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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spends to find the real story.

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Speaker 1: Or it's Andrew Dickens on hither dupers Alan drive with

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Speaker 2: They'd be well.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the program. It is seven minutes out to

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Speaker 3: four on the thirty first of July, and I'm Andrew

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Speaker 3: Dickinson on the program today. Lots of alerts but no tsunami.

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Speaker 3: Did our emergency system work or fail? And what have

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Speaker 3: we learned from this morning's rude awakenings. Judith Collins is

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Speaker 3: going to join me to explain why the FBI is

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Speaker 3: opening an office in Wellington of all places. Plus the

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Speaker 3: Chief of Navy is issued a stern warning to sailors

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Speaker 3: to stop boozing. Former Defense Minister Wave Map on what

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Speaker 3: shall we do with the drunken sailors? And we're going

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Speaker 3: to talk to a mayor very shortly whose debt to

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Speaker 3: revenue number is two hundred and thirteen point seven percent.

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Speaker 3: That's twice as much debt as money coming in. So

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Speaker 3: what town are we talking about? Why is that town

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Speaker 3: That story for you in five.

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Speaker 2: It is eight after ward.

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Speaker 3: So the National emergency alarm that bugged nation was the

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Speaker 3: big talking point in New Zealand today. Took back Clift

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Speaker 3: right and sent her about it. There are a million

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Speaker 3: stories about the alarm, and here's mine. At the first

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Speaker 3: been out and about. I didn't know about a Russian earthquake.

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Speaker 3: It warned me there was a Russian earthquake. There might

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Speaker 3: I quickly ascertained that it is going to take at

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Speaker 3: So we should be sweet. Now this was important because

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Speaker 3: Was a But then we woke up this morning and

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Speaker 3: we had another alarm. And the alarm this morning was interesting.

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Speaker 3: We knew of the threat. We knew that it was

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Speaker 3: all the oceans that had been passing through, but none

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Speaker 3: There might be some big waves. So again we looked

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Speaker 3: So Helen went off to catch the eight am ferry.

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Speaker 3: And as she left, she said, look, if there's going

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Speaker 3: it turned out, everybody ignored the alert this morning. People

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Speaker 3: If we got wiped out by a tsunami on a

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Speaker 3: So the government has issued its first report card for

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Speaker 3: a document comparing councils on their rates, revenue, debt and spending.

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Speaker 3: Five of our councils have more than twice as much

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Speaker 4: We actually absolutely acknowledged that it is high, and in

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Speaker 3: Is a snapshot of just one year really an accurate

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Speaker 5: I think over time it will give us good trends

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Speaker 4: This is the first time we've ever done this, so

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Speaker 4: We're not certainly against having this sort of benchmarking. I

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Speaker 3: Very good stuff. Now, the government's talked about rates caps,

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Speaker 3: so you know, is that viable if you've actually still

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Speaker 5: Well, it would be helpful if we knew what the

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Speaker 4: In the places that we see rates capping, especially in

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Speaker 3: Well, Bernie, good luck going forward because you've got some

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Speaker 3: big debts to have paid down and you've got some

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Speaker 3: And then they got a warning midflight. Oh so we're

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Speaker 3: not turning off the phones in the planes anymore, are we?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 3: Okay, but they're even funnier than that. What do you

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Speaker 3: Now, Darcie and I were talking about the Olympics the

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Speaker 3: do that before four point thirty. It is four fifteen,

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Speaker 3: Responsibly Darcy.

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Speaker 7: How are you?

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Speaker 3: You don't need to hear phones, just talk to me.

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Speaker 9: I know, I like to Bedvans. I like to feel

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Speaker 3: We'll get to the NPC in a moment. I want

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Speaker 3: to talk about the Olympics and weird this story. This

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Speaker 9: So New Zealand Cricket one comming tone because they don't know.

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Speaker 10: If it's official. But normally with these things leak out

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Speaker 10: there's a reason.

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Speaker 3: Behind exactly, and apparently there's going to be six teams

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Speaker 3: they're a host nation. So that means somehow we're going

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Speaker 10: Well, they're going to do it around because it's very

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Speaker 10: much you know, the rings of the Olympics and they

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Speaker 10: represent the continents and so that's what's going to happen.

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Speaker 10: So they're going to have the best team in Oceania

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Speaker 10: based on rankings, and that is going to be Australia.

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Speaker 10: Will be tough to actually pass those, So we're out

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Speaker 10: the best team in Asia, which is going to be India.

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Speaker 9: We're hat a shadow of a doubt. So they're in.

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Speaker 10: They're looking at giving the English a spot, but it's

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Speaker 10: Great Britain, so it's England, Wales, he and Whales Cricket

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Speaker 10: team in Africa, which isn't Zimbabwe, It's going to be

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Speaker 10: South Africa, and then a European side, so I'm presuming.

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Speaker 9: That's going to be either the Republic of Ireland or

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Speaker 9: the Netherlands. I'm not entirely sure. This has not been

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Speaker 3: It sounds like a weird mongrel frankenstein of a competition.

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Speaker 9: It does, But what is the sole purpose of it.

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Speaker 10: In cricket at the Olympic Games, get get hands off

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Speaker 10: my game, get eyeballs on it. And the eyeballs come

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Speaker 10: with broadcasting rights. And where are the most eyeballs in

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Speaker 3: There's the most population of the most cricket crazy people.

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Speaker 9: Played at little litsy bitsy wee grounds to you know, Canterbury.

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Speaker 9: To lift the whole local engagement, because that's what.

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Speaker 10: Excuse me, they've got the scariest backline in world rugby,

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Speaker 10: The Bay of Plenty they're playing. They have plenty, just

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Speaker 3: Some responsible are eighteen betting, Thank you, see Darcy. It

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Speaker 1: When it's Andrew dickens on Hither Duplessy Alan drive with

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Speaker 3: For twenty six Andrew that guy Bernie, this is the

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Speaker 3: So it is twenty five to five, I'm here until seven.

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Speaker 3: More on Horrafanure council. Why do they borrow so much money? Well,

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Speaker 3: But they also, like all councilors around here, have decades

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Speaker 3: Other people have complained about the fact. Of course all

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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, I got two alarms? How many did you get?

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Speaker 3: Three? Text to here says Shane says, I got seven alarms?

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Speaker 3: It'd be drive well to the Canadian Prime minister first,

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Speaker 3: It's Mark's conditions for you. Now to America, with the

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Speaker 3: And finally, that sound effect is not an emergency warning

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Speaker 3: So either there are no such thing as nuclear wasps

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Speaker 1: National Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 9: From Australia.

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Speaker 3: Murray Old's ever been bitten by a wasp?

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Speaker 7: Look? I'm not sure, Andrew. I remember I've been stung

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Speaker 3: Twenty percent of student loans in Australia set to be

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Speaker 7: Tyler's the whole range, the whole suite of skills that

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Speaker 7: any modern society needs. All these, you know, they all

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Speaker 7: need tertiary education levels these days to do just about everything,

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Speaker 7: of course, and so very significant for a lot of people,

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Speaker 7: thousands and thousands and thousands of people. I saw one

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Speaker 7: figure over three million, not sure if it's that much,

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Speaker 7: but certainly very well, very warmly welcomed by the young

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Speaker 7: people who were going to see of this debt retired.

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Speaker 3: Were pork barrel politics were actually an aid to great

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Speaker 3: business efficiency and productivity.

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Speaker 7: Depends on you talk to mate.

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Speaker 11: One nation.

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Speaker 7: Pauline Hanson and earned morons voted against it. So you know,

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Speaker 7: I mean, these are people who that is lucky that

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Speaker 7: they invented slip on shoes because bloody shoelaces. Beyond the

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Speaker 7: Pauline Hanson, Bob.

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Speaker 3: I wish you'd actually say what you really mean more often, Murray.

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Speaker 3: Now inflation is down to a.

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Speaker 7: Four year low, it is not since twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 7: Is the headline rate down to two point one percent

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Speaker 7: the year to June. The underlying rate, which is the

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Speaker 7: one the Reserve Bank most carefully watches, that's the one

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Speaker 7: that strips out all the volatile items, could be the

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Speaker 7: price of oil goes to the roof or whatever. That

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Speaker 7: was two point seven percent. But that's right in that

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Speaker 7: goldilock zone, the sweet spot. The Reserve Bank has been

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Speaker 7: waiting for inflation to come down sustainably between two and

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Speaker 7: three percent. So two point seven percent right in that

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Speaker 7: sweet spot. Now the government says, no surprise here. It's

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Speaker 7: a stunning result. And of course what this is done,

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Speaker 7: and it was heightened speculation. The Reserve Bank is going

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Speaker 7: to cut into this rates at its next meeting, which

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Speaker 7: I think is next week, perhaps the week after, and

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Speaker 7: maybe another cut prior to Christmas, and that will be

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Speaker 7: super well welcomed by so many people over here with

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Speaker 7: big mortgages.

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Speaker 3: Now I want to talk about this guy called David James,

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Speaker 3: who I cannot call a creep yet because he hasn't

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Speaker 3: been found guilty, but I know his name, facing thirteen offenses,

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Speaker 3: with nine accounts of advigative use of a child to

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Speaker 3: make child abuse material. I mean a lot of the

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Speaker 3: allegations are too graphic to publish, but we know his name,

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Speaker 3: and I think this is important because often in these cases,

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Speaker 3: until they've found guilty, we don't know who these creeps are.

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Speaker 3: So how come we know the name of David James

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Speaker 3: in the New South Wales.

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Speaker 7: It was a twelve month fight in court to he

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Speaker 7: was trying to protect his identity. He wanted to remain anonymous.

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Speaker 7: Police went to court and said no, he's accused of,

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Speaker 7: as you say, extremely serious crimes. And finally he has

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Speaker 7: now been a court has found no, he's got no

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Speaker 7: right to anonymity, so he has been identified. So for

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Speaker 7: twelve months this fight was going on. Now we know

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Speaker 7: a bit about this fellow. He's worked at nearly sixty

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Speaker 7: childcare centers six to zero. He's also a power a

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Speaker 7: former policeman. He was allegedly pinned by federal police, not

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Speaker 7: the state police, but federal police last year on the

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Speaker 7: dark web, and he was initially charged with refusing to

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Speaker 7: grant police access to his telephone police believed he had

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Speaker 7: photographed children, and indeed the allegation is explicit photographs of

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Speaker 7: kids five to six years old, right as they used

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Speaker 7: bathrooms at some of these centers that he was working at.

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Speaker 7: So's it's grotesque, it's dreadful, as you say, allegations. Only

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Speaker 7: at the stage the police had got a very very

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Speaker 7: strong case when the matter goes to court.

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Speaker 3: I understood they contacted over twelve hundred people who might

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Speaker 3: have been victims, and they've all said yet, no, good,

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Speaker 3: thank you, we know all this and we're okay with

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Speaker 3: having his name out. So there we go. And the

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Speaker 3: judge also said there's no reason to keep his name

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Speaker 3: for public, even though the lawyer said naming him might

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Speaker 3: cause him to be under threatened the jail environment.

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Speaker 11: So shame.

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Speaker 3: Murray Old say thank you. Now this is news Talk's hep.

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Speaker 3: I'm in for Heather who's got a bit of illness

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Speaker 3: at home. Hopefully she'll be act tomorrow. Now I've opened

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Speaker 3: a new and I've opened a new hornet's nest of

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Speaker 3: a debate, do wasp sting or bite? I said, I

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Speaker 3: thought they bite? But everyone's going to tell that idiot

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Speaker 3: presenter who's not hither that they sting, So you know,

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Speaker 3: I look these things up. Wasps both sting and bite,

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Speaker 3: but they do primarily sting for defense. And the thing

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Speaker 3: about what's is they can sting you multiple times, unlike

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Speaker 3: the bees who can only can do it once and

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Speaker 3: then it's all over. They do also bite, but apparently

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Speaker 3: the bite's not so bad. So there you go, and

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Speaker 3: there they are. It is fifteen to five Politics in

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Speaker 3: Twelve to five and we're enjoined now by our political

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Speaker 3: editor Jason Wolves. You're still here, Yes, still here. They

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Speaker 3: always buy what they say. Every time I talked to you,

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Speaker 3: I think it's the last time I'm going to talk

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Speaker 3: to you, But no, here we are once again.

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Speaker 14: Every different times a present for me joy in delight

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Speaker 14: and while I guess expiration is back on the menu boys, indeed,

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Speaker 14: great Lord of the Rings reference there, mister Dickens. As

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Speaker 14: expected this past in the House today with the government

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Speaker 14: parties voting for it and the opposition voting against it,

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Speaker 14: so there was not really anything outside of the ordinary there.

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Speaker 14: The debate was as also expected quite fierce at times.

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Speaker 14: Here's what Meagan Wood said during her speech.

