WEBVTT - Leighton Smith Podcast #256 - September 18th 2024 - Michael Rectenwald 0:00:09.133 --> 0:00:11.973 You're listening to a podcast from news talks it B. 0:00:12.413 --> 0:00:16.373 Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 0:00:16.773 --> 0:00:19.773 It's time for all the attitude, all the opinion, all 0:00:19.813 --> 0:00:24.893 the information, all the debates of us now the Leighton 0:00:25.013 --> 0:00:27.693 Smith Podcast powered by news talks it B. 0:00:28.013 --> 0:00:31.773 Welcome to Podcast two hundred and fifty six for September eighteen, 0:00:31.853 --> 0:00:35.773 twenty twenty four. Now, for long time attendees of this podcast, 0:00:35.813 --> 0:00:39.213 the name Michael Recton World will be familiar. For those 0:00:39.213 --> 0:00:43.173 who are not so informed, you'll find his background most interesting. 0:00:43.693 --> 0:00:47.013 From two thousand and eight to twenty nineteen, he was 0:00:47.053 --> 0:00:50.213 professor of Liberal Studies at New York University, and he 0:00:50.373 --> 0:00:54.213 was a convicted Marxist communist. Then he saw the light 0:00:54.813 --> 0:00:59.293 and transitd to libertarianism. Now that was the end of 0:00:59.333 --> 0:01:03.093 his position at New York University. He was relieved of 0:01:03.213 --> 0:01:06.653 his post. He guested first on podcast one oh one 0:01:06.773 --> 0:01:09.653 in twenty twenty one, and that was in March twenty 0:01:09.693 --> 0:01:12.693 twenty one, and again for podcast one seventy three in 0:01:12.773 --> 0:01:17.413 September of twenty two. Kamala Harris, Democrat contender for the 0:01:17.493 --> 0:01:21.693 US presidency, has been acclaimed the most left wing Socialist 0:01:21.733 --> 0:01:25.013 member of the Senate as vice President. She is frequently 0:01:25.053 --> 0:01:28.573 tagged a Marxist. So what is she? That's a bone 0:01:28.613 --> 0:01:34.013 of contention rife among commentators of all political persuasions, Marxist 0:01:34.533 --> 0:01:38.213 or empty head, And that's a polite call. Who better 0:01:38.253 --> 0:01:41.773 to seek advice from than a past Marxist commonist professor 0:01:42.013 --> 0:01:47.013 Michael Rechtenwald. But first, once again on the podcast morning, 0:01:47.053 --> 0:01:50.413 I find that there is so much of interest that 0:01:50.493 --> 0:01:53.453 I simply can't cover it all, in fact, nowhere near it. 0:01:53.733 --> 0:01:56.693 But this is a common complaint on my part, I know, 0:01:57.173 --> 0:02:00.773 but it's true. There is so much. So I thought, well, 0:02:00.813 --> 0:02:03.413 actually I had a couple of ideas this morning that 0:02:03.413 --> 0:02:05.733 I'll share with you a little later, either in this 0:02:05.773 --> 0:02:10.733 podcast or next week. But there was something that caught 0:02:10.773 --> 0:02:13.693 my eye a couple of days ago, and it came 0:02:13.773 --> 0:02:17.973 from one of our more recent guests, Robert McCulloch from 0:02:18.013 --> 0:02:21.813 Auckland University, who was in podcast number two hundred and 0:02:21.933 --> 0:02:25.853 fifty one. And I'm going to quote you. This is 0:02:25.853 --> 0:02:27.613 not very long, but I'm going to quote it because 0:02:28.173 --> 0:02:31.413 there is I disagree with him on this particular point, 0:02:31.773 --> 0:02:35.573 and I'll explain why shortly. Headed has This is from 0:02:35.613 --> 0:02:39.573 his blog site down to earth dot Kiwi. Down to 0:02:39.613 --> 0:02:43.773 earth dot Kiwi has former pm Adern become New Zealand's 0:02:43.813 --> 0:02:49.013 single biggest individual emitter of greenhouse gases, and it reads 0:02:49.493 --> 0:02:52.253 it's impossible to keep up with the former pm Adern's 0:02:52.293 --> 0:02:56.413 emissions of greenhouse gazes. Where she has traveled on carbon 0:02:56.573 --> 0:03:00.733 dumping into the atmosphere long haul flights this past year, 0:03:00.973 --> 0:03:03.853 to name a few. In November of twenty twenty three, 0:03:04.013 --> 0:03:07.293 she flew to Singapore to walk the Green Carpet and 0:03:07.373 --> 0:03:11.653 to give earthshot as including in the category of clean air. 0:03:12.333 --> 0:03:15.533 