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Speaker 1: Tough on power, Sharp on Insight, Heather Duplicy Allen on

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Speaker 1: the Mike asking Breakfast with a Vida, Retirement, Communities, Life

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Speaker 1: Your Way, News, Toms Head.

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Speaker 2: Bod Morning and welcome, coming up to the coming up

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Speaker 2: on the show today, the RMA. We've got the details out,

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Speaker 2: do we like it? Is it what we hope? Or

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Speaker 2: Mike's use the boss at contact will tell us how

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Speaker 2: much easy it's going to make building electricity generation? And

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Speaker 2: then Chris Bishop on how much time we're going to

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Speaker 2: spend in court testing this new law. We'll get you

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Speaker 2: across the landmark win with the Supreme Court backing disabled

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Speaker 2: family cares as homeworkers. Also tell you about our first

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Speaker 2: Stone Skimming Championship. Steve Price does Australia, Richard Arnold does

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Speaker 2: the US, and Jinny and Mark do politics Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: Heather Dupericy Allen, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, cast your mind back a couple of weeks to

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Speaker 2: what Roger Gray, the boss of Auckland Port, said, New

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Speaker 2: Zealand is a country that says no so often that

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Speaker 2: Miami Cruz bosses he spoke to had taken to calling

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Speaker 2: us no Zealand. And yesterday the government unveiled its plan

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Speaker 2: for how we stop that, how we stop saying no

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Speaker 2: to everything. It's a rewriter of the RM, because the

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Speaker 2: RMA is part of the which has turned no into

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Speaker 2: an art form in this country. No to your deck,

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Speaker 2: no to that road, No to you putting a door

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Speaker 2: on the side of your house rather than at the

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Speaker 2: front of the house. We are a country the size

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Speaker 2: of Japan geographically, yet we have twelve hundred planning zones,

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Speaker 2: each with its own unique, bespoke set of rules, while

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Speaker 2: Japan has thirteen zones. So Chris Bishop's proposal is to

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Speaker 2: take that twelve hundred, drop it down to seventeen, still

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Speaker 2: more than Japan, but it's about a seven thousand percent reduction,

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Speaker 2: So you know you'll take that. So prolific and ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Of the stories that we can tell each one of

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Speaker 2: us about our encounters with the RMA, that I think

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Speaker 2: that you would struggle to find anyone who opposes changed.

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Speaker 2: The trouble has always been agreeing to what that change

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Speaker 2: looks like, and that is no different this time around.

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Speaker 2: This reform RM is welcome, it's overdue, it's brave, It

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Speaker 2: is almost certainly going to help the country grow, But

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Speaker 2: mark my words, it will create all kinds of political

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Speaker 2: problems because look at the case of Auckland and Wellington.

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Speaker 2: Both cities need to build more houses inside the city

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Speaker 2: centers right densify. But the minute the rules changed to

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Speaker 2: make that a reality, the nimbi start complaining. And that

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Speaker 2: is exactly what's going to happen with the RAMA, because sure,

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Speaker 2: your property rights are being strengthened so that you can

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Speaker 2: do whatever you want on your property, but the same

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Speaker 2: goes for your neighbour, which means that if he wants

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Speaker 2: to build that big whatever that you're going to have

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Speaker 2: to look at, you might not be able to say

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Speaker 2: no to that anymore. None of us want to lose

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Speaker 2: our viees. None of us want to have a road

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Speaker 2: running it right next to us. None of us want

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Speaker 2: the infrastructure development to kill the precious indigenous snail. But

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Speaker 2: all of those things might happen now more easily because

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Speaker 2: we're all losing some of our ability to say no.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: I think that is a good thing. There has been

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Speaker 2: too much no, clearly no Zealand, but saying yes, we'll

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Speaker 2: take some. Getting used to.

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Speaker 3: News of the world in ninety seconds right Well, in.

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Speaker 2: The UK, the throat booming gang inquiry has a new

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Speaker 2: chair and the government is doing its best to sprook

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Speaker 2: that it's back on track.

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Speaker 5: They were seen by many parts of society ALA is

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Speaker 5: essentially white trash, that these girls were somehow not manly children,

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Speaker 5: that they were at making decisions as if they were

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Speaker 5: in control of their lives, that they were not victims

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Speaker 5: of coercion and serious abuse. That is why I think

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Speaker 5: this process is so essential.

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Speaker 2: Now are reporting to that I five agent code named

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Speaker 2: stake Knife, who murdered for the IRA, has revealed that

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Speaker 2: five actually helped the double agent escape justice in Ireland

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Speaker 2: wants an apology.

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Speaker 6: You've had previous apologies. David Cameron's comes to mind with

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Speaker 6: regards to belief Sunday there was ongoing legal matters. We

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Speaker 6: all know there's always ongoing legal matters. This is Northern Ireland.

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Speaker 6: Just do the right thing.

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Speaker 2: The report and the investigation cost ninety mili and it

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Speaker 2: lasted nine years.

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Speaker 7: Serving police officers so operation canover reports and serving members

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Speaker 7: of the armed forces were colluding with those who were

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Speaker 7: murdering people a very large number of people.

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Speaker 2: Kimmy Bednock is trying to push her leadership credentials despite

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Speaker 2: terrible polling. Previous oppositions have been eighteen years, thirteen years,

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Speaker 2: fourteen years. I've been doing this job for twelve months.

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Speaker 2: There is plenty of work to do, but I'm up

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Speaker 2: for the fight. As every economist and his dog points

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Speaker 2: to an affordability crisis in the US, Trump reckons lower

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Speaker 2: petrol prices, which analysts say he hasn't affected, is actually

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Speaker 2: proof that the economy is trending in the right direction.

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Speaker 8: If you think it gasoline a gallon, they had it

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Speaker 8: at four dollars and fifty cents, almost five dollars. You

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Speaker 8: go to some of the states, he edited at six dollars.

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Speaker 8: We hit three states two days ago, one dollar and

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Speaker 8: ninety nine cent a gown.

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Speaker 2: We've got new breakthrough leukemia treatment.

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Speaker 9: It edited the single basis within the genes of these

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Speaker 9: cells to make them target this specific type of leukemia.

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Speaker 9: And this was no simple task. This type of leukemia

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Speaker 9: comes from the T cells too, so they very cleverly

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Speaker 9: had to edit these genes.

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Speaker 2: And finally, Seattle has made just a little bit of

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Speaker 2: a faux pa as part of the FIFA World Cup,

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Speaker 2: Seattle's hosting an lgbt Q plus pride match. Problem with

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Speaker 2: the matches. The two teams playing in the Pride Match

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Speaker 2: are Egypt and Iran. Now, just to refresh your memory,

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Speaker 2: one of those countries in prisons gay people, while the

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Speaker 2: other has the death penalty on the cards if you're gay.

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Speaker 2: So they're rightfully coppying a little bit of flak for

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Speaker 2: that particular decision. You can see. Let's news of the

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Speaker 2: world in ninety seconds. Now over in Australia, been keeping

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Speaker 2: you abreast of what's going on with the big spending

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Speaker 2: Sports Minister Annika Wells gets worse. She has been revealed.

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Speaker 2: It has now been revealed that she left a government

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Speaker 2: limo waiting for nearly ten hours while she attended the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two NURL and NRLW Grand Finals, costing taxpayers

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Speaker 2: more than twelve hundred dollars. Now, if you're like here

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Speaker 2: that you told us about this yesterday. Yeah, Now what

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Speaker 2: I told you was she kept a limo waiting at

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Speaker 2: the Aussie Open for something like seven hours, costing nearly

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Speaker 2: one thousand dollars. I don't know, twelve hundred dollars for

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Speaker 2: ten hours, one thousand dollars for seven hours. It's all

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Speaker 2: getting worse, isn't it. And this is on top of

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Speaker 2: the thousands of dollars in flights that the taxpayers had

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Speaker 2: to spring for her husband to go to various other

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Speaker 2: fun of ever with her very big trouble that she's in,

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Speaker 2: although the predictions are that Elbow will stick with her

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Speaker 2: because apparently he would rather sandpaper his shins than have

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Speaker 2: to admit that he's made the bad call putting her

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Speaker 2: in the job. Thirteen past six.

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Speaker 2: If you've been following what's going on with Paramount Netflix,

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump has weighed into this. Now, so we'll have

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Speaker 2: a chat to Richard Arnold with us just after half

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Speaker 2: past run us through those details. Sixteen past six Andrew

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Speaker 2: Andrew Morning, Heather Westpax, end of the party for all

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Speaker 2: of us?

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Speaker 4: Is it?

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Speaker 10: Well, there's something going on here head. It's not really

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Speaker 10: been picked up much in sort of I suppose, the

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Speaker 10: mainstream media, but pretty significant stuff going on in the

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Speaker 10: wholesale interest rate markets at the moment. And this is

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Speaker 10: official cash rate review. Now, while the official cash rate

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Speaker 10: might have been sort of dropped by twenty five basis points,

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Speaker 10: the reaction that we've seen in wholesale markets has been

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Speaker 10: pretty swift. It's been pretty severe, and it's been in

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Speaker 10: completely the opposite direction because since that meeting, wholesale interest

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Speaker 10: illustrate this for you. Have the two year swap rates,

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Speaker 10: that was the low. Since then, it's been one way traffic,

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Speaker 10: and it's really accelerated after that Mountreal policy statement. Now

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Speaker 10: over three percent three point six I think it got

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Speaker 10: to yesterday. That is a big move in wholesale markets.

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Speaker 10: But if I look at a slightly longer rate, the

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Speaker 10: sort of think about, well, where would a wholesale fixed

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Speaker 10: three point seven percent. Now that's pretty much an eighty

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Speaker 10: the wholesale markets have been rattled by and have reacted

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Speaker 10: quite strongly to the RBNZ, effectively watering down any talk

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Speaker 10: this is I am now speculating, Heather, I'm going to

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Speaker 10: do a little bit of speculation. It looks like the

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Speaker 10: hot money, like the overseas hedge funds, they've been positioned

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Speaker 10: for lower rates, and the MPs, the Monty Pols statements

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Speaker 10: So the thing is where this the rubber hits the

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Speaker 10: road on this, Heather, it looks alms like fixed rate

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Speaker 10: mortgages will become potentially more expensive, that of course will

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Speaker 10: dull the impact on household budgets from from sort of

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Speaker 10: fixing refixing mortgage rates and presents a real conundrum for

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Speaker 10: the Reserve Bank of New Zealand. And remember they don't

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Speaker 10: talk about any of this now until February, so at

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Speaker 10: tricky times for the rbn Z.

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Speaker 4: Not quite sure.

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Speaker 10: I mean they've tried to leave a clean state for

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Speaker 10: the for the new governor coming in, but they're going

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Speaker 10: to have some issues when then readdress this in February.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. Now what did you make of the RBA

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Speaker 2: decision yesterday?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, so this is quite interesting because while we contemplate

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Speaker 10: the wholesale smashing of interest rates here in New Zealand,

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Speaker 10: the RBA yesterday reviewed the cash rate across the Tasman

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Speaker 10: Now they held rate steady at three point six percent,

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Speaker 10: which is quite a bit higher than the OCI here

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Speaker 10: in New Zealand. Remember we're at two and a quarter.

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Speaker 10: The outcome was widely expected. But the issue here now

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Speaker 10: there's a fairly widely held school of thought that the

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Speaker 10: next move by the RBA will be up now. The

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Speaker 10: RBA cited the need to assess the persistem inflationment pressures.

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Speaker 10: They're very much awake the se mode. The thing is

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Speaker 10: and then Governor Michelle Bullock fronts up to a press

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Speaker 10: conference that was arguably more hawkish than the statement might

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Speaker 4: In twenty twenty six, highlighted.

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Speaker 10: That the committed discussion was well, it was basically about

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Speaker 10: So lots of stuff going on, great day, fascinating day.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff, Andrew, Thank you, Andrew, kellaher enjoy your morning,

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Speaker 12: Our intel chain is compromised.

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Speaker 9: How long have you willingly been committing trees and against

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Speaker 12: Government.

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Speaker 2: Alexander, Someone's been watching and listening through you.

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Speaker 3: You're telling me it's real.

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Speaker 12: That's a while by signal streaming from your head.

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Speaker 3: You were hucked.

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Speaker 13: We can either attempt to remove what's in your brain

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Speaker 12: No matter what anybody says, I did not betray this country.

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Speaker 14: We either save the mission or save his life.