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Speaker 15: The government needs to front up with some facts to

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Speaker 15: New Zealanders and come claim that what they are doing

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Speaker 15: is right wing virtue signaling and it is nothing more

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Speaker 15: than an ideological desire to look to the past instead

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Speaker 15: of investing in the future.

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Speaker 14: So there were quite a few speeches along that line.

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Speaker 14: Right wing virtue signaling seemed to be the Labor parties

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Speaker 14: go to phrase. Act Simon Court also had a crack

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Speaker 14: at the Labor and the Greens and mister.

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Speaker 16: Steve Abel, I tell you how important it is for

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Speaker 16: you and even people in the Green Party. It's those

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Speaker 16: critical minerals that this bill will enable to be extracted

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Speaker 16: and developed, that power your solar panels, your satellites, your

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Speaker 16: mobile phone, that keeps humans like all of us, even

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Speaker 16: build on the Green Party connected and on social media.

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Speaker 14: So he was directing that at Steve abel who is

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Speaker 14: from the Green Party and Green Stephen Abel rather had

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Speaker 14: a clap back for him.

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Speaker 17: That is why it is a futile effort on the

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Speaker 17: part of this government to try and bring this industry back,

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Speaker 17: because this industry knows full well that when this side

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Speaker 17: of the House is back on that side of the

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Speaker 17: House in eighteen months time, the ban on oil and

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Speaker 17: gas is coming back into place.

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Speaker 14: So I actually think that is one of the most

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Speaker 14: important things that were said in this debate, because the

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Speaker 14: government can reverse the ban, but if you're an oil

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Speaker 14: and a gas company, why the heck would you bother

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Speaker 14: coming here? You could be losing billions and billions of

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Speaker 14: dollars because another government might reverse the reversal of the

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Speaker 14: oil and gas ban, and then another one might come

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Speaker 14: in and reverse the reversal of the reversal. So it's

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Speaker 14: just not really worth it for these big companies.

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Speaker 3: Shane Jones has been nice about this, like how are

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Speaker 3: you going to ring fence and how are you going

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Speaker 3: to strengthen it and make sure that that doesn't happen

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Speaker 3: that we don't have flip flops? So has he got

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Speaker 3: an answer for it?

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Speaker 14: Shane Jhones wasn't actually here today, unfortunately it was his

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Speaker 14: baby in the House, but he wasn't the one shepherding

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Speaker 14: it through today. It was Simon Watts as Energy Minister.

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Speaker 14: But I'm sure listen, it's a bit tough because governments

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Speaker 14: are sovereign, they're elected by the country. So if they

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Speaker 14: want to do something, they.

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Speaker 2: Can do it. Okay.

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Speaker 3: Now the Malordi Party and they're taking legal action over

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Speaker 3: alleged voter de registration.

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Speaker 14: They are indeed Departy Marty have filed urgent proceedings in

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Speaker 14: the High Court following what they say is an alarming

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Speaker 14: reports that Marty acts across the country have been removed

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Speaker 14: from the electoral role or shifted off the Marty roll

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Speaker 14: without their knowledge, content or due process.

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Speaker 2: Quote.

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Speaker 14: We are witnessing what can only be described as voter suppression.

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Speaker 14: Our farmer are being stripped of their democratic right in silence.

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Speaker 14: And that's according to t Party Marii co leader Debbie Nadi,

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Speaker 14: were packet now pretty serious allegations here. The party has

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Speaker 14: sent formal letters to both the Electoral Commission, the Ministry

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Speaker 14: of Justice and the Ombudsman demanding urgent action, including a

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Speaker 14: full investigation of the enrollment system and an extensive registration

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Speaker 14: or an extensive look into the registration process in the

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Speaker 14: upcoming Tamaki Makoto by election. Now, if I were Tea

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Speaker 14: Party Marii, I'd probably not raise issues to do with

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Speaker 14: electoral problems when it comes to Tamaki Mikoto. Given the

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Speaker 14: investigations around their own voting behavior in the Manu Rewa

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Speaker 14: Marai and the last election. But hey, that's just me.

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Speaker 14: Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith, who's in charge of the Electoral Commission,

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Speaker 14: was asked about this and he said, there's nothing to

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Speaker 14: see here.

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, I am concerned by the reports.

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Speaker 18: All the advice I've had from the Electoral Commission is

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Speaker 18: that they can see no issue. So if the Maori

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Speaker 18: partier suggesting that there is my encouragement to them as

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Speaker 18: to give some specific details to the Electoral Commission and

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Speaker 18: let them join.

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Speaker 14: So the Elector Commissioner have actually said that they've heard

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Speaker 14: some concerns that people have been unable to find their

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Speaker 14: employment records or it's our enrollment records on the website,

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Speaker 14: and they've checked and there are no technical issues with

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Speaker 14: our enrollment system. Quote, if you can't find your enrollment record,

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Speaker 14: it might be because you're not enrolled, or you're on

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Speaker 14: the unpublished role. There are a few other reasons why

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Speaker 14: enrollment records might not come up immediately or might not

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Speaker 14: be available on Volte New Zealand. So they're saying nothing

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Speaker 14: to see here as well. But I guess we'll wait

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Speaker 14: to see what the High Court says.

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Speaker 3: I guess on the previous issue where you see that's

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Speaker 3: just me. Don't worry, Jason, it's not just you.

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Speaker 14: I didn't think it was.

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Speaker 3: It's me too, and an awful lot of other people

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Speaker 3: who have an awful lot of concerns. And Jason, it's

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Speaker 3: been lovely working with you. I'm presuming this is the

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Speaker 3: last time we talked, but then again that could be

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Speaker 3: wrong as well.

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Speaker 7: And I thank you.

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Speaker 3: It is seven minutes to vive.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspakers the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 2: From the power front.

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Speaker 3: They're reversing that oil and gas band.

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Speaker 12: Shane Jones as the Minister for Resources, are you hopeful,

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Speaker 12: given next year's election year, that you can put enough

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Speaker 12: of this in place that won't be flipped again.

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Speaker 6: I think we're the flipping trip line with the fossil fuels.

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Speaker 2: But the trick that we.

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Speaker 6: Missed us after Jasumba and that political fugitive from Electoral

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Speaker 6: Justice canceled the oil and gas industry.

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Speaker 2: They should have immediately.

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Speaker 6: Invested in due to moneynature sixty seven years ago, and

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Speaker 6: then we'd had the flow to color off the shortage.

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Speaker 6: I can think of no single decision that has had

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Speaker 6: a more destructive impact on energy policy that means economic

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Speaker 6: policy then just cinder canceling the organ gas industry.

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Speaker 12: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 12: the land Driver Discovery Newstalk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Andrew, I'm in christ, Rich I received exactly zero emergency alerts.

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Speaker 3: Do they not have tsunamis in christ which of course

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Speaker 3: they do. They also have earthquakes, so you should have

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Speaker 3: got some. I'm going to ask Nima about that after

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Speaker 3: five o'clock today. Also another fact about wasps, they have

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Speaker 3: a memory, Jackson, I thank you, so they can sting

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Speaker 3: you time and time again and they remember every time

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Speaker 3: and they love it because they're wasps. Now, the reason

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Speaker 3: that FBI Director Cash Betel paid a secret visit to

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Speaker 3: Wellington has now been revealed. We're going to have a

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Speaker 3: permanent FBI base here in New Zealand. So he came

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Speaker 3: into Wellington on Wednesday, met with police and spy bosses,

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Speaker 3: met with ministers. All those sorts of people. Visit had

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Speaker 3: been kept under wraps and nobody said anything. And then

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Speaker 3: Thursday afternoon Cash Bettel in the States said oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: we're going to open an office of the FBI and

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Speaker 3: Wellington and it seemed to catch the New Zealand government

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Speaker 3: off guard. So what's happening there?

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Speaker 6: Hey?

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Speaker 3: Because I got a text saying I understood that the

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Speaker 3: FBI's focus was on crime within the USA only, So

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Speaker 3: why is it in New Zealand? What a good question,

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Speaker 3: which I will put to Judith Collins, Minister of Defense

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Speaker 3: after five o'clock today. Just at a few moments time,

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Speaker 3: I also asked him what do we do with a

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Speaker 3: drunken sailor? After the rear Admiral basically banned.

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Speaker 1: the full picture? Andrew Dickens on hither duplessy Alan drive

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Speaker 1: with one New Zealand Let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 3: At be Weokod afternoon. She rocket to the program first

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Speaker 3: to the emergency alert that galvanized the country and a

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Speaker 3: lot of it made us angry. Civil Defense says there's

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Speaker 3: still a tsunami threat this afternoon, and there is now

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Speaker 3: rebounding tsunami activity happening from South America. It comes as

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Speaker 3: questions have been raised whin the warning system went just

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Speaker 3: a little bit overboard over the course of the night,

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Speaker 3: as many people reported being inundated with emergency alerts, including

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Speaker 3: the middle of the night. Now I'm joined by the

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Speaker 3: Director of Civil Defense. His name is John Price.

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Speaker 11: John Price, Hello to you, oh pure Andrew. Thank you

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Speaker 11: very much for the opportunity to speak to you and

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Speaker 11: your listeners.

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Speaker 3: Very good. First things first, we still have a risk. Now,

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Speaker 3: what's these rebounding tsunamis.

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Speaker 11: Look really good question? Andrew? Thank you. Look, let's I

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Speaker 11: probably need to take a little step back and just

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Speaker 11: remind everyone, especially the listeners, that's what happened yesterday with

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Speaker 11: an eight point eight magnitude earthquake in Russia was probably

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Speaker 11: one of the largest earthquakes recorded in the history of

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Speaker 11: the world. So what that will do, the size of

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Speaker 11: that sort of earthquake will generate a substantive tsunami wave.

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Speaker 11: When I say, way, what that really is is a

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Speaker 11: body of water. It's not like a way that you

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Speaker 11: and I would see down at the It's a surge.

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Speaker 3: Yes, John, We've watched movies of the boxing day tsunamis.

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Speaker 3: We know what it surged. We know what a tsunami

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Speaker 3: looks like, and we know that we know that that happened.

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Speaker 3: And then of course it's struck through the South China Sea.

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Speaker 3: We saw pictures of it on last night's news, but

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Speaker 3: it never made it to New Zealand. So why should

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Speaker 3: we be concerned about rebounding tsunamis when the original tsunami

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Speaker 3: didn't even make it in the first place.

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Speaker 11: Well, that's not correct. That actually has made its way

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Speaker 11: to New Zealand, Andrew, and we've seen this. It's struck

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Speaker 11: at various different parts of New Zealand all the way

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Speaker 11: through from up North, all the way down South and

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Speaker 11: VENs to Chatham Islands. Where it's been we've had senses

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Speaker 11: that have picked it up. And so the tsunami or

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Speaker 11: the body of water is still with us at the moment,

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Speaker 11: and hence the rest because until that settles itself down,

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Speaker 11: we've still got strong and unusual currents. And we know

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Speaker 11: Andrew that in these sort of waters, if you enter

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Speaker 11: these waters, there's a ninety percent change to potentially.

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Speaker 3: Luckily though of course it's winter and it's cold. Go carry,

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Speaker 3: I'm going for a swim. But here's the thing. The

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Speaker 3: Minister came on today with Kerry Woodham and said, look,

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Speaker 3: we do these alerts so that you can make an

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Speaker 3: informed decision. My problem is that I don't think the

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Speaker 3: decision got any more informed. From the start of the

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Speaker 3: earthquake until the second alert, which we got in the morning.

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Speaker 3: Twelve hours got nothing, and I worried that the monitoring

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Speaker 3: system that we have through all the oceans was not

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Speaker 3: feeding us with updated statistics.

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Speaker 11: Oh look, no, that's completely wrong.

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Speaker 10: Though.

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Speaker 11: We've got a lot of strong science body from GNS

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Speaker 11: and also international research and science that has backed up

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Speaker 11: the fact that we have a body of water that

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Speaker 11: has and we've also experienced in it as well. There

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Speaker 11: are parts of the Bay of Plenty that have had

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Speaker 11: to evacuate as a result of it.

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Speaker 3: So we're definitely really sorry, said that's who's evacuated.

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Speaker 11: We were as parts of Buy a Plenty where the

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Speaker 11: precautionary was taken just to keep them.

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Speaker 3: So the water came up, the water came up past

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Speaker 3: the beach, and up they came, and people had to

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Speaker 3: be evacuated, not up, not up over the.

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Speaker 11: Beach, but into areas. Because you've got to remember the

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Speaker 11: likes of estuaries and such might become areas of concern.

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Speaker 11: So and we know this Marinas and places like that

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Speaker 11: where the water can surge up. What we've got to

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Speaker 11: do is take a precautionary approach, not a complacency approach.

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Speaker 3: So now why does some people get one alert, some

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Speaker 3: people got three alerts, some people got five. I've got

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Speaker 3: some people who are claiming they got seven. Was this

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Speaker 3: a localized alerts or is there a glitch in our

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Speaker 3: emergency system?

