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Speaker 1: We got some insights, some stats from the police on

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Speaker 1: their focus on this violence and retail crime. So we've

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Speaker 1: got ram raids down eighty three percent on August of

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Speaker 1: last year. Foot patrols are increasing sixty three percent in

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Speaker 1: Central Auckland. Around seventy four percent of Now, this is

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Speaker 1: the key, seventy four percent of children and young people

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Speaker 1: put through Fast Track Youth offending programs haven't been referred back.

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Speaker 1: Assistant Commissioner Investigations, Paul Basham's with us. Paul, very good

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Speaker 1: morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Mike.

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Speaker 1: What's happening here? That's seventy four percent stat I give

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Speaker 1: with the children young persons. Are they being treated differently?

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Speaker 1: Are they being in the system for the first time?

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Speaker 1: What's happened there?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think what you're sort of seeing there is

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Speaker 2: evidence of the kind collective ambition of agencies like police

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Speaker 2: and OLGA, Tomareiki working together to try and keep these

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Speaker 2: kids out of the system and to prevent them from

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Speaker 2: befinding in the first place. You know, we have an

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Speaker 2: agency old dobbers to hit our hands on these offenders.

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Speaker 2: And you know, let's be clear, a lot of these

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Speaker 2: children and use that we've refer to generically very troubled kids,

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Speaker 2: but they are out there in the environment causing a

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Speaker 2: lot of crime, and often causing crime that's associated with

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Speaker 2: violent so pleasers peace and this is to get our

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Speaker 2: hands on them and to bring them into the system.

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Speaker 2: And I think the fast Track is an example where

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Speaker 2: we are able to do that and work productively with

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Speaker 2: other agencies like ordering a Tamariki and other various multi

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Speaker 2: agency groups that come into that space, you can have

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Speaker 2: some success in keeping their use in children out of

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Speaker 2: the system and therefore preventing further crime and harm out there.

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Speaker 1: We'd talk about us in the community seeing the difference.

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Speaker 1: Cops are on the street, We're seeing the stats. I'm

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Speaker 1: reading the stats out Do you feel, as police you

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Speaker 1: are tangibly now making a difference.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I'd like to speak to the dedication and

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Speaker 2: the effort of the police officers, the front line responders,

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Speaker 2: and our investigators, our major crime teams and others are

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Speaker 2: out there dealing with this day and day out. I

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Speaker 2: think the statistics are positive. We're not sort of we're

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Speaker 2: not declaring victory or anything like that. We understand that

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of work that needs to be done,

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Speaker 2: but I can provide your listeners with a high degrad

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Speaker 2: of very assurance that we are really keen and very

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Speaker 2: positive about being out there and being visible and very

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Speaker 2: driven to hold these offenders in the sort of offending

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Speaker 2: to account.

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Speaker 1: Do you think just the visibility is a chilling effect?

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Speaker 1: In other words, they've tried it on. They're not afraid

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Speaker 1: of the law because there is no law to be seen.

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Speaker 1: Suddenly the law is there on the corner. Suddenly the

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Speaker 1: crime drops. Is that that simple or is there more

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Speaker 1: to it than that?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there probably is a bit more to it

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Speaker 2: than that. But you know, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: you know pleasing and certainly the model that we follow

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Speaker 2: here based on an English model over the last hundred

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Speaker 2: years or so, it comes back to some pretty sort

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Speaker 2: of consistent basics and being visible and being in the

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Speaker 2: right place undertaking the right sort of plessing activity. In

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Speaker 2: this case, you know, increasing foot patrols, and we've made

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Speaker 2: announcements recently about what we're doing in that space. There's

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Speaker 2: plenty of science out there that so this says those

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Speaker 2: simple acts of being visible in providing that reassurance is

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Speaker 2: really effective. It creates risk for offenders that might run

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Speaker 2: a roll the dice and take a chance somewhere. But

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Speaker 2: it also provides the community and others with a high

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Speaker 2: degree of reassurance. So it takes a lot of boxes

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Speaker 2: and it's a basic, simple, pleasing deployment model that's been

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Speaker 2: around for quite some time.

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Speaker 1: Paul, appreciate your time very much, Paul Basham, who's the

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Speaker 1: Assistant Commissioner in charge of investigations, and so nicely summed

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Speaker 1: up in one answer, isn't it if you're visible and

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Speaker 1: you're in the right place. It's been around for a

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Speaker 1: long time and we're suddenly back into it and gosh,

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