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Speaker 2: Welcome to Podcast two hundred and fifty six for September eighteen,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. Now, for long time attendees of this podcast,

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Speaker 2: the name Michael Recton World will be familiar. For those

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Speaker 2: who are not so informed, you'll find his background most interesting.

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Speaker 2: From two thousand and eight to twenty nineteen, he was

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Speaker 2: professor of Liberal Studies at New York University, and he

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Speaker 2: was a convicted Marxist communist. Then he saw the light

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Speaker 2: and transitd to libertarianism. Now that was the end of

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Speaker 2: his position at New York University. He was relieved of

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Speaker 2: his post. He guested first on podcast one oh one

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one, and that was in March twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty one, and again for podcast one seventy three in

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Speaker 2: September of twenty two. Kamala Harris, Democrat contender for the

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Speaker 2: US presidency, has been acclaimed the most left wing Socialist

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Speaker 2: member of the Senate as vice President. She is frequently

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Speaker 2: tagged a Marxist. So what is she? That's a bone

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Speaker 2: of contention rife among commentators of all political persuasions, Marxist

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Speaker 2: or empty head, And that's a polite call. Who better

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Speaker 2: to seek advice from than a past Marxist commonist professor

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Speaker 2: Michael Rechtenwald. But first, once again on the podcast morning,

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Speaker 2: I find that there is so much of interest that

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Speaker 2: I simply can't cover it all, in fact, nowhere near it.

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Speaker 2: But this is a common complaint on my part, I know,

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Speaker 2: but it's true. There is so much. So I thought, well,

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Speaker 2: actually I had a couple of ideas this morning that

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Speaker 2: from one of our more recent guests, Robert McCulloch from

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Speaker 2: Auckland University, who was in podcast number two hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty one. And I'm going to quote you. This is

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Speaker 2: there is I disagree with him on this particular point,

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Speaker 2: and I'll explain why shortly. Headed has This is from

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Speaker 2: his blog site down to earth dot Kiwi. Down to

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Speaker 2: earth dot Kiwi has former pm Adern become New Zealand's

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Speaker 2: single biggest individual emitter of greenhouse gases, and it reads

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Speaker 2: it's impossible to keep up with the former pm Adern's

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Speaker 2: emissions of greenhouse gazes. Where she has traveled on carbon

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Speaker 2: How ironic when you get homesick? How about around the

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Speaker 2: world flight back to good old New Zealand to marry

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Speaker 2: on location at a Vignard Yes, in January of twenty four,

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Speaker 2: And why go to well I didn't see anything on

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Speaker 2: her performance in there, did you? But you could say

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Speaker 2: like it than me. And why go to Italy once

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Speaker 2: Competence would be a nice one to add, though always

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Speaker 2: seems to be missing off her list. I don't think

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Speaker 2: travel on this blog, provided carbon emissions are priced, though

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Speaker 2: handedly blow our reduction targets. Now, that's a critical column

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Speaker 2: I'm saying or suggesting at least it's worth consideration that

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Speaker 2: And I think that we should follow her lead. Robert McCulloch,

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Speaker 2: I'll see you at the airport. Michael Recton wat it's

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Speaker 3: Thank you thanks for having me, and it's great to

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Speaker 2: I was triggered to make contact with you because you

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Speaker 2: a libertarian basically, and even a conservative libertarian maybe like

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Speaker 2: I've known or have spoken with on Marxism and what

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Speaker 2: they say frequently you can read it in headlines all

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Speaker 2: after all, her father was a Marxist professor, So why

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Speaker 2: wouldn't she be or couldn't she be with your experience,

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Speaker 2: would you call her a Marxist?

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's a great question. I would say that Kamala

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Speaker 3: therefore they need redistribution. There needs to be redistribution, and

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Speaker 3: And you know, it's a zero sum thinking. It assumes

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Speaker 3: which is just fallacious. It's completely economic dribble. You know,

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Speaker 3: her father was a Marxist economist, which is a contradiction

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Speaker 3: in terms Marxism is not economics at all. It is

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Speaker 2: What a new opinion qualifies somebody as a Marxist, Well, if.

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Speaker 3: They were a conscious Marxist, they have to believe a

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Speaker 3: the current era in terms of the proletariat and the

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Speaker 3: capitalist class. And the capitalist class, according to this theory,

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Speaker 3: on a regular day to day, minute by minute basis,

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Speaker 3: paying them a fraction of what they really produce. Of course,

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Speaker 3: this is all complete nonsense because there's so many factors

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Speaker 3: If that were the case, I could go out and

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Speaker 2: Did you have got to the Soviet Union?

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Speaker 3: No? I did not, had I gone to this. Had

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Speaker 3: I might have seen things differently. But to the Marxists,

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Speaker 2: If Kavala was on the Marxist story, you weren't going

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Speaker 3: also total social welfare inclusive of healthcare benefits for anybody

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Speaker 3: But what was your term?

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Speaker 3: a highly accelerated progressivism. Okay, yeah, I mean she really

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Speaker 3: which is really quite ironic because if anything, her policies

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Speaker 3: that's really what it will come down to.

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Speaker 2: Well, we had a Prime minister recently who claimed she

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Speaker 2: Oh, you must be a conspiracy theorist.

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Speaker 3: working on people through direct force and coersion, but also propaganda,

431
00:29:17,813 --> 00:29:21,733
Speaker 3: so that it's hard to even find leaders who understand

432
00:29:21,773 --> 00:29:25,053
Speaker 3: what we're trying to save in the first place. And

433
00:29:25,053 --> 00:29:30,653
Speaker 3: they're penetrating local governments too, using Agenda twenty thirty, rules

434
00:29:30,653 --> 00:29:35,813
Speaker 3: and issues and so forth to create sort of fifteen

435
00:29:35,853 --> 00:29:39,453
Speaker 3: minute type cities and all this nonsense. This stuff has

436
00:29:39,533 --> 00:29:44,053
Speaker 3: penetrated local townships, and I know for a fact because

437
00:29:44,333 --> 00:29:49,413
Speaker 3: I witnessed it in Colorado where these the administrators there,

438
00:29:49,253 --> 00:29:55,213
Speaker 3: the local government was doing all these globalist things. So

439
00:29:55,373 --> 00:30:01,573
Speaker 3: it requires an educated and resilient, recalcitrant remnant running the

440
00:30:01,613 --> 00:30:05,613
Speaker 3: show in those various local places and resisting the federal

441
00:30:06,453 --> 00:30:10,413
Speaker 3: incursions as much as possible. It's a very difficult proposition.

442
00:30:11,133 --> 00:30:14,693
Speaker 3: In the United States, there's an organization. I'm bragging about

443
00:30:14,693 --> 00:30:16,853
Speaker 3: it here because I'm involved with. It's called the Mesis

444
00:30:16,893 --> 00:30:20,493
Speaker 3: Caucus of the Libertarian Party, and that is the plan

445
00:30:21,213 --> 00:30:23,773
Speaker 3: of the Mesas Caucus now has been adopted by the

446
00:30:23,813 --> 00:30:29,973
Speaker 3: Libertarian Party. It's called Project Decentralized Revolution. It's really only

447
00:30:30,013 --> 00:30:34,813
Speaker 3: a revolution back to the kind of anti federalist, anti

448
00:30:34,933 --> 00:30:39,813
Speaker 3: centralized government that the founders actually envisioned in the first place,

449
00:30:40,573 --> 00:30:43,733
Speaker 3: and that the states would be autonomous except in matters

450
00:30:44,293 --> 00:30:51,413
Speaker 3: relating to constitutional provisions that the federal government had authority over.

451
00:30:51,813 --> 00:30:55,253
Speaker 3: In other words, only those things the federal government explicitly

452
00:30:55,333 --> 00:30:59,933
Speaker 3: has authority over can be imposed on the states. Everything

453
00:30:59,933 --> 00:31:03,933
Speaker 3: else can be nullified. It's difficult, but it can be done,

454
00:31:03,933 --> 00:31:06,973
Speaker 3: and there are cases of nullification happening all over the place.

455
00:31:08,853 --> 00:31:12,093
Speaker 3: And you know, one of the other movements that's really

456
00:31:12,133 --> 00:31:14,813
Speaker 3: along these lines is called the Defend the Guard movement

457
00:31:14,813 --> 00:31:18,933
Speaker 3: in the United States. It's a movement to preclude the

458
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Speaker 3: use of national guards state national guardsmen in undeclared wars

459
00:31:25,253 --> 00:31:29,573
Speaker 3: across the globe. This is another way of the states

460
00:31:30,533 --> 00:31:36,413
Speaker 3: asserting their own autonomy and it's not allowed to you know.

461
00:31:37,453 --> 00:31:40,893
Speaker 3: You know, technically the United States cannot fight fight wars

462
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Speaker 3: without a declaration from Congress, but it's been going on

463
00:31:44,453 --> 00:31:49,933
Speaker 3: without without really any hesitation otherwise. But at least they

464
00:31:50,013 --> 00:31:54,173
Speaker 3: could reserve their own National Guard and keep them at

465
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Speaker 3: bay and keep them from participating. So things like this,

466
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Speaker 3: Defend the Guard, decentralized revolution, all of these things can

467
00:32:02,053 --> 00:32:06,733
Speaker 3: be done, and they're already underway in some places. But

468
00:32:06,853 --> 00:32:09,973
Speaker 3: it's very difficult. It's not going to be easy. Nobody

469
00:32:10,053 --> 00:32:14,493
Speaker 3: said that this remnant will struggle against this kind of

470
00:32:14,653 --> 00:32:16,653
Speaker 3: detlitarianism that we're up against.

471
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Speaker 2: Right. This is a side by question, but it's related

472
00:32:20,733 --> 00:32:24,013
Speaker 2: from this far away. I've watched the story of the

473
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Speaker 2: Southern border unfold and if you go back, if you

474
00:32:28,813 --> 00:32:31,973
Speaker 2: go back four or five years, where it was already

475
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Speaker 2: a problem. Now it's more than a problem, but it

476
00:32:37,573 --> 00:32:41,333
Speaker 2: was a state of well, chaos wouldn't be the wrong word,

477
00:32:42,453 --> 00:32:49,253
Speaker 2: and the Southern border gradually, actually in a rush, became

478
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Speaker 2: no Southern border. And what number do you do you

479
00:32:54,053 --> 00:32:56,493
Speaker 2: use when you talk about the number of illegal immigrants

480
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Speaker 2: who have come across that border in the last few years.

481
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Speaker 3: I would say it's upwards of fifteen million, roughly upwards

482
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Speaker 3: of fifteen million, because the reports are somewhere around ten

483
00:33:10,213 --> 00:33:13,973
Speaker 3: or eleven, and I would say they're missing some people,

484
00:33:14,053 --> 00:33:18,173
Speaker 3: of course, so I think it's upwards of fifteen million,

485
00:33:19,133 --> 00:33:20,373
Speaker 3: and that's a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: Well, you had the Texas governor take a stand on this,

487
00:33:27,053 --> 00:33:32,133
Speaker 2: and the fence off some areas of the along the river,

488
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Speaker 2: the name of which escapes me.

489
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Speaker 3: I can't remember the name either right now.

490
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Speaker 2: Anyway, anyway, they tried doing that, and then the White

491
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Speaker 2: House sent down who was it that they sent which

492
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Speaker 2: particular grouping of military did they send down to ord

493
00:33:49,733 --> 00:33:51,453
Speaker 2: to try to put us up to it? And I'm

494
00:33:51,453 --> 00:33:53,653
Speaker 2: not sure. I'm not sure how it ended.

495
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Speaker 3: You know, that's a good question. That's a story that

496
00:33:57,373 --> 00:34:02,693
Speaker 3: sort of disappeared, yep, and it needs to be examined.

497
00:34:03,013 --> 00:34:07,173
Speaker 3: But I think the standoff was using or an attempt

498
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Speaker 3: to use, the National Guard. But the National Guard are

499
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Speaker 3: state based, so I don't think they were able to

500
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Speaker 3: actually use any militia against this, against the fencing that

501
00:34:19,413 --> 00:34:23,693
Speaker 3: took place, and you're right, the body of water escapes me.