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Speaker 11: Look, as you you need to just explain what we

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Speaker 11: do there is we identify the potential hazard and threat

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Speaker 11: and it was to the whole coast of New Zealand

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Speaker 11: and the Chatham Islands. So what we do then is

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Speaker 11: we basically create a coastal polygon around the coast of

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Speaker 11: New Zealand and what happens is the message is sent

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Speaker 11: to any fund that currently is within that holygon which

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Speaker 11: is near the coast. So if you're inland, no, you're

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Speaker 11: not going to get an emergency mobile alert because there's

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Speaker 11: no threat all this through that area. But if you

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Speaker 11: then move from the inland area during the time the

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Speaker 11: emergency mobile alert is alive, it will set itself up.

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Speaker 3: Well John, John, I'm very good, Thank you keep watching,

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Speaker 3: keep us informed. Thank you very much for your time tonight, Andrew.

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Speaker 3: And that is John Price who is our civil defense head,

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Speaker 3: and I'm sure we all appreciated him explaining what an

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Speaker 3: earthquake in the tsunami is to the citizens of New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: We all needed that, didn't we. It is twelve minutes

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Speaker 3: after five dicks, we finally know what FBI Director Cash

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Speaker 3: Hotel was in the country for. America's Federal Bureau of

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Speaker 3: Investigation has announced it will set up its own standalone

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Speaker 3: office in Wellington. So Judith Collins is the Minister of

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Speaker 3: Defense and she joins me. Now, hello, Judith, Oh, hello Andrew.

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Speaker 3: Why we have the FBI decided to set up shop.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I'm going to ask you another question. I

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Speaker 3: thought the FBI only worked internally within America and the

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Speaker 3: CIA was about external So why is the FBI now

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Speaker 3: in Wellington?

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Speaker 19: As essentially as our counterpart would be New Zealand's Security

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Speaker 19: Intelligence Server, so basically spies. FBI is more on trians,

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Speaker 19: national crime, and also obviously the intelligence agencies work with

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Speaker 19: the law enforcement agencies, but it's certainly a law enforcement

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Speaker 19: and intelligence cooperation.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So they are going to talk about the threat

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Speaker 3: of China, but they're also going to talk about the

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Speaker 3: threat of increased drug trades and general shenanigans within the

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Speaker 3: South Pacific exactly.

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Speaker 20: So the.

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Speaker 19: Director explained today that he realized that New Zealand was

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Speaker 19: the only Five Eyes country that didn't have our own

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Speaker 19: FBI agency here. A certainly we have had for many

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Speaker 19: years and person here, but to turn it into an

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Speaker 19: actual agency that reports through to the Washington to Kesh

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Speaker 19: Burttel's office rather than going through CANBRA.

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Speaker 21: So we're not a sub branch anymore.

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Speaker 3: Will they actually have a storefront? Could I go along

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Speaker 3: to the FBI and knock on the door or will

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Speaker 3: it all be done in secrecy?

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Speaker 19: That's all pretty secret that they're in the with the

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Speaker 19: obviously the US embassy. So look, the FBI and the

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Speaker 19: New Zealand Police as well as our security agencies have

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Speaker 19: long worked together. And you're talking about transnational crime, whether

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Speaker 19: it's cyber crime forward, organized crime generally money laundering, child explortation,

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Speaker 19: and also foreign intelligence threats. So the Agency office will

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Speaker 19: have responsibility not only for partnerships in New Zealand but

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Speaker 19: with Antarctica the work there, but also some more New

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Speaker 19: Ana and.

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Speaker 3: They'll help our own fight against those issues.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 19: Look, we have common threats, whether it's people trafficking fentanyl,

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Speaker 19: which is a big focus at the moment for the FBI,

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Speaker 19: but also methamphetamine, which is one of our big focus areas.

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Speaker 19: But we have common threats around transnational criminals.

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Speaker 3: And this is good news really because with the election

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Speaker 3: of the Donald Trump administration, it was thought that the

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Speaker 3: America was going to become more inward looking and stop

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Speaker 3: looking outwards. But this shows that they are still committed

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Speaker 3: to being an outward looking power.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 19: Well, I think it's incredibly important. I mean, clearly, we

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Speaker 19: have a population the size of Alabama, and we have

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Speaker 19: the enormous area to cover, and particularly around that transnational crime.

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Speaker 19: The US has enormous opportunities to help us with that,

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Speaker 19: and I think every New Zealander would say this is

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Speaker 19: a good thing.

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Speaker 3: Now. I know, you'll tell me this is an operational

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Speaker 3: issue for the defense forces. But on a personal level,

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Speaker 3: you'd disappointed that the head of the Navy, the rear Admiral,

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Speaker 3: had to come out and scold drunken sailors.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 19: Actually I felt for the Chief of Navy because nobody

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Speaker 19: wants to have to do that, And the fact is

844
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Speaker 19: that people need to remember that, you know, they don't

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Speaker 19: the dry ships basically, they've got to be really careful

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Speaker 19: in the operating, but you cannot go crazy when you

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Speaker 19: get to port and it's really important that we not

848
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Speaker 19: have these things happen. And I thought, good on them.

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Speaker 3: And will the agencies within the Defense Force still be

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Speaker 3: funded to help I know this, there are sexual abuse

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Speaker 3: agencies within the Defense forces. Will there be funding to

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Speaker 3: help help the sailors, the soldiers in the air and

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Speaker 3: combat the evil drink?

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Speaker 19: Oh well, everyone has to. I don't know the detail

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Speaker 19: on that, but I do know that the Defense Force

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Speaker 19: is a very seriously focused on its people and I

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Speaker 19: find them a great employer that I look at some

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Speaker 19: of the work they do for people when whether it's

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Speaker 19: health free health care or free dental care, these are

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Speaker 19: not things that most people in the outside the Defense

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Speaker 19: Force would get, So I can't imagine they're not doing

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Speaker 19: an awful lot for their people.

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Speaker 3: Truith Collins, Defense Minister, I thank you for your time today.

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Speaker 3: At the time is now seventeen minutes after five and

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Speaker 3: a lot of reaction to our lead interview with the

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Speaker 3: head of Civil Defense. First texta came through said what

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Speaker 3: a terrible talking head Andrew John Price, And I thought

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Speaker 3: so too. I was disturbed that he was man explaining

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Speaker 3: to me exactly what an earthquake in a tsunami was,

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Speaker 3: and that a tsunami was a surge of water and

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Speaker 3: not a wave. And I'm sitting there going, we've only

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Speaker 3: got four minutes to do this interview, mate, Let's get

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Speaker 3: down to the brass tacks. What is the actual threat?

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Speaker 3: And everything came out a slow way. However, that's upset

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Speaker 3: an awful lot of you who said I was rude

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Speaker 3: and I was interrupting, Well, of course I was. He

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Speaker 3: Major carmakers turned to New Zealand to help recycle their

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Speaker 3: EV batteries and to tell us who doctor Will Barker

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Speaker 3: joins you now from Mint Innovation.

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Speaker 21: Hello Will, Hi Andrew, thanks for having me on show.

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Speaker 3: So you've got an eighteen million dollar contract to recycle

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Speaker 3: EV batteries who with.

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Speaker 21: Yeah's a Jaguar androver. So as part of the collaboration

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Speaker 21: we have with them to scale our technology from the

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Speaker 21: pirate scale which we do in Auckland into kind of

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Speaker 21: larger scale that then goes on to commercial scale in

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Speaker 21: the UK.

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Speaker 3: So their betteries to New Zealand to be recycled. Here

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Speaker 3: are we taking risks here?

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Speaker 21: No, we don't recycle them here. We are building a

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Speaker 21: plant with them in the UK, and that we're using

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Speaker 21: the technology that we developed here in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: So obviously batteries are being used more and more. Could

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Speaker 3: we become the best at lithium removal and disposal in

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Speaker 3: the world.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, that's essentially what the technology does. We've developed a

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Speaker 21: unique technology and we are scaling to be one of

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Speaker 21: the world leaders in this.

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Speaker 3: How did you do that?

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Speaker 21: We've got some very very clever lab people. We start

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Speaker 21: the business and recovery metals from e waste and have

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Speaker 21: just kind of extended the platform to looking at other

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Speaker 21: waste streams with interesting metals and Leslie mind batteries huge

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Speaker 21: problem and those critical metals in them are a huge opportunity.

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Speaker 21: If you can create a circular solution, then everybody the winner.

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Speaker 3: Well, good on you. I hope you've developed a bit

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Speaker 3: of mousetrap, so to speak. Will Barker, the man behind

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Speaker 3: Mint Innovation, Doctor Will Barker, I should say, and yes,

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Speaker 3: we're dealing with the UK's let's the battery removal and

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Speaker 3: that's a good thing, and that's a growth industry. And

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Speaker 3: that's five twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Informed insight into today's issues. It's Andrew dickens on hither

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Speaker 1: duplicy aland drive with one New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Let's get connected the youth talks'd be.

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Speaker 3: So it is five twenty six. The repeal of Labor's

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Speaker 3: oil and exploration ban has finally happened. Shane Jones has

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Speaker 3: been talking about a store more weak, but he wasn't

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Speaker 3: in the house today. I have no problem with looking

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Speaker 3: for oil and gas. We need it, after all, I

947
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Speaker 3: cook with gas. If our current supplies run out, I'll

948
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Speaker 3: have to go back to electric, as will many other people.

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Speaker 3: That's going to cost me in the country, and as

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Speaker 3: we all know, electricity isn't exactly growing on trees these days,

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Speaker 3: so it might just be swapping one supply problem with another.

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Speaker 3: This morning, Mike Hoskins said that Labour's ban was idealism,

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Speaker 3: and it's very worse. And he said, if we had

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Speaker 3: all the windmills and solar panels and batteries in place,

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Speaker 3: it might have made much more sense. And I totally

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Speaker 3: agree with that. He is right. You can't get rid

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Speaker 3: of one mode if the next isn't approaching ready to

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Speaker 3: take the demand. You just can't do it. There's nothing

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Speaker 3: to replace it. Then you end out with shortages. The

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Speaker 3: ban by Labor was a bold stroke bit of virtue

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Speaker 3: signaling that was doomed by its lack of detailed thinking

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Speaker 3: about the consequences. So Nashville is repealing it. Good job,

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Speaker 3: but I'm not sure their motivations are in the right place.

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Speaker 3: The main motivator seems to be to stick it to

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Speaker 3: the environmentalists and the Labor Party, and that in itself

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Speaker 3: is just as ideological as the ban in the first place.

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Speaker 3: And that's what Labour's saying to them. The national is

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Speaker 3: now virtue signaling in the opposite direction. There is also

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Speaker 3: the unbridled optimism that we're actually going to find something.

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Speaker 3: Shane Jones will have you believe that we have our

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Speaker 3: fortune under our feet. Has been denied us by Jasindra Ourduram.

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Speaker 3: But based on success rates on gas and all expiration

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Speaker 3: over the past thirty years, I'd have to say that

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Speaker 3: he's dreaming. And then there's the assumption of liability by

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Speaker 3: the state in the new legislation that is going to

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Speaker 3: be passed. You may have read about the story of

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Speaker 3: the Malaysian operators of the two we find in Taranaki

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Speaker 3: went bust in twenty nineteen, and they just walked away

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Speaker 3: from what they'd done, leaving the taxpayer to spend nearly

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Speaker 3: three hundred million dollars capping the under sea wells and

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Speaker 3: cleaning up all the sites. It cost us three hundred million.

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Speaker 3: We got nothing out of this. Now that liability got

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Speaker 3: change to make the operators liable for the mess Now,

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Speaker 3: Shane says, no, we'll pick up the costs if you

985
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Speaker 3: screw up. I have no idea other than to make

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Speaker 3: a poor site slightly more affordable to explore. And we're

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Speaker 3: just risking another bust or another disaster, another bankruptcy, and

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Speaker 3: then another big bill for the taxpayer to clean up

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Speaker 3: the messic causes. But today we're soon to become free

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Speaker 3: to explore again. But I don't have my hope. So

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Speaker 3: and I'm still waiting for a politician to talk about

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Speaker 3: these issues with a little less ingrained ideology, either left

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Speaker 3: or right.

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Speaker 2: Andrew Dickens, what shall we do.

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Speaker 3: With a drunken sailor? Has been the little line all

996
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Speaker 3: day long because we had a rear admiral come out

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Speaker 3: and say you've got to stop drinking. There's too much

998
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Speaker 3: drinking in the defense force. But what shall we do

999
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Speaker 3: about it? Do we have the it needs to help?

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Speaker 3: We'll find out next with way Matt on.

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Speaker 1: The iHeart app and in your car on your drive home,

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Speaker 1: it's Andrew Dickens on Hither duplessy Alum drive with one

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Speaker 1: New Zealand let's get connected news talks that'd be.

