 01:07:57,707
Speaker 2: against Australia, the one the match of the century and

1296
01:07:57,787 --> 01:07:59,827
Speaker 2: then the one we're talking about in Wellington. Good to

1297
01:07:59,907 --> 01:08:02,507
Speaker 2: chat to you, mate, Juliet, says Jason. I'll be interested

1298
01:08:02,507 --> 01:08:04,547
Speaker 2: to know who's going to kick goals tonight. Well, to

1299
01:08:04,627 --> 01:08:07,147
Speaker 2: presuma to be Boden Barrett. He's the only the goalkicker

1300
01:08:07,227 --> 01:08:09,387
Speaker 2: in the starting fifteen that I can see, and if

1301
01:08:09,427 --> 01:08:11,747
Speaker 2: he goes off then Damian McKenzie. I presume we'll do it, Juliet,

1302
01:08:11,947 --> 01:08:15,107
Speaker 2: So I think we'll be okay there. I wouldn't want

1303
01:08:15,107 --> 01:08:16,787
Speaker 2: both of them to get in. David Hay's in the

1304
01:08:16,947 --> 01:08:19,947
Speaker 2: twenty three? Does he kick goals? Will Jordan? Maybe? Not sure?

1305
01:08:20,147 --> 01:08:20,387
Speaker 13: Hello?

1306
01:08:20,507 --> 01:08:26,187
Speaker 17: Christy yeah, hello, hell yeah, I'm here, Jesus, I mind

1307
01:08:26,227 --> 01:08:30,827
Speaker 17: you hey. I would just like to mention that I

1308
01:08:30,947 --> 01:08:34,067
Speaker 17: think the All Blacks will put the Wallabies away and

1309
01:08:34,067 --> 01:08:37,787
Speaker 17: it'll be brutal tonight. The reason being the influence that

1310
01:08:37,907 --> 01:08:40,587
Speaker 17: Wayne Smith will have on that team and the coach

1311
01:08:41,707 --> 01:08:46,547
Speaker 17: is going to be monumental. Monumental. That guy, Wayne Smith

1312
01:08:46,587 --> 01:08:48,907
Speaker 17: a's gold. He could go anywhere in the world, name

1313
01:08:48,947 --> 01:08:52,347
Speaker 17: as price. He's got the X factor that you and

1314
01:08:52,467 --> 01:08:56,147
Speaker 17: I and a lot of other people in general. He

1315
01:08:56,267 --> 01:08:58,907
Speaker 17: can see something within players and a game of a

1316
01:08:58,987 --> 01:09:03,947
Speaker 17: structure that we don't. He's just a genius and I

1317
01:09:04,067 --> 01:09:07,787
Speaker 17: think he's going to have a massive impact working with

1318
01:09:08,307 --> 01:09:12,387
Speaker 17: Razor and the team this week. And I wouldn't be

1319
01:09:12,507 --> 01:09:16,067
Speaker 17: surprised if it's an early night for the for the

1320
01:09:16,107 --> 01:09:17,547
Speaker 17: Wallaby's going home tonight.

1321
01:09:18,347 --> 01:09:22,027
Speaker 2: I hope you're right. I wonder, Christy, why Wayne Smith

1322
01:09:22,067 --> 01:09:24,307
Speaker 2: hasn't been there all along? He's been in that role

1323
01:09:24,427 --> 01:09:27,027
Speaker 2: of a sort of overseeing the high performance aspects of

1324
01:09:27,107 --> 01:09:30,187
Speaker 2: New Zealand rugby. Yeah, why why has it? Because it

1325
01:09:30,267 --> 01:09:32,507
Speaker 2: was highly publicized that he's in and around the team

1326
01:09:32,587 --> 01:09:35,547
Speaker 2: this week? I wonder with a new coach at the Helm, Yeah,

1327
01:09:35,747 --> 01:09:37,547
Speaker 2: but why hasn't he been there right from the start

1328
01:09:37,587 --> 01:09:39,267
Speaker 2: with a new coach like Razor at the Helm?

1329
01:09:40,667 --> 01:09:43,827
Speaker 17: Because he's retired and I'd say he's pretty staunch and

1330
01:09:43,947 --> 01:09:45,107
Speaker 17: values his retirement.

1331
01:09:45,787 --> 01:09:47,507
Speaker 2: No, but he's no, he's got official role with New

1332
01:09:47,547 --> 01:09:52,427
Speaker 2: Zealand Rugby. He's the yeah yeah, yeah, no, good question.

1333
01:09:52,627 --> 01:09:53,107
Speaker 25: Good question.

1334
01:09:54,107 --> 01:09:58,627
Speaker 17: That being said, I think Joe Schmidt, if he can

1335
01:09:58,867 --> 01:10:02,507
Speaker 17: have a great relationship with this Wallaby team at the moment,

1336
01:10:02,627 --> 01:10:06,707
Speaker 17: they will be extremely dangerous come next World Cup. I

1337
01:10:06,827 --> 01:10:10,347
Speaker 17: think these the makings of a really strong side once

1338
01:10:10,387 --> 01:10:13,667
Speaker 17: you get all the pieces together, get that chemistry happening.

1339
01:10:13,747 --> 01:10:17,387
Speaker 17: And chemistry is a slippery thing. It's either there, it's not.

1340
01:10:17,907 --> 01:10:21,307
Speaker 17: It's either coachable or it's not. Some players can be coached,

1341
01:10:21,627 --> 01:10:25,707
Speaker 17: some players can't. And once you get that chemistry an

1342
01:10:25,867 --> 01:10:28,707
Speaker 17: X factor going. But I think Wayne Smith he just

1343
01:10:29,107 --> 01:10:32,667
Speaker 17: had this X ray vision, he had this, he still

1344
01:10:32,787 --> 01:10:37,547
Speaker 17: has this incredible golden touch and insight, really humble for it,

1345
01:10:37,627 --> 01:10:40,707
Speaker 17: quiet and I think my instinct, I think I think

1346
01:10:40,787 --> 01:10:43,427
Speaker 17: he's going to have a massive influence on how the

1347
01:10:43,507 --> 01:10:45,187
Speaker 17: oven Blacks perform tonight.

1348
01:10:45,907 --> 01:10:47,907
Speaker 2: Very good one away from.

1349
01:10:47,787 --> 01:10:51,147
Speaker 17: This young Australian side, because I see massive potential with

1350
01:10:51,267 --> 01:10:53,587
Speaker 17: him and John Needles was right, you know, once they

1351
01:10:53,627 --> 01:10:57,747
Speaker 17: get trained to know how to conduct and compose themselves

1352
01:10:58,547 --> 01:11:01,387
Speaker 17: and work the game out and not panic and play

1353
01:11:01,427 --> 01:11:04,147
Speaker 17: the full, any minutes, keep going from strength to strength,

1354
01:11:04,427 --> 01:11:06,027
Speaker 17: they'll be a force to reckon with.

1355
01:11:06,667 --> 01:11:08,707
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think we will want that, Christie. I

1356
01:11:08,747 --> 01:11:10,707
Speaker 2: think we all want that. We want those old days.

1357
01:11:11,227 --> 01:11:13,987
Speaker 2: Excuse me, I want those old days back. We want

1358
01:11:14,027 --> 01:11:16,347
Speaker 2: to have a battle, and you know, not not one

1359
01:11:16,467 --> 01:11:19,107
Speaker 2: like last week where it's just all over the place

1360
01:11:19,187 --> 01:11:21,507
Speaker 2: and we started well and they weren't defending them. At

1361
01:11:21,507 --> 01:11:23,787
Speaker 2: the end we couldn't get any points. Those tests of

1362
01:11:23,867 --> 01:11:27,667
Speaker 2: two thousands more of that, there's what we're after. Good

1363
01:11:27,707 --> 01:11:32,907
Speaker 2: to chat to you, Christy, Chris who wins tonight hopefully

1364
01:11:35,347 --> 01:11:38,707
Speaker 2: you know it's very you don't have very certain Well.

1365
01:11:39,147 --> 01:11:41,827
Speaker 26: I talked to you this weekend before the game.

1366
01:11:42,267 --> 01:11:43,627
Speaker 2: Yes, how was it?

1367
01:11:43,827 --> 01:11:49,707
Speaker 14: And what a what a phenomenal environment it was as

1368
01:11:50,987 --> 01:11:53,667
Speaker 14: when us all blacks, we were getting up, all the

1369
01:11:53,867 --> 01:11:56,947
Speaker 14: pee wee's were going and screaming, but then the Ausies

1370
01:11:57,027 --> 01:12:00,827
Speaker 14: came back and they were starting to make some noise,

1371
01:12:01,627 --> 01:12:04,147
Speaker 14: and in the last ten minutes I was like, I've

1372
01:12:04,227 --> 01:12:05,587
Speaker 14: seen this happen before.

1373
01:12:06,747 --> 01:12:07,667
Speaker 3: That was a popper.

1374
01:12:08,307 --> 01:12:10,787
Speaker 7: That was the Propper Slitter.

1375
01:12:10,467 --> 01:12:13,987
Speaker 14: Slow Cup test match. And what I liked about that

1376
01:12:14,387 --> 01:12:17,987
Speaker 14: was a lot of people back in Jon were saying, oh,

1377
01:12:18,067 --> 01:12:22,147
Speaker 14: you know, the South Africans butchered the Aussies and we

1378
01:12:22,267 --> 01:12:24,987
Speaker 14: were closest that African, so we should butcher the Australians.

1379
01:12:25,467 --> 01:12:28,907
Speaker 14: But the Australians pipe up when they fight against us.

1380
01:12:29,667 --> 01:12:33,027
Speaker 27: And it was really cool to see what was going

1381
01:12:33,467 --> 01:12:36,907
Speaker 27: shop a couple of years thousand locals while I was waiting.

1382
01:12:36,907 --> 01:12:39,347
Speaker 27: Because I throw things and like biskips and stuff. I

1383
01:12:39,387 --> 01:12:43,707
Speaker 27: don't need dom Vans and the zoo market. So what

1384
01:12:43,907 --> 01:12:46,507
Speaker 27: happened is there was three of them that put a

1385
01:12:46,627 --> 01:12:53,187
Speaker 27: scoon on with me. The Aussies are confident after they

1386
01:12:53,347 --> 01:12:57,587
Speaker 27: saw that result, so this is really cool.

1387
01:12:58,067 --> 01:13:00,507
Speaker 26: The rugby has come back into the spectrum of them

1388
01:13:00,587 --> 01:13:05,867
Speaker 26: being a weird as a Wallaby, and not that the

1389
01:13:07,067 --> 01:13:11,667
Speaker 26: that they have the underheaded Jones or Checker. They know

1390
01:13:11,867 --> 01:13:13,507
Speaker 26: that there's something brewy here.

1391
01:13:16,427 --> 01:13:18,787
Speaker 2: I hope it continues to brew, Chris. I hope it

1392
01:13:18,827 --> 01:13:24,627
Speaker 2: continues to brew. A strong Trans Tasman rivalry and uncertainty

1393
01:13:24,747 --> 01:13:26,387
Speaker 2: from week to week as to who's going to win

1394
01:13:27,267 --> 01:13:29,827
Speaker 2: is absolutely crucial to rug me down this part of

1395
01:13:29,827 --> 01:13:31,307
Speaker 2: the world. And as I say that, actually I think

1396
01:13:31,387 --> 01:13:35,027
Speaker 2: back and it's not as though we've run over the

1397
01:13:35,107 --> 01:13:36,827
Speaker 2: top of them. Even though we've had the bledislough for

1398
01:13:36,947 --> 01:13:40,667
Speaker 2: so long. That's been based largely on, of course, winning

1399
01:13:41,467 --> 01:13:46,427
Speaker 2: often just one game. You know, Australia do raise their

1400
01:13:46,467 --> 01:13:48,347
Speaker 2: game when they play us. Last week was a great

1401
01:13:48,387 --> 01:13:52,107
Speaker 2: example of that. They'll probably do it again tonight. Even

1402
01:13:52,147 --> 01:13:56,187
Speaker 2: though they had sixty one on them by Argentina, they

1403
01:13:56,267 --> 01:14:00,947
Speaker 2: still got within three of beating us last week. Looking

1404
01:14:00,987 --> 01:14:03,067
Speaker 2: forward to the Test match more to come eighteen away

1405
01:14:03,107 --> 01:14:05,587
Speaker 2: from two. Will cross the Tasman again when we come

1406
01:14:05,667 --> 01:14:09,147
Speaker 2: back and tattoo our Aussie correspondent Ed Peacock.

1407
01:14:11,627 --> 01:14:13,467
Speaker 1: Live from the Cake Tin and Wellington. They ate of

1408
01:14:13,507 --> 01:14:16,867
Speaker 1: all blacks, be Australia. It's weekend Sport with Jason Vine

1409
01:14:17,027 --> 01:14:20,947
Speaker 1: and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder News

1410
01:14:21,027 --> 01:14:22,467
Speaker 1: talks be one.

1411
01:14:23,147 --> 01:14:26,067
Speaker 2: Let's get you across the Tessmonstrating correspondent Ed Peacocks whe

1412
01:14:26,107 --> 01:14:28,827
Speaker 2: a bleat uslow to this evening Adam to the narrow

1413
01:14:28,907 --> 01:14:31,027
Speaker 2: defeat last weekend. Give you a bit of optimism the

1414
01:14:31,067 --> 01:14:32,267
Speaker 2: Wallabies could win tonight.

1415
01:14:33,507 --> 01:14:35,467
Speaker 10: More optimism than twenty minutes into the game.

1416
01:14:35,547 --> 01:14:35,867
Speaker 4: Pie It.

1417
01:14:37,467 --> 01:14:40,107
Speaker 10: The red the balance of the game gave optimism that

1418
01:14:40,827 --> 01:14:44,547
Speaker 10: Joe Schmid he's not really into noble losses or close losses.

1419
01:14:44,587 --> 01:14:47,027
Speaker 10: He's in about building something and that twenty minutes obviously

1420
01:14:47,107 --> 01:14:49,547
Speaker 10: wasn't good enough. They they need to be better than that,

1421
01:14:50,347 --> 01:14:52,707
Speaker 10: and some set piece is still that they need a

1422
01:14:52,747 --> 01:14:54,867
Speaker 10: lot of work on. But they're they're things that over

1423
01:14:54,987 --> 01:14:58,747
Speaker 10: time evolve. It's not like the new coach can go

1424
01:14:58,907 --> 01:15:01,027
Speaker 10: and click a finger, Oh the scrums better? Are the

1425
01:15:01,107 --> 01:15:03,547
Speaker 10: lineouts better? Like that, there are things that they need

1426
01:15:03,627 --> 01:15:06,667
Speaker 10: to work on because like maybe the fat brick of

1427
01:15:06,667 --> 01:15:09,947
Speaker 10: Australian rugby doesn't teach the fundamentals well enough, so when

1428
01:15:09,987 --> 01:15:11,947
Speaker 10: you get to that stage up against the lead opposition

1429
01:15:12,067 --> 01:15:14,347
Speaker 10: like the All Blacks are and like the Northern Atmisphere

1430
01:15:14,387 --> 01:15:17,827
Speaker 10: teams in South Africa, you're going to get exposed. So yeah,

1431
01:15:17,867 --> 01:15:20,347
Speaker 10: there's there's a little bit more hope at the end

1432
01:15:20,387 --> 01:15:22,987
Speaker 10: of that game than there was minute midway through because

1433
01:15:22,987 --> 01:15:25,867
Speaker 10: they thought they were watching another all of his all

1434
01:15:25,907 --> 01:15:28,227
Speaker 10: of his performance that they dished up in Argentina.

