1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talks at B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:16,173 Speaker 1: Follow this and our Wide Ranger podcast now on iHeartRadio, 3 00:00:22,413 --> 00:00:24,173 Speaker 1: Straight down the Middle. 4 00:00:24,093 --> 00:00:25,293 Speaker 2: Drop Sky. 5 00:00:26,973 --> 00:00:35,453 Speaker 1: Try get inside the game from every end goal. It's 6 00:00:35,573 --> 00:00:39,373 Speaker 1: Rugby Direct with Elliott Smith and Leam Navier powered by 7 00:00:39,413 --> 00:00:40,213 Speaker 1: News Talks B. 8 00:00:41,093 --> 00:00:44,253 Speaker 2: Welcome into Rugby Direct powered by Habit House Book today 9 00:00:44,453 --> 00:00:48,253 Speaker 2: and stay in the game. Elliott Smith with me, Liam 10 00:00:48,333 --> 00:00:51,733 Speaker 2: Napier and nape said, has been a full on day 11 00:00:51,733 --> 00:00:54,413 Speaker 2: for both of us, up early to go to Palmi 12 00:00:54,533 --> 00:00:57,133 Speaker 2: North and then be on that too Field and Yellow's 13 00:00:57,173 --> 00:01:00,733 Speaker 2: Rugby Club for the first All Black Squad announcements of 14 00:01:00,893 --> 00:01:04,333 Speaker 2: the year. I'm sure by now our beloved listeners would 15 00:01:04,333 --> 00:01:07,613 Speaker 2: have seen that list. But what was your reaction to 16 00:01:07,653 --> 00:01:10,813 Speaker 2: the third before, read by David Kirk at about twelve 17 00:01:10,813 --> 00:01:11,533 Speaker 2: o'clock today? 18 00:01:11,933 --> 00:01:14,333 Speaker 3: It was great to be in the heartlands, wasn't Elliott's 19 00:01:14,333 --> 00:01:20,653 Speaker 3: in championship country these days? Super rugby championship country. Good burgers, 20 00:01:20,893 --> 00:01:23,013 Speaker 3: great people, yep, great rugby teams. 21 00:01:24,773 --> 00:01:26,493 Speaker 2: Keep going. We'll get to the hurricanes of it later 22 00:01:26,533 --> 00:01:28,933 Speaker 2: on that We're allocated about ninety seconds for them of 23 00:01:28,933 --> 00:01:29,453 Speaker 2: the podcast. 24 00:01:30,373 --> 00:01:32,733 Speaker 3: Look the thirty four man All Black Squad Dave Any 25 00:01:33,213 --> 00:01:41,373 Speaker 3: highly anticipated. I think largely as expected, but four rookies 26 00:01:41,573 --> 00:01:45,453 Speaker 3: and a couple of big emissions. Rika Whanney the big 27 00:01:45,493 --> 00:01:51,893 Speaker 3: headline missing absentee, the first player to go away on 28 00:01:51,973 --> 00:01:54,693 Speaker 3: an overseas sabbatical and not come back straight to the 29 00:01:54,693 --> 00:01:58,173 Speaker 3: All Blacks. So that's notable in itself we can unpack. 30 00:01:58,493 --> 00:02:00,733 Speaker 3: I guess we're Rico's that in terms of his career. 31 00:02:00,813 --> 00:02:05,453 Speaker 3: Bit more, Noah Hotham starting Crusaders halfback, overlooked for Kyle 32 00:02:05,453 --> 00:02:11,293 Speaker 3: Preston who was very impressive off the bench, and Dupe 33 00:02:11,413 --> 00:02:15,213 Speaker 3: Caifa played eight Tests for the All Blacks last year 34 00:02:15,253 --> 00:02:19,893 Speaker 3: as rookie test year under Scott Robinson without really having 35 00:02:20,813 --> 00:02:22,973 Speaker 3: too much impact or a lot of those tests were 36 00:02:23,013 --> 00:02:26,493 Speaker 3: off the bench. He's been usurped by Anton Segna. So 37 00:02:27,093 --> 00:02:29,773 Speaker 3: I think three big outs, four big inns and Artie 38 00:02:29,773 --> 00:02:32,253 Speaker 3: Severe captain who was probably always going to be captain, 39 00:02:32,293 --> 00:02:32,573 Speaker 3: wasn't He. 40 00:02:32,813 --> 00:02:35,133 Speaker 2: Did feel like it was heading towards Ardie Savier being captain. 41 00:02:35,133 --> 00:02:36,813 Speaker 2: There's a bit of talk about a Cody Taylor or 42 00:02:36,853 --> 00:02:39,773 Speaker 2: a Jordie Barrett, but it felt like Dave Rennie was 43 00:02:39,813 --> 00:02:42,213 Speaker 2: poised to make Ardie Savia captain. Although they he only 44 00:02:42,253 --> 00:02:46,093 Speaker 2: made that phone call yesterday to Ardie Savia. We'll get 45 00:02:46,093 --> 00:02:48,693 Speaker 2: onto some of the emissions and various other things shortly. 46 00:02:49,533 --> 00:02:52,453 Speaker 2: The four new Caps named today out of the Hurricanes, 47 00:02:52,453 --> 00:02:55,493 Speaker 2: three from the title winning team, prob Zavi and Numea 48 00:02:55,573 --> 00:03:00,213 Speaker 2: Wingsfo and Josh Morby gets elected and out of the 49 00:03:00,213 --> 00:03:04,493 Speaker 2: Blues Anton Segna, three players that had certainly been in 50 00:03:04,533 --> 00:03:08,573 Speaker 2: the mix. Sorry full players that have been in the mix. Again. 51 00:03:08,573 --> 00:03:11,173 Speaker 2: The loose for trio was always up for debate, saving 52 00:03:11,173 --> 00:03:12,453 Speaker 2: to me, I felt like he was going to be 53 00:03:12,453 --> 00:03:15,053 Speaker 2: They've had a very very good Super Rugby season and 54 00:03:15,133 --> 00:03:17,893 Speaker 2: the two wings combined for thirty four tries for the 55 00:03:17,893 --> 00:03:21,613 Speaker 2: young and Moreby and I guess we start with them. 56 00:03:21,653 --> 00:03:25,173 Speaker 2: Their form was just irrepressible and have played it down 57 00:03:25,213 --> 00:03:26,813 Speaker 2: a bit by just saying he caught the ball into 58 00:03:26,813 --> 00:03:30,773 Speaker 2: the passing chain today. But you know they've earned their 59 00:03:30,773 --> 00:03:33,173 Speaker 2: spots and they've gone with the hot hands and the wingers. 60 00:03:33,493 --> 00:03:33,693 Speaker 4: Yeah. 61 00:03:33,693 --> 00:03:37,213 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I think traditionally the all Black swings you 62 00:03:37,293 --> 00:03:39,413 Speaker 3: do select on form. You get them when they're hot, 63 00:03:39,453 --> 00:03:43,093 Speaker 3: when they're scoring tries. But these guys have done more 64 00:03:43,133 --> 00:03:46,373 Speaker 3: than that. I think they have made the most of 65 00:03:46,733 --> 00:03:49,613 Speaker 3: the hurricanes attack, but they've they go looking for work 66 00:03:49,893 --> 00:03:51,693 Speaker 3: and then he is a real work. Great guys, but 67 00:03:52,173 --> 00:03:54,973 Speaker 3: these guys go off their wings that are highly involved, 68 00:03:56,093 --> 00:04:02,893 Speaker 3: great furnishing, prowess, anticipation, different players. Moreby's probably morphed from 69 00:04:03,133 --> 00:04:06,693 Speaker 3: a fallback to a wing finger on all four his 70 00:04:06,853 --> 00:04:11,653 Speaker 3: strength pay and I think he's been the best finisher 71 00:04:11,693 --> 00:04:14,653 Speaker 3: out and out finisher in Super Rugby this year. Interesting 72 00:04:14,693 --> 00:04:18,053 Speaker 3: to see where his contract goes now. I think I 73 00:04:18,093 --> 00:04:20,253 Speaker 3: don't know this, but I think Morby may have missed 74 00:04:20,253 --> 00:04:23,973 Speaker 3: out had lestifying a nook who been fits. They could 75 00:04:24,013 --> 00:04:26,933 Speaker 3: have included Fying a Nuoku as a forward or a back. 76 00:04:27,013 --> 00:04:30,293 Speaker 3: He's got that hybrid potential. But both those guys are 77 00:04:30,333 --> 00:04:33,293 Speaker 3: fully deserving of their inclusion. It's going to be interesting 78 00:04:33,333 --> 00:04:35,933 Speaker 3: to see how that form translates to the Test arena, 79 00:04:36,453 --> 00:04:39,573 Speaker 3: which in recent years has featured a lot more high balls. 80 00:04:39,613 --> 00:04:42,173 Speaker 3: That's been a real Achilles hero of the All Blacks game. 81 00:04:43,573 --> 00:04:45,293 Speaker 3: Moreby is probably more proficient at that. 82 00:04:45,853 --> 00:04:48,493 Speaker 2: From the limited evidence we've seen at Super rugby level. 83 00:04:48,493 --> 00:04:50,173 Speaker 2: And again it's not a way. You know, we sort 84 00:04:50,173 --> 00:04:52,093 Speaker 2: of a lot of it on Saturday night with the weather, 85 00:04:52,173 --> 00:04:55,053 Speaker 2: but it's not necessarily a way that New Zealand teams 86 00:04:55,773 --> 00:04:58,373 Speaker 2: tend to attack, or at least not with the regularity 87 00:04:58,493 --> 00:05:02,373 Speaker 2: of foreign teams where they are using it as one 88 00:05:02,413 --> 00:05:04,853 Speaker 2: of the sole attacking weapons. It's part of the arsenal 89 00:05:04,893 --> 00:05:06,653 Speaker 2: for a lot of New Zealand teams, but not the 90 00:05:06,973 --> 00:05:10,253 Speaker 2: sole thing or the main driver to the way to 91 00:05:10,293 --> 00:05:14,893 Speaker 2: turn aerial battles into position contests. But I've been really 92 00:05:14,933 --> 00:05:17,493 Speaker 2: impressed with Josh Morby, and he's a player that I 93 00:05:17,533 --> 00:05:20,213 Speaker 2: think he's twenty seven from memory, you know, went and 94 00:05:20,213 --> 00:05:21,853 Speaker 2: had a stint in France. 