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Speaker 3: Welcome on the Thursday. Thank you for choosing our program.

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Speaker 3: My name is Andrew Dickens.

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Speaker 11: Here.

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Speaker 3: They should be back tomorrow. It is twenty three minutes

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Speaker 3: to six. So of course, just been talking about the

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Speaker 3: oil and bass gas ban on exploration. It's sober that's

1010
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Speaker 3: going through the house. It happened Shane Jones's cockerhoop and

1011
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Speaker 3: all that sort of thing. Just talked about it before, Andrew,

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Speaker 3: you didn't mention that after Labour's ban on oil and

1013
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Speaker 3: gas exploration, New Zealand imported dirty coal and the price

1014
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Speaker 3: of power went through the roof. Regards from Wayne's I know, Wayne,

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Speaker 3: that was the funny thing about it. They just banned

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Speaker 3: all and gas thinking that exploration, thinking that yeah, we've

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Speaker 3: solved you know, climbing crisis and all that sort of thing,

1018
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Speaker 3: and not realizing that New Zealands still need to power

1019
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Speaker 3: on its economy, and so they burnt even dirtier coal,

1020
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Speaker 3: and not even our own coal. They imported their coal.

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Speaker 3: I mean, hello, you know this is not unintended consequences.

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Speaker 3: This was unforeseen consequences by an ideological decision by the

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Speaker 3: Labor Party. And then people say, well, why are you

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Speaker 3: saying that the writer just as virtue signaling? They're not

1025
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Speaker 3: just as, but they are still virtue signaling because they

1026
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Speaker 3: know these votes and making people believe there's a bonanza

1027
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Speaker 3: underneath your feet. But in other Texas says did they

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Speaker 3: not also announce a new scheme to search for geo

1029
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Speaker 3: thermal energy on the same day that they are repeating

1030
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Speaker 3: the band. Yes, they did, And there was a great

1031
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Speaker 3: interview earlier this week with Shane Jones where he said

1032
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Speaker 3: when Labour put in the band in the first place,

1033
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Speaker 3: they should have started a campaign and a directive to

1034
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Speaker 3: search for geo thermal, which they didn't do when they

1035
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Speaker 3: had six years to do it, and they just never

1036
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Speaker 3: got round to doing it, so they never looked actively

1037
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Speaker 3: for an alternative, which was a major mistake. At least

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Speaker 3: these guys, they are looking for an alternative. And we

1039
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Speaker 3: live in hope and it is twenty two to sixigins,

1040
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Speaker 3: what woo.

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Speaker 20: And a drunken sailor?

1042
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Speaker 12: What woo?

1043
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Speaker 9: And a drunken sailor?

1044
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Speaker 2: What in an oaken sailor lay in themborn and not.

1045
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Speaker 3: Alive in question obviously, But the Chief of Navy has

1046
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Speaker 3: ordered his sailors to stop drinking so much after a

1047
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Speaker 3: numerous number of incidents that were very embarrassing both here

1048
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Speaker 3: in New Zealand and overseas, and violence and sexual abuse

1049
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Speaker 3: and all sorts of things, or because of the evil drink.

1050
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Speaker 3: Defense Minister Judith Collins has been briefed on a number

1051
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Speaker 3: of these incidents. So Chief of Navy Rear Admiral Garren

1052
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Speaker 3: Golding has put out a directive saying that alcohol consumption

1053
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Speaker 3: must be at levels allowing the Navy to maintain its effectiveness, readiness,

1054
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Speaker 3: and reputation. He did this directive. It has been obtained

1055
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Speaker 3: by the Herald. We have reported on this. We asked

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Speaker 3: garon the Rear admiral to come on and to talk

1057
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Speaker 3: about this, but he was not prepared to talk about this.

1058
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Speaker 3: Nor was many people prepared to talk about this, And

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Speaker 3: we don't know why. But one person prepared to talk

1060
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Speaker 3: about it as former Defense Minister Wayne Mapp, who joins

1061
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Speaker 3: he now Halloway Andrew. When you end out with a

1062
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Speaker 3: rear admiral basically ordering a stop to drinking, you've got

1063
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Speaker 3: to say that things have gotten pretty dysfunctional and they

1064
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Speaker 3: haven't been able to handle the problem.

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Speaker 22: Well, it's a changing times. I mean just salis and drinking.

1066
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Speaker 22: Who will ever guest, But the environment today is different

1067
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Speaker 22: on all sorts of issues, and I think that's probably

1068
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Speaker 22: lead to it. You know, for young people, drinking has

1069
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Speaker 22: been reduced, but they're still extremes. And then we'll send

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Speaker 22: it with the Navy.

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Speaker 3: So where the directive like this rein is in, will

1072
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Speaker 3: there be harsher consequences for people actually involved who get drunk?

1073
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Speaker 3: I mean, what is he saying, He's just ordering don't

1074
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Speaker 3: get drunk? Is that really effective?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 22: There will be harsher consequences. I think that kind of

1077
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Speaker 22: sets up the platform for precisely that I mean, as

1078
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Speaker 22: I said, expectations a change things that were okay two

1079
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Speaker 22: decades ago Kracktic when I was Minister, I used to

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Speaker 22: complain to the Chief of Defense during Matter Prize that cray,

1081
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Speaker 22: what are these all these people getting into trouble for?

1082
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Speaker 22: He said, well, there's twelve thousand people in a Defense Force,

1083
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Speaker 22: a bit of a microcosm of New Zealand, and there's

1084
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Speaker 22: some truth in that. But you know, the environment in

1085
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 22: New Zealanders changing, the expectations are changing, and Admiral is

1086
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Speaker 22: the Admiral is very much aware of us.

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Speaker 3: So we've got this directive which says, you know, ty

1088
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Speaker 3: hoe on the drinking. That's all well and good. But

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Speaker 3: of course the Defense Force are currently restructuring staff as

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Speaker 3: part of the government's war on public spending, and there

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Speaker 3: have been concerns that many of their services might get cut.

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Speaker 3: There have been concerns in the media about SAPRAA, which

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Speaker 3: is the sexual assault Prevention and Response Advisor within the

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Speaker 3: Defense Force, having a cut and funding. The question is,

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Speaker 3: rather than doing an order, shouldn't we in fact be

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Speaker 3: increasing basically response agencies within the Defense Force to deal

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Speaker 3: with the problem and a basic level right at where

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Speaker 3: it starts.

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Speaker 22: Well, the first step, and that is in fact the order.

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Speaker 22: I think they will be doing a lot more of that.

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Speaker 22: I mean change, doing expectations, giving briefings, giving counseling, getting

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Speaker 22: the things done that actually reduces these problems. I imagine

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Speaker 22: the issue is really about people in uniform, which really

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Speaker 22: embarrasses an avy thing. Oh the Defense Force generally, the

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00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 22: things go awry, and he's doing the right thing. He's

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Speaker 22: setting up expectations, and I would anticipate there will be

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Speaker 22: some changes just there as there is in general society.

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Speaker 3: Wayne, I thank you for your time today, Former Defense

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Speaker 3: Minister way Map on newstalks here b. It is now

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Speaker 3: eighteen to six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty Unique Homes

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Speaker 1: uniquely for you.

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Speaker 3: So on the huddle today we've got Ellie Jones from

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Speaker 3: red PR and Tim Wilson from the Maximum Institute. Ladies

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Speaker 3: and gentlemen, good afternoon. The issue d jure, the BEG issue.

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Speaker 3: Did our emergency management go overboard during the tsunami alerts overnight?

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Speaker 3: And we'll start with you, Tim, you have a minute.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, I mean I think emergency management continues to undermine

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Speaker 23: its credibility. We saw that in Auckland with some of

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Speaker 23: the recent rain warnings that came through. I mean, once

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Speaker 23: you start sending out alert about an earthquake on the

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Speaker 23: other side of the world, I mean, wouldn't you wait

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Speaker 23: till at least Hawaii or if he g got tsunamid?

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Speaker 23: And I do see that there was a surge that

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Speaker 23: hit I think it was the Chatham Islands. It was

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Speaker 23: one point zero meters. We've calculated that would affect our

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Speaker 23: toddler Otto. He's two and a half and he doesn't

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Speaker 23: have a phone. So what are you going to do

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00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 23: about him?

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00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 3: We're going to give him a surfboard? What do you say?

1131
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, was it overboard?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 3: Was it the excessive?

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Speaker 24: I don't entirely agree with Tim on this. I think

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Speaker 24: it comes down to what is reasonable. And I'm not

1136
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Speaker 24: an expert in the area of how far an eight

1137
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 24: point to earthquake can travel. I don't think anyone is

1138
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Speaker 24: because we have so few of them, and I think

1139
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Speaker 24: that's the issue. You know, it's one of the largest

1140
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Speaker 24: we've ever seen we're now seeing it rebound off South America.

1141
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Speaker 24: I understand. So they took a precautionary approach, and I

1142
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Speaker 24: think that's reasonable. I think the issue is the number

1143
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Speaker 24: of alerts. And I have to say, as you mentioned, Andrew,

1144
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 24: the communication is not great. I do think mister Price

1145
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 24: needs some communication training to be frank. Look, he's had

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00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 24: a leading role in police responses to emergencies, including the

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00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 24: earthquakes here in christ Church, the Port Hills fires, the

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Speaker 24: terrorist attacks as well, so he knows his stuff. But

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Speaker 24: let's have someone who can be succinct, clear and direct

1150
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 24: when they're talking to us. And I think if we

1151
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 24: get that sorted, it will help the credibility.

1152
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 23: Andrew, I know just the person who can help. Allie Jones,

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Speaker 23: red pr right.

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Speaker 24: That was not an ad.

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Speaker 23: That is so good.

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Speaker 19: That was free.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk about Navy people drinking, in fact,

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Speaker 3: all the defense forces drinking. Right after the break. This

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Speaker 3: is the huddle with Alie Jones and Tim Wilson. This

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Speaker 3: is NEWSTALKSB the huddle with.

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Speaker 1: New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. The ones unlassed.

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Speaker 3: Results from the text ninety two ninety two Small Charge

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Speaker 3: of Plays after the interview, I have no faith in

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Speaker 3: the head of our Civil Defense John Price. It was

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00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 3: that bad, yes, And don't worry, there's just as many

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00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 3: text saying that I was rude and arrogant because they

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Speaker 3: got frustrated at his lack of answers.

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Speaker 9: But there we go. We're in the huddle.

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Speaker 3: We've got Allie Jones and Tim Wilson. And the next issue,

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Speaker 3: ladies and gentlemen, is the Chief of Navy has ordered

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Speaker 3: keep we say is to stop drinking irresponsibly, saying that

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Speaker 3: their drinking is undermining the professionalism and the reputation of

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Speaker 3: the Navy and the Defense Force. And I think it's

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Speaker 3: got to a very bad state when Ali the Rear Admiral,

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Speaker 3: has to do in order to stop drinking, rather than

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Speaker 3: putting in support services to stop people from drinking.

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Speaker 24: I don't think you can assume what to what point

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Speaker 24: it's got Andrew. I think that actually getting in before

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Speaker 24: it gets to that point is the smart thing to do.

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Speaker 24: And I think they could be front footing this before

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Speaker 24: it gets to that point. I'm so well done to them.

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Speaker 24: I heard what Judas Collins said, and I agree with her,

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Speaker 24: because you know, put something out like this they know

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Speaker 24: it's going to be a new story, they know it's

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00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 24: going to put the spotlight on them, and that people

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Speaker 24: will be looking for incidents now to show what you've

1187
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Speaker 24: just said that it's got to a really bad, bad point.

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Speaker 24: So you know, they have footed this knowing that they

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Speaker 24: could be throwing themselves open to really close scrutiny. But

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Speaker 24: just one thing that's really important about this is this

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Speaker 24: should highlight the wider societal issue with alcohol. You know,

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Speaker 24: we hear this a lot sometimes, you know, pregnant women

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Speaker 24: warn not to drink, the effects of fetal alcohol syndrome

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Speaker 24: and so forth. This is a bigger societal issue and

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Speaker 24: I want that talked about more rather than just you

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Speaker 24: know about the navy here.

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Speaker 3: And this is true. And also Tim, this is the thing.

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Speaker 3: We've got twelve thousand people in the Defense Force. We

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Speaker 3: ask them to a job that most people wouldn't have

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Speaker 3: the guts or the walls to do in the first place.

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Speaker 3: And yes, there's a lot of drinking, and yes there

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Speaker 3: is a lot of sexual abuse, and there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of violence, so that there's a lot of shenanigans going on.

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Speaker 3: But it's important to control these things within a forced

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Speaker 3: to keep the discipline.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, yeah, and that's I think that's this is the typical.

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Speaker 23: This is the way that a Navy would respond to something.

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Speaker 23: They first give an order, and as Wayne Map said,

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Speaker 23: I think that order is the beginning of a process.