1435
01:15:28,307 --> 01:15:29,187
Speaker 19: For instance, we.

1436
01:15:29,267 --> 01:15:32,347
Speaker 2: Had David Campezi on the show last weekend on Sunday

1437
01:15:32,387 --> 01:15:34,787
Speaker 2: and he, I don't know whether this is a theme

1438
01:15:34,827 --> 01:15:37,187
Speaker 2: that's common. You might know he's not a big fan

1439
01:15:37,267 --> 01:15:40,427
Speaker 2: of having a non Australian as coach of the Australian

1440
01:15:40,507 --> 01:15:42,587
Speaker 2: rugby team. Is that a widely held view?

1441
01:15:44,347 --> 01:15:47,387
Speaker 10: Not by me, not by some fans. But I can

1442
01:15:47,427 --> 01:15:49,907
Speaker 10: get Campo's point of view because he's put on the jersey,

1443
01:15:50,027 --> 01:15:54,267
Speaker 10: So I get he might go back to his days

1444
01:15:54,307 --> 01:15:56,067
Speaker 10: when he was sitting there and he'd rather hear from

1445
01:15:56,627 --> 01:15:59,587
Speaker 10: someone who knows where he's from, his backstory, all those

1446
01:15:59,667 --> 01:16:02,387
Speaker 10: things that go into it you take time to pick

1447
01:16:02,467 --> 01:16:05,947
Speaker 10: up if you're from beyond our boarders, So I get

1448
01:16:05,987 --> 01:16:08,867
Speaker 10: what can post saying it's not I don't think he

1449
01:16:08,947 --> 01:16:11,707
Speaker 10: means any xenophobia, vite or anything like that. He just

1450
01:16:12,747 --> 01:16:15,587
Speaker 10: he probably feels that the Australian jersey means more to

1451
01:16:15,667 --> 01:16:18,787
Speaker 10: an Australian than it does to others, and that goes

1452
01:16:18,907 --> 01:16:21,507
Speaker 10: the coach as well. But I don't subscribe to that theory.

1453
01:16:21,547 --> 01:16:24,827
Speaker 10: I'm very much a best person for the job, whether

1454
01:16:24,947 --> 01:16:29,587
Speaker 10: they be male, female, kiwek Irish, Australian, don't care. And

1455
01:16:29,827 --> 01:16:32,027
Speaker 10: I reckon judgment's up there with one of the best

1456
01:16:32,027 --> 01:16:32,787
Speaker 10: available options.

1457
01:16:32,907 --> 01:16:35,387
Speaker 2: All right, we look forward to this afternoon for you,

1458
01:16:35,547 --> 01:16:38,787
Speaker 2: this evening for us. It's a big day in Australia.

1459
01:16:38,827 --> 01:16:41,947
Speaker 2: AFL Grand Final Sidney Swan's Brisbane lines at the Melbourne

1460
01:16:41,947 --> 01:16:47,027
Speaker 2: Cricket Ground. So two non Victorian teams are Swan's slight favorites.

1461
01:16:48,387 --> 01:16:51,347
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, that's been the best side for the majority

1462
01:16:51,387 --> 01:16:53,907
Speaker 10: of the year. They had a really weird kind of

1463
01:16:54,107 --> 01:16:57,787
Speaker 10: free quarter point period where they just dropped games for

1464
01:16:57,867 --> 01:17:00,547
Speaker 10: fun after going undefeated for so long to start the season.

1465
01:17:00,667 --> 01:17:04,427
Speaker 10: But Brisbane have just shown this tenacity and they got

1466
01:17:04,427 --> 01:17:07,067
Speaker 10: to a Grand Final last year that this ability in

1467
01:17:07,107 --> 01:17:09,507
Speaker 10: bigger gains to kind of just stay in it and

1468
01:17:09,587 --> 01:17:12,707
Speaker 10: then be really really good when it counted, So that

1469
01:17:13,187 --> 01:17:16,707
Speaker 10: that kind of puts the market the squeeze on the market,

1470
01:17:16,747 --> 01:17:19,587
Speaker 10: I reckon, like if Brisbane didn't get to the Grand Final,

1471
01:17:19,627 --> 01:17:22,947
Speaker 10: of manner they did, Swans are probably dollar thirty favorites.

1472
01:17:23,067 --> 01:17:27,027
Speaker 10: But yeah, I can see a tight game especially and

1473
01:17:27,307 --> 01:17:31,267
Speaker 10: it's it's kind of captured. Sydney has captured Brisbane has

1474
01:17:31,307 --> 01:17:33,867
Speaker 10: captured Melbourne of course, because these two clubs actually started

1475
01:17:33,947 --> 01:17:36,347
Speaker 10: in Melbourne or know the.

1476
01:17:38,627 --> 01:17:39,547
Speaker 20: A big part of the club.

1477
01:17:39,627 --> 01:17:41,747
Speaker 10: It was South Melbourne for Sydney and it was Fitzroy

1478
01:17:41,827 --> 01:17:45,347
Speaker 10: for Brisbane before mergers and relocations happened for various reasons.

1479
01:17:45,427 --> 01:17:47,747
Speaker 10: So Yeah, there's a bit of everywhere in the country

1480
01:17:47,867 --> 01:17:49,747
Speaker 10: kind of involved in this one to day and they're

1481
01:17:49,787 --> 01:17:52,267
Speaker 10: expecting record ratings on TV for it because of that.

1482
01:17:53,067 --> 01:17:56,347
Speaker 2: And to the NRL Week three of the finals before

1483
01:17:56,387 --> 01:17:58,987
Speaker 2: the Grand Final next weekend. The Stormer they're far too

1484
01:17:59,067 --> 01:18:01,347
Speaker 2: good for the Roosters last night. I actually thought the

1485
01:18:01,467 --> 01:18:03,547
Speaker 2: Roosters were a good team until I saw them play

1486
01:18:03,627 --> 01:18:08,467
Speaker 2: Melbourne last night. Any chance to Sharks upset Penrith tonight

1487
01:18:08,707 --> 01:18:10,547
Speaker 2: or are we storm Panthers next weekend?

1488
01:18:11,507 --> 01:18:11,707
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1489
01:18:11,947 --> 01:18:14,627
Speaker 10: About a week ago, Piney or less than a week ago.

1490
01:18:14,707 --> 01:18:17,467
Speaker 10: After the two games were set, I thought, I can't

1491
01:18:17,467 --> 01:18:19,627
Speaker 10: see either of these two sides getting closer. If there

1492
01:18:19,667 --> 01:18:20,827
Speaker 10: was going to be one of them, it was going

1493
01:18:20,867 --> 01:18:24,787
Speaker 10: to be the Roosters. And I mean, first first tackle

1494
01:18:24,827 --> 01:18:27,987
Speaker 10: of the game, they lose their starting front rower Lindsay Collins,

1495
01:18:28,067 --> 01:18:30,467
Speaker 10: with stuffed their rotations up on the bench and you

1496
01:18:30,547 --> 01:18:33,547
Speaker 10: know Lindsay Collins is He's a world class player, so

1497
01:18:34,187 --> 01:18:36,707
Speaker 10: he dropped out and in the end, I mean Melbourne

1498
01:18:36,747 --> 01:18:38,907
Speaker 10: were just too good and they picked apart. Melbourne is

1499
01:18:38,947 --> 01:18:41,947
Speaker 10: so good at picking a deceived weakness of a team

1500
01:18:41,987 --> 01:18:43,867
Speaker 10: and then really going at it and making him to

1501
01:18:43,947 --> 01:18:46,507
Speaker 10: a gaping wound and that's what they did yesterday with

1502
01:18:46,947 --> 01:18:50,027
Speaker 10: Luke Keary in his defense, unable to get the protection

1503
01:18:50,187 --> 01:18:51,947
Speaker 10: to him, so they blew him apart in the first

1504
01:18:51,987 --> 01:18:54,667
Speaker 10: half tonight. I can see the same thing happened. Penrith

1505
01:18:54,707 --> 01:18:57,027
Speaker 10: are just so good at being just robotic in what

1506
01:18:57,147 --> 01:18:59,027
Speaker 10: they do at a million miles an hour and I

1507
01:18:59,067 --> 01:19:02,547
Speaker 10: don't think Sharks could cope with them. Unfortunately, And just before.

1508
01:19:02,307 --> 01:19:05,107
Speaker 2: You go, hi, excitement here in New Zealand yesterday with

1509
01:19:05,427 --> 01:19:07,947
Speaker 2: confirmation that Leam laws And will have a Formula One

1510
01:19:08,067 --> 01:19:10,147
Speaker 2: drive for the rest of this year and presumably that

1511
01:19:10,227 --> 01:19:11,987
Speaker 2: he does well, he'll keep the seat next year at

1512
01:19:12,027 --> 01:19:14,107
Speaker 2: red Ball. This of course is at the expense of

1513
01:19:14,147 --> 01:19:18,187
Speaker 2: Australian Daniel Ricardo. What's the reaction been on your side

1514
01:19:18,187 --> 01:19:18,947
Speaker 2: of the Tasman to this.

1515
01:19:20,067 --> 01:19:23,107
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's nothing to do with Liam Laws And I

1516
01:19:23,147 --> 01:19:25,467
Speaker 10: don't think there's any shade been thrown at him. It's

1517
01:19:25,507 --> 01:19:27,747
Speaker 10: not his fault. He's just a good young driver waiting

1518
01:19:27,787 --> 01:19:30,867
Speaker 10: for an opportunity like Oscar Piastre, like Daniel Ricardo did

1519
01:19:30,947 --> 01:19:35,187
Speaker 10: back in the day. Purely down to Red Bull and

1520
01:19:35,267 --> 01:19:38,907
Speaker 10: how they've handled this. It's been an abomination. I think

1521
01:19:40,027 --> 01:19:42,667
Speaker 10: I think Lean was on your radio station earlier in

1522
01:19:42,707 --> 01:19:44,747
Speaker 10: the week with your breakfast presenter saying that, yeah, I

1523
01:19:45,307 --> 01:19:46,987
Speaker 10: kind of got wind of this that this was going

1524
01:19:47,067 --> 01:19:48,987
Speaker 10: to happen two weeks ago. Oh that was the case.

1525
01:19:49,027 --> 01:19:52,507
Speaker 10: Give Daniel the due course of a proper sendoff when

1526
01:19:52,507 --> 01:19:55,107
Speaker 10: it happens last weekend in Singapore. Instead, he just kind

1527
01:19:55,147 --> 01:19:56,947
Speaker 10: of had to guess for himself and then make his

1528
01:19:57,067 --> 01:20:01,067
Speaker 10: own kind of feelings clear at that Grand Prix, whereas

1529
01:20:02,667 --> 01:20:07,547
Speaker 10: it was really really average human behavior I thought from

1530
01:20:08,027 --> 01:20:10,507
Speaker 10: the people at Red Bull about not fronting up and

1531
01:20:10,627 --> 01:20:12,067
Speaker 10: not owning their decision.

1532
01:20:12,187 --> 01:20:12,827
Speaker 19: Make the decision.

1533
01:20:12,867 --> 01:20:15,147
Speaker 10: It's fine. The kid's a good driver, obviously, Lamb Lawson.

1534
01:20:15,387 --> 01:20:18,787
Speaker 10: There's an outside chance that if Sergio Perez drives like

1535
01:20:18,827 --> 01:20:20,867
Speaker 10: a bustard for the rest of the year, that Lamb

1536
01:20:20,947 --> 01:20:23,267
Speaker 10: could be elevated into the main Red Bull team because

1537
01:20:23,347 --> 01:20:26,827
Speaker 10: he's gone into the kind of the junior team. So like,

1538
01:20:27,107 --> 01:20:29,627
Speaker 10: just own your decision and it's fine. Everyone will get

1539
01:20:29,667 --> 01:20:32,147
Speaker 10: on And I think Daniel Ricardo would have appreciated that

1540
01:20:32,227 --> 01:20:34,347
Speaker 10: as well. So that's where all the angst from Australia

1541
01:20:34,387 --> 01:20:36,987
Speaker 10: has come this week, because he's so loved over here.

1542
01:20:37,107 --> 01:20:38,227
Speaker 10: Daniel Roccardo and will.

1543
01:20:38,067 --> 01:20:40,187
Speaker 13: Continue to be so yeah, and what knicks for him?

1544
01:20:40,227 --> 01:20:42,907
Speaker 2: Does he mean he probably won't drive Formula one again?

1545
01:20:42,947 --> 01:20:43,787
Speaker 2: Will he will he stay in.

1546
01:20:43,787 --> 01:20:44,747
Speaker 13: A car of some sort.

1547
01:20:45,707 --> 01:20:48,867
Speaker 10: No, these guys get opportunities to drive here. He'll come

1548
01:20:48,907 --> 01:20:50,907
Speaker 10: back and drive things like Bathist. That wouldn't be surprised

1549
01:20:50,947 --> 01:20:53,187
Speaker 10: if he ends up in Indy car and things like that.

1550
01:20:53,267 --> 01:20:55,187
Speaker 10: There's so many options. He can drive the mine and

1551
01:20:55,427 --> 01:21:00,987
Speaker 10: he can drive various freelancers, just go around the world

1552
01:21:01,227 --> 01:21:04,107
Speaker 10: and drive races. Nothing like the thriller and glamour of

1553
01:21:04,147 --> 01:21:07,107
Speaker 10: Formula One. He apparently had the opportunity to become the

1554
01:21:07,147 --> 01:21:09,067
Speaker 10: reserve driver again of Red Bull and he told him

1555
01:21:09,067 --> 01:21:11,667
Speaker 10: where to stick it. So I can I can understand

1556
01:21:11,707 --> 01:21:13,787
Speaker 10: that unless something's changed in the last twenty four hours.

1557
01:21:13,787 --> 01:21:17,027
Speaker 10: But mate, one thing I know about Daniel Ricardo, he'll

1558
01:21:17,027 --> 01:21:20,147
Speaker 10: get on with life and he'll be okay. He's done

1559
01:21:20,187 --> 01:21:22,427
Speaker 10: pretty well for itself. So it's it's not like the

1560
01:21:23,347 --> 01:21:25,507
Speaker 10: end of the world for him. And it's oh my god,

1561
01:21:25,547 --> 01:21:27,267
Speaker 10: he's having us written where's He's going to live?

1562
01:21:27,307 --> 01:21:27,707
Speaker 11: Type thing.

1563
01:21:28,067 --> 01:21:30,267
Speaker 10: It's just how you treat people, and that's the thing.

