1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,427 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,787 Speaker 1: from Newstalk z B. 3 00:00:12,587 --> 00:00:15,147 Speaker 2: Let's get you back to Paris where All Black's assistant 4 00:00:15,147 --> 00:00:17,907 Speaker 2: coach Jason Holland is standing by the chat to us, Jason, 5 00:00:17,907 --> 00:00:20,027 Speaker 2: thanks for taking our call. Thirty five minutes or so 6 00:00:20,107 --> 00:00:23,347 Speaker 2: after the finals. So what's your initial assessment of the 7 00:00:23,387 --> 00:00:23,987 Speaker 2: eighty minutes? 8 00:00:25,347 --> 00:00:29,427 Speaker 3: I think, Hey, Piney, Yeah, obviously obviously pretty gutted around 9 00:00:29,707 --> 00:00:32,627 Speaker 3: not not quite getting the job done, but at the 10 00:00:32,667 --> 00:00:34,307 Speaker 3: same time, pretty proud of some of the effort that 11 00:00:34,307 --> 00:00:36,947 Speaker 3: the boys put in, and you know, a couple of 12 00:00:36,987 --> 00:00:40,187 Speaker 3: key moments and things are different, so that's really disappointing. 13 00:00:40,227 --> 00:00:43,227 Speaker 3: But you know, we played some good footy at times 14 00:00:43,227 --> 00:00:44,827 Speaker 3: and some of the if it was something to be 15 00:00:44,867 --> 00:00:45,267 Speaker 3: proud of. 16 00:00:45,307 --> 00:00:48,747 Speaker 2: I think, what were the key moments for you that 17 00:00:48,747 --> 00:00:50,267 Speaker 2: that had the biggest impact on the game. 18 00:00:52,347 --> 00:00:55,227 Speaker 3: There was just a couple of things where we didn't 19 00:00:55,267 --> 00:00:58,227 Speaker 3: quite finish off you know, multi phase we had three 20 00:00:58,267 --> 00:01:00,107 Speaker 3: or four for you know, three or four and five 21 00:01:00,107 --> 00:01:02,707 Speaker 3: and six phases and then we couldn't quite get over 22 00:01:02,747 --> 00:01:05,267 Speaker 3: the line and in seven points would have made a 23 00:01:05,267 --> 00:01:08,227 Speaker 3: lot of difference in that second half with you know, 24 00:01:08,307 --> 00:01:11,747 Speaker 3: spiller pass or not quite get delivery right or a 25 00:01:11,747 --> 00:01:13,947 Speaker 3: line out or those sort of little things at the 26 00:01:13,947 --> 00:01:17,587 Speaker 3: back end of the game. Was it was massive? So yeah, 27 00:01:17,587 --> 00:01:20,347 Speaker 3: obviously the French came out after half time and really accurate, 28 00:01:20,867 --> 00:01:22,667 Speaker 3: scored a couple of tries and put us under pressure 29 00:01:22,707 --> 00:01:24,787 Speaker 3: and now their big moments, and we couldn't quite do 30 00:01:24,867 --> 00:01:25,347 Speaker 3: it in the end. 31 00:01:26,147 --> 00:01:27,547 Speaker 2: Did you feel like you should have been ahead by 32 00:01:27,587 --> 00:01:28,307 Speaker 2: more at halftime? 33 00:01:30,067 --> 00:01:30,307 Speaker 1: Uh? 34 00:01:30,387 --> 00:01:35,507 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, probably. Yeah. We got those two tries in 35 00:01:35,547 --> 00:01:38,707 Speaker 3: the first half and pretty easiestcored one more maybe if 36 00:01:38,707 --> 00:01:41,027 Speaker 3: we'd had it on to the ball a little bit longer. 