How ironic when you get homesick? How about around the 0:03:15.573 --> 0:03:18.533 world flight back to good old New Zealand to marry 0:03:18.533 --> 0:03:22.253 on location at a Vignard Yes, in January of twenty four, 0:03:22.733 --> 0:03:25.893 it was long haul to do the wedding in the 0:03:25.933 --> 0:03:29.853 Hawk's Bay. Then in March of twenty four she burnt 0:03:29.853 --> 0:03:33.733 those air miles to Italy to inaugurate the academic year 0:03:33.813 --> 0:03:37.613 at the University of Bologna. Oh, and don't forget the 0:03:37.653 --> 0:03:40.613 carbon dumping flight up to Chicago in August of twenty 0:03:40.613 --> 0:03:45.493 four to visit the Democratic Party Convention for a yarn 0:03:45.853 --> 0:03:48.053 And why go to well I didn't see anything on 0:03:48.093 --> 0:03:51.293 her performance in there, did you? But you could say 0:03:51.453 --> 0:03:56.733 that Carmela is benefiting from her from Durn's experience. Sounds 0:03:56.773 --> 0:04:00.013 like it than me. And why go to Italy once 0:04:00.173 --> 0:04:02.253 in a year when you can go there twice on 0:04:02.293 --> 0:04:05.733 a long haul jet to accept another award. This past week, 0:04:05.893 --> 0:04:08.693 she flew to Venice to whoop it up at an 0:04:08.693 --> 0:04:13.133 event coinciding with the Venice Film Festival. She preached there 0:04:13.773 --> 0:04:18.333 that we must demand from our leaders empathy and kindness. 0:04:19.373 --> 0:04:22.293 Competence would be a nice one to add, though always 0:04:22.293 --> 0:04:25.333 seems to be missing off her list. I don't think 0:04:25.373 --> 0:04:28.653 she could spell it anyhow. That's just a few flights 0:04:28.693 --> 0:04:31.093 that we know about. We've got no problem with their 0:04:31.133 --> 0:04:36.253 travel on this blog, provided carbon emissions are priced, though 0:04:36.293 --> 0:04:38.773 we note the US does not have an emissions trading 0:04:38.813 --> 0:04:42.853 scheme like New Zealand. Maybe that's a reason Adern is 0:04:42.893 --> 0:04:47.373 basing herself outside this country, since she would probably single 0:04:47.413 --> 0:04:52.973 handedly blow our reduction targets. Now, that's a critical column 0:04:53.053 --> 0:04:56.093 of the ex Prime Minister of New Zealand, and I 0:04:56.213 --> 0:04:59.173 choose to disagree with it on I think a very 0:04:59.213 --> 0:05:03.253 sound basis. Ex Prime Minister at Dern no longer believes 0:05:03.293 --> 0:05:07.013 obviously in man made global warming or man made climate change, 0:05:07.333 --> 0:05:11.293 Otherwise she would not do what she did and fire 0:05:11.333 --> 0:05:14.013 all those miles. Am I correct, Well, I have to 0:05:14.053 --> 0:05:19.053 be Is she really so hypocritical that she'd tell you 0:05:19.173 --> 0:05:21.653 can't do things, but she'd happily go and do it herself. 0:05:21.893 --> 0:05:26.973 I'm saying or suggesting at least it's worth consideration that 0:05:26.973 --> 0:05:29.853 the Prime Minister should be congratulated on waking up to 0:05:29.893 --> 0:05:33.293 the con that she was part of mind you, but 0:05:33.413 --> 0:05:35.973 waking up to the con that we have all suffered 0:05:35.973 --> 0:05:38.813 from and finally realizing the best way to do it 0:05:38.853 --> 0:05:42.213 is not to verbalize it, but to just act accordingly. 0:05:43.253 --> 0:05:46.213 And I think that we should follow her lead. Robert McCulloch, 0:05:46.293 --> 0:06:04.973 I'll see you at the airport. Michael Recton wat it's 0:06:05.013 --> 0:06:07.453 great to have you back on the podcast and I 0:06:07.493 --> 0:06:08.533 appreciate it very much much. 0:06:08.573 --> 0:06:11.453 Thank you thanks for having me, and it's great to 0:06:11.493 --> 0:06:11.853 be here. 0:06:11.933 --> 0:06:16.373 I was triggered to make contact with you because you 0:06:16.973 --> 0:06:20.053 were a Marxist for much of your life, if not 0:06:20.293 --> 0:06:23.933 most of it, and it was only in relatively recent 0:06:23.973 --> 0:06:28.213 times that you actually woke up and what you'renar are 0:06:28.213 --> 0:06:32.373 a libertarian basically, and even a conservative libertarian