1564
01:21:30,507 --> 01:21:33,787
Speaker 10: And I think Daniel Ricardo's coming come out looking better

1565
01:21:33,867 --> 01:21:35,787
Speaker 10: out of this than certainly his exposes.

1566
01:21:35,987 --> 01:21:38,907
Speaker 2: Absolutely right. Hey Adam, always great to chat Australian sport

1567
01:21:38,987 --> 01:21:40,787
Speaker 2: with you. Thanks for your time this afternoon. We'll do

1568
01:21:40,827 --> 01:21:41,627
Speaker 2: it again next Saturday.

1569
01:21:41,827 --> 01:21:42,787
Speaker 10: Kire's piney go to war.

1570
01:21:44,747 --> 01:21:48,187
Speaker 2: I I those thoughts mate, but to jenty none of

1571
01:21:48,187 --> 01:21:51,387
Speaker 2: the list. Adam Peacock part of our Saturday Afternoons. Our

1572
01:21:51,387 --> 01:21:55,147
Speaker 2: Australian corresponded every Saturday about this time on Weekend Sport.

1573
01:21:55,267 --> 01:21:58,067
Speaker 2: This time is seven away from away from.

1574
01:21:57,987 --> 01:22:02,587
Speaker 1: Two, analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting world.

1575
01:22:02,787 --> 01:22:07,867
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Pills Talks.

1576
01:22:07,707 --> 01:22:11,387
Speaker 2: NB four to two updating Pharah Palmer Cup Premiership semi final.

1577
01:22:11,507 --> 01:22:14,227
Speaker 2: Canterbury have scored two tries in the last three minutes

1578
01:22:14,307 --> 01:22:17,787
Speaker 2: to get up over Counties Monaco in Pokacoe thirty six

1579
01:22:17,947 --> 01:22:20,507
Speaker 2: thirty one and earn a place in next weekend's final.

1580
01:22:20,747 --> 01:22:22,987
Speaker 2: They'll play the winner of the White Cuttle Auckland Storm

1581
01:22:23,027 --> 01:22:26,507
Speaker 2: match set to get underway around two thirty five. After

1582
01:22:26,627 --> 01:22:30,427
Speaker 2: two Eddie McGuire, one of the most recognizable voices in

1583
01:22:30,667 --> 01:22:34,947
Speaker 2: the media in Australia, tied very very tightly to AFL

1584
01:22:35,107 --> 01:22:37,907
Speaker 2: Australian rules football and of the Grand Final this afternoon.

1585
01:22:37,987 --> 01:22:41,307
Speaker 2: Sydney Swan's Brisbane Lines at the MCG also cover off

1586
01:22:41,507 --> 01:22:45,587
Speaker 2: NURL Week three of the finals and the black.

1587
01:22:45,427 --> 01:22:50,827
Speaker 1: Caps counting down to the second Glenislow Coup Test. Live

1588
01:22:50,987 --> 01:22:55,227
Speaker 1: from sky Stadium, Wellington. It's Weekend Sport with Jason Vine

1589
01:22:55,427 --> 01:22:57,987
Speaker 1: on your home of Sport News Talks NB.

1590
01:22:59,267 --> 01:23:01,587
Speaker 2: Yes, Hello and welcome back into the show. At six

1591
01:23:01,707 --> 01:23:04,347
Speaker 2: past two as we come to your life from sky Stadium,

1592
01:23:04,507 --> 01:23:06,187
Speaker 2: don't forget Our build up to the Test match to

1593
01:23:06,587 --> 01:23:09,667
Speaker 2: starts after our use at six, so an hour of

1594
01:23:09,747 --> 01:23:13,147
Speaker 2: build up between then and kickoff just after seven o'clock.

1595
01:23:13,187 --> 01:23:15,987
Speaker 2: Elliott Smith as the microphone as always tonight our rugby

1596
01:23:16,107 --> 01:23:19,307
Speaker 2: editor and lead commentator, joined in the commentary box by

1597
01:23:19,467 --> 01:23:22,507
Speaker 2: Ross Bond. I'll be down sideline trying to get a

1598
01:23:22,547 --> 01:23:24,507
Speaker 2: close up view. But our build up, as I say,

1599
01:23:24,587 --> 01:23:29,347
Speaker 2: starts after six o'clock tonight, building towards kickoff just after seven.

1600
01:23:30,267 --> 01:23:32,667
Speaker 2: This hour, we're going to pivot away from the rugby

1601
01:23:32,907 --> 01:23:35,027
Speaker 2: just ever so slightly, because there is other sport to

1602
01:23:35,147 --> 01:23:36,867
Speaker 2: focus on quite a bit of it on the other

1603
01:23:37,267 --> 01:23:40,907
Speaker 2: side of the Tasman actually AFL Grand Final this afternoon.

1604
01:23:40,987 --> 01:23:44,987
Speaker 2: The biggest day on the Australian sporting calendar. The Melbourne

1605
01:23:44,987 --> 01:23:47,787
Speaker 2: Cricket Ground will be jam packed for the final between

1606
01:23:48,107 --> 01:23:52,187
Speaker 2: two non Victorian teams. The Sydney Swans and the Brisbane

1607
01:23:52,267 --> 01:23:56,027
Speaker 2: Lions are the two grand finalists. Eddie McGuire standing by

1608
01:23:56,067 --> 01:23:57,987
Speaker 2: to have a chat to us about that. We've got

1609
01:23:58,067 --> 01:24:02,627
Speaker 2: one of our grand finalists in the NRL. Melbourne Storm

1610
01:24:02,707 --> 01:24:07,627
Speaker 2: fans rejoice. What an absolute slack of the Roosters last night.

1611
01:24:07,707 --> 01:24:09,867
Speaker 2: Well on the scoreboard it was anyway, presumably it was

1612
01:24:09,987 --> 01:24:12,787
Speaker 2: on the grass too. Jake Duke out of Fox Sport's

1613
01:24:12,827 --> 01:24:15,187
Speaker 2: going to break that down for us and it just

1614
01:24:15,307 --> 01:24:18,907
Speaker 2: feels like an inevitability that it'll be the Panthers who

1615
01:24:18,947 --> 01:24:21,787
Speaker 2: face them in the final next weekend. But are the

1616
01:24:21,867 --> 01:24:24,587
Speaker 2: Sharks a chance tonight? We'll cover that off and over

1617
01:24:24,747 --> 01:24:28,867
Speaker 2: in gall I'm struggling to remember a worst couple of

1618
01:24:28,947 --> 01:24:31,507
Speaker 2: days of Test cricket for New Zealand Sri Lanka six

1619
01:24:31,667 --> 01:24:35,667
Speaker 2: hundred and two for five declared. We're twenty two for two,

1620
01:24:36,267 --> 01:24:38,467
Speaker 2: so what's that? A deficit of five hundred and eighty

1621
01:24:38,587 --> 01:24:41,987
Speaker 2: runs eight first of things, wickets left three days to play.

1622
01:24:42,947 --> 01:24:45,627
Speaker 2: I mean the winds off the table for us. Can

1623
01:24:45,707 --> 01:24:48,467
Speaker 2: we salvage something in terms of some credibility A draw

1624
01:24:49,147 --> 01:24:50,707
Speaker 2: Ronnie here are going to break it down for us.

1625
01:24:51,267 --> 01:24:54,587
Speaker 2: More thoughts coming on the rugby. If you'd like them

1626
01:24:54,627 --> 01:24:56,467
Speaker 2: to be part of the show, please feel free to

1627
01:24:56,507 --> 01:24:59,227
Speaker 2: text them through nine two nine two O eight hundred

1628
01:24:59,227 --> 01:25:01,427
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty is and a'mble to call if

1629
01:25:01,427 --> 01:25:03,187
Speaker 2: you'd like to get through on the phones. But with

1630
01:25:03,347 --> 01:25:06,747
Speaker 2: the time approaching nine pass two, as we always to

1631
01:25:06,747 --> 01:25:08,787
Speaker 2: do it around about this time, it is time to

1632
01:25:08,827 --> 01:25:11,347
Speaker 2: bring you up today with the things that may have

1633
01:25:11,507 --> 01:25:13,627
Speaker 2: escaped your attention. There's a lot of sport going on

1634
01:25:13,707 --> 01:25:16,307
Speaker 2: at the moment and it's impossible, I'm sure, for you

1635
01:25:16,387 --> 01:25:17,027
Speaker 2: to keep your eyes.

1636
01:25:17,067 --> 01:25:17,907
Speaker 4: And he is on all of it.

1637
01:25:18,387 --> 01:25:22,987
Speaker 2: Andy McDonald has though it's his world famous and cassiaistic feature.

1638
01:25:23,027 --> 01:25:27,147
Speaker 2: Starting with the Australian National Basketball League season into week

1639
01:25:27,307 --> 01:25:31,107
Speaker 2: two and the Elawora Hawks spurred on to a win

1640
01:25:31,187 --> 01:25:34,547
Speaker 2: over the Brisbane Bullets by their star Trey Kel.

1641
01:25:34,987 --> 01:25:36,307
Speaker 13: I'll give it to Trey, call and get out of

1642
01:25:36,307 --> 01:25:40,387
Speaker 13: the eight. Then they get over that thirty eight point mark,

1643
01:25:40,467 --> 01:25:42,627
Speaker 13: the highest scoring first quarter of all of US season.

1644
01:25:42,667 --> 01:25:44,507
Speaker 13: Here is California.

1645
01:25:45,587 --> 01:25:50,587
Speaker 2: Wall He's giving them hell at the Elaora Hawks won

1646
01:25:50,707 --> 01:25:52,987
Speaker 2: thirteen to one oh one over the Bullets. In the

1647
01:25:53,267 --> 01:25:56,787
Speaker 2: NFL American Football, the Dallas Cowboys picking up a win

1648
01:25:56,867 --> 01:26:00,547
Speaker 2: over Division rivals the New York Giants, second year out

1649
01:26:00,587 --> 01:26:01,627
Speaker 2: of North Dakota State.

1650
01:26:01,867 --> 01:26:05,227
Speaker 13: To the sideline, here goes Lamb, you get string on

1651
01:26:05,347 --> 01:26:07,747
Speaker 13: the inside, Lamb.

1652
01:26:07,787 --> 01:26:08,187
Speaker 4: What's that?

1653
01:26:09,307 --> 01:26:13,827
Speaker 2: Twenty fifteen the score to the Cowboys. Meantime, in cricket,

1654
01:26:14,427 --> 01:26:18,067
Speaker 2: England surging to a big One Day International win over Australia,

1655
01:26:18,467 --> 01:26:25,627
Speaker 2: giving Mitchell Stark an undesired record wild slapped not for

1656
01:26:25,747 --> 01:26:26,667
Speaker 2: six but fourth.

1657
01:26:28,307 --> 01:26:30,067
Speaker 24: What an innings from Liam Livingstone.

1658
01:26:30,347 --> 01:26:35,867
Speaker 2: Final over goes for twenty eight outstanding from England. England

1659
01:26:35,907 --> 01:26:39,147
Speaker 2: three twelve for five Australia one hundred and twenty six

1660
01:26:39,227 --> 01:26:43,067
Speaker 2: all out. As mentioned in the NRL, the Melbourne Storm

1661
01:26:43,107 --> 01:26:45,947
Speaker 2: are back in the Grand Final forty two away.

1662
01:26:46,747 --> 01:26:48,907
Speaker 28: Is a bold stunt battle of buns.

1663
01:26:48,667 --> 01:26:52,707
Speaker 2: To old gadad again melvotstant'st a.

1664
01:26:52,707 --> 01:27:02,547
Speaker 28: Da Melburn read fidalists Melbourne Are they premiership favorites based

1665
01:27:02,627 --> 01:27:02,867
Speaker 28: on this?

1666
01:27:03,667 --> 01:27:06,107
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think they probably are forty eight eighteen as

1667
01:27:06,187 --> 01:27:08,987
Speaker 2: me and I'm glad you put this in Andy. An

1668
01:27:09,027 --> 01:27:13,507
Speaker 2: astonishing performance in Booker Coey and the Bunnings MPC last

1669
01:27:13,627 --> 01:27:17,747
Speaker 2: night with Counties Manekow giving it to the Wellington Lions.

1670
01:27:18,507 --> 01:27:22,827
Speaker 2: It all goes over from the penalty County's Lunaco for

1671
01:27:22,947 --> 01:27:26,507
Speaker 2: the first time since nineteen ninety.

1672
01:27:26,347 --> 01:27:29,027
Speaker 11: Six they have beaten Wellington.

1673
01:27:29,107 --> 01:27:32,987
Speaker 10: Hold me O Bone Patch at Booker Koey by the.

1674
01:27:33,587 --> 01:27:39,547
Speaker 2: Astonishing score expressively one points to twelve.

1675
01:27:41,107 --> 01:27:46,747
Speaker 1: From breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic weekend

1676
01:27:46,867 --> 01:27:49,787
Speaker 1: sport with Jason him News Talk ZMB.

1677
01:27:50,427 --> 01:27:53,787
Speaker 2: I watched that game last night, couldn't believe what I

1678
01:27:53,947 --> 01:27:58,907
Speaker 2: was seeing. County's Manico absolutely shell lacking the Wellington Lions.

1679
01:27:59,507 --> 01:28:02,547
Speaker 2: The Lions will still make the quarterfinals obviously, but yeah,

1680
01:28:02,947 --> 01:28:06,027
Speaker 2: that wasn't their best night at the office. It is

1681
01:28:06,107 --> 01:28:09,587
Speaker 2: fair to say twelve past two it is the biggest

1682
01:28:09,707 --> 01:28:13,747
Speaker 2: day on the Australian sporting calendar Australian Rules Football, the

1683
01:28:13,907 --> 01:28:16,627
Speaker 2: AFL Grand Final between these two.

1684
01:28:19,027 --> 01:28:25,147
Speaker 23: Who they're through to the Grand Final in a show

1685
01:28:26,707 --> 01:28:30,107
Speaker 23: at their sixth play all the season. This has been

1686
01:28:30,187 --> 01:28:31,107
Speaker 23: for the Sydney Swans.

1687
01:28:31,467 --> 01:28:34,187
Speaker 28: Those that were here will never forget what they saw.

1688
01:28:36,147 --> 01:28:39,187
Speaker 28: Brisbane just had unfinished business.

1689
01:28:38,907 --> 01:28:42,787
Speaker 2: To attend to at the MC two and they will.

1690
01:28:42,707 --> 01:28:46,307
Speaker 28: Get their chance next week against the Sidneys.