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Speaker 23: I just observed that there seems to be a cluster

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Speaker 23: of bad behavior. So I don't know if the drinking

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Speaker 23: is a cause or a symptom, but I will note

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Speaker 23: that there's no drinking allowed while at sea or anchored.

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Speaker 23: These are onshore issues and historically, actually we're quite boozy.

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Speaker 23: I looked it up. He Zild was the last navy

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Speaker 23: in the world to stop a daily tot of rum

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Speaker 23: and that was stopped on the twenty eight to February

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Speaker 23: nineteen ninety.

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Speaker 21: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And the problem is with how forces have mad mondays

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Speaker 3: when they come ashore in Singapore and they go, look

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Speaker 3: at that, we're off the ship. What are we going

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Speaker 3: to do now?

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Speaker 6: You know?

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Speaker 3: But I can tell you that it's a big problem

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Speaker 3: in many areas because I hear the cannons going off

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Speaker 3: whenever the court martials are happening at the Devenport Naval Base,

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Speaker 3: and it happens an awful lot. There's an awful lot

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Speaker 3: of offending within the Navy, and it's based on drink,

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Speaker 3: and it's based on sexual abuse and all sorts of things.

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Speaker 3: And I know there's already sexual abuse support agencies within

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Speaker 3: the Defense Force, and I just wondered whether they've actually

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Speaker 3: got on top of drinking earlier. But yeah, they've done

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Speaker 3: the order, so there's a good thing. So Allie, the

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Speaker 3: leader of Gloria Vale is officially a sex offender. Is

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Speaker 3: it time to close that place down?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 3: My god?

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Speaker 22: Yes?

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Speaker 24: Did you see Brian Henry last night? Outstanding? I had

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Speaker 24: to lay it on the table here. I've worked for

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Speaker 24: the last three years with the lawyers and Brian and

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Speaker 24: the team supporting the leavers, doing it pro bow, no

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Speaker 24: no payment or anything. I just want to help them out.

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Speaker 24: And you know, I texted Brian last night after I.

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Speaker 19: Saw that on the news.

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Speaker 24: He was bristling. I have never seen him that angry

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Speaker 24: in the three years i've worked with him. This is

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Speaker 24: a sex cult and that's something that Brian and the

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Speaker 24: team have been saying for ages now. This was operating

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Speaker 24: under Cindra A Dune's government. Now they made huge efforts

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Speaker 24: in that government to address overseas slavery, protect children, and

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Speaker 24: here we've got it going on on the west coast

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Speaker 24: of New Zealand.

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Speaker 19: Oh we'll see.

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Speaker 3: Ali, Elli, hold on, you're coming and go, you're coming

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Speaker 3: and going.

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Speaker 24: I'm cutting out there now, am I here?

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Speaker 23: Now?

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Speaker 11: Okay?

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Speaker 24: Yeah, so what they should have closed it down, But

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01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 24: what they need to do is put supports in place.

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Speaker 24: There are people in there who have been in there

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Speaker 24: from the day they were born, and their parents as well.

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Speaker 24: It's generational now, so they've got to close it down,

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Speaker 24: but they have to do it carefully and put the

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Speaker 24: supports around it.

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Speaker 3: Tim.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, look, I've gone back and fall on this. I

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Speaker 23: agree with Ali, But then I think, okay, so they're

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Speaker 23: closing it down. What does shutting Gloria Veil down actually

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Speaker 23: look like? Does it mean taking the land? Doesn't mean

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Speaker 23: driving a tank through the front of the place that

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Speaker 23: starts to trammelf some really big freedoms, freedom of association,

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Speaker 23: freedom of religion, property rights, all of that stuff. Now

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Speaker 23: when the last battle.

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Speaker 3: It also means, you know, liberating people who have been

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Speaker 3: enslaved from childhood and.

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Speaker 24: The sex abuse, the slavery stops.

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Speaker 23: I get that, And Gloria Vale has been subject to

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Speaker 23: the law. There was you know, from August twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 23: twenty twenty two oring a Samriiki MSD et cetera, where

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Speaker 23: getting reports out of Glory of Veil. That stopped in

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Speaker 23: December twenty twenty three. I would say, get that happening again.

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Speaker 23: But I think it's a bad precedent. Yes, it's a

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Speaker 23: place for some real problems, and there are real victims.

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Speaker 23: But I don't think shulling it down will solve that.

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01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 24: I don't think they don't. They shouldn't be getting any

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01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 24: more chances when they stop that reporting back at that

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Speaker 24: at the end of twenty did you say twenty three time?

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Speaker 24: I couldn't remember where twenty twenty three happened twenty Yeah.

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Speaker 24: I mean, there is enough that has gone on here.

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Speaker 24: This is not the first sexual sort of predator that

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Speaker 24: we've seen in that place. The school doesn't operate because

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01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 24: they can't teach them. The women are told what to

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Speaker 24: think and what to do. I mean, just look at

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Speaker 24: the documentary. I cannot believe. I still say I cannot

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Speaker 24: believe that this is still going on in New Zealand.

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Speaker 24: They need to close it down, and they need to

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Speaker 24: close it down now.

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Speaker 10: I'm with you.

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Speaker 3: I'm with you totally as well.

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Speaker 9: Ali.

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Speaker 3: I've seen evidence and evidence and bits on the TV.

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Speaker 3: I've said it all the time, and I've seen the

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Speaker 3: horror that people have seen this, and you've explained it. Well,

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Speaker 3: you're right, Brian explained it well last night. And so yeah,

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Speaker 3: i'd say it's about time, and I'd like to thank

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Speaker 3: both of you because time is up on the huddle

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Speaker 3: for Ali Jones and Tim Wilson. And this is News TALKSB.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Dupers Alan Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Heart Radio powered by News Talks EB.

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Speaker 3: Talks B. Gloria vale Ben says that place has been

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Speaker 3: there since the late eighties. Our friends sold that farm

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Speaker 3: to them. Because you heard Ali say, well, you know

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Speaker 3: it took root during the Labor administration, but did it really?

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Speaker 3: But certainly the Labor administration didn't take active steps against it.

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Speaker 3: But he heard even Tim. Tim came out and said,

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Speaker 3: well the problem is this the private property rights and

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Speaker 3: this freedom of association, et cetera, et cetera. But I

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Speaker 3: think after everything that we've seen in every story that

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Speaker 3: we've heard that's always made huge news in our media,

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Speaker 3: mainstream media and them all are stories of survivors talking

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Speaker 3: about exploitation, exploitation of their labor, exploitation of their freedom

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Speaker 3: to associate themselves, expectation of their beliefs in God, exploitation

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Speaker 3: of almost everything. And now we've got a guy who

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Speaker 3: ran the place who is a convicted sex offender, and

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Speaker 3: there's exploitation of child children and sexual ways and that's

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Speaker 3: all happening at glory of our So just shut it down.

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Speaker 3: Just shut it down. The concern about what do you

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Speaker 3: do put a bulldozer through it. No, you just requisition it.

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Speaker 3: And so under the Proceeds of Crime Act, don't you

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Speaker 3: and say, spread out people and offer them all the

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Speaker 3: support they can get because it was a cult and

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Speaker 3: their victims are manifold and we've met them in the

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Speaker 3: media time and time again. And this surely is the

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Speaker 3: straw that broke the camel's back, don't you think. Okay,

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Speaker 3: quite upset about that story, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 3: But there we go. After all of that gas exploration

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Speaker 3: of New Zealander's coming back or got pasted. Today the

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Speaker 3: Crown Mineral's Amendment Bill has passed its third reading. So

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Speaker 3: we'll get into it with the guy who actually is

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Speaker 3: what he's talking about. John Carnegie Energy Resources our tail

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Speaker 3: Raw chief executive will be joining us after the News

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Speaker 3: and sport, which is mixed here on News Talks Hit

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Speaker 3: B I'm Andrew Dickens and for Heather, you'll see.

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Speaker 2: You sist movies.

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Speaker 17: Also, I don't know what else I can do.

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Speaker 3: So I get that with my Hi.

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Speaker 15: Hi quote, who get in?

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Speaker 2: Quote?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 2: I get that in with my.

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Speaker 1: We're Business meets Insight the Business Hour with Andrew Dickens

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Speaker 1: and mes for Trust at Home Insurance Solutions, Use Talks.

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Speaker 24: Hit be.

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Speaker 3: Good evening, Welcome to the program.

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Speaker 20: I'm Andrew Dickens.

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Speaker 3: I'm here until seven till again for She'll be back

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Speaker 3: tomorrow with a bit of luck and a following When

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Speaker 3: did is seven minutes after six? Should we close down

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Speaker 3: Gloria Vale because the leader of Gloria Vale is now

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Speaker 3: a convicted sex offender and we've had the litany of

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Speaker 3: problems from labor expectation and more. That's your question for today.

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Speaker 3: Ninety two ninety two that's the text. Small charge does

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Speaker 3: apply apply. But first offshoil oil and gas exploration in

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Speaker 3: New Zealand is no longer banned. The Crown Mineral's Amendment

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Speaker 3: Bill has passed its third reading in Parliament this afternoon.

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Speaker 3: So John Carnegie is Energy Resources All Tailor O, Chief

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Speaker 3: Executive and John joins. So now, hello John, Hello, good evening.

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Speaker 3: You welcome this, Oh, we most certainly do. What does

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Speaker 3: this change for the oil and gas businesses operating in

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Speaker 3: New Zealand.

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Speaker 8: Well, it's important to start by saying the only way

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Speaker 8: for economic growths through energy abundance in natural gas as

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Speaker 8: a critical role to play in achieving this. And look,

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Speaker 8: we've all felt the of an energy shortage over the

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Speaker 8: last couple of years in terms of the threat of

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Speaker 8: electricity blackouts, factory closures and high prices. And actually we

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Speaker 8: don't need to stay on this path and this bill

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Speaker 8: reflects a change of path. Look, it definitely changes the

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Speaker 8: outlook for the better. And of course it's not a

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Speaker 8: silver bullet, but combined with the nature of the changes

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Speaker 8: and it it sends a positive signal that New Zealand

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Speaker 8: is serious about attracting capital back into the sector. Again.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, but as you say, it's not a silver bullet

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Speaker 3: because here's the thing. Lots of expiration has happened over

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Speaker 3: the last thirty years. But the fines have been minimal.

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Speaker 3: Is this really? Is there really a fortune underneath our feet?

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Speaker 8: I look, New Zealand is highly prospective in terms of

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Speaker 8: oil and gas.

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Speaker 22: The part of the.

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Speaker 8: Problem, particularly over the last or since the band the

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Speaker 8: last seven years, is that the oil and gas has

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Speaker 8: been confined to their existing mature and near end of

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Speaker 8: life fields, and so it gets harder and harder, and

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Speaker 8: also the incentive to invest diminishes when effectively an entire

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Speaker 8: sector is told that they're not welcome anymore.

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Speaker 3: So we're hopeful, You're hopeful. Are you relatively confident that,

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Speaker 3: in fact there could be another find which will extend

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Speaker 3: the life of our natural gas fields, in particular because

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Speaker 3: that's used in so many industries and it's used by

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Speaker 3: so many people for cooking, and if that goes, we're

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Speaker 3: then solely dependent on electricity. So are you confident, not

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Speaker 3: just hopeful, but confidence there are more gas? There is

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Speaker 3: more gas to be found.

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Speaker 8: Oh, look, there is most certainly more gas to be found.

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Speaker 8: In the spell gives us the chance to do that.

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Speaker 8: I mean, for years now, the messages our settings have

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Speaker 8: been sending to both domestic oil and gas producers and

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Speaker 8: international investors as don't bother you're not welcome. So we're

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Speaker 8: now starting to tell a very different story, one that

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Speaker 8: an invites capital and capability back into the country.

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Speaker 3: Are you expecting that capital to come back? You know,

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Speaker 3: having had the set back, having thought okay, let's just

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Speaker 3: right New Zealand off the agenda, do you think they

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Speaker 3: will come back or do you think they will be

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Speaker 3: gun shy?

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Speaker 8: Well again, we're hopeful that now that we've got different

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Speaker 8: regulatory and commercial settings that investors will start to reassess

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Speaker 8: New Zealand is a place to invest and look more

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Speaker 8: favorably on doing so.

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Speaker 3: But what happens if Labour wins the next election, and

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Speaker 3: will they slap the band right back on? And then

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Speaker 3: we'll our overseas agencies who actually found this sort of

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Speaker 3: thing already be thinking that and thinking, well, no, it's

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Speaker 3: going to take a long time for us to earn

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Speaker 3: their trust back.

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Speaker 8: Oh well, look, I mean I think the sector is

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Speaker 8: it's more than happy to work with whoever is on

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Speaker 8: government to to assure them that they can do their

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Speaker 8: activity in an environmental sound way. It can do it

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Speaker 8: in a way that protects the risks to tax bars

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Speaker 8: and in fact do it in a way that keeps

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Speaker 8: our factories humming internationally competitive in our household's able to

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Speaker 8: afford energy. So you know, I think there's a range

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Speaker 8: of positive benefits from greater expiration.