maybe like 0:06:32.653 --> 0:06:36.493 my claim. But you have the experience more than anybody 0:06:36.533 --> 0:06:40.533 I've known or have spoken with on Marxism and what 0:06:40.653 --> 0:06:43.413 is a Marxist and who was a Marxist, etc. So 0:06:43.853 --> 0:06:47.733 they say frequently you can read it in headlines all 0:06:47.773 --> 0:06:52.533 over in articles that Kamala Harris is a Marxist. And 0:06:52.693 --> 0:06:55.653 after all, her father was a Marxist professor, So why 0:06:55.733 --> 0:06:58.773 wouldn't she be or couldn't she be with your experience, 0:06:59.173 --> 0:07:00.573 would you call her a Marxist? 0:07:00.893 --> 0:07:04.293 Okay, that's a great question. I would say that Kamala 0:07:04.333 --> 0:07:09.973 Harris is at least an unconscious Marxist, perhaps a conscious Marxist, 0:07:09.973 --> 0:07:13.213 but I know that she's at least an unconscious Marxist 0:07:14.053 --> 0:07:19.133 who has absorbed probably through her family, her father. But 0:07:19.413 --> 0:07:24.533 you know, through the political zeitgeist itself the premises of 0:07:24.613 --> 0:07:30.093 Marxist thought, and that is this idea that there is 0:07:30.253 --> 0:07:34.613 this exploited class and that's the majority, and they are 0:07:34.893 --> 0:07:38.213 stolen from at work at the point of production, and 0:07:38.293 --> 0:07:42.773 therefore they need redistribution. There needs to be redistribution, and 0:07:42.813 --> 0:07:45.653 that has to be conducted by the state, and that's 0:07:45.693 --> 0:07:48.933 the state's role. And that's really where she comes down. 0:07:49.693 --> 0:07:53.773 And you know, it's a zero sum thinking. It assumes 0:07:53.813 --> 0:07:58.053 that anybody getting wealthy comes at the expense of somebody else, 0:07:58.573 --> 0:08:02.773 which is just fallacious. It's completely economic dribble. You know, 0:08:02.853 --> 0:08:07.573 her father was a Marxist economist, which is a contradiction 0:08:07.693 --> 0:08:12.253 in terms Marxism is not economics at all. It is 0:08:12.333 --> 0:08:17.933 completely you know, it's it's really metaphysical rambling and it 0:08:17.973 --> 0:08:20.693 has no real economic basis to it. 0:08:20.933 --> 0:08:25.773 What a new opinion qualifies somebody as a Marxist, Well, if. 0:08:25.253 --> 0:08:27.693 They were a conscious Marxist, they have to believe a 0:08:27.733 --> 0:08:31.053 couple of things. First of all, the history of all 0:08:31.573 --> 0:08:34.853 of all, you know, hitherto human relations is the history 0:08:34.893 --> 0:08:39.853 of class struggle, and that struggle is particularly undertaken in 0:08:39.973 --> 0:08:43.893 the current era in terms of the proletariat and the 0:08:43.893 --> 0:08:48.093 capitalist class. And the capitalist class, according to this theory, 0:08:48.413 --> 0:08:52.373 exploits the worker every single minute of the day, and 0:08:52.853 --> 0:08:57.533 they steal from them. It's a conspiracy theory. They steal 0:08:57.613 --> 0:09:01.533 from the worker all all day long. They exploit them. 0:09:01.573 --> 0:09:07.493 They siphon surplus value out of the labor process and 0:09:07.653 --> 0:09:12.493 retain exploited wealth, and it builds up over time and 0:09:12.613 --> 0:09:16.013 this creates a kind of impossible barrier for the worker, 0:09:17.013 --> 0:09:21.533 and the only resort is to conduct a revolution, a 0:09:21.613 --> 0:09:27.653 class revolution. And it all comes down to their belief 0:09:27.773 --> 0:09:30.653 and the labor theory of value, which I once believed in, 0:09:31.613 --> 0:09:34.573 which is the idea that labor is the source of 0:09:34.613 --> 0:09:40.933 all value and that therefore, in order for the capitalist 0:09:41.013 --> 0:09:46.173 to get any value extraction, he must exploit the worker 0:09:47.173 --> 0:09:50.613 on a regular day to day, minute by minute basis, 0:09:50.693 --> 0:09:54.853 paying them a fraction of what they really produce. Of course, 0:09:54.933 --> 0:09:58.053 this is all complete nonsense because there's so many factors 0:09:58.093 --> 0:10:02.013 that go into production, and the labor theory of value, 0:10:02.133 --> 0:10:05.253 once you knock that out, which is completely fallacious, that's 0:10:05.293 --> 0:10:09.013 not where value comes from. Value comes from the subjective 0:10:09.093 --> 0:10:13.493 wants of consumers, of people that buy products. That's where 0:10:13.573 --> 0:10:17.213 value comes from. It is not based on labor time. 0:10:17.773 --> 0:10:19.373 If that were the case, I could go out and 0:10:19.413 --> 0:10:22.053 dig a hole for sixteen hours and expect to be 0:10:22.133 --> 0:10:25.733 paid at some rate, you know, the hole that was 0:10:25.813 --> 0:10:28.013 useless to anybody, and then filled it back up and 0:10:28.133 --> 0:10:31.293 expect to get paid for both processes. It's absurd. 0:10:32.133 --> 0:10:34.173 Did you have got to the Soviet Union? 0:10:34.853 --> 0:10:37.893 No? I did not, had I gone to this. Had 0:10:37.973 --> 0:10:41.373 I gone, I might have, you know, during the Soviet period, 0:10:41.453 --> 0:10:46.053 I might have seen things differently. But to the Marxists, 0:10:46.333 --> 0:10:52.493 they obscure what happens is in the Marxist milieuse. What 0:10:52.533 --> 0:11:00.253 they do is obscure history and obscure the actual existing socialism, 0:11:00.413 --> 0:11:04.093 actually existing socialism as the dissidents came to refer to it. 0:11:04.893 --> 0:11:08.093 They obscure this from view and keep you focused on 0:11:08.133 --> 0:11:13.053 the theory and the ideas and how theoretically wonderful be 0:11:14.093 --> 0:11:17.693 and how just it is, you know. And having come 0:11:17.853 --> 0:11:22.333 full circle into becoming a libertarian, a free market, a 0:11:22.373 --> 0:11:25.893 believer in the free market and freedom, I now see 0:11:25.973 --> 0:11:29.933 that this is anything but the reverse. This is actually 0:11:30.413 --> 0:11:34.133 the reverse or the inverse of the truth that, in fact, 0:11:34.173 --> 0:11:37.613 there's no freedom under Marxism because the first thing you 0:11:37.613 --> 0:11:41.133 surrender is yourself. You are now property of the state. 0:11:42.053 --> 0:11:45.173 And when you have no possession of yourself, that's the 0:11:45.213 --> 0:11:51.213 first principle of libertarianism, as self ownership. Once that is surrendered, 0:11:51.253 --> 0:11:54.533 you're a slave, and so there's no freedom. And of course, 0:11:54.573 --> 0:11:58.653 if you look at the goolog system, there was forced labor, unpaid, 0:11:58.693 --> 0:12:01.973 there was slavery, literal slavery in the Soviet Union. 0:12:02.453 --> 0:12:04.693 If Kavala was on the Marxist story, you weren't going 0:12:04.733 --> 0:12:07.973 to refer to her as as any kind of Marxist. 0:12:08.853 --> 0:12:11.333 What label would you put on her? I've got one 0:12:11.333 --> 0:12:11.773 in mind. 0:12:12.173 --> 0:12:15.733 Well, she is at least an unconscious Marxist, but I 0:12:15.733 --> 0:12:20.413 would say, in keeping with the Marxist idea, she's also 0:12:21.213 --> 0:12:24.613 a globalist and an internationalist, because one of the main 0:12:24.733 --> 0:12:28.573 things about Marxism is it had to be the socialist 0:12:28.653 --> 0:12:33.933 or communist system has to be international and likewise, her policies, 0:12:33.933 --> 0:12:38.053 for example, on immigration, where she wants unfettered immigration and 0:12:38.173 --> 0:12:43.213 also total social welfare inclusive of healthcare benefits for anybody 0:12:43.253 --> 0:12:46.053 that's in this country, anybody, no matter how they got 0:12:46.093 --> 0:12:49.773 here or how long they've been here. She wants to 0:12:49.813 --> 0:12:55.853 give them free healthcare. This is internationalist, globalist, and it's 0:12:55.933 --> 0:13:00.173 Marxists all at the same time, and those all fall together. 0:13:00.213 --> 0:13:01.373 But what was your term? 0:13:01.693 --> 0:13:02.293 Progressive? 