1691
01:28:46,347 --> 01:28:50,027
Speaker 2: Thus and next week is today. It is the Sydney

1692
01:28:50,067 --> 01:28:52,867
Speaker 2: Swans and the Brisbane Line set to do battle at

1693
01:28:52,947 --> 01:28:55,947
Speaker 2: the iconic Melbourne Cricket Ground four point thirty this afternoon

1694
01:28:55,987 --> 01:29:00,187
Speaker 2: New Zealand time, two thirty local time in Victoria. It's

1695
01:29:00,227 --> 01:29:03,027
Speaker 2: a massive pleasure to welcome in a man's synonymous with

1696
01:29:03,147 --> 01:29:07,227
Speaker 2: AFL and its broadcast coverage in so many different capacities,

1697
01:29:07,587 --> 01:29:10,107
Speaker 2: and a very familiar voice on both sides of the

1698
01:29:10,227 --> 01:29:13,547
Speaker 2: Tasman Eddie McGuire. Of course, Eddie, welcome to Weekend Sport

1699
01:29:13,587 --> 01:29:16,307
Speaker 2: on news Talks. He'd be first of all, how unusual

1700
01:29:16,507 --> 01:29:19,387
Speaker 2: is it to have two non Victorian teams in the

1701
01:29:19,427 --> 01:29:19,987
Speaker 2: Grand Final.

1702
01:29:20,987 --> 01:29:23,627
Speaker 9: Well, it's been something that's building over the years. You know,

1703
01:29:24,027 --> 01:29:26,627
Speaker 9: you go back to nineteen ninety when the Victorian Football

1704
01:29:26,707 --> 01:29:30,907
Speaker 9: League became the Australian Football League and you know within

1705
01:29:31,027 --> 01:29:33,147
Speaker 9: two years the West Coast Eagles from Perth had won it.

1706
01:29:33,547 --> 01:29:35,907
Speaker 9: They wanted again two years later and Adelaide won it

1707
01:29:35,947 --> 01:29:38,667
Speaker 9: twice within the first nine years, so that all built

1708
01:29:38,747 --> 01:29:40,987
Speaker 9: up and then the two thousands you had the prism

1709
01:29:41,027 --> 01:29:43,027
Speaker 9: of Lines winning three in a row and I think

1710
01:29:43,067 --> 01:29:44,667
Speaker 9: there was about five years in a row where there

1711
01:29:44,667 --> 01:29:46,947
Speaker 9: were two non Victorian teams in it, but it's been

1712
01:29:46,947 --> 01:29:49,667
Speaker 9: about sixteen years since that happened. But look at the

1713
01:29:49,747 --> 01:29:53,347
Speaker 9: national competition these days and there's two teams in Queensland,

1714
01:29:53,427 --> 01:29:57,107
Speaker 9: New South Wales, Western Australia, South Australia. So there's chances

1715
01:29:57,147 --> 01:29:58,707
Speaker 9: that these teams are going to get there eventually. But

1716
01:29:58,787 --> 01:30:00,947
Speaker 9: look there there are two great teams that both been

1717
01:30:01,507 --> 01:30:04,427
Speaker 9: last year. Brisbane are unlucky against my boys Collingwood in

1718
01:30:04,427 --> 01:30:07,107
Speaker 9: the Grand Final, missed by a kick, and the City's

1719
01:30:07,147 --> 01:30:09,187
Speaker 9: one's been on top of all later basically all year

1720
01:30:09,227 --> 01:30:12,427
Speaker 9: and have played their final series perfectly, so all set

1721
01:30:12,467 --> 01:30:13,027
Speaker 9: for a big day.

1722
01:30:13,227 --> 01:30:15,307
Speaker 2: Indeed, from what I can see, any of the bookies

1723
01:30:15,347 --> 01:30:17,907
Speaker 2: have the Swan's as slight favorites top half of the

1724
01:30:17,947 --> 01:30:20,627
Speaker 2: twenty three game regular season. As you say, how heavily

1725
01:30:20,707 --> 01:30:23,787
Speaker 2: favored would they be to win the flag this afternoon, I.

1726
01:30:23,947 --> 01:30:26,627
Speaker 9: Look at it and think it's they're heavily favored. As

1727
01:30:26,667 --> 01:30:28,827
Speaker 9: I said, look, they had a hard hit at and

1728
01:30:28,907 --> 01:30:31,387
Speaker 9: we just got up in the last second against Greater

1729
01:30:31,507 --> 01:30:34,467
Speaker 9: Western Sydney in the first qualifying final. But it turns

1730
01:30:34,507 --> 01:30:36,747
Speaker 9: out that was a great result for them in that

1731
01:30:37,067 --> 01:30:39,467
Speaker 9: good hit out, had a week's break, then had a

1732
01:30:39,507 --> 01:30:42,187
Speaker 9: pretty easy puliminary final win against Port Adelaide, which just

1733
01:30:42,267 --> 01:30:45,227
Speaker 9: tuned them up nicely. Apart from the captain Calam Mills,

1734
01:30:45,227 --> 01:30:47,627
Speaker 9: who's missing with a hamstring injury but has missed a

1735
01:30:47,667 --> 01:30:50,307
Speaker 9: lot of football this year, they've pretty much got everybody

1736
01:30:50,307 --> 01:30:53,227
Speaker 9: in the side that they want. They're playing well, they're confident,

1737
01:30:53,547 --> 01:30:55,867
Speaker 9: they're running on top of the ground, whereas Brisbane have

1738
01:30:56,027 --> 01:30:59,027
Speaker 9: had a horror year in many ways. They started badly,

1739
01:30:59,667 --> 01:31:01,867
Speaker 9: they had a number of massive injuries early in the

1740
01:31:01,947 --> 01:31:05,067
Speaker 9: year and midyear they look like they're completely done cooked

1741
01:31:05,467 --> 01:31:08,307
Speaker 9: and Chris Fagan has done a miraculous job in getting

1742
01:31:08,347 --> 01:31:10,907
Speaker 9: together re calibrating their side. But they've had to come

1743
01:31:10,947 --> 01:31:14,667
Speaker 9: from behind and they're two big wins this final series,

1744
01:31:15,067 --> 01:31:18,707
Speaker 9: massive comebacks, so they either feel like they're invincible and

1745
01:31:18,787 --> 01:31:21,267
Speaker 9: they can beat anyone, or they might have played their race.

1746
01:31:21,347 --> 01:31:24,227
Speaker 9: So that's why Sydney, all things being equal, going as favorite,

1747
01:31:24,387 --> 01:31:24,587
Speaker 9: just on.

1748
01:31:24,667 --> 01:31:26,987
Speaker 2: The lines finishing fifth, so they'd become what just the

1749
01:31:27,067 --> 01:31:29,507
Speaker 2: second team after the Western Bulldogs in twenty sixteen to

1750
01:31:29,547 --> 01:31:31,907
Speaker 2: win the flag from outside the top four. But I

1751
01:31:31,987 --> 01:31:34,587
Speaker 2: guess youee that basically been playing knockout footy for the

1752
01:31:34,707 --> 01:31:37,267
Speaker 2: last three weeks. So will that have them in part

1753
01:31:37,347 --> 01:31:38,227
Speaker 2: a bit match hardened?

1754
01:31:38,947 --> 01:31:41,147
Speaker 9: Well, it depends which way you want to look at it,

1755
01:31:41,187 --> 01:31:41,467
Speaker 9: isn't it.

1756
01:31:41,507 --> 01:31:43,307
Speaker 6: You know, it's either match hardened or.

1757
01:31:43,667 --> 01:31:46,507
Speaker 9: They're cooked to one or the other. I mean they've

1758
01:31:46,547 --> 01:31:49,427
Speaker 9: got through relatively unscathed. As they said that, they've lost

1759
01:31:49,467 --> 01:31:53,627
Speaker 9: a number of star players to knee reconstructions and debilitating

1760
01:31:53,667 --> 01:31:56,867
Speaker 9: injuries earlier in the year, but subsequently they've been in

1761
01:31:56,867 --> 01:31:59,187
Speaker 9: a really good form. And you know, it's those things

1762
01:31:59,227 --> 01:32:01,307
Speaker 9: that they when they take the game on and they

1763
01:32:01,467 --> 01:32:05,827
Speaker 9: run hard and they believe in themselves. So yeah, you've

1764
01:32:05,867 --> 01:32:08,987
Speaker 9: got both seems going in naturally, if you get through

1765
01:32:09,067 --> 01:32:10,587
Speaker 9: the Grand Final, you're in pretty good form.

1766
01:32:10,947 --> 01:32:13,747
Speaker 2: The Swan's humbled by Geelong in the twenty twenty two

1767
01:32:13,827 --> 01:32:16,707
Speaker 2: final one thirty three fifty two. Goodness, mean, will those

1768
01:32:16,747 --> 01:32:19,147
Speaker 2: scars still be relevant or will they instead be deeply

1769
01:32:19,267 --> 01:32:20,387
Speaker 2: motivated to put that right?

1770
01:32:21,027 --> 01:32:23,787
Speaker 9: I think it could to be honest that they were

1771
01:32:25,107 --> 01:32:28,187
Speaker 9: the team in the Grand Final was young and they

1772
01:32:28,307 --> 01:32:30,667
Speaker 9: probably got to a Grand Final ahead of time. So

1773
01:32:31,027 --> 01:32:33,947
Speaker 9: they've had their humiliation. They've had an extra couple of

1774
01:32:34,027 --> 01:32:36,787
Speaker 9: years of pre season they've built up and now all

1775
01:32:36,867 --> 01:32:39,387
Speaker 9: those twenty two year olds are twenty four years of age,

1776
01:32:39,627 --> 01:32:43,427
Speaker 9: but one hundred and fifty games and their profile, their

1777
01:32:43,467 --> 01:32:46,747
Speaker 9: demographic is perfect at the moment. So you know, whether

1778
01:32:46,787 --> 01:32:49,867
Speaker 9: it's a motivation or whether it's system growing and realizing

1779
01:32:49,907 --> 01:32:52,387
Speaker 9: how much they had to do to get themselves right

1780
01:32:52,467 --> 01:32:55,387
Speaker 9: to play Premiership football, they've been able to do it.

1781
01:32:55,547 --> 01:32:58,587
Speaker 9: So yeah, there is prepared as you could possibly get.

1782
01:32:59,267 --> 01:33:02,747
Speaker 9: They're playing great football. They're run and carry, their kicking,

1783
01:33:02,827 --> 01:33:06,187
Speaker 9: their skill, their aggression. Now they're a really good side.

1784
01:33:06,587 --> 01:33:08,187
Speaker 9: Finished on top of the ladder at the inn of

1785
01:33:08,187 --> 01:33:10,507
Speaker 9: the Home and I series, you know, with good reason.

1786
01:33:10,627 --> 01:33:13,507
Speaker 9: So now it's these to lose, to be perfect honess.

1787
01:33:13,547 --> 01:33:15,467
Speaker 9: The more we think about it, who are the.

1788
01:33:15,467 --> 01:33:17,827
Speaker 2: Most important players for each of these two sides? Maybe

1789
01:33:17,867 --> 01:33:20,507
Speaker 2: the favorites for the Norm Smith Medal for Beast on Field.

1790
01:33:21,027 --> 01:33:24,067
Speaker 9: Well it was the Macanonie, the big ruckman, dissile cutting

1791
01:33:24,067 --> 01:33:26,827
Speaker 9: his shower for Brisbane. It opens the door for Brodie Grundy, who's,

1792
01:33:27,227 --> 01:33:29,267
Speaker 9: you know, one of my great friends. He played with

1793
01:33:29,387 --> 01:33:31,947
Speaker 9: Collingwood and then he had this hiccup where he went

1794
01:33:31,987 --> 01:33:34,667
Speaker 9: from being the all Australian ruckman, two times best and

1795
01:33:34,707 --> 01:33:37,907
Speaker 9: first of Collingwood. So after I'd left as president, he

1796
01:33:38,107 --> 01:33:40,627
Speaker 9: was moved on and then he went to Melbourne and

1797
01:33:40,667 --> 01:33:42,787
Speaker 9: it was going to be the big story of him

1798
01:33:42,827 --> 01:33:44,427
Speaker 9: and Mexico Wan were going to donate things, and he

1799
01:33:44,507 --> 01:33:48,347
Speaker 9: got moved on again and it was circumstances more than anything.

1800
01:33:48,427 --> 01:33:52,947
Speaker 9: He's a wonderful, very highly intelligent, big ruckman who plays

1801
01:33:53,027 --> 01:33:56,027
Speaker 9: really hard football. Anyway, he's had a great season at

1802
01:33:56,067 --> 01:33:59,067
Speaker 9: the Sydney Swans, so he'll hit the mcg and know

1803
01:33:59,267 --> 01:34:01,187
Speaker 9: all about it. He played in the losing Grand Final

1804
01:34:01,267 --> 01:34:04,147
Speaker 9: side in twenty eight en for Collingwood and you know

1805
01:34:04,267 --> 01:34:05,467
Speaker 9: he's at the peak of his power.

1806
01:34:05,587 --> 01:34:07,707
Speaker 17: So you could be a Grundy production.

1807
01:34:07,547 --> 01:34:10,147
Speaker 9: As they say that wins the normal Smith Medal. But

1808
01:34:10,427 --> 01:34:12,707
Speaker 9: you know they've got that great midfield the Sydney Swans

1809
01:34:12,747 --> 01:34:15,467
Speaker 9: as well, and Isaac Heeney has been just an enormous

1810
01:34:15,507 --> 01:34:18,387
Speaker 9: player all year, and Warner and gold and Golding and

1811
01:34:18,467 --> 01:34:20,747
Speaker 9: all these sorts of players are great. Similarly, for the

1812
01:34:21,107 --> 01:34:24,147
Speaker 9: Brisbane Lions, if Joe Danaher up forward, who you get

1813
01:34:24,187 --> 01:34:26,707
Speaker 9: good Joe and bad Joe sometimes within five minutes in

1814
01:34:26,787 --> 01:34:28,907
Speaker 9: a game. But if he can put it together and

1815
01:34:29,267 --> 01:34:32,627
Speaker 9: make the difference. You know, he'll be a huge component

1816
01:34:32,707 --> 01:34:34,947
Speaker 9: to the outcome of the match. And Eric hit what

1817
01:34:35,707 --> 01:34:38,587
Speaker 9: his sort of second tier forward up there. And Harris

1818
01:34:38,587 --> 01:34:40,947
Speaker 9: Andrews the captain of the side across halfback, who's a

1819
01:34:41,027 --> 01:34:44,747
Speaker 9: beautiful intercepting mark. So you know they've got winners all

1820
01:34:44,827 --> 01:34:47,907
Speaker 9: through the place. The midfield generally sets the tone in

1821
01:34:47,947 --> 01:34:49,627
Speaker 9: a Grand Final, but of a big forward or a

1822
01:34:49,667 --> 01:34:51,907
Speaker 9: big ruckman can dominate, it goes a long way to

1823
01:34:51,947 --> 01:34:52,747
Speaker 9: winning the premiership.

1824
01:34:52,787 --> 01:34:54,867
Speaker 2: All right, Just before I get your top for our

1825
01:34:54,907 --> 01:34:56,707
Speaker 2: listeners here in New Zealand, Diddy, can you just put

1826
01:34:56,747 --> 01:34:59,547
Speaker 2: into context for us how big a sporting day this

1827
01:34:59,827 --> 01:35:00,787
Speaker 2: is in Australia.

