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Speaker 1: New Zealand's voice of reason is Mike the mic Hosking

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Speaker 1: Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate, your local experts across residential,

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Speaker 1: commercial and rural news togs Head been bully.

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Speaker 2: And welcome today the Reserve bankers back to the cash

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Speaker 2: right cat in the world of tumults and good news

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Speaker 2: from universities. Got good news on house building, bad news

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Speaker 2: on organized crime, good news on super Rugby, Mark and

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Speaker 2: Jenny Politics Wednesday, Richard Arnold, Steve Price in there as well,

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Speaker 2: Pasky Little of the week. Let's get into it seven

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Speaker 2: past six. I mean, isn't it a lesson in life?

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Speaker 2: What seems a little bit tricky appears now in the

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Speaker 2: rearview mirror an absolute breeze. What were we dealing with

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Speaker 2: for today's Reserve Bank cash right call? A well one

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Speaker 2: broad agreement that we would have another twenty five points today,

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Speaker 2: followed by another twenty five points in May. We knew

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Speaker 2: this because the bank told us this too. There was

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Speaker 2: a level of back and forward over the so called recovery.

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Speaker 2: Little bit of good news here read the manufacturing back

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Speaker 2: and positive some bad news there read the spending in

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Speaker 2: the services sector is still treading water. We had the

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Speaker 2: GDP out of Q four, good healthy number. Inflation was sorted,

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Speaker 2: although some price pressure is still about the place, and

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Speaker 2: that Council rates insurance cost issue that you know, so

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Speaker 2: called non tradeable that was still not where we wanted it.

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Speaker 2: But broadly it all seem reasonably clear. Then came Trump

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Speaker 2: and tariffs and the world got tipped upside down. So

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Speaker 2: what do the RB do today? Ah, well, in Australia

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Speaker 2: than our expecting four cuts. Are the tariffs inflationary? Yes

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Speaker 2: they are, so we need to tame it, don't we.

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Speaker 2: So that means cuts are off, doesn't it. But do

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Speaker 2: the tariff slow the economy down?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yes they do, So that's rate cuts and more rate

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Speaker 2: cuts we need to stimulate. But what outweighs? What does

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Speaker 2: inflation trump recession? And by how much?

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Speaker 4: And when?

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Speaker 2: Who knows? Can New Zealand work our way through tariffs

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Speaker 2: with less impact? In other words, we sell quality more

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Speaker 2: than quantity. Equality is somewhat terriff proof, so we can

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Speaker 2: carry on the way we work, but we sell to

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Speaker 2: other countries that might be more affected. Therefore they slow down.

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Speaker 2: They can't buy our stuff after all, So are we

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Speaker 2: more affected? Further question given this is in the Reserve

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Speaker 2: Bank terms, breaking news and other words, it's only just

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Speaker 2: happened and because of that, no one knows what the

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Speaker 2: hell is next. How do you make a call around

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Speaker 2: all of this? How much of the past few days

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Speaker 2: is in today's decision? Final question? How pleased does Adrian

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Speaker 2: to be? The hell out of there? And on holiday? Actually?

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Speaker 2: Final final question? Where is Adrian? And do you ever

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Speaker 2: get an explanation for as Tanty and his exit? Anyway?

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Speaker 2: Newfill and governor today, same old monetary committee and the

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Speaker 2: future of our fragile recovery at stake? What could possibly

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Speaker 2: go wrong?

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Speaker 5: News of the world in ninety seconds.

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Speaker 2: Looks like the markets have found some sort of flaw

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Speaker 2: up for now. Anyways, we see broadly green numbers this morning,

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Speaker 2: but that's that has not addressed the what is next

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Speaker 2: bit For places like Britain, which is where Sir Quilla

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Speaker 2: comes in.

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Speaker 6: I don't think that they are good for our economy

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Speaker 6: or for economists around the world, and my instinct is

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Speaker 6: that we shouldn't jump in with both feature retaliate, So

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Speaker 6: in that sense I'm not changing my plans now.

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Speaker 2: He was in front of the Select Committee as Mate

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Speaker 2: Rachel was in the commons.

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Speaker 7: This is an anxious time for families who are worried

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Speaker 7: about the cost of living. We have your backs, and

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Speaker 7: British businesses who are worried about what a changing world

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Speaker 7: will mean for them, we have your backs too.

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Speaker 2: Meantime, the Trump team of finding the sand pit a

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Speaker 2: little bit crowded as Musk and Navarro go at it.

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Speaker 8: Navarro said about Musk that he was not a car manufacturer,

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Speaker 8: a car assembler.

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Speaker 9: No.

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Speaker 8: Musk's response to that has been to say if Peter Navarro,

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Speaker 8: he's a moron who is dumber than a sack of bricks.

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Speaker 2: Ah. And they're worry about Terriff's in London and in

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Speaker 2: Birmingham though they've got other problems. The reds are as

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Speaker 2: big as cat and the booms are still not empty.

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Speaker 10: So I understand how difficult this is for the people

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Speaker 10: in the city. This is why we're very keen to

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Speaker 10: get a resolution to the dispute, and also why are

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Speaker 10: we're taking the continuency mentions that we are as well

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Speaker 10: to ensure that we're providing support to the people.

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Speaker 3: And it's very difficult circumstance.

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Speaker 2: Royal News harries Beck and Court moaning about his lack

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Speaker 2: of security.

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Speaker 11: In his submission, it means that he has been single

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Speaker 11: out for different unjustified an inferior treatment.

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Speaker 2: And as he does, then his dad and step Mumer

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Speaker 2: seeing the sites of Rome.

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Speaker 12: While the tourists here the Colosseum probably got a bit

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Speaker 12: more of a show than they expected. Today you can

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Speaker 12: still just about here the Welsh Guards and the Sassari

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Speaker 12: Brigade bands who have been playing right inside the Colisseum

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Speaker 12: to welcome the King and Queen.

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Speaker 2: Finally, scientists claim to have found the Garden of Eden.

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Speaker 2: The main bloke is a computer scientist called Constantine. Anyways,

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Speaker 2: been looking at old maps and diagrams for the years,

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Speaker 2: and he believes the Bible talking about the river that

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Speaker 2: the garden of Edens near is actually referring to the mile,

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Speaker 2: so the gardens in Egypt. He also sees the Great

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Speaker 2: Pyramid of Giezer is in fact built on top of

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Speaker 2: where the Tree of Eternal Life is, so that will

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Speaker 2: be part of that big city that's underground that everyone's

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Speaker 2: interested in. All that could be complete and out of crap.

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Speaker 8: That is the news of the world in.

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Speaker 2: Nineteenth South Korea. By the way, they've I kepped you

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Speaker 2: up with South Korea. No one has kipped you up

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Speaker 2: with South Korea the way I have the impeached president.

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Speaker 2: They need to do something about that once they impeach,

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Speaker 2: so they need an election, a presidential election. Well I

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Speaker 2: have that for you. They've set the date overnight for

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Speaker 2: June three, So hopefully that's sorted once and for all.

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Speaker 2: Twelve past six, The.

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Speaker 2: Zeb opening debate last night Albanezi Dunton. Many people called

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Speaker 2: fifteen past six, Jay am My Wealth Andrew callaher Good morning. Yeah, Moni, Mike,

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Speaker 2: is this stuff still live given I'm assuming some of

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Speaker 2: it was collected pre Liberation Day.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, you're talking about the ANXIQSBO. Well look just just quickly,

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Speaker 13: I mean, there's global fallout from the Trump tariff announcement

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Speaker 13: that's going to dominate financial hedal some time to come.

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Speaker 13: And just noting that we're only a few months into

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Speaker 13: a four year term, remember so, but we did have,

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Speaker 13: yes yesterday an important domestic survey.

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Speaker 14: Release so QSBO.

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Speaker 13: Now we know the RBNZ looked closely at the outputs

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Speaker 13: from this report. So it is reasonably important that there

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Speaker 13: is this caveat, as you say, and we're going to

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Speaker 13: have to use this caveat a lot over the coming weeks.

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Speaker 14: Micah.

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Speaker 13: Anything that was any data or any survey that was

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Speaker 13: collected before Liberation Day could quite possibly be out of date.

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Speaker 14: I mean, because sentiment in.

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Speaker 13: Particular could have taken a bit of a hit. But

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Speaker 13: what did we learn from the QSBO Well, headline business

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Speaker 13: confidence has lifted, with a net twenty three percent now

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Speaker 13: expecting general economic conditions to improve over the coming months,

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Speaker 13: and that's up from a net nine percent the previous quarter.

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Speaker 13: Forward but that that's forward looking, mic when you look

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Speaker 13: at actual runs on the board in gosh, how many

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Speaker 14: We said this?

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Speaker 13: At actual activity, a measure of firm's own trading activity

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Speaker 13: suggests weak demands. So we're seeing this difference between the

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Speaker 13: here and now and the forward looking explanation expectations. So

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Speaker 13: a net twenty one percent reported a decne in the

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Speaker 13: that's still we're just still not seeing this come through yet.

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Speaker 13: There's also some caution around hiring, an investment that was

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Speaker 13: evident in the report. Also some evidence in the survey

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Speaker 13: of cost pressures. Now a net eight percent of firms

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Speaker 13: So they're seeing those cost pressures. But that eight percent,

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Speaker 13: that's very low by historical comparisons, so suggest there is

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Speaker 13: little evidence of cost pressures being passed through. So from

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Speaker 13: an inflationary point of view, the survey seems pretty denied,

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Speaker 13: pretty benign. Now, the arbiens that are on the line

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Speaker 13: today their cashureate review. There is no monthary policy statement,

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Speaker 13: it's just official cash rate, and just looking at the

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Speaker 13: cash rate doesn't seem like there is anything to stand

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Speaker 13: in the way of twenty five basis point reduction, and

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Speaker 13: that they clearly signal twenty five basis points, I think

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Speaker 13: they'll just rub a stamp that call.

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Speaker 2: Today okay, very good. Indeed, So what do we make

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Speaker 2: of what happened yesterday? Bits of Asia is still a

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Speaker 2: bit problematic, But we recovered dead cat bounce. What do

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Speaker 13: Well, I hate using the term dead cat bounce because

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Speaker 13: I'm sure there's a whole lot of you know pet

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Speaker 13: actually kind of what we've seen. What we have seen

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Speaker 13: those the last twenty four hours might have been calmer,

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Speaker 13: so a little bit more settled across our time zone. Yesterday,

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Speaker 13: the INSIDEX gained just one hundred one percent. The AUSSI

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Speaker 13: com'st up one point six percent. They hang seeing up

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Speaker 13: one and a half. But this volatility has continued over night, miake.

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Speaker 13: And actually when the US markets opened up, they had

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Speaker 13: as we've watched trading unfold, that rally has sort of faded,

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Speaker 13: although it's still up, but it's only up. Well, it

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Speaker 13: call it half a percent, shall we. Val Jones was

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Speaker 13: the same. It also opened up with a good bounds,

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Speaker 14: Interest rates have been interesting, Mike. In the last twenty

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Speaker 13: Wholesale interest rates have done this massive sort of reversal.

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Speaker 13: The US long bond fell to three point nine to

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Speaker 13: oh it's now back at four point two to three.

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Speaker 14: So a lot of volatility there.

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Speaker 13: Our rates have done the full circuit to our tenure.

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Speaker 13: Government bond fell to four point three four, but that

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Speaker 13: interest rate yesterday shot back up.

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Speaker 14: To four point five four.

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Speaker 13: And I just want to make one comment though, mate,

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Speaker 13: because amidst all this tariff kerfuffle is the only thing

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Speaker 13: we can talk about. We have lost sight of some announcements,

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Speaker 13: that defense announcement yesterday, and we haven't talked about this.

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Speaker 13: So putting the actual defense spending to one side, there's

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Speaker 13: nine billion dollars of new spending in their mic.