95 00:05:21,733 --> 00:05:24,373 Speaker 3: Well Montpellier. He was signed for two years, got out 96 00:05:24,373 --> 00:05:26,813 Speaker 3: of that contract one year early to come home for 97 00:05:26,853 --> 00:05:28,253 Speaker 3: the Hurricanes, and now he's in the album. 98 00:05:28,413 --> 00:05:30,253 Speaker 2: Now he's in the All Blacks and he looking pressed 99 00:05:30,293 --> 00:05:34,173 Speaker 2: before he went, but didn't really shout All Blacks potential, 100 00:05:34,213 --> 00:05:37,013 Speaker 2: at least to me. Has come back and looks really 101 00:05:37,053 --> 00:05:38,453 Speaker 2: in a shured part. And for a lot of the 102 00:05:38,493 --> 00:05:41,893 Speaker 2: season he sort of went under the radar with Finangonoph 103 00:05:41,933 --> 00:05:43,973 Speaker 2: and I'd argue that phanangen enough went under the radar 104 00:05:44,053 --> 00:05:45,813 Speaker 2: last year at the Hurricanes because of what Kenning the 105 00:05:45,853 --> 00:05:48,653 Speaker 2: Holo was doing on the other wing. But this year 106 00:05:48,653 --> 00:05:50,973 Speaker 2: they both got the Spoils and I really like Molby's 107 00:05:51,013 --> 00:05:55,933 Speaker 2: tidiness under the highball. His work rate is exceptional. He 108 00:05:55,973 --> 00:05:59,453 Speaker 2: goes looking for work and inside the twenty two he's 109 00:05:59,493 --> 00:06:03,413 Speaker 2: just a bundle of energy and I think that's really 110 00:06:03,493 --> 00:06:06,773 Speaker 2: real positive to have in an all black setup. 111 00:06:07,213 --> 00:06:09,333 Speaker 3: Yeah, and when we cast ahead to the first Test, 112 00:06:09,453 --> 00:06:11,373 Speaker 3: I think you're probably looking at Caleb Clark on the 113 00:06:11,453 --> 00:06:15,013 Speaker 3: left and Fingale and Off on the right. Fullback's probably 114 00:06:15,053 --> 00:06:17,493 Speaker 3: up for debate at this point because will Jordan's touch 115 00:06:17,533 --> 00:06:19,933 Speaker 3: and go whether he'll be fit for that, So it 116 00:06:20,013 --> 00:06:23,933 Speaker 3: could be Bone and Barrick, could be Damien McKenzie, but 117 00:06:25,693 --> 00:06:29,733 Speaker 3: I don't think Morby will be starting just yet. But yeah, 118 00:06:29,733 --> 00:06:31,933 Speaker 3: interesting to see how those guys are progressed. 119 00:06:32,133 --> 00:06:34,653 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And with Jordan not potentially not being there, 120 00:06:34,653 --> 00:06:36,613 Speaker 2: I don't know why they'd risk him against France. It 121 00:06:36,613 --> 00:06:38,533 Speaker 2: feels like maybe you get him some game time against 122 00:06:38,533 --> 00:06:40,293 Speaker 2: Italy and then with a view to playing him against 123 00:06:40,333 --> 00:06:44,933 Speaker 2: Ireland in Week three of the Nations Championship the Southern Series, 124 00:06:44,973 --> 00:06:47,293 Speaker 2: so you know those are the options there's Having you 125 00:06:48,053 --> 00:06:51,013 Speaker 2: upfront has been impressive for the Hurricanes this year. Fellow 126 00:06:51,053 --> 00:06:52,813 Speaker 2: last year he was right in the mix inn from 127 00:06:52,813 --> 00:06:56,253 Speaker 2: memory injury just around the All Black squad selection, then 128 00:06:57,093 --> 00:07:00,133 Speaker 2: didn't quite get up to All Black speed. But this 129 00:07:00,253 --> 00:07:03,053 Speaker 2: year he's been a vital part of that Hurricanes title 130 00:07:03,133 --> 00:07:08,093 Speaker 2: winning team and really like what he offers at scrum time, 131 00:07:08,493 --> 00:07:10,813 Speaker 2: So you know, around the park, really impressed with what 132 00:07:10,853 --> 00:07:12,453 Speaker 2: he's done and while deserving of a selection. 133 00:07:13,413 --> 00:07:16,453 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think again, the Test arena will test him 134 00:07:16,493 --> 00:07:23,133 Speaker 3: in different ways. You're coming up against the box potentially England, Islands, 135 00:07:24,173 --> 00:07:28,853 Speaker 3: France really good scrummaging. Scrummaging in particular will potentially raise 136 00:07:28,853 --> 00:07:30,893 Speaker 3: a few question marks, but we'll yet to find that out. 137 00:07:30,933 --> 00:07:34,973 Speaker 3: But in terms of around the field mobility, offloading, physicality 138 00:07:35,013 --> 00:07:39,733 Speaker 3: on defense that he really brought this year, he could 139 00:07:39,733 --> 00:07:42,453 Speaker 3: not pack com I thought Lean Norris might have gone close, 140 00:07:42,493 --> 00:07:45,893 Speaker 3: but they went George Bauer, so he knew me a 141 00:07:45,973 --> 00:07:50,373 Speaker 3: fully deserving What about signa overt duplessy on the face 142 00:07:50,413 --> 00:07:53,013 Speaker 3: of it too, kind of similar players who attacked the 143 00:07:53,013 --> 00:07:57,453 Speaker 3: breakdown a lot signa. It's a great story, isn't it. 144 00:07:57,893 --> 00:08:00,013 Speaker 3: He started playing rugby as a ten year old in 145 00:08:00,053 --> 00:08:05,613 Speaker 3: Germany following the twenty eleven World Cup from Europe, getting 146 00:08:05,693 --> 00:08:09,133 Speaker 3: up in the morning and took a chance to Nelson 147 00:08:09,173 --> 00:08:13,693 Speaker 3: as a teenager room with leicesterifying Anokho down there, and 148 00:08:13,813 --> 00:08:16,733 Speaker 3: he's just really really chipped away at his craft, bulked 149 00:08:16,813 --> 00:08:19,453 Speaker 3: up and this season was a standout for the Blues 150 00:08:19,533 --> 00:08:21,973 Speaker 3: in a pretty underwhelming Blues year. 151 00:08:22,053 --> 00:08:24,373 Speaker 2: Yea, he was. He was clearly the best player, most 152 00:08:24,373 --> 00:08:28,253 Speaker 2: consistent play and look, I imagine it was a really tight 153 00:08:28,333 --> 00:08:31,213 Speaker 2: call between those two. But we've seen Signa's work rate 154 00:08:31,413 --> 00:08:34,973 Speaker 2: is huge and I'm not saying du isn't because he 155 00:08:35,013 --> 00:08:37,133 Speaker 2: gets a lot of work, gets all the week, a 156 00:08:37,133 --> 00:08:40,693 Speaker 2: lot of turnovers, but it sounds like Anton Signer's work 157 00:08:40,773 --> 00:08:44,213 Speaker 2: post contact with ball in hand, post contact meters probably 158 00:08:44,213 --> 00:08:46,893 Speaker 2: got him over the line. He's a line out option, 159 00:08:46,973 --> 00:08:49,133 Speaker 2: although you probably wantn't want to use him with too 160 00:08:49,173 --> 00:08:52,533 Speaker 2: much regularity at international level, but the Blues certainly had 161 00:08:53,973 --> 00:08:55,573 Speaker 2: And yeah, it's just I mean, it's a great story, 162 00:08:55,653 --> 00:08:57,213 Speaker 2: isn't it. And and look, he's gonna have to take another 163 00:08:57,213 --> 00:08:59,133 Speaker 2: step up to go to test level. But I sort 164 00:08:59,133 --> 00:09:02,213 Speaker 2: of felt last year, you know, would track the story 165 00:09:02,213 --> 00:09:04,093 Speaker 2: for a little bit. You know, it's been a headline 166 00:09:04,133 --> 00:09:05,853 Speaker 2: story for it for a number of years now, Anton 167 00:09:05,933 --> 00:09:08,933 Speaker 2: Signa and the potential of playing you know, All Blacks 168 00:09:08,933 --> 00:09:11,933 Speaker 2: and starting with Nelson College and then Tasman and beyond, 169 00:09:12,293 --> 00:09:13,973 Speaker 2: it felt like it for a time it maybe it 170 00:09:14,013 --> 00:09:16,013 Speaker 2: wouldn't happen for him, Maybe it was just a tad 171 00:09:16,053 --> 00:09:16,853 Speaker 2: too small. 172 00:09:16,613 --> 00:09:18,973 Speaker 3: But yeah, I felt we talked about him earlier this 173 00:09:19,053 --> 00:09:21,253 Speaker 3: year and you're probably pushing this case a wee bit 174 00:09:21,293 --> 00:09:24,173 Speaker 3: more than I thought, maybe on the cusp, but potentially 175 00:09:24,173 --> 00:09:25,053 Speaker 3: we were undersized. 176 00:09:25,173 --> 00:09:28,013 Speaker 2: Yeah, but he has bulked up. And not saying he's, 177 00:09:28,373 --> 00:09:30,333 Speaker 2: you know, the hulk, but he's he's bulked up a 178 00:09:30,413 --> 00:09:34,613 Speaker 2: little bit. And sometimes test we kind of need those 179 00:09:34,653 --> 00:09:39,333 Speaker 2: players that are just terurious and that is probably where 180 00:09:39,373 --> 00:09:41,973 Speaker 2: Anton Signa falls into his work road is immense. And 181 00:09:42,733 --> 00:09:44,333 Speaker 2: you know what's that saying, it's not the size of 182 00:09:44,413 --> 00:09:46,853 Speaker 2: the five and the dog, it's the size of the 183 00:09:46,853 --> 00:09:48,893 Speaker 2: dog and the flight. Whatever it might be. It's been 184 00:09:48,933 --> 00:09:52,373 Speaker 2: a long day. But regardless, that's the kind of player 185 00:09:52,373 --> 00:09:54,333 Speaker 2: that he is and could be for the All Blacks. 