502
00:34:24,333 --> 00:34:28,933
Speaker 3: But they erected barbois fences and so forth to keep

503
00:34:29,493 --> 00:34:35,973
Speaker 3: people from crossing into Texas, and that's perfectly legitimate in

504
00:34:36,013 --> 00:34:40,773
Speaker 3: my mind. I think immigration should be handled at the

505
00:34:40,813 --> 00:34:44,213
Speaker 3: local level as much as possible. But the main thing

506
00:34:44,293 --> 00:34:46,973
Speaker 3: that's really going on here with this immigration is the

507
00:34:47,013 --> 00:34:51,253
Speaker 3: incentivizing of it to the tune of billions tens of

508
00:34:51,413 --> 00:34:56,333
Speaker 3: billions of dollars. The federal government is not directly funding it.

509
00:34:56,453 --> 00:34:59,013
Speaker 3: What they're doing is a little ledger domain in which

510
00:34:59,053 --> 00:35:03,533
Speaker 3: they use a middlemen, the NGOs, and they're handing out

511
00:35:03,573 --> 00:35:07,133
Speaker 3: tens of billions of dollars to these charities so called

512
00:35:07,133 --> 00:35:12,293
Speaker 3: these philanthropy and letting them distribute the money. And this

513
00:35:12,493 --> 00:35:17,533
Speaker 3: is in the form of everything from debit cards to transportation,

514
00:35:17,773 --> 00:35:22,653
Speaker 3: to housing, to healthcare to everything. This is being accommodated

515
00:35:22,693 --> 00:35:27,093
Speaker 3: through these NGOs largely. And then the States then in

516
00:35:27,213 --> 00:35:30,133
Speaker 3: the when this when the immigrants arrived, then they grant

517
00:35:30,173 --> 00:35:34,413
Speaker 3: them housing and hotels and housing and who knows where

518
00:35:34,453 --> 00:35:39,013
Speaker 3: else apartment buildings. In the case of Aurora, Hi, Aurora, Ohio,

519
00:35:39,213 --> 00:35:44,333
Speaker 3: they actually took over at an apartment complex. Is driving

520
00:35:44,373 --> 00:35:48,973
Speaker 3: people out of their plate homes and just basically a

521
00:35:49,093 --> 00:35:52,453
Speaker 3: violent takeover of property. This is where we're at.

522
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Speaker 2: Well, we've seen that. I don't know about local television,

523
00:35:57,053 --> 00:36:00,053
Speaker 2: but it's been it's been seen on the cable from

524
00:36:00,053 --> 00:36:02,933
Speaker 2: the States down here. I've seen it on more than

525
00:36:02,933 --> 00:36:07,453
Speaker 2: one occasion, and it's just just plain ugly.

526
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Speaker 3: It's I'm believable, it's very ugly. It's just utter theft

527
00:36:13,573 --> 00:36:19,733
Speaker 3: of property and complete occupation of people's residences that they're

528
00:36:19,733 --> 00:36:24,293
Speaker 3: literally throwing people out of their homes and taking their property,

529
00:36:24,653 --> 00:36:27,453
Speaker 3: throwing it in the trash with if they don't want

530
00:36:27,453 --> 00:36:33,813
Speaker 3: it and occupying their property with the complete apparent okay

531
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Speaker 3: of the local authorities. They are doing nothing about it.

532
00:36:37,933 --> 00:36:40,253
Speaker 3: They aren't doing anything to stop it, and they're not

533
00:36:40,333 --> 00:36:43,813
Speaker 3: doing anything to reverse it when it happens. So in

534
00:36:43,853 --> 00:36:46,253
Speaker 3: this case, what we're looking at, if Trump got in,

535
00:36:46,573 --> 00:36:53,133
Speaker 3: hopefully he would have these places completely retaken. They have

536
00:36:53,173 --> 00:36:56,093
Speaker 3: to have a counter insurgence to get these properties back,

537
00:36:57,053 --> 00:37:00,413
Speaker 3: and that would be probably one of the first orders

538
00:37:00,413 --> 00:37:04,493
Speaker 3: of business, I think, because if you're going to go after, oh,

539
00:37:04,613 --> 00:37:06,973
Speaker 3: the illegals and deport them, I would think you might

540
00:37:07,013 --> 00:37:10,133
Speaker 3: want to get the ones first who have actually taken

541
00:37:10,173 --> 00:37:14,813
Speaker 3: over other people's homes. It's unbelievable, is can you believe

542
00:37:14,813 --> 00:37:15,733
Speaker 3: we're even saying this.

543
00:37:16,493 --> 00:37:20,453
Speaker 2: Well, let's not forget that. It didn't start in Ohio. Really,

544
00:37:21,093 --> 00:37:23,853
Speaker 2: it started up in New York as far as I'm aware.

545
00:37:23,933 --> 00:37:27,413
Speaker 2: Where you may have seen the woman on television who

546
00:37:27,453 --> 00:37:31,133
Speaker 2: had been away, away somewhere, came back. The house had

547
00:37:31,133 --> 00:37:34,493
Speaker 2: been occupied, and she called the police, and the police

548
00:37:34,573 --> 00:37:35,253
Speaker 2: arrested her.

549
00:37:36,613 --> 00:37:40,173
Speaker 3: Yes, the owner squatter's rights. Yes, based on squatters rights.

550
00:37:40,173 --> 00:37:43,373
Speaker 3: Once you get ahold of a property, that's it. In

551
00:37:43,453 --> 00:37:47,773
Speaker 3: New York, you are out it's unbelievable. So there's no

552
00:37:47,973 --> 00:37:52,133
Speaker 3: sense of property rights. In many places now property rights

553
00:37:52,173 --> 00:37:57,453
Speaker 3: are being completely abrogated. There is no sense that property

554
00:37:57,613 --> 00:38:00,413
Speaker 3: is real and that people have a right to it.

555
00:38:00,653 --> 00:38:04,053
Speaker 3: This has been one of the main reasons, I think

556
00:38:04,173 --> 00:38:07,853
Speaker 3: for the whole Wok ideology, is to make people believe

557
00:38:07,893 --> 00:38:09,973
Speaker 3: that they don't have any right to what they have,

558
00:38:10,773 --> 00:38:13,373
Speaker 3: that in fact they should feel guilty and should abdicate

559
00:38:13,453 --> 00:38:17,133
Speaker 3: it or or otherwise have been divested from it by

560
00:38:17,173 --> 00:38:21,373
Speaker 3: the authorities. That that's it's just it's unbelievable.

561
00:38:21,493 --> 00:38:23,493
Speaker 2: And you've got to wonder if the world's gone insane.

562
00:38:24,093 --> 00:38:27,333
Speaker 2: The substackt that you write for under the name if

563
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Speaker 2: my memory serves me correctly of and don't tell me

564
00:38:32,333 --> 00:38:38,453
Speaker 2: m recton wald great at substack dot com that's correct,

565
00:38:39,013 --> 00:38:43,453
Speaker 2: contains a large number of your offerings over the last

566
00:38:43,773 --> 00:38:47,133
Speaker 2: over the last couple of years, and it's it's an

567
00:38:47,253 --> 00:38:52,533
Speaker 2: extremely profitable place to spend a bit of time, in fact,

568
00:38:52,733 --> 00:38:55,253
Speaker 2: more than a bit of time, because it's very educational.

569
00:38:56,253 --> 00:39:00,733
Speaker 2: I just wonder every everybody these days and their uncle

570
00:39:01,733 --> 00:39:06,053
Speaker 2: is writing substact stuff. I'm watching the increase of it

571
00:39:06,173 --> 00:39:10,493
Speaker 2: just in our country, and it's turning out some extremely

572
00:39:10,573 --> 00:39:15,573
Speaker 2: good commentary, such stuff that the mainstream media simply wouldn't

573
00:39:15,773 --> 00:39:20,893
Speaker 2: wouldn't consider. And I suppose it's probably a long stretch

574
00:39:20,973 --> 00:39:24,253
Speaker 2: to refer to it as a contemporary version of those

575
00:39:24,293 --> 00:39:27,253
Speaker 2: pamphlets that were written back in the seventeen hundreds. I

576
00:39:27,253 --> 00:39:32,773
Speaker 2: think in your country. But is that a good ground, Well,

577
00:39:32,853 --> 00:39:36,093
Speaker 2: let's stay with you and yours. I would imagine you

578
00:39:36,133 --> 00:39:39,213
Speaker 2: have good readership, but there are so many now that

579
00:39:39,253 --> 00:39:42,773
Speaker 2: it's hard to know exactly where to spend your time.

580
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very difficult to tell. I have a good

581
00:39:45,933 --> 00:39:51,813
Speaker 3: subscriber base. I think it's upwards of twenty five subscribers.

582
00:39:52,533 --> 00:39:59,053
Speaker 3: And I was very hesitant to move my work off

583
00:39:59,093 --> 00:40:02,533
Speaker 3: of my own website, Michael rectinwall dot com and to

584
00:40:02,573 --> 00:40:07,693
Speaker 3: put it first on substack. But I reach a much

585
00:40:07,813 --> 00:40:11,693
Speaker 3: broader eye audience this way. It's incredible how it just

586
00:40:11,853 --> 00:40:17,173
Speaker 3: traffics people between these various substack sites. And likewise, I've

587
00:40:17,293 --> 00:40:21,373
Speaker 3: gained tremendous reach over this, and so I don't regret it.

588
00:40:21,453 --> 00:40:25,053
Speaker 3: I do try to keep my other page up to date,

589
00:40:25,173 --> 00:40:28,253
Speaker 3: but I let the substack lead the way now, and

590
00:40:28,333 --> 00:40:31,013
Speaker 3: it's just very it's very good. It's a good way

591
00:40:31,053 --> 00:40:34,333
Speaker 3: of reaching a lot of people. You might call it

592
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Speaker 3: like a kind of pamphleteering, as in, you know in

593
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Speaker 3: England during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, you know when

594
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Speaker 3: you had Addison and Steel and others writing for the

595
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Speaker 3: public in these kind of public squares. It's the new

596
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Speaker 3: public square for a long form, at least more than

597
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Speaker 3: a tweet long content.

598
00:40:58,013 --> 00:41:01,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got to refer to something as something else.

599
00:41:03,453 --> 00:41:06,813
Speaker 2: The university prefaces have started the petition for academics already

600
00:41:06,853 --> 00:41:11,493
Speaker 2: behind Donald Trump in the twenty twenty four presidential election.

601
00:41:11,573 --> 00:41:15,733
Speaker 2: The petition's statement, a project of Professor Daniel Klein of

602
00:41:15,853 --> 00:41:20,013
Speaker 2: George Mason University and Daniel Mahoney or that should be

603
00:41:20,053 --> 00:41:25,813
Speaker 2: many probably, professor emeritus of Political Science at Assumption University,

604
00:41:25,973 --> 00:41:30,613
Speaker 2: encourages scholars to support the Republican candidate. The article goes

605
00:41:30,653 --> 00:41:34,493
Speaker 2: on with more detailed but this is how it finishes. However,

606
00:41:34,653 --> 00:41:38,453
Speaker 2: he said, a Kamala Harris administration would be catastrophic. While

607
00:41:38,453 --> 00:41:41,333
Speaker 2: President Trump can be thought of as a bad landlord,

608
00:41:41,693 --> 00:41:44,333
Speaker 2: the Harris administration is a further step on the road

609
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Speaker 2: to serfdom, a step toward totalitarianism. Censorship suppression law fare

610
00:41:50,293 --> 00:41:54,333
Speaker 2: and attacks on the affluent middle class. The Democrats are

611
00:41:54,413 --> 00:41:58,933
Speaker 2: a passionate, indoctrinated mob that cares little for freedom. Now,

612
00:41:59,813 --> 00:42:03,653
Speaker 2: a lot of people, if they were reading that, i'd suggest,

613
00:42:03,693 --> 00:42:08,053
Speaker 2: would think, oh, what an exaggeration. It's nowhere near anything

614
00:42:08,373 --> 00:42:10,333
Speaker 2: as bad as that. Your response.