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Speaker 14: You know, where can we afford that? Where's that money

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Speaker 14: coming to?

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Speaker 2: These questions? These are questions and it's all to be

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Speaker 2: revealed allegedly.

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Speaker 14: In the budget.

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Speaker 2: So exactly, I just have to wait a exactly what

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Speaker 2: Right mate, go well, Andrew Kelleher joemowealth dot co dot

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Speaker 2: Ratings are in for the final episode of White Lotus

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Speaker 2: for HBO six point two million. Is that good? It's

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Speaker 2: Year out on the telly. The first debate between Elberonesi

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Speaker 15: Are you the biggest spending government since Whitlam so forty years?

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Speaker 15: In forty years, there has not been a higher.

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Speaker 14: Spending government than your government? Is that correct?

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Speaker 16: Well, the only gas policy that the Coalition have is

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Speaker 16: If the nuclear plan stacked up, the private sector would

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Speaker 16: You just need your Medicare card, not your credit card,

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Speaker 15: Do you have to use your just your Medicare card

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Speaker 7: Chance up to pay something.

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Speaker 15: Thank you very much and I appreciate it because yours

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Speaker 15: is the story of literally hundreds of thousands, millions of Australians.

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Speaker 2: Sky News, ABC nine News called it for Elberannezy. Sydney

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Speaker 2: It was prosaic. Neither leader landed much of a blow

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Speaker 2: we've got some good news. If you've ever thought about

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Speaker 2: When we come to this morning, the Dow was up

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Speaker 17: Boys will be boys, and we will let their public

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Speaker 18: I love it.

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Speaker 2: You couldn't find me in to weis spend that chip

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Speaker 2: So it's this good generation homes bost Craig Harrison's with us,

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Speaker 2: Craig morning, Good morning mate. So it's not going back down,

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Speaker 19: We've still got a bit of a way to go.

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Speaker 2: Okay, do the message about it never being a better time?

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Speaker 2: Good stuff, Craig, appreciate your INSIGHTE Craig Harrison, who's the

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Speaker 17: Keep explain the White House's evolution from this is not

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Speaker 9: As the President said yesterday, Jasmine, both things can be

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Speaker 17: The entire administration has always said that President Trump is

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Speaker 2: Both things can be true. In fact, if you close

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Speaker 2: think hard enough. Mike Hamish Campbell Harris for being a

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Speaker 2: that with it involves the church, a church you probably

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Speaker 2: never heard of. I don't I think he was arressed?

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Speaker 2: He was asked a couple of simple questions. He's a

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Speaker 2: publicly elected official. But more shortly eighteen to two.

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Speaker 2: Make yesterday up and lead in Auckland for christ Church.

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Speaker 2: living their dream as well. Now, Richard, how are you

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Speaker 2: you there?

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Speaker 21: He is?

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Speaker 2: My apologies, Richard Simon said. The tariffs, where are we at?

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Speaker 22: Tariffs and markets?

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Speaker 14: Yeah?

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Speaker 22: You know it is obvious. During the madness of the

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Speaker 22: past twenty four hours, which saw the biggest windows swing

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Speaker 22: in the history of the Dow.

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Speaker 4: Street.

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Speaker 22: Investors are desperate for any sign of a break from

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Speaker 22: this tariff threat, even if fake news that Trump might

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Speaker 22: be considering an only day pause at the market like

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Speaker 22: a rocket. It's been up and down again today. Right

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Speaker 22: now it's down just a few points. As the Trump

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Speaker 22: team has been talking about negotiations with some countries.

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Speaker 23: Sirs.

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Speaker 24: Trump, virtually every country wants to negotiate. If I didn't

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Speaker 24: do what I did over the last couple of weeks,

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Speaker 24: you wouldn't have anybody wants to negotia.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, so at least he's talking about that now. US

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Speaker 22: Treasury secretary has got better and there's some seventy countries

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Speaker 22: made contexts on this, and a couple of them are

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Speaker 22: also moving to have talks with the White House.

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Speaker 25: We have.

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Speaker 19: One of the themers officials coming in this week. The

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Speaker 19: Japanese are very eager to get over and I think

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Speaker 19: you're going to see a couple of big trading partners

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Speaker 19: in deals very well.

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Speaker 22: Not China. They say they will not be bullied in

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Speaker 22: the White House says the so called reciprocal tariffs will

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Speaker 22: take effect from midnight here, including an additional fifty percent

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Speaker 22: on goods from China. At a briefing a short time ago,

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Speaker 22: Trump's press person said the presents would like to see

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Speaker 22: iPhones made in the United States. You know, Apple has

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Speaker 22: lost about twenty percent of its value in the last

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Speaker 22: three days and says it is now planning to supply

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Speaker 22: more iPhones from India, not China. So none of this

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Speaker 22: is settled. Higher prices could be felt here within days

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Speaker 22: on cars, on food, and other items, so this is

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Speaker 22: really starting to bite. As for iPhones, they're saying that

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Speaker 22: the prospect of talking about iPhones being made in the

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Speaker 22: United States is absurd because it would cost in many

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Speaker 22: thousands of dollars, is the estimate. None of this, obviously

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Speaker 22: is settled. Meantime, Elon Musk, as you've been hearing a

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Speaker 22: split with Trump on tariffs, with the White House now

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Speaker 22: saying quote, boys will be boys, and so that's his

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Speaker 22: take on this. But Musk also posted the nineteen fifty

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Speaker 22: zero video of conservative economist Milton Friedman talking about the pencil. Yeah,

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Speaker 22: the humble pencil and how it could not be made

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Speaker 22: without free trade. Here is part of Musque's post.

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Speaker 26: There's not a single person in the world who could

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Speaker 26: make this pencil. Remarkable statement not at all. The wood

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Speaker 26: from which it's made, for all I know, comes from

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Speaker 26: a tree that was cut down in the state of Washington.

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Speaker 26: To cut down that tree, it took a saw to

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Speaker 26: make the saw. It took steel to make the steal.

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Speaker 26: It took iron ore. This black center we call it lead,

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Speaker 26: but it's really graphight compressed graphite. I'm not sure where

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Speaker 26: it comes from, but I think it comes from some

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Speaker 26: mines in South America. This red top of here, the

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Speaker 26: eraser bit of rubber probably comes from Malaya, where the

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Speaker 26: rubber tree isn't even native. Who was imported from South

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Speaker 26: America by some businessmen who was the help of the

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Speaker 26: British government.

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Speaker 22: So it's an interesting history. Musks is he wants zero

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Speaker 22: terrace with Europe.

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Speaker 26: Effectively creating a free trade zone between Europe and North America.

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Speaker 22: So what take Experts are welcome from everywhere to travel

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Speaker 22: to Silicon Feilio or to Elon Musk's cap plans, except

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Speaker 22: maybe not from Mexico. Mask also has split with Trump's

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Speaker 22: economic advisor Pete Navarro, as you've been hearing, calling him

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Speaker 22: a moron and dumber than a sack of bricks. This

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Speaker 22: after Navarro said Mosk is not a car manufacturer but

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Speaker 22: really enjoys.

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Speaker 2: And then we've got RFK and the MAHA movement. Where

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Speaker 2: are we at with the measles?

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Speaker 22: Yeah, markets down, measles up. The US is dealing with

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Speaker 22: the worst measles outbreak in decades, or because many people

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Speaker 22: are not getting their kids vaccinated. So in parts of

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Speaker 22: Texas where the anti vac sentiment are strong, we are

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Speaker 22: seeing hundreds of cases and measles. Now, two children have

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Speaker 22: died of it, including an unvaccinated eight year old girl.

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Speaker 22: There are more than six hundred cases in the US

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Speaker 22: so far this year, and they've spread into eighteen states.

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Speaker 22: Health Secretary Arak Junior, who are said in the past

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Speaker 22: that measles can be good for you if you get

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Speaker 22: over it. Well, this young girl did not get over it.

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Speaker 22: RFK traveled to Texas to attend a funeral and he

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Speaker 22: issued a statement where he reversed decades of his own remarks, saying, quote,

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Speaker 22: the most effective way to prevent the spread of measles

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Speaker 22: is quote the MMR vaccine end quote. Then, after leaving

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Speaker 22: that funeral, outer K Folston praising a Texas doctor is

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Speaker 22: called mass infections of meadles quote God's version of immunization.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 22: In twenty nineteen, RFK went off to Samoa during their

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Speaker 22: measles outbreak, which led to fifty seven hundred cases and

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Speaker 22: eighty three deaths due to decreased vaccination race there, which

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Speaker 22: RFK had endorsed on that trip. The measles, by the way,

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Speaker 22: arrived in Samoa from New Zealand carried on a steamer

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Speaker 22: in eighteen ninety three, and over one thousand people died

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Speaker 22: at that time. Epidemiologist doctor Michael Miner says he is

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Speaker 22: terrified these US resurgence could be the start of another

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Speaker 22: measles Academic here his take on the situation.

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Speaker 16: As we start to see a case in one community

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Speaker 16: start to spoke, it has its risking igniting Franklin a

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Speaker 22: He notes that measles, as one of the most contagious

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Speaker 22: viruses known, can spread from one case to dozens of people,

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Speaker 22: causing not only a ration of fever, but also brain inflammation,

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Speaker 2: One see you Friday. Richard Arnold stateside, I've got a

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Speaker 2: receipt in front of me from a place called Fabletics,

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Speaker 2: which is out of China, and so the order subtotal

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Speaker 2: five hundred and sixty four dollars sixty you take off

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Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy five dollars for your total VIP

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Speaker 2: savings and you get a discount of twenty one ninety eight.

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Speaker 2: Shipping is free, so that's encouraging. But now we've got

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Speaker 2: a new addition to the bill. It's called a tariff surcharge,

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Speaker 2: and the tariff'sur charge on this particular receipt is forty

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Speaker 2: four dollars and nine cent bring the total order to

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Speaker 2: four hundred and eleven dollars seventy one. So it's real,

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Speaker 2: it's arrived, it's happening in nine to seven.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Hosking Breakfast with a Vita Retirement Communities news

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Speaker 1: togs had been.

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Speaker 2: So amidst the unanswerable questions around tariff's. Of course, people

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Speaker 2: did want to know about some of the pool. I

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Speaker 2: was watching an interview yesterday. Los Soto has virtually no

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Speaker 2: trade with America, and the reason they have no trade

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Speaker 2: with America is they're all poor. They earned three dollars

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Speaker 2: on average per person per day, so they can't afford

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Speaker 2: anything from America. But they're still been whacked with tariffs.

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Speaker 2: How does that work? What about the ping? How con

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Speaker 2: the penguin's got weik with tars? And what about madagesca well.

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Speaker 17: The reciprocal tariff rates that were implemented by country. We're

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Speaker 17: focused on the monetary tariff that those countries have imposed

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Speaker 17: on the United States, but also the non monetary tariff

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Speaker 17: barriers and the regulations, if you will, that have been

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Speaker 17: put into effect over the years making it harder for

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Speaker 17: America to export to these countries. These were very carefully

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Speaker 17: crafted numbers. There was also a ten percent baseline tariff

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Speaker 17: across the board as well as you know, moving forward,

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Speaker 17: the President will talk to any country that picks up

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Speaker 17: the phone to call, and I can tell you the

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Speaker 17: phones have been ringing off the hook.

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Speaker 2: SHEII generated five minutes away from seven holl the ins

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Speaker 2: and the outs.

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Speaker 1: It's the fizz with business tiber take your business productivity

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Speaker 1: to the mixed level.

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Speaker 2: Related matter is the oil plunge. At the moment they

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Speaker 2: reckon it's going to be short lived. You got a

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Speaker 2: bunch of oil Exix currently meeting at a symposium in Toronto.