186 00:09:54,573 --> 00:09:57,853 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think he deserves a crack. He was 187 00:09:58,093 --> 00:10:02,453 Speaker 3: Blues Player of the Year players player just consistently amongst everything, 188 00:10:02,933 --> 00:10:05,573 Speaker 3: and I think Renny talked today, like you pointed out 189 00:10:05,573 --> 00:10:09,893 Speaker 3: about the numbers behind some of the selections, but also 190 00:10:10,013 --> 00:10:13,413 Speaker 3: reference to the fact that dub Careff he was sensational 191 00:10:13,453 --> 00:10:16,413 Speaker 3: for the Hurricanes last year and probably didn't quite have 192 00:10:16,573 --> 00:10:20,293 Speaker 3: the same impact this season, where Signa in a battling 193 00:10:20,333 --> 00:10:22,773 Speaker 3: Blues team was consistently their best player. 194 00:10:22,853 --> 00:10:24,293 Speaker 2: So that helps. 195 00:10:24,333 --> 00:10:26,933 Speaker 3: And also think back to last year and yeah, the 196 00:10:26,973 --> 00:10:29,173 Speaker 3: All Blacks had their struggles, but I think Caref he 197 00:10:29,333 --> 00:10:33,493 Speaker 3: did struggle to bring that same impact, particularly at the breakdown, 198 00:10:33,573 --> 00:10:36,573 Speaker 3: which is his out and out strength from Super rugby 199 00:10:36,573 --> 00:10:40,773 Speaker 3: to the Test arena. So maybe this All Black panel 200 00:10:40,813 --> 00:10:41,773 Speaker 3: reflected on that as well. 201 00:10:41,813 --> 00:10:44,453 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and look, his time may come again for the 202 00:10:44,493 --> 00:10:47,733 Speaker 2: All Blacks the South African to look, he'd be the 203 00:10:47,733 --> 00:10:51,013 Speaker 2: ideal of midweek captain's. His absolute leader is Careffe and 204 00:10:51,413 --> 00:10:53,293 Speaker 2: you know is on the edge of that Test level. 205 00:10:53,973 --> 00:10:55,853 Speaker 2: He could be a player that you know, leads this 206 00:10:55,933 --> 00:10:59,453 Speaker 2: team in the in those key midwek fixtures away from 207 00:10:59,453 --> 00:11:01,973 Speaker 2: the you know that the shadow Test team potentially, I 208 00:11:01,973 --> 00:11:03,573 Speaker 2: don't know, I mean maybe something that they look at. 209 00:11:05,133 --> 00:11:08,293 Speaker 2: Let's talk about do they slipped on form they promised 210 00:11:08,373 --> 00:11:10,053 Speaker 2: I would and Dave Ronnie did when he took on 211 00:11:10,053 --> 00:11:11,133 Speaker 2: the job. Do you feel they did. 212 00:11:11,373 --> 00:11:15,533 Speaker 3: In most cases? Yes, I think you could argue guys 213 00:11:15,693 --> 00:11:23,413 Speaker 3: like Courtiz Ratma, Luke Jacobson that just top of the 214 00:11:23,493 --> 00:11:26,893 Speaker 3: heads there's eleven Canes as eleven Chiefs, So the two 215 00:11:26,933 --> 00:11:31,653 Speaker 3: best teams in Super rugby were rewarded. There's five Crusaders 216 00:11:32,853 --> 00:11:38,133 Speaker 3: with a few missing through injury, but uh, it's well done, 217 00:11:38,173 --> 00:11:43,133 Speaker 3: Dave Rennie. Five Blues, one from Wana an Ardi and 218 00:11:43,253 --> 00:11:47,813 Speaker 3: one lone soldier Ethan de group from from the Highlanders 219 00:11:47,853 --> 00:11:52,413 Speaker 3: taaoare missing out as well. So the two best teams 220 00:11:52,413 --> 00:11:57,653 Speaker 3: in New Zeala have been rewarded. But you could potentially 221 00:11:57,733 --> 00:12:01,813 Speaker 3: argue the Chiefs are a bit heavy, but they clearly 222 00:12:01,933 --> 00:12:05,973 Speaker 3: like Jacobson over over a Kreefe because he covers all 223 00:12:06,013 --> 00:12:10,293 Speaker 3: three loose Ford trio position and Ratsma I think didn't 224 00:12:10,293 --> 00:12:12,973 Speaker 3: have his best season and I still have question marks 225 00:12:13,013 --> 00:12:16,813 Speaker 3: about his ability at test level. I really like Kyle 226 00:12:16,813 --> 00:12:20,773 Speaker 3: Preston's inclusion. I think his speed to the breakdown, which 227 00:12:20,813 --> 00:12:23,253 Speaker 3: is why Rennie pointed out that no Hope the missed 228 00:12:23,253 --> 00:12:27,653 Speaker 3: out and his Preston's ability to kick off both feet. 229 00:12:28,933 --> 00:12:31,853 Speaker 3: What about you on the whole? Did Rennie make good 230 00:12:31,893 --> 00:12:32,413 Speaker 3: on his promise? 231 00:12:32,493 --> 00:12:34,693 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think he did. Look, there's always players you 232 00:12:34,733 --> 00:12:38,213 Speaker 2: can quibble over and What sticks in the mind Ros 233 00:12:38,253 --> 00:12:41,173 Speaker 2: recently is the Hurricanes belting the Chiefs to the tune 234 00:12:41,213 --> 00:12:43,573 Speaker 2: of sixty points to five. But he said that no 235 00:12:43,653 --> 00:12:45,733 Speaker 2: one they had thirty four locked in before the final 236 00:12:46,253 --> 00:12:49,253 Speaker 2: didn't change as a result of that. I think by 237 00:12:49,293 --> 00:12:51,813 Speaker 2: and large it's on form. You know, there are players 238 00:12:51,813 --> 00:12:54,133 Speaker 2: in that squad that certainly haven't had their best seasons. 239 00:12:54,693 --> 00:12:56,613 Speaker 2: You know, Boden Barret would be one of those as well. 240 00:12:57,773 --> 00:12:59,773 Speaker 2: And you know there's probably a little bit of pressure 241 00:12:59,813 --> 00:13:03,573 Speaker 2: coming in with Richie Wong is impending return, absolutely because 242 00:13:03,573 --> 00:13:05,973 Speaker 2: one of these three are going to be squeezed out, 243 00:13:06,213 --> 00:13:08,053 Speaker 2: you would think, out of the first five ranks unless 244 00:13:08,053 --> 00:13:10,573 Speaker 2: they pipulate at the squad in a different way. You know, 245 00:13:10,653 --> 00:13:13,893 Speaker 2: Lucas Casey had a strong season for the Highlanders, maybe 246 00:13:13,973 --> 00:13:15,973 Speaker 2: touched too early, but wouldn't surprise to see him on 247 00:13:16,013 --> 00:13:19,253 Speaker 2: the South African tour and probably a little bit hurt 248 00:13:19,293 --> 00:13:22,133 Speaker 2: by the fact that the Highlanders season ended so early and 249 00:13:22,133 --> 00:13:23,813 Speaker 2: he wasn't in front of mine for selectors too. 250 00:13:24,013 --> 00:13:25,893 Speaker 3: Yeah, just on that I heard a whisper that so 251 00:13:25,933 --> 00:13:28,693 Speaker 3: the All Blacks, they had a camp prior to the 252 00:13:28,733 --> 00:13:33,333 Speaker 3: squad naming guys like Ethan Blackheader Lucas Casey, Richie Muanger. 253 00:13:33,853 --> 00:13:38,333 Speaker 3: We're all amongst that and the non finalists, so clearly 254 00:13:38,373 --> 00:13:39,973 Speaker 3: those guys are well in the frame. 255 00:13:40,093 --> 00:13:42,733 Speaker 2: Indeed, you touched on before Kyle Preston making it over 256 00:13:42,893 --> 00:13:44,813 Speaker 2: Noah hopem Let's listened to what Dave Rennie had to 257 00:13:44,853 --> 00:13:46,573 Speaker 2: say about that earlier today. 258 00:13:48,253 --> 00:13:50,493 Speaker 4: I just really like his speed the breakdown and the 259 00:13:50,573 --> 00:13:51,573 Speaker 4: quality of his skill set. 260 00:13:51,573 --> 00:13:53,053 Speaker 2: He distributs really well. 261 00:13:54,333 --> 00:13:56,213 Speaker 4: We want to play a really high tempo game, and 262 00:13:57,013 --> 00:14:00,333 Speaker 4: he sees that he's obviously kicks excellently off both feet 263 00:14:00,413 --> 00:14:03,933 Speaker 4: and so look, it was tough Noah's noa has had 264 00:14:03,933 --> 00:14:07,093 Speaker 4: a good season. He's a very good player. But we 265 00:14:07,173 --> 00:14:12,173 Speaker 4: felt Kyle and will it give us a little bit 266 00:14:12,213 --> 00:14:14,413 Speaker 4: more speed to a breakdown? 267 00:14:14,733 --> 00:14:16,653 Speaker 2: Speed to the breakdown and we you s emphasize that 268 00:14:16,693 --> 00:14:19,173 Speaker 2: what they're looking for there, it couldn't be much clearer, really, no. 269 00:14:19,253 --> 00:14:21,773 Speaker 3: And that comes back to the way this all Black 270 00:14:21,773 --> 00:14:27,733 Speaker 3: team will attempt to play tempo, pace, physicality, brutality. I 271 00:14:27,773 --> 00:14:30,533 Speaker 3: think you'll see them try and use the ball get 272 00:14:30,573 --> 00:14:34,133 Speaker 3: to width, but fundamentally they'll have to win the collisions first. 