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Speaker 3: Now this new Crowd Minerals Amendment Bill, there was a

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Speaker 3: late change around the liability for decommissioning oil and gas operations.

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Speaker 3: And there's been coverage this week about the two E

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Speaker 3: find and Tarlannaki that was financed by Tamarind out of Midlaysia,

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Speaker 3: and they went broke and then they walked away, and

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Speaker 3: they didn't decommission and they didn't clean up, and so

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Speaker 3: the taxpayers ended out with a three hundred million dollar charge.

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Speaker 3: We then changed the laws to make sure that the

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Speaker 3: operators were then liable for them. Mess is there a

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Speaker 3: risk that taxpayers could end out having a Tamarin situation

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Speaker 3: back on their hands again in the future.

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Speaker 8: Well, first of all, I think we should point out

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Speaker 8: that Tamaran was able to come into the country via

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Speaker 8: a legislative loophole which was closed. So regulators actually do

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Speaker 8: their job properly, we'll only get permit holders who are

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Speaker 8: financially robust. But the thing that the tamar And instance

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Speaker 8: highlighted was the need to manage financial risk appropriately, and

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Speaker 8: that's what this set of reforms aims to do. The

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Speaker 8: industry clearly supports a more discretionary, case by case approach

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Speaker 8: to decommissioning because the risks aren't the same across all

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Speaker 8: permit holders. So you know, what's important is that this

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Speaker 8: bill will now act strikes the right balance protecting tax

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Speaker 8: payers while still allowing investment in the infrastructure we need.

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Speaker 3: Well, John Kennie, I presume it's a very good day

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Speaker 3: to you, and I thank you very much for your

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Speaker 3: time today. John, is the energy resources are here or

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Speaker 3: a chief executive? And this is new stalks there be

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Speaker 3: Should Gloria Vale be closed now that their leader has

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Speaker 3: been found to be a sex offender and we've had

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Speaker 3: the numerous other exploitation charges that have been backed up

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Speaker 3: in a court of aw So what's your thoughts, well, Text,

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Speaker 3: The problem is that your condemnation of Glory Vale is

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Speaker 3: based on what you saw and were told on the TV.

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Speaker 3: And I stopped believing anything I saw on the TV

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Speaker 3: after it was manipulated by the government over COVID. Okay,

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Speaker 3: all right, you need to go there and see it

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Speaker 3: for yourself. Every commune has this kind of overfamiliar living

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Speaker 3: and shared assets going on. Is it because it's religious

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Speaker 3: that it is so wrong?

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Speaker 23: Well?

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Speaker 3: No sexual exploitation of children is just wrong, full stop,

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Speaker 3: in a community that operates outside of society on a

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Speaker 3: farm and West coast is what I think. My Texas says.

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Speaker 3: There is always a few bad eggs in the tray,

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Speaker 3: only those that are left kicking up the stink and

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Speaker 3: the rest quite content with their lot. Nah, you have

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Speaker 3: to go there to find out. But maybe you have,

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Speaker 3: and Andrew Reeve Goyvel. Unfortunately that group, tribe, gang, organization,

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Speaker 3: church isn't the only one that suffers many of those

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Speaker 3: human failings. And ain't that the truth? It is six

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Speaker 3: point fifteen. How's farmer confidence? Sky high? More on this

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Speaker 3: with Hamish Mackay from the Country.

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Speaker 1: Next on newstalk'sb It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive

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Speaker 3: It is coming up eighteen minutes after six and running

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Speaker 3: the Country dot co dot in zead This week for

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Speaker 3: versus Hamish Mackay who joins us. Now ready to talk

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Speaker 3: to you again, Hamish, and can I say you're looking good?

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Speaker 25: Oh see here fifty five kilos off does help the

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Speaker 25: old get the old carcass around, if you know what

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Speaker 25: I mean.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Now, you guys have been talking about a rural

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Speaker 3: rural divide. We've heard about the rural urban divibe, but

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Speaker 3: this as a rural rural divide. Are you trying to

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Speaker 3: suggest that farmers are not of one mind?

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Speaker 23: Yes?

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Speaker 25: Well, you know, the egg Proud organization came out quite

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Speaker 25: a a year or two ago and said, look, there

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Speaker 25: is no one way, but we have to be one,

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Speaker 25: you know, if we want to if farmers want to

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Speaker 25: make some real progress here. And there's nothing wrong with

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Speaker 25: farm gate prices at the moment, but they'd never be

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Speaker 25: agreeing enough so to speak, to put together something like

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Speaker 25: the Dutch with as a farmer's party that actually gets

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Speaker 25: into parliament.

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Speaker 22: It's a little bit of tall poppy.

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Speaker 2: There was too great.

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Speaker 25: A great example was Jeff Ross's and Jeff and Justin

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Speaker 25: Ross's Lake harwe are stationed where they had the They

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01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 25: had the mattresses at the bottom of the shearing porthole

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01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 25: and the sheep went down, and rural New Zealand just

1521
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 25: went into this you know, off the wall kind of

1522
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 25: attack on what who really cares? And then a week

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01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 25: later the beautiful ruinery station which has run just north

1524
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 25: of Tire, happy old school traditional farm, well it turns

1525
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 25: out that the Lake harwere and it couldn't be more

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01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 25: different in some people's eyes, but in fact that they

1527
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 25: share so many of the same sort of ideas and principles,

1528
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:10,639
Speaker 25: and so you know, it's it is not to be fair.

1529
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:12,720
Speaker 25: It is not a united front out there in the

1530
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 25: rural space, and it probably needs to be.

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01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 3: And to be fair, Jeoff Ross had the last laugh

1532
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 3: about how we are stationed as well, because only weeks

1533
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 3: after that, Conde Nas came out and gave them a

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01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 3: five star rating for their accommodation facilities and basically they're

1535
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 3: they're turning a profit where many New Zealand farms aren't.

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01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:27,640
Speaker 6: You know.

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01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 3: So hello, and I did rather like the white shade

1538
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 3: that they painted their shearing shed so you can see

1539
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 3: the blood splashes.

1540
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 25: Yes, you know, look look, you know, I mean, how

1541
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:38,600
Speaker 25: could you you know?

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01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 6: I just I love what they do there.

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01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 25: It's different, but it's still great.

1544
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, now we've got a farmer confidence survey out this

1545
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 3: week and farmers are pretty happy.

1546
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,600
Speaker 25: Look, dairy farmers a huge lift in their confidence and

1548
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:55,439
Speaker 25: they are at that plus ten dollars per kilogram of

1549
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 25: milk solids, which can represent a pretty good year for

1550
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 25: those who produce at a good level. Sheep and beef

1551
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 25: and lamb. Lamb's being very strong, beef, very very strong.

1552
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 25: So though the confidence across those sectors is definitely out,

1553
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 25: not so much for the grain and the seed and

1554
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:15,599
Speaker 25: the arable guys that they are struggling a little bit

1555
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 25: and their confidence is down just their the volatility of

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01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 25: the global market for them. And also there's you know,

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01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 25: things like you know, having to deal with pests and

1558
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 25: disease and then yet we get an outfit like Bayer

1559
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 25: having to shut down the New Zealand Research Development arm

1560
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 25: and so you know, a fear few challenges for our

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01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 25: arable farmers. But you'd have to say, across the board,

1562
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:38,800
Speaker 25: farmer confidence definitely up.

1563
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 3: And that's a good thing because it all flows through

1564
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 3: And I thank you very much. Hemus Mackay from the

1565
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 3: Country The Country dot co dot nz, your foremost source

1566
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 3: of rural news on the webband on the radio, and

1567
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 3: it is now six twenty one, So great questions, Andrew

1568
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,599
Speaker 3: to that guy from from the oil and gas industry.

1569
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 3: If I were an investor, writes this texture, I would

1570
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 3: be gun, shy and wary of political expediency. There is

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01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 3: no guaranteed future because the government could change and both

1572
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 3: both the two sides of government are at absolutely diametrically

1573
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:11,679
Speaker 3: opposed positions, aren't they. So what's the use of actually

1574
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 3: saying yes, you could do it now when they're looking

1575
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 3: at you, going well, if the next if labor gets

1576
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 3: back in, it's a no. They will do it. They

1577
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 3: will invest if they feel that they're onto a sure thing.

1578
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 3: But I don't think New Zealand's mineral resources that have

1579
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 3: been untapped so far such a sure thing. So we'll

1580
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 3: wait to see. And the only real answer we'll have

1581
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 3: is when we finally have bipartisan support for oil and

1582
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 3: gas exploration in this country, something you could tell from

1583
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 3: the debate this week we do not have. It is

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01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 3: six twenty two.

1585
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 2: En crunching the numbers has been getting the results.

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01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 1: It's Andrew dickens s width of the Business hour and

1587
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 1: mass for trusted home insurance solutions and news talks, that'd be.

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01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 3: There goes my hero food fighters. Hey he's ordinary. What

1589
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 3: a great soul, what a great bands? Band without a drummer.

1590
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:24,599
Speaker 3: So the band has had trouble replacing the original drummer,

1591
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 3: Taylor Hawkins, after his death in twenty twenty two. The

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01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 3: first guy that they got to replace it was Oliver

1593
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 3: Oliver Hawkins who was Taylor's son, and he did a

1594
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 3: very good job at the tribute concert and everyone went, oh,

1595
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 3: wouldn't it be great if you know Taylor's son took over.

1596
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 3: But now he's too young and too an experience. And

1597
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 3: the problem with this band is it's led by a drummer.

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01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 3: Dave Grohl has a lot of thoughts about how the

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01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:48,519
Speaker 3: drumming should go. So the guy they actually chose as

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01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 3: a guy called Josh Freeze, but he was there go

1601
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 3: from the band via a phone call in May of

1602
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 3: this year. Now, there was no risen reason given for

1603
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 3: his firing except for a desire for the band to

1604
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 3: go in a different direction. But I'll tell you what

1605
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 3: the problem was with Josh Freese. He had his own ideas,

1606
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 3: he had his own mind. He wouldn't do just what

1607
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:09,679
Speaker 3: Dave grohle would tell him to do because he's played

1608
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 3: in a lot of other bands, so they decided he's

1609
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 3: not right. Now, they've announced they're going to have a

1610
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 3: new drummer, and the drummer's name is Ian Rubin. Now,

1611
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 3: Ruben has been drumming for nine Inch Nails for the

1612
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 3: past sixteen years, so I'm pretty sure he's going to

1613
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 3: have his own mind about drumming too, Dave. He's also

1614
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:30,639
Speaker 3: the youngest ever inductee into the Rock and Roll Hall

1615
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:32,519
Speaker 3: of Fame at the age of thirty two. And I'm

1616
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 3: going to play you a little bit of Ian Rubin drumming. Yeah, now,

1617
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 3: I'll tell you the problem with that. Dave Grohl is

1618
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:56,799
Speaker 3: a four and the flour basic thumper of the drums,

1619
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 3: like animal from the Muppets. Right, he wouldn't do any

1620
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 3: of that. See Fancy Philly Philly Diggo did too many

1621
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:04,720
Speaker 3: notes at Mozart's sort of drumming and rubbish than Ian

1622
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 3: Ribbin just did. So I reckon that Ian Rubin's got

1623
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 3: barely little chance of surviving more than one t of it.

1624
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 3: Will wait to see. The Food Fighters are celebrating their

1625
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 3: thirtieth anniversary this year. They will released some new music

1626
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 3: earlier this month. I hope that they come back because

1627
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 3: they always put on a good show. Now, look, I've

1628
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 3: got a bit more time. I can tell you some

1629
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:22,320
Speaker 3: more rock and roll news. It's just been announced that

1630
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 3: David Gilmore from Pink Floyd will release a new concert

1631
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:28,800
Speaker 3: film from his shows at Rome Circus Maximus last year.

1632
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:30,720
Speaker 3: There's going to be a live album too. I'll tell

1633
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 3: you the story behind that. I was in Rome when

1634
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:36,439
Speaker 3: David Gilmour was playing at the Circus Maximus. I went

1635
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:39,680
Speaker 3: to buy tickets. They were five hundred euro apop, so

1636
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,640
Speaker 3: instead I went a few blocks back and listened to

1637
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:46,720
Speaker 3: it echoing through the hills of Rome. Ah yeah, but

1638
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 3: a very good show. I've seen a video from it.

1639
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 3: Very good show, David Gilmour. It's going to be called

1640
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:53,839
Speaker 3: the luck and Strange to live at the Circus Maximus.

1641
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:56,959
Speaker 3: We got news is for next.

1642
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 9: Boom boom boom boom boom boom.

1643
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:07,640
Speaker 2: Whether it's Macro micro or just playing economics.