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Speaker 2: it is a Peacock original. It means it will also

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Speaker 2: Morning, Heather, what do you know of Kiwi Rail selling

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Speaker 2: I don't think, Simon, I don't. I don't think locomotives

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Speaker 2: with us morning, Sue, Good morning Heather. Do you expect

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Speaker 15: I absolutely west Pack has been leading the way with

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Speaker 2: Does that mean, Sue, then, for anybody you know, at

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Speaker 15: Not necessarily because it is possible to break the rate,

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Speaker 2: is it possible that the Reserve Bank governor the new one,

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Speaker 15: I believe that's certainly possible because a lot of it

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Speaker 15: So if you're seeing five point two nine, it's quite

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Speaker 2: What I'm taking from you is suit don't panic.

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Speaker 15: Absolutely, it's disappointing just at Christmas time, it really is,

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Speaker 2: Hey, that's fantastic, adye. Thank you very much. So suit

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Speaker 2: Can you believe it? Breaking news is world's first band

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Speaker 2: B Listen there was a reasonably big decision yesterday from

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 2: Richard Arnold US corresponders with US Morning Richard, Good morning Heather.

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Speaker 2: So Trump's got involved in this Netflix deal.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, he's inserted himself into the TV and movie wars,

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Speaker 16: of course a target for Trump's fury. The Ellison group

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Speaker 16: also is joined with a private equity firm led by

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Speaker 16: Da Da Trump's son in lawd Jared Kushner. So that's

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Speaker 16: another Kushna enterprise. When he's not off in Moscow talking

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Speaker 16: with Putin, however, Trump has been putting out scathing social

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Speaker 16: media posts, now lashing paramount, which recently took over CBS

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Speaker 16: because he is furious about former Mega supporter Marjorie Taylor

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Speaker 16: Green lashing out at risident Trump on sixty Minutes. This week,

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Speaker 16: Marjorie Taylor Green slam Trump in her Sixty Minutes interview

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Speaker 16: with Leslie Stall, revealing what Trump said to her privately

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Speaker 16: about her support for the female victims of pedophile Jeffrey

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Speaker 16: Epstein and her backing for the release of the Epstein files.

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Speaker 17: We did talk about the epsn files, and he was

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Speaker 17: extremely angry at me that I had signed the discharged

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Speaker 17: petition to release the files. I fully believe that those

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Speaker 17: women deserve everything they're asking. They're asking for all of

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Speaker 17: it to come out. They deserve it. And he was

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Speaker 17: furious with me.

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Speaker 12: What did he say?

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Speaker 17: He said that it was going to hurt people.

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Speaker 16: So Trump is posting repeatedly about disclaiming that sixty Minutes

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Speaker 16: has become worse in his mind and calling Green a

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Speaker 16: quote low IQ traitor. Green, who voted with Trump ninety

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Speaker 16: eight percent of the time before they fill out over

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Speaker 16: the pedophilia scandal, now says she's received bomb threats to

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Speaker 16: her home and death threats to her son because of

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Speaker 16: Trump's verbal attacks. She says she complained to the White

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Speaker 16: House and says Trump replied, but she says she will

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Speaker 16: keep his response private because she says it wasn't nice.

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Speaker 2: Now I see this political interview, a political interview that

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Speaker 2: he's given as getting quite a few headlines, isn't it?

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Speaker 4: Why not?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, he was fired up on many issues. In this interview,

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Speaker 16: He's hinted that he might walk away from Ukraine and

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Speaker 16: slamming Europe as week and calling some unnamed European leader stupid.

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Speaker 16: Trump is calling on Ukraine's president Zelensky to seede territory

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Speaker 16: to Russia. He says Zelenski must quote play ball, and

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Speaker 16: says Russia retains the upper hand. Zelensky has said Ukraine

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Speaker 16: is not open to surrendering in this way. An American

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Speaker 16: walkout on Ukraine, of course, would be a pivotal move

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Speaker 16: by the United States. In his Politico interview, Trump repeatedly

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Speaker 16: described what he said were Europe's problems in racial terms. Mostly,

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Speaker 16: he said, quote the immigration policy is a disaster, adding

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Speaker 16: that soon quote many of these countries will not be

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Speaker 16: viable countries anymore. Meantime, Trump's self described Secretary of War

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Speaker 16: Pete Hegseth is briefing lawmakers again today on the boat

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Speaker 16: strike scandal. Trump reversed himself on releasing the video of

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Speaker 16: the second boat stripe, which course killed two survivors of

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Speaker 16: the Venezuelan drug boat some forty minutes after the initial

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Speaker 16: American attack.

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Speaker 18: Trump was asked, mister president, you said you would have

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Speaker 18: no problem with releasing the full video of that strike

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Speaker 18: on September second, off the colast of Venezuela. Secretary, you

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Speaker 18: said that.

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Speaker 12: I didn't say that.

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Speaker 3: This is ABC fankness.

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Speaker 18: You said that you would have no problem releasing the

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Speaker 18: full bit. Okay, Well, Secretary hagsad whatever he sayth wants

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Speaker 18: to do is okay with you.

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Speaker 16: Well, Trump's denial is a lie. Last week Trump said

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Speaker 16: this about the issue.

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Speaker 13: I don't know what they are, but whatever they have

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Speaker 13: would certainly release no problem.

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Speaker 16: They release it no problem. Now, Trump insists he never said,

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Speaker 16: but we all just heard him say. Trump then slammed

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Speaker 16: the ABC that reporter Rachel Scott, who kept at him

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Speaker 16: about all of this. So Trump responded, are you.

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Speaker 2: Committing to releasing the full video?

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Speaker 13: Didn't I just tell you that you said that it

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Speaker 13: was up to Stary. No noxious reporter of the whole place.

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Speaker 13: Let me just tell you you are an obnoxious, a

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Speaker 13: terrible actually a terrible reporter. And it's always the same

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Speaker 13: thing with you. I told you, whatever Pete Heggsath wants

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Speaker 13: to do is okay with him.

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Speaker 16: This is just the latest Trump attack on women journalists.

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Speaker 16: Another he called ugly inside and out, and to yet

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Speaker 16: another he silenced her by saying, quiet, Peggy.

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Speaker 2: It's fun times, Richard, thank you very much, appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Richard Arnold, US correspondent on the subject of Trump. It

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Speaker 2: appears Trump is the reason that the government's bill to

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Speaker 2: try and save the media or try to assist the

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Speaker 2: media was shelved. Do you remember this. This was the

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Speaker 2: fair Digital Media Bargaining Bill that a lot of the

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Speaker 2: media were really hoping, this is here in New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: we're really hoping would be some like go some way

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Speaker 2: to assisting them in terms of being able to get

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Speaker 2: the big tech guys to pay for using the news

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Speaker 2: and stuff like that. Anyway, it was with Goldie was

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Speaker 2: doing it, Paul Goldsmith, and then it was withdrawn in May,

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Speaker 2: and he's now admitted he withdrew it or had it

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Speaker 2: withdrawn because of concerns over how Donald Trump might respond

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Speaker 2: because Trump had been threatening other countries who were considering

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Speaker 2: enacting or progressing similar legislation. So we just looked at

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Speaker 2: it and went man, not worth the trouble. Now we

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Speaker 2: know why. Now heither here's a text. The wholesale rates,

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Speaker 2: global bond yields are all going up and will continue

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Speaker 2: to do so. There is nothing that central banks can

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Speaker 2: do apart from print money. The ocr does not set

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Speaker 2: the cost of money. The markets do, and anyone that

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Speaker 2: says otherwise doesn't understand the financi your markets grant, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Ten away from seven, Heather.

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Speaker 1: Do Lussie Allen fond of my casking breakfast with Bailey's

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Speaker 1: real estate news dogs there be.

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Speaker 2: Heather, Why did the speaker Jerry brownly allow the anti

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Speaker 2: Israel protest to continue in the public gallery yesterday? He

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Speaker 2: didn't stand, he didn't stop it, he didn't attempt to,

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Speaker 2: he didn't call for security. It disrupted the start of

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Speaker 2: question time. So good question. I mean, it's actually quite dangerous,

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Speaker 2: Like there's a reason that that stuff's not allowed to

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Speaker 2: happen from up there, because you've got people sitting literally

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Speaker 2: above the MPs and if they start dropping flyers. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's cool to drop the pamphlets. Well, what if it's

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Speaker 2: not pamphlets that dropping on people's heads. That's why we

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Speaker 2: don't usually tolerate that. If I get a chance, I

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Speaker 2: will talk to Chris Bishop, because I think is he

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Speaker 2: the leader of the house. I think he might be.

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Speaker 2: He's obviously with us to talk about the RMA, So

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Speaker 2: if we get a chance, we'll pop him a question. Hither,

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Speaker 2: I've got an RMA story for you. This is our

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Speaker 2: garage for a new garage crossing across the berm four

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Speaker 2: six hundred dollars, but then for the traffic management ten thousand,

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Speaker 2: six hundred dollars. Outrageous, Lisa, Life in New Zealand, isn't

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Speaker 2: it anyway? I'll give you my young and a tick

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Speaker 2: right now. It's five a really six away from seven.

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Speaker 3: All the inns are the outs.

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Speaker 1: It's the biz with business favor take your business productivity

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Speaker 1: to the next level.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I've got the year in Housing report from

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Speaker 2: Cotality this morning. It's called the best of the Best.

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Speaker 2: Report looks at everything from the values, the rent yield,

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Speaker 2: the time on the market. So what did twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: five deliver you broadly stagnation. Mike, we didn't know that. Yes,

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Speaker 2: we had lower mortgage rates which boosted sales volumes, but

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Speaker 2: when the economy is sluggish in the labor market isn't

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Speaker 2: much better. People really aren't keen on putting themselves in

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Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of debt, and property

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Speaker 2: value suffered as a result. The lack of added value

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Speaker 2: has been good news for first home buyers, though they

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Speaker 2: make up about twenty nine percent of the purchasing market.

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Speaker 2: Rents have dropped across the board, especially in the main centre,

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Speaker 2: so it's been good for tenants, bad for mum and

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Speaker 2: Dad investors. Auckland still has the pricier suburbs in the country.

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Speaker 2: Eight of the ten is an Auckland. Herne Bay leads

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Speaker 2: the way with the median value of two point six million.

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Speaker 2: Arrowtown and Tamaheri and the Wikuttle were the only other

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Speaker 2: suburbs outside of Auckland to make the top ten. Now

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Speaker 2: would you have expected this? Wellington Central is the most

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Speaker 2: affordable suburb, with an average median of three hundred and

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Speaker 2: eighteen thousand dollars. That's because there are lots of one

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Speaker 2: bedroom apartments. Best growth. That was in Graymouth, where property

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Speaker 2: values are now up sixty percent in the last five years.

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Speaker 2: Some of yould in Christchurch and Hokitika were not far behind,

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Speaker 2: with fifty percent of growth since twenty twenty. Overall, about

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Speaker 2: ninety thousand homes will be sold this year. Ego, it's

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Speaker 2: almost everything you need to know about house prices, but

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Speaker 2: not quite. I've got a little bit more for you

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Speaker 2: later on. So this is what happened to me with

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Speaker 2: the arramee.

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Speaker 15: Right.

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Speaker 2: So I was telling you yesterday I had to put

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Speaker 2: a pool in. Well I didn't have to put a pool,

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Speaker 2: and I chose to put a pool in. So you know,

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Speaker 2: your sympathy for me is going to be limited. I

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Speaker 2: suppose if in putting in the pool, if you do

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Speaker 2: it in a certain way, you're just going to trigger

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Speaker 2: some like standard consenting issues.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: That's fine, you go through the usual consents, but if

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Speaker 2: you do certain other things, all of a sudden, you'll

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Speaker 2: find yourself against you, your better judgment and all of

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Speaker 2: your hopes and dreams, triggering an RMA requirement. We got

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Speaker 2: really close to that. So when we got to that

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Speaker 2: stage and we were trying so hard to design the thing,

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Speaker 2: so we didn't have to go through the RMA. When

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Speaker 2: we got to that, we thought we had to go

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Speaker 2: through the RM so we called up the pool people

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Speaker 2: and I was like, bloody hell, what do I do?