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Speaker 2: So they think this is a shock reaction as opposed

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Speaker 2: to a supply demand ongoing issue. Mind you, that may

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Speaker 2: well change of the economy's tank. Of course, Chief Executive

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Speaker 2: didn't play oil. It's dropped on fear, a fear of recession,

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Speaker 2: and nothing else. So currently West Texas Intermediate low sixties

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Speaker 2: down fifteen percent, Brent sixty four. The CEOs of all

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Speaker 2: the big companies say this will go back up if

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Speaker 2: it doesn't immediately. Trump can claim, of course, that oil

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Speaker 2: so low, it's incredibly low. I can't believe how low

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Speaker 2: it is, you know how he does. So anyway, we'll

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Speaker 2: see where that goes at the moment. But I mean,

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Speaker 2: the way, the only wind Trump's got in the last

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Speaker 2: twenty four hours, as far as I can work out,

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Speaker 2: as the Supreme Court, the seventeen ninety eight Alien Act

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Speaker 2: that he's quoting at the court over the el sell

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Speaker 2: the door business. All these people he's rounded up, he's

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Speaker 2: far and deported them under the Alien Enemies Act that

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Speaker 2: in seventeen ninety eight when the US believed it would

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Speaker 2: enter a war with France, they went to the court.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's gone, wait a minute, you can't enact that, and

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court for now has said, yes you can.

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Speaker 2: So that's a win. But they also said that you've

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Speaker 2: got to test it. So in other words, you begin

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Speaker 2: to round somebody up, you can't just put them on

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Speaker 2: a plane. They have to be allowed to go to

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Speaker 2: court to defend themselves. So that's a little bit of

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Speaker 2: plant the ointment, but overall they're claiming it as a victory.

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Speaker 2: Come back to this Hamish Campbell thing harassed as a

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Speaker 2: member of the church and the Benjamin Doyle angst around

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Speaker 2: the place. But we'll also look at the Reserve Bank.

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Speaker 2: They're out today twenty five points. Everyone seems to agree,

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Speaker 2: but where do we go from there? That's the big question.

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Speaker 2: Sharon Zola, chief economist of the Gay and Z is

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Speaker 2: back on the program right after the news, which.

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Speaker 5: Is mixed news, opinion and everything in between.

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Speaker 1: The Mic Hosking Breakfast with the range Rover Villa designed

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Speaker 1: to intrigue and use Togsdad be.

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Speaker 2: Only seven past seven, so before last week, the Reserve

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Speaker 2: Bank story seemed fairly straightforward, didn't it. Twenty five points

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Speaker 2: to day another twenty five next meeting were largely done

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Speaker 2: inflation in the box. Welcome to the new normal. Obviously

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Speaker 2: the world has since been tipped on its head. So

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Speaker 2: how does that play out today? Aine's the chief economist,

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Speaker 2: Sharon's on the back? Will this Sharon?

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Speaker 21: Good morning, Good morning?

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Speaker 2: Are we all aligned around twenty five today?

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Speaker 27: Yes, that is certainly the case. But obviously the risk

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Speaker 27: that they do something else has rythen, given all the

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Speaker 27: kerfuffle in the last week. So if they were to surprise,

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Speaker 27: then a fifty point cup would be likelier than a pause.

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Speaker 27: But there is a general agreement that the senseful thing

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Speaker 27: to do at the moment is just sick to the

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Speaker 27: plan and keep a watching brief.

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Speaker 2: How breaking news is the committee? I mean, how much

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Speaker 2: of what has happened in the last handful of days

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Speaker 2: will color what they're doing?

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Speaker 27: Well, it certainly colors the risks, but it's too soon

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Speaker 27: for them to actually put it into their forecasts. It's

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Speaker 27: very unclear how this is all going to pan out.

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Speaker 27: I think most people are realizing that there's less bluff

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Speaker 27: in these tariff moves than was hoped or perhaps assumed

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Speaker 27: early on, and therefore that the global growth outlook is weaker.

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Speaker 27: I mean, the direct tariff impact from New Zealand is

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Speaker 27: manageable ten percent tariff on about thirteen percent of our

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Speaker 27: goods exports. So that's okay, that's not a game changer.

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Speaker 27: But if global growth starts to look weaker everywhere and

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Speaker 27: it really impacts the outlook for the Chinese consumer and

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Speaker 27: everyone else, then that's a bit different.

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Speaker 2: Is three percent still neutral?

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Speaker 27: That is a rezive bank's estimate at the moment, So

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Speaker 27: that's sort of what we're all working to. But it's

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Speaker 27: one of those things that they sort of wait and

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Speaker 27: see how things pan out and then realize, oh, it

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Speaker 27: must have been that. It seems a reasonable working assumption,

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Speaker 27: but they always keep an open mind on that front.

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Speaker 2: How important does the commentary? It is not a full

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Speaker 2: monetary so what he says, and the fact he's in

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Speaker 2: part time, he's only there for six months, it's all

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Speaker 2: got a flux vibe about it, doesn't it.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, But I wouldn't say it's what he says, it's

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Speaker 27: what the committee says. They do pour over those documents

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Speaker 27: together very much. So yes, it's all going to be

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Speaker 27: about hints about what comes next, about how open they

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Speaker 27: are to cutting more, cutting faster. I would expect some

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Speaker 27: reassuring words that they stand ready to do whatever is

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Speaker 27: required to in the face of weaver might come around

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Speaker 27: the corner. So the market has already moved to price

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Speaker 27: a small chance of the fifty today but also more

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Speaker 27: cuts going forward, and I wouldn't expect the Reserve Bank

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Speaker 27: to push back against that because that's a very reasonable

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Speaker 27: affection of the risks as they stand today. So I

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Speaker 27: don't think the Reserve Bank will sound is as sure

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Speaker 27: about what comes next as they did in Tebery.

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Speaker 2: But what about the psychology of in other words, the

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Speaker 2: key we say for people who are freaking out and

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Speaker 2: the mortgage people who are freaking out because they don't know,

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Speaker 2: because no one knows, and that plays into the vibe

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Speaker 2: and the economy.

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Speaker 3: Is that a problem.

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Speaker 21: Yeah.

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Speaker 27: Confidence is definitely a really important channel, and we are

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Speaker 27: still at a pretty fragile stage of the recovery. I mean,

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Speaker 27: the recovery is definitely happening. You can see that a

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Speaker 27: hole across a whole lot of data, but we're definitely

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Speaker 27: not in the coctual part of things, where people are

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Speaker 27: feeling that we're on a really good part. I think

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Speaker 27: terms are sort of just starting to dust off those

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Speaker 27: investment plans and employment plans, and this could see them

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Speaker 27: put them back on the shelf. And there was that

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Speaker 27: bank already assumed in their last statement that the global

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Speaker 27: uncertainty which would damp an investment. They'll be even more

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Speaker 27: alert to that possibility now. But of course the fifty

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Speaker 27: point cut could be counterproductive in that regard. And so

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Speaker 27: far as this is the message that.

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Speaker 2: Things are going to get really bad, jeez, it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: Good on you, Sharre and appreciate it very much. Sharon's

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Speaker 2: on them, am the chief Economists. Ten minutes past seven,

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Speaker 2: of course on z'd B. Today, police are delaying the

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Speaker 2: role out of the mental health changes for the second time.

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Speaker 2: He sort of saw this coming, didn't you mean?

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Speaker 4: This is work.

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Speaker 2: It's been underway to reduce basically the demand that mental

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Speaker 2: health call outs have on the police. At the request

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Speaker 2: of the multi agency group who are running this, the

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Speaker 2: rollout's now going to be staggered across the various police

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Speaker 2: districts rather than the all at once approached. The Police

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Speaker 2: Association President Chris Carhills Well it's Chris Morning more than Mike.

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize. But there's apparently district variation. Is that

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Speaker 2: even if it is true, why.

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Speaker 21: Basically because different districts have different capability to actually from

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Speaker 21: health to actually deliver on it. So they simply don't

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Speaker 21: have the services in some of those district health boards

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Speaker 21: for one of the better phrase, now they've a mountimated

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Speaker 21: them to actually deliver what the police need to hand

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Speaker 21: over these these people suffer in mental distress. So police

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Speaker 21: have agreed to just slow down and do it by

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Speaker 21: district I mean, the best thing, Mike. And finally health

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Speaker 21: and the national level of recognizing they've got to step

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Speaker 21: up and take responsibility for what is a health problem,

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Speaker 21: not a police problem.

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Speaker 2: How much of this in your heart of hearts do

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Speaker 2: you reckon? It's about people hating change, not liking it.

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Speaker 2: It's not my problem, So I'm going to complain a

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Speaker 2: lot and try and stall this as opposed to you

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Speaker 2: know what, it is your problem and you've got to

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Speaker 2: step up.

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Speaker 21: Originally, there was certainly a lot of the former people

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Speaker 21: in the health area just didn't want to take responsibility,

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Speaker 21: and that's what we learned from overseas. Unless police to

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Speaker 21: relign on the sand and say nope, you're going to

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Speaker 21: do it. The people suffer mental distress, don't get the

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Speaker 21: right care from the right people at the right time,

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Speaker 21: and that is not police officers sitting in hospitals for

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Speaker 21: six ass That's not good for anyone. So you know

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Speaker 21: we had to push it. We pushed it. Now I'm

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Speaker 21: engaged in and I understand what you're on. To slow

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Speaker 21: down and just make sure we get it right. We

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Speaker 21: don't want anyone falling through the cracks. But remember, police

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Speaker 21: will still go to anyone because at risk of harming

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Speaker 21: themselves or the public. So a police time is spent

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Speaker 21: on mental health call apps. It's the ridiculously, I don't think.

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Speaker 2: I don't think anyone seeing a cop sitting there literally

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Speaker 2: for six hours an eed is serving anybody.

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Speaker 24: Well.

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Speaker 2: I think most people get that. So you remain as

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Speaker 2: an idea. You're as confident as you were.

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Speaker 19: Yeah.

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Speaker 21: Look, I've spoken recently to the police team that have

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Speaker 21: griven up. I've said I'm going to hold you to account.

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Speaker 21: I don't want to see this as a backgund. They've

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Speaker 21: given me a surances note. It's just making sure that

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Speaker 21: things are in line. To actual people don't slip through

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Speaker 21: the cracks. So it takes a little bit longer to

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Speaker 21: get it right. So yet a long and this is

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Speaker 21: the thing on most team to make sure it happens.

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Speaker 21: How to on board and run with it and don't

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Speaker 21: just continue to push.

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Speaker 2: Back you befind so it gets us okay, Chris, well,

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Speaker 2: well done, Chris Carhill Police Association President, thirteen past seven

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Speaker 2: pask weak with the police. We'll find out this morning

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Speaker 2: via a poll from Courier that, unfortunately Tamotha Poll's out

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Speaker 2: to lunch breaking news didn't. I'm not sure if this

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Speaker 2: comes as a surprise. Question in the poll was does

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Speaker 2: seeing police officers on beat patrols make you feel more

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Speaker 2: or less safe? Nationally? Sixty six percent of say we

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Speaker 2: feel more safe. It was credible Tamitha was telling me

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Speaker 2: that apparently were we freak out when we see the police.

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Speaker 2: But no, it's not true. Sixty six percent of New

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Speaker 2: Zealanders feel more safe, only ten percent feel less safe,

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Speaker 2: twenty percent feel no difference. Broken down by gender if

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Speaker 2: you want gender, age, area, ethnicity, party vote. Is there

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Speaker 2: any incidence that Tamitha might be correct? No, not a

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Speaker 2: single one so Tamatha is officially completely and utterly out

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Speaker 2: to lunch fourteen past.

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Speaker 2: STB, Organized Crime. It's bad reading our first report out.

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Speaker 2: There's a number of reports coming out. The government set

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Speaker 2: up a ministerial advisory group will work you through the

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Speaker 2: detail and talk more about it. After seven thirty seventeen

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Speaker 2: past seven, We've got good news meantime from the campus.