1828
01:35:01,587 --> 01:35:03,547
Speaker 9: Well, when you look at it on a world scale,

1829
01:35:03,627 --> 01:35:08,027
Speaker 9: it's one hundred thousand and if mcg held three hundred thousand,

1830
01:35:08,027 --> 01:35:10,547
Speaker 9: they would have sold every ticket as well, So it's massive.

1831
01:35:10,587 --> 01:35:14,107
Speaker 9: Three hundred thousand. Literally people line the parade route. It's

1832
01:35:14,147 --> 01:35:16,787
Speaker 9: the biggest television event in the country. I've just left

1833
01:35:16,827 --> 01:35:20,187
Speaker 9: another once year today with twelve hundred people at the Crown.

1834
01:35:20,947 --> 01:35:23,347
Speaker 9: I hosted the show last night in the Telephone, which

1835
01:35:23,427 --> 01:35:26,107
Speaker 9: raised five and a half million dollars around the football.

1836
01:35:26,867 --> 01:35:30,187
Speaker 9: You know, the opposition, Channel seven had their TV show

1837
01:35:30,227 --> 01:35:31,827
Speaker 9: on the night before, we had another show. The night

1838
01:35:31,907 --> 01:35:34,707
Speaker 9: before that, we had another show, and so it's just dominating.

1839
01:35:34,867 --> 01:35:37,427
Speaker 9: So and we don't have the rights. They imagine what

1840
01:35:37,467 --> 01:35:39,907
Speaker 9: would happen if we had the rights, but no, it's

1841
01:35:40,187 --> 01:35:42,547
Speaker 9: all consuming it is. And I got to the Super

1842
01:35:42,587 --> 01:35:45,467
Speaker 9: Bowl every year. You know the key weason know what

1843
01:35:45,507 --> 01:35:47,147
Speaker 9: it's like when the All Blacks are playing and it's

1844
01:35:47,147 --> 01:35:49,627
Speaker 9: a big game or platters like cup or a World

1845
01:35:49,707 --> 01:35:52,027
Speaker 9: Cup in these days, that's what it's like, and it's

1846
01:35:52,587 --> 01:35:55,747
Speaker 9: it's just enormous. Katie Perry's singing before the game, so

1847
01:35:55,867 --> 01:35:58,547
Speaker 9: I think she's getting paid five million dollars and soon

1848
01:35:58,667 --> 01:35:59,227
Speaker 9: million bucks.

1849
01:35:59,667 --> 01:36:00,267
Speaker 20: So bad is it?

1850
01:36:01,427 --> 01:36:04,667
Speaker 9: She actually getting paid more than the players. But it's

1851
01:36:04,707 --> 01:36:07,387
Speaker 9: going to be it's going to be a huge game.

1852
01:36:07,427 --> 01:36:10,227
Speaker 9: And because they're from the Queensland and New South Wales,

1853
01:36:10,547 --> 01:36:13,587
Speaker 9: the whole of Victoria, South Australian, West Australian, Tasmania Northern

1854
01:36:13,667 --> 01:36:16,467
Speaker 9: Territory watching, So now the other two popular states in

1855
01:36:16,507 --> 01:36:18,907
Speaker 9: Australia will be all over it. So it'll probably be

1856
01:36:19,307 --> 01:36:21,347
Speaker 9: the highest runing Grand Final in history.

1857
01:36:21,667 --> 01:36:23,787
Speaker 2: Okay, who's your pick and by what? Sort of margin.

1858
01:36:24,347 --> 01:36:26,467
Speaker 9: Well, I'll say Sydney for all the reasons I gave

1859
01:36:26,507 --> 01:36:29,667
Speaker 9: you before, I'd really like to see Brisbane window. Their

1860
01:36:29,747 --> 01:36:33,427
Speaker 9: coach Chris Fagan is a wonderful man and he is

1861
01:36:33,587 --> 01:36:36,787
Speaker 9: just absolutely sensational and he's had a lot of things,

1862
01:36:36,827 --> 01:36:39,707
Speaker 9: a lot of pressure on him this year and he

1863
01:36:39,907 --> 01:36:42,547
Speaker 9: deserves He deserves it more than anyone. His eldest coach

1864
01:36:42,587 --> 01:36:44,667
Speaker 9: and in a I think he's one of the oldest

1865
01:36:44,707 --> 01:36:46,707
Speaker 9: coaches to get to a Grand Final and he's a

1866
01:36:46,747 --> 01:36:48,507
Speaker 9: wonderful person. I love him to winever, but I think

1867
01:36:48,507 --> 01:36:50,387
Speaker 9: the Sydney's ones might just have too much.

1868
01:36:50,667 --> 01:36:52,707
Speaker 2: Hidi, thanks so much for leading us your expertise. That's

1869
01:36:52,747 --> 01:36:54,067
Speaker 2: been a great pleasure to chet to you. Thanks for

1870
01:36:54,147 --> 01:36:57,627
Speaker 2: taking the time made Pye Well, that is Idy Maguire

1871
01:36:57,747 --> 01:37:02,227
Speaker 2: of course, unmistakable voice across so many different platforms as

1872
01:37:02,267 --> 01:37:04,747
Speaker 2: far as Al is concerned. Who wants to be a millionaire.

1873
01:37:04,827 --> 01:37:09,107
Speaker 2: Of course he was former the president of Collingwood, head

1874
01:37:09,147 --> 01:37:11,827
Speaker 2: of Collingwood for a while. They're not in it obviously,

1875
01:37:12,227 --> 01:37:16,307
Speaker 2: as you heard Eddie mentioned. It's the Sydney Swans and

1876
01:37:16,387 --> 01:37:19,227
Speaker 2: the Brisbane Lines, both of who of course used to

1877
01:37:19,307 --> 01:37:23,787
Speaker 2: be based in Victoria. The Swans were formerly South Melbourne

1878
01:37:24,267 --> 01:37:27,427
Speaker 2: and the Brisbane Lines were throwback to the Fitzroy Lions,

1879
01:37:27,587 --> 01:37:31,027
Speaker 2: so I guess effectively it's something of a home game

1880
01:37:31,467 --> 01:37:33,707
Speaker 2: for the older fans of these two teams. It just

1881
01:37:33,707 --> 01:37:36,427
Speaker 2: seems so odded to us, doesn't it, relocation of teams

1882
01:37:37,267 --> 01:37:41,027
Speaker 2: to different states. But yeah, no Victorian side in the

1883
01:37:41,107 --> 01:37:43,267
Speaker 2: Grand Final, but that one stop at being an absolute

1884
01:37:43,347 --> 01:37:47,587
Speaker 2: sellout as Eddie mentioned, and the ratings on television are

1885
01:37:47,627 --> 01:37:50,347
Speaker 2: set to be absolutely huge when the Grand Final gets

1886
01:37:50,387 --> 01:37:53,987
Speaker 2: underway in just over two hours. Actually, Sidney Swan's Brisbane

1887
01:37:54,027 --> 01:37:57,467
Speaker 2: Lines latest tab odds, I've seen Swan's won seventy five

1888
01:37:57,907 --> 01:38:02,027
Speaker 2: Brisbane Lines two dollars ten, So that's the thinking. And

1889
01:38:02,067 --> 01:38:03,867
Speaker 2: I've looked around some of the bookies as well around

1890
01:38:03,907 --> 01:38:07,907
Speaker 2: the Australian bettings and it's pretty much the same as

1891
01:38:07,947 --> 01:38:10,387
Speaker 2: you will probably speak. So this one's the best team

1892
01:38:10,587 --> 01:38:13,107
Speaker 2: right throughout the season and the regular season. The Brisbane

1893
01:38:13,147 --> 01:38:16,507
Speaker 2: Lions finished fifth, but have made their way all the

1894
01:38:16,547 --> 01:38:20,747
Speaker 2: way through to the Grand Final and maywell way well

1895
01:38:20,787 --> 01:38:22,987
Speaker 2: win the whole thing. Who knows? Four point thirty this

1896
01:38:23,147 --> 01:38:28,187
Speaker 2: afternoon two thirty in Victoria, eight hundred and eighty ten

1897
01:38:28,227 --> 01:38:30,307
Speaker 2: eighty as always as a number ninety two ninety two

1898
01:38:30,347 --> 01:38:32,547
Speaker 2: if you would prefer to correspond by text if you

1899
01:38:32,667 --> 01:38:36,387
Speaker 2: hear on the game. We were speaking before two o'clock

1900
01:38:36,387 --> 01:38:40,027
Speaker 2: about the famous John Eels game here at sky Stadium

1901
01:38:40,107 --> 01:38:42,667
Speaker 2: or Westpac Stadium as it was when it was first built.

1902
01:38:42,667 --> 01:38:44,787
Speaker 2: I think it was west Pac Trust Stadium in fact,

1903
01:38:45,307 --> 01:38:47,987
Speaker 2: when it was first built. That game should never have

1904
01:38:48,067 --> 01:38:50,627
Speaker 2: been lost, as this text amazing. The whole of Wellington

1905
01:38:51,027 --> 01:38:53,587
Speaker 2: did the blackout. The crowd and the stadium were given

1906
01:38:53,707 --> 01:38:56,467
Speaker 2: black cards to hold up when the team ran on

1907
01:38:57,027 --> 01:38:59,347
Speaker 2: one of the best tests I've ever been to, and

1908
01:38:59,947 --> 01:39:02,707
Speaker 2: this one here from I doesn't say who it's from,

1909
01:39:02,747 --> 01:39:05,227
Speaker 2: but it says I was at that game in two thousand.

1910
01:39:05,307 --> 01:39:09,187
Speaker 2: It took me seven years before I could stomach going

1911
01:39:09,227 --> 01:39:12,387
Speaker 2: to an all Blacks game again. That extra time was brutal.

1912
01:39:12,547 --> 01:39:15,507
Speaker 2: John Eels is still one of the all time greats

1913
01:39:15,707 --> 01:39:19,267
Speaker 2: for me, though indeed he is. Two twenty three is

1914
01:39:19,347 --> 01:39:21,867
Speaker 2: the time we'll stay in Australia. When we come back,

1915
01:39:21,907 --> 01:39:26,387
Speaker 2: we'll change the code and go to NRL. It's week

1916
01:39:26,427 --> 01:39:27,867
Speaker 2: three of the finals. We're in the middle of it.

1917
01:39:27,947 --> 01:39:30,467
Speaker 2: These are the effectively the semi finals ahead of the

1918
01:39:30,507 --> 01:39:33,947
Speaker 2: Grand Final next Sunday. Last night, the Storm doing a

1919
01:39:34,067 --> 01:39:36,907
Speaker 2: number on the Roosters. Tonight the Sharks try and stop

1920
01:39:36,987 --> 01:39:39,507
Speaker 2: the Panthers. Jake Juke out of Fox Sport's going to

1921
01:39:39,587 --> 01:39:41,427
Speaker 2: join us after this on Weekend Sport.

1922
01:39:41,547 --> 01:39:44,427
Speaker 1: Big down to All Blacks v. Australia on your home

1923
01:39:44,507 --> 01:39:48,587
Speaker 1: of Sports Weekend Sport from Wellington's Sky Studio with Jason

1924
01:39:48,947 --> 01:39:52,947
Speaker 1: and GJ Gard The homes New Zealand's most trusted home builders.

1925
01:39:54,027 --> 01:39:56,787
Speaker 2: We can Sport two twenty six, The Melbourne Storm of

1926
01:39:56,947 --> 01:39:59,427
Speaker 2: thrash the Roosters forty eight to eighteen at Amy Park

1927
01:39:59,547 --> 01:40:02,467
Speaker 2: to charge into the NRL Grand Final. Half Back Jerome

1928
01:40:02,547 --> 01:40:05,107
Speaker 2: Hughes a hat trick of tries, stand off Cameron Munster

1929
01:40:05,187 --> 01:40:07,907
Speaker 2: bagging a brace right at the eight tries to three

1930
01:40:08,427 --> 01:40:10,427
Speaker 2: in favor of the Melbourne Storm and the big Dance

1931
01:40:10,427 --> 01:40:14,147
Speaker 2: style face the Panthers all the Sharks. They meet tonight

1932
01:40:14,347 --> 01:40:18,187
Speaker 2: in Penrith to determine the other Grand finalist. Jake Duke

1933
01:40:18,267 --> 01:40:20,667
Speaker 2: from Spock Sports League is with us. I believe you're

1934
01:40:20,667 --> 01:40:22,347
Speaker 2: doing the game tonight. Jake will get to that in

1935
01:40:22,427 --> 01:40:25,667
Speaker 2: the moment. But how comprehensive was this from the Melbourne

1936
01:40:25,707 --> 01:40:26,547
Speaker 2: Storm last night.

1937
01:40:27,667 --> 01:40:29,907
Speaker 8: Oh, unbelievable performance from the Melbourne Storm.

1938
01:40:30,067 --> 01:40:33,227
Speaker 13: Jace to believe in a preliminary final they could win

1939
01:40:33,387 --> 01:40:35,547
Speaker 13: by what thirty points on.

1940
01:40:36,907 --> 01:40:40,147
Speaker 29: Just it shows the class of this side, the class

1941
01:40:40,227 --> 01:40:43,187
Speaker 29: of their spine, the guys that they've invested in heavily

1942
01:40:44,267 --> 01:40:47,507
Speaker 29: over the past five or six years in Pappenhaus and.

1943
01:40:47,547 --> 01:40:51,187
Speaker 13: Munster, Hughes and Harry Grant. They were all unbelievable last night.

1944
01:40:51,947 --> 01:40:54,867
Speaker 13: You know, a hat trick to Jerome Hughes doubles for

1945
01:40:54,987 --> 01:40:59,067
Speaker 13: Munster and Pappenhaus and Harry Grant was everywhere defensively and

1946
01:40:59,307 --> 01:41:01,787
Speaker 13: just dictating things through dummy half like they just have

1947
01:41:02,867 --> 01:41:06,827
Speaker 13: some special, special players and it's a crazy testament to

1948
01:41:06,907 --> 01:41:08,947
Speaker 13: what Craig Bellamy and the Melbourne Storm have built over

1949
01:41:09,747 --> 01:41:11,787
Speaker 13: so many years now. I think it's Craig Bellamy's tenth

1950
01:41:11,907 --> 01:41:15,547
Speaker 13: Grand Final in his twenty one years of coaching at

1951
01:41:15,627 --> 01:41:18,827
Speaker 13: the Melbourne Storm, which is just unheard of in probably

1952
01:41:18,867 --> 01:41:21,827
Speaker 13: modern sport anywhere in the world really, especially in the

1953
01:41:21,867 --> 01:41:25,307
Speaker 13: salary cap sport where there is so many restrictions on

1954
01:41:25,387 --> 01:41:26,267
Speaker 13: players and things like.

1955
01:41:26,267 --> 01:41:26,707
Speaker 8: That, so.