1644
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with Andrew Dickens and

1645
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 1: Mez for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions, News Talks, Envy.

1646
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:25,679
Speaker 3: Welcome back. It is twenty five to seven. I'm Andrew

1647
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 3: Dickens takes three. Dave Grohl is a great drummer. You'll

1648
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:33,599
Speaker 3: have no arguments for me there. He's awesome, relatively untrained.

1649
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:35,720
Speaker 3: He had a drum teacher for a little while, but

1650
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 3: then here for you know what this drum teacher, his

1651
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:41,679
Speaker 3: first drum teacher, taught Dave grohll to do to drum

1652
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:45,240
Speaker 3: holding the drum sticks at the handle part and not

1653
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 3: at the drumming part, because he used to drum the

1654
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 3: other way round. Oh that's interesting. But he has his

1655
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 3: own style which is not classically trained. And I think

1656
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 3: you'll find the new music that's coming out from Food

1657
01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 3: Fighters will have Dave as the drummer because Ian Rubin

1658
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:03,599
Speaker 3: hadn't joined at that stage. Ian Ruben is a session

1659
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 3: musician who's been brought in for a tour. I would say,

1660
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:07,720
Speaker 3: and I don't know how long he's going to start

1661
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:10,759
Speaker 3: because Dave Grohl, as the textas says, is a great drummer.

1662
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 3: Now to the alerts from Civil Defense. When I was

1663
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 3: interviewing John Price just after five o'clock, the director of

1664
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 3: Civil Defense, We're going along. He's man explaining to me

1665
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 3: what a tsunami is in an earthquake is and it

1666
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 3: was frustrating. Wanted to get to the actual issues of

1667
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 3: the day. And then in the middle of it, he

1668
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:31,880
Speaker 3: casually says, we had evacuations in the Bay of Plenty,

1669
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 3: and I went, who whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa?

1670
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 3: Did we I haven't heard about evacuations in the bay?

1671
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:36,800
Speaker 26: Penny?

1672
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 3: They did they actually move them out? Did it go

1673
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:40,759
Speaker 3: over the beaches? He said, no, there were some waves

1674
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:43,560
Speaker 3: on the beaches. We had evacuations. So the problem for

1675
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:46,360
Speaker 3: John Price is that we go and check these things.

1676
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 3: So we phoned the Civil Defense and the Bay of Plenty.

1677
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:53,280
Speaker 3: Here's a confusion thing. You have to phone the Civil

1678
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 3: Defense or NIMA, the National Emergency Management Authority or oh

1679
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:59,599
Speaker 3: who do you phone these? This is so many agencies. Anyway,

1680
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 3: we phone civil Defense in Bayoplaitier said did you evacuate

1681
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 3: people in the Bay of Planny? And they went, not

1682
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 3: that we know of, but you really should or ask

1683
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 3: the national organization. So I went, okay. So Producier Law

1684
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 3: goes and phones the National Organization. Excuse me, did you

1685
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:15,720
Speaker 3: really evacuate people in the Bay of Plenty because of

1686
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 3: the tsunami? And they said, we don't know. You'd have

1687
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:22,160
Speaker 3: to ask the Bay a penny people. We've already asked

1688
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:24,559
Speaker 3: the Bay of Pledty people and they said that they didn't.

1689
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:27,600
Speaker 3: So what do you want to say to that? And

1690
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 3: they said, we'll just leave it at that. So John Price,

1691
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 3: the Director of the Civil Defense, told me there was

1692
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 3: an evacuation in the Bay of Plenty that his own

1693
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 3: organization cannot confirm. Now does that give you trust in

1694
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:47,600
Speaker 3: the organization and management of civil defense when there's that

1695
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 3: level of miscommunication? I guess I don't know. Or and

1696
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 3: that the National Director of Civil Defense comes onto this

1697
01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:58,479
Speaker 3: program and says something that nobody can confirm.

1698
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 9: Yucks.

1699
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 3: It is twenty two to seven, Dickens, more than halfway

1700
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 3: through the year. It's been a pretty extraordinary year for

1701
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 3: the market so far. Huge market uncertainty, the rise and

1702
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:13,719
Speaker 3: rise of AI and all sorts of stuff, the ongoing recession.

1703
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 3: So anyway, let's talk about what investors should have learned

1704
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 3: and what we might see in the second half. And

1705
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 3: I'm joined now by Sam Dickey from Fisher Funds. Hello, Sam, Andrew,

1706
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:25,960
Speaker 3: Good evening. So how normal abnormal? Has this year been.

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01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:29,840
Speaker 2: Quite abnormal? I would say so.

1708
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 26: The biggest pickup in volatility and the sharpest correction in

1709
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:36,320
Speaker 26: equity since the depths of COVID, And for that brief

1710
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 26: period after Donald's Liberation Day, sentiment and equity markets was

1711
01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:44,360
Speaker 26: at its lowest EBB for quarter of a century. And

1712
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 26: when you think about the three big drivers of the game,

1713
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 26: so growth, inflation, and interest rates, it's been a fair

1714
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:53,920
Speaker 26: bit of abnormality there too. So inflation has continued to

1715
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 26: behave well and it's slowed from sort of four and

1716
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 26: a half percent globally to three and a half, but

1717
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:02,599
Speaker 26: interest have not played ball. So it's very very rare

1718
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:05,680
Speaker 26: for US medium and long term interest rates to be

1719
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 26: higher now than they were at the start of the

1720
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 26: central bank rate cutting cycle. And that's partly due to

1721
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 26: fears that whatever tariffs are eventually implementabile drive up inflation.

1722
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 26: It's partly because of Trump meddling with the independence of

1723
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 26: the Federal Reserve independence and trying to force them to

1724
01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:26,840
Speaker 26: cut rates early, and partly because people trust the US

1725
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 26: a little less. And the other thing is, despite this

1726
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 26: once in a generation trade war, the US bombing three

1727
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:36,080
Speaker 26: nuclear sites in Iran resulting in a twenty percent spike

1728
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Speaker 26: in oil prices, and all those other abnormal events. Equity

1729
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:41,599
Speaker 26: markets have smashed for all tam highs again.

1730
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, of course, the chair of the United States Federal Reserve,

1731
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 3: Jerome Powell, has made a decision today to hold US

1732
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:53,479
Speaker 3: interest rates. So he's still concerned aboutenphation, isn't he and

1733
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:54,719
Speaker 3: the effect of the tarffs.

1734
01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:58,519
Speaker 26: Yeah, that's right, And he's not buckling to the political

1735
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:01,080
Speaker 26: pressure that Trump is putting on. I think Trump's called

1736
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 26: him a loser and he's going to make another mistake.

1737
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:06,479
Speaker 26: I think he might have even called him stupid at

1738
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:09,680
Speaker 26: some stage, which is quite ironic actually, So, yeah, he

1739
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 26: hasn't buckled depression. And that's critical because the independence of

1740
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:16,439
Speaker 26: a central bank from politics is absolutely critical to the

1741
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:19,679
Speaker 26: credibility of a nation. And the very fact that Trump

1742
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 26: is meddling and there is a probability that Jerome Power

1743
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 26: would buckle to that pressure is one of the reasons

1744
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 26: why we see interest rates in the US sort of

1745
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:31,720
Speaker 26: abnormally high at this point in the cutting cycle. And

1746
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 26: it's one of the reasons why I've seen such a

1747
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:34,080
Speaker 26: weak US dollar.

1748
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:36,720
Speaker 3: And meanwhile, the nasid prices and equity prices, I know,

1749
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 3: I know some people have made a fortune enough rocket

1750
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 3: there because business continues. They got some contracts. So some

1751
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:46,640
Speaker 3: of our equities are soaring, others are sinking. It's all

1752
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 3: over the shop, that's right.

1753
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:52,679
Speaker 26: And you mentioned AI at the start, and that big

1754
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:54,720
Speaker 26: trade got a bit over its ski. He's a bit

1755
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:57,640
Speaker 26: bubbly late last year turned from boom to bus for

1756
01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:00,840
Speaker 26: a while. You might remember we talked about it on

1757
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:02,800
Speaker 26: this program. The straw that broke the camel's back back

1758
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:05,559
Speaker 26: in January February was that that Chinese company Deep Seek

1759
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 26: could allegedly build an AI model a fraction of the

1760
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 26: cost of the US big tech guys, and in the

1761
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 26: AI trade got a real kicking during the trade spat

1762
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 26: with China.

1763
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:16,680
Speaker 2: Now that dust has cleared.

1764
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:20,760
Speaker 26: The Deep Seat claims were a little misleading, and corporates

1765
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:24,760
Speaker 26: around the world have really started clamoring for things like

1766
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 26: AI agents, which is a use case for all this

1767
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 26: investment in AI to answer calls or automotive simple processes.

1768
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 26: And the AI bubble is fully formed again. And actually Microsoft,

1769
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:39,200
Speaker 26: speaking of equities that are doing well, Andrew reported earnings

1770
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 26: a few hours ago and absolutely knocked it out of

1771
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:45,680
Speaker 26: the park. So their data center business is you're now

1772
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:48,320
Speaker 26: a huge business sort of one hundred billion dollar business

1773
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:52,599
Speaker 26: and growth is actually accelerating, so it's now growing forty

1774
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 26: percent as companies around the world rushed to implement AI

1775
01:28:57,320 --> 01:29:01,639
Speaker 26: and influence their AI models on is your okay?

1776
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:05,640
Speaker 3: So what an interesting first half? So what can we

1777
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 3: expect in the second half or is it expect the unexpected?

1778
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 26: Well, that's exactly what I would say, so that we

1779
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:15,280
Speaker 26: need to get used to this abnormality we seem to

1780
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 26: have once in multi decade events every couple of years.

1781
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 26: And I do think part of that is the global

1782
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 26: economy is still finding its feet after the savage shock

1783
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 26: of COVID believe it or not. Part of that is

1784
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 26: the pace of technological change, especially with AI set to

1785
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:31,760
Speaker 26: disrupt businesses around the world. Part of that is probably

1786
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 26: the political environment. But the lesson we did learn the

1787
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 26: first half and before we got into the second half

1788
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:41,560
Speaker 26: is don't sweat the macro too much. More often than not,

1789
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:43,439
Speaker 26: I'd say you've probably got a better seventy five percent

1790
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 26: hit rate on this is when extraordinary macro events happen,

1791
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 26: the market overreacts and it's a great buying opportunity for

1792
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 26: long term investors. As for the second half, it shouldn't

1793
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:58,679
Speaker 26: be ignored that sentiment has turned from that super bearish

1794
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 26: sentiment we talked about in April to now showing signs

1795
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:05,160
Speaker 26: of irrational exuberance. And when you consider in the second half,

1796
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:10,000
Speaker 26: we have to navigate, among other things, final clarity on

1797
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:13,720
Speaker 26: Trump's tariff outcomes for the globe on August first. See

1798
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 26: he doesn't give another grace period and economists think that

1799
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:19,880
Speaker 26: could still drag us or global growth by anywhere from

1800
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:21,800
Speaker 26: one to three percent. You shouldn't lose sight of the

1801
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:24,799
Speaker 26: fact that the water is certainly slotted to the bullish

1802
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:25,760
Speaker 26: end of the bathtub.

1803
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:28,439
Speaker 3: WHOA, what a lovely turn of phrase. And on that

1804
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 3: wonderful piece of English, we're going to leave you, Sam

1805
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:33,120
Speaker 3: Dicky from Fisher Funds, and thank you for your time today.

1806
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 3: And on the topic of Donald Trump, by the way,

1807
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:38,040
Speaker 3: apparently he's come out and said it if I leave

1808
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:40,879
Speaker 3: the where did you say, if I leave the warehouse?

1809
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:44,120
Speaker 3: That would be funny, wouldn't it. But when he leaves

1810
01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 3: the warehouse he says he'd like to be Scotland's Do

1811
01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:47,839
Speaker 3: I say warehouse?

1812
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 5: Sorry?

1813
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:51,560
Speaker 3: When he leaves the White House he would like to

1814
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:54,920
Speaker 3: be Scotland's leader. How Scotland feels about that. We'll find

1815
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:56,519
Speaker 3: out in a few mothers time with end of Brady.