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Speaker 2: Though international student numbers are all but back to pre

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Speaker 2: COVID levels. Across eight unis there are around twenty thousand

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Speaker 2: full time foreign students right now. The university's New Zealand CEO,

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Speaker 2: Chris Wheelan, is back with us.

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Speaker 14: Chris Morning, Good morning.

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Speaker 2: So this is good because tourism hasn't managed to do

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Speaker 2: what you guys have, which is encouraging. Does this cement

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Speaker 2: our reputation? In other words, it's not permanently damaged?

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Speaker 23: Look, I certainly think so. All the feedback we're receiving

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Speaker 23: from agents networks and student networks overseas as it's great

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Speaker 23: to have these ends back open. We're seen as a

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Speaker 23: high quality destination to come and get a qualification, and

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Speaker 23: we are relatively free from a lot of the turmoil

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Speaker 23: that's being experienced around the rest of the world.

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Speaker 2: Is it the same countries, as the same makeup or

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Speaker 2: as things changed?

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Speaker 23: It's very much the same countries. International education takes a

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Speaker 23: long time to shift countries, So majority of US students

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Speaker 23: are still coming from China, then a big step down

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Speaker 23: to India. These will always be very very important markets

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Speaker 23: to US, and we have incredibly strong relationships with those countries.

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Speaker 23: But obviously, you know, we're also looking at expanding into

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Speaker 23: different markets as the world's education system changes over time.

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Speaker 2: Does the Australian scenario help us? That's got very angsty

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Speaker 2: Dunton's promising massive fees, all that sort of stuff. Do

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Speaker 2: we look better because of that?

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Speaker 23: Well, this is why I say we are protected from

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Speaker 23: a lot of the turmoil facing the rest of the world.

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Speaker 23: Most of our competitor markets have policy settings that are

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Speaker 23: making them quite unattractive now to international students. So China,

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Speaker 23: that's sorry. Canada, I'm sorry, put a hard limit on

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Speaker 23: student numbers well below their current levels, and they just

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Speaker 23: haven't had enrollment to get even close to their target

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Speaker 23: because you know, agents and students have kind of gone

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Speaker 23: Canada's closed for business. So countries, like you said, and

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Speaker 23: look pretty good in that context.

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Speaker 2: Fiscally, is it working?

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Speaker 23: Absolutely, look at you know, and obviously money is only

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Speaker 23: a part of why we do this. It's great to

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Speaker 23: see the look for life back on our campuses, you know,

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Speaker 23: with the industrial students and what they bring. But absolutely,

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Speaker 23: at a time when you know there are financial challenges,

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Speaker 23: they are very welcome.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff. Nice to catch up. Chris Wheeland, University's New

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Speaker 2: Zealand Boss. I've got the Trade Meet Market report on

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Speaker 2: housing for March. Prices up, demand more than a four

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Speaker 2: year high. Average asking prices increased by ten thousand dollars,

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Speaker 2: which is one point two percent, sitting at eight sixty

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Speaker 2: one thousand. Canterbury only one of the big three cities

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Speaker 2: to show both month one month and year on year

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Speaker 2: growth because that's Canterbury. Number of listings decade high in February.

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Speaker 2: Gisbon up thirty one, West Coast up twenty six, a

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Speaker 2: Targo up twenty four, Canibary up twenty percent, South and

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Speaker 2: up fourteen percent, so a lot of houses. Prices are up,

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Speaker 2: interests up, Things are coming to life nicely. Seven twenty.

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894
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Speaker 2: he's a billionaire and a major donor to Donald Trump.

895
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 2: He is like the rest of us, looking on, incredulous

896
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 2: or furious, or in disbelief or in confusion. Yesterday, for

897
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 2: a very brief period of rumor that appeared to come

898
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Speaker 2: out of a very small account or two on X

899
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: swept the market. Trump was considering a ninety day pause

900
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,760
Speaker 2: in tariffs. The market, which had been continuing its downward

901
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,919
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902
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903
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,360
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904
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: it was true, So I fell apart again. That's, as

905
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: one article suggested, was an off ramp for the president.

906
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,839
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907
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,959
Speaker 2: decided it could all be a mistake, the markets would

908
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 2: have forgiven them, put it behind them, and we'd be

909
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,759
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910
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 2: I don't understand the goddamn formula, And in that he

911
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 2: is not alone. Many of the billionaires who backed Trump

912
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 2: don't understand the formula. They also didn't back the idea

913
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 2: that Trump would trash the place. And yet more of them,

914
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: mainly headed by the bloke who runs Blackrock, thinks the

915
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: US economy is already in recession. If it is in recession,

916
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: Howard Lutnik will need to be rolled out to explain

917
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 2: how that happened, given according to Luttnik, it wasn't possible.

918
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 2: So once again we asked the simple question. If the

919
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: brightest people in the room don't understand the goddamn formula,

920
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: If Trump's closest allies and supporters don't get it, who

921
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 2: does or worse, is it possible no one does? And

922
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 2: this thing is a runaway train? And if it's not

923
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 2: a runaway train, is it possible that yet another Trump

924
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: backer is right when he suggests America is now a

925
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 2: global laughing stock. And most of them, to quote Elon,

926
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 2: are dumber than a sack of bricks.

927
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 18: There's going to be no recession in America.

928
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 2: Hosking Hammer Capital was one of the ex posts Hammock Capital.

929
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 2: The other one was Walter Bloomberg, both with Blue techs.

930
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 2: Walter Bloomberg problem with Walter Bloomberg was Most people thought

931
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 2: it was Bloomberg asn't he, And you wonder why we're

932
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 2: all in trouble. So then we come back to flights

933
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 2: on Monday. We gave you the takeoff landing times, tiny

934
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 2: little numbers of cancelations. Everything looked tikety boo. In the

935
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Speaker 2: world of aviation, a lot of you said, hey, wait

936
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 2: a minute, what about regional what about the turbo props?

937
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 2: That's where the action is quite right. Good point. So

938
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: we go directly, of course, to the Ministry of Transport.

939
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 2: We go to them on the Monday and we say, hey,

940
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 2: how about these numbers. What's going on? Some suggesting that

941
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:34,919
Speaker 2: in New Zealand works fairly hard to keep the numbers

942
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Speaker 2: quiet as as possible, we ask. So we go to

943
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: the Ministry of Transport on Monday. They come back to

944
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: us on Tuesday, because of course coming back to us

945
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 2: on Monday would be far too difficult. The same day,

946
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 2: so they come back to us on Tuesday and they

947
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 2: say they are quote working on a response. Now, this

948
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 2: was just at nine o'clock, just as we came off

949
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 2: here working on a response. Now we got no response,

950
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 2: so we chased them up yesterday afternoon, having given them

951
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 2: not only Monday, but another six or seven hours of Tuesday.

952
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 2: We are current, quote unquote, we are currently in discussions

953
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Speaker 2: with the number of airlines and are planning to provide

954
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Speaker 2: regional reporting shortly. I hope we didn't start that, because

955
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 2: it sounds like a lot of people hope too, a

956
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: lot of energy. We then went back four minutes later,

957
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Speaker 2: still before five o'clock, of course, because that's when Wellington closes,

958
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 2: and asked, what does shortly mean? Is there a timeline?

959
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 2: No response to that. So I sit here at seven

960
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 2: twenty seven on a Wednesday morning, having engaged them first

961
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: thing on Monday, and we are still, like many an

962
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Speaker 2: Air New Zealand flight, yet to arrive, yet to land.

963
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Speaker 28: What makes you think that Wellington stays open till five?

964
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 2: Good point, very good point. So we'll keep All I

965
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: can do is keep you posted. But if you ever

966
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,919
Speaker 2: wanted to see some efficiency in the public service, it's

967
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 2: not quite happened yet. We'll certainly not. At the Ministry

968
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 2: of Transport, they have done a report though a ministerial

969
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 2: advisory group. They've been having a good look at organized

970
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 2: crime and they've found a treming amount of it. In fact,

971
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 2: if you want to growth industry, organized crime as the

972
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 2: places to look. So what do we do about it?

973
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 2: Is the big question, of course, and is an age

974
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: old problem still an age old problem. More details on that.

975
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Speaker 1: Next New Zealand's home for Trusted News and Views, The

976
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: Mike asking breakfast with Bailey's real Estate, your local experts

977
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: across residential, commercial and rural news.

978
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 2: Togs Head been significant court case yesterday in the High

979
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: Court and the crown is lost and it's to do

980
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 2: with fisheries and not come back to that in a

981
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: couple of moments. What the government does is the interesting

982
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: part about it. Anyway, Morning Mike. How does the stock

983
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 2: market compare to what it was when he took over?

984
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 2: He being Trump at the beginning of the year. Everyone's

985
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 2: blowing up, but it's still higher than when Biden was

986
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 2: in power. Well, unfortunately that's not true or indeed anywhere close.

987
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 2: So the S and P is down ten percent, the

988
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 2: dows down ten percent, the Nasdack's down fifteen percent.

989
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 28: Just still at least it was that by over fourteen

990
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 28: hundred today.

991
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 29: Actually I know, no couple of moments it was down

992
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 29: now down six hundred, So it's gone plus twelve hundred. No, no,

993
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 29: at first fourteen fourteen hundred, now currently minus six hundred,

994
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 29: it's a two thousand point swing.

995
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: And no, it wasn't better. Well it was better, significantly

996
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 2: better with Biden twenty two minutes away from eight. But

997
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 2: don't worry. There will be no recession and everyone's going

998
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 2: to get rich. What else he's saying. And the penguins

999
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 2: are happy and in the track of trillions of trillions

1000
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 2: of dollars are flooding into America and the Golden Age

1001
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 2: has begun. So that's good, Jenny and Mark after eight

1002
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 2: Politics Wednesday. Right back here, things are not going well.

1003
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: I'm afraid to tell you when it comes to the

1004
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 2: battle over organized crime and Ministerial Advisory Groups delivered its

1005
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: first report. We have record drugs usures, new tactics from gangs,

1006
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 2: new streams making cash, a lot of fraud, migrant exploitation,

1007
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 2: illegal tobacco. The safety and security of kiwis are said

1008
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 2: to be impacted in unprecedented ways. The chair of this

1009
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 2: Ministerial Advisory Group is Steve Simon. Steve morning to.

1010
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 4: You, good morning.

1011
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: Does this what you delivered and what you thought you

1012
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: might deliver? Are they two different things were basically the same.

1013
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 3: That different.

1014
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 28: Mike, I've been doing this for twenty years, so I

1015
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 28: thought by this stage, being a prosecutor for two decades,

1016
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 28: there'd be very little that surprised me. But if you

1017
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 28: look at the numbers, particularly the wastewater numbers, and you

1018
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 28: look at the seizure numbers of how much we're stopping

1019
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 28: coming into the country, it's pretty frightening.

1020
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: Right, do you place any weight on the partial argument

1021
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: was put up when those numbers came out the other

1022
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 2: day a meth and the water that was just gangs

1023
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 2: dumping because the police were raiding them, and therefore you

1024
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: know spike the figures.

1025
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 28: Well, the difficulty without argument is we've seen it go

1026
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 28: up in two quarters now, the end of twenty twenty four,

1027
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 28: the start of twenty twenty five. And also it's all

1028
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 28: across the country, so you're seeing it unless is a

1029
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 28: cord needed dumping by these gangs all at the same time,

1030
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 28: what we're saying is high spike rates in a lot

1031
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 28: of rural areas. So all the small towns the are

1032
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 28: the ones being affected.

1033
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 2: Right, You've got a banking security expert on your panel.

1034
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 2: Are the banks aware of the money flow. Are they

1035
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 2: all over it or not?

1036
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 28: The banks are aware of money floats, their banks have

1037
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 28: a lot of data. But certainly there's a disconnect between

1038
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 28: the work done by the private world and also the

1039
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 28: government agencies.