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Speaker 2: And they said, oh, here we go. This is the

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Speaker 2: name of the RMA consultants that we use. And I

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Speaker 2: was like really, So I called the RMA consultants and

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Speaker 2: I said to them, what is it going to charge

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Speaker 2: me to use you? And they said five thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: and I said, but hang on to just explain something

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Speaker 2: to me, as aren't you just literally going to go

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Speaker 2: with my plans to the neighbors and say to the neighbors,

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Speaker 2: is this call? And they were like, yes, that's what

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Speaker 2: we're going to do. But some people don't like talking

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Speaker 2: to their neighbors. And I thought, I'll be doing that,

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Speaker 2: thank you very much. But that goes to show just

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Speaker 2: how lucrative this is and how complicated people will pay

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Speaker 2: five thousand dollars just to have somebody sought out the

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Speaker 2: RMA for them. Anyway, we didn't get to that point,

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Speaker 2: thank god, but Mike hused Contact Energy next on that.

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Speaker 3: Incredible, compelling The Breakfast Show.

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Speaker 1: You can't best It's hither Duplessy Allen on the MIC

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Speaker 1: asking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate, doing real estate differently

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Speaker 1: since nineteen seventy three News togsda'd.

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Speaker 2: B good morning. So we've got our first look at

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Speaker 2: the proposed RMA reform, and it is significant. Around twelve

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Speaker 2: hundred planning zones in this country will now be reduced

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Speaker 2: to seventeen. Councils will be kept out of many building

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Speaker 2: decisions on private properties, and instead they will be expected

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Speaker 2: to compensate homeowners for decisions like imposing heritage status. A

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Speaker 2: key focus is on getting infrastructure built faster and cheaper,

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Speaker 2: and on that subject, Mike Fuseus, the chief executive at

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Speaker 2: Contact Energy.

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Speaker 3: Morning Mic, good morning, can marry you see?

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Speaker 2: I'm well? Do you like what you see?

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Speaker 19: Absolutely? We think it is a well I termed it

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Speaker 19: a COVID type outbreak of common sense. It's going to

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Speaker 19: liberate this company country from a whole burden of bureaucracy

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Speaker 19: and this complication.

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Speaker 2: What is more significant you is it saving money on consents?

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Speaker 2: Is it speeding up the consense or is it giving

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Speaker 2: you the certainty that you're going to get a.

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Speaker 19: Yes, it's last two. It's the consenting process itself is

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Speaker 19: expensive and very burtisome for small, smaller companies, and we

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Speaker 19: acknowledge that, but it's the pace. It is a pace

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Speaker 19: of building infrastructure we need to continue for us. We

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Speaker 19: need to continue building rendurable energy as quickly as we

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Speaker 19: can to make up a short ul of ingenous country

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Speaker 19: from the collapse of the gas industry. We need pay Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And how much faster do you think it's going to

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Speaker 2: make it?

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Speaker 19: I think it will take years off. The critical thing

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Speaker 19: is where the devil is in the detail is the

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Speaker 19: appeal right, so that it doesn't once you've got a consent,

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Speaker 19: you're not then bogged into a bogged down in a

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Speaker 19: very lengthy court process. And so if we have absolute

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Speaker 19: clarity and clarity on that, this country has a one

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Speaker 19: off opportunity to really get going.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean what can you do about that though,

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Speaker 2: because that's that's a right to anyone, isn't it.

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Speaker 19: What's that that's a.

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Speaker 2: Thing a being able to appeal for roll?

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Speaker 19: No, I think that the Look, there's a couple of

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Speaker 19: things which are important. One is the intent of the

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Speaker 19: legislation is clear. So if anyone does wander off to court,

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Speaker 19: judiciary have very clear direction about where the intent of

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Speaker 19: legislation is. The second thing is the number of interested parties.

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Speaker 19: It's been restricted to actually parties who don't have a

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Speaker 19: passing interest or opinion. We've all got opinions. It's parties

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Speaker 19: who actually are affected and I think that's a critical

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Speaker 19: It's not just every curtain twitter that happens along. It's

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Speaker 19: actually affected parties that can have a comment.

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Speaker 2: So if you're wanting to build ar don't no I

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Speaker 2: mean any one of you electricity generation projects, who are

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Speaker 2: you likely to have to go and speak to?

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Speaker 19: So it's affected parties. So you will obviously you'll one

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Speaker 19: first thing, you'll do the right thing. You'll be responsible,

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Speaker 19: you will take care of the biodiversity. You will make

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Speaker 19: sure you're doing the best thing as a good citizen.

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Speaker 19: That's number one. Number two, it's the affected parties who

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Speaker 19: have a higher threshold of being affected. So it might

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Speaker 19: be neighbors, it might be if there's going to be

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Speaker 19: a bit of noise during construction that you have to

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Speaker 19: go and talk to people who are affected by that.

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Speaker 19: But it's not someone four hundred miles down the road

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Speaker 19: in Wellington who's just got an opinion that your solar

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Speaker 19: farm or wind farm shouldn't be built.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fair point, Mike. One of the estimations was that

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Speaker 2: we spend about one point three billion dollars each year

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Speaker 2: and this is just on infrastructure trying to get these consents.

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Speaker 2: Does that numbers sound about right to you?

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Speaker 19: That sounds quite accurate. But I think there is a

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Speaker 19: much larger loss in the speed and the imposition that

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Speaker 19: the absolute snail's pace we take to get infrastructure through.

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Speaker 19: Look when I started as a CEO in Australia, I

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Speaker 19: got a consent for a solar farm in six weeks,

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Speaker 19: and now solar farms in this country look as though

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Speaker 19: they're going to take the best part of two years

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Speaker 19: under the old legislation. This should break that open. For

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Speaker 19: goodness sake, it's renewable energy. It is done with good

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Speaker 19: and noble purpose. We should be celebrating that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Brilliant news, Mike, Thank you so much, appreciate it's a

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Speaker 2: good day. Mike Husch, Chief executive officer of Contact Energy.

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Speaker 2: Herether please ask Chris Bishop what they're going to do

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Speaker 2: to stop the extortion by certain groups demanding money for

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Speaker 2: consultational consents. Now, I think what Hamish is referring to

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Speaker 2: there as EWI. I think this is a valid question

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Speaker 2: because if you've been following the story of Ikea, you'll

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Speaker 2: know that the RMA consent required all the man offenda

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Speaker 2: were to come around and do prayers and be there

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Speaker 2: for the spades in the ground and all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: And Chris Bishop himself actually criticized that. So the question

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Speaker 2: is is he putting a stop to it? And he's

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Speaker 2: going to be with us after half past It's twelve

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Speaker 2: past seven, Heather do for ce Ellen so landmark ruling

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Speaker 2: from the Supreme Court on Disability Rights. The Court has

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Speaker 2: decided that parents who care for severely disabled adult children

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Speaker 2: should be legally recognized as homeworkers, which then entitles them

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Speaker 2: to minimum wage pertend actions. Now, this case is brought

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Speaker 2: by two parents in this position. Jane Carrigan is an

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Speaker 2: independent disability advocate and with us morning Jane.

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Speaker 20: Are good morning here that how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you. What's the outcome of this?

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Speaker 2: How many parents are going to be entitled now to

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Speaker 2: the minimum wage?

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Speaker 20: Well, to be honest, the important issue is they are

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Speaker 20: and considered now considered employees of the Ministry of Health.

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Speaker 20: So it's not the minimum wage. I mean, that's the

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Speaker 20: bare minimum they will get under it. In terms of numbers. Look,

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Speaker 20: because it doesn't just apply to the exploitation, doesn't just

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Speaker 20: apply to parents of adult disabled children. It's across the board.

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Speaker 20: And so I would imagine that the number of families

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Speaker 20: we're talking about would be roughly ten thousand. That's ten

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Speaker 20: thousand families who have to give up work and provide

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Speaker 20: twenty four to seven care for often very high needs

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Speaker 20: adult adult family members. So yeah, so it's a side number.

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Speaker 20: And yeah, I'm hoping that the government will not do

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Speaker 20: what it's previously done and rush off and an acts

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Speaker 20: of madness implemented legislation that ultimately they've had to repeal

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Speaker 20: and concede have conceded have been appalling legislation and the circumstances,

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Speaker 20: so hopefully common sense will prevail and we can have

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Speaker 20: some good conversations with government. And because this isn't just

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Speaker 20: about money, we're here because the government will the public

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Speaker 20: servants of the day have ignored the last three Court

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Speaker 20: of appealed decisions that have supported this cohort of families.

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Speaker 20: So we're here out of needs. Must you know, we

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Speaker 20: just could not get I mean, when the Crown can

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Speaker 20: tell us no one's above the rule of law and

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Speaker 20: yet them public servants can just ignore Court of appealed

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Speaker 20: decisions in which they did in Atkinson, Spencer and Chamberlain,

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Speaker 20: then this is this is the result. This is the

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Speaker 20: only way we're going to get their attention.

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Speaker 2: Jane, thanks for your time, mate, best the luck of

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Speaker 2: everything that's Jane Carrigan, Independent Disability Advocate.

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Speaker 3: Heather dup See Allen.

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Speaker 2: If you're working from home, you you probably have realized

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Speaker 2: this already. But if you haven't realized this already, this

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Speaker 2: should be awake up call. Looks like working from home

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Speaker 2: is coming to quite the abrupt end, and it's being

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Speaker 2: led by Auckland. This is this is what precinct Properties reckons.

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Speaker 2: It's one of the country's biggest listed landlords property landlords,

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Speaker 2: and it's been having a look at the work of

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Speaker 2: behavior and its network of office blocks around Commercial Bay

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Speaker 2: and Auckland's downtown Reckons. The Aucklanders are coming back into

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Speaker 2: the office. Most are in now four days a week now.

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Speaker 2: That is compared to the national average of just slightly

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Speaker 2: more than three days a week. It's like three point

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Speaker 2: three and even three point three is a number that's

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Speaker 2: gone up recently, so you know we're seeing the trend

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Speaker 2: headed in that direction. They reckon they noticed it in

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Speaker 2: the last calendar year, but really in the last six

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Speaker 2: month they have noticed people coming back into the office

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Speaker 2: and they say working from home is no longer a

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Speaker 2: thing because employers have recognized that people are much more

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Speaker 2: productive in the office now. You will note if you

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Speaker 2: listen to what's going on in Wellington that the union there,

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Speaker 2: particularly Fleur at the PSA, is fighting this hard because

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Speaker 2: Fleur wants everybody to have the ability. Like the She

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Speaker 2: may have an argument, she may have an argument that

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Speaker 2: people were promising, but she wants people to have the

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Speaker 2: ability to work from home. It's coming to an end.

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Speaker 2: And you know what's putting it to an end tough times.

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Speaker 2: Because when tough times call, you do the thing that's

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Speaker 2: going to keep your job and you go back in

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Speaker 2: right quarter past the.

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Speaker 1: Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, Howard By

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Speaker 2: Heather, I've been into the office six times this year,

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Speaker 2: might even be less next year. It rolls. We can

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Speaker 2: do it from anywhere. There's always one, isn't there? Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Mac Heather, please ask your guests. That was Mike fused

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Speaker 2: about the rights of property of homeowners who find the

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Speaker 2: property next door suddenly filled with ten bloody units. Where

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Speaker 2: our rights, Well, this is what I predicted at the

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Speaker 2: start of the program, right, is that we want this.

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Speaker 2: But this is going to be political home potato at

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Speaker 2: some stage because you've got the right now to do

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Speaker 2: what you want on your property, but so does your neighbor,

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Speaker 2: and you're not going to like that. And we've got

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Speaker 2: very use to stopping other people's stuff, so we're going

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Speaker 2: to hate that. We can't the Green Party. So the

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Speaker 2: Green Parties piped up about people who have student loans.

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Speaker 2: They've done a survey. They reckon there are all these

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Speaker 2: people out there who haven't paid their student loans and

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Speaker 2: can't come home for Christmas. In a fortnight's time survey

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Speaker 2: of four hundred New Zealanders living and working overseas, they

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Speaker 2: say seventy eight percent said they're making no progress paying

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Speaker 2: off their loan from overseas. Eighty two percent said they're

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Speaker 2: worried or extremely worried about their loan an unknown or

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Speaker 2: unspecified number the Greens say are not coming home this

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Speaker 2: Christmas because they're worried about what's going to happen at

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Speaker 2: the border if they haven't paid their loans. Now, the

823
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Speaker 2: Greens don't like that. So the Greens say, what we

824
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Speaker 2: need to do as an urgent cross party inquiry into

825
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Speaker 2: the student loan repayment scheme because the system isn't working,

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Speaker 2: because it isn't fair. Now, they want that done urgently.