273 00:14:34,733 --> 00:14:36,613 Speaker 3: They'll have to get that go forward. Their set piece 274 00:14:36,653 --> 00:14:40,293 Speaker 3: will have to be proficient, but speedable both in the 275 00:14:40,373 --> 00:14:43,453 Speaker 3: hands and at the breakdown's key and if you're getting 276 00:14:43,453 --> 00:14:44,893 Speaker 3: that go forward you don't want to waste it. So 277 00:14:45,053 --> 00:14:46,733 Speaker 3: it is probably a bit of a rocket for Noah 278 00:14:46,853 --> 00:14:48,613 Speaker 3: to work on that area of his game. 279 00:14:49,053 --> 00:14:52,733 Speaker 2: From Our Statsman, where Crusader's commentator Nick Beuley pointed out 280 00:14:52,733 --> 00:14:55,373 Speaker 2: that Kyle Preson did not start a single game for 281 00:14:55,413 --> 00:14:57,653 Speaker 2: the Crusaders. There can't of be many players that have 282 00:14:57,773 --> 00:15:00,253 Speaker 2: done that in the Super Rugby season then being selected 283 00:15:00,773 --> 00:15:01,773 Speaker 2: in the All Blacks. 284 00:15:02,173 --> 00:15:04,533 Speaker 3: No, I can't think of too many. I guess the 285 00:15:04,613 --> 00:15:06,733 Speaker 3: Hurricanes are probably one example of their depth at tight 286 00:15:06,773 --> 00:15:09,613 Speaker 3: hair prop Pusclio Tossi was a bit of a boulter 287 00:15:09,733 --> 00:15:13,453 Speaker 3: from the blue, wasn't there. He had barely played for 288 00:15:13,453 --> 00:15:17,133 Speaker 3: the Hurricanes, but they liked his body shape and his 289 00:15:17,253 --> 00:15:20,733 Speaker 3: potential and that's been proven true. So yeah, sometimes your 290 00:15:20,733 --> 00:15:23,813 Speaker 3: Black selectors have different ideas in their club counterparts. 291 00:15:23,893 --> 00:15:26,693 Speaker 2: Yeah, they do. What order would you put the half back. 292 00:15:26,773 --> 00:15:30,613 Speaker 2: Let's assume Roy Guard's top, who would you put on 293 00:15:30,653 --> 00:15:32,053 Speaker 2: the bench for next week's test. 294 00:15:32,213 --> 00:15:34,813 Speaker 3: I'd have Preston, yeah, because he's a real point of 295 00:15:34,813 --> 00:15:38,653 Speaker 3: difference and he's been fulfilling that role very well for 296 00:15:38,693 --> 00:15:42,013 Speaker 3: the Crusaders. I think Ratima has got elements of game 297 00:15:42,133 --> 00:15:47,573 Speaker 3: his game to work on while he's more experienced. I 298 00:15:47,653 --> 00:15:49,213 Speaker 3: do like what Preston brings. 299 00:15:48,973 --> 00:15:53,493 Speaker 2: You, specipect Hathn's time would probably come again. His speed 300 00:15:53,533 --> 00:15:55,693 Speaker 2: to ruck is what evidently he needs to work on, 301 00:15:55,733 --> 00:15:57,573 Speaker 2: according to Dave, for any there, because it's not up 302 00:15:57,613 --> 00:16:00,053 Speaker 2: with what Preston's doing, Ratsma and of course roy Guard, 303 00:16:00,493 --> 00:16:02,573 Speaker 2: so he needs to work on that for Tasma and 304 00:16:02,613 --> 00:16:03,053 Speaker 2: the NPC. 305 00:16:03,533 --> 00:16:06,133 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's be clear that this that this thirty four 306 00:16:06,133 --> 00:16:09,573 Speaker 3: man squad is for Three Nations Cheam and Ship's tests 307 00:16:09,733 --> 00:16:12,893 Speaker 3: in July, and you can have forty four players go 308 00:16:12,933 --> 00:16:15,173 Speaker 3: to South Africa and August, so it's only a month away. 309 00:16:16,333 --> 00:16:18,853 Speaker 3: And that adding ten extra players gives you so much 310 00:16:18,853 --> 00:16:21,213 Speaker 3: more flexibility, allows you to build depth. You're going to 311 00:16:21,293 --> 00:16:24,853 Speaker 3: have multiple games. So the door is not closed on 312 00:16:25,693 --> 00:16:28,653 Speaker 3: Iwane and a lot of these guys, or is it. 313 00:16:28,693 --> 00:16:30,533 Speaker 2: Well, maybe it is. He's what Dave Rinni had to 314 00:16:30,533 --> 00:16:33,973 Speaker 2: say earlier about how the selection wents in terms of 315 00:16:34,253 --> 00:16:37,253 Speaker 2: not selecting Rico Juani for the All Black Side. Yeah, 316 00:16:37,373 --> 00:16:38,573 Speaker 2: I missed a lot of competition. 317 00:16:38,973 --> 00:16:40,813 Speaker 4: If you look at a couple other guys who've come 318 00:16:40,853 --> 00:16:46,173 Speaker 4: and on debut fore Here and Josh basical call seventeen 319 00:16:46,213 --> 00:16:52,053 Speaker 4: tries each have been on fire. Now Rico I've obviously 320 00:16:52,053 --> 00:16:55,453 Speaker 4: been away at Leinster and what we know is will 321 00:16:55,493 --> 00:16:58,133 Speaker 4: take forty four to Africa, and so he's still an 322 00:16:58,133 --> 00:17:01,893 Speaker 4: opportunity for him to come and especially with his Vestaly well. 323 00:17:01,733 --> 00:17:04,213 Speaker 2: You can add him to the having touring squad by 324 00:17:04,253 --> 00:17:07,293 Speaker 2: the sound of it. But what I took from that 325 00:17:07,333 --> 00:17:09,053 Speaker 2: from Davin is that he clearly sees him as a 326 00:17:09,053 --> 00:17:12,853 Speaker 2: wing option. He mentions for he and Josh moreby being 327 00:17:13,053 --> 00:17:16,533 Speaker 2: in good form, doesn't mention about the midfield makeup for 328 00:17:16,653 --> 00:17:18,453 Speaker 2: Rico y Wanning or am I reading too much into that? 329 00:17:19,253 --> 00:17:21,893 Speaker 3: I think maybe reading too much into it for me. 330 00:17:22,693 --> 00:17:26,413 Speaker 3: Rico his avenue back and is still I think he 331 00:17:26,493 --> 00:17:28,493 Speaker 3: needs to commit to center. I think he's too slow 332 00:17:28,533 --> 00:17:31,933 Speaker 3: for wing. I think he is not proficient under the 333 00:17:31,973 --> 00:17:35,853 Speaker 3: high ball, doesn't deal with it well, doesn't chase it well. 334 00:17:37,133 --> 00:17:39,333 Speaker 3: He did spend the bulk of his time at Leinster 335 00:17:39,413 --> 00:17:42,933 Speaker 3: on the wing, but then finished at center in the 336 00:17:43,013 --> 00:17:46,453 Speaker 3: USC final. If he can really work on his distribution, 337 00:17:47,333 --> 00:17:51,253 Speaker 3: he's still buy and large well prior to going to 338 00:17:51,333 --> 00:17:55,693 Speaker 3: Leinster and now was very good defensively. Yeah, So I 339 00:17:55,773 --> 00:17:58,093 Speaker 3: just think at the back end of his career everything, 340 00:17:58,773 --> 00:18:02,013 Speaker 3: there's so many hurdles to overcome to become a Test winger, 341 00:18:02,053 --> 00:18:04,173 Speaker 3: to turn back the clock. It just it doesn't happen. 342 00:18:04,213 --> 00:18:04,573 Speaker 2: Really. 343 00:18:05,013 --> 00:18:06,653 Speaker 3: So if he is going to crack back, and I 344 00:18:06,693 --> 00:18:09,013 Speaker 3: think his avenue is it seen to. So you're looking 345 00:18:09,013 --> 00:18:14,013 Speaker 3: at guys like Billy Proctor, Antolina Brown, Quinta Pie still 346 00:18:14,053 --> 00:18:15,453 Speaker 3: well down the wrung isn't here he is. 347 00:18:16,053 --> 00:18:17,813 Speaker 2: Look. I made some comments on the pod last week 348 00:18:17,813 --> 00:18:20,213 Speaker 2: around the fact that if you go on sabbatical you 349 00:18:20,253 --> 00:18:23,133 Speaker 2: get selected for the All Blacks, evidently not under Dave 350 00:18:23,173 --> 00:18:25,693 Speaker 2: Rennies All Blacks because they've drawn a hard line and gone, 351 00:18:25,893 --> 00:18:28,613 Speaker 2: actually you're form away from New Zealand isn't good enough 352 00:18:28,973 --> 00:18:33,053 Speaker 2: to be selected in this all black squad. And it's 353 00:18:33,053 --> 00:18:35,213 Speaker 2: the first that I can recall a player going on 354 00:18:35,213 --> 00:18:37,733 Speaker 2: sabbatical and not getting it back, which I guess now 355 00:18:37,773 --> 00:18:40,933 Speaker 2: probably puts in the minds maybe of players that may 356 00:18:40,973 --> 00:18:44,493 Speaker 2: be under the top tier, maybe mid tier players want 357 00:18:44,533 --> 00:18:46,933 Speaker 2: of a better term going on sabbaticals, that have earned 358 00:18:46,933 --> 00:18:49,373 Speaker 2: the right, that have played the seventy test mark, which 359 00:18:49,373 --> 00:18:52,733 Speaker 2: has long been suggested as the trigger mark for earning 360 00:18:52,733 --> 00:18:55,173 Speaker 2: a sabbatical, but it just puts in the back of 361 00:18:55,213 --> 00:18:58,053 Speaker 2: their mind, is this actually worth it? And I don't 362 00:18:58,053 --> 00:19:00,653 Speaker 2: know rika Yani is coming back a USC champion, but 363 00:19:01,333 --> 00:19:03,053 Speaker 2: ultimately was it worth it because he's not going to 364 00:19:03,053 --> 00:19:04,293 Speaker 2: be in the All Blacks at least for the first 365 00:19:04,293 --> 00:19:05,933 Speaker 2: three tests of the year he. 366 00:19:06,173 --> 00:19:08,693 Speaker 3: Was bank balance is going to be improved, and I'm 367 00:19:08,693 --> 00:19:11,653 Speaker 3: sure he enjoyed the experience of going to Ireland, playing 368 00:19:11,693 --> 00:19:15,453 Speaker 3: a different style of rugby, playing in different arenas, with 369 00:19:15,493 --> 00:19:22,173 Speaker 3: different players. All those things are great experiences. I don't 370 00:19:22,173 --> 00:19:24,693 Speaker 3: think it was a great decision from him to go there. 