1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,680 Speaker 1: On the huddle of this this evening, we have Morris 2 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Williams and Auckland councilor, former National Party minister, and Oscar Kitley, 3 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: who's of course an artist and local government politician nowadays. 4 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: High lads, now, listen, I just got a text saying 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: here that you've been telling us the wrong time for 6 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: over an hour. Now, please check your clock. You've been 7 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: an hour ahead of yourself. I've got Morris, look a 8 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: look at what I've got? Five forty one? What have 9 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: you got? 10 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: I've got five forty one where I am? Yes, what 11 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 2: have you got? 12 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 3: Week? I've got Okay. 13 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: Because from we's Stalkland, they're on a different time zone. 14 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 3: Out there, Yeah they're away. 15 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So we've checked it, so we've calibrated. I'm 16 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: on the same time. It's possible that the text is 17 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: in fact and out maybe the text is listening from 18 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: some another time zone. 19 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 2: I just want to see there you go? 20 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: Does happen? Okay? Listen, Morris, how do you feel about it? 21 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: Five to ten thousand dollars a week is not a 22 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: lot of money. Do we tip it in. 23 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 2: For the subsidy of originaire. I'm not a keen I'm 24 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 2: not keen on anything. I seriously believe that most ventures 25 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 2: like that if they charge the right price, set the 26 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 2: right frequency. It used to be my occupation long before politics, 27 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: of doing such things. The moment you start putting subsidies in, 28 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 2: then you can argue how much that subsidy should be, 29 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: and then it starts growing competitors well then saying well, 30 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 2: we wanted as well on our route. It becomes a 31 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 2: chasing your tail. If it's not viable, it's just not viable. 32 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 2: And we've got to understand we're a very small country 33 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 2: with only five million people, and that's a modest city 34 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 2: anywhere else in the world. 35 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and well, what do you think, Oscar, it's not 36 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: viable in New Zealand. Tried it didn't work. Sounds that 37 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: you tried it didn't work. Originally you tried it didn't work. 38 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: So should the thing just be allowed to tip over? 39 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 3: I mean, I guess it's about your priorities, right, how 40 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 3: much value regional connectivity. But I can't see the government 41 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 3: leaning into this opportunity, you know, the thing type of 42 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 3: thing against transport, So I don't see them taking advantage 43 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 3: of this. Unfortunately, for origin. 44 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: You Onravor the question ask it if you were the minister, 45 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: would you put the money in? 46 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: Yeah? 47 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 3: Probably would get the money from those four thousand people. Well, 48 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,399 Speaker 3: I would ask my experts to look at the experts 49 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 3: that I would trust. 50 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: Delegated that you're going to be. 51 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 2: You would be. 52 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:18,399 Speaker 1: You're that kind of apolician. 53 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: Bloody Treasury again, Bloody stats. 54 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: New Zealand gave me the wrong advice. All Right, we'll 55 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: take break, lads, we'll come back and talk about the 56 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: change in messaging that we just got from there on 57 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: the Iran war just a minute ago. Right, you're back 58 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: with the huddle. Morris, Williamson, Oscar Kateley, Morris, what do 59 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: you reckon is behind the change in messaging and tone 60 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: from the government on our fuel situation. 61 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: I think the reality is beginning to dawn that this 62 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: is going to take a lot longer and get a 63 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 2: lot messier, have a lot more impact on the economy 64 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 2: because you keep hearing of industries that a lot of 65 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 2: people never even gave any thought to, like the plastics 66 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,679 Speaker 2: industry is going to be up for a bloody big 67 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: charge and so on. And I think just as that 68 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 2: the reality starts to dawn about the length this could 69 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 2: run for and the impact right across the economy and 70 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: the GDP, and so I think there's going to have 71 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: to be some really quick moves about what we do 72 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 2: with regards to fuel supply, guaranteeing the essential services, then industry, 73 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: and then how we sort of get people to change 74 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: their behaviors along the way. I think the sooner you 75 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 2: do it, the better. 76 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: I can't Morris, I can't remember who it was, but 77 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: somebody was on the show earlier this week and rated 78 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: the chance that we have fuel shortages and rationing at 79 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: seventy five percent. 