615
00:42:11,693 --> 00:42:16,493
Speaker 3: I've been saying we were headed towards totalitarianism for approximately

616
00:42:17,373 --> 00:42:21,453
Speaker 3: nine years now, and I think it's great that some

617
00:42:21,493 --> 00:42:24,293
Speaker 3: people are catching up, and and it's amazing that you're

618
00:42:24,333 --> 00:42:29,973
Speaker 3: seeing a profess certain segments of the Professoriat actually finally

619
00:42:30,013 --> 00:42:33,413
Speaker 3: catching up to this. And yeah, I think he's correct.

620
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Speaker 3: You know, you're going to see with with Harris, you

621
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Speaker 3: would see a totalitarian regime, you know, in in if

622
00:42:42,213 --> 00:42:45,573
Speaker 3: not in full force, in in accelerated motion. And so

623
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Speaker 3: I think that is a very good development, and I

624
00:42:48,653 --> 00:42:52,013
Speaker 3: hope more more academics. But I think that many of

625
00:42:52,053 --> 00:42:58,653
Speaker 3: them will be cold and quailed, afraid to join because

626
00:42:58,693 --> 00:43:00,733
Speaker 3: it could mean the end of their careers as they do.

627
00:43:01,413 --> 00:43:02,333
Speaker 3: That's how bad it is.

628
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Speaker 2: Well, we know that because you fell into that either

629
00:43:05,413 --> 00:43:09,453
Speaker 2: that very category, but you had you had survived. But

630
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Speaker 2: I'm guessing you'd say that it might be harder to

631
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Speaker 2: survive now. Because the market that you've you've helped create

632
00:43:19,493 --> 00:43:21,973
Speaker 2: is probably busy enough.

633
00:43:22,813 --> 00:43:26,373
Speaker 3: Yes, it's not easy. As I had a virtual sinecure

634
00:43:26,493 --> 00:43:29,373
Speaker 3: as a university professor. I mean I did teach. I

635
00:43:29,493 --> 00:43:32,333
Speaker 3: taught two days a week if that was a full

636
00:43:32,373 --> 00:43:36,693
Speaker 3: time job, nine months a year, and I gave it

637
00:43:36,813 --> 00:43:42,253
Speaker 3: up because of my greater value, which is truth. And

638
00:43:42,293 --> 00:43:44,653
Speaker 3: that's why I went into academy in the first place.

639
00:43:44,733 --> 00:43:50,733
Speaker 3: So I wasn't going to sacrifice the truth for a sinecure.

640
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Speaker 3: It's just a drive. That would be a sniveling and

641
00:43:53,813 --> 00:43:56,933
Speaker 3: very obsequist thing to do, and I couldn't do it.

642
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Speaker 2: Why do you think the ruling class see is democracy?

643
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Speaker 3: Oh that's interesting because I've been writing about this question

644
00:44:04,133 --> 00:44:08,293
Speaker 3: of our democracy as they call it here. The Democrat

645
00:44:08,693 --> 00:44:13,293
Speaker 3: particularly use this phrase, and it's anything but democracy. What

646
00:44:13,333 --> 00:44:17,613
Speaker 3: they mean by our democracy is something like our rule,

647
00:44:18,693 --> 00:44:22,173
Speaker 3: a rule by our party or our uniparty, whatever you

648
00:44:22,213 --> 00:44:25,693
Speaker 3: want to call it, and anything else is a threat

649
00:44:25,733 --> 00:44:30,573
Speaker 3: to democracy. So what they mean by democracy is kind

650
00:44:30,613 --> 00:44:34,373
Speaker 3: of like ruled by the administrative state with our puppets

651
00:44:35,613 --> 00:44:42,173
Speaker 3: in place, carrying out the deep state or administrative states deciderata,

652
00:44:42,733 --> 00:44:48,813
Speaker 3: and anything else is a threat or anti democratic or

653
00:44:48,893 --> 00:44:52,973
Speaker 3: fascist or nazi or whatever else they want to call it.

654
00:44:53,173 --> 00:44:57,333
Speaker 3: And it's just such an irony because they're anything but democratic.

655
00:44:57,853 --> 00:45:02,733
Speaker 3: It's in fact the opposite of democratic. It's dictatorial. It's

656
00:45:02,733 --> 00:45:08,973
Speaker 3: a dictatorship by a particular elite of subversive elites, and

657
00:45:09,533 --> 00:45:13,653
Speaker 3: that's who's running the show. And they consider any threat

658
00:45:13,893 --> 00:45:20,093
Speaker 3: to their single, solitary control of power to be anti democratic.

659
00:45:20,133 --> 00:45:23,493
Speaker 3: That's what they call it. So they hate democracy because

660
00:45:23,973 --> 00:45:27,013
Speaker 3: look at the people that would vote, and they want

661
00:45:27,053 --> 00:45:31,733
Speaker 3: to discount these people. They want to discount the fact

662
00:45:31,813 --> 00:45:34,693
Speaker 3: that you have at least half the country. I think

663
00:45:34,733 --> 00:45:38,333
Speaker 3: it's more who favors Donald Trump here in the United

664
00:45:38,333 --> 00:45:42,613
Speaker 3: States as opposed to the regime puppet that they want

665
00:45:42,613 --> 00:45:48,893
Speaker 3: to prop up instead, and that's called anti democratic. So

666
00:45:49,413 --> 00:45:51,453
Speaker 3: that's the people they want to shut out. They don't

667
00:45:51,493 --> 00:45:55,173
Speaker 3: want them having a voice, they don't want them casting about,

668
00:45:55,533 --> 00:45:57,453
Speaker 3: or if they do, they want to make sure they

669
00:45:57,493 --> 00:46:02,613
Speaker 3: get enough additional ballots from god knows where, including immigrants,

670
00:46:02,733 --> 00:46:07,973
Speaker 3: I believe, another chicanery. Really, they want to make sure

671
00:46:08,053 --> 00:46:11,173
Speaker 3: that they get they keep power, and they're willing to

672
00:46:11,213 --> 00:46:14,293
Speaker 3: subvert democracy in the name of our democracy.

673
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Speaker 2: Such an irony well, I've heard if I've heard it once,

674
00:46:17,333 --> 00:46:22,173
Speaker 2: I've heard it a million times that the Democrats will

675
00:46:22,173 --> 00:46:26,973
Speaker 2: stop at nothing to retain power and win this election.

676
00:46:27,533 --> 00:46:31,173
Speaker 3: Yes, that's absolutely correct. I think they'll stop it nothing.

677
00:46:31,973 --> 00:46:35,293
Speaker 3: And I wouldn't even put it past them to precipitate

678
00:46:36,053 --> 00:46:41,093
Speaker 3: a world war with Russia in advance of this, because

679
00:46:41,973 --> 00:46:45,893
Speaker 3: then they'll be talking about the peaceful transfer of power

680
00:46:45,973 --> 00:46:48,173
Speaker 3: and how we have to keep it in certain hands

681
00:46:48,213 --> 00:46:52,933
Speaker 3: and we can't let Trump, who's a conciliator and a

682
00:46:52,973 --> 00:46:55,853
Speaker 3: putent poppet, we can't let him in power because he'll

683
00:46:56,853 --> 00:47:00,813
Speaker 3: he'll put us at existential risk. But likewise we must

684
00:47:00,813 --> 00:47:03,213
Speaker 3: continue and we may have to suspend the election. I

685
00:47:03,213 --> 00:47:05,293
Speaker 3: would not put that pass them, even.

686
00:47:05,293 --> 00:47:09,173
Speaker 2: It has crossed my mind, speaking of which I haven't

687
00:47:09,213 --> 00:47:11,933
Speaker 2: mentioned this on a podcast yet, but I'm going to

688
00:47:13,053 --> 00:47:15,613
Speaker 2: not that. Not that we've had many podcasts since that,

689
00:47:15,973 --> 00:47:20,333
Speaker 2: since that debate, but I said to my wife during

690
00:47:20,373 --> 00:47:23,813
Speaker 2: that debate, which wasn't a debate at the face, but

691
00:47:24,093 --> 00:47:29,013
Speaker 2: I said to her, she's had preconditioning with the questions,

692
00:47:29,693 --> 00:47:33,733
Speaker 2: and my wife said, no, no, no, they wouldn't dare

693
00:47:33,813 --> 00:47:38,693
Speaker 2: do that. She was look, she was responding, so immediately

694
00:47:39,173 --> 00:47:43,493
Speaker 2: so consistently with ret with what could only be described

695
00:47:43,493 --> 00:47:47,893
Speaker 2: as ready comments for every question. There was no hesitation.

696
00:47:49,013 --> 00:47:51,253
Speaker 2: It's just banged straight into it. Whether it was right

697
00:47:51,333 --> 00:47:53,453
Speaker 2: or wrong, or indifferent or whatever it was. It was

698
00:47:53,853 --> 00:47:57,213
Speaker 2: straight into it like she'd had like she'd had the

699
00:47:57,293 --> 00:47:59,653
Speaker 2: questions fed to her and been and been suare we say,

700
00:47:59,733 --> 00:48:04,773
Speaker 2: coached in them. And for anybody who who might struggle

701
00:48:04,773 --> 00:48:06,573
Speaker 2: to believe that, you've only got to look at the

702
00:48:06,733 --> 00:48:11,813
Speaker 2: the the interview that she did in Pennsylvania two days

703
00:48:11,893 --> 00:48:15,253
Speaker 2: later where she was asked where she was asked questions

704
00:48:15,253 --> 00:48:18,693
Speaker 2: by a lift leaning interviewer and she went back to

705
00:48:18,693 --> 00:48:21,853
Speaker 2: words Sellatville. Yeah, she gave disaster schounces.

706
00:48:22,333 --> 00:48:27,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know she I was almost shocked

707
00:48:27,213 --> 00:48:31,893
Speaker 3: at her cogency during this so called debate. But you know,

708
00:48:31,973 --> 00:48:37,573
Speaker 3: there is a whistleblower now that alleges that she was

709
00:48:37,653 --> 00:48:42,533
Speaker 3: given This is from an ABC whistleblower, that she was

710
00:48:42,733 --> 00:48:46,813
Speaker 3: given the questions, or at least given the parameters of

711
00:48:46,893 --> 00:48:52,693
Speaker 3: the questions where she was able to delimit the possible questions.

712
00:48:53,133 --> 00:48:57,653
Speaker 3: I think everything she said was utterly memorized. That was

713
00:48:57,693 --> 00:49:00,453
Speaker 3: a pretty impressive feat. I've done a lot of public

714
00:49:00,493 --> 00:49:03,453
Speaker 3: speaking and it's very difficult to memorize that much material.

715
00:49:03,493 --> 00:49:06,973
Speaker 3: But I believe it was memorized, and I think it

716
00:49:07,053 --> 00:49:10,213
Speaker 3: was ready made, ready to spit out at on queue,

717
00:49:10,613 --> 00:49:13,053
Speaker 3: and that's exactly what happened. I do believe she was

718
00:49:13,093 --> 00:49:17,693
Speaker 3: given some sort of information, if not the direct questions,

719
00:49:17,733 --> 00:49:22,213
Speaker 3: then the topics, and just had a ready answer for

720
00:49:22,333 --> 00:49:24,213
Speaker 3: every topic and subtopic.

721
00:49:25,373 --> 00:49:31,293
Speaker 2: I was aware of that whistleblower yesterday, and I decided

722
00:49:31,293 --> 00:49:36,653
Speaker 2: that I wouldn't raise it because I really need more

723
00:49:37,533 --> 00:49:39,173
Speaker 2: This is what I was thinking. I really, I really

724
00:49:39,173 --> 00:49:42,813
Speaker 2: need more confirmation of it than is currently available. I

725
00:49:42,853 --> 00:49:45,053
Speaker 2: saw that, I looked at I did a bit of research,

726
00:49:45,093 --> 00:49:49,013
Speaker 2: and I saw that there were sort of hints in

727
00:49:49,053 --> 00:49:54,813
Speaker 2: that direction from from elsewhere prior to that announcement yesterday.