371 00:19:25,453 --> 00:19:28,653 Speaker 3: The bar was set so high by Jordi Barrett Lens 372 00:19:28,653 --> 00:19:33,173 Speaker 3: to have exceptional expectations. Japan would have been a much 373 00:19:33,453 --> 00:19:36,853 Speaker 3: easier option for him. Whether that would have improved his 374 00:19:36,933 --> 00:19:40,853 Speaker 3: game or tested him, probably not in the same capacity, 375 00:19:41,093 --> 00:19:44,773 Speaker 3: but maybe he will regret his decision. And I think 376 00:19:44,853 --> 00:19:48,613 Speaker 3: you're right that others are the fringe or Blacks will 377 00:19:48,653 --> 00:19:51,933 Speaker 3: potentially question that in future, and it does see in 378 00:19:51,973 --> 00:19:55,093 Speaker 3: a signal that you're not guaranteed, and it is the first, 379 00:19:55,133 --> 00:19:57,933 Speaker 3: really I think we've seen others who weren't contracted to 380 00:19:57,973 --> 00:19:59,413 Speaker 3: come back to He's on a rugby so they had 381 00:19:59,413 --> 00:20:01,893 Speaker 3: to come back and first play provincial rugby. But this 382 00:20:01,933 --> 00:20:03,933 Speaker 3: is the first of a guy who had made a 383 00:20:03,973 --> 00:20:07,573 Speaker 3: longer commitment who has not come back for the All Blacks. 384 00:20:07,613 --> 00:20:09,973 Speaker 3: But let's be honest, Rico, prior to going to Leinster 385 00:20:10,053 --> 00:20:12,773 Speaker 3: had been on the Wayne for at least eighteen months. 386 00:20:13,133 --> 00:20:15,613 Speaker 3: He'd fallen down the pecking order. He was out of 387 00:20:15,653 --> 00:20:20,333 Speaker 3: the first choice twenty three squad consistently. He finished starting 388 00:20:20,373 --> 00:20:23,373 Speaker 3: against Wales the last All Blacks Test, but that was 389 00:20:24,173 --> 00:20:28,933 Speaker 3: a fringe prospects wider squad game when the Grand Slam 390 00:20:29,053 --> 00:20:33,013 Speaker 3: was gone. So he's been on the Wayne. This is 391 00:20:33,053 --> 00:20:36,973 Speaker 3: not a total shock. But to go from missing a 392 00:20:37,013 --> 00:20:39,493 Speaker 3: first choice twenty three man squad to a thirty four 393 00:20:39,533 --> 00:20:41,253 Speaker 3: man squad, he's got a lot of work to do. 394 00:20:41,373 --> 00:20:43,973 Speaker 2: He does, and look, maybe the time it lends comes back, 395 00:20:44,013 --> 00:20:47,133 Speaker 2: implements it in the NPC for Auckland or maybe in 396 00:20:47,133 --> 00:20:49,693 Speaker 2: the midweeks for the All Blacks, and maybe his time 397 00:20:49,733 --> 00:20:52,413 Speaker 2: comes again and he does find a way back in. 398 00:20:52,533 --> 00:20:54,653 Speaker 2: But this feels like a big juncture in terms of 399 00:20:54,653 --> 00:20:55,493 Speaker 2: his career, doesn't it. 400 00:20:55,533 --> 00:20:57,533 Speaker 3: Oh massive, And I think by the end of the 401 00:20:57,613 --> 00:21:01,253 Speaker 3: year will know whether he's gonna stick around, have a 402 00:21:01,293 --> 00:21:06,053 Speaker 3: crack at the World Cup, or whether it's times passed 403 00:21:06,053 --> 00:21:08,253 Speaker 3: them by and maybe asked for an early release. 404 00:21:08,453 --> 00:21:13,413 Speaker 2: On early releases or various things. For being selected. We've 405 00:21:13,413 --> 00:21:15,053 Speaker 2: touched on him being selected. We haven't touched on the 406 00:21:15,093 --> 00:21:17,373 Speaker 2: fact that he is leaving after this year in one 407 00:21:17,413 --> 00:21:21,613 Speaker 2: of those other contract wrangles. And you know, presidents, I 408 00:21:21,613 --> 00:21:25,733 Speaker 2: suppose similar to Rico, is that never before, to my knowledge, 409 00:21:25,773 --> 00:21:28,733 Speaker 2: the All Black selected an uncapped player and a year 410 00:21:28,773 --> 00:21:31,733 Speaker 2: that they have signaled they are leaving New Zealand rugby. 411 00:21:31,853 --> 00:21:33,493 Speaker 2: So what does this tell you? 412 00:21:34,613 --> 00:21:38,653 Speaker 3: It tells you that he's very hot and couldn't be overlocked. 413 00:21:38,773 --> 00:21:43,413 Speaker 3: But I think it firmly indicates that the All Blacks 414 00:21:43,413 --> 00:21:45,613 Speaker 3: want him to stay. I think fear he wants to stay, 415 00:21:46,253 --> 00:21:49,773 Speaker 3: and everyone will be doing everything they can to ensure 416 00:21:49,813 --> 00:21:53,013 Speaker 3: that happens. My understanding is there's not going to be 417 00:21:53,053 --> 00:21:56,333 Speaker 3: a rapid resolution around this, but him making the All 418 00:21:56,333 --> 00:22:03,373 Speaker 3: Blacks changes the complexion of his earning capacity and the 419 00:22:03,373 --> 00:22:06,293 Speaker 3: the enticement that comes with going to Newcastle. It's not 420 00:22:06,453 --> 00:22:13,093 Speaker 3: the same money, but it also potentially decentivisers Newcastle as well. 421 00:22:13,133 --> 00:22:14,613 Speaker 3: Because they're not going to get him when they thought 422 00:22:14,653 --> 00:22:17,053 Speaker 3: they were fore he could be in the All Blacks 423 00:22:17,093 --> 00:22:21,893 Speaker 3: till the back end of November and then you know, 424 00:22:21,893 --> 00:22:26,093 Speaker 3: he goes up to Newcastle potentially late. So it significantly 425 00:22:26,213 --> 00:22:28,653 Speaker 3: changes the complexion of that scenario for me. 426 00:22:28,973 --> 00:22:30,973 Speaker 2: Is it still live that maybe he could go up 427 00:22:31,013 --> 00:22:33,533 Speaker 2: and play for Newcastle for a season then push the 428 00:22:34,453 --> 00:22:36,213 Speaker 2: you know, the back end of that contract after the 429 00:22:36,253 --> 00:22:36,613 Speaker 2: World Cup. 430 00:22:36,693 --> 00:22:38,133 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's a lot of things on the table. 431 00:22:38,133 --> 00:22:40,453 Speaker 3: You could potentially struck a compromise where yeah, maybe he 432 00:22:40,493 --> 00:22:42,973 Speaker 3: goes up there for a season and then as available 433 00:22:42,973 --> 00:22:47,093 Speaker 3: for the World Cup. And I think there's a potential compromise. 434 00:22:48,453 --> 00:22:53,493 Speaker 3: It all depends how good his agents negotiating tactics are. 435 00:22:54,333 --> 00:22:56,093 Speaker 2: Anything else on the score. Before we just wra wrap 436 00:22:56,173 --> 00:22:57,573 Speaker 2: up with a bit of captaincy talk. 437 00:22:59,893 --> 00:23:02,013 Speaker 3: I think, so do you do you have any qualms 438 00:23:02,013 --> 00:23:02,933 Speaker 3: of five Crusaders? 439 00:23:04,293 --> 00:23:07,773 Speaker 2: I always wanted more. Look, I didn't stick to my 440 00:23:07,813 --> 00:23:11,613 Speaker 2: sword last. But I think there are certain players that 441 00:23:11,653 --> 00:23:14,253 Speaker 2: were probably close to the cut, like a fee hockey 442 00:23:14,533 --> 00:23:17,173 Speaker 2: or something like that. But you can't argue with the 443 00:23:17,653 --> 00:23:19,493 Speaker 2: likes of Moireb and finnan an Oath that they've been 444 00:23:19,733 --> 00:23:24,653 Speaker 2: outstanding all season long. Probably we signed the Crusaders that 445 00:23:24,733 --> 00:23:27,013 Speaker 2: you know that the power balance, at least the depth 446 00:23:27,093 --> 00:23:29,173 Speaker 2: they used to have in terms of being able to 447 00:23:29,173 --> 00:23:32,733 Speaker 2: call on All Blacks has really shifted and maybe a 448 00:23:32,773 --> 00:23:34,973 Speaker 2: little bit of a wake up call it Crusader's HQ. 449 00:23:35,453 --> 00:23:37,533 Speaker 3: Yeah. The one thing we haven't mentioned Jamie Hannah is 450 00:23:37,533 --> 00:23:42,213 Speaker 3: in as a replacement. Injury replacement well toop goes through 451 00:23:42,253 --> 00:23:45,653 Speaker 3: concussion protocol, so a reward for a standout season. 