1816
01:30:57,400 --> 01:31:00,679
Speaker 3: Now you want a piece of good news from September,

1817
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:03,840
Speaker 3: vintage light vehicles and private heavy homes motor homes will

1818
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:05,560
Speaker 3: only need to get a warrant of fitness or a

1819
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 3: certificate of fitness once a year. So this is the

1820
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 3: government's idea back in February. It's going to come in

1821
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:14,400
Speaker 3: by September. Vintage vehicles are cars and motorcycles over forty

1822
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:17,760
Speaker 3: years of age. Guess what. There are one hundred and

1823
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 3: twenty eight thousand vintage vehicles in New Zealand. We like

1824
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:24,240
Speaker 3: our old cars and we look after them. There's also

1825
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:28,960
Speaker 3: thirty nine thousand, thirty nine thousand private motor homes registered

1826
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:31,719
Speaker 3: in New Zealand. So we like to go dicky touring

1827
01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:33,720
Speaker 3: all around the country in our little mobile home and

1828
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 3: enjoying ourselves and the evidence, according to Chris Bishops, says

1829
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 3: that vintage vehicles and motor homes are half as likely

1830
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:44,120
Speaker 3: to have a fault that causes a crash, even adjusting

1831
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:46,200
Speaker 3: for how many of them are on the road. And

1832
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:48,919
Speaker 3: when it comes to passing a warrant of fitness inspection

1833
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 3: a vintage car performs better than vehicles under forty years old,

1834
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:58,360
Speaker 3: because I know you love your old cars and you

1835
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:01,920
Speaker 3: look after them. Next, it is a quarter to seven.

1836
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:06,639
Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the Business Hour

1837
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:11,360
Speaker 1: with Andrew Dickens and Mas for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions,

1838
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:12,479
Speaker 1: News talks'd be.

1839
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:15,600
Speaker 3: It is twelve minutes to seven and to Brady in

1840
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:17,439
Speaker 3: just a few moments time. But his story We love

1841
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:19,320
Speaker 3: a man who tried to set fire to a police

1842
01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:21,720
Speaker 3: station in a bid to impress a woman has been

1843
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 3: jailed and during his sentencing, the judge offered some blunt advice.

1844
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 3: Any woman who's impressed by you burning a police station,

1845
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:32,679
Speaker 3: is it worth impressing. So this is a man called

1846
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 3: Zane Gordon from kaike Coe. There was a whole lot

1847
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:37,880
Speaker 3: of stuff that happened that one day in December twenty

1848
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:42,519
Speaker 3: twenty three, twenty twenty four. Should I say he went

1849
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:44,479
Speaker 3: to the kai Koe police station at three point fifteen

1850
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:46,960
Speaker 3: in the morning. He placed a just juice bottle that

1851
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:49,840
Speaker 3: had tissue paper coming out of the top. Then he

1852
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 3: set the tissue alight. Then he exited the view of

1853
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 3: the security camera which was watching him.

1854
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:54,680
Speaker 9: The whole way.

1855
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:58,040
Speaker 3: But guess what, the tissue went out, So Zaye went

1856
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:01,080
Speaker 3: back and let it again, this time running front of

1857
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 3: the sit security camera.

1858
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 26: Again.

1859
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:06,839
Speaker 3: This time he caught fire and it exploded across the doorway,

1860
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:09,960
Speaker 3: charring everything cosmetic damage to the front of the station.

1861
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:13,080
Speaker 3: Throughout the incident, Zane was recording on a phone and

1862
01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 3: talking to someone off camera. When arrested, he explained, it's

1863
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:18,880
Speaker 3: not a direct to take on police. I'm just trying

1864
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 3: to impress the girl, the same girl he tried to

1865
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:25,880
Speaker 3: strangle earlier, and he's gone to jail er. Brady joins me,

1866
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:28,640
Speaker 3: now from the UK, boy, I bit you wish you

1867
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:29,480
Speaker 3: had stories.

1868
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:29,720
Speaker 21: Like that Ender.

1869
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 20: I'm just lifting my job off the floor. Old Zay

1870
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:36,280
Speaker 20: doesn't sound the sharpest till in the box or the prison.

1871
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:36,920
Speaker 8: No.

1872
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 3: Now, speaking of which, Donald Trump says when he leaves

1873
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:43,920
Speaker 3: the White House, I've said if he leaves the White House,

1874
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:46,360
Speaker 3: But when he leaves the White House, he'd like to

1875
01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:49,240
Speaker 3: be Scotland's leader. So tell me how does Scotland feel

1876
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:49,479
Speaker 3: about that?

1877
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:53,400
Speaker 20: As you can imagine, people are laughing, people are shocked.

1878
01:33:53,479 --> 01:33:55,800
Speaker 20: All I would say is people were laughing at this guy.

1879
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:58,519
Speaker 20: Eight nine years ago when he was running for president

1880
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:01,600
Speaker 20: and look how that panned out. So do not underestimate

1881
01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:04,400
Speaker 20: Donald Trump at your peril. He's had a very good

1882
01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 20: few days. So he had a long weekend, four days

1883
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:11,640
Speaker 20: in Scotland basically playing golf on his golf courses. He

1884
01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:14,360
Speaker 20: came over here like he was the Prime minister. He

1885
01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:17,240
Speaker 20: made Starmer look like a boy in the yard. In

1886
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:21,559
Speaker 20: his own backyard. Trump dominated everything. And we now find

1887
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 20: out that before leaving, he recorded an episode of a

1888
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:27,560
Speaker 20: podcast and he was asked in the podcast about, you know,

1889
01:34:27,720 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 20: plans going forward, and he said, Scotland's a great country.

1890
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:33,519
Speaker 20: They are fine people. He then said that there is

1891
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:36,760
Speaker 20: no crime in Scotland, and hewhere in Scotland there is

1892
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:40,560
Speaker 20: no crime, so clearly there's probably no crime at his

1893
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:43,479
Speaker 20: golf courses because you've got to be mega rich, an

1894
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:46,679
Speaker 20: elite to play there. But he said it's very different

1895
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 20: to the United States. And he said, look, you know,

1896
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:51,439
Speaker 20: when I leave the White House, I reckon I could

1897
01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:54,080
Speaker 20: be first minister here. I could do a job and

1898
01:34:54,360 --> 01:34:57,560
Speaker 20: he would qualify. He could get Scottish citizenship in a

1899
01:34:57,680 --> 01:35:01,599
Speaker 20: UK passport through his late mother who was born in Scotland.

1900
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:03,439
Speaker 20: He has a lot of money invested up there. So

1901
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:07,200
Speaker 20: as outlandish as this is the world we live in,

1902
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:08,360
Speaker 20: anything is possible.

1903
01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:10,559
Speaker 3: This is true. This is true. Though, I would suggest

1904
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:12,759
Speaker 3: we should take him down to Barrel Leans in Glasgow

1905
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:14,720
Speaker 3: for a night out and see see if he thinks

1906
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:16,200
Speaker 3: he's no crimeing down there.

1907
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:19,000
Speaker 20: About two am in the morning, the best of look.

1908
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:21,960
Speaker 3: That, yeah, and a lot of coverage of him playing

1909
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:23,439
Speaker 3: golf and a lot of people going, oh, look at

1910
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:26,600
Speaker 3: that terrible strike. Now I watched it, and frankly, for

1911
01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:29,200
Speaker 3: men a seventy nine he wasn't half bed. However, I

1912
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:31,639
Speaker 3: believe his clubs are too short for him. But because

1913
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:34,280
Speaker 3: he's stooping, well, that might just be his posture. Whatever,

1914
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:37,840
Speaker 3: He's a good golf player for seventy nine. Now is

1915
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:39,559
Speaker 3: there going to be a third runway at Heathrow?

1916
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:44,479
Speaker 20: So Keir Starmer will today announce plans for a third

1917
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:48,800
Speaker 20: runway at London Heathrow Airport, and he will say that

1918
01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:51,519
Speaker 20: he wants to see spades in the ground, digging and working.

1919
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:54,800
Speaker 20: Before the year twenty thirty. They've been talking about this

1920
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:58,519
Speaker 20: Andrew here for half a century. Third runway at Heathrow.

1921
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 20: I would say there is more chance of me playing

1922
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:05,000
Speaker 20: for the All Blacks by twenty thirty. Quite frankly, this

1923
01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:08,000
Speaker 20: is not going to happen. There will be objections. You

1924
01:36:08,040 --> 01:36:11,439
Speaker 20: will see environmentalists, you will see local residents who don't

1925
01:36:11,479 --> 01:36:13,760
Speaker 20: want their villages flattened to make way for a third

1926
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:17,920
Speaker 20: runway at Hethrow. But nevertheless, Starmer says the country needs growth.

1927
01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:21,080
Speaker 20: I would point him towards yesterday's incident with air traffic

1928
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:24,320
Speaker 20: control which went down due to a glitch. Hundreds of

1929
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:28,280
Speaker 20: flights canceled or delayed, thousands of people stuck in airports for.

1930
01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:29,080
Speaker 3: A long time.

1931
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:32,400
Speaker 20: They can't cope with the system as it is, never

1932
01:36:32,479 --> 01:36:33,240
Speaker 20: mind more flights.

1933
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:36,840
Speaker 3: I had the idea of developing Luton Airport and also

1934
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:39,800
Speaker 3: developing Stentstead, which was back in the nineties so that's

1935
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:43,360
Speaker 3: the newest airport, and also expending London City Airport. I

1936
01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:45,400
Speaker 3: thought the whole point about that was to take pressure

1937
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:48,719
Speaker 3: off Heathrow so we didn't have to have at the runway.

1938
01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:49,840
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1939
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:53,360
Speaker 20: Look, the smart thing would be to improve regional airports

1940
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:56,360
Speaker 20: away from the London area and you know, put more

1941
01:36:56,400 --> 01:37:01,120
Speaker 20: money into Birmingham, Manchester, Newcastle, you know, going forward. But

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Speaker 20: they seem to be obsessed with Heathrow and that's because

1943
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Speaker 20: it's a hub airport. Big business likes getting into the

1944
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Speaker 20: city quick. They can't do anything with London City Airport.

1945
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Speaker 20: It's a very strange location. Yeah, but you're right, you

1946
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Speaker 20: know they need to think about this. But as I say,

1947
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Speaker 20: you will see me playing rugby for the All Black Spintro.

1948
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Speaker 2: This happens.

1949
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Speaker 3: And now I used to live in Hounslow right underneath

1950
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Speaker 3: the flight path that I can tell you it was

1951
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Speaker 3: a night nurse night web. Absolutely. Now population is soaring

1952
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Speaker 3: in the UK because of migration, and of course this

1953
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Speaker 3: is a huge national talking point because a lot of

1954
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Speaker 3: those migrants are refugees from goodness, not of where, and

1955
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Speaker 3: this escapees from Eastern Europe and people complain that they

1956
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Speaker 3: are changing the national character.

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Speaker 20: Yes, this is a big, big problem. This is the

1958
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Speaker 20: number one priority for Starmer to sort out in the

1959
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Speaker 20: next four years if he wants to stand any chance

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Speaker 20: of being re elected. So the figures today we have

1961
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Speaker 20: the last twelve months there's been an increase of seven

1962
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Speaker 20: hundred and seven thousand people in the UK census in

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Speaker 20: terms of how many people are coming here and living here.

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Speaker 20: And you know you're taking away all the numbers of

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Speaker 20: people who've departed the UK, Brits who've emigrated, people who've died,

1966
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Speaker 20: babies being born. The net figure is the population in

1967
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Speaker 20: England and Wales has gone up by seven hundred and

1968
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Speaker 20: seven thousand people. Now that is huge pressure on resources, infrastructure, schools, hospitals, doctors,

1969
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Speaker 20: clinics and it's starting to tell. I mean I travel

1970
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Speaker 20: the country every day, every week and you're hearing from

1971
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Speaker 20: people who are very, very annoyed about immigration here and

1972
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Speaker 20: Nigel Farage is lapping this up and his poll rating

1973
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Speaker 20: keeps going up.

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Speaker 9: What do they call it?

1975
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Speaker 3: The great replacement theory? All right, Inton Brady, I think

1976
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Speaker 3: you for your time. It is now six minutes to seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the hithertople See Alan Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 3: It takes from clear make Scotland Great Again in capitals

1980
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Speaker 3: with exclamation marks, nice texts and to play me out

1981
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Speaker 3: what do you got?

1982
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Speaker 27: Tech took may Kesha to play us out tonight, Andrew.

1983
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Speaker 27: She is going to be touring Australia in February next year,

1984
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Speaker 27: doing Brisbane, Melbourne, Adelaide and Perth. And she's got like

1985
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Speaker 27: two days in between the dates there, so plenty of

1986
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Speaker 27: opportunity to like sneak a spark arena or you know what,

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Speaker 27: apolloproject stadium showing there as well.

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Speaker 3: Surely yeah you mean Wolfbrook.

1989
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Speaker 27: Well you're right, it would be wolf breaking. They we're

1990
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Speaker 27: busy getting the other one ready for and Sharon I.

1991
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Speaker 3: Can even keep up. And I don't think she's a

1992
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Speaker 3: twenty five thousand crowd person. But anyway, thank you a

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Speaker 3: bit of Keisha for you. My thanks to producer Laura

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Speaker 3: for button push, a twiddler man and editing boy as

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Speaker 3: my name is Andrew Dickens. Hopefully Heather is back tomorrow.

1996
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Speaker 3: Thank you for your company today, See you tomorrow maybe

1997
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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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