1040
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's two key points, and that one's the

1041
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: private and the government. So the private feel a bit

1042
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: locked out of what the government are doing. Is that

1043
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: easily solvable in your view or not.

1044
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 28: I don't think it's easily solvable, but it needs to

1045
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 28: be solved, and that's certainly something the Minister's asked us

1046
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 28: to find a way to do.

1047
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 2: And the other problem, and I've been around a while

1048
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 2: and I've heard this about a million times, and that

1049
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 2: is that no one talks to each other and one

1050
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 2: department doesn't share. When does that get fixed?

1051
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 28: Yeah, you could be more right. I pick up any

1052
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 28: report and I've read a few now. They all talk

1053
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 28: about information sharing being one of the biggest problems for

1054
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 28: us collectively to target organized crime. And what we need

1055
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 28: to do is have a pretty honest and bold conversation

1056
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 28: about what information we share between government agencies and what

1057
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 28: is the culture we have in terms of encouraging organizations

1058
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 28: to share information with one another. So we can target

1059
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 28: that organized crime.

1060
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 2: Is it culture or is it the law? Are there

1061
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 2: barriers that they would say, look, I can't. I would,

1062
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 2: but I can't.

1063
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 28: I think, to be fair, Mike, it's both. I think

1064
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 28: some agencies are concerned about whether they can share information

1065
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 28: about organized crime because of concerns that they might be

1066
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 28: breaching privacy rights. And there's a conversation to be had there,

1067
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 28: and there's also a cultural piece. If you're working in

1068
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 28: a government organization, you're focusing on what that organization is

1069
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 28: trying to achieve, and sometimes you're not looking outside to

1070
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 28: what information might help another organization target organized crime.

1071
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 2: Is there any reason why this I don't even know

1072
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 2: if you know the answer. Is there any reason this

1073
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,879
Speaker 2: is going to the Assistant Police Commission in the case

1074
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 2: is Costello as opposed to Mark Mitchell?

1075
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,959
Speaker 28: This was a I think the better way to frame

1076
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 28: it is that Minister Costello kind of took this opportunity.

1077
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 23: And ran with it.

1078
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 28: She's had some interest in this for a long time.

1079
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 28: Of course, having a background herself and the police and

1080
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 28: I know that she had a big interest in trying

1081
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 28: to tackle the sisue of organized crime. And that was

1082
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 28: even before these wastewater numbers came out, which provided some

1083
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 28: momentum for her putting together this group. And the reason

1084
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 28: for the group was she didn't want another report by

1085
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 28: a government agency saying the same thing good. She wanted

1086
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 28: us to stand outside the independent do something different.

1087
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 2: What's your vibe on the Steve as in what I'm

1088
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Speaker 2: sure you are a very busy man with a lot

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00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 2: of interesting things to do in life. Do you sit

1090
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 2: on a committee that's going nowhere or do you sit

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00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 2: on the committee that will affect actual change.

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00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,919
Speaker 28: I sit on a committee as a prosecutor and also

1093
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 28: as a dad worried about what the future might be

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00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 28: like for my kids, and I think I will make

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00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 28: have a team with me which will make some robust recommendations.

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Speaker 28: And I'm hopeful that those recommendations, recommendations will be kept

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00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 28: up and some positive change will happen.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff. Hopefully, talk again, preciate it. Steve Simon, chair

1099
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 2: of the Ministerial Advisor at Group for Organized Crime. Obviously

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Speaker 2: we'll touch on that with Mark. After eight seventeen away

1101
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 2: from ASCAR, Mi Katvians had reported door stopped National MP

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00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 2: claiming he's part of a secretively religious sector the Central

1103
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 2: Sexual abuse investigation. Is this gas lighting language? Did the

1104
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 2: media door stop Benjamin Doyle after a social media post? Now,

1105
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 2: let me just ask you a question. This morning we're

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00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 2: getting a little bit of this. What's your fascination with

1107
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,959
Speaker 2: Benjamin Doyle? I mean, just the obsession with Benjamin Doyle.

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00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,439
Speaker 2: We covered it off extensively a week ago. It led

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00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 2: endless numbers of bulletins. Is it perhaps that you've not

1110
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 2: got some sort of resolution. I mean, Doyle hasn't been seen.

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00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 2: He's another green event off the face of the earth,

1112
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 2: on full pain. You don't never hear from him again.

1113
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 2: Is that what riles you? In defense of this bloke

1114
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 2: from IRELM They asked him, I'm trying to get my

1115
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 2: head around it to the idea that I was the

1116
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 2: inference that he somehow deeply involved in the church, so

1117
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 2: involved in the church that he would know of this investigation.

1118
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 2: Or is it like going up to a person going, hey,

1119
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 2: you're Roman Catholic. I don't know if you've noticed that

1120
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 2: some of the people in the Vatican are a bit dodgy,

1121
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 2: and you somehow sitting in New Zealand going I have

1122
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 2: no idea what you're talking about, or somewhere in between.

1123
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 2: But anyway, we'll deal with this after right as well.

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Speaker 1: Sixteen to two the Vike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio powered by News Talks.

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00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 2: At be got some good news on super rug before

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00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 2: you in just a couple of moments. Just Treaty Settlement's

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00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 2: case in the High Court. So the Crowns breached one

1129
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 2: of our oldest treaty settlements, which is appropriating mary fishing

1130
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 2: quotas without compensation. I can't work out why they did it.

1131
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 2: So nineteen ninety two Fishery Settlement otherwise known as the

1132
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 2: Sea lawd Deal we've all heard of the Sea Lord Deal.

1133
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 2: A group called hu or te oorhu ke Mawana took

1134
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 2: them to court in one So the compensation ode they

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00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 2: claim is substantial. This is the part we're up to.

1136
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 2: So the introduction of the quota management system in nineteen

1137
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 2: eighty six, they operated as a fixed tonnage regime basically right,

1138
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 2: so the Crown would assess whether the fishery was sustainable

1139
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 2: or not. They'd allocate fishing quota on that basis. Now

1140
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 2: it included the option of what was called a twenty

1141
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 2: eight en right to compensate owners for the money they

1142
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 2: would lose as a result of the coms. So in

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00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 2: other words, I come to you and say, look, you

1144
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 2: ten percent less this year because the fisheries a bit dodgy,

1145
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 2: that's the twenty eighty and they could choose to be

1146
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 2: paid out. I either give me the difference or be

1147
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 2: the first in line for some new quota. Then in

1148
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: the early two thousands this system was changed so that

1149
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 2: rather than the Crown bearing the debt, it would be

1150
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 2: made up by reallocating quotas from other fisheries. So the

1151
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 2: court found that have our renegotiators had known settlement quota

1152
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 2: would be subject to reappropriation without compensation in years to come,

1153
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 2: they never would have accepted the nineteen ninety two settlement.

1154
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 2: So that's the win. It seems reasonably clear cut. Now

1155
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 2: the Crown, what do they do? So the Oceans and

1156
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 2: Fisheries Minister Shane Jones, of course he's quote unquote seeking advice,

1157
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 2: and the advice will be one of a couple of things.

1158
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 2: One appeal and hope and two write a check. So

1159
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 2: either either ones problematic. So it's one of those things

1160
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 2: that we will need to follow with a great deal

1161
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 2: of interest because it seems that it's unlike so many

1162
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 2: Like if you follow the Nahu case at the moment

1163
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 2: in christ Church are on water rights that that's really

1164
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 2: going nowhere. I mean, nothing's going to come out of that,

1165
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 2: no matter which way it goes. Whereas this seems more

1166
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 2: specific if you like, so watch the space, tend to wait.

1167
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:55,240
Speaker 5: The Make asking Breakfast with the Range Rover Villa news.

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00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 2: Tokstad b d away from Make got some good news

1169
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 2: around Super Rugby. The amount of time, as in the

1170
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 2: static time where nothing on the field's actually happening, that's down.

1171
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 2: It's been cut by seventy three seconds on average. We're

1172
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 2: scoring more points per game this year than ever sixty

1173
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 2: one on average, a lot of points and we're watching

1174
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 2: more of it. The ratings are up. All of the

1175
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 2: seems good. Super Rugby Pacific boss Jack Missley's well, there's Jack.

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00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 2: Morning to you morning, Mike. How are you very well? Indeed,

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00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 2: I know you're in Australia. I know the crowds and

1178
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 2: watching the viewer. I mean the fact that Australian sides

1179
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 2: are competitive makes all the difference, doesn't.

1180
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 4: It, Well it does.

1181
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 3: You know, we're seeing really unexpected results and many hoods

1182
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 3: for many years get broken. And yeah, a huge lot

1183
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 3: of reversal of results of matches from last year, not

1184
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 3: just with the Australian sides, even you know, with more

1185
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 3: on a specific for example, and you know we're seeing

1186
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 3: big ladder changes. The Crusaders are back from last year

1187
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 3: as well, So all of that sort of unexpected results

1188
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 3: is certainly feeling some interest.

1189
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 2: What sort of television audience are we're talking about, because

1190
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 2: they seem to be secretive in this country, are relatively secretive.

1191
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 2: You're claiming thirty an increase in nine viewership and it

1192
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 2: seems twelve percent here, twelve percent based on what from

1193
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,240
Speaker 2: what to what? I mean, how many hundreds of thousands

1194
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:08,280
Speaker 2: of people are watching television?

1195
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 3: Well, our main game on Saturday night in New Zealand

1196
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 3: is definitely a couple of hundred thousand on Sky, so

1197
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 3: it's really good numbers. And this is off the back

1198
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 3: of good, great last year as well. So yeah, we're

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00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:25,479
Speaker 3: really pleased with how.

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00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 2: That's going because I'm interested in the crowd size as well,

1201
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 2: because the crowds look a mnemic in some games here,

1202
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 2: are they not? Or am I just not looking at

1203
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 2: the right games? And so you're doing averages.

1204
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 3: Oh no, I mean I think the great great on

1205
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 3: both sides of the ditch, which is great. Probably lead

1206
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 3: this year stronger in Australia than New Zealand. But we're

1207
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 3: seeing we're seeing growth. There's no doubt there's a lot

1208
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 3: of upside for us to be had. There's a lot

1209
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 3: of seats, a lot of tickets we can still sell.

1210
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 3: But again, you know, this doesn't happen overnight. You know,

1211
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 3: our focus is really a string season and seasons of

1212
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 3: growth back to back so that we are sort of

1213
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 3: moving in the right direction. And that's certainly happening. I mean,

1214
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 3: I think one of the things we did and the

1215
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 3: data we've released today with a big piece of fan research,

1216
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 3: really getting into our core product. And you know that's

1217
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 3: been the focus this season.

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00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 2: Good it is to really really work with.

1219
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 3: The match epistles, the laws of the game to make

1220
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 3: the product as compelling as possible.

1221
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 2: Not that I'm being negative, but how much of it's luck?

1222
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 2: So your static time, I get it, it's around rules,

1223
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 2: it's movement, I get all of that. But your average,

1224
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 2: my favorite stat, an average of four point three lead

1225
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 2: changes per match. That makes it exciting. You can't manufacture

1226
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 2: that that's just luck, isn't it.

1227
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 3: Yes, But I think what you can do and what

1228
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 3: we have done is through those law changes and the

1229
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 3: match official interpretation moving the game forward, you're bringing You're

1230
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 3: bringing more fatigue into the match. That opens up the

1231
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 3: match for this, for this a play that can That

1232
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 3: means that you know we are getting more unexpected results.

1233
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 3: And then I think you know, there's there's clearly been

1234
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 3: some advancement in the Australian teams quality the Australian teams.

1235
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 3: The rebels have had at a role to play and

1236
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 3: that is that dispersement of talent has been put through

1237
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 3: the other teams as well.