452 00:23:46,213 --> 00:23:49,053 Speaker 2: He's been very, very good this season and deserving of 453 00:23:49,373 --> 00:23:52,173 Speaker 2: being around the team. Let's get into the captain c 454 00:23:53,413 --> 00:23:56,893 Speaker 2: any speaking about ardisav being appointed the All Blacks captain. 455 00:23:57,213 --> 00:24:00,293 Speaker 4: Yeah, look, it's you know, I'm really excited about it. 456 00:24:00,933 --> 00:24:06,413 Speaker 4: Such a good man. Deeply care is very experienced, the 457 00:24:06,573 --> 00:24:11,293 Speaker 4: highly respected. I reckon Ardie. He's not a massive talker, 458 00:24:12,053 --> 00:24:16,573 Speaker 4: so he'll lead through his actions and certainly our recent 459 00:24:16,613 --> 00:24:19,133 Speaker 4: time in Corbert, we made him captain for one game 460 00:24:19,213 --> 00:24:23,173 Speaker 4: and just played through the roof, so he'll do a 461 00:24:23,173 --> 00:24:26,333 Speaker 4: good job leading the guys and he'll lead through his actions. 462 00:24:26,693 --> 00:24:29,093 Speaker 2: There we have it there. Any talking about Artie save 463 00:24:29,213 --> 00:24:31,013 Speaker 2: as we touched on at the top, not really a 464 00:24:31,093 --> 00:24:35,653 Speaker 2: huge surprise, but for the people that wanted him to 465 00:24:35,653 --> 00:24:38,333 Speaker 2: be captain two years ago. Now Ardie save has finally 466 00:24:38,333 --> 00:24:42,773 Speaker 2: ascended to that throne on a full time basis, and 467 00:24:43,613 --> 00:24:46,293 Speaker 2: you know the challenges now. Give us a bit of 468 00:24:46,293 --> 00:24:49,093 Speaker 2: that winder pacific a style leadership. He'm not saying he 469 00:24:49,093 --> 00:24:51,773 Speaker 2: hasn't played well in recent times, but we saw what 470 00:24:51,813 --> 00:24:54,013 Speaker 2: he could do as a leader while playing last year. 471 00:24:54,493 --> 00:24:57,093 Speaker 2: More of that for the All Blacks please, Yeah. Absolutely. 472 00:24:57,133 --> 00:25:00,493 Speaker 3: The big takeaway there for me was really talking about 473 00:25:00,613 --> 00:25:03,973 Speaker 3: how he plays as captain and we have seen that, 474 00:25:04,053 --> 00:25:05,973 Speaker 3: as you mentioned with Wuana with the All Blacks when 475 00:25:06,013 --> 00:25:09,253 Speaker 3: he stepped in for Scott Burrett last year. When the 476 00:25:09,333 --> 00:25:14,013 Speaker 3: stakes are high, when the pressure is on, when people 477 00:25:14,053 --> 00:25:17,293 Speaker 3: are looking to him to lead, that's when Ardie tends 478 00:25:17,333 --> 00:25:20,853 Speaker 3: to play his best. So I think the other thing 479 00:25:20,893 --> 00:25:24,573 Speaker 3: with Ardia, I think he is quite high emotional EQ 480 00:25:25,733 --> 00:25:29,133 Speaker 3: and I think he reads people very well. He connects 481 00:25:29,133 --> 00:25:30,813 Speaker 3: with people, and I think he will bring that team 482 00:25:30,853 --> 00:25:34,533 Speaker 3: together and I think it was a bit fractured for 483 00:25:34,653 --> 00:25:37,773 Speaker 3: various reasons, certainly at the back end of last year, 484 00:25:38,373 --> 00:25:40,093 Speaker 3: but it will be important to surround him with good 485 00:25:40,133 --> 00:25:42,533 Speaker 3: people because he is a different style of leader. 486 00:25:42,653 --> 00:25:45,413 Speaker 2: He is and they haven't announced vice captains stay for 487 00:25:45,413 --> 00:25:48,013 Speaker 2: any about that today in the media conference and he said, well, 488 00:25:48,213 --> 00:25:51,053 Speaker 2: you know, we want to build the leadership group and 489 00:25:51,693 --> 00:25:53,493 Speaker 2: you know, maybe they have these discussions in the coming 490 00:25:53,493 --> 00:25:57,853 Speaker 2: week once they gathered together. As of Wednesday, I don't 491 00:25:57,853 --> 00:26:00,653 Speaker 2: know that you need vice captains necessarily. We had Scott 492 00:26:00,653 --> 00:26:04,213 Speaker 2: Barrett having his brother Jordan, and obviously Ardia's vice captains. 493 00:26:05,373 --> 00:26:07,773 Speaker 2: Maybe you have one, but I you know, I've donet 494 00:26:07,773 --> 00:26:10,573 Speaker 2: necessarily think you need vice captains in a test scenario. 495 00:26:10,893 --> 00:26:14,933 Speaker 3: I think you need one strong, clear captain and then 496 00:26:15,133 --> 00:26:16,253 Speaker 3: a support group around them. 497 00:26:16,333 --> 00:26:16,533 Speaker 2: Yeah. 498 00:26:16,653 --> 00:26:18,573 Speaker 3: The other point to note with Ardi is he's just 499 00:26:18,613 --> 00:26:23,653 Speaker 3: played eighteen months straight basically from Wana PACIFICA through to 500 00:26:23,693 --> 00:26:27,413 Speaker 3: the All Blacks straight to Kobe, and there has been 501 00:26:27,533 --> 00:26:30,693 Speaker 3: taught prior to this that he might even set out 502 00:26:30,733 --> 00:26:32,933 Speaker 3: the July Test. I think it's really important that he 503 00:26:33,573 --> 00:26:38,733 Speaker 3: started as captain. But Renny did mention today that he 504 00:26:38,773 --> 00:26:41,093 Speaker 3: will need to be managed, that he may not play 505 00:26:41,333 --> 00:26:44,693 Speaker 3: all the tests. So potentially you're looking at those bledders 506 00:26:44,693 --> 00:26:47,773 Speaker 3: Low games somewhere around there where he may have a spell, 507 00:26:48,493 --> 00:26:51,653 Speaker 3: because otherwise that might come back to bite him, particularly 508 00:26:51,653 --> 00:26:53,453 Speaker 3: with things like the World Cup on the horizon. 509 00:26:53,973 --> 00:26:55,733 Speaker 2: You need to get the sky right through to the 510 00:26:55,733 --> 00:26:58,613 Speaker 2: World Cup France. He could obviously play in christ Church, 511 00:26:58,893 --> 00:27:00,893 Speaker 2: maybe sits out Italy, but comes off the bench against 512 00:27:00,893 --> 00:27:03,133 Speaker 2: Italy and then Ireland and then you know he doesn't 513 00:27:03,133 --> 00:27:05,493 Speaker 2: need to play retour game in South Africa or so. Sure, 514 00:27:05,533 --> 00:27:07,093 Speaker 2: no one will play retols game in So Africa. But 515 00:27:07,093 --> 00:27:09,613 Speaker 2: there are ways throughout the year that you can manager 516 00:27:09,613 --> 00:27:12,413 Speaker 2: in the breaks in between. But yeah, that has been 517 00:27:12,453 --> 00:27:14,813 Speaker 2: the All Black squad for the first three games of 518 00:27:14,813 --> 00:27:18,453 Speaker 2: the year, the Nation's Championship. We'll take a break, come back, 519 00:27:19,253 --> 00:27:23,093 Speaker 2: let's Super Rugby Final. After this, you're back with rugby 520 00:27:23,293 --> 00:27:28,493 Speaker 2: direct time now took the Super Rugby Final. Look a 521 00:27:28,573 --> 00:27:32,493 Speaker 2: compelling performance from the Hurricanes, no two ways about it. 522 00:27:33,293 --> 00:27:37,213 Speaker 2: They drove the Chiefs into the dirt and then some 523 00:27:37,493 --> 00:27:41,013 Speaker 2: at Henry Stadium. This was as good a performance in 524 00:27:41,053 --> 00:27:45,053 Speaker 2: a final I think that you could possibly want from 525 00:27:45,053 --> 00:27:46,693 Speaker 2: a Hurricanes team. 526 00:27:47,293 --> 00:27:47,493 Speaker 1: I was. 527 00:27:47,733 --> 00:27:49,813 Speaker 3: It was magic to witness all leet. The only thing 528 00:27:49,813 --> 00:27:52,173 Speaker 3: better would would be being there. 529 00:27:52,613 --> 00:27:53,453 Speaker 2: I've got to be there. 530 00:27:54,013 --> 00:28:00,893 Speaker 3: You got the witness Champagne footy. There's so many reasons 531 00:28:00,893 --> 00:28:02,973 Speaker 3: that this was so good, Like the weather, for one, 532 00:28:03,133 --> 00:28:06,373 Speaker 3: All right. It was. I think I saw on the television. 