1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Just keeping an eye on the White House, nitnya, who's there. 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: They just canceled the press conference, which is never a 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 1: good sign. They look like they'll speak from the yellow chairs, 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: which is limited questions. So I don't know whether anything's 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: gone wrong there, but will keep you posted obviously. Now 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: back home, what a day for the military. It's all 7 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: onto the tune of billions over the next handful of 8 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: years as the government looks to return us to some 9 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: sort of operative credibility twelve billion over four years by 10 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight, spending at a credible two percent of 11 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: our GDP. Former Defence Min's to Ron Mike well us 12 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: Ron morning. 13 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 2: Good morning, Mike, how are you very well? Thank you? 14 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 2: You like it. I'm toasting the coalition government. I have 15 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 2: to say that, and I've got to say, Mike, I 16 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: can I can see the fingerprints of the coalition partners 17 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 2: all over this. It says wonderful news and I have 18 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 2: no doubt Judith Collins has been very grateful for support 19 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 2: of Winston Peters month. 20 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: So you're saying Peter's an active nudge national this way, Well, 21 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: I think. 22 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: It's very clear if you go right back to where 23 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 2: they were when they started, and you know, I've always 24 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: is disappointment that the past nationals had to have of 25 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 2: writing wonderful plans. But you know, as we used to 26 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 2: say in the Diving World, plan to dive and dive 27 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,559 Speaker 2: the plan, the plan's not worth anything if you don't 28 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 2: an act and enable it with money. And this time, 29 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 2: you know they have all all three of them have 30 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: come out guns blazing so to speak, and put the 31 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 2: money and they're put up this. 32 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: Plays well will their allies? 33 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 2: Oh look, this will play well with our strategic partners globally. 34 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm thinking right now us see in the 35 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 2: FPDA and the Indo Pacific, I'm thinking of security comfort. 36 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 2: There will be that the South Pacific Ense Minister. It 37 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 2: will get five eyes also and NATO can't forget NATO. 38 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: But it's also going to enhance the Prime Minister and 39 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 2: the Minister Foreign Affairs ability to secure our economic huture. 40 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 2: You can't have prosperity without security, and right now we're 41 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 2: living in possibly the most insecure times that we've seen 42 00:01:58,120 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 2: since the Second World War. 43 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: Do you worry about the big picture of labor and 44 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: the Greens get back in they're a bit anti military? 45 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: Or is this bulletproof, not do you a year. 46 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 2: I do, Mike, and I think the thing I learned, 47 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 2: if you want to make your capability plan bulletproof, you 48 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 2: get the contracts done and just as fast as you 49 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 2: possibly can, and then it makes it very hard for 50 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 2: them to turn things around. I think it's going to 51 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: put labor in a bit of a buying because they 52 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 2: made a lot of fuss about the fact that you're 53 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 2: under their watch. They did all this investment. Well, you know, 54 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 2: they had their firmly shoved up their back, let's be 55 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 2: clear about that. But it's something different when you look 56 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 2: at their track report between twenty and twenty when they 57 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 2: had ultimate power themselves in twenty twenty three, they squashed 58 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: pretty much everything that I had lined up for the 59 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: next Trianium and that set us backwards. So what this 60 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 2: announcement does is it redresses that failure of that three 61 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: years that accelerates forward within twelve billions. Was it nine 62 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: billion going over the next four years? No, twelve billion 63 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: over the next four years and nine billion dollars of 64 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 2: new money. The real is going to come and what 65 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 2: the Prime Minister identified and then stand up after the 66 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 2: after cabinet that you can't have platforms and capability if 67 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 2: you don't have confident, capable and experienced personnel as well, 68 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: and that's going to be the big challenge. 69 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: Yes, we'll appreciate the insight ron ron mark form of 70 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: defense ministers. For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen 71 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: live to news talks. 72 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast 73 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 2: on iHeartRadio.