728
00:49:55,253 --> 00:49:57,453
Speaker 2: One of the reasons that I decided to hold was

729
00:49:57,613 --> 00:50:01,413
Speaker 2: who was the guy who who worked for Trump who

730
00:50:02,013 --> 00:50:05,653
Speaker 2: announced on X that there would be in the next

731
00:50:06,053 --> 00:50:09,213
Speaker 2: couple of days, within a very short space of time,

732
00:50:10,133 --> 00:50:11,493
Speaker 2: that this would be revealed.

733
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Speaker 3: That could have been Steven Smith. Perhaps it wasn't him.

734
00:50:19,853 --> 00:50:23,013
Speaker 3: I don't have that information at the top of my tongue.

735
00:50:23,573 --> 00:50:25,493
Speaker 2: My tongue here it was somebody who'd been a bit

736
00:50:25,533 --> 00:50:29,893
Speaker 2: controversial in the past. That's that's why I held back.

737
00:50:31,533 --> 00:50:34,653
Speaker 2: But if that's true, you won't see it in the

738
00:50:34,653 --> 00:50:35,653
Speaker 2: New York Times.

739
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Speaker 3: I don't know even if it's true. You know, that's

740
00:50:39,853 --> 00:50:44,693
Speaker 3: just it. I mean, they're curating reality. Google New York Times,

741
00:50:44,773 --> 00:50:48,853
Speaker 3: the whole media plex that you know, they're curating information

742
00:50:49,053 --> 00:50:53,853
Speaker 3: to such an extent that they're effectively curating reality. And

743
00:50:53,933 --> 00:50:56,373
Speaker 3: it's very difficult to put pierce through it. And no

744
00:50:56,453 --> 00:51:00,013
Speaker 3: matter what evidence you provide, they just say, oh, that's

745
00:51:00,053 --> 00:51:02,733
Speaker 3: been debunked, and that's it for It's that's the end

746
00:51:02,733 --> 00:51:06,173
Speaker 3: of it. It's supposed to be a conversation stopper. My

747
00:51:06,293 --> 00:51:09,053
Speaker 3: assistant would know all this. This is Lori Price. She

748
00:51:09,053 --> 00:51:13,813
Speaker 3: she works in compiling news and keeping track of everything,

749
00:51:13,933 --> 00:51:17,093
Speaker 3: and she would she wouldn't know. But I don't have

750
00:51:17,173 --> 00:51:18,293
Speaker 3: that on a tip of my tongue.

751
00:51:18,893 --> 00:51:20,733
Speaker 2: This is a good spot, though, to raise something with

752
00:51:20,813 --> 00:51:25,093
Speaker 2: you that I've been intrigued with. You actually ran for

753
00:51:25,173 --> 00:51:29,213
Speaker 2: the presidency for the Libertarian Party. Correct?

754
00:51:29,493 --> 00:51:32,893
Speaker 3: I did? Yes, I did. I ran as a presidential

755
00:51:32,933 --> 00:51:34,573
Speaker 3: candidate and the Libertian Party.

756
00:51:34,773 --> 00:51:39,893
Speaker 2: If you were an official candidate, but you must have

757
00:51:40,093 --> 00:51:43,893
Speaker 2: known that you had no show of winning even if

758
00:51:43,893 --> 00:51:46,333
Speaker 2: you became the candidate, but you didn't, you got you

759
00:51:46,453 --> 00:51:48,853
Speaker 2: got defeated. But there's a story behind this. I know that,

760
00:51:49,013 --> 00:51:50,853
Speaker 2: So why don't you just drop it on us?

761
00:51:51,853 --> 00:51:58,173
Speaker 3: Sure? Okay? So I was the lead candidate for the

762
00:51:58,213 --> 00:52:04,893
Speaker 3: whole campaign, and then during the nomination process there were

763
00:52:04,933 --> 00:52:08,213
Speaker 3: they do what they call round voting, and therefore you

764
00:52:08,493 --> 00:52:10,973
Speaker 3: have to get fifty percent of the vote to win,

765
00:52:11,813 --> 00:52:14,853
Speaker 3: and so they eliminate people based on various you know

766
00:52:14,973 --> 00:52:18,093
Speaker 3: you got under this? Not sure? You know? They eliminate

767
00:52:18,173 --> 00:52:22,253
Speaker 3: the bottom first of all, the bottom candidate, and then

768
00:52:22,293 --> 00:52:24,853
Speaker 3: anybody that fails to get X amount. I forget the

769
00:52:24,893 --> 00:52:29,173
Speaker 3: exact criteria. Anyway, I won the first five rounds of voting,

770
00:52:30,733 --> 00:52:33,613
Speaker 3: and I was very close to breaking through to fifty percent.

771
00:52:34,293 --> 00:52:38,013
Speaker 3: And then there was a candidate that got eliminated in

772
00:52:38,173 --> 00:52:42,173
Speaker 3: the fourth round. I'm sorry in the fifth round. And

773
00:52:42,773 --> 00:52:47,173
Speaker 3: he had promised to if he was knocked out, although

774
00:52:47,213 --> 00:52:49,853
Speaker 3: he was stingy to admit it could happen, if he

775
00:52:49,933 --> 00:52:53,373
Speaker 3: was knocked out, he would definitely support me. He promised

776
00:52:53,373 --> 00:52:56,893
Speaker 3: this three times, no less and one time no less

777
00:52:56,933 --> 00:53:00,573
Speaker 3: than three seconds before he went up to announce that

778
00:53:00,693 --> 00:53:03,653
Speaker 3: he was throwing his support to the other candidate. He

779
00:53:03,693 --> 00:53:06,493
Speaker 3: even said it to my face three seconds before he

780
00:53:06,533 --> 00:53:09,533
Speaker 3: made his announcement. I said, you're not going to endorse

781
00:53:09,973 --> 00:53:12,333
Speaker 3: Chase Oliver, now, are you? And he said, oh no,

782
00:53:13,133 --> 00:53:16,813
Speaker 3: and then stepped up to the microphone and did just

783
00:53:16,893 --> 00:53:24,453
Speaker 3: that and became his vice presidential running mate. So then

784
00:53:24,613 --> 00:53:30,213
Speaker 3: I lost. And then Chase Oliver couldn't win even in

785
00:53:30,253 --> 00:53:32,973
Speaker 3: the next round because he didn't get fifty percent, so

786
00:53:33,013 --> 00:53:35,653
Speaker 3: he had to run against nobody, and they call it noda,

787
00:53:36,253 --> 00:53:39,973
Speaker 3: none of the above, and he barely won against nobody,

788
00:53:40,013 --> 00:53:43,573
Speaker 3: but he did. And that's what happened and what we

789
00:53:43,653 --> 00:53:46,413
Speaker 3: got in place of me, which is you were correct.

790
00:53:46,493 --> 00:53:53,093
Speaker 3: I'm a conservative culturally conservative libertarian, yes, and this guy

791
00:53:53,333 --> 00:53:57,533
Speaker 3: is actually for transing children and other things, you know.

792
00:53:57,613 --> 00:54:01,293
Speaker 3: And I'm not bitter about this because, frankly, I would

793
00:54:01,293 --> 00:54:04,093
Speaker 3: have been in a precarious position now had I won

794
00:54:04,133 --> 00:54:08,173
Speaker 3: the nomination of having to deal with the fact that

795
00:54:08,213 --> 00:54:11,813
Speaker 3: you have a presidential candidate who's been they've attempted to

796
00:54:11,853 --> 00:54:18,573
Speaker 3: assassinate twice or somebody has attempted, and who could can't

797
00:54:18,613 --> 00:54:21,933
Speaker 3: afford to lose any votes in the swing states. So

798
00:54:22,173 --> 00:54:24,413
Speaker 3: I would have had the position I would have been

799
00:54:24,453 --> 00:54:28,493
Speaker 3: in the very uncomfortable position of having either to take

800
00:54:28,573 --> 00:54:33,013
Speaker 3: votes and maybe deprived of Trump of the election, or

801
00:54:33,053 --> 00:54:37,533
Speaker 3: throw my support to Trump in those in those states,

802
00:54:37,573 --> 00:54:44,773
Speaker 3: I would have gotten tremendous criticism and you know, vehemence

803
00:54:44,933 --> 00:54:49,573
Speaker 3: either way, in one case from the libertarian people, the

804
00:54:49,573 --> 00:54:52,053
Speaker 3: Libertarian Party people, and in the other case from the

805
00:54:52,053 --> 00:54:56,773
Speaker 3: Trump people. Naturally, of course, I'm voting for Trump, and

806
00:54:57,693 --> 00:55:00,173
Speaker 3: I'll make no mistake about that. I'm voting for Trump,

807
00:55:00,293 --> 00:55:02,893
Speaker 3: and I might even have voted for him against myself

808
00:55:03,733 --> 00:55:11,293
Speaker 3: because I am in the swing state Pennsylvania. Well, the.

809
00:55:14,613 --> 00:55:18,213
Speaker 2: If you'd won, what what would that have meant to

810
00:55:18,253 --> 00:55:18,653
Speaker 2: your life?

811
00:55:20,373 --> 00:55:21,933
Speaker 3: It would have meant a lot of travel, a lot

812
00:55:21,973 --> 00:55:24,333
Speaker 3: more travel. I'd already done a whole year of travel

813
00:55:24,613 --> 00:55:30,973
Speaker 3: doing this, traveling to all the states, doing all the conventions, participating.

814
00:55:30,973 --> 00:55:35,773
Speaker 3: We had twenty five thirty debates. I mean, it's nothing

815
00:55:35,853 --> 00:55:38,893
Speaker 3: like the Republican or Democratic primary, so you know, there's

816
00:55:38,973 --> 00:55:42,573
Speaker 3: twenty five or thirty debates. I would have continued to

817
00:55:42,693 --> 00:55:44,693
Speaker 3: do that. I would have got a lot of press attention,

818
00:55:44,893 --> 00:55:47,973
Speaker 3: probably a lot of negative attention, because what I was

819
00:55:48,013 --> 00:55:51,613
Speaker 3: saying was get rid of the administrative state altogether. Get

820
00:55:51,733 --> 00:55:57,573
Speaker 3: rid of the regulatory agencies, get rid of the intelligence agencies.

821
00:55:58,413 --> 00:56:02,173
Speaker 3: Start gutting the federal government because we can't. We cannot

822
00:56:02,213 --> 00:56:05,733
Speaker 3: survive under it. It is crushing us, and it is

823
00:56:05,813 --> 00:56:09,413
Speaker 3: crushing the economy, and it's a it's crushed people's lives.

824
00:56:09,933 --> 00:56:12,773
Speaker 3: They're not working for us, They're working on their own behalf.

825
00:56:13,453 --> 00:56:18,133
Speaker 3: They don't care about the general welfare. They're you know,

826
00:56:18,253 --> 00:56:21,133
Speaker 3: everybody is self interested, So why do you give certain

827
00:56:21,133 --> 00:56:25,653
Speaker 3: people monopoly over power? You know, since everybody is self interested.

828
00:56:25,773 --> 00:56:28,253
Speaker 3: I mean, it's quite frankly between you and me and

829
00:56:28,333 --> 00:56:32,173
Speaker 3: your listeners. I was running as an anarcho capitalist, that is,

830
00:56:33,053 --> 00:56:36,373
Speaker 3: free market, no state at all, and I thought that,

831
00:56:36,493 --> 00:56:38,213
Speaker 3: you know, I was going to argue that the federal

832
00:56:38,253 --> 00:56:41,613
Speaker 3: government should be dissolved. What do we needed for? And

833
00:56:42,693 --> 00:56:44,893
Speaker 3: you know, that would have been interesting, not to say

834
00:56:44,933 --> 00:56:47,853
Speaker 3: the least, it would have been perhaps the most radical

835
00:56:48,453 --> 00:56:51,053
Speaker 3: presidential candidate in history.