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Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what we could also do urgently

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Speaker 2: is we could just pay back the money that those

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Speaker 2: people owe the rest of us, because yeah, they borrow

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Speaker 2: taxpayer money. So that seems like that could be done

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Speaker 2: with reasonable urgency, and then you could come home for Christmas.

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Speaker 2: And I would hazard a guest, Can I just say

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Speaker 2: that if we did a survey of I don't know,

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Speaker 2: four hundred New Zealanders who are still living in New

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Speaker 2: Zealand and paying off their student loans and working hard

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Speaker 2: and paying taxes here, I would estimate that pretty much

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Speaker 2: all of them will not feel sorry for those ones

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Speaker 2: who are overseas and not able to come home for

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Speaker 2: Christmas because they didn't pay their loans. And also, do

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Speaker 2: I need to point out to the Greens that people

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Speaker 2: who can't pay their loans because they haven't got the money,

842
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Speaker 2: probably can't come home for Christmas because they haven't got

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Speaker 2: their money. So just saying twenty past seven.

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Speaker 2: You suggest to the Greens here that instead of wasting

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Speaker 2: and I would think of that seven twenty four. Now, look,

870
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 2: I reckon it's got to count for something that the

871
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 2: black Caps captain backs the proposed T twenty league, don't

872
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 2: you think. I mean it's it's got to count for

873
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 2: something that he thinks it's a good way to keep

874
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: the black Caps in the country playing domestic cricket. Now

875
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 2: what I need to say this has proved weirdly controversial

876
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: since the details leaked. We don't know the finer details

877
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,720
Speaker 2: of this deal. We don't know who gets the ultimate

878
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 2: sale when the black Caps are released from the competition,

879
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 2: or who gets the ultimate sale, whether it moves dates

880
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 2: to accommodate tests. And that stuff is important and it's

881
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: important enough for a deal to live or die on.

882
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: But the broad ideas behind this proposal are exactly what

883
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 2: we need, don't you think. I mean, these guys are

884
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 2: onto something. We do need a domestic a decent domestic

885
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 2: competition that we watch. We don't watch the domestic one

886
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 2: day is we don't watch the Super Smash, the Super Smash,

887
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: which is the current T twenty competition. It loses money. The

888
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 2: one days aren't even on tally. It's a good idea

889
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 2: to find something cricket that's going to actually earn it

890
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 2: some dollars. We need a carved out window to set

891
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: that we set aside just for domestic cricket, which is

892
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: free from any other international competitions, because that's the only

893
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 2: way that you're going to ensure that the best talent

894
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: the black Caps stay here and play rather than flogging

895
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 2: their wares in India, South Africa, Australia for their T

896
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 2: twenty competitions. And we need them to play here not

897
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: only so that you and I can enjoy it as

898
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: the fans, but also so that the emerging players can

899
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 2: play with the best and grow their own abilities, and

900
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: that cricket can make the money right and the local

901
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: competition that makes money is important because you cannot grow

902
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: a game and you cannot feed the grassroots if you

903
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: don't have money coming in. So the idea is actually

904
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: a really good idea. Give it some thought. Definitely, the

905
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 2: devil is the detail is where the devil is. But

906
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 2: the proposal has merit, and you have to say it

907
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 2: has merit because it is literally a choice between the

908
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 2: status quo, which is domestic cricket that doesn't work, or

909
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: a change, which is the chance that the domestic cricket

910
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 2: does work. Ever, dup c allen, hither the ear we

911
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 2: made this is really the RMA. The ear we made

912
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 2: us wait twelve months to bless our subdivide before deciding

913
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: they didn't have time to bless the subdivision. It cost

914
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 2: us over one hundred thousand dollars. Another one made the

915
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: largest developer in Westgate Waite over a year for a

916
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 2: bloke to turn up with a plastic water bottle and

917
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 2: the charged them one hundred and eighty thousand dollars.

918
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 11: Yeah.

919
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 2: Well, I'm christ Boship's going to have to answer some

920
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 2: questions about whether the ear we still have the power.

921
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 4: Right.

922
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: I have a mate, Heather in a provincial town who

923
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 2: is developing something fairly significant for the area. The local

924
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 2: ear we have asked and received sixty five thousand dollars

925
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 2: so far in the consenting process. It's nowhere near finished.

926
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 2: It's been explained to him that this is an expensive

927
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: one because of the spirit's removal after a youngster ended

928
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 2: his life on the site many years ago. Morning, Heather,

929
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 2: I have a good RMA story if you don't. We

930
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 2: all we purchased a large site in Dunedin already approved

931
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: for residential development. The Dunedin City Council and then the

932
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 2: Otago Regional Council held things up for three years getting

933
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: consent one hundred and eighty million dollar development. They made

934
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: us go to get consent from all the neighbors even

935
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 2: though it was already consented because they deemed them affected parties.

936
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 2: Go figure Lord above anyway. So I mean here's the thing, right,

937
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 2: Well want the If you didn't catch the start of

938
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: the program, I mean you got to ask yourself a

939
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: question about that. But the point is simply, we all

940
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: want this to happen. But you can see how this

941
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 2: is going to cause trouble because we want the e

942
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 2: week to have their powers curtailed. But then there we're

943
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: going to get upset about that and we want we

944
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 2: want permission to do what we want, but the other

945
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 2: guy wants permission to do what he wants, and maybe

946
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: we don't like it. So anyway, Chris Bishop answering all

947
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: the questions on that with us straight after the news.

948
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: He's still zb's no fluff, just facts and fierce debate.

949
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: Heather duple Sea Allen on the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

950
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 1: al Vida Retirement Communities, Life Your Way News tog said, by.

951
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: Well it six Wednesday, Mark Mitchell, Ginny Anderson after eight.

952
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 2: Right now it's twenty three away from eting. Back to

953
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 2: the business of RMA reform. This government has unveiled at

954
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: seven hundred and fifty page proposal. It sets clear limits

955
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 2: on what councils can regulate. It's expected to save about

956
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: thirteen billion dollars in consenting costs and lift GDP by

957
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 2: zero point five six percent annually by twenty fifty. Chris

958
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: Bishop is the RMA reform Minister.

959
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 4: Morning Bish, good morning.

960
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 2: I imagine this is a relief to get this workout.

961
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 21: It's been a busy couple of years, in particularly last

962
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 21: busy couple of months.

963
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 2: You can imagine now listen, I think most people want

964
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: to see reform. It's hard to argue with what you've

965
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 2: presented in terms of a replacement. But there's always a

966
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 2: but how much time do you think we're going to

967
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 2: spend in court testing this?

968
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 4: I don't think a lot.

969
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 21: In fact, part of the aim of it is to

970
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 21: try and get things out of court. To be honest,

971
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 21: there's way too much environment court litigation. It's inevitable there

972
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 21: will be cases, you know, you know, we have the

973
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 21: rule of law in this country. You can test things

974
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 21: through the courts and there will be some litigation, But

975
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 21: the actual aim of it is to try and get

976
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 21: less litigation and less debate about, for example, what the

977
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,760
Speaker 21: words sustainable management mean, which is in the current RMA,

978
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 21: and we've been debating at length for thirty years, so

979
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 21: we've removed that from the new planning system.

980
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 2: What about though? Looking out the loss?

981
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 4: Right?

982
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 2: So I say my council says we want to designate

983
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: your place of heritage area. I say, well, that's I'm

984
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: going to suffer loss. Then we have to figure out

985
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 2: how much the loss is so I can be compensated.

986
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 2: That's going to go to court, isn't.

987
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 4: It in some circumstances.

988
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 21: But you know we have valuations now, for example, and

989
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 21: that would be rare circumstances. We'd be asking counsels to firstly,

990
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 21: they only do it when there's a significant impairment on

991
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 21: your property. And then secondly, you know there'll be an

992
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 21: evidence standard around value that we will set through legislation

993
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,439
Speaker 21: to work that out.

994
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 4: So I think all of these things are able to

995
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:33,439
Speaker 4: be worked through.

996
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 2: If we get the COMPO for something like a heritage

997
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 2: heritage designation, what is that like a bank transfer or

998
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 2: is it a rates reduction?

999
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 4: Could be any number of different things.

1000
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 21: So what we're asking counsels to do is to say, listen,

1001
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 21: when you do something that has a significant impairment on

1002
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 21: someone's property in the public good, and there is a

1003
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 21: role for heritage, right and there's a role for significant

1004
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 21: natural heritage and biodiversity and things like that. When you

1005
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 21: do that, but you and you're essentially having an impact

1006
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 21: on somebody else's properly that diminishes their value. You have

1007
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 21: to think hard about doing that, and if you do

1008
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 21: do it, then think about ways to make them whole again.

1009
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 21: So it could be rates through missions. It could be compensation,

1010
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 21: it could be land swaps for example. It will depend

1011
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 21: on where people live. There's a range of things that

1012
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 21: they could do. They could get bonus development rights in

1013
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 21: exchange for giving up part of their land, for example.

1014
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 21: So there's any number of different things that councils will be.

1015
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 4: Able to look at.

1016
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 21: And it's just a recognition that you know, private private

1017
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 21: property is important. The public goods important too, and we're

1018
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 21: just trying to get a better balance between the two

1019
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 21: of them.

1020
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: Now, this requires councils to plan. Is it thirty years

1021
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 2: in advance?

1022
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 4: Yes, spatial plans will be thirty years in advance.

1023
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 2: Have we ever in this country planned thirty years in

1024
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 2: advance for anything?

1025
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 21: Well, Auckland is required to do a spatial plan now,

1026
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 21: but the types of plans we're talking about, the answer

1027
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 21: is no.

1028
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 2: Do you have confidence we can? I mean we get so.

1029
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 2: It costs us millions to make plans and we fight

1030
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 2: about it, and some of the plans that were designed

1031
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: a decay to go still aren't completely enforce and it's

1032
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 2: still in courts I know.

1033
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 21: And that's why we're making the plan making process a

1034
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 21: lot simpler. Let's be really clear about the spatial plan.

1035
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 21: These are not detailed, dense city plans. Okay that there's

1036
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 21: a role for those, and those are called land use

1037
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 21: chapters or land use plans. Spatial plans are basically looking

1038
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 21: out over the next thirty years and saying, okay, where's

1039
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 21: the future growth going to go in Canterbury or Wellington,

1040
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 21: for example, where are the new greenfields houses, where's the

1041
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 21: new infrastructure corridors?

1042
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 4: Where are the new roads going to go?

1043
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 21: We're not going to build them straight away, but in

1044
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 21: twenty fifty we might be looking at building a road here.

1045
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 2: So are you arguing it's going to be simpler.

1046
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 4: We can do this, the spacial plans will be simpler.

1047
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 4: But here's the thing.

1048
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 21: Proper countries, effective countries do that stuff twenty five, thirty

1049
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 21: forty years in advance, because once people know where there

1050
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 21: might be a road in twenty five years, the development

1051
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 21: goes around that, and also potentially in the future we

1052
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 21: can lock in those corridors through designations and lower the

1053
00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 21: future costs of infrastructure.

1054
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 4: Go and build a road. These days, we're.

1055
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 21: Often spending hundreds of millions of dollars buying up land

1056
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 21: because we decided to build it.

1057
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 4: We didn't plan it properly in advance.

1058
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 21: So these are the types of changes we can make.

1059
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 2: Okay, now, listen, you have you cut back on how

1060
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 2: much power EWE has over development.

1061
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 21: Well, what we're doing is saying that there's a role

1062
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 21: for EWI in terms of spatial planning, in terms of

1063
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 21: sites of significance to Maori in terms of burial grounds

1064
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 21: for example, or Wahitapu sites or and they need to

1065
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 21: be identified early on in the spatial plan and then

1066
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 21: the land use plans, and then you'll need to go

1067
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 21: and talk to EWE about those things. But at an

1068
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 21: individual consenting level, which we're trying to move away from

1069
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 21: the idea that you need to go and talk to

1070
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 21: everybody in the city, including EWE about getting a consent

1071
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 21: to do something. There will be fewer requirements for people

1072
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 21: to go and talk to other people, including the council.

1073
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 2: I'm hardened to hear that, but tell me so. The

1074
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: situation we had with ike was that Ikea had to

1075
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 2: go and talk to money, had a whole bunch of

1076
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 2: groups of them coming and doing cut a care and

1077
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 2: visiting whenever they wanted, and you know, being you know

1078
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 2: there for the spades in the ground and all that

1079
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. Is your reform going to stop that

1080
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 2: happening again?