0:13:03.573 --> 0:13:07.333 A progressive? Well, yeah, she's a progressive with a with 0:13:07.413 --> 0:13:10.173 a foot with a foot on the gas pedal. It's 0:13:10.173 --> 0:13:14.893 a highly accelerated progressivism. Okay, yeah, I mean she really 0:13:14.933 --> 0:13:20.973 wants to create equity as they call it, as quickly 0:13:21.013 --> 0:13:25.773 as possible, and that means redistribution. And she sees she's 0:13:25.973 --> 0:13:29.293 running on this campaign now to help the middle class, 0:13:29.333 --> 0:13:33.893 which is really quite ironic because if anything, her policies 0:13:33.933 --> 0:13:40.173 will utterly dissolve the middle class into a stagnant lower 0:13:40.213 --> 0:13:43.573 class pool that can never get out of it. I mean, 0:13:43.653 --> 0:13:45.213 that's really what it will come down to. 0:13:46.373 --> 0:13:48.853 Well, we had a Prime minister recently who claimed she 0:13:48.933 --> 0:13:52.573 was a progressive. That's why I that's why I chose 0:13:52.613 --> 0:13:58.973 that term. And you know about whom I speak. She 0:13:59.053 --> 0:14:02.813 gets one mentioned in a list of similar types in 0:14:02.853 --> 0:14:05.253 your book, The Great Reset and the Struggle for Liberty, 0:14:05.733 --> 0:14:09.733 which was released last year. And I could only say 0:14:09.933 --> 0:14:13.973 that most people, most people in this country don't realize 0:14:14.013 --> 0:14:17.933 how close to disaster we really came. Albeit that it 0:14:17.973 --> 0:14:20.453 was bad enough, but it could have been that it 0:14:20.453 --> 0:14:23.373 could have been a whole lot worse. Speaking of which, 0:14:24.253 --> 0:14:29.133 and let me divert just momentarily, the World Economic Forum, 0:14:29.253 --> 0:14:33.933 the WEF, which had had to do with just into 0:14:33.973 --> 0:14:37.933 redurance training. Are they still as active? Are they still 0:14:37.933 --> 0:14:40.213 as progressive as they were? And I used progressive in 0:14:40.253 --> 0:14:41.453 its in its proper sense. 0:14:43.493 --> 0:14:47.173 Yeah, I mean the World Economics Forum, their main project 0:14:47.293 --> 0:14:52.133 really well, there's kind of multi pronged, but that's only 0:14:52.173 --> 0:14:54.933 because the main project that they support, which is Agenda 0:14:55.013 --> 0:14:59.493 twenty thirty. UN's Agenda twenty thirty is a multi pronged 0:14:59.693 --> 0:15:06.013 program and that their world, the World Economics form Great Reset, 0:15:06.733 --> 0:15:10.013 not a conspiracy, but in a bi open plan is 0:15:10.053 --> 0:15:16.293 about accelerating the arrival of the accomplishment of Agenda twenty thirty. 0:15:16.853 --> 0:15:19.493 That's really what it is in a nutshell. So to 0:15:19.613 --> 0:15:22.653 understand the Great Reset, all you have to do is 0:15:22.693 --> 0:15:26.293 study Agenda twenty thirty. I mean not only but because 0:15:26.613 --> 0:15:29.053 I did that in I think one or two chapters. 0:15:29.093 --> 0:15:31.653 But there's a lot more to it because the UN 0:15:31.693 --> 0:15:34.813 has a deep history as well. But Agenda twenty thirty 0:15:34.893 --> 0:15:36.933 is what they want to bring about, and that is 0:15:37.573 --> 0:15:42.733 a globalist plan to institute well to have the various 0:15:42.813 --> 0:15:47.573 nation states and local and regional governments adopt. These are 0:15:47.653 --> 0:15:51.773 the agenda items, and all of the agenda items refer 0:15:51.893 --> 0:15:57.173 to things like redistribution of wealth, control over waterways, control 0:15:57.173 --> 0:16:03.453 over land, control over individuals. These are the technologies, the 0:16:03.653 --> 0:16:09.013 digital identity, and the whole slew of other means of 0:16:09.053 --> 0:16:15.253 incorporating the subject, including in CBDCs. But the Bank of 0:16:15.293 --> 0:16:21.853 International Settlements has said many times that the CBDC depends 0:16:21.893 --> 0:16:26.213 on a digital identity, and that is exactly what they 0:16:26.253 --> 0:16:30.213 look for. They want to have every single subject under 0:16:30.213 --> 0:16:36.813 the UN's auspices as a digitally identified subject whom they 0:16:36.893 --> 0:16:44.693 know virtually everything vital about, inclusive of their finances, but furthermore, 0:16:45.613 --> 0:16:52.333 their political proclivities, their consumption and you name it. Basically 0:16:52.613 --> 0:16:56.133 everything that you do would be part