1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,427 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport Podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,747 Speaker 1: from News Talk ZEDB. 3 00:00:12,587 --> 00:00:14,587 Speaker 2: Monday afternoons, we get the pleasure of the company of 4 00:00:14,707 --> 00:00:15,747 Speaker 2: James mconey. 5 00:00:15,827 --> 00:00:19,987 Speaker 3: How are you, mate, Kilder Piney, how are you? Wow? 6 00:00:20,107 --> 00:00:22,867 Speaker 3: It's been an amazing twenty four hours in sport. 7 00:00:23,267 --> 00:00:25,747 Speaker 2: Yes, they say a day is a long time and 8 00:00:26,227 --> 00:00:28,467 Speaker 2: politics don't they ll do that. I'm not sure I've 9 00:00:28,507 --> 00:00:30,507 Speaker 2: just said it, but in sport it certainly is. You 10 00:00:30,547 --> 00:00:31,827 Speaker 2: want to get to the football at a minute, But 11 00:00:31,827 --> 00:00:34,387 Speaker 2: can we start with what happened in Dunedin last night? 12 00:00:34,387 --> 00:00:36,707 Speaker 2: I thought the Highlanders gave a pretty good account of themselves. 13 00:00:37,507 --> 00:00:39,907 Speaker 2: But the Chiefs two from two to start Super Rugby. 14 00:00:39,987 --> 00:00:41,707 Speaker 2: It's your year, clearly. 15 00:00:42,507 --> 00:00:47,587 Speaker 3: The Chiefs the suffocators. So many kicks Piney, thirty six 16 00:00:47,707 --> 00:00:50,787 Speaker 3: kicks in play from the Chiefs and thirty four from 17 00:00:50,787 --> 00:00:52,547 Speaker 3: the Highlanders, and though I feel like the Hunters had 18 00:00:52,547 --> 00:00:55,227 Speaker 3: a few more attacking kicks. You know the cross kick 19 00:00:55,307 --> 00:00:58,147 Speaker 3: that almost led to a try which actually ended up 20 00:00:58,147 --> 00:01:01,627 Speaker 3: being a try down the other end after a questionable 21 00:01:01,667 --> 00:01:05,187 Speaker 3: little dropout from Quintupire, but hey it was deemed legal. 22 00:01:05,747 --> 00:01:08,787 Speaker 3: And then Lee or Akartera runs the length of the field. 23 00:01:08,987 --> 00:01:11,147 Speaker 3: But it just goes to show these derby games is 24 00:01:11,187 --> 00:01:13,587 Speaker 3: nothing in it. And really, I think the Highlanders almost 25 00:01:13,587 --> 00:01:15,867 Speaker 3: came away feeling like we should have had that. 26 00:01:16,187 --> 00:01:18,187 Speaker 2: Yeah, well they had Noriki and the bin didn't they 27 00:01:18,267 --> 00:01:20,667 Speaker 2: for ten minutes early in the second half and the 28 00:01:20,947 --> 00:01:23,147 Speaker 2: chief scored a try. They also stole a line out 29 00:01:23,147 --> 00:01:25,227 Speaker 2: and scored a try. It's almost like those moments. I 30 00:01:25,227 --> 00:01:28,187 Speaker 2: think they call them championship moments. Maybe the Chiefs have 31 00:01:28,387 --> 00:01:31,787 Speaker 2: just more experience at winning moments within a game of rugby, 32 00:01:31,867 --> 00:01:33,027 Speaker 2: more so than the Highlanders do. 33 00:01:33,747 --> 00:01:36,627 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's strange because I mean, we all enjoyed the 34 00:01:36,667 --> 00:01:39,507 Speaker 3: great moments from the speechsters. I mentioned le or Akarda, 35 00:01:39,547 --> 00:01:43,427 Speaker 3: but Caleb Tangytower, Oh my goodness, he must so quick 36 00:01:44,827 --> 00:01:46,147 Speaker 3: and so we know he's going to be in the 37 00:01:46,187 --> 00:01:48,627 Speaker 3: old Leaks. Jamie Joseph or Dave Rennie is definitely going 38 00:01:48,707 --> 00:01:52,027 Speaker 3: to pick him. But how about someone like T. K. Howden, 39 00:01:52,467 --> 00:01:54,947 Speaker 3: who in the past two games has really