1956
01:41:28,267 --> 01:41:29,787
Speaker 13: You just have to take your head of to what

1957
01:41:30,147 --> 01:41:33,907
Speaker 13: a crazy organization they are and what they how dominant

1958
01:41:33,947 --> 01:41:36,347
Speaker 13: they've been for so long to kind of dominate the

1959
01:41:36,427 --> 01:41:38,427
Speaker 13: Roosters like that, who have one of the best rosters

1960
01:41:38,467 --> 01:41:41,387
Speaker 13: on paper. I know they had some injuries, but you know,

1961
01:41:41,707 --> 01:41:44,067
Speaker 13: you'd be hard pressed to think Sam Walker and Brendon

1962
01:41:44,107 --> 01:41:47,187
Speaker 13: Smith could turn around that thirty point kind of mauling

1963
01:41:47,267 --> 01:41:49,187
Speaker 13: they had last night. Obviously, they did call their way

1964
01:41:49,227 --> 01:41:50,947
Speaker 13: back into it the Roosters. It was a six point

1965
01:41:50,987 --> 01:41:54,507
Speaker 13: margin there for a little bit string of tries after halftime,

1966
01:41:54,627 --> 01:41:56,627
Speaker 13: but you kind of got the feeling that the Melbourne

1967
01:41:56,627 --> 01:41:59,427
Speaker 13: Storm were never really in danger. The Roosters have got

1968
01:41:59,467 --> 01:42:01,387
Speaker 13: points in them, They've got star players. We know they

1969
01:42:01,427 --> 01:42:03,947
Speaker 13: can score. But the Storm were just kind of fully

1970
01:42:03,987 --> 01:42:08,347
Speaker 13: in control of that game from after conceding that first try.

1971
01:42:08,427 --> 01:42:11,547
Speaker 13: They kind of wrestled back momentum and never really looked

1972
01:42:11,627 --> 01:42:12,067
Speaker 13: like losing.

1973
01:42:12,747 --> 01:42:17,427
Speaker 2: It's remarkable that, as you say, articulated it brilliantly the Storm.

1974
01:42:17,627 --> 01:42:19,187
Speaker 2: You know what they've built there. But I mean, the

1975
01:42:19,267 --> 01:42:21,067
Speaker 2: Roosters aren't a bad team, aren't they what? They were

1976
01:42:21,107 --> 01:42:23,627
Speaker 2: third in the regular season one sort of sixteen of

1977
01:42:23,707 --> 01:42:25,667
Speaker 2: their twenty four games. I think it was so not

1978
01:42:25,747 --> 01:42:28,627
Speaker 2: a bad team. Could they really have done anything else

1979
01:42:29,107 --> 01:42:31,987
Speaker 2: or were they just purely outclass last night.

1980
01:42:33,027 --> 01:42:35,067
Speaker 13: I think Melbourne have just been the better side all year.

1981
01:42:35,107 --> 01:42:37,827
Speaker 13: If you look at their record. They finished four points

1982
01:42:38,147 --> 01:42:40,107
Speaker 13: clear at the top of the table the Minor Premiership

1983
01:42:40,147 --> 01:42:42,027
Speaker 13: and they even sacrificed the game at the end there

1984
01:42:42,067 --> 01:42:43,907
Speaker 13: where they rested all their start players. So you know,

1985
01:42:44,027 --> 01:42:47,067
Speaker 13: this is a team that was effectively six points clear

1986
01:42:47,147 --> 01:42:50,267
Speaker 13: of everyone else. They were the best team all season.

1987
01:42:50,947 --> 01:42:53,907
Speaker 13: The Roosters, you know, they showed all year that they

1988
01:42:53,947 --> 01:42:56,587
Speaker 13: can dominate and score points and then probably are the

1989
01:42:56,667 --> 01:43:00,347
Speaker 13: best attacking side in the competition. But I think history

1990
01:43:00,347 --> 01:43:02,467
Speaker 13: has shown now and questions will be asked, the big

1991
01:43:02,547 --> 01:43:05,707
Speaker 13: questions about that's what won in twenty two games now

1992
01:43:05,747 --> 01:43:09,547
Speaker 13: against penn and Melbourne that they've lost. Yeah, that they've won,

1993
01:43:09,747 --> 01:43:12,427
Speaker 13: you know, so they're on an incredible kind of losing

1994
01:43:12,467 --> 01:43:14,627
Speaker 13: streak coming up against those two sides. So it shows

1995
01:43:14,667 --> 01:43:17,307
Speaker 13: that they have a lot of a flare and attack

1996
01:43:17,347 --> 01:43:19,267
Speaker 13: and they can flog the teams kind of below them

1997
01:43:19,267 --> 01:43:21,987
Speaker 13: on the ladder. But when it comes to those really defensive,

1998
01:43:22,107 --> 01:43:26,107
Speaker 13: gritty efforts against Penrith and Melbourne, there's just something missing.

1999
01:43:26,187 --> 01:43:28,627
Speaker 13: And now you know, it's only probably going to get harder.

2000
01:43:28,667 --> 01:43:30,907
Speaker 13: We saw some of the guys that are departing the

2001
01:43:30,947 --> 01:43:35,547
Speaker 13: club last night in terms of January, Hard Groves, Luke Curry,

2002
01:43:35,547 --> 01:43:37,387
Speaker 13: it's an end of a year at Joseph Sulalii's going

2003
01:43:37,387 --> 01:43:41,107
Speaker 13: to rugby union, Joey Martin who's going to rugby union

2004
01:43:41,187 --> 01:43:44,027
Speaker 13: as well. There's four absolute stars there and guys that

2005
01:43:44,107 --> 01:43:46,787
Speaker 13: have been a part of this Rusters organization for a

2006
01:43:46,867 --> 01:43:47,347
Speaker 13: long time.

2007
01:43:47,507 --> 01:43:50,107
Speaker 20: So it's a big kind of rebuilding.

2008
01:43:49,627 --> 01:43:52,707
Speaker 13: Phase and plenty of questions for Trent Robinson and his

2009
01:43:52,907 --> 01:43:55,667
Speaker 13: men to answer and how they kind of rebuild this

2010
01:43:55,867 --> 01:43:59,347
Speaker 13: Rooster's team really, So yeah, there'll be plenty in the

2011
01:43:59,387 --> 01:44:02,067
Speaker 13: post mortem for them. You know, the Roosters played for premierships.

2012
01:44:02,107 --> 01:44:06,307
Speaker 13: They're probably argue this year have probably the best ross

2013
01:44:06,507 --> 01:44:09,387
Speaker 13: on paper in the competition. But yet you know, that's

2014
01:44:10,067 --> 01:44:13,027
Speaker 13: another season where they would probably have expected to be

2015
01:44:13,707 --> 01:44:16,707
Speaker 13: competing for a title, and so thet'll bit short. So yeah,

2016
01:44:16,947 --> 01:44:18,507
Speaker 13: not the season they are after and the finish to

2017
01:44:18,587 --> 01:44:19,187
Speaker 13: a season.

2018
01:44:18,987 --> 01:44:21,747
Speaker 2: They're after, all right, So the storm into the Grand

2019
01:44:21,787 --> 01:44:24,067
Speaker 2: Final next Sunday, they await the winner of the Panthers'

2020
01:44:24,467 --> 01:44:27,827
Speaker 2: Sharks tonight. This seems on paper, Jake as though it'll

2021
01:44:27,867 --> 01:44:30,947
Speaker 2: be I don't want to say one sided, but certainly

2022
01:44:31,027 --> 01:44:34,307
Speaker 2: Penrith are heavily favored. Are the Sharks a chance tonight?

2023
01:44:35,787 --> 01:44:38,347
Speaker 13: Look, anyone's a chance in the game of football, I

2024
01:44:38,387 --> 01:44:40,227
Speaker 13: guess in a two horse race, you would have to

2025
01:44:40,347 --> 01:44:45,067
Speaker 13: think something would have to go catastrophically wrong for Penrith

2026
01:44:45,107 --> 01:44:47,867
Speaker 13: tonight for them not to win. They just such a

2027
01:44:47,907 --> 01:44:50,947
Speaker 13: dominant team, you know, trying to get into their fifth

2028
01:44:51,067 --> 01:44:54,787
Speaker 13: Grand Final in a row and win four straight. Team

2029
01:44:54,827 --> 01:44:56,907
Speaker 13: hasn't been to a five straight Grand finals since I

2030
01:44:57,027 --> 01:45:00,387
Speaker 13: think the rabbit O's team of the late sixties early seventies.

2031
01:45:00,547 --> 01:45:03,547
Speaker 13: So it just shows you the kind of achievement that

2032
01:45:03,667 --> 01:45:07,947
Speaker 13: this Penrith side has created. You know, they finished second

2033
01:45:07,987 --> 01:45:12,347
Speaker 13: on the ladder. They are one of the great teams

2034
01:45:12,387 --> 01:45:14,707
Speaker 13: in history, so it would take a lot for this

2035
01:45:14,787 --> 01:45:17,147
Speaker 13: Pronola side to kind of get up and win. But

2036
01:45:17,227 --> 01:45:18,907
Speaker 13: that being said, you know, the pressure's kind of off.

2037
01:45:18,987 --> 01:45:21,107
Speaker 13: No one expects them to win. All the pressure is

2038
01:45:21,147 --> 01:45:23,347
Speaker 13: on Penrith. Cronola kind of got the monkey off their

2039
01:45:23,387 --> 01:45:26,027
Speaker 13: back last week with that finals. Who do where they

2040
01:45:26,067 --> 01:45:30,147
Speaker 13: won their first final in eight attempts. So yeah, Craig

2041
01:45:30,227 --> 01:45:32,267
Speaker 13: Fitzgiven didn't want to use the word free throw at

2042
01:45:32,267 --> 01:45:35,187
Speaker 13: the stumps or a free hit this week, but it

2043
01:45:35,347 --> 01:45:37,187
Speaker 13: kind of is. You know, no one expects them to win.

2044
01:45:37,667 --> 01:45:40,347
Speaker 13: They can go out there and chance they're arm and

2045
01:45:41,067 --> 01:45:43,387
Speaker 13: try to build this team and continue its kind of

2046
01:45:43,467 --> 01:45:47,107
Speaker 13: growth and test yourself against the defending premiers and the

2047
01:45:47,747 --> 01:45:49,067
Speaker 13: benchmark for the competition for.

2048
01:45:49,067 --> 01:45:49,827
Speaker 20: A long long time.

2049
01:45:49,947 --> 01:45:52,987
Speaker 13: But you'd imagine the way Penrith played in that week

2050
01:45:53,027 --> 01:45:54,987
Speaker 13: one of the finals. They showed us what they're capable

2051
01:45:55,067 --> 01:45:56,627
Speaker 13: of against that rooster's side.

2052
01:45:57,027 --> 01:45:58,667
Speaker 20: They've had a week off, they're rested.

2053
01:45:58,787 --> 01:46:02,667
Speaker 13: Nathan Cleary looks in sublime touch show does Jerome Louisdell,

2054
01:46:02,667 --> 01:46:05,227
Speaker 13: and Edwards looks to be back to his best in

2055
01:46:05,347 --> 01:46:07,547
Speaker 13: terms of hiding a bit of an injury towards back

2056
01:46:07,547 --> 01:46:12,387
Speaker 13: in the season. Isaiaho tonight becomes the most capped Panther

2057
01:46:12,587 --> 01:46:15,267
Speaker 13: of all time, playing his two hundred and forty third game.

2058
01:46:15,307 --> 01:46:18,107
Speaker 13: I think it is to Pendith. So plenty of reasons

2059
01:46:18,147 --> 01:46:21,547
Speaker 13: for the Panthers to perform tonight. You know, they obviously

2060
01:46:21,627 --> 01:46:25,147
Speaker 13: want to extend their season one more week and farewell

2061
01:46:25,187 --> 01:46:28,667
Speaker 13: guys like James Fisher, Harris, Jerome Lewis, Sinea Taruba guys,

2062
01:46:28,707 --> 01:46:30,787
Speaker 13: that are off to new clubs next year and have

2063
01:46:30,867 --> 01:46:34,147
Speaker 13: been a part of this premiership success. So look, you'd

2064
01:46:34,147 --> 01:46:37,747
Speaker 13: be a brave man to bet against Penrith. But you

2065
01:46:37,827 --> 01:46:40,587
Speaker 13: know we've seen Cronulla. They're a gritty side, they've got

2066
01:46:40,627 --> 01:46:44,867
Speaker 13: some workers. Nico Hines's hundredth game tonight, you know, they've

2067
01:46:44,867 --> 01:46:47,747
Speaker 13: got their own reasons to kind of win, and yeah,

2068
01:46:47,827 --> 01:46:49,547
Speaker 13: it should be an interesting contest.

2069
01:46:50,067 --> 01:46:50,267
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2070
01:46:50,307 --> 01:46:54,027
Speaker 2: Well, if we go down the path of of highest likelihood,

2071
01:46:54,067 --> 01:46:56,107
Speaker 2: and that is that the Panthers win tonight, Let's say

2072
01:46:56,107 --> 01:46:58,827
Speaker 2: that they do, and do it in recently comfortable fashion.

2073
01:46:59,787 --> 01:47:01,907
Speaker 2: They still won't be favorite next week, will they? The

2074
01:47:01,987 --> 01:47:04,747
Speaker 2: Storm have to be favorite after last night and after

2075
01:47:04,787 --> 01:47:05,667
Speaker 2: the season they've had.

2076
01:47:07,187 --> 01:47:09,347
Speaker 13: Oh look, I don't know. I think it'll be pretty tight.

2077
01:47:11,187 --> 01:47:14,907
Speaker 13: Melbourne a big blow today obviously broke in the last

2078
01:47:14,987 --> 01:47:17,227
Speaker 13: hour or so that Nelson a Sofa Solomona is facing

2079
01:47:17,307 --> 01:47:20,827
Speaker 13: four to five week suspension for that hit on Lindsay

2080
01:47:20,907 --> 01:47:23,747
Speaker 13: Collins last night in the first couple of twenty seconds

2081
01:47:23,787 --> 01:47:26,707
Speaker 13: of the game, So in all likelihood he's not playing

2082
01:47:26,747 --> 01:47:29,067
Speaker 13: in the Grand Final. It's very unlikely they'll be able

2083
01:47:29,107 --> 01:47:31,947
Speaker 13: to get that down greater enough to miss zero weeks

2084
01:47:32,667 --> 01:47:36,067
Speaker 13: almost impossible. So they lose Nelson Asofta Solomona, that's a

2085
01:47:36,667 --> 01:47:38,587
Speaker 13: huge loss. They're not the biggest forward pack in the

2086
01:47:38,667 --> 01:47:42,827
Speaker 13: competition as it stands. He is kind of their battering

2087
01:47:42,947 --> 01:47:45,427
Speaker 13: ram for lack of a better word, So losing him

2088
01:47:45,547 --> 01:47:47,147
Speaker 13: is going to be a big blow for the Melbourne Storm,

2089
01:47:47,907 --> 01:47:50,627
Speaker 13: especially if Penrith come through unscathed tonight and have guys

2090
01:47:50,707 --> 01:47:53,107
Speaker 13: like Fisher Harris and the Oder and those guys that

2091
01:47:53,187 --> 01:47:55,067
Speaker 13: have done it for so long Yo as well. So

2092
01:47:56,187 --> 01:47:59,307
Speaker 13: I don't know. I think if it is Penwrith Melbourne,

2093
01:47:59,347 --> 01:48:01,587
Speaker 13: I think I think you might find maybe Beendrith will

2094
01:48:01,587 --> 01:48:04,307
Speaker 13: be the favorites by the time betting goes up in

2095
01:48:04,387 --> 01:48:07,547
Speaker 13: the next couple of days, because as I said, they've

2096
01:48:07,547 --> 01:48:09,787
Speaker 13: done freender Row, you know, they just continue to do it.