533 00:28:06,413 --> 00:28:10,173 Speaker 3: It was sixty two kilometers in our but very gusty, 534 00:28:10,213 --> 00:28:17,093 Speaker 3: extremely difficult, challenging conditions, and the Hurricanes just played ball 535 00:28:17,093 --> 00:28:20,453 Speaker 3: in hand and that worked for them, the link play 536 00:28:20,493 --> 00:28:25,813 Speaker 3: between backs and forwards, their attacking execution. They bullied the 537 00:28:25,893 --> 00:28:29,293 Speaker 3: Chiefs and that was significant because of what the Chiefs 538 00:28:29,293 --> 00:28:32,613 Speaker 3: did the week before to the Crusaders. And when you 539 00:28:32,653 --> 00:28:34,933 Speaker 3: take a step back and look at the Hurricanes' playoff run, 540 00:28:35,173 --> 00:28:38,693 Speaker 3: they wiped the floor with the Brumbies. The Blues actually 541 00:28:38,733 --> 00:28:40,173 Speaker 3: got the closest to them, and then they put the 542 00:28:40,213 --> 00:28:45,693 Speaker 3: biggest loss ever on the Chiefs. That was really humbling, 543 00:28:45,773 --> 00:28:50,053 Speaker 3: embarrassing for the Chiefs on that stage, and it really 544 00:28:50,413 --> 00:28:53,613 Speaker 3: started with Damien McKenzie's performance in that first half. 545 00:28:54,013 --> 00:28:58,853 Speaker 2: It did, and his kicking was all over the show. Yes, 546 00:28:58,893 --> 00:29:02,133 Speaker 2: he was playing into a breeze and I think sounds 547 00:29:02,173 --> 00:29:05,173 Speaker 2: like Lou Jacobson picked the toss wrong when he won 548 00:29:05,213 --> 00:29:07,693 Speaker 2: the toss in terms of deciding which way to go. 549 00:29:07,693 --> 00:29:10,013 Speaker 2: He thought he was played, you know, with the breeze 550 00:29:10,013 --> 00:29:13,373 Speaker 2: at their backs in the first half. They weren't. But 551 00:29:13,493 --> 00:29:16,973 Speaker 2: the kicking was all askew and what you can probably 552 00:29:17,013 --> 00:29:19,533 Speaker 2: forgive one or two eras in that sort of wind. 553 00:29:19,573 --> 00:29:21,453 Speaker 2: You know, McKenzie kicks it and it goes back six 554 00:29:21,533 --> 00:29:24,013 Speaker 2: seven meters on the first one. But he didn't learn 555 00:29:24,733 --> 00:29:27,973 Speaker 2: from the way that the game was being played out 556 00:29:28,013 --> 00:29:30,213 Speaker 2: in front of his eyes. He didn't change his tactics. 557 00:29:30,213 --> 00:29:32,293 Speaker 2: The Chiefs as a hold and change of tactics, but 558 00:29:32,493 --> 00:29:34,853 Speaker 2: your game driver at ten did not change their tactics. 559 00:29:35,253 --> 00:29:38,533 Speaker 3: He kicked two restarts dead, one went short, He mistouched 560 00:29:38,533 --> 00:29:44,293 Speaker 3: from penalties, got charged down, dropped a ball. I can't 561 00:29:44,373 --> 00:29:48,373 Speaker 3: see how he can start at number ten for the 562 00:29:48,413 --> 00:29:50,693 Speaker 3: All Blacks after that performance. There's only one performance, and 563 00:29:51,133 --> 00:29:54,973 Speaker 3: he played well throughout the year, but just head to 564 00:29:55,013 --> 00:29:58,333 Speaker 3: hear between him and Ruben Love, it's not necessarily a 565 00:29:58,333 --> 00:30:02,613 Speaker 3: fair comparison in terms of the platforms. But those were 566 00:30:02,653 --> 00:30:05,613 Speaker 3: individual errors from McKenzie and he did, as you say, 567 00:30:05,693 --> 00:30:08,333 Speaker 3: did not adapt, and there's got to be some massive 568 00:30:08,413 --> 00:30:12,253 Speaker 3: mental demons for him for the Chiefs after four straight 569 00:30:12,333 --> 00:30:16,893 Speaker 3: lost finals now and yeah, bloody sweet for the Canes 570 00:30:16,933 --> 00:30:19,373 Speaker 3: tench ten years a long time. I think they did 571 00:30:19,373 --> 00:30:22,093 Speaker 3: it really well building that squad, but also bring in 572 00:30:22,133 --> 00:30:24,413 Speaker 3: a lot of old boys like Dane Coles was heavily 573 00:30:24,453 --> 00:30:27,333 Speaker 3: involved Christian Cullen, so they got the mix of that 574 00:30:27,373 --> 00:30:28,013 Speaker 3: really were. 575 00:30:28,093 --> 00:30:30,333 Speaker 2: Yeah, they did, and they'll have been the form team 576 00:30:30,333 --> 00:30:34,373 Speaker 2: all season and well deserving of their win. You know, 577 00:30:34,573 --> 00:30:37,213 Speaker 2: they just managed even though though clearly the bit of team, 578 00:30:37,293 --> 00:30:39,413 Speaker 2: they just managed the final the thought really really well. 579 00:30:39,733 --> 00:30:41,653 Speaker 2: You know, they got out to twenty six nil, took 580 00:30:41,653 --> 00:30:44,133 Speaker 2: the penalty before half time to get out beyond four 581 00:30:44,173 --> 00:30:47,653 Speaker 2: converted tries, and then after half time you know, I 582 00:30:47,653 --> 00:30:49,093 Speaker 2: think John A. Gibbs said on the night, you know, 583 00:30:49,093 --> 00:30:51,213 Speaker 2: if we got to twenty eight seven after halftime, maybe 584 00:30:51,213 --> 00:30:54,533 Speaker 2: this is just a fraction of jar. They couldn't and 585 00:30:54,733 --> 00:30:56,253 Speaker 2: they kept piling on the points and it was very 586 00:30:56,333 --> 00:30:59,013 Speaker 2: very loud in the contest that the Chiefs did get 587 00:30:59,013 --> 00:31:00,693 Speaker 2: over and it felt like, you know, at one point, 588 00:31:00,773 --> 00:31:03,213 Speaker 2: you know that you're playing Jonoloma rugby. If you made 589 00:31:03,213 --> 00:31:07,093 Speaker 2: and you've got the dodgy knockoff controller that came from 590 00:31:07,133 --> 00:31:10,573 Speaker 2: five dollars from the warehouse, he's playing with the legitimate 591 00:31:10,613 --> 00:31:14,173 Speaker 2: controller and yours is about a fraction a second slower, 592 00:31:14,173 --> 00:31:15,933 Speaker 2: and you're trying to play but you can't you can't 593 00:31:15,973 --> 00:31:19,733 Speaker 2: do anything about it. And the Chiefs were just you know, 594 00:31:19,813 --> 00:31:22,533 Speaker 2: unable to stop what this Hurricanes wall in front. 595 00:31:22,333 --> 00:31:25,133 Speaker 3: Of them, that's right, And you thought, yeah, okay, the 596 00:31:25,173 --> 00:31:27,933 Speaker 3: second half, the Chiefs are going to come out, They're 597 00:31:27,933 --> 00:31:30,093 Speaker 3: going to have the wind at their backs. They'll build 598 00:31:30,093 --> 00:31:32,093 Speaker 3: a bit of momentum and just get some sort of 599 00:31:32,133 --> 00:31:34,413 Speaker 3: foothold in the game. But it just never happened that 600 00:31:34,493 --> 00:31:37,893 Speaker 3: they couldn't get anything going. They were shell shock rattled 601 00:31:39,013 --> 00:31:42,133 Speaker 3: and yeah they had a few injuries. Yes, the Canes 602 00:31:42,133 --> 00:31:45,493 Speaker 3: probably were more of fai with those conditions, but you 603 00:31:45,533 --> 00:31:48,013 Speaker 3: still have to put it together on the night. So 604 00:31:49,253 --> 00:31:50,213 Speaker 3: what a performance. 605 00:31:50,293 --> 00:31:52,693 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to analyze because it wasn't I. 606 00:31:52,733 --> 00:31:57,013 Speaker 3: Don't think anyone any I don't know, right, you put 607 00:31:57,053 --> 00:32:01,693 Speaker 3: them against Bordeaux to lose Northampton maybe, but on that night, 608 00:32:01,853 --> 00:32:04,773 Speaker 3: particular night, in those conditions, the way they played, I 609 00:32:04,773 --> 00:32:06,173 Speaker 3: don't think anyone stopping Hurricanes. 610 00:32:06,293 --> 00:32:08,173 Speaker 2: No, it's really hard to analyze, isn't it. Sort Of 611 00:32:08,413 --> 00:32:09,653 Speaker 2: it's like when the All Blacks, you know, go and 612 00:32:09,693 --> 00:32:11,853 Speaker 2: torch somebody to World Cup and obviously they said highest 613 00:32:11,853 --> 00:32:14,373 Speaker 2: stakes in terms of a Super Rugby final, but there's 614 00:32:14,373 --> 00:32:16,773 Speaker 2: really little analyzed because the Chiefs were just never, never 615 00:32:16,813 --> 00:32:20,653 Speaker 2: in the contest. And you mentioned you know, four straight 616 00:32:20,693 --> 00:32:23,733 Speaker 2: final defeats and they're lost in varying ways. Got bulted 617 00:32:23,733 --> 00:32:26,493 Speaker 2: by the Blues in twenty four either side, they got 618 00:32:26,493 --> 00:32:30,813 Speaker 2: beaten and really tight of fears by the Crusaders. But 619 00:32:30,933 --> 00:32:33,533 Speaker 2: this will sting probably the most out of the four 620 00:32:33,933 --> 00:32:36,893 Speaker 2: and off the back of beating the Crusaders and humbling 621 00:32:36,893 --> 00:32:41,373 Speaker 2: them the week before. This will live long in the 622 00:32:41,413 --> 00:32:44,053 Speaker 2: craw for the Chiefs and I don't know where they 623 00:32:44,093 --> 00:32:46,253 Speaker 2: go to from now, because yes they made the final 624 00:32:46,453 --> 00:32:49,493 Speaker 2: on four separate occasions, but that was the furthest away 625 00:32:49,493 --> 00:32:51,173 Speaker 2: from winning it. And look they've had the same sort 626 00:32:51,173 --> 00:32:53,493 Speaker 2: of Johnny Gibbs is new to the head coaching role, 627 00:32:53,533 --> 00:32:55,573 Speaker 2: but he's been around. They're set up for a season 628 00:32:55,653 --> 00:32:57,853 Speaker 2: or two now. You know, Roger Randa has been their 629 00:32:57,853 --> 00:32:59,733 Speaker 2: attack coach for a few seasons. A lot of the 630 00:32:59,813 --> 00:33:03,133 Speaker 2: names have been there for a few years now. Maybe 631 00:33:03,173 --> 00:33:05,173 Speaker 2: it requires some fresh thinking. I don't know. 632 00:33:05,813 --> 00:33:09,373 Speaker 3: You don't get over there ever. I saw Stephen Donald 633 00:33:09,853 --> 00:33:12,093 Speaker 3: in the build up to that game talking about how 634 00:33:12,133 --> 00:33:16,773 Speaker 3: he relives the one final that he played in against 635 00:33:16,813 --> 00:33:19,053 Speaker 3: when the Chiefs got smacked by the balls in South Africa. 