80 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 2: Where do you put it, I'd say, certainly in the 81 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: high seventy eighties. I think it's going to almost certainly happen. 82 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 2: That the problem with this war is that it's got 83 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 2: so many moving parts and it's got so much time 84 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 2: that it'll play out. For the idea that it will 85 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 2: be over in a week or two weeks, as Donald 86 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 2: Trump keeps saying, it is just fanciful. This is going 87 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: to go for a long time, and the impact will 88 00:03:55,960 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: be huge, and it impacts right across in the history 89 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: and economies and people, even you know, even the tourist industry. 90 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 2: One of the big things that helped keep our GDP 91 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 2: at only a pot two percent. Today was visited spending 92 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 2: was up seven point eight percent. Where you can kiss 93 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: goodbye to visitor travel for the next few months or 94 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 2: even a year or so. If you start seeing aviation 95 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 2: fuel and prices going where it's going? 96 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: Okay, what do you think, Oscar? Are you freaking out yet? 97 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 3: I al ready was. I was always surprised that they 98 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 3: weren't showing more agency. I'm really glad that they finally have. 99 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm old enough to have lived through the 100 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 3: Afghanistan War and the Iraq War, and I remember at 101 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 3: the beginning of both those conflicts, no one thought they 102 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 3: would go further than you know, a few weeks, a 103 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 3: few months, and I'm just try And I felt like 104 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 3: at the time our Coomi was able to adjust to 105 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 3: those things, but this feels way different. So I'm glad 106 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 3: they're finally showing some emergency. And I felt like this 107 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 3: group should meet daily rather than you know, twice a weekly. 108 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 2: I got a bit to handle that quickly. I'm old 109 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 2: enough to have lived through Carlos days. 110 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, me too. 111 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: Oh look, you couldn't one up, Oscar. He's as old 112 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: as you are. Morris, what color was, No, it can't. 113 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 2: Be that old. There's no way. 114 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: Okay, the GDP number oscar. Now this has come out 115 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: and not looking that flash did that surprise you? Did 116 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: you have a sense towards the end of the DARF 117 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: I did that it wasn't growing at the rate that 118 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: people thought it was. 119 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 3: You know here that I'm not angry. I'm just disappointed. 120 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 3: I just thought we would do a way a lot 121 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 3: better with a government led by Chris Luxon, you know, 122 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 3: especially given his experience within New Zealand, a UNI lever. 123 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 3: I thought, you know, National always go on about how 124 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 3: they're the best at managing money, and if we can 125 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 3: take our GDP as one of the KPIs that will 126 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 3: hold the government to you know, I think it's okay 127 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 3: to expect more from them. So, you know, as a 128 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 3: citizen of this country, we all need them to do so. 129 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 3: I wish the very success and I wanted to do well, 130 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 3: but it feels like their plan is just like what 131 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 3: we're all doing, which is waiting for things to get better. 132 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: Morris, Right, there is the problem for the election, right. 133 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it'll only get worse now with what's happening 134 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 2: in the world. The problem is that all the numbers, 135 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 2: like a couple of nights ago, you were running big 136 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: story about what the cost of living has done over 137 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 2: the last year, but they added the last sentence, which 138 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 2: was important. None of this was affected by the Iran 139 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 2: crisis that's yet to come on top of this, and 140 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 2: I think there were some key numbers in that GDP announcement. 141 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 2: The one that really got to me was a thing 142 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 2: called the volume of building work put in place that 143 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 2: fell by three point one percent in the December quarter, 144 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 2: where that should and that's a really key input that 145 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 2: should have been growing and it's not. And if you 146 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 2: add everything else going, I don't think when we get 147 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 2: to seven November, the government's going to be looking in 148 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 2: great shape to say, look how well the economy's doing 149 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 2: and how much better off you all are. 150 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, guys, listen, I'm going to leave it there. 151 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Thank you both so much for 152 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: your time. That's Oscar Kiteley and Morris Williamson. 153 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 2: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive listen live to 154 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,679 Speaker 2: news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 155 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.