1081
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 21: It will make that far less likely to happen. I mean,

1082
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 21: it's still going to happen.

1083
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 4: Well, I can't give you an individual hand on heart.

1084
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 4: This will stop because I don't know.

1085
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 21: I don't know what future circumstances will be like, but

1086
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Speaker 21: there will be Put it this way, there will be

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Speaker 21: no it's highly unlikely there will be a legal requirement

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Speaker 21: for the ike current care situation to happen again.

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Speaker 4: I can't see how in good conscience I could.

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Speaker 2: How are you not sure about it?

1091
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 11: Though?

1092
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 2: If you are the master run well?

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Speaker 4: Because I can't give you every you know.

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Speaker 21: In the same way if you asked me about another example,

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00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 21: I couldn't give you a because the law hasn't even

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00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 21: been passed yet, so I can't give you a hand

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00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 21: on heart. This will definitely stop. What I'm being honest

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Speaker 21: with you here that what I can say is it's

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00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 21: very likely that that will be far less likely in

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Speaker 21: the new law.

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Speaker 2: All right, Bish, thanks for your to I appreciate it.

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00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 2: That's Chris boshop M reform minister. I don't know is

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Speaker 2: that what you wanted to hear probably not seventeen away

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Speaker 2: from eight the my.

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Speaker 1: Casking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News Talks.

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Speaker 22: At b.

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Speaker 2: Hither I assume that we will not get compensation if

1108
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 2: developers put up three stories next to you and take

1109
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 2: away your views. No, not as important as heritage. Bar humbug.

1110
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 2: That's what did I say. We're going to start getting

1111
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 2: worked up about it. But it's Look, it's for the

1112
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 2: good of the country that we're doing this, and it

1113
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 2: is the right thing to do. I have got a

1114
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 2: public service announcement for you, which is that the just

1115
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 2: if you've been dying to watch the Descender Doing movie,

1116
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 2: and I'm not going to lie to you, I actually have,

1117
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 2: like I'm fully into this rage watching. So if you

1118
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 2: want to watch it, it is now available. This is

1119
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister movie. It's now available streaming on Apple TV,

1120
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 2: so you can. I'm just doing all their hard work

1121
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 2: for them. I think it's like eight dollars and you

1122
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 2: can you can rent it for thirty days, but you've

1123
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 2: got to watch it in two days and it's fifteen

1124
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: bucks and then you've got it forever. I went for

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00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 2: the fifteen bucks because I was I did not know

1126
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 2: how many times I'd would want to watch it again,

1127
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 2: you know, like if I just needed to get a

1128
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 2: little bit of a bit of energy out, I might

1129
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 2: just sit down and watch it. I started yesterday, got

1130
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes in immediately, and this is the second part

1131
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 2: of my public service announcement to you be prepared to

1132
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 2: get a little cross So immediately I reckon it was

1133
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 2: the first shot, and I was like R because immediately

1134
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 2: I was struck by how much time just Cinda has

1135
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 2: actually put into this movie. Because if you've worked in TV,

1136
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 2: then you know even the most basic shots for something

1137
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 2: like this take a lot of time, right, They take

1138
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 2: time and redoing. So this is one shot. I think

1139
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 2: it's like the maybe the third or fourth shot in

1140
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 2: the film whatever. Second setting, and she walks. It's a

1141
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,240
Speaker 2: darkened room and it's kind of got a light lighting

1142
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 2: it from one end. And she walks and opens the door,

1143
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 2: walks and comes and gets her bag, puts it in

1144
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 2: her bag, goes out again, and it looks like it'll

1145
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 2: look to the people who don't understand that though or

1146
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 2: she just walked into a room, not a big deal.

1147
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 2: That shot will have taken such a long time for

1148
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 2: them to get right, because data made us sit outside

1149
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 2: and wait, and then they would have set the camera

1150
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 2: up just in the right place and they've got the

1151
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 2: lighting all right. Then she would have come in the door.

1152
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 2: Oh no, she put her bag on in the rock now,

1153
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 2: just in a bag of there come and again like

1154
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 2: that would have taken forever to do. And it just

1155
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 2: made me think, Jeezu, you have put so much time

1156
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 2: into this film. You and Clark have handed over so

1157
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 2: much personal content, and even just knowing that you wanted

1158
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 2: to film this personal content from the get go is

1159
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 2: like quite a deliberate thing to do. Anyway, I find

1160
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 2: that really interesting because Justinda has famously obviously played up

1161
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 2: not enjoying her celebrity status and public attention. It's just

1162
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 2: an observation that for someone who doesn't like being in

1163
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 2: the limelight and who never really wants to be a

1164
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 2: leader in a prime minister, she puts a lot of

1165
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 2: effort into getting more attention. Anyway, I am going to

1166
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 2: continue to watch it and look, depending on how I

1167
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 2: feel about it, and depending on how much I feel

1168
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 2: you can take on any particular day, I might keep

1169
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 2: you abreast of how the thing goes. But alternatively, you

1170
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 2: can just go and watch it. Telegraph two stars. Shameless

1171
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 2: act of self promotion, they say in other news. While

1172
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 2: we're on the subject of that, Grant's obviously down at

1173
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 2: Otago has just been pointed out to me on the

1174
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 2: text machine, so I had a look. Yet this has

1175
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 2: bang on Grant's down at Otago running. It hasn't changed much,

1176
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 2: expecting to post a nine million dollar deficit in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six. So you made the call Otago Ten away from.

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Speaker 1: Eight Heather duplicyl and on the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

1179
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Speaker 1: a Vita Retirement Communities News togs, he'd be Heather.

1180
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Speaker 2: I thought Jacinder's docco was great. It was a real

1181
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 2: eye opener and at one stage made me feel ashamed

1182
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 2: to be a key we Like I said, I'm only

1183
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes in. There's a narrative arc here. I might

1184
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 2: come out the other end. I might watch the rest

1185
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 2: of it today. I might come out going great film.

1186
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 2: Seven away from eight. Now, if you want to become

1187
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 2: a sports champion but haven't quite found your thing yet,

1188
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 2: I might have something for you. New Zealand is going

1189
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 2: to host our very first stone Skimming National Championship next year.

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Speaker 2: In May, it's going to be at Lake Harwia. The

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Speaker 2: winners will head along to the World champs in Scotland. Now,

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Speaker 2: Richie Lang is Lake Harwia Station's tourism manager and is

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Speaker 2: with us morning.

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Speaker 23: Richie, morning to hear that from the shores of Lake Hawia.

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00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 23: It's wonderful to be with you.

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Speaker 2: It's good to chat to you. Was this your idea?

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Speaker 23: Yeah it was and look to be honest, if you

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00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 23: took to the station personnel, there wasn't a huge amount

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Speaker 23: of interest. Initially they saw the merit, but I went

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Speaker 23: ahead and contacted the World Stone Skimming Championships. They offered

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Speaker 23: us two entries. I took to Melanoma, New Zealand. They

1202
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 23: wished to be the charity. We wish to raise thirty

1203
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 23: thousand dollars on the day. And then there was a

1204
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 23: serendipitous event where a cheating scandal came around the World's

1205
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 23: Stone Skimming Championships, putting stone skimming on the world map.

1206
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Speaker 23: We thought it was the time to strike. We have

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Speaker 23: a vehicle to be able to host these type of

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00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 23: events here at Lake Hawia Station, so we wish to

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Speaker 23: do that. In May twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Mate I read about that stone skimming the cheating at

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Speaker 2: the time. This is pretty hard out for an event

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00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 2: that I thought would just be friendly. But what was

1213
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 2: it were they was he basically trying to make their

1214
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Speaker 2: stones as round as possible.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, look, it was a stone tampering scandal, Heather. So

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00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 23: what actually happened is they rounded off the stones. And

1217
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 23: I have to say now doing my research, probably from

1218
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 23: inexperienced stone skimmers. So I've got a lake Harwere stone

1219
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Speaker 23: in front of me, and the beautiful thing here is

1220
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 23: they're very flat, but they're not perfectly round. You don't

1221
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 23: want them perfectly around because you want the forefinger involved

1222
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 23: to maximize leverage and spin on the stone, so you

1223
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 23: maximize the skips across the water so you can go

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00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 23: as far as possible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear what you're saying, and I'd thought about

1226
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 2: that as well. We need a little hook in there,

1227
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 2: don't you. So how are you going to stop them

1228
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 2: from I mean, do you think that we're just like,

1229
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 2: do you need to have some way to stop them

1230
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 2: from doing this? Or do you think people are just

1231
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 2: going to be less competitive and weird in New Zealand.

1232
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 23: Yeah, Look, I've designated a task Force Task Force skim.

1233
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 23: I don't know if you've met these guys here that

1234
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 23: guys and girls, but almost the essays equivalent of the

1235
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 23: stone skimming World hyper vigilin individuals. We're going to have

1236
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 23: a registration process. They're going to be patrolling the area

1237
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 23: and we're going to make sure that participants are collecting

1238
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 23: the stones from a designated area. We're going to photograph

1239
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 23: the stones and then we're going to photograph again before

1240
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 23: they throw, and then for the plays getters, we can

1241
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 23: verify that they were using the same stone. So yeah,

1242
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 23: if they do want to cheat, then yeah, let them

1243
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 23: have it. It's a very very high chance they will

1244
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 23: be caught. But any publicity is good public behave all right, So.

1245
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 2: How do people get in if they want to be

1246
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 2: a world champion?

1247
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 23: Yeah, so if you go to Melanoma dot org dot

1248
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 23: NZ and this is a call to communities around New Zealands.

1249
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 23: We wish to have any New Zealander there on the day.

1250
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 23: And look, tickets are going like hotcakes. We're about halfway

1251
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 23: through so fast, so tickets are still available. Go to

1252
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 23: Melanoma dot org dot ENZ. You can register your interests

1253
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 23: to receive the ticketing linked either as a spectator or

1254
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 23: as a participant on the day.

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Speaker 2: Oh you're very good at it, Richie, Thank you very much.

1256
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 2: Good lucky that Richie Langlake Harwi are stationed tourism manager.

1257
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 2: I mean, actually you know that even it's an activity

1258
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 2: you can do with the kids. So how good would

1259
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 2: that be start of the winter down there? I might

1260
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 2: Grant Robertson an apology. It's been pointed out to me

1261
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 2: because yes, while Otago University is in deficit, it's less

1262
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 2: than what was budgeted. So it was budgeted to be

1263
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 2: fifteen and a half's company. He's just tidied those books

1264
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 2: right up. It's only a deficit of nine billion dollars,

1265
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 2: but nine million rather. I mean, you know, I'm sorry

1266
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 2: with Granted, I just get treggered back into the bees.

1267
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 2: Nine million. I mean, you know, it would have been

1268
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 2: nice if we'd had that kind of fiscal discipline, you know,

1269
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 2: when we were running the country. But anyway, because I

1270
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 2: don't know about you, but I was just thinking about

1271
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 2: that yesterday, about the six thousand. I don't need to

1272
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 2: mean to trigger you, but do you remember the six

1273
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 2: thousand dollars we just gave the principles for like for

1274
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 2: well being.

1275
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 11: It just wasn't it.

1276
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 2: Wonderful times we've just had that much cash anyway, the

1277
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 2: Taxpayers Union, this campaign against Nikola Willis hasn't even started yet,

1278
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 2: but it is kicking off. Ruth Richardson. She's challenged Ruth Richardson,

1279
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 2: who's the chair to a debate. Ruth's come back and gone, yeah,

1280
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 2: this on, I'll.

1281
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 4: Do a debate.

1282
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 2: So we're going to talk to Politics Wednesday about it.

1283
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 2: Because I don't know about you, but I am ready

1284
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 2: for this debate anyway. Jenny and Mark Thus next news book,

1285
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 2: z'd be Now, I'm living and.

1286
00:59:55,320 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: Parent business, asking the questions others won't he the duplessy

1287
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Speaker 1: Allen on the mic asking breakfast were the defender, embraced

1288
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: the impossible news tomsa'd.

1289
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Speaker 2: Be beautiful right, mister Leanne Rhymes the greatest hips Christmas,

1290
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 2: let me read to you about this. This collection is

1291
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 2: a portrait of an artist growing up inside her own mythology.

1292
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 2: Rhymes treats the Holidays as a living archive of memories, reinventions,

1293
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 2: spiritual detours, and moments when an old Carol suddenly feels

1294
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 2: like a mirror. Her take on River aches with a

1295
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 2: quiet devastation of someone who knows exactly what it means

1296
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 2: to need an escape hatch.