been impressive 40 00:01:54,987 --> 00:01:57,747 Speaker 3: and last night topped the tackle count. He also had 41 00:01:57,787 --> 00:02:01,707 Speaker 3: most carries with fifteen, And I wonder whether if Jamie 42 00:02:01,787 --> 00:02:04,467 Speaker 3: is coach, is it too early to call a bolter pony? 43 00:02:04,587 --> 00:02:07,107 Speaker 2: I don't think sold no at all. I think we 44 00:02:07,107 --> 00:02:09,107 Speaker 2: could call them whenever we like, even if we don't 45 00:02:09,107 --> 00:02:12,427 Speaker 2: have a coach head. And the invigorating thing I think 46 00:02:12,427 --> 00:02:15,027 Speaker 2: for everybody in super rugby, regardless of whether you've been 47 00:02:15,067 --> 00:02:17,227 Speaker 2: in All Black, are an All Black, or want to 48 00:02:17,227 --> 00:02:19,067 Speaker 2: be an All Black, is that we don't know who 49 00:02:19,147 --> 00:02:20,627 Speaker 2: the coach is going to be. You don't know who 50 00:02:20,627 --> 00:02:22,867 Speaker 2: you're trying to impress. So you just go at there 51 00:02:22,947 --> 00:02:25,067 Speaker 2: and try and play as well as you can every week, 52 00:02:25,107 --> 00:02:25,427 Speaker 2: don't you. 53 00:02:25,987 --> 00:02:31,427 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly? And to come Howlden from a fielding remember 54 00:02:31,427 --> 00:02:34,427 Speaker 3: the name, put it down and record that, please Andy, 55 00:02:34,547 --> 00:02:37,427 Speaker 3: because I think that he could be an All Black. 56 00:02:37,427 --> 00:02:40,707 Speaker 3: But also what a shame for Fehi fineanng and North 57 00:02:40,747 --> 00:02:43,667 Speaker 3: for the winger, the left winger for the Hurricanes who 58 00:02:43,667 --> 00:02:46,707 Speaker 3: has signed to the Newcastle Red Bulls. He looks every 59 00:02:46,707 --> 00:02:48,907 Speaker 3: bit in All black and he is leaving at the 60 00:02:48,987 --> 00:02:49,627 Speaker 3: end of the season. 61 00:02:49,707 --> 00:02:53,027 Speaker 2: Yeah. I heard from Clark Label after that game, the 62 00:02:53,107 --> 00:02:55,227 Speaker 2: Hurricanes coach, and he said, yes, he's got a couple 63 00:02:55,227 --> 00:02:56,627 Speaker 2: of tries and he should have had that third one. 64 00:02:56,627 --> 00:02:58,507 Speaker 2: What's he doing passing to his mate when he's in 65 00:02:58,547 --> 00:03:00,507 Speaker 2: the end goal area anyway, that's a different story. But 66 00:03:00,547 --> 00:03:02,427 Speaker 2: he said, what you don't notice, or maybe what you 67 00:03:02,467 --> 00:03:05,067 Speaker 2: do if you're watching more closely, is fingang and all 68 00:03:05,107 --> 00:03:08,907 Speaker 2: fall's defensive and the variety the kicks ahead with ball 69 00:03:08,947 --> 00:03:10,947 Speaker 2: in hand, things like that. He still dropped a couple 70 00:03:11,027 --> 00:03:12,907 Speaker 2: and you know he's still a young winger. But yeah, 71 00:03:12,907 --> 00:03:15,107 Speaker 2: he's he's far from the finished product, but he's looking 72 00:03:15,107 --> 00:03:15,587 Speaker 2: pretty good. 73 00:03:16,067 --> 00:03:19,787 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And you look at Lera Carter's trajectory. Yes, 74 00:03:19,867 --> 00:03:23,267 Speaker 3: played in sevens, took his time to get used to 75 00:03:23,307 --> 00:03:25,427 Speaker 3: the next level, and then suddenly he's an All Black. 