836
00:56:51,413 --> 00:56:55,693
Speaker 2: Well, that would have been a fascinating thing to watch. Yeah,

837
00:56:55,853 --> 00:57:00,693
Speaker 2: I purposely lift out until the until the end, any

838
00:57:00,773 --> 00:57:05,773
Speaker 2: any discussion of Trump and what's been going on that

839
00:57:05,813 --> 00:57:10,653
Speaker 2: attempted assassination of the over the last weekend. Only a

840
00:57:10,653 --> 00:57:14,533
Speaker 2: couple of days ago, now has shocked a lot of people,

841
00:57:14,933 --> 00:57:19,533
Speaker 2: or is it now something that has been what's the word,

842
00:57:19,613 --> 00:57:24,653
Speaker 2: I want softened? People have been softened by the first experience,

843
00:57:24,733 --> 00:57:28,893
Speaker 2: now the second experience, So there's a third attempt, people

844
00:57:29,093 --> 00:57:30,013
Speaker 2: might start yawning.

845
00:57:31,853 --> 00:57:35,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's ridiculous. I mean, we've had assassination attempts, two

846
00:57:35,293 --> 00:57:42,453
Speaker 3: assassination attempts on a presidential candidate, and the establishment media

847
00:57:42,613 --> 00:57:49,093
Speaker 3: couldn't be less interested, really and dismissive and putting scare

848
00:57:49,173 --> 00:57:53,533
Speaker 3: quotes on assassination attempt in every case they can, and

849
00:57:53,733 --> 00:57:59,213
Speaker 3: blaming Trump for his rhetoric, effectively what they call blaming

850
00:57:59,253 --> 00:58:03,893
Speaker 3: the victim. You know, NBC News has Lester Holt said,

851
00:58:04,773 --> 00:58:08,413
Speaker 3: you know this, this assassination attempt is really coming on

852
00:58:08,493 --> 00:58:12,853
Speaker 3: the heels of violent and incendiary rhetoric coming out of

853
00:58:12,853 --> 00:58:16,933
Speaker 3: the Trump campaign. They blamed Trump for people shooting at

854
00:58:16,973 --> 00:58:19,253
Speaker 3: him or attempting to shoot at him, or wanting to

855
00:58:19,293 --> 00:58:23,613
Speaker 3: shoot at him. It's unbelievable. So I can't be I'm

856
00:58:23,693 --> 00:58:27,773
Speaker 3: just amazed at how people have been habituated to this

857
00:58:28,733 --> 00:58:33,533
Speaker 3: and can particularly just forget about it, you know, weeks

858
00:58:33,653 --> 00:58:38,653
Speaker 3: or days after when we're having political violence here in

859
00:58:38,693 --> 00:58:42,373
Speaker 3: the United States, not on an unprecedented scale. After all,

860
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Speaker 3: we did witness the assassination of JFK and of course

861
00:58:46,333 --> 00:58:50,693
Speaker 3: Robert Kennedy and also Martin Luther King. It's not alien

862
00:58:50,733 --> 00:58:53,813
Speaker 3: to us. But here we have it right now, and

863
00:58:53,853 --> 00:58:57,173
Speaker 3: it's the same person every time. And if this were

864
00:58:57,253 --> 00:58:59,093
Speaker 3: the other if the shoe were on the other foot,

865
00:58:59,173 --> 00:59:02,493
Speaker 3: you would believe there would be endless commentary on news,

866
00:59:03,253 --> 00:59:08,293
Speaker 3: endless op eds in the papers to crying political violence,

867
00:59:08,333 --> 00:59:11,933
Speaker 3: and also to crying Trump's role in it. They would

868
00:59:11,933 --> 00:59:14,013
Speaker 3: have blamed them. They're blaming him in either case they

869
00:59:14,013 --> 00:59:16,213
Speaker 3: shoot at them and they blame them, or if they

870
00:59:16,293 --> 00:59:18,973
Speaker 3: shoot at somebody else, they would certainly blame them. So

871
00:59:19,093 --> 00:59:24,373
Speaker 3: it's just unbelievable. We're living in a similacrum, if you will,

872
00:59:24,493 --> 00:59:31,013
Speaker 3: a media similacrum in which they completely curtail and inquiry

873
00:59:31,133 --> 00:59:36,653
Speaker 3: and shut off thinking and curate reality. It's a stunning

874
00:59:36,693 --> 00:59:38,333
Speaker 3: it's a stunning development. It is.

875
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Speaker 2: So I think my last question is going to be this,

876
00:59:42,213 --> 00:59:45,253
Speaker 2: If the worst happened between now and the election and

877
00:59:45,293 --> 00:59:49,373
Speaker 2: Trump was moving, what do you think the reaction from

878
00:59:49,373 --> 00:59:51,453
Speaker 2: the population would be.

879
00:59:52,213 --> 00:59:56,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a real good one. There'll be there would

880
00:59:56,573 --> 01:00:00,893
Speaker 3: be a lot of talk, at least talk of an uprising.

881
01:00:01,053 --> 01:00:04,093
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that the uprising would ever materialize, but

882
01:00:04,173 --> 01:00:07,413
Speaker 3: there would be an enormous amount of rhetoric in that direction.

883
01:00:08,493 --> 01:00:11,733
Speaker 3: I could see X, for example, the former Twitter blowing

884
01:00:11,813 --> 01:00:19,733
Speaker 3: up with threat you know, with plans and rhetoric and demonstrations.

885
01:00:19,733 --> 01:00:23,453
Speaker 3: I think there would definitely be demonstrations, big ones. You know,

886
01:00:23,493 --> 01:00:26,093
Speaker 3: it wouldn't really be civil war because it would be

887
01:00:26,133 --> 01:00:31,373
Speaker 3: the establishment versus this people, right, So interestingly, you know,

888
01:00:31,413 --> 01:00:35,653
Speaker 3: they talk about predictive programming. There was there is a

889
01:00:35,733 --> 01:00:40,133
Speaker 3: movie called Civil War and in which it's really the

890
01:00:40,213 --> 01:00:44,893
Speaker 3: state against this dissidant community or these dissident people politically.

891
01:00:46,293 --> 01:00:51,173
Speaker 3: So I mean that's that's either predictive programming or habituation

892
01:00:51,413 --> 01:00:54,653
Speaker 3: to the possibility of what might happen. I don't know

893
01:00:54,693 --> 01:00:59,573
Speaker 3: that the United States would see a mass armed uprising.

894
01:00:59,653 --> 01:01:04,213
Speaker 3: I doubt it because people are still too comfortable, They

895
01:01:04,253 --> 01:01:07,013
Speaker 3: still have things to protect, they still have things to lose.

896
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Speaker 2: I think that is a brilliant way to put it.

897
01:01:10,853 --> 01:01:14,133
Speaker 2: I might borrow it if you don't mind, not at all.

898
01:01:14,293 --> 01:01:19,333
Speaker 2: I want to conclude though, with just saying that your

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Speaker 2: your substack site m recton World r C. T. E.

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Speaker 2: N w Ald Mrectonworld dot substack dot com is worthy

901
01:01:30,973 --> 01:01:36,213
Speaker 2: of attacking. So if you go to that site, make

902
01:01:36,253 --> 01:01:39,613
Speaker 2: sure you read the Grand Refusal by Michael. The Grand

903
01:01:39,653 --> 01:01:42,733
Speaker 2: Refusal Agenda twenty thirty and the Great Reset Plan to

904
01:01:42,733 --> 01:01:46,173
Speaker 2: bring it about is a multi tentacled, many headed hydra

905
01:01:46,573 --> 01:01:50,613
Speaker 2: of mythical proportions. It's a very good piece and it

906
01:01:50,653 --> 01:01:53,813
Speaker 2: contains something that stood out to me immediately, the nine

907
01:01:53,853 --> 01:01:55,973
Speaker 2: point plan for stopping the Great Reset.

908
01:01:57,973 --> 01:02:03,533
Speaker 3: Yes, that's kind of like a companion to the idea

909
01:02:03,613 --> 01:02:07,173
Speaker 3: of a kind of decentralized revolution. But it doesn't mean

910
01:02:07,773 --> 01:02:11,493
Speaker 3: you have to move necessarily. You have to create local networks,

911
01:02:11,493 --> 01:02:15,813
Speaker 3: but also networks of like minded people who exchange goods,

912
01:02:16,253 --> 01:02:20,933
Speaker 3: who use their own currency if necessary, and you know,

913
01:02:21,013 --> 01:02:24,093
Speaker 3: they agree upon the currency, whether it's bitcoin, gold leafs,

914
01:02:24,173 --> 01:02:27,613
Speaker 3: what have you. I'm not going to adjudicate that, but yeah,

915
01:02:27,653 --> 01:02:32,933
Speaker 3: that plan is effectively a plan for resistance, and it's

916
01:02:32,973 --> 01:02:36,653
Speaker 3: not necessarily like an overthrow because it's just it's just

917
01:02:36,733 --> 01:02:39,573
Speaker 3: as many people that get involved in it, that's who

918
01:02:39,613 --> 01:02:43,333
Speaker 3: it will serve. It won't necessarily serve everybody, because not

919
01:02:43,413 --> 01:02:46,293
Speaker 3: everybody's going to get involved in it, but for those

920
01:02:46,333 --> 01:02:52,293
Speaker 3: who want to elude this totalitarian, centralized system, that's what

921
01:02:52,333 --> 01:02:52,933
Speaker 3: the plan's for.

922
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Speaker 2: Very good. I just I've done to something else that

923
01:02:56,293 --> 01:03:00,893
Speaker 2: I meant to include, so I will quickly The Expect

924
01:03:00,933 --> 01:03:06,733
Speaker 2: Money Summit, yes, coming up on October seven through eleven.

925
01:03:08,373 --> 01:03:10,373
Speaker 2: I thought when I when I first read about it,

926
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Speaker 2: I thought that would be worth attending. The list of

927
01:03:15,253 --> 01:03:20,093
Speaker 2: guests is great, but more importantly, it is all being

928
01:03:20,133 --> 01:03:24,533
Speaker 2: done online. And am I correct in saying that it's free.

929
01:03:25,133 --> 01:03:28,773
Speaker 3: It's free online except for us a few special programs,

930
01:03:29,133 --> 01:03:34,173
Speaker 3: of which yours truly is one, and I am speaking there,

931
01:03:34,253 --> 01:03:38,813
Speaker 3: but to see my talk you have to pay. But

932
01:03:39,013 --> 01:03:41,533
Speaker 3: most of the talks are free, and largely the thing

933
01:03:41,653 --> 01:03:45,933
Speaker 3: is free, with a few exceptions of some events. But yes,

934
01:03:46,053 --> 01:03:52,693
Speaker 3: it's all online. It's Expat Money Summit, Expat Money one word,

935
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Speaker 3: summit another one word. It's altogether dot com And that's

936
01:03:57,613 --> 01:04:02,093
Speaker 3: an amazing event. And I am friends with the guy

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Speaker 3: that runs it, and they have very good ideas for

938
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Speaker 3: protecting your wealth and perhaps your life if it comes

939
01:04:10,293 --> 01:04:12,693
Speaker 3: down to that. So that's how That's how I'll leave

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Speaker 3: it there.

941
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Speaker 2: So it says to reserve your complimentary ticket head to

942
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Speaker 2: expect money summit. Do you do you need to register?

943
01:04:18,573 --> 01:04:21,133
Speaker 3: Maybe? Yes, you will have to register, and if you

944
01:04:21,213 --> 01:04:23,973
Speaker 3: register under my link you'll have to pay, but you

945
01:04:24,053 --> 01:04:27,733
Speaker 3: can find the free links on their site from there.

946
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Speaker 2: All right, well, I shall be in attendance. Michael.

947
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Speaker 3: It's wonderful.

948
01:04:32,213 --> 01:04:34,733
Speaker 2: It's been great. I thank you for your time. You've

949
01:04:34,773 --> 01:04:39,213
Speaker 2: donated quite a bit of it, and canoni in by

950
01:04:39,253 --> 01:04:42,453
Speaker 2: saying I look forward to the next one.

951
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Speaker 3: So do I. And it's great talking to you. I

952
01:04:45,053 --> 01:04:48,613
Speaker 3: always it's always a pleasure, and I appreciate your giving

953
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Speaker 3: me a forum to the events, but to also get

954
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Speaker 3: across the ideas that I think are vital for us.

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Speaker 2: Omega three and Omega six fatty acids in their naturally

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Speaker 2: a healthy diet and is only available from pharmacies and

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Speaker 2: if symptoms persist, seeing your healthcare professional. Farmer Broker Auckland

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Speaker 2: Layton Smith. This is producer. Welcome to the mail room

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Speaker 2: for podcasts two hundred and fifty.

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Speaker 4: Six high lighton how are you doing?

981
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Speaker 2: I'm doing just fine? Thank you good, better than expected.

982
01:06:50,733 --> 01:06:53,413
Speaker 2: I could even say, oh dear, So let me begin

983
01:06:53,573 --> 01:06:58,173
Speaker 2: if I may from Eva Layton. Just finished listening to

984
01:06:58,213 --> 01:07:02,133
Speaker 2: your podcast with Nicholas a'roni, and as always, it was

985
01:07:02,173 --> 01:07:05,733
Speaker 2: incredibly engaging. Didn't ease my concern that we seem to

986
01:07:05,773 --> 01:07:10,853
Speaker 2: be loosening laws while multaneously moving away from religious values

987
01:07:10,853 --> 01:07:14,733
Speaker 2: and nurturing care for children. We're raising the next generation

988
01:07:14,853 --> 01:07:18,293
Speaker 2: in daycares and behind screens, with parents so consumed by

989
01:07:18,333 --> 01:07:23,693
Speaker 2: modern life that they aren't instilling strong character, as Nicholas discussed,

990
01:07:24,493 --> 01:07:28,733
Speaker 2: a worrying combination at the end, from either look I would,

991
01:07:29,093 --> 01:07:30,933
Speaker 2: this is what I say, this is how I look

992
01:07:30,973 --> 01:07:34,133
Speaker 2: at it sometimes anyway, Yeah, there's a lot of kids

993
01:07:34,173 --> 01:07:37,453
Speaker 2: who aren't being raised well at all. There are, on

994
01:07:37,493 --> 01:07:41,413
Speaker 2: the other hand, there are, on the other hand, kids

995
01:07:41,413 --> 01:07:44,413
Speaker 2: that are being raised in households where they are brought

996
01:07:44,493 --> 01:07:48,533
Speaker 2: up magnificently, with both parents working, holding down jobs and

997
01:07:49,213 --> 01:07:50,493
Speaker 2: just doing what they need to do.

998
01:07:51,933 --> 01:07:55,293
Speaker 4: Laydon Scott says, it's been some years since I have

999
01:07:55,333 --> 01:07:58,133
Speaker 4: written to you, laden your podcasts have been as staple

1000
01:07:58,173 --> 01:08:00,253
Speaker 4: for me since your days on news Talks. It'd be

1001
01:08:00,453 --> 01:08:04,293
Speaker 4: ended your interview with Robert McCulloch was the catalyst for

1002
01:08:04,373 --> 01:08:07,973
Speaker 4: me hitting the keyboard. Roberts suggested that the cream of

1003
01:08:07,973 --> 01:08:11,453
Speaker 4: our young talent was heading overseas at ever younger ages,

1004
01:08:11,933 --> 01:08:15,813
Speaker 4: and you seemed unconvinced by this. I immediately recalled the

1005
01:08:15,853 --> 01:08:18,973
Speaker 4: name Jamie Beaton, and I'm sure that this demographic was

1006
01:08:19,013 --> 01:08:22,893
Speaker 4: the target market for his company, Crimson Consulting, though I

1007
01:08:22,893 --> 01:08:26,093
Speaker 4: haven't heard much about them in recent times. And then

1008
01:08:26,213 --> 01:08:28,893
Speaker 4: Scott goes on to say, my own experience with our

1009
01:08:28,973 --> 01:08:31,693
Speaker 4: thirty three year old son, however, couldn't be more of

1010
01:08:31,733 --> 01:08:36,093
Speaker 4: a contradiction to Roberts theory. A fairly bright individual, but

1011
01:08:36,213 --> 01:08:40,093
Speaker 4: not exceptional. He graduated Auckland University with a b coom

1012
01:08:40,293 --> 01:08:45,653
Speaker 4: did his professional papers to attain his ca qualification recognized

1013
01:08:46,013 --> 01:08:50,733
Speaker 4: more widely, then set about developing a specialization field, which

1014
01:08:50,853 --> 01:08:56,533
Speaker 4: was financial analytics within accountancy, to make himself more employable.

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01:08:57,013 --> 01:08:59,893
Speaker 4: He has no desire to leave New Zealand, even though

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01:08:59,933 --> 01:09:03,253
Speaker 4: his parents at one point delicately suggested that they might

1017
01:09:03,333 --> 01:09:07,493
Speaker 4: head to Queensland and would he follow. He seems unconvinced

1018
01:09:07,533 --> 01:09:10,013
Speaker 4: that the grass is new, necessarily green or elsewhere, and

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01:09:10,053 --> 01:09:13,493
Speaker 4: although he has a large friend base overseas, is resolute

1020
01:09:13,493 --> 01:09:17,813
Speaker 4: that he will remain here in the medium term. Lucky you, Scott,

1021
01:09:18,293 --> 01:09:21,653
Speaker 4: rest of us have got children disappearing. And then Scott

1022
01:09:21,693 --> 01:09:23,693
Speaker 4: goes on to say, I think he also has a

1023
01:09:23,733 --> 01:09:27,213
Speaker 4: perception that the job market is perhaps easier here, as

1024
01:09:27,253 --> 01:09:29,853
Speaker 4: with the exodus from New Zealand. There are fewer people

1025
01:09:29,973 --> 01:09:34,253
Speaker 4: vying for the positions he wants. His corporate progression has

1026
01:09:34,293 --> 01:09:37,493
Speaker 4: been steady, and the companies he has found himself working

1027
01:09:37,533 --> 01:09:41,613
Speaker 4: for are usually domiciled off shore. Anyway, renumeration is on

1028
01:09:41,653 --> 01:09:43,853
Speaker 4: a par with what he would be making in Australia.

1029
01:09:44,213 --> 01:09:46,693
Speaker 4: He may be lucky in this regard, or his field

1030
01:09:46,813 --> 01:09:50,173
Speaker 4: might just be an outlier, but that negates that reason

1031
01:09:50,253 --> 01:09:53,293
Speaker 4: for leaving New Zealand. And then Scott goes on to

1032
01:09:53,373 --> 01:09:55,973
Speaker 4: talk to you about a trip that he and his

1033
01:09:56,133 --> 01:10:00,293
Speaker 4: son did in the States, and I'm sure you've read

1034
01:10:00,293 --> 01:10:02,573
Speaker 4: that late. Then he goes on to say, I express

1035
01:10:02,653 --> 01:10:05,493
Speaker 4: the same sentiment as many in hoping that you keep

1036
01:10:05,573 --> 01:10:08,813
Speaker 4: up with the podcasts for some time. Yet the broad

1037
01:10:08,893 --> 01:10:11,813
Speaker 4: array of subjects keeps me looking up for the next one,

1038
01:10:11,933 --> 01:10:13,813
Speaker 4: although you will no doubt be a where by this

1039
01:10:13,933 --> 01:10:17,413
Speaker 4: letter that I am currently running one month behind. That's

1040
01:10:17,413 --> 01:10:18,653
Speaker 4: from Scott Scott.

1041
01:10:19,373 --> 01:10:22,413
Speaker 2: Now, thank you for that. Yes, I did read the

1042
01:10:22,853 --> 01:10:25,373
Speaker 2: trip story and I don't disagree with you. They need

1043
01:10:25,493 --> 01:10:27,453
Speaker 2: just make a reference to one thing. He says here

1044
01:10:28,293 --> 01:10:33,413
Speaker 2: talks about him and he and his son san Antonio, Houston, Dallas.

1045
01:10:33,973 --> 01:10:38,173
Speaker 2: They were unsurprising Austin had a bit going on, and

1046
01:10:38,293 --> 01:10:41,693
Speaker 2: my boys just just come back from being in Austin

1047
01:10:42,053 --> 01:10:46,253
Speaker 2: and raving about it. And san Antonio was quite pretty

1048
01:10:46,293 --> 01:10:49,733
Speaker 2: culminating in lunch alongside the Mid Canal, the Mid City

1049
01:10:49,733 --> 01:10:52,653
Speaker 2: Canal at one of the vast array of eteries have

1050
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Speaker 2: eaten me. One of those vast array of eateries. Wouldn't

1051
01:10:55,693 --> 01:10:58,493
Speaker 2: be a coincidence if it was the same one. Then

1052
01:10:58,493 --> 01:11:00,613
Speaker 2: you get to New Orleans for a few days, and

1053
01:11:00,653 --> 01:11:03,973
Speaker 2: I'm envious with an overnight stop in a one horse

1054
01:11:04,013 --> 01:11:07,773
Speaker 2: town on the way wandered. Bourbon Street and the French Quarter, etc.

1055
01:11:08,453 --> 01:11:11,973
Speaker 2: All had a foreboding air of commercialism about it, as

1056
01:11:12,013 --> 01:11:16,573
Speaker 2: every last vestige of originality seemed to be squeezed out.

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01:11:16,893 --> 01:11:20,573
Speaker 2: I have advised a couple of people recently on New

1058
01:11:20,653 --> 01:11:26,013
Speaker 2: Orleans and Bourbon Street is a place to be clear of,

1059
01:11:26,093 --> 01:11:30,453
Speaker 2: I think come nighttime. So it seems I haven't been there.

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01:11:30,493 --> 01:11:33,013
Speaker 2: We haven't been there since twenty thirteen. Ton's it's eleven

1061
01:11:33,093 --> 01:11:38,173
Speaker 2: years so it's a long long time, and my claim

1062
01:11:38,293 --> 01:11:41,173
Speaker 2: to have gone there for thirteen or fourteen I can't

1063
01:11:41,213 --> 01:11:44,413
Speaker 2: remember now different trips is starting to wear a bit thin.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's time to update now From Joe, I have

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Speaker 2: an interest in megalithic structures at ancient civilizations around the world,

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01:11:53,773 --> 01:11:58,413
Speaker 2: i e. Stonehenge, pyramids, et cetera. Researching this has led

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01:11:58,453 --> 01:12:01,453
Speaker 2: me to look at our own country and I'm astonished

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Speaker 2: at what I found. Some examples of this would be Low.

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01:12:04,053 --> 01:12:09,453
Speaker 2: He goes through a number of different places like Silverdale, Bombay, Boulders,

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01:12:09,893 --> 01:12:14,533
Speaker 2: chin Hill, part of the above Isthmus alignments, places I've

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01:12:14,533 --> 01:12:17,853
Speaker 2: never heard of even little and know where they are.

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01:12:18,053 --> 01:12:22,853
Speaker 2: There's quite a few of them, involving megalithic structures, carvings,

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01:12:23,733 --> 01:12:27,053
Speaker 2: and a few other things. It appears that over the years,

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01:12:27,333 --> 01:12:30,933
Speaker 2: acknowledgment of these structures and people has been suppressed and

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01:12:31,013 --> 01:12:34,093
Speaker 2: kept from the New Zealand public. In some cases, a

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Speaker 2: seventy five year embargo has been put in place. Other cases,

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01:12:40,213 --> 01:12:45,733
Speaker 2: caves and skeletons remains have been destroyed. Geologists and archaeologists

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01:12:45,773 --> 01:12:48,293
Speaker 2: around the world are finding more and more evidence of

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01:12:48,333 --> 01:12:52,373
Speaker 2: ancient civilizations due to satellite imaging and they're now finding

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01:12:52,413 --> 01:12:55,853
Speaker 2: pyramids around the globe in places never before known. The

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01:12:55,933 --> 01:13:01,213
Speaker 2: belief is that these may be all interlinked in some way. However,

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Speaker 2: due to New Zealand's shutting this down, they are unable

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01:13:04,613 --> 01:13:07,453
Speaker 2: to study this part of the world where other countries

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01:13:07,493 --> 01:13:12,213
Speaker 2: embrace it. New Zealand suppresses Marie legend, even speak of

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01:13:12,333 --> 01:13:15,533
Speaker 2: feskinned people with red hair being here when they arrived.

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01:13:15,933 --> 01:13:18,493
Speaker 2: They also know of the structures around the country. It's

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Speaker 2: also believed that a lot of married items were in

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01:13:20,693 --> 01:13:24,693
Speaker 2: fact copied from these pre Marie people. My question is

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Speaker 2: why and what can be done to bring this incredible

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01:13:28,533 --> 01:13:30,973
Speaker 2: story in history back to the public of New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Has the government tried to keep this from the New

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Speaker 2: Zealand public and rewrite history. I can see a great

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01:13:37,453 --> 01:13:40,893
Speaker 2: opportunity here for New Zealand. Imagine the extra tourist dollars

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Speaker 2: that could come into the country. Any assistance would be appreciated. Well,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what I can do to assist, but

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01:13:50,333 --> 01:13:53,413
Speaker 2: there's all sorts of restrictions that have been placed on

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01:13:53,933 --> 01:13:58,853
Speaker 2: various parts of this country, some inspired by local Marie,

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01:13:58,973 --> 01:14:03,213
Speaker 2: others not. I don't know that what's there is going

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01:14:03,293 --> 01:14:07,213
Speaker 2: to albeit true, is going to be much of an

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01:14:07,213 --> 01:14:10,573
Speaker 2: attraction to the the vast majority of people who come here.

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Speaker 2: But then I might be wrong.

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Speaker 4: Lady Taran says, I've been listening to you on and

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Speaker 4: off for almost thirty years in Brackets. I'm only forty three.

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01:14:21,853 --> 01:14:23,973
Speaker 4: My dad was always tuned to you on the radio,

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01:14:24,013 --> 01:14:26,413
Speaker 4: and I vividly remember listening to you as we painted

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01:14:26,413 --> 01:14:29,533
Speaker 4: our family beach house one summer in my early teens.

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Speaker 4: Another excellent episode again this week, but I think it's

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01:14:33,373 --> 01:14:36,133
Speaker 4: time to get Jeffrey Tucker back on. We haven't heard

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Speaker 4: from him since episode one three eight that was in

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01:14:39,173 --> 01:14:42,973
Speaker 4: November twenty one, and Taran goes on to say, here

1111
01:14:43,053 --> 01:14:46,093
Speaker 4: is a tweet of his from four days ago. You

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01:14:46,133 --> 01:14:49,413
Speaker 4: could have an entire interview with him just discussing this.

1113
01:14:49,733 --> 01:14:54,253
Speaker 4: So this apparently is Jeffrey Tucker's tweet. No event has

1114
01:14:54,373 --> 01:14:57,253
Speaker 4: traumatized me so much as watching nearly the whole of

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01:14:57,293 --> 01:15:02,813
Speaker 4: the professional media and academic class be entirely fine with

1116
01:15:02,933 --> 01:15:08,693
Speaker 4: the sudden imposition of totalitarian controls on association, movement, and speech,

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01:15:09,053 --> 01:15:12,813
Speaker 4: provided they could luxuriate at home believing there to be

1118
01:15:12,853 --> 01:15:16,733
Speaker 4: a killer virus and hang out on video chats as

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01:15:16,733 --> 01:15:21,053
Speaker 4: the workers and peasants kept society running and delivered groceries

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01:15:21,053 --> 01:15:24,173
Speaker 4: to their front doors. That same group was thrilled to

1121
01:15:24,213 --> 01:15:28,133
Speaker 4: receive trillions in payments for having done this. Again, nearly

1122
01:15:28,173 --> 01:15:30,693
Speaker 4: the whole of the top third of society was just

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01:15:30,813 --> 01:15:34,213
Speaker 4: fine with this and certainly raised no objection. Many within

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01:15:34,253 --> 01:15:38,773
Speaker 4: this group manufactured excuses for their deeply disgusting disdain for others.

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Speaker 4: I doubt I can never recover the respect I once

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01:15:42,013 --> 01:15:46,893
Speaker 4: had for the wealthy, the educated, the credentialed, and the successful.

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01:15:47,213 --> 01:15:50,573
Speaker 4: In the COVID period, they deployed their privileges as a

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Speaker 4: weapon against modern ideals and against all the people they

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01:15:55,213 --> 01:16:00,053
Speaker 4: secretly regarded as they lessers. This really happened, and it

1130
01:16:00,173 --> 01:16:04,373
Speaker 4: revealed everything. In the end, they were rewarded for their

1131
01:16:04,373 --> 01:16:09,253
Speaker 4: disgraceful attitudes and behaviors. This reality, again, more than anything

1132
01:16:09,293 --> 01:16:13,493
Speaker 4: I've ever personally witnessed, has shaped my views on nearly

1133
01:16:13,653 --> 01:16:18,333
Speaker 4: everything and fundamentally disrupted much of what I once believed.

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Speaker 4: So that's Taran, You're writer. Later on delivering the quote from.

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Speaker 2: Rom Jeffy Tucker, taren, I did Jeffrey Tucker twice, and

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01:16:28,533 --> 01:16:32,293
Speaker 2: the last time when he was launching the Brownstone Institute,

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01:16:32,293 --> 01:16:35,453
Speaker 2: although nobody knew knew about it at the time of

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01:16:35,453 --> 01:16:39,133
Speaker 2: that second interview. I knew something was going on because

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01:16:40,373 --> 01:16:43,053
Speaker 2: I had the second interview arranged for I believe from

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01:16:43,053 --> 01:16:47,013
Speaker 2: memory it was a Sunday night, and with fifteen minutes

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01:16:47,053 --> 01:16:50,413
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes before we were due to record, he communicated

1142
01:16:50,453 --> 01:16:52,773
Speaker 2: and said, could we postpone it to Monday night? And

1143
01:16:52,853 --> 01:16:56,933
Speaker 2: I found out why. One of the major sponsors of

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01:16:57,813 --> 01:17:02,733
Speaker 2: Brownstone Institute was coming for dinner and Jeffrey was cooking

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01:17:02,773 --> 01:17:04,973
Speaker 2: for him. And so I've sort of left him alone

1146
01:17:04,973 --> 01:17:08,853
Speaker 2: because he's had his hands full so much. I don't

1147
01:17:08,893 --> 01:17:13,813
Speaker 2: know whether he does some, you know, interviews on podcasts anymore.

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01:17:13,973 --> 01:17:16,533
Speaker 2: He writes a column for The Epic Times a couple

1149
01:17:16,533 --> 01:17:20,013
Speaker 2: of times a week. I think he writes for Brownstone

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01:17:20,013 --> 01:17:24,333
Speaker 2: Institute frequently, as he would probably be aware. I just

1151
01:17:24,413 --> 01:17:28,573
Speaker 2: reckon he's got his handsful, but I think he's one

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01:17:28,613 --> 01:17:31,853
Speaker 2: of the greatest. With that in mind, thank you for

1153
01:17:31,853 --> 01:17:37,173
Speaker 2: another great podcast, writes Cam this alliance, missus producer. With

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01:17:37,413 --> 01:17:42,613
Speaker 2: what you just read in a way intelligent and influential people.

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01:17:43,533 --> 01:17:47,493
Speaker 2: He's referring to another great podcast. You see intelligent and

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01:17:47,493 --> 01:17:52,293
Speaker 2: influential people. A couple would be better easy. Jordan Peterson,

1157
01:17:52,373 --> 01:17:57,293
Speaker 2: Douglas Murray, Elon Musk not so easy. Let me tell

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01:17:57,373 --> 01:18:01,693
Speaker 2: you I have considered. Look, people want me to ask

1159
01:18:01,773 --> 01:18:07,013
Speaker 2: me to do things, and I give it consideration. I

1160
01:18:07,133 --> 01:18:10,893
Speaker 2: set this up to do one on one long form

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01:18:10,933 --> 01:18:17,013
Speaker 2: interviews and discover things, particularly people, and I'm enjoying it. Still.

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01:18:18,133 --> 01:18:22,493
Speaker 2: Can you imagine trying to line Jordan Peterson, ed Elon Musk,

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01:18:22,653 --> 01:18:25,813
Speaker 2: or even Douglas Murray, because he's difficult enough aligning two

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01:18:25,813 --> 01:18:29,013
Speaker 2: of them up at any one time from different parts

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01:18:29,053 --> 01:18:32,293
Speaker 2: of the world. That doesn't work for me. But I

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01:18:32,293 --> 01:18:34,653
Speaker 2: appreciate your comments. Thank you, Layton.

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Speaker 4: Paul says, through the talkback show and now the podcast,

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01:18:38,813 --> 01:18:42,253
Speaker 4: your broadcasting style has shaped how I interact with the

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01:18:42,373 --> 01:18:46,173
Speaker 4: vast ocean of information now available regarding world affairs.

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Speaker 2: A bit worrying it is.

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Speaker 4: The list of go to sources you've pointed out is extensive.

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Speaker 4: Two of the very best are George Friedman and Jeffrey Tucker.

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01:18:55,893 --> 01:18:58,893
Speaker 4: My respect for George Friedman is immense. Now the gem

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01:18:58,973 --> 01:19:02,493
Speaker 4: of Jeffrey Tucker has provided another source of reading material

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01:19:02,853 --> 01:19:06,613
Speaker 4: that breeds understanding. I believe that a podcast with these

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01:19:06,653 --> 01:19:08,893
Speaker 4: two great thinkers would be spect tula.

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Speaker 2: What's this an assault?

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Speaker 4: Everybody's a producer this week? But thank you though, I

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01:19:16,893 --> 01:19:20,293
Speaker 4: have endeavored to attach a copy of Jeffrey's latest piece

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01:19:20,373 --> 01:19:25,573
Speaker 4: on the Brownstones website titled What Broke Libertarianism? It is

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01:19:25,613 --> 01:19:28,653
Speaker 4: a twenty seven minute read but well worthy effort, and

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01:19:29,693 --> 01:19:32,413
Speaker 4: Paul has sent you the brownstone dot org.

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01:19:33,213 --> 01:19:41,093
Speaker 2: Link he has. Okay, thank you. Mark has written answer

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01:19:41,173 --> 01:19:45,373
Speaker 2: to is Trump the closest thing America has had to Hitler?

1185
01:19:45,533 --> 01:19:49,533
Speaker 2: By John Smith Laton. Do you really believe that Trump

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01:19:49,613 --> 01:19:52,613
Speaker 2: is fit to be president when all the people who

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01:19:52,653 --> 01:19:58,053
Speaker 2: worked with him so strongly disagree? Signed Mark. So, Mike,

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01:19:58,093 --> 01:19:59,933
Speaker 2: I tell you what I'm going to do. I'm going

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01:19:59,973 --> 01:20:03,333
Speaker 2: to in the next segment, which will be an additional one,

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01:20:03,413 --> 01:20:05,933
Speaker 2: and just for you at anybody else who wants to listen,

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01:20:06,253 --> 01:20:09,173
Speaker 2: but especially for you, I'll cover a couple of points

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01:20:09,213 --> 01:20:12,653
Speaker 2: that will take a few minutes, and just see if

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01:20:12,693 --> 01:20:16,453
Speaker 2: that makes any difference, missus producer. That means you can go.

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Speaker 5: Thanks.

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01:20:17,573 --> 01:20:18,853
Speaker 2: I don't want to hold you up because you're a

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01:20:18,893 --> 01:20:21,693
Speaker 2: very busy woman. So thank you. We shall see you

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01:20:22,293 --> 01:20:24,413
Speaker 2: see you next week. I was going to say, for dinner.

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Speaker 5: See you next week.

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Speaker 2: Now to Mark's comments, let me make a couple of points.

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01:20:41,533 --> 01:20:45,573
Speaker 2: The term all the people who worked with him being

1201
01:20:45,613 --> 01:20:49,733
Speaker 2: Trump is of course not true, and by any stretch

1202
01:20:49,733 --> 01:20:52,373
Speaker 2: of the imagination, it's not true. There are plenty who

1203
01:20:52,533 --> 01:20:55,133
Speaker 2: don't want him in the Oval offers because they know

1204
01:20:55,253 --> 01:20:58,253
Speaker 2: that he is likely and for that you can read,

1205
01:20:58,373 --> 01:21:02,493
Speaker 2: probably will release details of events that they once kept secret.

1206
01:21:03,133 --> 01:21:06,613
Speaker 2: Think of JFK's assassination, just for starters, and then think

1207
01:21:06,653 --> 01:21:09,653
Speaker 2: of the deep state the administrative date. There are lots

1208
01:21:09,693 --> 01:21:13,413
Speaker 2: and lots of secrets and plenty of corruption in Washington,

1209
01:21:14,213 --> 01:21:17,133
Speaker 2: and there are plenty of people who want to keep

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01:21:17,173 --> 01:21:21,693
Speaker 2: it under wraps. Secondly, the lessons learned in the first

1211
01:21:21,693 --> 01:21:27,333
Speaker 2: Trump administration would facilitate greater achievement in the second is

1212
01:21:27,373 --> 01:21:30,813
Speaker 2: a simple way to put it. Then there's something else

1213
01:21:31,853 --> 01:21:39,373
Speaker 2: that eventuated very recently. Ben Carson, doctor Ben Carson, neurosurgeon, retired,

1214
01:21:39,373 --> 01:21:44,373
Speaker 2: of course, a man who entered politics and what was

1215
01:21:44,413 --> 01:21:47,493
Speaker 2: He was Secretary of Housing at Urban Development in the

1216
01:21:47,533 --> 01:21:51,413
Speaker 2: first Trump administration. I had quite a bit to do

1217
01:21:51,533 --> 01:21:53,973
Speaker 2: with Carson on the two visits that he made to

1218
01:21:54,013 --> 01:21:57,413
Speaker 2: New Zealand back in the mid teens. He is a

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01:21:57,453 --> 01:22:03,253
Speaker 2: deeply religious man. He is a very honest man, and

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01:22:03,293 --> 01:22:05,493
Speaker 2: he has the very best intentions for his country and

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01:22:05,533 --> 01:22:08,013
Speaker 2: the people in it. He interviewed in the studio with

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01:22:08,053 --> 01:22:11,533
Speaker 2: me on two occasions, and we did an interview on

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01:22:11,733 --> 01:22:14,733
Speaker 2: stage before a large crowd, which actually was a lot

1224
01:22:14,773 --> 01:22:17,733
Speaker 2: of fun. So why do I bring him up. The

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01:22:17,773 --> 01:22:21,973
Speaker 2: answer is because there was an announcement made at the

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01:22:22,053 --> 01:22:27,973
Speaker 2: Republican Convention and Donald Trump made the following comment. Kamala

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01:22:28,013 --> 01:22:30,773
Speaker 2: Harris and the radical Left have waged war in America's

1228
01:22:30,773 --> 01:22:33,493
Speaker 2: faith community since the day they took office. His election

1229
01:22:33,573 --> 01:22:38,453
Speaker 2: of Governor Tim Walls as her vice president nominee solidifies

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01:22:38,573 --> 01:22:42,093
Speaker 2: their commitment to intensifying those efforts. Ben Carson is a

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01:22:42,133 --> 01:22:44,893
Speaker 2: man of unwavering faith, the perfect person to work with

1232
01:22:45,053 --> 01:22:47,933
Speaker 2: leaders of the faith community on behalf of the campaign

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01:22:48,453 --> 01:22:51,653
Speaker 2: to promote the protection of religious freedom and prosperity in

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01:22:51,693 --> 01:22:56,253
Speaker 2: our country. That's part of it. In his acceptance of

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Speaker 2: this role, Ben Carson, amongst other comments, said, I'm honored

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Speaker 2: to serve as his national Faith Chairman and will work

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01:23:04,533 --> 01:23:07,453
Speaker 2: diligently with the faith community to get him elected. There's

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Speaker 2: only one candidate in this race that has defended religious

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01:23:11,413 --> 01:23:14,973
Speaker 2: liberty and supported Americans of faith. And that man is

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01:23:15,013 --> 01:23:18,253
Speaker 2: Donald J. Trump. So being a man of character, of

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01:23:18,373 --> 01:23:20,773
Speaker 2: having character, I have a great deal of faith in

1242
01:23:21,253 --> 01:23:24,853
Speaker 2: Ben Carter's opinion. Now I got to drag this out

1243
01:23:24,893 --> 01:23:27,013
Speaker 2: a little longer because I want to quote you an

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01:23:27,053 --> 01:23:33,293
Speaker 2: article written by Elise Stephanick. Elise Staphanick represents New York's

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01:23:33,293 --> 01:23:37,253
Speaker 2: twenty first congressional district chair, is the House Republican Conference

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01:23:37,333 --> 01:23:41,133
Speaker 2: Chair and the chair of Women for Trump. But this

1247
01:23:41,213 --> 01:23:45,093
Speaker 2: is don't worry about that. Just listen to the detail.

1248
01:23:45,453 --> 01:23:50,253
Speaker 2: Numbers don't lie. Women thrived under Trump, suffered under Harris.

1249
01:23:51,293 --> 01:23:55,173
Speaker 2: Of the countless lies about Karmala Harris perpetuated by Democrats

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01:23:55,173 --> 01:23:58,693
Speaker 2: and their loyal stenographers in the mainstream media, one of

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01:23:58,773 --> 01:24:03,453
Speaker 2: the most egregious is that Karmala Harris's presidency will deliver

1252
01:24:03,693 --> 01:24:08,933
Speaker 2: historic economic opportunity for working women. Unfortunately, for the desperate

1253
01:24:09,053 --> 01:24:14,533
Speaker 2: Democrats attempting to erase publicly available data, numbers tell the

1254
01:24:14,773 --> 01:24:19,533
Speaker 2: exact opposite story. Carmala Harris and Joe Biden saddled women

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01:24:19,613 --> 01:24:23,613
Speaker 2: with the largest pay cut, inflation crisis, tax hike, and

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01:24:23,773 --> 01:24:28,893
Speaker 2: economic crash so far this century. Whereas President Trump delivered

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01:24:28,893 --> 01:24:32,453
Speaker 2: the greatest economic boost for American women of any modern

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01:24:32,533 --> 01:24:37,253
Speaker 2: day president. The median income for women increased every year

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01:24:37,373 --> 01:24:40,293
Speaker 2: during the Trump administration, reaching the highest on record in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty. Real average weekly earnings increased eight point two

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Speaker 2: percent under Trump, yet decreased three point nine percent under

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01:24:49,133 --> 01:24:53,973
Speaker 2: Joe Biden and Carmla Harris. The unemployment rate for women overall,

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01:24:54,373 --> 01:24:57,893
Speaker 2: and for Black women in particular, reached a record low

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01:24:58,133 --> 01:25:02,493
Speaker 2: during President Trump's term. In twenty nineteen, the workforce participation

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01:25:02,613 --> 01:25:07,373
Speaker 2: gap between men and women shrank to the narrowest in history,

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01:25:08,533 --> 01:25:11,173
Speaker 2: and Trump's economy made history with the most women in

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01:25:11,213 --> 01:25:16,093
Speaker 2: the workforce ever. This was not by accident. Understanding that

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01:25:16,213 --> 01:25:20,053
Speaker 2: working women are also balancing families, President Trump delivered a

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01:25:20,093 --> 01:25:24,813
Speaker 2: pro family economic agenda that included doubling the child tax

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01:25:24,893 --> 01:25:28,253
Speaker 2: credit from one thousand to two thousand per child and

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Speaker 2: expanding eligibility. Nearly forty million families received an average benefit

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Speaker 2: of twenty two hundred under his leadership, totaling credits of

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01:25:38,333 --> 01:25:42,653
Speaker 2: approximately eighty eight billion dollars. He then created the first

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Speaker 2: ever paid family leave tax credit for employees earning seventy

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Speaker 2: two thousand or less and signed into law twelve weeks

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Speaker 2: of paid parental leave for federal workers. He also signed

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Speaker 2: the largest ever increase in Childcare and Development Block grants,

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Speaker 2: expanding access to quality, affordable childcare and more than eight

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Speaker 2: hundred thousand low income families. President Trump signed into law

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Speaker 2: a provision that enabled new parents to withdraw up to

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Speaker 2: five thousand dollars from their retirement accounts without penalty when

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Speaker 2: they gave birth to or adopted a child. The oft

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Speaker 2: to ask question about balancing work and family life is

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Speaker 2: can women have it all? Under President Trump's leadership? The

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Speaker 2: answer was a resounding yes. Under Joe Biden and Carmala

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Speaker 2: Harris not so much. Biden and Harris's failed economic policies

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Speaker 2: hurt every American, but hit women hardest of all. Women

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Speaker 2: are bearing the brunt of Harris's tie breaking vote for

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Speaker 2: Biden's comically named Inflation Reduction Act, which turbocharged inflation with

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Speaker 2: a glut of ridiculous climate spending. Women are working longer

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Speaker 2: hours and delaying retirement as a result. Talk to any

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Speaker 2: woman in America and there is no question that inflation

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Speaker 2: is a woman's issue. Since Carmala Harris was sworn in

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Speaker 2: as Vice President, prices have risen by ninetyzero point four percent,

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Speaker 2: making it increasingly difficult for women to provide for their families.

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Speaker 2: Women are the majority of grocery shoppers and grocery bills

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Speaker 2: of skyrocket at forcing many Americans to cut back on essentials.

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Speaker 2: A single mother of two and Nevada had to sell

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Speaker 2: a car to afford groceries. Under Biden, a mother of

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Speaker 2: two in Michigan had to think about putting gasoline prices

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Speaker 2: before buying my kid's clothes because of the Kamala Harris

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Speaker 2: tie breaking vote for Biden's radical green energy agenda, Families

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Speaker 2: now need an extra twelve thousand, five hundred and ninety

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Speaker 2: dollars annually just to maintain the same standard of living

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Speaker 2: that they enjoyed three years ago, according to Congress's Joint

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Speaker 2: Economic Committee, and sixty seven percent of parents say inflation

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Speaker 2: has impacted their ability to pay for their children's education,

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Speaker 2: school supplies, and extra curricular activities this past school year.

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Speaker 2: The cost of childcare has increased thirty two percent for

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Speaker 2: the average family since twenty nineteen, and nearly two thirds

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Speaker 2: are spending twenty percent or more of their annual income

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Speaker 2: on childcare. The average price for a pack of disposable

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Speaker 2: diapers has increased thirty two percent since twenty nineteen, and

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Speaker 2: forty seven percent of families reports struggling to afford them.

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two, Joe Biden and Carmala Harris's incompetence

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Speaker 2: created a baby formula shortage, causing the price to soar

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Speaker 2: to an all time high. Some forty four million people

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Speaker 2: were living in food insecure households in twenty two, a

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Speaker 2: thirty one percent annual increase and the largest one year

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Speaker 2: increase since two thousand eight. Women, she concludes, make up

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Speaker 2: the majority of voters in America, so it's no wonder

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Speaker 2: the Harris propaganda machine is in overdrive, attempting to gaslight

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Speaker 2: them into thinking they've never had it better. But as

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Speaker 2: much as Democrats may lie numbers, never do they show

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Speaker 2: that President Trump not only cares deeply about women and

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Speaker 2: all Americans, but also knows what it takes to stimulate

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Speaker 2: the economy to create historic opportunities on our behalf. Carmala

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Speaker 2: Harris meanwhile, sees women as a convenient voting block to pander,

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Speaker 2: to deceive, and then abandon in favor of an economic poisonous,

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Speaker 2: radically liberal agenda. To my fellow women voters. Don't be fooled.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I know that she's the chair for Women for Trump

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Speaker 2: and holds a position in Congress, but the political aspect

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Speaker 2: of that aside, and it's obvious these statistics are real.

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Speaker 2: And as she says at the top, statistics don't lie,

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Speaker 2: and I won't lie to you either. That takes us

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Speaker 2: out for podcast number two hundred and fifty six. Now,

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Speaker 2: if you'd like to comment on any of the above,

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Speaker 2: go for it. Latent at newstalksb dot co dot NZ

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Speaker 2: Well Carolyn at NEWSTALKSB dot com co dot m Z

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Speaker 2: love getting your mail. There's been some very good stuff lately.

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Speaker 2: See if you can match it for better. We shall

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Speaker 2: return shortly. So there is only one thing to say,

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Speaker 2: thank you again for listening, and we shall talk soon.

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