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Speaker 4: So that person's got a word of the day.

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Speaker 2: Who I have no idea what any of that meant. However,

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Speaker 2: this is called what's again?

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Speaker 4: You and me?

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Speaker 2: And Christmas?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 12: What?

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Speaker 2: The words literally are in the corners to the corners,

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Speaker 2: You and me Christmas?

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Speaker 5: There you go.

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Speaker 2: Politics Wednesday, Mark Mitchell, Jinny Anderson with us. Hello, you

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Speaker 2: too good to listen? I tell you what, But I'm

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Speaker 2: loving the reno's. I'm loving the r When I say

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Speaker 2: the renolds, I mean the RM reforms that might lead

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Speaker 2: to easier renos. How about you?

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Speaker 14: Are you going to have busy out the building to

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Speaker 14: deck over the summer.

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Speaker 2: I think that will be I think you and I

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Speaker 2: know that anybody who lives a hammer in this family

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Speaker 2: is me. Also weirdly, also weirdly, Mitch, is your wife

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Speaker 2: who does all the hard work, doesn't she?

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Speaker 3: She does.

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Speaker 14: She's amazing, There's no doubt about that. And she would

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Speaker 14: definitely agree with you that she's the handy person the home.

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Speaker 2: You come up against the RMA yet, Jinny, Uh.

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Speaker 12: Not really, No, No, I haven't.

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Speaker 24: But it is looking a lot like the one they

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Speaker 24: checked out when they first got in even yeah, it's

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Speaker 24: very similar to what we had in place that got biffed.

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Speaker 12: They've literally going to changed the titles.

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Speaker 2: But this is good, Ginny, this is good because what well,

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Speaker 2: what you like? You put it out.

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Speaker 12: In the spirit, in the spirit of Christmas.

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Speaker 24: Bipartisanship is important, but it means, yeah, we want to

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Speaker 24: take a good lock like they've only just landed, so

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Speaker 24: we'll have a have a good lock through it.

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Speaker 12: And Rachel Brooking has been been doing that work for us.

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Speaker 24: But the one they introduced last night that we didn't

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Speaker 24: know about, that that that was disappointing. They chucked something

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Speaker 24: through all stages of urgency, didn't mention it and and

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Speaker 24: we didn't get there in the briefings.

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Speaker 2: What are you talking about?

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Speaker 24: There was one about I think it was notification. The

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Speaker 24: way you do do things that's changing. So it was

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Speaker 24: one that went through that was at the early stages.

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Speaker 2: What do you know what he's talking about?

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Speaker 4: There was around there.

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Speaker 24: Was forgotten the title of the bill, but it was

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Speaker 24: all a urgency last night, and it was around consenting

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Speaker 24: and how that works.

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Speaker 14: So it was just it was about it was about

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Speaker 14: some bracest thing to protect people that are already engaged

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Speaker 14: in having consents done so that they're not impacted by

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Speaker 14: the changes that are going to be made, and the

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Speaker 14: bills that will deal with that will be going through

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Speaker 14: a full parliamentary process. It's really positive for us as

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Speaker 14: a country. It's going to save rate pars and tax

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Speaker 14: pawers about thirteen point three billion dollars by regulating only

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Speaker 14: what is necessary and starting to giving people's freedom to

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Speaker 14: be able to do more around their own properties and landowners.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that sounds reasonable. Now much on Costa, What

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Speaker 2: is going on here? Is Andrew cost A lying or

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Speaker 2: is he being genuine and someone has just someone has

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Speaker 2: forgotten what actually happened.

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Speaker 14: Well, I'm trying not to talk about Andy Costa too

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Speaker 14: much because I'm moving on from all of that and

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Speaker 14: getting focused on public safety. But I will say this,

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Speaker 14: is he lying about the fact that he briefed me

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Speaker 14: or had an informal chat with me about Geimate skilling.

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Speaker 14: Absolutely is if he had bought that forward to me,

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Speaker 14: bearing in mind in the context that at that time

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Speaker 14: I was having issues around the executive and performance anyway,

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Speaker 14: it would have been a massive red flag for me

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Speaker 14: to seek more advice and information on it. When I

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Speaker 14: did find out about givin skimming, m said, which was

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Speaker 14: on the sixth of November, I immediately called a meeting

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Speaker 14: with the PSC and this solicited general on the seventh

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Speaker 14: to bring forward my concerns around here.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now, is there value in us maybe doing an inquiry?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I hate an inquiry, but given them, we've

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Speaker 2: got this, he said. She said, nonsense, why not do

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Speaker 2: an inquiry and clar enough?

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Speaker 14: Well, it's not, he said, She said, because both myself

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Speaker 14: and Chris Hipkins have been very clear and unequivocal about

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Speaker 14: the fact that we have not received those briefings. There's

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Speaker 14: no file notes, there's no memos, there's no aid memoirs,

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Speaker 14: there's nothing at all. So it's incumbent on him if

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Speaker 14: he's going to come out and say that to prove it,

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Speaker 14: which he can't. The IPCA report is very thorough. It

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Speaker 14: deals with all of those issues. We have accepted all

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Speaker 14: the recommendations. We're going to be implementing those. We're putting

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Speaker 14: an Inspector General in over the top of police to

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Speaker 14: make sure that ensure that the public can have confidence

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Speaker 14: that this can't happen again, and we just got to

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Speaker 14: get on with it. We've got a very good new

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Speaker 14: police commissioner that's fixing a lot of those issues, and

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Speaker 14: it's been dealing with those issues before.

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Speaker 3: Now what do you.

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Speaker 2: Reckon, Jenny, how do we clear this up?

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Speaker 24: Well, there's a big job here really to rebuild that

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Speaker 24: trust and confidence with New Zealand public. And my concern

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Speaker 24: at all of this is that we already have a

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Speaker 24: really low rate of reporting family violence and sexual violence.

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Speaker 24: It's it's at less than twenty percent in some instances

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Speaker 24: are being reported. And so when you have issues like

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Speaker 24: this happening that get so much profile and so much media,

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Speaker 24: my concern is that it takes away people's ability to

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Speaker 24: feel like they can front up and report crimes.

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Speaker 12: And hope they'll be investigated.

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Speaker 24: And so I really hope that in the program of

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Speaker 24: work that you know, Mark's got ahead of them, that

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Speaker 24: those things will be addressed.

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Speaker 14: So so here that I agree with those comments that

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Speaker 14: the biggest concern that we had, of course was around

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Speaker 14: public confidence, and we were really hard to try and

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Speaker 14: show that this was this was contained to a small

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Speaker 14: group of people, yes, the previous leadership team, but we've

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Speaker 14: got fifteen thousand outstanding non sworn and sworn Keiwis turn

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Speaker 14: up every day and serve their communities, and I think

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Speaker 14: the public have been able to work that out. Then

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Speaker 14: you've had people like Louise Nicholas who've got a much

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Speaker 14: loud of voice on this, then the likes of me,

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Speaker 14: who's coming out and see to interrupt you match.

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Speaker 2: I've got to interrupted because producer Sam just came in

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Speaker 2: with Winston Peter's post on his phone on Facebook. Have

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Speaker 2: you seen this, Jinny, what Winston said about what chiping you?

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Speaker 2: So he's posted on facing. Is it not a fact

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Speaker 2: that Chris Hopkins knew about Jevin mc skimmings affair in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two when he was the police minister.

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Speaker 12: No, it's not true.

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Speaker 4: He did not age that.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, there was a post that was put up yesterday

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Speaker 14: and looks that'll be for New Zealand first to speak to,

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Speaker 14: you know, so you'll.

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Speaker 4: Have to get them on you know.

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Speaker 2: Do you know that it's a fact.

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Speaker 14: No, I don't. I was very clear yesterday that, judging

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Speaker 14: on my own experience with the fact that Andrew Costa

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Speaker 14: came out and just blatantly lied about the fact that

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Speaker 14: he had previously briefed me in twenty twenty four war. Yeah,

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Speaker 14: I said that I completely support Chrysipkins and what he's

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Speaker 14: coming out and see if he said the same experience

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Speaker 14: as me.

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Speaker 3: Is that.

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Speaker 14: I think that he came out and even went a

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Speaker 14: bit further and said he was in a police car

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Speaker 14: at the time. There are other people in the car.

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Speaker 14: No one recollects that conversation at all.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. All right, guys, we'll take a break, come back

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Speaker 2: to you shortly fourteen past.

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Speaker 1: Eight The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio,

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Speaker 2: Right, You're back with politics, Wednesday, seventeen past eight, Mike

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Speaker 2: Mitchel and Jenny Anderson. Jinny, what are we going to

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Speaker 2: do about Sunny Koschel's bougie morning teas? I don't know.

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Speaker 24: That's quite a lot of money. Three two hundred dollars.

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Speaker 24: That's a lot of sausage rolls, a you know if

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Speaker 24: you break that down. So yeah, he couldn't.

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Speaker 12: We didn't get any straight answers out of that. There

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Speaker 12: was a lot of money.

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Speaker 24: We don't know how many people were here, so that

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Speaker 24: were have helped to understand and we don't know who

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Speaker 24: we did know.

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Speaker 2: I thought there were eighty people. Image didn't we know that.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure it was.

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Speaker 14: I wasn't on the committee, and that's not my portfolio,

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Speaker 14: it's Paul's. But all its is Sonneykelshler has dedicated. I

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Speaker 14: don't think anyone would challenged him around the dedication he's

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Speaker 14: given to public safety, especially our smaller medium sized businesses

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Speaker 14: of retail crime and violent retail crime. I know that

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Speaker 14: he has literally done dozens of public meetings around the country.

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Speaker 2: Have two hundred and twenty seven thousand dollars. Now much

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Speaker 2: is that? Is that annual or is that quarterly?

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Speaker 4: No, that'd be annual, but twenty five a day.

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Speaker 24: It's nine hundred and twenty five a day, and he's

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Speaker 24: claimed the full amount. That was the point so that committee, No,

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Speaker 24: we asked the question about how many a meeting. We

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Speaker 24: didn't get that clear, but the point was that he'd

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Speaker 24: claimed even like weekends in public holiday, so we questioned

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Speaker 24: whether he was actually working for all.

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Speaker 4: We We just had it.

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Speaker 14: We just had a stabbing. A shopkeeper was stabbed in

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Speaker 14: christ Dutch last week. Sonnykelshill was straight down there meeting

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Speaker 14: with the meeting with the community meeting with the shopkeepers.

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Speaker 14: He's brought forward some very good policy ideas. He cheered

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Speaker 14: the Ministerial Advisory Group, Paul Goldsmith, and they're doing some

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Speaker 14: outstanding work and.

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Speaker 2: Okay, can it explain to me how this works? So

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Speaker 2: much he goes down there, he meets with him and

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Speaker 2: then as a resulter, you expecting that he would come

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Speaker 2: back to you with, Hey, listen, this is this is

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Speaker 2: a problem that we've got to deal with and this

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Speaker 2: is how we can fix this kind of thing and

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Speaker 2: prevent it happening again.

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Speaker 14: Well, the best, the best way to make good laws

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Speaker 14: in Wellington's to go out and speak to the people

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Speaker 14: that were actually impacted by it.

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Speaker 4: And that's what he does.

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Speaker 2: Well, that goes someway, Ginny. Doesn't that go some way

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Speaker 2: to explaining why he's working every single day that God

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Speaker 2: gave him.

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Speaker 12: Well, that's encouraging, I will say there either.

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Speaker 24: But the point I think is that bothers me is

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Speaker 24: all the ideas he's come up with, He offered them

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Speaker 24: up to me when I was Minister for Free He

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Speaker 24: came and gave me and we gave us a petition

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Speaker 24: to committee.

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Speaker 12: He came and talked to us.

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Speaker 24: He didn't charge me two hundred and thirty nine dollars

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Speaker 24: or a three thousand dollars inunch for those same ideas.

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Speaker 2: But also now you raise now you're opening up questions

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Speaker 2: about if he gave them to you for free, white,

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Speaker 2: didn't you do them mate?

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Speaker 12: Because they're still and the police said that people get here,

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Speaker 12: the police.

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Speaker 14: So here that I'll just say this, under the under

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01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 14: labor violent retail crime went through the roof. Under national

1514
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 14: we're reducing it. So it probably tells you a lot,

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01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:12,799
Speaker 14: doesn't it that you had a guy like Sonny Calshot

1516
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:15,760
Speaker 14: there who was campaigning, who was holding public meetings, who

1517
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 14: was trying to speak to the government. And what's Jenny's response,

1518
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,759
Speaker 14: They just dumb ideas. These are coming from the shopkeepers, Ginny.