1238
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 2: Good stuff, Jack, go well with it. I hope it

1239
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 2: goes well for the rest of the season. Jack Mesley,

1240
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 2: who's the Super Rugby Pacific CEO, four minutes away from

1241
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 2: eight asking Andrew Little as me or is he the

1242
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 2: answer to Wellington? I don't even think he was from Wellington.

1243
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 2: I thought he'd last time I looked at his from

1244
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 2: New Plymouth? Is that how this works? And this this

1245
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 2: in a way, And don't get me wrong, I like Andrew.

1246
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 2: I got a lot of time for him. I don't

1247
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 2: know how effective as a leader he is. I think

1248
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 2: we tried that out and it was called the Labor Party.

1249
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 2: Didn't work that well? So could he be a mayor

1250
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 2: in Wellington? Why would he be a mayor and Wellington?

1251
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 2: Could he be amor and Wellington? Only because when you

1252
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 2: look at the box, you go, oh, Andrew Little here,

1253
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 2: I recognize that name? And is that all it boils

1254
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 2: down to? What are his credentials to lead a city?

1255
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 2: If he couldn't lead a party and couldn't lead a country?

1256
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 2: And is it literally name recognition? Could Mike Hosking Andrew

1257
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 2: Little and pick a name Desley Simpson, Lamborghini Lover run

1258
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 2: for election and just suddenly win because for no the

1259
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 2: reason you happen to recognize the name. And if that's

1260
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 2: the case, how weird is that? That's before I get

1261
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 2: to David Parker, who leaves, who retired yesterday and gives

1262
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 2: his vow he's a serial entrepreneur, he called himself, which

1263
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,479
Speaker 2: I happen to know is true. He's also a nice

1264
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 2: guy anyway. The reason I raise both those names as

1265
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 2: we shall cover them off with a couple more names

1266
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 2: in just a couple of moments. And those names are

1267
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 2: Mark Mitchell, and Ginny Anderson's Politics Wednesday is next.

1268
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Speaker 1: Setting the agenda and talking the big issues, the Mike

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00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: Hosking Breakfast with Alveda, Retirement, Communities, Life Your Way, News,

1270
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: Togsdad Bhing Normal.

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00:59:54,040 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 30: Mr is Marlon Williams in what seems to be a

1272
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 30: scene at the moment of putting out albums in the

1273
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 30: Maray language.

1274
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 3: And it was.

1275
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 2: Stan Walker who got the what are we calling them

1276
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 2: the songwriters? And there was the Silver Sculls, but the

1277
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 2: awards that got announced yesterday or the day before, so

1278
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 2: he got the most nominations. He's put an Alman and

1279
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,919
Speaker 2: Murray and then there was a Rapper and Cheetah particularly well.

1280
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 2: And Marlon Williams has put this out and I did

1281
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,439
Speaker 2: read an article the other day that suggested he wants

1282
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 2: to dream in Murray. There are fourteen tracks. In fact,

1283
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 2: this is the album where Lord speeching in one of

1284
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 2: them thirty eight minutes and forty nine seconds. We wished

1285
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 2: them well on their awards. It is eight minutes past eight.

1286
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 2: From the Labor Party Ginny Anderson, good morning, good morning,

1287
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 2: and from the National Party Market Ritual, Good morning to you,

1288
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 2: Good morning, Mike, Ginny. Did I make a mistake before

1289
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 2: the news. Where did I get the idea that Andrew

1290
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 2: Little was from New Plymouth?

1291
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 11: He stood in New Plymouth and he has lived there

1292
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 11: for some time, so he was Yeah, he stood there,

1293
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 11: But he now lives in an Island Bay.

1294
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 2: Right, So has he lived as my texts has he said?

1295
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 2: My text here says he's lived in Island Bay for

1296
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 2: fifteen years, which I don't think is true because he's

1297
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 2: stood for New Plymouth.

1298
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 21: Its family.

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Speaker 11: I can know his mum lived there for a while.

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Speaker 11: I'd have to go double check. But he's got family

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Speaker 11: connections there and he has lived there in his life

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Speaker 11: and spent time growing up there.

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Speaker 2: Would he be better than Tory? Would any I mean,

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Speaker 2: let's be honest, would anyone be better than.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely?

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Speaker 11: I think he'd be pretty good, to be honest. I

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Speaker 11: think he'd cut through a lot of the mucking around.

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Speaker 11: I mean, you know, they've kind of debated whether to

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Speaker 11: bulldoze the Bagonia House for about you know, five months

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Speaker 11: or six months.

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Speaker 2: That's a crime that's beautiful there.

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Speaker 11: But he's someone who would kind of not just announce

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Speaker 11: things and then do a U turn and muck around

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Speaker 11: that he would get on with the job. And I

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Speaker 11: think he'd realized the importance of creating consensus and a

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Speaker 11: council and if once you've got your majority, having agreement

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Speaker 11: in just getting work done, I think he'd be.

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Speaker 27: Good at that.

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Speaker 2: Can I ask the question that I'm assuming a lot

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Speaker 2: of people would ask if he ran. If you can't

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Speaker 2: run the country and you can't run the Labor Party,

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Speaker 2: what makes you think you can run.

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Speaker 11: Wellington well I think he's the kind of person that

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Speaker 11: doesn't divide people, and I think that's problematic at local

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Speaker 11: government level that some people don't quite realize that you've

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Speaker 11: got a range of different views and you need to

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Speaker 11: bring them together to get progress happening. I think he's

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Speaker 11: quite level headed and you would be trusted as a good,

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Speaker 11: safe pair of Henes just to get progress, and Wellington

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Speaker 11: desperately needs it. We just need some progress to start happening,

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Speaker 11: and to happen that life and economic vitality back into

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Speaker 11: our city.

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Speaker 2: Mark. Have you met the Napui people up north on

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Speaker 2: the methan fhetamine.

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Speaker 4: No, we're meeting today.

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Speaker 25: We've got a meeting today with them, so they're in Wellington,

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Speaker 25: so we'll all be coming together for a meeting later

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Speaker 25: on so afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Because that report that went to this is separate, he

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Speaker 2: wrote to you. But the report that went to cases Castello,

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Speaker 2: I mean, what are shambles with organized crime and the

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Speaker 2: myth and the I mean, jeez.

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Speaker 25: Well, we know that we've got a big problem as

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Speaker 25: a country. We know that this has taken decades to

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Speaker 25: sort of grow and manifest itself. But I can tell

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Speaker 25: you this that in the last eighty months we've already

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Speaker 25: taken really firm steps in terms of dealing with that.

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Speaker 4: We committed to.

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Speaker 25: Make sure that we get on top of it. It

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Speaker 25: is going to take a whole of system approaching. When

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Speaker 25: I say that, I mean central government, local government, community,

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Speaker 25: groups of private sector.

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Speaker 4: But look, we can get on top of it.

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Speaker 25: When it was certainly not that we haven't waved the

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Speaker 25: white flag on the amount of crime that we still

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Speaker 25: grow over the last six years, we're slowly getting on

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Speaker 25: top of that.

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Speaker 4: We're going to get on top of this.

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Speaker 2: You need to both of you, though, do something about

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Speaker 2: this business. How many reports have I read in my

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Speaker 2: forty four years in this industry that say there's not

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Speaker 2: enough sharing of information between government departments and there are

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Speaker 2: rules of regulations and attitudes around that and none of

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Speaker 2: that and this report says the same thing, none of

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Speaker 2: that seems to have changed. Why not?

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Speaker 4: So we are breaking those walls down.

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Speaker 25: And of course, you know, the whole idea of a

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Speaker 25: social Investment agency is to make sure that we get

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Speaker 25: all the government agencies that historically operate in silos working

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Speaker 25: together and focused on where the best use of tax

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Speaker 25: bars money lies and what will deliver the best results.

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Speaker 4: And that comes to fighting crime as well.

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Speaker 25: And look at the classic example is myself and Simon

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Speaker 25: Wattson and Casey Costello, who of course is my associate

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Speaker 25: and has got the delegation for this, and the reason

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Speaker 25: why she has that is because she's also got customs

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Speaker 25: and they've got an important role to play around law enforcement.

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Speaker 25: And she was a qualified detective, she was a vice

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Speaker 25: president with the Police Association. She's outstanding, very experienced in

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Speaker 25: her and I work very closely together in terms of

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Speaker 25: dealing with this.

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Speaker 4: But I had a meeting with Simon watts who.

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Speaker 25: As the Minister for IRD just before Christmas and said

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Speaker 25: we've got to get information, share and support happening across

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Speaker 25: the agency is much better.

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Speaker 4: And that's happening.

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Speaker 2: Are they running if I'm running pe AM, I running

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Speaker 2: that through the ir D taking more cash operation.

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Speaker 11: No, that would be nice, I think. Well to note

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Speaker 11: actually they've actually slightly loosened up anti money launderings. There's

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Speaker 11: a Billet's elect committing now which we're taking a look at.

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Speaker 11: So it is it is a concern about how much

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Speaker 11: money laundering. John k was pretty good at cracking down

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Speaker 11: on that, and I think we actually need to take

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Speaker 11: a closer look at it. But these two key issues

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Speaker 11: that we need an answer to. First of all, we

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Speaker 11: need to know how much it's the Mexican cartails coming

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Speaker 11: and selling meath much cheaper. It's dropped in about thirty

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Speaker 11: eight percent in price. It's the biggest price drop in

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Speaker 11: New Zealand's history, and that means the market is flooded

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Speaker 11: with cheap methamphetamine. And the second point we need to

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Speaker 11: really find out is is it the same user group

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Speaker 11: using more using is that the ninety six percent increase

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Speaker 11: or is it a widing group. Are they younger people

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Speaker 11: using And that's the big worry because that steals over

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Speaker 11: into retail crime.

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Speaker 25: So at the moment, the evidence on the second point

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Speaker 25: is the fact that we're not seeing although that obviously

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Speaker 25: in the latest wastewater testing there's been a massive increase.

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Speaker 25: We're not seeing that manifest itself in the health system

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Speaker 25: or so we.

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Speaker 2: Don't know the same people more more. Yeah, exactly, And

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Speaker 2: the excerts have said so.

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Speaker 11: Chris Wilkins, I'm sure, who's been in the space for

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Speaker 11: twenty years, says that it takes about three to four

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Speaker 11: months maybe more for it to kind of for one

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Speaker 11: a bit of a word, to actually start showing in

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Speaker 11: social disintegration as family units start to break down and

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Speaker 11: people commit crime against the people they love. That's what

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Speaker 11: it does to communities, and so it'll take four or

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Speaker 11: five months for those kinds of signs to start presenting.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's take a brief break more in a moment.

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Speaker 2: Jinny Anderson, Mark Mentell thirteen past the.

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Speaker 1: Mic Asking Breakfast full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, how it by,

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Speaker 2: It Be News Talks will be sixteen past eight, couple

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Speaker 2: of quickies Ginny Mark with us Jinny David Parker thoughts

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Speaker 2: out of ten.

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Speaker 11: He's a great guy. He's a huge contribution, and to

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Speaker 11: be honest, he's a personal friend. I've known him pretty

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Speaker 11: much straight away since he came into Parliament and he's

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Speaker 11: one of those people that if you've got a problem

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Speaker 11: or you're dealing with an is so you can go

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Speaker 11: into his office and talk to him and he will

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Speaker 11: just give you an hour. He's really generous and incredibly clever.

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Speaker 11: Real smart guy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he is a thought smart.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 25: I really liked David. I mean I remember when I

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Speaker 25: was Defense Minister. I took him up to Bagdad to

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Speaker 25: see our troops up there, and he came back and

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Speaker 25: he was very supportive of them, and I got to

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Speaker 25: know him on that trip, and so yeah, just huge

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Speaker 25: acknowledgment and respect for his service and what he's done.

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Speaker 25: He's obviously moving on to Green of Field, so they

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Speaker 25: say that when you leave Parliament you're immediately ten years younger,

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Speaker 25: so I'm sure he's hoping that happens as well.