2097
01:48:10,587 --> 01:48:13,067
Speaker 13: But wouldn't it be at mouth Water and Clash. You've

2098
01:48:13,107 --> 01:48:16,667
Speaker 13: got Nathan Cleary, who many consider the best half back

2099
01:48:16,707 --> 01:48:19,587
Speaker 13: in the game versus Jerome Hughes, who has probably been

2100
01:48:19,627 --> 01:48:22,627
Speaker 13: the best player in the competition this year and is

2101
01:48:22,667 --> 01:48:25,907
Speaker 13: probably likely to win the Daly m this week. Just

2102
01:48:26,027 --> 01:48:28,787
Speaker 13: great matchups all across the park. It's probably the Grand

2103
01:48:28,867 --> 01:48:31,987
Speaker 13: Final we deserve as fans in terms of Melbourne Penrith

2104
01:48:33,107 --> 01:48:35,667
Speaker 13: and it's kind of a bit of fate and destiny, right,

2105
01:48:35,787 --> 01:48:40,947
Speaker 13: Like you think Melbourne beat Penrith in twenty twenty to

2106
01:48:41,027 --> 01:48:43,947
Speaker 13: win a Grand Final. Since then Penrith have been dominant

2107
01:48:43,947 --> 01:48:47,227
Speaker 13: and won three straight. They now meet Melbourne again. You know,

2108
01:48:47,347 --> 01:48:51,147
Speaker 13: can Melbourne kind of they stopped the dynasy starting a

2109
01:48:51,227 --> 01:48:52,987
Speaker 13: year early back in twenty twenty, can they be the

2110
01:48:53,027 --> 01:48:56,587
Speaker 13: ones to kind of end it now? I think that's

2111
01:48:56,747 --> 01:48:59,827
Speaker 13: the Grand Final that most people expect, so but we'll

2112
01:48:59,827 --> 01:49:02,947
Speaker 13: wait and see. You know, anything can happen in eighty

2113
01:49:03,027 --> 01:49:07,307
Speaker 13: minutes of football, you know, sendoffs and anything injuries in

2114
01:49:07,347 --> 01:49:09,667
Speaker 13: the modern game. You know that anything can be twisted

2115
01:49:09,707 --> 01:49:13,067
Speaker 13: and turned on a dime. So yeah, it should be

2116
01:49:13,067 --> 01:49:14,227
Speaker 13: an exciting question tonight.

2117
01:49:14,667 --> 01:49:16,507
Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, I know you're working at for Fox.

2118
01:49:16,547 --> 01:49:18,907
Speaker 2: When you have eyes on the AFL you an AFL fan.

2119
01:49:18,947 --> 01:49:20,627
Speaker 2: Will you watch that before you get to work in

2120
01:49:20,707 --> 01:49:21,227
Speaker 2: the NRL?

2121
01:49:22,267 --> 01:49:24,787
Speaker 13: Unfortunately, I will watch it. I'll probably have to take

2122
01:49:24,867 --> 01:49:26,867
Speaker 13: off at half time to get out to a course

2123
01:49:26,907 --> 01:49:28,507
Speaker 13: stadium tonight, but I'll be keeping an eye on it

2124
01:49:28,627 --> 01:49:33,027
Speaker 13: listening to on the radio. Yes, AFL fan, I actually

2125
01:49:33,747 --> 01:49:35,627
Speaker 13: had tickets to go to the Grand Final today, but

2126
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Speaker 13: I had to work for the league tonight, so you know,

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Speaker 13: work always takes precent and always a rugby league man first,

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Speaker 13: but become a bit torn today. I live in Sydney

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Speaker 13: and I do like the Swans, but I grew up

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Speaker 13: on the Gold Coast, always had a bit of a

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01:49:52,747 --> 01:49:55,707
Speaker 13: soft spot for Brisbane Lyons, A big fan of Charlie Cameron.

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Speaker 13: So I don't know a little bit torn. Who will

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Speaker 13: win today? Over to the cracking game and.

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Speaker 20: You knows.

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Speaker 13: As a new South Welshman, I just think it's kind

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Speaker 13: of funny to have no Victorian teams in the AFL

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Speaker 13: Bet finals.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, feels very very unusual. Hey, Jake, grag to Jed

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Speaker 2: has always mate, Thanks.

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Speaker 14: For taking the time now that's problem Jake, Thank you

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Speaker 14: all the.

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Speaker 2: Best, mate, Jake. Jake there from Fox Sports and their

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Speaker 2: rugby league coverage are regularly contributor to our shows here

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01:50:23,707 --> 01:50:26,147
Speaker 2: on News Talks hereb always good to get his insight

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01:50:26,267 --> 01:50:28,667
Speaker 2: and analysis. So the Melbourne storm into the Grand Final

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01:50:28,707 --> 01:50:32,987
Speaker 2: forty eight eighteen winners over the Sydney Roosters last night comprehensive.

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Speaker 2: As comprehensive as it looks on the scoreboard. From what

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Speaker 2: Jake was saying there, Panthers Sharks tonight. Quick look at

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01:50:38,867 --> 01:50:41,507
Speaker 2: the odds, Panthers playing a dollar twenty two at our tab,

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01:50:41,947 --> 01:50:45,747
Speaker 2: the Sharks are rank outsiders at four dollars fifty. It

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Speaker 2: just feels as though the Grand Final that this season

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Speaker 2: has been setting itself up for. Basically from the last

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Speaker 2: I don't know, ten weeks of the regular season, it

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Speaker 2: always felt as though these two, the Storm and the Panthers,

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Speaker 2: were on a collision course for the Grand Final next week. Yes,

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Speaker 2: the Panthers still have to get past the Coronella Sharks,

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01:51:01,747 --> 01:51:03,987
Speaker 2: and as Jake said, anything can happen in finals football,

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01:51:04,027 --> 01:51:06,267
Speaker 2: but you just get the feeling that Penwrith will have

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Speaker 2: too much for the Sharks tonight and then we can

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Speaker 2: really look forward to a mouth watering NRL Grand Final

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Speaker 2: next Sunday night at around nine thirty New Zealand time,

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Speaker 2: if it is to be the Storm against the Penrith Panthers.

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Speaker 2: News talks HEREB and Weekend Sport approaching twenty two away

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Speaker 2: from three coming to your Life from sky Stadium, All Blacks,

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Speaker 2: Australia tonight for commentary of course on ZEDB Goldsport and

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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio from just seven o'clock. Our built up starts at six.

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Speaker 2: But when we come back, we're going to shift our

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Speaker 2: attention to cricket. A couple of days of Test cricket

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Speaker 2: that the Black Caps, I'm sure we'll look back on

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Speaker 2: with a complete lack of fondness. Sri Lanka have totally

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Speaker 2: dominated the first two days of the second cricket Test

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Speaker 2: in Gaul. Ronnie here are going to break it down

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Speaker 2: for us when we come back.

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Speaker 6: The pitch is ready.

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Speaker 1: Are you live from Wellington sky Stadium ahead of All

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Speaker 1: Blacks v.

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Speaker 19: Australia.

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Speaker 1: It's weekend sport with Jason Vine and GJ Garden Homes,

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Speaker 1: New Zealand's most trusted home builder, News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 2: News Talks B nineteen away from three the black Hat

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01:52:06,547 --> 01:52:10,467
Speaker 2: trail Sri Lanka by five hundred and eighty runs early

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Speaker 2: in their first innings after two days of the second

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Speaker 2: cricket Test at Gaul, Sri Lanka eventually declaring at six

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Speaker 2: hundred and two for five Dinesh chandeml Comindu Mendus and

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Speaker 2: Cousol Mendus, all scoring centuries.

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Speaker 21: Take the ery rute and he joins the company of

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Speaker 21: the creator, Sir Donald Bradman wed that hate block and

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01:52:36,507 --> 01:52:38,427
Speaker 21: he has declared and that.

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Speaker 2: Was the moment the captain was waiting for Glenn Phillips,

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Speaker 2: the best of New Zealand's bowlers with three wickets, and

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Speaker 2: if six hundred and two for five wasn't bad enough,

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Speaker 2: New Zealand twenty two for two in reply opened Tom

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01:52:51,107 --> 01:52:54,627
Speaker 2: Latham out for two, his opening partner Devon Conway for nine.

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01:52:54,987 --> 01:52:58,547
Speaker 2: Came Williamson and night watchman a Jazz Patel at the crease.

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01:52:59,227 --> 01:53:02,187
Speaker 2: So six hundred and two for five declared plays twenty

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01:53:02,307 --> 01:53:06,067
Speaker 2: two for two after two days. Former Black cap Ronnie

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Speaker 2: here with us. That's a pretty grim looking scoreboard, Ronnie,

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01:53:10,107 --> 01:53:10,427
Speaker 2: isn't it.

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Speaker 13: Yeah?

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01:53:12,387 --> 01:53:13,107
Speaker 7: Pretty tough work.

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Speaker 25: And I think they obviously blew a lot of missed

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01:53:16,067 --> 01:53:18,187
Speaker 25: opportunities with the ball on the first day and in

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01:53:18,267 --> 01:53:18,587
Speaker 25: the field.

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01:53:20,067 --> 01:53:22,427
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're going to be costly, aren't they.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know what did you make of New

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01:53:26,467 --> 01:53:29,107
Speaker 2: Zealand's bowling effort six hundred and so, I know it's

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01:53:29,107 --> 01:53:30,507
Speaker 2: a flat track and all of that. They didn't take

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01:53:30,507 --> 01:53:33,747
Speaker 2: their opportunities, but could New Zealand have done more with

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Speaker 2: the ball and in the field.

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Speaker 7: Definitely in the field.

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01:53:38,067 --> 01:53:40,587
Speaker 25: Yeah, Like I said, with those mischances, it becomes difficult

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01:53:40,707 --> 01:53:44,587
Speaker 25: for bowlers to maintain. I guess the energy and morale

2213
01:53:44,627 --> 01:53:46,867
Speaker 25: when you see miss chances happening like that, especially in

2214
01:53:46,907 --> 01:53:49,187
Speaker 25: the first couple of overs when you saw kuner art

2215
01:53:49,267 --> 01:53:51,867
Speaker 25: they get dropped, and then a couple of the stumpings

2216
01:53:51,867 --> 01:53:53,507
Speaker 25: and bits and pieces that just starts to deflate you.

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01:53:53,587 --> 01:53:56,187
Speaker 25: And then when you can't get any momentum or pick

2218
01:53:56,267 --> 01:53:59,267
Speaker 25: up wickets and clumps with new batsmen coming in, then

2219
01:53:59,267 --> 01:54:01,907
Speaker 25: it becomes very difficult. And you just saw guys who

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01:54:02,067 --> 01:54:06,467
Speaker 25: inform for the shril Ankans obviously make make us pay.

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01:54:07,827 --> 01:54:10,627
Speaker 2: In terms of anything that could be done differently with

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01:54:10,907 --> 01:54:13,667
Speaker 2: bowling changes or I mean there's only I know, there's

2223
01:54:13,707 --> 01:54:17,187
Speaker 2: only certain players available to Tim Southey to use and

2224
01:54:17,267 --> 01:54:19,027
Speaker 2: you are going to rely heavily on your spinners. But

2225
01:54:19,267 --> 01:54:20,947
Speaker 2: I look at a guy like Ajas Pttel, who was

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01:54:21,027 --> 01:54:23,547
Speaker 2: really effective, particularly in the second and things of the

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01:54:23,587 --> 01:54:26,867
Speaker 2: first Test with six fur forty one overs none for

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01:54:26,947 --> 01:54:29,587
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty five. Why was he so much

2229
01:54:29,747 --> 01:54:31,067
Speaker 2: less effective this time around?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know.

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01:54:34,147 --> 01:54:36,467
Speaker 25: It did seem that he was obviously bowling where he

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01:54:36,507 --> 01:54:38,107
Speaker 25: had his fast share of rovers, that's for sure, and

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Speaker 25: I think lend Philip's obviously got a few year as

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01:54:40,027 --> 01:54:42,507
Speaker 25: well as just picking out wickets, But I just I

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01:54:42,587 --> 01:54:44,547
Speaker 25: felt like they just couldn't keep pressure on from both

2236
01:54:44,707 --> 01:54:47,267
Speaker 25: ends and in terms of age Azz, I think they

2237
01:54:47,387 --> 01:54:49,747
Speaker 25: just found a method to try and obviously rotate strike,

2238
01:54:49,787 --> 01:54:52,867
Speaker 25: we'll actually attack him and then yeah, obviously at the

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01:54:52,907 --> 01:54:55,147
Speaker 25: other end, we're just trying to keep pressure on. So

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Speaker 25: just don't mean the bottom partnerships really well. And then yeah,

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Speaker 25: as soon as they sort of got a roll on,

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01:55:00,787 --> 01:55:03,427
Speaker 25: it just become difficult to sort of break the partnerships.

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Speaker 4: Really.

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01:55:04,307 --> 01:55:06,187
Speaker 2: I know Willow rourks early in his Test career, but

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01:55:06,347 --> 01:55:08,067
Speaker 2: he was really effective in the first Test as well,

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01:55:08,307 --> 01:55:10,627
Speaker 2: eight wickets across the two innings and that was only

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01:55:10,747 --> 01:55:14,027
Speaker 2: I think thirty five overs across the two innings. No

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01:55:14,467 --> 01:55:17,867
Speaker 2: joy for willow Rock this time again. Was he just

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01:55:18,627 --> 01:55:21,307
Speaker 2: negotiated better by this Lankan batsman this time?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'd say so.

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Speaker 25: I mean that we were side unseen that first Test,

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01:55:25,587 --> 01:55:28,307
Speaker 25: so that probably count a little bit more. Bounty is

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01:55:28,307 --> 01:55:32,587
Speaker 25: obviously very tall, tall bowler, so yeah, a little bit

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01:55:32,587 --> 01:55:37,467
Speaker 25: more bounce of this Lankans probably didn't. They were affecting

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01:55:37,547 --> 01:55:41,107
Speaker 25: that and then yeah, they did the scouting between between

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01:55:41,147 --> 01:55:43,947
Speaker 25: the two test matches, and I think in terms of

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01:55:44,187 --> 01:55:46,827
Speaker 25: management and workload for people that willow rock he's obviously

2258
01:55:46,907 --> 01:55:49,107
Speaker 25: got probably you know, I think it's at least three

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01:55:49,187 --> 01:55:51,507
Speaker 25: tests in India. So they also balanced that out too.