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01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 24: These are ideas that Caroline Young on that are really

1520
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 24: got these sensible ideas.

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01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 14: In Caroline, and we work with Caroline Young and retail

1522
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:32,719
Speaker 14: in Ze as well. But we're talking about the small

1523
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 14: dairy owners on the corner that don't have all the

1524
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:37,680
Speaker 14: money that the big end of town do, and they

1525
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 14: deserve a voice because are the ones and the employees,

1526
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 14: are the ones turning up at the shelp at the

1527
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 14: counter and the ones that are having to face this

1528
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 14: violent retail crime. So yes, they need a voice, and

1529
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 14: we listen to them and we bring their ideas forward.

1530
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 14: We don't get to get stuck on this beltway mindset

1531
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:55,760
Speaker 14: where we know best. We've actually got to listen to

1532
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:56,639
Speaker 14: the people that are impacted.

1533
01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 2: Match, I'm just doing a really quick order. How long

1534
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 2: you taking off for summer holidays?

1535
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 14: I'm going to We're going up to Bali for ten

1536
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 14: days to meet my daughter, my son in law and

1537
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 14: my grand daughters and go and stay on our.

1538
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 4: Private island pulling.

1539
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 14: According to Ginny, we've got a private life island.

1540
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 3: One of those.

1541
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not.

1542
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 14: Your your bully is not really good because if we

1543
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 14: do not have a private island, the house they've got

1544
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 14: to house, we're meeting them there and we're going to

1545
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 14: have ten days.

1546
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,759
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're back early New year, Jinny.

1547
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 24: I'm going to Castle Point. I don't own Castle Point.

1548
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 24: I'm just ciring any bm B.

1549
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 14: There island Castle.

1550
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 12: I don't know if there is.

1551
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 2: Give you between the two of you bickering, I'm never

1552
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 2: going to be able to do.

1553
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 3: This order you're back.

1554
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 24: It's usually about the interversary days. So about the nineteen twenty.

1555
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 2: Nice, all right for some thank you very much.

1556
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 4: What are you going to be doing well?

1557
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 14: You guys are going to be over Tyre doing.

1558
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 2: Some surfer yeahte I'm going there and I'm going to see.

1559
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna come gate crash your corerimandal places. I don't

1560
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 2: know if you know this, Jinny, but he also he

1561
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 2: also owns a town in the Corimandel, So there's that can.

1562
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 12: Board.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good to talk to the lord. Honestly, you too

1564
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 2: is like husband and a wife make Mitchell, Ginny Anderson anyways,

1565
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 2: trying to figure out if summer holidays are too long?

1566
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 2: Obviously Ginny's and yes there's no eight twenty two.

1567
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 1: Heather dupas Allen on the mic Asking Breakfast, where the

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1585
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Speaker 2: for c Ellens, didn't get a chance actually to talk

1586
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Speaker 2: to them about the business with the Taxpayers Union v

1587
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 2: Nikola Willis, But what I will say is keep an

1588
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 2: eye out for what happens next week with the half

1589
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 2: yearly economic financial update. All that sounds boring, doesn't Its

1590
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 2: opening the books the HIFU. I have a strong suspicion

1591
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 2: that Nichola Willis is going to push out surplus supposed

1592
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 2: to happen in twenty nine. I reckon she's pushing it

1593
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:47,760
Speaker 2: out to thirty. Keep an eye on that because that's

1594
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 2: going to cause all kinds of trouble. For this government.

1595
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 2: I've got a fun Trump update for you, because they

1596
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 2: all are fun. At the moment, it looks like the

1597
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 2: very thing that Trump fired Lisa Cook for and that

1598
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:01,600
Speaker 2: the administration is using to bring against Letitia James and

1599
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 2: Adam Scheff, Trump himself has done this is what his

1600
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 2: administration is calling mortgage fraud. So, if you remember correctly,

1601
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 2: Lisa Cook was fired because it emerged that she'd bought

1602
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:14,640
Speaker 2: two houses within weeks of each other, and then she'd

1603
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 2: taken out mortgages, and in each of those mortgages, she

1604
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 2: had claimed that she was living in the house as

1605
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 2: a primary residence. But you can't be living in two

1606
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 2: houses at the same time as primary residence, are so

1607
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 2: quote mortgage fraud. So she got the sack. Turns out

1608
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 2: now that Donald Trump did exactly that in nineteen ninety three,

1609
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 2: bought two houses next to each other in Palm Beach

1610
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 2: within seven weeks of each other, took out mortgages, claimed

1611
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 2: in both that he was going to be primarily living

1612
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 2: in that house. So he's going to live in that house,

1613
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 2: and he's going to live in that house. Problems. He

1614
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 2: lived in neither house, rented them both out immediately as

1615
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 2: investment properties what he calls deceitful and potentially criminal, were

1616
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 2: off to Australia. Next to checking on the social media

1617
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 2: band used to exibi.

1618
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 1: Chris Tough on Power Sharp on Inside Heather due for

1619
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 1: Sea Allen on the mic asking breakfast with Bailey's real

1620
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 1: estate doing real estate differently since nineteen seventy three, news

1621
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:16,799
Speaker 1: togs dead.

1622
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 2: Be Peggy's in trouble, Peggy being Peggy Barrows. You know

1623
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 2: who I'm talking about. Peggy is the one who She's

1624
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 2: the principle of Higata Community Campus. She's the one who

1625
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 2: went you know public with the moldy food v David

1626
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 2: Seymour had a crack at hamm It went at all

1627
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 2: turned pair shape. I involved myself in that in some

1628
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 2: obscure way. Anyway, She's in trouble because remember we talked

1629
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 2: about this yesterday. The Auditor General's Office had to look

1630
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 2: into the well Being Fund, the six thousand dollars that

1631
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 2: Grant Robinson just sprayed at the principles to spend on

1632
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 2: whatever turns out. Hiata Community Campus and Peggy spent eighteen

1633
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 2: and a half thousand dollars on a trip to Queenstown

1634
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 2: for its senior leadership team. They spent about ten thousand

1635
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,560
Speaker 2: dollars on accommodation, six thousand dollars on meals, drinks and

1636
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 2: tourist activities inn in May last year. Money came from

1637
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 2: partly the twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four allowances.

1638
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 2: Trip did not provide enough evidence is the Office of

1639
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 2: the Order to General School did not provide enough evidence

1640
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:12,600
Speaker 2: for all the spending that occurred as part of the

1641
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 2: trip had that had a clear business purpose, or rather

1642
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:18,760
Speaker 2: it had no clear business purpose. So I think you

1643
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 2: can see that this is getting ugly for Peggy and

1644
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:22,719
Speaker 2: we're all interested in what she's been up to lately.

1645
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 2: Twenty two Away from nine.

1646
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 1: International Correspondence with ends and eye Insurance, Peace of mind

1647
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 1: for New Zealand business.

1648
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:35,559
Speaker 2: And out of Australia. We've got our correspondence Steve Price, Morning, Steve,

1649
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 2: Good day, Heather. How's the social media band going well?

1650
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 11: I'm glad I'm not a parent today of a teenager

1651
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 11: under the age sixteen. Can you imagine waking up this

1652
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 11: morning and they've got their social media sites turned off?

1653
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 11: I mean it's happened progressively this week. I heard a

1654
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 11: couple of talkback callers yesterday, kids who normal normally would

1655
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 11: use Snapchat. Snapchat turned under sixteen's off progressively this week.

1656
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 11: One mother saying, well, my daughter's fourteen. She didn't realize

1657
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,519
Speaker 11: they're going to turn it off early. She just had

1658
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:08,680
Speaker 11: her end of years social They took a lot of

1659
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 11: pictures and now she can't access the pictures. Will they

1660
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 11: still exist two years time when she turned sixteen? Now

1661
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 11: the media so they will. This is the world first.

1662
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 11: The government is behind it, major media players like Newslamit

1663
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:25,839
Speaker 11: in Australia behind it as well. Read It on Tuesday

1664
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 11: night confirmed that they would implement new safety features to comply,

1665
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:32,719
Speaker 11: but at the same time they're launching a legal challenge

1666
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 11: against the policy. There is a High Court challenge that

1667
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 11: is going to go before the High Court at some

1668
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 11: stage early next year. The accounts are suspended and it's

1669
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 11: going further because the Premiere of South Australia, Peter Malanowskis,

1670
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 11: who was the boker.

1671
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 19: Came up with this idea in the first place.

1672
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 11: He says, in South Australia, what they're actually going to do, Heather,

1673
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 11: is they're going to try and campaign to delay the

1674
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 11: introduction of smartphones to anyone under that age of sixteen,

1675
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 11: and so parents will be given a kid to try

1676
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 11: and help them encourage them not to give their children

1677
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 11: smartphones until they turn the age of sixteen. I don't

1678
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 11: know how successful that will be. And you know, I

1679
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:14,679
Speaker 11: am always a little skeptical about these things. My feeling,

1680
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 11: Heather is. And I'm sure there's plenty of people listening

1681
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 11: to you now nodding their heads will so agree with

1682
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 11: me that kids under sixteen will find a way around

1683
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 11: this fairly quickly. How many of them do it? Who knows?

1684
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 11: We may never know.

1685
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, they definitely will, because the kids and they find

1686
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:31,280
Speaker 2: the work around generally. Oh, I see, you guys are

1687
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:33,679
Speaker 2: going to be burning coal for what the next twenty five.

1688
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 11: Years or so? Yeah, this is excuse me. I email

1689
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 11: report the Show and Energy Market Operator. It'll be released today,

1690
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:44,800
Speaker 11: one hundred and fifteen page report tipped out at the

1691
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 11: end of the year hoping not a lot of people notice,

1692
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 11: but it's been picked up. We're told that coal will

1693
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 11: be needed to stabilize the grid heather until twenty forty nine.

1694
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 11: Why that dad important? Well, we have net zero emission

1695
01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:00,000
Speaker 11: policy of this federal government that kicks in in twenty

1696
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 11: fifty Chris Bowen. Of course, ironically our climate change minister.

1697
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 11: He's been appointed as the cop President of Negotiations, So

1698
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 11: this book's going to be flying around the world convincing

1699
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 11: developing countries to stop burning coal, while his own country

1700
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 11: has been told we'll need it to step in when

1701
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:22,720
Speaker 11: wind and solar are not working efficiently, and he's going

1702
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:24,639
Speaker 11: to try and tell other people not to burn coal,

1703
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 11: which is ironic and it's quite delicious really. The report

1704
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 11: also says that wind has become just too expensive, and

1705
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 11: there's also concerns in there about transmission lines and where

1706
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 11: they're being ram through national parks and people's farms. So

1707
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 11: it'll be very, very fascinating to see how the government

1708
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 11: reacts to that report today.

1709
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:48,719
Speaker 2: Now Anika wells, but she loves keeping a taxi waiting

1710
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:49,600
Speaker 2: for hours, doesn't she.

1711
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 11: That's horrendous. I mean of all the things, you know,

1712
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 11: flying the husband to Grand Finals and NRL Grand Finals

1713
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 11: austraight and Open tennis and even taking a kids to

1714
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 11: threadboat to go skiing in the winter. I think of

1715
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 11: all the things that have come out so far, and

1716
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 11: boys a lot come out. The fact that she've got

1717
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 11: a Comca commal driver to wait outside the Australian Open

1718
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 11: while she sat and watched the women's final for somewhere

1719
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 11: between seven and ten hours. I think that'll upset and

1720
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 11: the anger more Australians probably than just the air fares.

1721
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 11: But as usual with these things, I heard you're talking

1722
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 11: about a travel wrote before. As always the journos start

1723
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 11: digging and if they found a hell of a lot

1724
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 11: of stuff on everybody, so they're all doing it. Today

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Speaker 11: we learn that two Greens senators use their family reunion

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01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 11: rights to fly family relatives from Sydney to the Gold

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01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 11: Coast to a Palestinian protest and a blues festival. So

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01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 11: this is just going to get worse and worse and worse.

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01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:52,799
Speaker 11: The only answer to this is they've got to rewrite

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01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:57,800
Speaker 11: the rules and you can't have you know, everybody using

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01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 11: it to their own benefit that way. It's just not

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01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 11: in the spirit of what the laws were written for

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Speaker 11: in the first place.