of a database 0:16:56.173 --> 0:16:59.053 called which is the digital identity. It's not a mere 0:16:59.133 --> 0:17:04.133 means of identification. It's a database attached to every single person, 0:17:04.573 --> 0:17:10.173 replete with biometric surveillance data, so that they know exactly 0:17:10.213 --> 0:17:13.173 who you are and what you do and they can 0:17:13.293 --> 0:17:15.613 verify it through biometric data. 0:17:17.053 --> 0:17:20.013 Well, we're in that position. New Zealand's Reserve Bank is 0:17:20.053 --> 0:17:25.333 working toward a rather rapidly. I fear to order a CBDC. 0:17:25.813 --> 0:17:29.253 There are lots of people, plenty of people at this 0:17:29.373 --> 0:17:31.813 point of time who say, well, this would be a 0:17:33.013 --> 0:17:39.813 great way of handling the financial system, who don't see 0:17:39.413 --> 0:17:45.933 anything wrong with it. So what do you say when 0:17:45.973 --> 0:17:47.333 somebody challenges you on that. 0:17:48.933 --> 0:17:52.453 Well, I just point to the documents and what they 0:17:52.613 --> 0:17:57.813 actually say straight up. The Bank of International Settlements kind 0:17:57.813 --> 0:18:02.173 of the Central Bank Clearinghouse, if you will, says directly 0:18:02.293 --> 0:18:07.333 that there's no there is no anonymity with anything using 0:18:07.333 --> 0:18:14.373 a CBDC, So every purchase becomes completely transparent to the 0:18:14.413 --> 0:18:19.333 central banks, and perhaps to all the central banks simultaneously 0:18:20.413 --> 0:18:24.533 if they share data. So this data is now completely 0:18:24.613 --> 0:18:28.373 transparent to them. That means every purchase you make is 0:18:28.493 --> 0:18:32.213 known by the central bank. And since you know, in 0:18:32.253 --> 0:18:34.453 the case of the United States, it's the Federal Reserve. 0:18:34.493 --> 0:18:38.813 Of course, they're a private cartel. Nevertheless, they are also 0:18:39.053 --> 0:18:44.653 strangely and ambiguously an agency of the federal government. So likewise, 0:18:44.693 --> 0:18:49.693 the federal government effectively knows everything you buy, all the 0:18:49.733 --> 0:18:52.653 money you have, et cetera, et cetera. And also they 0:18:52.733 --> 0:18:59.093 can exact real time taxation on all income immediately. They 0:18:59.093 --> 0:19:03.733 could even impose negative interest rates on balances that were 0:19:04.293 --> 0:19:07.293 not spent at the proper rate. There's all kinds of 0:19:07.333 --> 0:19:10.853 things they can do. They can forbid particular types of 0:19:10.893 --> 0:19:15.253 transactions or perhaps give quotas on particular types of transactions. 0:19:15.813 --> 0:19:20.133 Say you've had your full complement of meat this month, 0:19:20.653 --> 0:19:24.413 you cannot buy any more meat, you know, so they 0:19:24.453 --> 0:19:27.893 do that here with food stamps, you know, which is 0:19:27.933 --> 0:19:30.973 now all electronic in the United States. They could do 0:19:31.013 --> 0:19:34.293 this easily with the CBDC. Everybody will be on food stamps, 0:19:34.733 --> 0:19:38.693 and everybody's spending will be capped at certain points on 0:19:38.773 --> 0:19:42.733 different items, including gasoline, because they certainly want to phase 0:19:42.773 --> 0:19:47.173 out the gasoline automobile and replace it, God knows why 0:19:47.253 --> 0:19:51.893 with the electron electric automobile, even though that is environmentally 0:19:51.933 --> 0:19:58.533 more damaging, damaging than the gas powered automobile, and it 0:19:58.653 --> 0:20:03.373 uses gas, it uses fossil fuels in order to charge it. 0:20:03.373 --> 0:20:05.693 It's absurd. I mean, the whole thing is absurd. I mean, 0:20:05.933 --> 0:20:09.053 I don't know how this charade has and pulled over 0:20:09.133 --> 0:20:11.453 the eyes of so many people for so long, but 0:20:12.133 --> 0:20:14.453 it has well. 0:20:14.493 --> 0:20:18.493 I would suggest that, like so many other metas, the 0:20:18.573 --> 0:20:20.173 media has a great deal to do with it. 0:20:21.573 --> 0:20:25.973 Yeah, it's unbelievable. They represent things without getting giving any 