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Speaker 2: When you are in the field like that and you're

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01:55:54,427 --> 01:55:56,547
Speaker 2: not getting wickets and the runs are piling up and

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01:55:56,587 --> 01:56:00,347
Speaker 2: you're going a long time between you know, positive moments,

2263
01:56:00,747 --> 01:56:04,787
Speaker 2: how do you stay energetic? How do you stay up

2264
01:56:04,867 --> 01:56:05,547
Speaker 2: and about.

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01:56:06,947 --> 01:56:07,147
Speaker 5: Tough?

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01:56:07,307 --> 01:56:11,107
Speaker 25: It's tough that usually guided somewhat by the by the keeper.

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01:56:11,187 --> 01:56:13,907
Speaker 25: He's sort of is the as usually and most teams

2268
01:56:13,947 --> 01:56:15,987
Speaker 25: are sort of spark plug to keep guys going and

2269
01:56:16,107 --> 01:56:19,147
Speaker 25: get them around. That's whe obviously where the noise comes

2270
01:56:19,147 --> 01:56:21,507
Speaker 25: from behind the stumps, so some of lots on Blundle

2271
01:56:21,587 --> 01:56:23,467
Speaker 25: is pretty crucial that in that sort of space. And

2272
01:56:23,547 --> 01:56:26,067
Speaker 25: then you just rely on on people like Glenn Phillips,

2273
01:56:26,667 --> 01:56:30,107
Speaker 25: you know who's energizer bunny to try and produce something

2274
01:56:30,147 --> 01:56:33,707
Speaker 25: in the field or keep guys going. But yeah, it's tough, man.

2275
01:56:33,787 --> 01:56:36,187
Speaker 25: With the two days worth of bowling almost the best

2276
01:56:36,227 --> 01:56:38,267
Speaker 25: part of and then you're sending guys out to bat

2277
01:56:38,547 --> 01:56:40,787
Speaker 25: who have had all that time in the legs, then yeah,

2278
01:56:40,867 --> 01:56:43,267
Speaker 25: the situation becomes twenty two for two and we're steering

2279
01:56:43,307 --> 01:56:43,827
Speaker 25: down the barrel.

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01:56:43,867 --> 01:56:46,587
Speaker 2: Really Yeah, So in New Zealand, one's off the table now, Ronnie,

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01:56:46,587 --> 01:56:48,147
Speaker 2: I mean, they're not gonna win it from here. What

2282
01:56:48,347 --> 01:56:50,947
Speaker 2: chance did you give them of saving some face and

2283
01:56:51,667 --> 01:56:54,387
Speaker 2: at least getting out of this without a second straight

2284
01:56:54,427 --> 01:56:55,147
Speaker 2: defeat over there?

2285
01:56:58,067 --> 01:57:00,467
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's probably. Yes, it's going to be tough.

2286
01:57:02,187 --> 01:57:04,587
Speaker 25: I think you are expecting guys like King Williamson to

2287
01:57:04,627 --> 01:57:06,147
Speaker 25: be performing out of a ten out of ten, you know,

2288
01:57:06,427 --> 01:57:08,067
Speaker 25: is going to soak up a lot of time, a

2289
01:57:08,107 --> 01:57:11,547
Speaker 25: lot of effort and produce you know, a really big

2290
01:57:11,707 --> 01:57:13,547
Speaker 25: hundred if not like a double, and then any guy

2291
01:57:13,667 --> 01:57:16,027
Speaker 25: to support him. And even that only breaks half of

2292
01:57:16,147 --> 01:57:18,107
Speaker 25: the back of what they've produced in terms of the

2293
01:57:18,187 --> 01:57:20,427
Speaker 25: first school, first thing schore, you know. So you know

2294
01:57:20,627 --> 01:57:23,227
Speaker 25: day three they have to be they have to be

2295
01:57:23,307 --> 01:57:25,267
Speaker 25: batting by they have to be batting by stumps in

2296
01:57:25,307 --> 01:57:27,307
Speaker 25: their first innings if they are to try and save

2297
01:57:27,347 --> 01:57:27,747
Speaker 25: this test.

2298
01:57:28,387 --> 01:57:30,187
Speaker 2: Should we be worried about Devon Conway?

2299
01:57:31,987 --> 01:57:35,867
Speaker 25: Yep, yep, we shouldn't be, Although that's just missile and

2300
01:57:35,907 --> 01:57:37,707
Speaker 25: the second innings looked a little bit on the first

2301
01:57:37,747 --> 01:57:39,627
Speaker 25: things rather looked a little bit fifty to fifty. I

2302
01:57:39,667 --> 01:57:41,587
Speaker 25: don't know if that ball actually carried to the fielder.

2303
01:57:42,947 --> 01:57:45,227
Speaker 25: So in that regard, I think he's probably a little

2304
01:57:45,227 --> 01:57:47,147
Speaker 25: bit of bad luck. But when things aren't going away,

2305
01:57:47,227 --> 01:57:50,667
Speaker 25: these types of things happen. So in the has sort

2306
01:57:50,667 --> 01:57:52,707
Speaker 25: of situation and how things are going, it's been a

2307
01:57:52,747 --> 01:57:54,987
Speaker 25: little bit lean recently if you look back and see

2308
01:57:54,987 --> 01:57:57,307
Speaker 25: how things are going. So yeah, he just needs to

2309
01:57:57,347 --> 01:57:58,747
Speaker 25: find a way to spend some time in the middle

2310
01:57:58,787 --> 01:58:02,027
Speaker 25: and the runs will essentially start coming. But yeah, it

2311
01:58:02,187 --> 01:58:03,827
Speaker 25: just seems to be stuck at the stuck at the

2312
01:58:03,867 --> 01:58:06,307
Speaker 25: wicked and and you know, getting out with our actual

2313
01:58:07,067 --> 01:58:08,507
Speaker 25: I guess trying to take it to the bowlers.

2314
01:58:09,227 --> 01:58:11,067
Speaker 2: It's a tough stretch, isn't it too, Ronni? Because after

2315
01:58:11,147 --> 01:58:13,467
Speaker 2: this what three tests in India, that's not going to

2316
01:58:13,507 --> 01:58:16,707
Speaker 2: be easy either. It's it's a pretty tough stretch, isn't it.

2317
01:58:16,707 --> 01:58:18,307
Speaker 2: We need to find I mean, and there were positives

2318
01:58:18,347 --> 01:58:20,427
Speaker 2: in the first test. Let's not forget that the bowling

2319
01:58:20,467 --> 01:58:22,627
Speaker 2: I mentioned from Ajas and also will I roll. But yeah,

2320
01:58:22,627 --> 01:58:26,107
Speaker 2: there's some it's a it's a tough, a tough five

2321
01:58:26,187 --> 01:58:27,067
Speaker 2: Test tour, isn't it.

2322
01:58:28,707 --> 01:58:30,187
Speaker 7: Yeah, I just going to to your point there.

2323
01:58:30,187 --> 01:58:32,107
Speaker 25: I think they probably could only have been another ten

2324
01:58:32,187 --> 01:58:33,987
Speaker 25: to twenty percent better in the first Test, and they

2325
01:58:34,027 --> 01:58:35,707
Speaker 25: have won that. You know, in that first innings, if

2326
01:58:35,707 --> 01:58:38,347
Speaker 25: they've got another twenty or thirty runs and eked it out,

2327
01:58:38,427 --> 01:58:40,227
Speaker 25: then that last set of day, you know, in only

2328
01:58:40,307 --> 01:58:42,747
Speaker 25: chasing twenty or thirty, it becomes a lot easier. But

2329
01:58:42,827 --> 01:58:44,867
Speaker 25: obviously stirring down trying to get sixty with the last

2330
01:58:44,867 --> 01:58:47,347
Speaker 25: two wickets is pretty difficult to do. So I think

2331
01:58:47,347 --> 01:58:49,067
Speaker 25: they missed opportunity for the Black Cats was in that

2332
01:58:49,147 --> 01:58:50,747
Speaker 25: first Test and the first in things where they didn't

2333
01:58:50,747 --> 01:58:53,427
Speaker 25: get a big enough lead. And then obviously, yeah in

2334
01:58:53,467 --> 01:58:55,227
Speaker 25: the first innings here they've obviously been put to the

2335
01:58:55,267 --> 01:58:57,947
Speaker 25: sword while there by the shink and batsman. So yeah,

2336
01:58:57,987 --> 01:59:00,187
Speaker 25: a few positives to take however, you know, Yeah, three

2337
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Speaker 25: tests against India. You can see how they're performing at

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Speaker 25: the moment against Dangladesh and it's going to be tough

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Speaker 25: in their own conditions and the way that they sort

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Speaker 25: of attack their Test cricket.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 25: If they make any changes. I don't know if they

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Speaker 25: go to the bench then put some other guys in,

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Speaker 25: But they've got to find a way to be competitive

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Speaker 25: at least.

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Speaker 2: Well, great chance for somebody over the next couple of

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Speaker 2: days to get big runs. As you say, three days

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Speaker 2: to ban if you like, really at least a couple

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Speaker 2: of days. I mean, Caine Rtchen they've got you know,

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Speaker 2: they've got form in terms of spending time with that crease.

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Speaker 2: I guess if you turn it around, there is an

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Speaker 2: opportunity for somebody to get a big, big score.

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Speaker 25: Yet, yeah, you're right, it is, but the wicket's not

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Speaker 25: been a get easier about on so ech I think

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Speaker 25: can make it look really easy. But then you can

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Speaker 25: see obviously when we're banning it, it's a lot more difficult.

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Speaker 25: When you've got to you know, you've got to try

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Speaker 25: and hang in there to stumps, and they're starting in

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Speaker 25: the next day. I mean, I think the best thing

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Speaker 25: they can do is try and just not worry about

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Speaker 25: what they've scored now that's done and dusted, and just

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Speaker 25: try and make sure that they're making every sort of

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Speaker 25: partnership go as long as they can, and try and

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Speaker 25: make it towards stumps. If we're banning again today and

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Speaker 25: it's our second innings, then yeah, we're obviously well on

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Speaker 25: the road to losing this Test within sort of four days.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, great to chat Ronnie. Thanks for taking our call mate.

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Speaker 7: That's funny.

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Speaker 2: All the best mate, Ronnie.

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Speaker 12: Here are there?

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Speaker 2: Former black Cap Keen, observer of the game of cricket. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's tough, real tough in New Zealand from here six

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Speaker 2: hundred and two for five declared, Yeah, the winds off

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Speaker 2: the table. Let's be realistic about this, twenty two for two.

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Speaker 2: Cain Williamson there with ajs Pttel who went out as

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Speaker 2: night watchman at the fall of the second wicket late

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Speaker 2: on day two. But yeah, Kane's just going to have

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Speaker 2: to bat and bat and bad. And then you look

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Speaker 2: at the likes of rich and Ravendra, who, let's not

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Speaker 2: forget you got a double one hundred las summer, didn't

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Speaker 2: he against an albeit weekend South African side, so knows

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Speaker 2: how to spend time at the crease and got that

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Speaker 2: ninety odd in the first Test as well. So in

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Speaker 2: these conditions has shown an ability to bat for long periods.

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Speaker 2: You need someone else there as well. Obviously, the likes

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Speaker 2: of a Darrel Mitchell, Tom Blundell, maybe even a Glenn

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Speaker 2: Phillips to spend a decent amount of time at the

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Speaker 2: crease over partnerships like like srel Anka. Did you look

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Speaker 2: at the partnerships that they put together in their innings

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Speaker 2: and it was just such a long long time between

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Speaker 2: periods of success for New Zealand. You know, must just

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Speaker 2: be so demoralizing when you can't pick up up wickets,

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Speaker 2: you know in clumps, when it just takes well, mean,

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Speaker 2: they got that first one quite early, didn't they. They

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Speaker 2: were two for one, then one hundred and twenty two

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Speaker 2: runs for the second wicket, then another nearly one hundred

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Speaker 2: runs for the third, another one hundred runs for the fourth,

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Speaker 2: sixty odd until they got their fifth wicket, and then

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Speaker 2: another one hundred runs before they declared. So century partnerships

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Speaker 2: just dotted right across the Sri Lankan first innings. When

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Speaker 2: you build partnerships, score mounts and you make it difficult

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Speaker 2: for your opposition. So play starts on day three at

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Speaker 2: around four thirty this afternoon in New Zealand. Resume twenty

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Speaker 2: two for two with Cam Williamson and ajz Ptel together

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Speaker 2: nine away from three News Talks B.

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Speaker 1: When's down to the line. You made a call on

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Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Pine

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Speaker 1: News Talks B.

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Speaker 2: Six to three just before we le weekends. Boy just

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Speaker 2: wanted to make mention of Sam Kain, who today becomes

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Speaker 2: the All Blacks thirteenth Test century. In a bit of

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Speaker 2: a long and winding road to the century for Sam Kain.

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Speaker 2: He debuted in twenty twelve, had to bide his time

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Speaker 2: as Richie McCaw's understudy, then had the unenviable task of

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Speaker 2: being the guy who took the seven jersey when our

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Speaker 2: greatest player ever retired. When he and Foster took over,

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Speaker 2: Sam Kane was handed the captaincy again, had to follow

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Speaker 2: one of our great leaders and Karen Reid. And there's

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Speaker 2: always this underlying feeling that he didn't absolutely command his

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Speaker 2: place in the team as McCaw and Red had and

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Speaker 2: that's never helpful as the captain, especially when you're not winning.

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Speaker 2: And during the Trials and Tribulations of twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: he was as much escape got as Ian Foster for

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Speaker 2: the All Blacks' poor performances, but he produced that performance

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Speaker 2: for the ages in the World Cup quarter final last year.

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Speaker 2: One many people will remember when they remember Sam Caine

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Speaker 2: in a black jersey. His teammates to a man talk

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Speaker 2: about his influence in the playing group, his integrity, his professionalism,

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Speaker 2: and the way he carried himself with dignity and pride

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Speaker 2: even when things weren't going so well on the field.

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Speaker 2: He deserves his moment tonight and his place in an

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Speaker 2: exclusive club. Understand there'll be a presentation to Sam Kine

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Speaker 2: after the final whistle tonight as he becomes All Black

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Speaker 2: Centurion number thirteen. That is us on Weekend Sport for today,

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Speaker 2: we're back after six building towards a kick off at

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Speaker 2: seven o'clock here at Sky Stadium. Huge thanks for listening in.

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Speaker 2: Big thanks to Andy McDonald for producing the show. What

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Speaker 2: have you gone with for an exit song today? Andy? Yeah, Well, Poney,

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Speaker 2: it's you. It is quite an important song, obviously.

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Speaker 30: It's We had the untimely news stay of the death

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Speaker 30: of Maggie Smith, who famously played Violet Crawley in one

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Speaker 30: of the great television series, Downton Abbey. So I've chosen

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Speaker 30: the theme song for Downton Abbey just to remember Maggie

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Speaker 30: Smith by.

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Speaker 2: It's a good one too. We'll see you tonight at

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Speaker 2: six Tim Beverage After three

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