76 00:03:25,507 --> 00:03:28,107 Speaker 3: So we may never know for Finniana and R four 77 00:03:28,267 --> 00:03:29,267 Speaker 3: and he's off. 78 00:03:29,987 --> 00:03:32,387 Speaker 2: Dave Rennie Jamie Joseph two horse race for the All 79 00:03:32,387 --> 00:03:35,627 Speaker 2: Blacks coaching job, read lem Nape during the week telling 80 00:03:35,667 --> 00:03:37,387 Speaker 2: us that it's likely to be the middle of next 81 00:03:37,427 --> 00:03:39,947 Speaker 2: month before we have a decision. If this is a 82 00:03:39,947 --> 00:03:42,147 Speaker 2: two horse race, who's got their nose in front at. 83 00:03:42,027 --> 00:03:45,067 Speaker 3: The moment, it's Jamie Joe as they call him. I 84 00:03:45,107 --> 00:03:48,867 Speaker 3: think that he's the one who's got the I guess 85 00:03:48,507 --> 00:03:53,707 Speaker 3: the momentum. And look, the Highlands are playing a pretty 86 00:03:53,707 --> 00:03:55,867 Speaker 3: good brand of rugby. He does look like, you know, 87 00:03:55,947 --> 00:03:59,587 Speaker 3: with a few injuries and that team he still competes 88 00:03:59,907 --> 00:04:02,987 Speaker 3: really really well. I think Jamie Joseph unless Dave Rennie 89 00:04:02,987 --> 00:04:07,107 Speaker 3: can really impress the panel in that interview situation. Look, 90 00:04:07,147 --> 00:04:10,107 Speaker 3: I don't think there's much difference between them. I think 91 00:04:10,107 --> 00:04:13,867 Speaker 3: they're super record, super rugby record. I think Renie slightly ahead, 92 00:04:14,107 --> 00:04:17,547 Speaker 3: Test record, Jamie slightly ahead. And but of course you 93 00:04:17,547 --> 00:04:19,947 Speaker 3: know Dave Rennie did did have that Test match for 94 00:04:19,987 --> 00:04:23,947 Speaker 3: the Wallabies where the French referee said you must play, 95 00:04:24,027 --> 00:04:26,547 Speaker 3: you must play, and then suddenly the cost them the 96 00:04:26,627 --> 00:04:29,387 Speaker 3: Test match, so that goes against them. So I think 97 00:04:29,387 --> 00:04:30,347 Speaker 3: it's Jamie Joseph. 98 00:04:30,787 --> 00:04:32,707 Speaker 2: All right, let's move to football. We've had a lot 99 00:04:32,747 --> 00:04:35,747 Speaker 2: of chat on the show this afternoon about gian Callo Ataliano, 100 00:04:35,827 --> 00:04:39,747 Speaker 2: his resignation, a sixth straight derby win for Auckland FC 101 00:04:39,867 --> 00:04:42,747 Speaker 2: over a Wellington Phoenix the last straw. What do you 102 00:04:42,787 --> 00:04:44,467 Speaker 2: take out of yesterday and what do you predict for 103 00:04:44,507 --> 00:04:46,827 Speaker 2: the future of not only Wellington Phoenix, but I guess 104 00:04:46,827 --> 00:04:49,067 Speaker 2: an Auckland f C side, who are now you know, 105 00:04:49,147 --> 00:04:51,027 Speaker 2: back in charge of their own destiny as they look 106 00:04:51,067 --> 00:04:53,267 Speaker 2: for another Premier's played well. 107 00:04:53,307 --> 00:04:55,707 Speaker 3: I thought it was going to be an epic Derby 108 00:04:56,467 --> 00:04:58,947 Speaker 3: yesterday and then it just turned to be turned out 109 00:04:58,947 --> 00:05:04,027 Speaker 3: to be an absolute capitulation. Poor old calamity Josh Josh 110 00:05:04,027 --> 00:05:08,387 Speaker 3: olaway yemu ohaway Yemi in the in goal their own goal. 111 00:05:08,467 --> 00:05:10,827 Speaker 3: I think you said, poney, how many views as it had? 112 00:05:10,947 --> 00:05:13,707 Speaker 2: I had checked this morning. It's over a million views 113 00:05:13,907 --> 00:05:15,867 Speaker 2: around the world. Now it's the kind of thing that yeah, 114 00:05:15,867 --> 00:05:18,027 Speaker 2: I think they woke up in the Northern Hemisphere last 115 00:05:18,107 --> 00:05:21,387 Speaker 2: night out time and some pretty big social media accounts 116 00:05:21,747 --> 00:05:25,387 Speaker 2: with over a million followers have been have been reposting it, 117 00:05:25,547 --> 00:05:27,747 Speaker 2: so yeah, there wouldn't be too many football fans around 118 00:05:27,787 --> 00:05:28,827 Speaker 2: the world. Now I haven't seen this. 119 00:05:29,347 --> 00:05:31,907 Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing. I just think it's so gutting 120 00:05:31,907 --> 00:05:35,067 Speaker 3: for the Phoenix Faithful and really they're better than that. 121 00:05:35,267 --> 00:05:37,307 Speaker 3: And I thought with the likes of Bill too Low, 122 00:05:37,387 --> 00:05:39,867 Speaker 3: my comingham and bolstering the team, that would have been 123 00:05:39,867 --> 00:05:44,507 Speaker 3: a better showing. But just on Josh, he should have 124 00:05:44,507 --> 00:05:47,147 Speaker 3: been subbed immediately after that goal. I know it's harsh 125 00:05:47,227 --> 00:05:51,067 Speaker 3: and you don't want to see people, you know, I guess, belittle, 126 00:05:51,147 --> 00:05:53,107 Speaker 3: but I just think it through him too much. And 127 00:05:54,547 --> 00:05:57,187 Speaker 3: I'm not saying that would stemmed the floodgates, but sometimes 128 00:05:57,187 --> 00:05:59,707 Speaker 3: it just has to happen. And now, like you said, 129 00:06:00,067 --> 00:06:03,867 Speaker 3: I think we were saying before this call, people need 130 00:06:04,187 --> 00:06:06,267 Speaker 3: to look after Josh because it's going to be so 131 00:06:06,467 --> 00:06:09,467 Speaker 3: tough for him to bounce back from that. But onto 132 00:06:09,547 --> 00:06:14,627 Speaker 3: chief Chiefy Giancarlo Italiana. I hardly ever say his name. 133 00:06:14,947 --> 00:06:16,947 Speaker 3: You have to because you're a commentator, poney, But I'll 134 00:06:16,987 --> 00:06:18,947 Speaker 3: tell you what I thought that he was a bit 135 00:06:18,947 --> 00:06:21,387 Speaker 3: of a genius coming and playing a really cool brand 136 00:06:21,387 --> 00:06:24,027 Speaker 3: of football. It's sad. I just think that for him 137 00:06:24,067 --> 00:06:26,907 Speaker 3: being over here feeling that isolation when you can't get 138 00:06:26,907 --> 00:06:29,987 Speaker 3: it done and the derby, I think he's got great ideas. Yes, 139 00:06:30,067 --> 00:06:32,387 Speaker 3: the high press is weird. When there's a high press 140 00:06:32,427 --> 00:06:35,467 Speaker 3: become flimsy defense. It's a big question, but I think 141 00:06:35,507 --> 00:06:38,827 Speaker 3: he will, like a phoenix, rise again and coach at 142 00:06:38,867 --> 00:06:39,747 Speaker 3: a really high level. 143 00:06:39,787 --> 00:06:42,507 Speaker 2: No, I've got no doubt. Yeah, coaches leave clubs all 144 00:06:42,547 --> 00:06:44,387 Speaker 2: the time, either by their own choice or by the 145 00:06:44,467 --> 00:06:47,147 Speaker 2: choice of their owners or whatever happens. So yeah, no doubt. 146 00:06:47,147 --> 00:06:49,187 Speaker 2: He hasn't become a bad coach overnight. He'll pop up 147 00:06:49,187 --> 00:06:52,467 Speaker 2: somewhere else again and go again. A couple of other 148 00:06:52,507 --> 00:06:54,907 Speaker 2: metals I wanted to get your thoughts on Winter Olympics 149 00:06:54,947 --> 00:06:56,507 Speaker 2: coming to an end across the weekend. Have you been 150 00:06:56,547 --> 00:06:57,507 Speaker 2: taking much of this in. 151 00:06:58,107 --> 00:07:00,387 Speaker 3: I have a lot. In fact, I've really been enjoying 152 00:07:00,667 --> 00:07:03,227 Speaker 3: the figure skating. I think with my old age ponty, 153 00:07:03,267 --> 00:07:07,307 Speaker 3: I'm getting a bit emotional. It's really like the Japanese 154 00:07:07,387 --> 00:07:09,987 Speaker 3: figure skating pair with the guy who was visually impaired. 155 00:07:10,027 --> 00:07:13,227 Speaker 3: I mean, come on now, that's amazing. They won gold 156 00:07:13,347 --> 00:07:16,387 Speaker 3: and I recommend you going and finding that on YouTube. 