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Speaker 1: Now, Unfortunately it's not sounding very good for New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: On the issue of the infant formula. New Zealand and

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Speaker 1: Australian ministers met today to try to figure out whether

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Speaker 1: they wanted to accept new regulations for infant formula. We

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Speaker 1: are yet to hear officially what happened, but it's understood

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Speaker 1: Australian ministers voted to adopt the rule changes with me

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Speaker 1: now as Jonathan Chew from the Infant Nutrition Council. Hey, Jonathan,

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Speaker 1: how are you going? I'm very well, thank you. What

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Speaker 1: have you heard?

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Speaker 2: I've heard the same thing. We're waiting for the official

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Speaker 2: communicator come out. But my understanding is the New Zealand minister,

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Speaker 2: Minister Hogar did what he said he was going to do.

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Speaker 2: He asked for a review that was rejected by the

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Speaker 2: Australian ministers. So my understanding he has announced that New

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Speaker 2: Zealand will seek its own modification for the relevant standards right.

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Speaker 1: And does that mean that we will we will be

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Speaker 1: able to do our own thing or not.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's my understanding that New Zealand will exercise its

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Speaker 2: right to seek its own modification for the standards relating

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Speaker 2: to the labeling issue. That we've been talking about, and

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Speaker 2: possibly the restriction on sales for the low risk medical

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Speaker 2: purpose products as well.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so from your understanding, absolutely can opt out of

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Speaker 1: the white labeling, which is where ever can has to

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Speaker 1: look the same. But you're not sounding quite as confident

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Speaker 1: about the sale and the supermarkets.

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Speaker 2: Why not, only because we haven't had the official word yet.

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Speaker 2: It's certainly open to the New Zealand government to opt

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Speaker 2: out of both, and are really just waiting to see

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Speaker 2: what the Communicat says and waiting for the Minister to

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Speaker 2: let us know what the direction the New Zealand government's

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Speaker 2: going to take. But they certainly have the option to

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Speaker 2: do both.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so problem solve, right, we're unaffected.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm hoping that's the outcome again. You know, New

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Speaker 2: Zealand's sovereign country has the ability to do its own

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Speaker 2: standards if it notifies the Zans it's not happy with

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Speaker 2: the proposal as is. And the government stood up and

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Speaker 2: said that's what we were going to do. And we

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Speaker 2: welcome the fact that they listened to industry and took

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Speaker 2: our ferns seriously and tried to get the reviews. And

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Speaker 2: because they were unsuccessful in convincing. The Australians are now

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Speaker 2: looking to go their own way.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now, Jonathan, does this have any impact on us

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Speaker 1: in terms of our product on Australians Australians supermarket shelves.

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Speaker 2: Again, there's a little bit of devil in the detail.

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Speaker 2: But my understanding news under the TTMRA agreement, if the

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Speaker 2: New Zealand product is manufactured in New Zealand for sale

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand, then it can be exported to Australia

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Speaker 2: as is. It doesn't need to have further modifications.

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Speaker 1: Why are the Australians going along with something as patently

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Speaker 1: stupid as this.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I think that there's an understanding or a belief

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Speaker 2: with some Australian ministers and officials that in order to

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Speaker 2: protect breastfeeding you have to make formula feeding as complicated

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Speaker 2: or as unappealing as possible. We say that you can

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Speaker 2: protect and promote breastfeeding by helping women who want and

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Speaker 2: can breast speed have to have, you know, whatever barriers

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Speaker 2: that are stopping and removed without creating complications and confusion

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Speaker 2: for parents who have to rely on formula.

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Speaker 1: Jonathan, thank you very much for talking us through. It's

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Speaker 1: Jonathan chew the Infant Nutritional Council. Well, if the Australians

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Speaker 1: want to go down this wacky path, good, all power

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Speaker 1: to them and hopefully we hold out forever on it.

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