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Speaker 2: Protection for MP's Ginny. They're looking at this at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Shane Jones obviously is in the news. Brownly apparently is

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Speaker 2: looking to say do you feel you need something more

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Speaker 2: than what you have, which, as far as I can

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Speaker 2: work out as an alarm and nothing else.

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Speaker 11: I would say that I think post COVID things shifted.

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Speaker 11: You did get more kind of weird stuff happening in

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Speaker 11: sort of threats, not just on social media but in

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Speaker 11: other areas as well. So yeah, I think the threat

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Speaker 11: risk has probably increased. To be honest, it's for not

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Speaker 11: like not Park. Your women get it far more, far

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Speaker 11: greater in terms of online abuse. And that's just the

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Speaker 11: honest truth. But the kinds of things people are saying

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Speaker 11: to you are kind of weird, and yeah, so I

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Speaker 11: always watch it myself to see what they're actually saying.

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Speaker 11: And sometimes, to be honest, maybe I shouldn't, but I

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Speaker 11: do respond to emails I get that that are religion

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Speaker 11: weird stuff, do you, because I feel they deserve a

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Speaker 11: response a lot from your show. Actually, not to be

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Speaker 11: I get about four or five emails from different individuals

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Speaker 11: around the company country with some pretty interesting views, and

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Speaker 11: I often I usually respond, So maybe that's maybe I

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Speaker 11: should stop doing that.

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Speaker 2: But iblic official, and I guess you're sort of open

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Speaker 2: to that sort of thing, Mark, do you? I mean

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Speaker 2: in a high but really like when you're Minister of

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Speaker 2: the Crown, Mark, so police, but I think most people

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Speaker 2: will be on your side ish now, apart from maybe

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Speaker 2: the gangs, but in those contentious areas. I mean, Shane

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Speaker 2: Jones's wife doesn't deserve what happened at all. Deport does

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Speaker 2: you no.

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Speaker 25: Know what that look and that completely totally, you know,

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Speaker 25: condemned that behavior and without a doubt. I think since

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Speaker 25: post COVID, for some reason, boundaries have changed. People are

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Speaker 25: more aggressive and which is bad. As a country. We

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Speaker 25: got to start to move ourselves back in the other direction.

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Speaker 25: Look like, to be honest with you, I've been lucky. Yes,

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Speaker 25: I can't talk publicly about some of the threats that

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Speaker 25: I've had.

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Speaker 4: They do come.

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Speaker 25: They've been mostly because of the work they've done around gangs.

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Speaker 25: That's not going to stop. But I worry about my staff.

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Speaker 25: We had someone in my office last week that required

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Speaker 25: a police response, and you know that that's the world

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Speaker 25: that we live in. For me, I just I'm not alarmist,

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Speaker 25: and I'm just situation where and make sure that my

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Speaker 25: staff and every want is safe from around me.

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Speaker 2: A couple of mark do you know anything about Hamish

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Speaker 2: Campbell of Ireland and two by twos and what the

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Speaker 2: hell's going on here and whether this is a thing

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Speaker 2: or not?

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Speaker 25: To me, it just looks like a huge nothing beat up,

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Speaker 25: you know, I know Hamous very well. He's a good guy.

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Speaker 25: He's he's a very good local MP, really diligent, hard working,

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Speaker 25: hard working in our caucus.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know.

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Speaker 25: I've only seen what I've read in the media, and

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Speaker 25: to me, it's like, I don't really know what they're

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Speaker 25: going on to it.

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Speaker 4: What do you do?

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Speaker 2: Do you have a view? Ginny? Do you know what

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Speaker 2: the twos are? You ever heard of the not in perhaps.

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Speaker 11: And I've ever been advised into one? No, I have

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Speaker 11: read about them. I'm always a bit interested in cults

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Speaker 11: and you know, like sort of small groups. I've read

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Speaker 11: about them, and I think the fear point would be

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Speaker 11: if there is a police investigation relating to child abuse

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Speaker 11: and that needs to play out and you need to leave.

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Speaker 2: Of course, I don't think anyone's talking that. What I

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01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 2: couldn't work out is the repolice investigation in New Zealand.

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Speaker 11: I think that I FBI have contacted New Zealand. There

1519
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 11: seems to be like there's a bit obscure, but there

1520
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 11: seems to be some contact. Mike will probably know more,

1521
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 11: but it seems like I FBI have contacted New Zealand

1522
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:59,839
Speaker 11: police for information and there's some sort of well, that's

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01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 11: that's that that.

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01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 25: Would be an operational meta. So no, I don't know

1525
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 25: anything about that. And if there's a FBI a joint

1526
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:09,719
Speaker 25: police investigation, then let that happen and let them control

1527
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 25: that in reporting.

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Speaker 2: It just couldn't work out whether he's been ping, because

1529
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's I don't know what the two

1530
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 2: by twos do or don't do. But at the end

1531
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 2: of the day, unless he's directly accused in some way,

1532
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 2: shape or form of doing something illegal, being part of

1533
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 2: something isn't a thing. And it's like saying, look, there's

1534
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 2: a lot of dodgy people in the Roman Catholic Church

1535
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:28,880
Speaker 2: and what do you know about that?

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Speaker 4: I agree with you completely.

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Speaker 25: That's the whole point is that why are they reporting

1538
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Speaker 25: on something that unless you know, unless there is involvement

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01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 25: or something like that.

1540
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Speaker 4: To me, it just looks like a beat up.

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Speaker 2: Just quickly, Ginny, I'm up against it now, Benjamin Doyle.

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01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 2: Do we need to have something more than what we

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01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 2: have currently by way of information detail anything?

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Speaker 11: Well, I mean again, it's a similar situation to the

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01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 11: one you've just discussed. If there are grounds for a

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01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 11: further investigation, that's that there are people to do that,

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01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 11: but I don't think so. I think more in terms

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01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 11: of a safety it seems like there's been some pretty

1549
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 11: significant de threats to him, so I think there needs

1550
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 11: to be some serious considerations around whether he can continue

1551
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 11: to feel safe in the parliamentary environment and even in

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01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 11: the public as well.

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01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, anything, make no.

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01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 4: I just think in terms of the safety thing.

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01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 25: Look, I totally agree that you know, people should be

1556
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 25: able to feel safe whether they're at home, whether out

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01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 25: in public, or they're in their workplace. So that's the

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01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 25: number one thing that needs to be a dressed. But

1559
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 25: at the end of the days, he's paid by the tech.

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01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 25: We're all paid by the text pars. We're in service

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01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 25: of the text pars andations.

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Speaker 4: Which we find up to work here.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff. Nice talk to you, Mark Mitchell, Ginny Anderson

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Speaker 2: A twenty two.

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Speaker 1: The MAKEE Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate News Talks.

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Speaker 2: They'd be well, how good are the holidays? We've got

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Speaker 2: some coming up of course with Booker Batch. Holidays are

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01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 2: how they should be fantastic memorable, because holidays are meant

1569
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 2: to be, you know, creating memories with the family, not

1570
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 2: putting up with an uninvited stranger crashing your Coremandel escape.

1571
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 2: When you're into holiday home by the way from Book

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01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 2: a Batch, you always get like the whole house all

1573
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 2: to yourself, so you never have to worry about sharing

1574
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 2: your holiday home with an overbearing host ebba A. No

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01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 2: more host reiterating the house rules every single day. Are

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01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 2: no more host mowing the lawns, whacking the weeds at

1577
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 2: sex in the morning. No more host joining you for

1578
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 2: dinner by the pool than their togs, which means you

1579
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 2: can you can stress less, you can enjoy more and

1580
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:23,680
Speaker 2: get that precious holiday time together a going. So how

1581
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 2: good would all of that be? Well, next time a

1582
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 2: holiday is on the horizon, ghosts the host plan a

1583
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 2: trip in the perfect time with the whole family, and

1584
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 2: the whole family will love it. And the place you

1585
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 2: go is Book a Batch, Book a Batch. Asking, does

1586
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:40,919
Speaker 2: some more investigation need to be done into Ginny's fascination

1587
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 2: with cults? Just asking? So refreshing to hear those two

1588
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 2: not sniping at each other but having adult conversations about

1589
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:51,720
Speaker 2: some fixing major issues. Well done, Michael, thank you for that.

1590
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 2: Next text, Mike, time to change up the slot. Done

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01:13:55,200 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 2: with both, Kay for the same said second thoughts exactly

1592
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:04,040
Speaker 2: another fun day on the mic Hosking Breakfast. Just if

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01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 2: you a listener to this program, a regular to this program,

1594
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 2: and you are emailing Jenny, can you just as a

1595
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:11,719
Speaker 2: personal favor to me, not come across as too weird?

1596
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 2: Don't say strange stuff. Just say don't say random unusual stuff.

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01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 2: I'm just interested in the reputation of the program on

1598
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:22,639
Speaker 2: a broader scale because the difficulty of having got quite

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01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 2: large as a program is you got You've got the

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01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:26,879
Speaker 2: whole kit kaboodle of the population.

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Speaker 19: Here.

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Speaker 4: Everyone's welcome.

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01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 2: It's everyone's welcome. Broad check. No, everyone's there's a super

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01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:33,679
Speaker 2: broad church. But just you know, just keep the nuhiness

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01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 2: at bay. Just on the emails if you don't mind news.

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01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:41,560
Speaker 5: As the Breakfast show, Kiwi's trust to stay in the know.

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01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 1: The mic Hosking Breakfast with the range Rover vi LA

1608
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 1: designed to intrigue and use togs dead b might.

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01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 2: Be interested to hear in New Zealand regional stats. My

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01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 2: husband trying to fly Auckland to Taupo yesterday canceled and

1611
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:56,640
Speaker 2: from Kerry Carey to Auckland today delayed. This happens frequently

1612
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 2: on provincial routes. Don't worry. As I mentioned, we are

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01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 2: right up the JACKXI of the Ministry of transfermaket Urgent Urgent.

1614
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 2: We wrote and we rang them on Monday and we

1615
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 2: got the response back on Tuesday yesterday, first thing saying

1616
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 2: they were on to it, they were cracking on with it,

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01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:19,719
Speaker 2: and by middle of yesterday afternoon they were still cracking

1618
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 2: on with it. They had a team, they were rounding

1619
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 2: up some some airlines to talk to and they were

1620
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 2: they were going to let us know soon, and we

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01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 2: went back and said win soon. No response. That was

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01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 2: before five o'clock yesterday. Any updates this morning so far?

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01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 2: Nothing so far, but it's only eight thirty seven.

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01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 28: Yeah, it won't be open yet.

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01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 2: It won't be open yet, but when they are, we're

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01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 2: all over.

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01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:43,919
Speaker 20: Twenty three to night International correspondence with ends and eye insurance,

1628
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:45,799
Speaker 20: Peace of mind for New Zealand business.

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01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:50,599
Speaker 2: Right, good morning to you. Two part question, How long

1630
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 2: was it and will you get any of those moments back?

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01:15:56,200 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 18: It was an hour and I worked for the telever to.

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01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 18: The company that staged the debate was at the Worthwhile event. Look,

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01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 18: I think to get them both together on the same

1634
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 18: stage is not a bad thing to have happened during

1635
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 18: an election debate. Election campaign. I mean, we're only a

1636
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 18: week and a bit into it, We've got four to go.

1637
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 18: The next debate is going to be on the ABC,

1638
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 18: so you can imagine what way that'll go. This was

1639
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 18: a Sky News Daily Telegraph, supposed to be an audience

1640
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 18: of one hundred undecided voters. I was a little skeptical

1641
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 18: about how undecided these people are as they filed out.