0:20:26.133 --> 0:20:33.173 kinds of context or information or really they managed to 0:20:33.293 --> 0:20:37.813 pull kind of like a complete reversal of the truth 0:20:38.573 --> 0:20:42.413 when they represent different things like this, like the like 0:20:42.453 --> 0:20:48.053 the electric vehicle it has you know, there's no savings 0:20:48.093 --> 0:20:51.253 and fossil fuels on that basis. I don't believe at all. 0:20:52.093 --> 0:20:54.813 And in fact, it's in the United States. Much of 0:20:54.853 --> 0:20:58.413 it is driven by coal technology because that's where the 0:20:58.453 --> 0:21:01.173 power plants are. That's what the power plants are using, 0:21:01.253 --> 0:21:05.813 is largely coal, and likewise it's just as polluting, if 0:21:05.853 --> 0:21:10.093 not more than the gas power engine. So it's ridiculous 0:21:10.613 --> 0:21:12.733 And how they get away with this is just like 0:21:12.813 --> 0:21:14.893 you said, the media is very much of a shroud 0:21:15.013 --> 0:21:19.773 over reality. It serves as a kind of obscuration of 0:21:20.293 --> 0:21:24.973 facts and instead gives you this packaged view that's completely wrong, 0:21:25.893 --> 0:21:29.373 and that's very frustrating for those who are somewhat awake 0:21:29.813 --> 0:21:31.133 and aware of what's happening. 0:21:32.373 --> 0:21:34.773 Oh, you must be a conspiracy theorist. 0:21:35.973 --> 0:21:39.213 Absolutely, I make no apologies for that. In fact, in 0:21:39.253 --> 0:21:41.533 my books A Great Reset and the Struggle for Liberty, 0:21:41.573 --> 0:21:45.933 I have a whole chapter on the epistemological status of 0:21:46.213 --> 0:21:50.893 conspiracy theory per se. And there's absolutely no there's no 0:21:51.053 --> 0:21:55.133 justification for dismissing any theory because it's a conspiracy theory 0:21:55.413 --> 0:21:59.333 on that basis, there's no justification at all. Because there 0:21:59.373 --> 0:22:03.293 are conspiracies and there are hidden agendas. This is a fact, 0:22:03.453 --> 0:22:05.813 and they're not so hidden all the time, and most 0:22:05.813 --> 0:22:07.853 of the time you just have to look under the 0:22:07.893 --> 0:22:10.213 hood and you'll find what's going on. 0:22:10.373 --> 0:22:14.333 But yeah, that's part five of the book on page 0:22:14.333 --> 0:22:17.413 three hundred and thirty one. I'm just letting you know. 0:22:17.453 --> 0:22:23.573 I've got a copy then the and it's full of 0:22:23.853 --> 0:22:29.373 very interesting and intriguing information, I might add, So we 0:22:29.453 --> 0:22:35.253 have diverted just slightly. Let me retarget Kamala Harris at 0:22:35.253 --> 0:22:38.333 this point. What chance would you say that she has 0:22:38.333 --> 0:22:39.213 of pulling this off? 0:22:41.493 --> 0:22:46.333 Oh, unfortunately, it's very close to fifty fifty fifty one percent. 0:22:46.413 --> 0:22:48.573 I mean, she has a very good chance of pulling 0:22:48.573 --> 0:22:52.413 this off. It's alarming beyond words, but I think she 0:22:52.493 --> 0:22:53.573 has a very good chance. 0:22:54.213 --> 0:22:58.253 So on that basis, assuming that that is the result, 0:22:58.813 --> 0:23:02.453 what would a Kamala administration look like? Do you think? 0:23:03.893 --> 0:23:07.613 I think it'll be a sequel of the Biden and 0:23:07.733 --> 0:23:11.133 Obama administration, So I think you'd see a lot of 0:23:11.173 --> 0:23:16.133 recycling of the same people in the upper echelons in 0:23:16.213 --> 0:23:22.973 the directorships and heads of all the agencies would pretty 0:23:23.013 --> 0:23:26.373 much be the same, with some reshuffling I think to 0:23:26.413 --> 0:23:28.533 make it look different. But it's going to be the 0:23:28.573 --> 0:23:32.373 same cast of characters running the show, and they have 0:23:32.453 --> 0:23:36.373 the same foreign policy and the same domestic policy. I 0:23:36.373 --> 0:23:40.893 think you're going to see a sequel, but with acceleration. 