37 00:01:41,107 --> 00:01:43,227 Speaker 3: So they in finish to the French, they hang on, 38 00:01:43,867 --> 00:01:45,987 Speaker 3: they hang in and we ran them around and we 39 00:01:46,627 --> 00:01:48,947 Speaker 3: wanted to make sure they're type five had to work 40 00:01:49,027 --> 00:01:53,067 Speaker 3: really hard defensively and we did. I think we put 41 00:01:53,067 --> 00:01:55,667 Speaker 3: some really good phases that play together and made them 42 00:01:55,707 --> 00:01:57,667 Speaker 3: really go to the well around getting up and defending, 43 00:01:57,707 --> 00:02:01,707 Speaker 3: and they did it pretty well. But yeah, one or 44 00:02:01,707 --> 00:02:03,987 Speaker 3: two more little one more passed a couple of times 45 00:02:03,987 --> 00:02:05,907 Speaker 3: and hold onto the ball, one or two more phases. 46 00:02:06,587 --> 00:02:09,347 Speaker 3: But that's the game, and that it is. 47 00:02:09,467 --> 00:02:11,547 Speaker 2: You were behind last week and the week before that 48 00:02:11,627 --> 00:02:13,947 Speaker 2: won both of those games. So did you have comfort 49 00:02:13,947 --> 00:02:16,347 Speaker 2: that even when France went ahead with what about half 50 00:02:16,347 --> 00:02:17,707 Speaker 2: an hour ago, you were still going to be okay 51 00:02:17,707 --> 00:02:18,507 Speaker 2: to get back in the game. 52 00:02:19,627 --> 00:02:21,867 Speaker 3: Yeah, we've got it. We've got a good, a pretty 53 00:02:23,107 --> 00:02:25,947 Speaker 3: experienced and smart leadership group out there. So even when 54 00:02:25,947 --> 00:02:28,587 Speaker 3: we went there and we shipped two tries and in 55 00:02:28,587 --> 00:02:30,747 Speaker 3: the second half, we knew the boys just went back 56 00:02:30,747 --> 00:02:33,987 Speaker 3: to what we knew and chipped away and knew that 57 00:02:34,027 --> 00:02:37,387 Speaker 3: we just had to be nice and accurate. So yeah, 58 00:02:37,387 --> 00:02:39,187 Speaker 3: well we've made some real strides around that with the 59 00:02:39,267 --> 00:02:41,387 Speaker 3: leadership and our understanding of how to win games. I 60 00:02:41,387 --> 00:02:44,627 Speaker 3: think obviously we couldn't quite get it done this week 61 00:02:44,707 --> 00:02:46,027 Speaker 3: like we have in the last couple of weeks. 62 00:02:46,747 --> 00:02:48,707 Speaker 2: Hindsight, it's always a wonderful thing, I know, But can 63 00:02:48,747 --> 00:02:50,667 Speaker 2: you talk us through the decision to take the three 64 00:02:50,667 --> 00:02:53,227 Speaker 2: points in the seventy fifth minute when you were four 65 00:02:53,227 --> 00:02:53,907 Speaker 2: points behind? 66 00:02:55,427 --> 00:02:59,747 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I think, yeah, it's a fifty fifty one, 67 00:02:59,827 --> 00:03:01,667 Speaker 3: isn't it. It's one where you just got to you're 68 00:03:01,707 --> 00:03:04,387 Speaker 3: back the boys out there. I think the mindset was 69 00:03:04,427 --> 00:03:07,707 Speaker 3: we've been once we get positioned, building pressure and the 70 00:03:07,747 --> 00:03:10,747 Speaker 3: French are and fringing, So going within a penalty to 71 00:03:10,747 --> 00:03:13,547 Speaker 3: want it in the seventy ninth was the mindset around 72 00:03:13,987 --> 00:03:16,987 Speaker 3: around what we went to. It's probably one we have 73 00:03:16,987 --> 00:03:18,907 Speaker 3: a look at, but I think it's probably a fifty 74 00:03:18,907 --> 00:03:20,627 Speaker 3: to fifty and you back the boys on the field 75 00:03:20,707 --> 00:03:23,067 Speaker 3: to get a field for how they think they're going 76 00:03:23,067 --> 00:03:23,587 Speaker 3: to win the game. 77 00:03:24,027 --> 00:03:26,387 Speaker 2: So that decision comes from from from the on field 78 00:03:26,467 --> 00:03:28,387 Speaker 2: leadership team that doesn't get sent down from the box. 79 00:03:29,467 --> 00:03:31,187 Speaker 3: Well, there's a couple of things that go down, but 80 00:03:31,267 --> 00:03:34,627 