636 00:33:19,773 --> 00:33:23,813 Speaker 3: And it's not daily anymore, but it's still ever present 637 00:33:24,133 --> 00:33:26,933 Speaker 3: and that sort of result you just don't get over. 638 00:33:27,013 --> 00:33:30,933 Speaker 3: And on the flip side, it was imperative that the 639 00:33:30,973 --> 00:33:34,333 Speaker 3: Caine sees that opportunity because they are losing some massive weapons. 640 00:33:34,933 --> 00:33:40,573 Speaker 3: Warner Durns he would probably go close to MVP for 641 00:33:40,653 --> 00:33:44,493 Speaker 3: the year. I say a wakle. I think there's at 642 00:33:44,573 --> 00:33:48,653 Speaker 3: least ten players leavings along with Jason Holland, so there's 643 00:33:48,693 --> 00:33:50,653 Speaker 3: going to be some big turnover in a team where 644 00:33:51,173 --> 00:33:54,813 Speaker 3: continuity of that squad was the backbone. I think the 645 00:33:55,253 --> 00:33:57,693 Speaker 3: Hurricanes also prove they had by far and away the 646 00:33:57,733 --> 00:34:01,613 Speaker 3: best coaching team, and I think we will see a 647 00:34:01,653 --> 00:34:05,173 Speaker 3: lot more of guys like Jamie McIntosh and Corey Jane 648 00:34:05,253 --> 00:34:08,333 Speaker 3: in particular, and Clark Laidlaw. He's recommitted to the Hurricane 649 00:34:08,533 --> 00:34:10,973 Speaker 3: for next year. But beyond the World Cup, you'd have 650 00:34:11,013 --> 00:34:13,413 Speaker 3: to think that Scotland come knocking, you'd have to think. 651 00:34:13,453 --> 00:34:16,613 Speaker 2: So I was gonna ask you whether the chances of 652 00:34:16,733 --> 00:34:20,813 Speaker 2: Hurricanes dynasty here, but I think with the players leaving, look, 653 00:34:20,813 --> 00:34:23,133 Speaker 2: they'll be there or there about some sure, because they've 654 00:34:23,133 --> 00:34:26,933 Speaker 2: got regard and love, they've got Barrett, they've got you know, 655 00:34:27,293 --> 00:34:29,493 Speaker 2: perhaps they've got do know they've got more, but you 656 00:34:29,573 --> 00:34:31,693 Speaker 2: know they've got a lot of the back line sticking around, 657 00:34:31,733 --> 00:34:36,333 Speaker 2: but it's the forwards like Flanders leaving, Walkerlea, Whdi leaving 658 00:34:36,373 --> 00:34:39,093 Speaker 2: and Dunes obviously, as he touched on, So whether they 659 00:34:39,093 --> 00:34:41,573 Speaker 2: can replace those players with light for like or even 660 00:34:41,893 --> 00:34:44,133 Speaker 2: near light for like, probably not. 661 00:34:45,253 --> 00:34:48,533 Speaker 3: I think they're still definitely the team to beat, but 662 00:34:48,613 --> 00:34:51,733 Speaker 3: lock's probably the only the main concern. I think most 663 00:34:51,773 --> 00:34:53,973 Speaker 3: of those other areas they have great depth. You think 664 00:34:53,973 --> 00:34:59,453 Speaker 3: about Braden Yosse, Brad Shields are still there, pretty good 665 00:34:59,533 --> 00:35:02,773 Speaker 3: depth across the board, but lock is generally quite thin 666 00:35:03,013 --> 00:35:06,333 Speaker 3: within New Zealand rugby. Even the All Blacks depth has 667 00:35:06,373 --> 00:35:09,413 Speaker 3: been tested currently when Scott Barron Fabian Holland are out 668 00:35:09,413 --> 00:35:13,413 Speaker 3: and then you're starting to dig pretty deep. So I 669 00:35:13,413 --> 00:35:16,693 Speaker 3: think the Hurricanes could struggle to find some locks and 670 00:35:16,733 --> 00:35:19,653 Speaker 3: that potentially undermines one of their strengths, one of their 671 00:35:19,693 --> 00:35:22,053 Speaker 3: massive improvements this year, which was their Type five, their 672 00:35:22,093 --> 00:35:27,373 Speaker 3: set piece. So that's an area of concern, But elsewhere 673 00:35:27,453 --> 00:35:29,933 Speaker 3: I don't have great concerns. 674 00:35:30,173 --> 00:35:31,493 Speaker 2: I'm going to put you on the spot here, give 675 00:35:31,533 --> 00:35:35,013 Speaker 2: me you three two ones. I assume they are all Hurricanes. 676 00:35:35,773 --> 00:35:39,373 Speaker 3: Ruben Love that was a master class performance goal kicking, 677 00:35:40,173 --> 00:35:44,293 Speaker 3: tactically triassists that the tray scored in the corner. That 678 00:35:44,373 --> 00:35:46,853 Speaker 3: was brilliant. Jordi Barrett, that was his best game of 679 00:35:46,853 --> 00:35:49,053 Speaker 3: the year, saved his best till last really stepped up. 680 00:35:49,533 --> 00:35:51,653 Speaker 3: It was interesting to note that was his one hundred 681 00:35:51,653 --> 00:35:53,733 Speaker 3: and twenty fifth game for the Hurricanes. He's waited that 682 00:35:53,813 --> 00:35:57,293 Speaker 3: long for a title. And one point to Peter Luckeye, 683 00:35:57,813 --> 00:35:59,373 Speaker 3: he was brilliant as well. 684 00:35:59,573 --> 00:36:03,253 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to give three to Jordi Barrett. I 685 00:36:03,253 --> 00:36:04,733 Speaker 2: think it was probably a toss up between him and 686 00:36:04,773 --> 00:36:07,493 Speaker 2: Ruben Love, but being in terms of the MVP midle, 687 00:36:07,493 --> 00:36:09,853 Speaker 2: which Love did get for the game, Love gets my 688 00:36:09,933 --> 00:36:12,533 Speaker 2: two and and I was sourcing up between Roy Garden 689 00:36:12,493 --> 00:36:14,253 Speaker 2: and Luckeye. But I'm gonna be a Roy go because 690 00:36:14,253 --> 00:36:17,133 Speaker 2: you went like But that means that for here, finneng 691 00:36:17,733 --> 00:36:21,453 Speaker 2: is our Rugby direct MVP middle for twenty twenty six. Congratulations. 692 00:36:21,453 --> 00:36:24,053 Speaker 2: Fee should have actually brought a middle down to Paris North. 693 00:36:24,053 --> 00:36:25,773 Speaker 2: I mean it would have been as just just as 694 00:36:25,813 --> 00:36:27,533 Speaker 2: much as an All Black selection. I'm sure for FEI, 695 00:36:27,773 --> 00:36:32,373 Speaker 2: but go the base winning. Yeah. Producer Mark Kelly, Rugby 696 00:36:32,413 --> 00:36:33,853 Speaker 2: directs middle goes to. 697 00:36:34,853 --> 00:36:36,573 Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, he's an All Black call up. 698 00:36:36,613 --> 00:36:37,893 Speaker 3: But I think that'll that'll top. 699 00:36:37,773 --> 00:36:40,293 Speaker 2: It feels like it, doesn't it. That feels like it. Liam, 700 00:36:40,333 --> 00:36:42,773 Speaker 2: thank you as always for joining us on Rugby Direct. 701 00:36:42,813 --> 00:36:43,973 Speaker 2: We're going to take the rest of the week off. 702 00:36:44,013 --> 00:36:46,253 Speaker 2: We'll be back next week though, as we get into 703 00:36:46,773 --> 00:36:49,253 Speaker 2: Test Week, the first test week of the year, the 704 00:36:49,253 --> 00:36:51,453 Speaker 2: All Black's building out to play fronts and christ Treots 705 00:36:51,493 --> 00:36:52,653 Speaker 2: look forward to catching it. 706 00:36:52,693 --> 00:36:57,253 Speaker 3: The indeed and just shout out to Fielding Yellows today 707 00:36:57,853 --> 00:37:01,613 Speaker 3: great great Wi Burgers great, just great to get back 708 00:37:01,653 --> 00:37:03,293 Speaker 3: to grassroots footy and. 709 00:37:03,453 --> 00:37:06,013 Speaker 2: You shout Ashley as well actually from the club who 710 00:37:06,493 --> 00:37:08,453 Speaker 2: came over and see gooday and took a photo and 711 00:37:08,813 --> 00:37:10,533 Speaker 2: city was a fan of the podcast, so great to 712 00:37:10,573 --> 00:37:12,533 Speaker 2: catch up with him and also Patti Gao also a 713 00:37:12,533 --> 00:37:14,733 Speaker 2: big fan of the Podcast's right. Good to catch up 714 00:37:14,773 --> 00:37:16,653 Speaker 2: with you both, and we will catch you next week 715 00:37:16,693 --> 00:37:20,013 Speaker 2: on Rugby Director. Thanks to Mark Kelly for producing We'll 716 00:37:20,053 --> 00:37:20,693 Speaker 2: see you next time. 717 00:37:21,333 --> 00:37:23,973 Speaker 1: For more from News Talks ed B listen live on 718 00:37:24,053 --> 00:37:27,013 Speaker 1: air or online and keep our shows with you wherever 719 00:37:27,093 --> 00:37:29,653 Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio