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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: from Newstalk ZB.

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Speaker 2: This year marks the twenty fifth anniversary of the Sydney

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Speaker 2: Paralympic Games. Forty two Kiwis represented New Zealand at those

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Speaker 2: Games and brought home eighteen medals, including our first ever

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Speaker 2: Paralympic medal in cycling, when Paralympian number one two four

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Speaker 2: mark Ingalls claimed silver in the kiloh time trial. Eighteen

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Speaker 2: years previously, in November nineteen eighty two, at the age

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Speaker 2: of twenty three, had been stuck in a snow cave

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Speaker 2: on Odaki Mount Cook for thirteen days because of an

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Speaker 2: intense blizzard and had both his legs amputated below the knee.

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Speaker 2: After he was rescued, his passion for the outdoors never

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Speaker 2: left him, though. He became a successful power alpine skier,

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Speaker 2: claiming several national and international medals, and later turned to

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Speaker 2: competitive cycling, representing New Zealand at the World Champs and

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Speaker 2: winning that historic silver medal at the two thousand Sydney

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Speaker 2: Paralympic Games. In two thousand and two, he was appointed

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Speaker 2: an Officer of the New Zealand Order of Merit for

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Speaker 2: services to People with disabilities. In two thousand and six,

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Speaker 2: he became the first ever double amputee to reach the

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Speaker 2: summit of Mount Everest. What a pleasure to welcome mark

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Speaker 2: Ingalls into the studio. Great to see him mate. One

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Speaker 2: week short of twenty five years since you won that

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Speaker 2: medal October eighteen, two thousand, it was Is it still vivid?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Very much?

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Speaker 1: So?

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, well, you couldn't think of the better

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Speaker 4: place to have what we call it the Olympics, you know,

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Speaker 4: because it's the they have the practice event the few

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Speaker 4: weeks earlier, and they've got it right for us.

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Speaker 3: And when we turn up and you.

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Speaker 4: Know, Sydney, what a phenomenal atmosphere, that whole city of

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Speaker 4: five million or a hair of many they have just

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Speaker 4: brought into the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: It was electric.

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Speaker 2: He had been a very successful skier. What was it

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Speaker 2: about cycling that attracted you?

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Speaker 4: Because I wasn't that successful at skiing. Really it's you know,

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Speaker 4: it's for cycling. The one thing for a double mputee

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Speaker 4: is it allows you to have a really high cardiac

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Speaker 4: output without wrecking your stumps. And so I tried the

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Speaker 4: running thing and things like that. Skiing you really can

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Speaker 4: only do it in the winter here in New Zealand,

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Speaker 4: then you have to go overseas and had a young family,

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Speaker 4: so that wasn't working out. But if you've got a bike, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you can bike anywhere at any time. And you know,

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Speaker 4: back at Mount Cook in the day, back in the

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Speaker 4: late seventies and early eighties, we had some of the

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Speaker 4: first mountain bikes in New Zealand. We had ski guides

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Speaker 4: bringing them over from America. You know, so the very

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Speaker 4: first specialized stump jumpers and earn all these things, and

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Speaker 4: so we were happily riding around national parks. Well you're

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Speaker 4: still allowed to, yeah, And so cycling has always been

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Speaker 2: So once you took it up, was it always your

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Speaker 2: ambition You're aimed to be bloody good at it?

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I guess.

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Speaker 4: You know a bit of your attention deficit mail and

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Speaker 4: it's like if you're going to ride a bike there

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Speaker 4: and emails will ride it fast. And so initially I

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Speaker 4: hadn't discovered the Paralympic cycling. It was only once I'd

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Speaker 4: got into it for a few years when I was

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Speaker 4: doing a bit of technical mountain biking and the likes.

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Speaker 4: There was no mountain bike or Paralympic mountain biking, and

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Speaker 4: so I swapped back over to the road and then

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Speaker 4: got on the road bike and discovered that whole paralymp

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Speaker 4: you know. And we were ten years behind the rest

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Speaker 4: we are a long way from everywhere. There were professional

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Speaker 4: European Paralympic cyclists. All the big teams had a Paralympic

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Speaker 4: team as well, you know, the US, the UK, all

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Speaker 4: So you know, it was what a fantastic opportunity.

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Speaker 2: How long did it take you to get used to

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Speaker 2: riding on a vlodrome?

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Speaker 4: The ten days before riding on my kilo to do

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Speaker 4: the training. I was senior wine maker at Montana and

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Speaker 4: Mulbre at the time, and our only training track was

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Speaker 4: the four hundred meter concrete track that was on the

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Speaker 4: Poor Al Wayne that the team manager, when he saw

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Speaker 3: Up, go up, go up, and I'm getting there. I'm

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Speaker 4: And I always remember he rang up Ron Cheatly, you know,

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Speaker 3: Ron, what am I going to do here? You know

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Speaker 3: I got this? You know I've got this country hick.

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Speaker 4: He's never actually been on it, so it was it

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Speaker 4: was a bit of a learning experience for us all.

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Speaker 2: So you went to Sydney, as I understand it, without

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Speaker 2: even an official time recorded over one thousand meters. Had

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Speaker 2: you never competed in this event before?

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Speaker 4: No, not in the kilo, So you know I made

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Speaker 4: some I had some good wins and in the road cycling,

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Speaker 4: and that my advantage has always been as a double amputee,

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Speaker 4: you can get out of the settle and you can sprint,

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Speaker 4: so it means you can climb really well on road cycling,

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Speaker 4: or it means you can start really fast. So it

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Speaker 4: was no use me doing an individual pursuit. I'd be

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Speaker 4: able to do the first lap fast and everyone catches

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Speaker 4: you up. And so the selectors at the time took

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Speaker 4: a punt. They knew that I was writing really well.

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Speaker 4: An amazing coach Tony Kadderick from Blenham and you know

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Speaker 4: they put the faith in me and blindly entered me

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Speaker 4: in the kilo and you know it was like it

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Speaker 2: So you're completely under the rate, unranked. So the way

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Speaker 2: this event works, as most people know, is that the

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Speaker 2: I guess, the faster riders go last, so you would

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Speaker 2: have been one of the first. You clocked one twenty

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Speaker 2: three point one six' nine and then what you just

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Speaker 4: Quicker it's amazing every TIME i see this happen on

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Speaker 4: Our olympic And paralympic. Coverage you, know you see that

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Speaker 4: person that's done a really fast say like toall To,

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Speaker 4: france you, know you see and the time, trials you

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Speaker 4: until someone goes. Faster it's like, ah you, know and

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Speaker 4: it was just watching, everyone you, know because, yeah it

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Speaker 4: of a sudden you've got a bronze. Medal you, know

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Speaker 4: it's like, sweet that's that's good for, me you. Know

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Speaker 4: and then you know the last, one and so that

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Speaker 4: Was Radovan, kaufman and you know he was a single

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Speaker 4: had a lot Of slovenia beef in, it you, know

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Speaker 4: soon as he lit, OFF i knew that he would

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Speaker 2: Me. Yep silver must still have been, special, though because

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Speaker 2: what were your expectations going and did you expect to

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Speaker 3: Podium, oh definitely. Not you, know, well, no that's.

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Speaker 4: Wrong you're not competing in something if you don't want to,

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Speaker 4: win of, course you, know and you don't compete in.

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Speaker 4: Something AND i knew that in my, TRAINING i had

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Speaker 4: ridden the first lap faster than the world record for

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Speaker 4: the first, lap but you know it was unofficially. TIMED

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Speaker 4: i knew that IF i could just hang in there

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Speaker 4: and the tutoring By wayne on the, track you, know

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Speaker 4: we were quietly confident THAT i could do.

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Speaker 2: Something and so once you'd won your silver, medal then

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Speaker 2: with the. Cycling after, THAT i guess you moved onto

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Speaker 2: top Of, everest among other. Things so did you ever consider, that,

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Speaker 4: Cycling, yeah but you need to understand that two thousand

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Speaker 4: an amateur athlete at The, paralympics you, know and especially you,

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Speaker 4: know if you're you, KNOW i was senior win maker

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Speaker 4: At montana at the, time and so you need cyclings

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Speaker 3: Out you. Know it's just everyone else had just got

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Speaker 4: Better you, know the leagues That Wayne alexander AND i

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Speaker 2: Things how long did it take after your amputation to

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Speaker 4: Forward, well because we had to lie in hospital and

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Speaker 4: the amputation On Christmas eve in eighty. Two you sort

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Speaker 3: Is and so we've done a lot of that. Processing

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Speaker 3: it's still still really. Hard you, know it's still damn.

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Speaker 4: Hard but you, know if you're gonna have your legs

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Speaker 3: Mountaineer you. KNOW i was a professional, mountaineer and you,

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Speaker 4: really and so it wasn't about, oh never climb. Again

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Speaker 4: it's just, like when CAN i climb? Again you, Know

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Speaker 4: and there was a frustration about climbing too, slow which

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Speaker 4: is WHY i stepped away into the cycling and the

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Speaker 4: Yep i'm still. Learning it's you.

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Speaker 2: Know. Yeah were there times, though that were particularly challenging

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Speaker 4: Me not, really because in a lot of, cases you,

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Speaker 4: Discovery channel program on frostbite playing at the end of your.

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Speaker 4: Feet you, know it was just LIKE i was a trained,

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Speaker 4: paramedic you, know you knew exactly what was. Happening you're

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Speaker 4: making decisions not to get, hypothermia but to accept, frostbite you,

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Speaker 4: it would be much much harder if you out racing

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Speaker 2: Experience i'll never take the silver medal away from, You,

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Speaker 2: mark one of many amazing things that you've. Done lovely

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Speaker 2: to see, you, Mate thanks for stopping in and all

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Speaker 2: the best for what lies. Ahead thank You Mark ingeles

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Speaker 2: our very First paralympic cycling medallist twenty five years. Ago Next,

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Speaker 2: Saturday october, eighteen the year two thousand when he claimed

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Speaker 2: say many amazing things That mark has. Done great to

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