Speaker 3: sometimes you don't give things down in time, and sometimes 81 00:03:34,667 --> 00:03:37,467 Speaker 3: you just back the boys and I know Raises massive 82 00:03:37,467 --> 00:03:41,867 Speaker 3: on trusting trusting the boys out there. So last week 83 00:03:41,907 --> 00:03:44,867 Speaker 3: we took those points and probably won the game for us. 84 00:03:44,907 --> 00:03:47,187 Speaker 3: So it's a bit of a field thing from week 85 00:03:47,187 --> 00:03:47,467 Speaker 3: to week. 86 00:03:47,507 --> 00:03:50,547 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are asking about the 87 00:03:50,587 --> 00:03:53,747 Speaker 2: decision to replace cam royguard so early in the second half. 88 00:03:53,787 --> 00:03:55,507 Speaker 2: Can you give us the analysis on that. 89 00:03:56,907 --> 00:04:00,387 Speaker 3: Oh, look, she was a quick game out there and 90 00:04:00,867 --> 00:04:05,187 Speaker 3: the nine are covering some massive meters and we know 91 00:04:05,227 --> 00:04:07,467 Speaker 3: what Cortes can give us can come on and speed 92 00:04:07,467 --> 00:04:09,707 Speaker 3: the game up, and I think of that little bit 93 00:04:09,987 --> 00:04:13,467 Speaker 3: Ken was good and fifty fifty or whatever it was, 94 00:04:13,507 --> 00:04:16,387 Speaker 3: fifty two or fifty three minutes and nine's you know, 95 00:04:16,667 --> 00:04:18,987 Speaker 3: a new nine as a real freshener for the team. 96 00:04:19,107 --> 00:04:22,187 Speaker 3: So you know that was that someone set there. 97 00:04:23,227 --> 00:04:26,347 Speaker 2: It just seemed that there was a lot more robustness 98 00:04:26,347 --> 00:04:27,827 Speaker 2: at the at the base of the right compared to 99 00:04:27,907 --> 00:04:30,627 Speaker 2: last week, and it felt like cam roy Guard was 100 00:04:30,667 --> 00:04:33,147 Speaker 2: really providing that. Was that a specific work on this 101 00:04:33,227 --> 00:04:35,907 Speaker 2: week that you know, to be a bit more robust 102 00:04:36,107 --> 00:04:37,987 Speaker 2: at the collision and the base of the rug. 103 00:04:39,347 --> 00:04:43,107 Speaker 3: I think that was across the across the board. We 104 00:04:43,187 --> 00:04:45,307 Speaker 3: knew that the French are going to be, you know, 105 00:04:45,467 --> 00:04:47,747 Speaker 3: the probably most physical team we play on this tour, 106 00:04:47,827 --> 00:04:51,347 Speaker 3: and the way we had to stop them around the breakdown, 107 00:04:51,347 --> 00:04:52,947 Speaker 3: we couldn't let them come through, and then when we 108 00:04:53,027 --> 00:04:54,587 Speaker 3: hit the ball, we had to be a threat. And 109 00:04:55,387 --> 00:04:57,107 Speaker 3: you know, we know that Cam's you know, all three 110 00:04:57,107 --> 00:04:59,787 Speaker 3: of our nines can be nice and nice and dynamic 111 00:04:59,827 --> 00:05:02,587 Speaker 3: and robust around there. So yeah, it was a big 112 00:05:02,587 --> 00:05:04,427 Speaker 3: part of the game, to be honest. The French took 113 00:05:04,507 --> 00:05:06,667 Speaker 3: us on around the breakway around the ruck and crowded 114 00:05:06,667 --> 00:05:07,547 Speaker 3: a couple of tries from it. 115 00:05:08,467 --> 00:05:10,627 Speaker 2: You monster their scrum, Do you feel like you should 116 00:05:10,627 --> 00:05:12,587 Speaker 2: have had more scrum penalties? 117 00:05:13,467 --> 00:05:17,147 Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, Look You're probably asking the wrong man here, 118 00:05:17,147 --> 00:05:20,267 Speaker 3: but the feeling I got was that the other Jason 119 00:05:20,347 --> 00:05:22,867 Speaker 3: was would have been looking for a couple of penalties. 120 00:05:22,867 --> 00:05:25,707 Speaker 3: But yeah, it was good, it was It was awesome, 121 00:05:25,867 --> 00:05:28,467 Speaker 3: awesome stint from from the top five there, especially in 122 00:05:28,467 --> 00:05:31,547 Speaker 3: the first half, and yeah, I think they were hanging 123 00:05:31,547 --> 00:05:34,027 Speaker 3: on by a thread, but fearless they got to down 124 00:05:34,067 --> 00:05:36,427 Speaker 3: a lot. But it would have been nice to play 125 00:05:36,507 --> 00:05:38,107 Speaker 3: for a couple of advantages that we think maybe we 126 00:05:38,107 --> 00:05:38,667 Speaker 3: should have had. 127 00:05:39,547 --> 00:05:42,267 Speaker 2: Peter Key came on very early, very very early. You 128 00:05:42,267 --> 00:05:44,427 Speaker 2: were his first Hurricanes coach. How have you assessed her 129 00:05:44,467 --> 00:05:45,547 Speaker 2: step up to test rugby? 130 00:05:46,747 --> 00:05:49,987 Speaker 3: Oh? Maye be interesting to watch the video, but he 131 00:05:50,027 --> 00:05:52,387 Speaker 3: looked like he smashed it out there. Some of his carry, 132 00:05:52,507 --> 00:05:54,547 Speaker 3: some of his working around the collisions against a massive 133 00:05:54,587 --> 00:05:58,307 Speaker 3: French pack was was impressive and sort of I think 134 00:05:58,307 --> 00:06:01,307 Speaker 3: a lot of people knew that Pete's going to be, 135 00:06:01,907 --> 00:06:04,587 Speaker 3: you know, a long time international replayer, and he probably 136 00:06:05,427 --> 00:06:08,987 Speaker 3: probably showed that all the potential there, that's that's already 137 00:06:09,027 --> 00:06:11,187 Speaker 3: there and that he's nailing stuff. So but he had 138 00:06:11,227 --> 00:06:13,227 Speaker 3: a really good game and that'll stand to him his 139 00:06:13,307 --> 00:06:16,387 Speaker 3: confidence and you know, he can be really happy with 140 00:06:16,427 --> 00:06:16,787 Speaker 3: what he did. 141 00:06:17,267 --> 00:06:19,027 Speaker 2: I feel like I'm running out of edgectis for Artie 142 00:06:19,067 --> 00:06:22,067 Speaker 2: Savia even though he didn't actually play open side, How 143 00:06:22,067 --> 00:06:24,787 Speaker 2: did he treat his week with a different number on 144 00:06:24,827 --> 00:06:29,147 Speaker 2: his back, a different role to play? 145 00:06:27,827 --> 00:06:31,027 Speaker 3: Oh, boys that you know, they just get about a 146 00:06:31,027 --> 00:06:34,027 Speaker 3: different role and just the way they go. He's been 147 00:06:34,027 --> 00:06:37,507 Speaker 3: playing a bit like a seven and between Ardi being 148 00:06:37,507 --> 00:06:39,827 Speaker 3: the real mentor you know, for the boys Simmer, Penny 149 00:06:39,907 --> 00:06:43,067 Speaker 3: for Wally, for Pete around him. He really thrives on 150 00:06:43,107 --> 00:06:46,107 Speaker 3: that and then making sure that you know, the four 151 00:06:46,147 --> 00:06:47,747 Speaker 3: of them plus the other boys don't get a run, 152 00:06:47,747 --> 00:06:49,707 Speaker 3: are really tight during the week and helping each other 153 00:06:49,787 --> 00:06:52,587 Speaker 3: understand exactly how they're going to play. So she's no 154 00:06:53,547 --> 00:06:55,227 Speaker 3: you know, water off a duck's back for ours about 155 00:06:55,227 --> 00:06:56,987 Speaker 3: whether he's playing seven or eight. He just prepares to 156 00:06:57,067 --> 00:06:59,427 Speaker 3: get to the week right and helps the boys around him. 157 00:06:59,427 --> 00:07:03,227 Speaker 3: So yeah, you're right with superlatives. He was created a 158 00:07:03,227 --> 00:07:05,387 Speaker 3: lot that he created the first try someone was carrying 159 00:07:05,387 --> 00:07:07,867 Speaker 3: and work around the breakdowns phenomenal. 160 00:07:08,627 --> 00:07:11,227 Speaker 2: We saw Jordi Barrett leave the field in the first half. 161 00:07:11,547 --> 00:07:12,907 Speaker 2: Can you tell us what the issue was there? 162 00:07:14,547 --> 00:07:16,627 Speaker 3: Yeah? I haven't had the for sure, but I just 163 00:07:16,707 --> 00:07:19,947 Speaker 3: know he's hanging on and he's hoping there's nothing too 164 00:07:19,987 --> 00:07:22,347 Speaker 3: much wrong. It's his knee, the other knee that he has, 165 00:07:22,427 --> 00:07:25,547 Speaker 3: other knees, so hopefully that's only a short short term 166 00:07:25,587 --> 00:07:28,347 Speaker 3: a couple of weeks. But you know, we'll know about 167 00:07:28,347 --> 00:07:31,787 Speaker 3: that when we get scans on that tomorrow. But yeah, 168 00:07:31,827 --> 00:07:33,947 Speaker 3: he's a little bit sore today, so this evening, so 169 00:07:34,187 --> 00:07:35,787 Speaker 3: we'll see how we go, all. 170 00:07:35,667 --> 00:07:37,307 Speaker 2: Right, And just to finish a lot of players have 171 00:07:37,347 --> 00:07:39,627 Speaker 2: had big workloads these last three weekends. I think ten 172 00:07:39,667 --> 00:07:42,787 Speaker 2: players have started all three of these three big test matches. 173 00:07:42,787 --> 00:07:44,907 Speaker 2: Lots of others have had three test weeks in a row. 174 00:07:45,307 --> 00:07:46,867 Speaker 2: Are we likely to see a few other players get 175 00:07:46,867 --> 00:07:48,387 Speaker 2: opportunities next week in Durant? 176 00:07:49,907 --> 00:07:52,027 Speaker 3: I think, I think we'll put the best team for Italy. 177 00:07:53,027 --> 00:07:55,707 Speaker 3: But you've sort of you've still of touched on something 178 00:07:55,747 --> 00:07:58,267 Speaker 3: that maybe we've considered that it's been a mass of 179 00:07:58,267 --> 00:08:01,147 Speaker 3: three weeks and worked hard during the three weeks and 180 00:08:01,227 --> 00:08:03,587 Speaker 3: like everybody is, but we've just got to figure out 181 00:08:04,627 --> 00:08:07,187 Speaker 3: exactly what the best team and where everyone's at to 182 00:08:07,187 --> 00:08:10,147 Speaker 3: make sure that, you know, make sure that we can 183 00:08:10,227 --> 00:08:13,587 Speaker 3: play really well against Italy because we'll need to put 184 00:08:13,627 --> 00:08:17,947 Speaker 3: them away so yeah, we see what happens Sunday and Monday, 185 00:08:17,947 --> 00:08:20,347 Speaker 3: probably to see where everybody's at. But you're right, people 186 00:08:20,387 --> 00:08:23,267 Speaker 3: have had a big workload and there's definitely going to 187 00:08:23,307 --> 00:08:24,347 Speaker 3: be that it need to be a bit of a 188 00:08:24,387 --> 00:08:25,627 Speaker 3: freshen up in a couple of spots. 189 00:08:26,427 --> 00:08:30,427 Speaker 2: Safe travels, Jace, thanks for joining us as always, Thanks Poidie, 190 00:08:30,467 --> 00:08:33,187 Speaker 2: Thanks mate, all the best mind. That's Jason Holland, assistant 191 00:08:33,227 --> 00:08:35,387 Speaker 2: coach of the All Blacks, joining us with his thoughts 192 00:08:36,267 --> 00:08:37,907 Speaker 2: and some interesting ones there too. 193 00:08:38,587 --> 00:08:41,747 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 194 00:08:41,867 --> 00:08:45,147 Speaker 1: to News Talk z B weekends from midday or follow 195 00:08:45,187 --> 00:08:46,747 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.