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Speaker 2: No, too right, I think the rules need to be rewritten. Steve.

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Speaker 2: As always, thank you mate, look after yourself and have

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01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 2: a good day. Steve Price, Ozsie correspondent. If you're still

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01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 2: not convinced by the social media band I've got something

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01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:14,639
Speaker 2: that might change your mind, or get to it shortly.

1739
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 2: The cricket team, the English cricket team. If you've been

1740
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 2: following the Ashes, you know that every single piece of

1741
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 2: criticism that they are getting for how little work that

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01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:27,719
Speaker 2: they're doing on their tour of Australia is completely warranted

1743
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 2: because they suck. The Sydney Morning Herald has now done

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01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 2: the numbers on how many days they've worked. Get a

1745
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 2: load of this, okay, So since they arrived in Australia

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01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 2: exactly a month ago, they have spent six days in

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01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 2: a month, six days playing Test cricket. If you want

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01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 2: to add, just to be generous, if you want to

1749
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:47,200
Speaker 2: add the three day warm up they played against themselves

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01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 2: before the first Test, you can make it nine days.

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01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:50,560
Speaker 2: But I'm telling you that's been generous. It's really a

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01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 2: six days that was just that was a lark from them.

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01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 2: Eleven is the number of days that they have held

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01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:58,560
Speaker 2: training sessions. Some of them were optional, you didn't have

1755
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,080
Speaker 2: to go along. When is the number of days that

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01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:03,759
Speaker 2: they've had off and the travel days since they arrived.

1757
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:05,640
Speaker 2: Now that is about to grow, because yesterday they went

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01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 2: to NUSA. Because it's been so taxing that he has

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01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:10,560
Speaker 2: some R and R so that they're off having R

1760
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:12,719
Speaker 2: and R and NUSA for what looks like an extraordinary

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01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:14,760
Speaker 2: amount of time by the team. By the time the

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01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 2: team begins training for the next match, they will have

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01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 2: had off a total of fourteen days out of thirty four,

1764
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 2: which means that in the entire time that they've been

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01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:25,240
Speaker 2: in Australia doing work, because cricket's their work, they will

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01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:27,760
Speaker 2: have been off forty one percent of the time, which

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01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 2: is not bad for a work trip. I think you

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01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 2: can agree, but it does also maybe explain why they

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Speaker 2: suck so much on the pitch.

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Speaker 1: Quarter two the Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio,

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Speaker 1: powered by News Talks at.

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Speaker 2: BI Heather, I think you'll find that at that level

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01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 2: of Test cricket, the English players will be doing individual

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01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 2: sessions outside the team sessions, especially around the batting and bowling,

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01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:51,479
Speaker 2: and I'd be very surprised that they weren't doing that well.

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01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:54,719
Speaker 2: The suggestion is that they're not because bas Brenda McCullum

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01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:57,519
Speaker 2: has actually come out and defended all the days off.

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01:22:57,560 --> 01:23:00,599
Speaker 2: He said, sometimes the most important thing is to feel

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01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:03,680
Speaker 2: a little bit fresh and make sure that your top

1780
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 2: two inches are completely sound. I think the boys just

1781
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 2: need a few days off. I mean maybe they do.

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01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:11,760
Speaker 2: We you can look at the record. Maybe they don't

1783
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:14,759
Speaker 2: twelve away from nine. Okay, So here we go. So today,

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01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 2: as we've discussed, the social media ban has kicked in

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01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:19,680
Speaker 2: in Australia, and it's also the same day that we've

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01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 2: got yet another study that shows that you should not

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01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:25,120
Speaker 2: let the kids be using social media when they're very young,

1788
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 2: because it may, in fact be if they have ADHD,

1789
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:30,720
Speaker 2: it may be making it worse, may in fact be

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01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 2: introducing it to them. So this is a peer reviewed

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01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 2: report from the Kolinska Institute in Sweden and also the

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01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 2: Oregon Health and Science University in the US. And what

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01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:42,479
Speaker 2: they did is they monitor the development of about eighty

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01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 2: three hundred or so kids based in the US from

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01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 2: the age of ten to fourteen. So these are kids

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01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:50,479
Speaker 2: who would be banned under Australia's ban, right, And it

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01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 2: looked at kids who were spending What they found as

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01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 2: they were spending an average of two point three hours

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01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 2: a day watching TV or videos online, one point four

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Speaker 2: hours on social media, and then one point five hours

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01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 2: one and a half hours playing video games. Now, what

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01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:06,799
Speaker 2: they found is there was no link between the video

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01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 2: games and the watching TV and the watching YouTube and

1804
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:13,720
Speaker 2: then getting the ADHD and being easily distracted and stuff. Again,

1805
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 2: So TV's not doing it, video games aren't doing it,

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01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 2: YouTube's not doing it. But social media over a period

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01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 2: of time was associated with an with an increase in

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01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 2: inattention symptoms in children. They've screened, by the looks of things,

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01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:31,519
Speaker 2: for social economic background, they've screened for genetic predisposition. They

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01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:33,360
Speaker 2: say it's got nothing to do with that. It is

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01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 2: completely the social media and if they're right, they hypothesize

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01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 2: that this may go some way to explaining why everybody's

1813
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:43,640
Speaker 2: getting the old ADHD diagnoses at the moment, because of

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01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 2: course social media has been when did we start using

1815
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 2: social media like properly About fifteen years ago. Maybe you

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01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 2: could push it out to twenty, but it is really

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01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 2: about fifteen years ago and all of a sudden the

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01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 2: old ADHD shot up. So they think they may go

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01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:58,479
Speaker 2: some way to explaining why that's happening. So you can't

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01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:00,599
Speaker 2: argue that it isn't a good idea and at least

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01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 2: a good effort from the Australians. We can have a

1822
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 2: debate about whether it will work or not.

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Speaker 1: Ten Away from nine, Heather dup c Ellen on the

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Speaker 2: They'd be morning here that my two children play Roadblocks, Roadblocks, Roadblocks.

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01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 2: I think I'm pronouncing that right. Just recently, Roadblocks had

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01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:21,639
Speaker 2: an update and newsers had to scan their face. Think

1828
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 2: about when you're setting up your phone for face ID.

1829
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 2: They just basically did that. My teen year old boy

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01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:27,800
Speaker 2: can now only chat with nine to twelve year old

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01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 2: It's probably a good thing. My twelve year old daughter, though,

1832
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 2: was put in the seventeen to eighteen year old range,

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01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 2: and she made an alternative account and then that one

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01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 2: put her in the twenty plus category. She's not happy

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01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 2: because she can't talk to her school friends or her

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01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 2: gaming friends. I mean, do you know what test though,

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01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 2: I reckon that this is just like this, You got

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01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 2: to push through it. This is I mean, try telling

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01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 2: the children and that they're not going to love that.

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01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 2: But I reckon they just pushed through this, but get

1841
01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:50,200
Speaker 2: a new sense of normal chat to their friends in

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01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:52,920
Speaker 2: real life instead of online, and everybody will be okay

1843
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:56,560
Speaker 2: again and probably better for it. Listen Worth going to

1844
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 2: read what Simon Bridges has written about the economic recovery

1845
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 2: next year. We all know it's coming and we're all very,

1846
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 2: very very excited for it, because Jesus, it's been a

1847
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:07,920
Speaker 2: long time, isn't it. But he says, just calm your farm.

1848
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:10,560
Speaker 2: Ever so slightly right. He thinks it's going to be

1849
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:13,679
Speaker 2: not blockbuster growth, but just a bit of a grind

1850
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 2: out of it. So a bunch of reasons. You know,

1851
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 2: Australia will keep sucking away our talent. Unemployment is still

1852
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:20,679
Speaker 2: a bit of a problem here that weighs on sentiment.

1853
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 2: There's a chance of a share marker correction. But he thinks,

1854
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 2: most importantly, the election will be a thing, because he says,

1855
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 2: I predict economic momentum in the first half of the year,

1856
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 2: but we all tend to hold off on decisions and

1857
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 2: spending during an election campaign, especially one that's a close

1858
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 2: call like this one is looking, so don't every unrealistic

1859
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:38,880
Speaker 2: hopes for the middle of the year onwards. Champagne corks

1860
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:43,040
Speaker 2: will ultimately pop, I reckon, but for heaven, think twenty seven.

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01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 2: I think he may be onto something. Six away from nine.

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Speaker 1: Trending now Warehouse, the Real House of frequances.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we told you last week on the show what

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01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:56,120
Speaker 2: the color of the year was. It's a form of white.

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01:26:56,439 --> 01:27:00,240
Speaker 2: It's called cloud Dancer. Now there's been some criticism, of course,

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01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:03,719
Speaker 2: because a favorite color is subjective, but the criticism about

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01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:06,760
Speaker 2: cloud Dancer has gone far beyond why wasn't it red.

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Speaker 22: We've just watched one of the darkest years on record, genocide, livestream,

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01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:14,800
Speaker 22: far right, government's rising, open fascism in the streets, and

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01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 22: Pantone really looked at all of that and said, Yeah,

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01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 22: the vibe for twenty twenty six is pure white.

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01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 18: It's giving Sidney Sweeney hows goodjans, it's giving Mariah Carey

1873
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:25,760
Speaker 18: saying that elves aren't working hard enough.

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01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 3: It's a political statement. You're going to choose white and

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01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 3: market it as a soothing research Probably.

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01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 5: I think the fact that it's white this year is

1877
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:38,720
Speaker 5: a problem and is an indicator of the global riter fascism.

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01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:43,760
Speaker 2: Fascism, Yes, so be for for God's sake, whatever you do,

1879
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:47,879
Speaker 2: do not put on a white shirt today, you absolute fascist.

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01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,719
Speaker 2: Oh no, what are you wearing a white shirt today?

1881
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 4: What do you are?

1882
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 2: What are you wearing our cancine?

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01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 23: I love the irony that every single one of those

1884
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 23: people you just heard was kind of like an earnest

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01:27:59,120 --> 01:27:59,919
Speaker 23: young privilege.

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01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 2: Why probably, Lord, I mean, it's like they would have

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01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:06,840
Speaker 2: wanted a shade of black to reflect that they're rolling

1888
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 2: stone song. Ain't I see a red door? Oh it's

1889
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:12,080
Speaker 2: a cloud dance door. I wanted painted black. Hey, this

1890
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 2: has got to be honestly, if you're looking for something

1891
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 2: just to rage, watch apart from Justinda's movie, obviously, go

1892
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:19,800
Speaker 2: and see if you can find the video of the

1893
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:24,160
Speaker 2: council in London painting the disabled bay around the parked car.

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01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:27,479
Speaker 2: The guy had parked legally. This isn't the Croydon Council

1895
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:31,040
Speaker 2: area New Addington, South London. He'd parked legally, and then

1896
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:33,679
Speaker 2: he'd gone on holiday. Right parked is audi there? Oudi's

1897
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:36,719
Speaker 2: asking for trouble. Goes on holiday, council worker comes around,

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01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 2: paces out, he literally paces it out, and then starts

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01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:43,880
Speaker 2: painting lines around the car parked legally. Now the cars

1900
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 2: are leegal because he's painted the lines around it. Nick

1901
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 2: minute on comes another council worker gives him a ticket.

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01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:52,519
Speaker 2: That happens four times. He gets four tickets. So obviously

1903
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 2: what they didn't count on is the fact that he's

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01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:56,519
Speaker 2: got the CCDV pointing down at the AUDI and he's

1905
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:59,639
Speaker 2: filmed this whole little thing that's just played out there,

1906
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:03,320
Speaker 2: pops it on social media and what does Croydon Council do. Immediately?

1907
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:07,280
Speaker 2: Riscinds the fines and says sorry, but insists it's standard

1908
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 2: practice to paint around vehicles to prevent delays, but says

1909
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:14,559
Speaker 2: nothing much about what happens when you paint around vehicles

1910
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:16,519
Speaker 2: And then old mate comes around and gives you four tickets.

1911
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:18,719
Speaker 2: So go and have a look at that. And however,

1912
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 2: whatever's made you angry today, however bad your day is,

1913
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 2: it will feel so much better because you're not that

1914
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 2: guy with that CCTV having to fight that ridiculous counsel. Anyway,

1915
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 2: I'm going to go straight home and take my t

1916
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:34,439
Speaker 2: shirt off just you know, okay, somebody thinks I'm supporting fascism.

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Speaker 3: You enjoy your day.

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