0:23:41.733 --> 0:23:46.453 I think Kamala Harris is what is known in Marxist 0:23:46.453 --> 0:23:49.973 circles as an accelerationist. She wants to bring about these 0:23:50.013 --> 0:23:54.333 things quickly, even if it means driving chaos on the way, 0:23:54.373 --> 0:23:57.293 because there are those who say that you basically have 0:23:57.413 --> 0:24:00.613 to make things really bad in order to get the 0:24:00.693 --> 0:24:02.733 kind of change you want. And I think that's the 0:24:02.813 --> 0:24:06.893 kind of the kind of pretext to her political philosophy. 0:24:07.453 --> 0:24:12.373 If it makes things really bad quickly, then we're getting 0:24:12.413 --> 0:24:13.333 closer to the goal. 0:24:13.893 --> 0:24:17.253 Do you think that America as we have known it 0:24:17.293 --> 0:24:21.573 would and could survive one or two terms of Kamala 0:24:21.653 --> 0:24:23.093 Harris administration? 0:24:24.693 --> 0:24:28.773 Wow? Well, I think it would leave at best a 0:24:28.893 --> 0:24:36.173 remnant of political dissidents and communities that are now being formed, 0:24:36.333 --> 0:24:41.133 parallel communities that are being formed on the basis of 0:24:41.173 --> 0:24:45.213 what you and I value, which is freedom, free markets. 0:24:46.293 --> 0:24:52.333 But these are parallel communities that would survive somehow, like 0:24:52.493 --> 0:24:55.493 for example, the Amish in the United States, no matter 0:24:55.533 --> 0:24:58.853 what happens to the political establishment here or the whole 0:24:58.893 --> 0:25:02.973 economic system for the most part these people would survive. 0:25:03.533 --> 0:25:08.293 This is the kind of parallel economic and social bodies 0:25:08.493 --> 0:25:12.053 that I think are forming in advance of all of this. 0:25:12.293 --> 0:25:16.173 And they would survive. But how long it's hard to say. 0:25:16.413 --> 0:25:19.413 And how many of them there would be, and how 0:25:19.413 --> 0:25:22.893 many people they would have contain, very very hard to say. 0:25:23.493 --> 0:25:27.493 But the overall economic order of the United States could 0:25:27.573 --> 0:25:32.973 be plunged into a kind of post USSR disaster or 0:25:33.253 --> 0:25:37.573 you know, the kind of economics that the USSR had 0:25:37.733 --> 0:25:41.493 prior to their collapse, their total collapse. It would be 0:25:41.693 --> 0:25:44.253 hard to take down the United States. You know, you 0:25:44.293 --> 0:25:48.213 look around, you go to New York, you fly over 0:25:48.253 --> 0:25:52.573 these cities, you see the vastness of this landscape and 0:25:52.733 --> 0:25:56.213 the incredible resources that have been built up here. It 0:25:56.293 --> 0:25:58.533 takes a lot to tear it down. It takes a 0:25:58.693 --> 0:26:03.773 lot concerted effort, but it would be it would be hobbled, 0:26:04.133 --> 0:26:08.813 severely hobbled at best after four years, and after eight years, 0:26:09.053 --> 0:26:10.053 it'll be on its knees. 0:26:10.973 --> 0:26:12.533 I don't want to use the word challenge. We're I'm 0:26:12.533 --> 0:26:14.573 going to challenge you just slightly on some of that 0:26:16.733 --> 0:26:20.413 we've we've just we just discussed the CBDCs and the 0:26:20.453 --> 0:26:24.733 control that they would give the administration whatever form the 0:26:24.773 --> 0:26:28.973 administration was in. So on that basis and the fact 0:26:29.053 --> 0:26:31.853 that the Amish I mean to armies land by the way, 0:26:32.133 --> 0:26:35.773 and I was, I was, I couldn't believe. I was fascinated. 0:26:36.173 --> 0:26:39.053 But the armies have survived because they had the freedom 0:26:39.093 --> 0:26:42.733 to do what they wanted to do. When you when 0:26:42.733 --> 0:26:45.053 you don't have that freedom, when that's taken away from you, 0:26:46.213 --> 0:26:52.013 and let's say it it revolves around the administration of finance, 0:26:53.013 --> 0:26:56.533 then the things aren't going to be so easy. 0:26:57.013 --> 0:27:01.413 No, yeah, I think it would be very difficult. And 0:27:01.453 --> 0:27:06.773 the incursions of the overarching economic order into those places 0:27:06.853 --> 0:27:10.773 would be very hard to resist, and also the states 0:27:10.853 --> 0:27:14.333 impositions on them would be very difficult. I mean, we 0:27:14.493 --> 0:27:18.413