157 00:07:16,747 --> 00:07:21,347 Speaker 3: But also a Lissie Leu who won this this singles 158 00:07:21,387 --> 00:07:24,347 Speaker 3: gold medal in figure skating. She's got piercings all through 159 00:07:24,347 --> 00:07:28,147 Speaker 3: her mouth and different colored hair. She reminds me of 160 00:07:28,507 --> 00:07:31,507 Speaker 3: my daughter and her mates, and you know, just a 161 00:07:31,507 --> 00:07:35,587 Speaker 3: good alternative, alternative and an awesome role model. Like she 162 00:07:35,787 --> 00:07:38,907 Speaker 3: is not really about the winning or losing. She's about 163 00:07:38,947 --> 00:07:42,147 Speaker 3: having fun, and her having fun won are a gold medal. 164 00:07:42,147 --> 00:07:44,467 Speaker 2: It was crazy, Yeah, nothing wrong with it, Nothing wrong 165 00:07:44,467 --> 00:07:47,907 Speaker 2: with being a bit different and expressing yourself. Did you 166 00:07:47,987 --> 00:07:49,947 Speaker 2: enjoy your night at the Hellbergs by the way. 167 00:07:50,427 --> 00:07:52,707 Speaker 3: Oh look I did, I did. I tried to Martin Brundle, 168 00:07:52,827 --> 00:07:55,187 Speaker 3: wandering through and catching up with a few people. Dan 169 00:07:55,267 --> 00:07:58,307 Speaker 3: Carter was there always, He's lovely, just always plays ball, 170 00:07:58,427 --> 00:08:02,267 Speaker 3: Dan Carter, and of course Ironnie and Caleb Clark. That 171 00:08:02,427 --> 00:08:04,987 Speaker 3: was just it's just emotional seeing those two together that 172 00:08:05,027 --> 00:08:07,587 Speaker 3: have got such an awesome father son bond. You know, 173 00:08:07,667 --> 00:08:11,907 Speaker 3: talk about parenting goals. But the one thing I would 174 00:08:11,907 --> 00:08:13,987 Speaker 3: say is I actually thought it should have been a 175 00:08:14,027 --> 00:08:16,987 Speaker 3: shared Halberg with Jordy Beamish and Hamish care. I know 176 00:08:17,027 --> 00:08:19,907 Speaker 3: they're both up for sportsmen. I think what they achieved 177 00:08:19,907 --> 00:08:22,627 Speaker 3: at the World Champs could you couldn't separate them. And 178 00:08:23,347 --> 00:08:25,667 Speaker 3: it is really about the World Champs because even though 179 00:08:25,667 --> 00:08:28,067 Speaker 3: Hamish would have won plenty of events leading up to that, 180 00:08:28,467 --> 00:08:32,027 Speaker 3: I think what Jordie was doing to pretty much ambush 181 00:08:32,027 --> 00:08:35,067 Speaker 3: one of the greatest or perhaps the greatest deeeple chaser 182 00:08:35,067 --> 00:08:38,187 Speaker 3: of all time, that that should have been recognized. And 183 00:08:38,227 --> 00:08:40,507 Speaker 3: if there ever should have been a shared Halberg, it 184 00:08:40,507 --> 00:08:43,427 Speaker 3: should have been this year. Let's normalize it. 185 00:08:43,627 --> 00:08:45,987 Speaker 2: Yep, nothing wrong with it, Nothing wrong with it. James. 186 00:08:46,027 --> 00:08:47,627 Speaker 2: Always good to tet to you on a Sunday. Thanks 187 00:08:47,667 --> 00:08:49,667 Speaker 2: for taking time out of your busy schedule. We'll do 188 00:08:49,707 --> 00:08:50,507 Speaker 2: it again next week. 189 00:08:51,067 --> 00:08:52,627 Speaker 3: Can't wait, Poney, see you mate. 190 00:08:52,627 --> 00:08:54,827 Speaker 2: See them mate. Thanks indeed, James mcconey big part of 191 00:08:54,827 --> 00:08:55,427 Speaker 2: our Sundays. 192 00:08:56,027 --> 00:08:59,187 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 193 00:08:59,307 --> 00:09:02,707 Speaker 1: to News Talk ZB weekends from midday, or follow the 194 00:09:02,747 --> 00:09:04,227 Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio