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Speaker 1: Open Star Technologies have taken a serious step in the

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Speaker 1: global race for nuclear fusion. So they've successfully levitated a

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Speaker 1: half ton superconducting magnet. That's a key milestone to recreating

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Speaker 1: what they're chasing. Ratu Matara, doctor Ratu Matara, is the

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Speaker 1: chief executive at open Star Technologies and it's with us,

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Speaker 1: Ratu morning, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Worrying, mate, Now what, Oh, that's a great question. So

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Speaker 2: I think a big piece of us is that we've

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Speaker 2: proven that the engineering can be done. So like getting

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Speaker 2: a magnet like this to levitate is something that people

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Speaker 2: broadly thought was impossible. But the machine that we've built

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Speaker 2: here doesn't push any aspect to the maximum. So we

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Speaker 2: could have built a more powerful magnet, we could have

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Speaker 2: had a better vacuum chamber, we could have had a

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Speaker 2: more powerful heating system, but all of that would have

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Speaker 2: cost money that we didn't have right at a start.

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Speaker 2: And so now that we've hit this milestone, it's starting

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Speaker 2: to take the next step, build our next machine and

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Speaker 2: push those different aspects of a design to their maximum.

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Speaker 2: Most the strongest magnet, we can have, the best heading system,

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Speaker 2: and really push for performance and just how hot we

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Speaker 2: can get these plasmas.

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Speaker 1: Is there an ownership in what you're doing in terms

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Speaker 1: of patents and once you crack it then it's yours

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Speaker 1: or is this just a global thing that will all

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Speaker 1: benefit from eventually.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a matter of timeframe. But if you

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Speaker 2: ask us at open Star, we called it open Star

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Speaker 2: for a reason. We actually try to be as open

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Speaker 2: and collaborative with other companies in the space who are

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Speaker 2: pursuing other approaches to fusion. But with respect to the IP,

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Speaker 2: we really try to protect the thing that makes open

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Speaker 2: Star special, which is this levitated dipole machine that we

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Speaker 2: are building, and so we file for patterns protection know

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Speaker 2: how about how to build these machines, and we would

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Speaker 2: be very surprised if others could figure it out in

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Speaker 2: practice without our expertise, without the access to those patents,

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Speaker 2: and so we protect our core IP while still building

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Speaker 2: partnerships at a global level.

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Speaker 1: It's super exciting. Get will you get to fusion in

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Speaker 1: your lifetime?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, absolutely no. I wouldn't be doing it if

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Speaker 2: I didn't think that was true.

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Speaker 1: And when we get there, then what's it solved and

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Speaker 1: how transformative is it?

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Speaker 2: I think a really big thing is we need an access.

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Speaker 2: We need access to a type of energy that doesn't

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Speaker 2: pollute the world, and that is abundant and in particular

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Speaker 2: disconnected from kind of the luck of a draw as

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Speaker 2: to wherever say, fuel was. So the fuels that we

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Speaker 2: use for fusion are abundant. We will never run out

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Speaker 2: of them, and you don't have to be a special country,

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Speaker 2: you know, to dig it out of the ground. And

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Speaker 2: I think that really changes the way that energy impacts

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Speaker 2: the world. So not only can we live in a cleaner,

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Speaker 2: greener world, not only can we have more abundant and

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Speaker 2: cheaper energy, but we can also stop being held to

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Speaker 2: ransom by say, less friendly countries that happen to have

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Speaker 2: a lot of it, and start having everybody act the

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Speaker 2: way they should test it.

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Speaker 1: Good on, You're right, you're nice to talk to you again,

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Speaker 1: doctor Rutter. And Matira. Who's the open Star CEO that's

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Speaker 1: lifted my spirits? No end, that's in the hut. By

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Speaker 1: the way, they're in the hut.

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Speaker 2: There's something going on in the hut, isn't there.

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Speaker 1: Well, according to the Herald, pizza shops are closing, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's some good stuff going on in the hut as well.

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Speaker 2: And we know that and Patoni as well. Jack jack

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Speaker 2: Jackson Street.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that Open Stars not in Jackson Street.

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Speaker 1: I didn't google mat them they could be in Jackson Street.

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