1642
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 18: The result fell in in Albow's favor forty four for him,

1643
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 18: thirty five for Dutt and twenty one people who bothered

1644
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 18: to turn up as undecided voters still were unstarted when

1645
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 18: they left, so that might say a little bit about

1646
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 18: what it was like online. Peter Dutton has said to

1647
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:55,799
Speaker 18: have been a stronger performer. Interestingly, an hour before it happened,

1648
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:58,720
Speaker 18: he got news to his father back in Queensland had

1649
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 18: a heart attack. He'd have to cut him some slack there,

1650
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 18: because I mean, obviously that would be very bad news.

1651
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 18: We've got eight days to go now, really because and

1652
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 18: the reason I say that is we're going to be

1653
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 18: interrupted at a told on Monday by Easter and the

1654
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 18: ANZAC Day long weekend, so there's there's eight days before

1655
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:19,639
Speaker 18: Easter and then about four or five days a clear

1656
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 18: era after that. I think Dutton last night did himself

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01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 18: albut did himself no favors. I think Dutton was pretty

1658
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 18: strong and he needed to be because, as we said

1659
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 18: on Monday, he's been struggling now.

1660
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:36,240
Speaker 2: So as I understand it correctly, if I'm wrong, there

1661
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:38,840
Speaker 2: are two debates sort of that one plus as you say,

1662
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,760
Speaker 2: the ABC seven and nine wants something, Will they do

1663
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 2: more or not?

1664
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 18: Well, Peter Dutton says, to his advantage, they do more

1665
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 18: because I think he's a better performer live and unscripted

1666
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 18: than what the Prime Minister is. So whether it goes

1667
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 18: to one of those two commercial networks, who knows, but

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01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 18: I imagine that they will twist their arms Anthony's I

1669
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:03,599
Speaker 18: doubt that he'll commit to another one. He's done Sky

1670
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 18: and the Telegraph, so that is what you would describe

1671
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 18: as the right leaning media and the ABC is far

1672
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 18: to the left, and so he will think. I think

1673
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 18: that he's got all bases covered.

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01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:18,600
Speaker 2: Now, given our EMMP situation and given your possibility of

1675
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 2: a hung Parliament. When it comes to dealing with minor players,

1676
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 2: are you in the stage yet where you know what

1677
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 2: they are demanding or who they will go with and

1678
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:29,000
Speaker 2: what they want and won't get in bottom lines and

1679
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 2: all that stuff or not.

1680
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 18: Well, yes, from the Greens, but not from the tills.

1681
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 18: So we have that problem that we have a group

1682
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 18: of so called independent community independents, whereas they're really funded

1683
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 18: by Simon Holmes, a Court and Climate two hundred and

1684
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:46,719
Speaker 18: they took millions into these people, so they're not really independent.

1685
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:49,639
Speaker 18: But Adam the leader of the Greens, will today outline

1686
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 18: what he wants if there's a hung government, hung parliament

1687
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 18: that demands the Greens to stump up and allow them

1688
01:18:57,080 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 18: to govern. And the list is extraordinary. And they're going

1689
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 18: to tax billionaire as they say and rate in twenty

1690
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:05,680
Speaker 18: three billion. We're not sure how they'll do that. The

1691
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 18: company tax rate warll go up to forty percent. They

1692
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 18: want dental put on Medicare, which will cost the country

1693
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 18: billions of dollars. They want to turn the government into

1694
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:17,559
Speaker 18: property developers to build cheap and sell cheap houses, stop

1695
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 18: all coal and gas mining completely. All public transport will

1696
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:24,679
Speaker 18: be at fifty cents a ride. They're going to wipe

1697
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 18: all student debt and they'll give every pair in eight

1698
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 18: hundred dollars for the kids to go back to school

1699
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 18: and labol its all public school fees.

1700
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 4: Of course that's a nice little list.

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01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 2: Of course they will. And if push came to shove,

1702
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:41,599
Speaker 2: would they rather be OUSI The history of the Green

1703
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 2: Party in this country in general is they'd rather be

1704
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 2: out of power than in power because they stand on

1705
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 2: quote unquote principle and if you can't agree with us,

1706
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 2: then you're wrong and therefore we don't want any part

1707
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 2: of it. So how does it play out at your place?

1708
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 18: Pretty much the same, except I mean, obviously with the

1709
01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 18: debate around global warming and negative being able to argue

1710
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 18: that you're doing the right thing about the climate, they

1711
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 18: probably wouldn't mind a seat at the table. But unfortunately

1712
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 18: for them, there's so many other independents that even if

1713
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:15,640
Speaker 18: Anthony Albanezi needs two or three, he doesn't need the Greens. Right.

1714
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:17,800
Speaker 2: Where are at with the tariffs in this fallout we've

1715
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:18,720
Speaker 2: seen the last few days?

1716
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:21,760
Speaker 18: Yeah, Well, the US Finance Committee met while we were

1717
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 18: asleep last night. Boy called Senator Mark Warner is blown

1718
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 18: up at a bow called Jamison Greer, who's the US

1719
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 18: trade representative. He wanted to know why friends like Australia

1720
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 18: and we can put in New Zealand in to this list.

1721
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 18: I imagine we're hit with a ten percent tariff. He

1722
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:43,600
Speaker 18: said that Australia is vital to the US security in

1723
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 18: this region of the world. He talked about Aucas. He said,

1724
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:50,600
Speaker 18: Australia is one of our strongest allies. We have a

1725
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:53,600
Speaker 18: free trade agreement with Australia. We don't have tariffs. We

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Speaker 18: even have a trade surplus with Australia. So we do

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Speaker 18: have some Republicans over there having our story.

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Speaker 4: Good.

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Speaker 2: Hey Hanson Pauline who funnily enough, I don't want to

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Speaker 2: be rude or unrude about it, but that says she's

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Speaker 2: approaching seventy, she's about to retire. I didn't have her

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Speaker 2: at seventy, so she's aged very well. She's recruited her

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Speaker 2: daughter Lee to stand in Tasmania, and of Lee wins

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01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 2: because she wouldn't have any of us sons anywhere near Parliament,

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Speaker 2: which I thought was good. Anyway, if she wins, that'll

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Speaker 2: be the first mother daughter combo. Is there any chance

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Speaker 2: that Lee wins? Do we have any clue or not?

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Speaker 14: Yeah?

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Speaker 18: Possibly, I mean the Hanson name and the handsome brand

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01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:33,519
Speaker 18: to a certain part of the Australian voting public is

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01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:36,599
Speaker 18: very strong. Probably Hanson. Were you like her or don't?

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Speaker 18: I interviewed it face to face a number of times,

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Speaker 18: even went once to her house out in the back

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Speaker 18: of Brisbane and interviewed it for television. She is a

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01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 18: principled woman who's never varied from that first speech that

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01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:53,639
Speaker 18: she gave back when she first entered Parliament all those

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01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 18: years ago, where she said, there and we were bringing

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01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 18: in too many migrants and it was going to cause

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01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 18: us trouble. And then she said that forever the daughter

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01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 18: could get up, Yes, she certainly could. Pauline retiring, I'll

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Speaker 18: believe that when I see it. I don't think she's

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01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:08,839
Speaker 18: up for elections time round, and that's why she's probably

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01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 18: brought the daughter in. It's interesting, isn't it. There's never

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01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 18: been a mother mother daughter comba exactly.

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Speaker 2: All right, Nice to see you mate, good weekend. We'll

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Speaker 2: catch up next week. Appreciate it very much. Dee Price

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Speaker 2: out of Australia. For this Wednesday morning, it is Geez

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Speaker 2: sixteen to nine.

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Speaker 1: The Like Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, powered

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Speaker 1: by News talks at b.

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01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 2: We're at thirteen away from nine. Couple of things that

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01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 2: seem to be unfolding that I seem to concur with.

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01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 2: As it turns out, part of Brook vin Velden, who

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Speaker 2: we had on the program last week as part of

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01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:43,320
Speaker 2: her ongoing avalanche or suite of changes around the health

1766
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 2: and safety area or the workplace area, she announced yesterday.

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Speaker 2: She said there was a whole bunch of stuff coming

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Speaker 2: that was going to She did the announcement with the

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister at the eight hundred road Cone thing, which

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01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 2: is when we got her on the next day, but

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01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 2: she had some more stuff coming anyway. She's scrapping the

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Speaker 2: thirty day rule that automatically signs an employee up to

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01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:01,840
Speaker 2: the elect of agreement when they sign on to a

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01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:06,759
Speaker 2: new job. She's all for freedom of choice, good reducing

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01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 2: the burden on employers. Good employees and employers would be

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01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:13,040
Speaker 2: free to agree in a wider range of employment terms

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01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:15,680
Speaker 2: if a new employee listen to the rationale behind it.

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01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 2: If a new employee chooses to negotiate the terms and

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01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 2: conditions that suit their personal preferences or situation, they should

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Speaker 2: have that choice. Realize from day one of employment. Can

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01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 2: you argue with that? You can't possibly argue with that,

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01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 2: can you. It's like compulsory kei wei saber or forcing

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01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 2: you to join unions. There's something woefully wrong with all

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01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:34,479
Speaker 2: of that. If you want to join a union, to

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01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 2: join one, but being forced to join a union or

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01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:38,880
Speaker 2: automatically being enrolled in a union after a certain period

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01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:41,639
Speaker 2: of time is wrong. Meantime, the government also have announced

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01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 2: they're closing down the four hundred million dollar Climate Investment Fund.

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Speaker 2: Where did that come from? That was a James Shaw

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01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 2: special that the last time you heard about the four

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01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:50,400
Speaker 2: hundred million dollar Climate Investment Fund, which in and of

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01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 2: itself in theory, is not the end of the world,

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01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 2: because the idea is you've got some government money. They

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01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 2: invest as opposed to give they invest in businesses. Now

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01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 2: the problem when you last heard about it, they'd invested

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01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:05,720
Speaker 2: and sold a zero and sold a zero wasn't a

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01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 2: company anymore because it had gone belly up, and there

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01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 2: was some question about Blackrock, and Blackrock pulled out, etc.

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01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 2: And so suddenly the whole soul of market became a

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Speaker 2: talking point. And whether or not we get any money

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01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:22,160
Speaker 2: back from that is debatable. So in announcing they're winding

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01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 2: it up, they're looking to get money back. How much

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01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 2: will they recoup, especially given the market over the last

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01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 2: couple of days. Who knows the funds invested almost four

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01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:33,360
Speaker 2: hundred million four quote very limited results. Here's the kicker.

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01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:35,560
Speaker 2: Here's the part that I agree with the Minister of

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01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:38,680
Speaker 2: the Climate Change Minister Simon Watts. There are more than

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01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 2: twenty government funds operating with similar objectives. My question, why

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01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 2: if you want to run a fund for green renewable

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01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, fine, why do you

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01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:54,720
Speaker 2: need twenty one of them? What's the point of that?

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01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 2: And one of them being one that didn't seem to

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01:24:57,400 --> 01:25:00,599
Speaker 2: do any well anyway, do very well anyway. It's nine

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Speaker 2: minutes away.

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01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:05,799
Speaker 1: From nine the Mike asking breakfast with our Veda Retirement

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01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 1: Communities News togs head b.

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01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 2: Given away from NAHAH. Note that fit Farmers is calling

1818
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 2: for the government to strip green Peace of charity status

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01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 2: their latest forays at the Port of Taranaki this week.

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01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:18,560
Speaker 2: I legal occupation. There's no way quote unquote, there's no

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01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 2: way Greenpeace should be eligible for charitable status when they're

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01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 2: engaging in I legal activity. They're nothing short of an

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01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:27,559
Speaker 2: extreme activist group. Who legally disrupt legitimate businesses and spread

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01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 2: dangerous misinformation. Now, under the Charities Act, and this is

1825
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:31,600
Speaker 2: the part I've got a tremendous amount of sympathy with.

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01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:34,679
Speaker 2: Under the Charities Act, they must operate for the public

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01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 2: good and not primarily serve political law advocacy purposes. Now,

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01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:43,000
Speaker 2: can you possibly argue that Greenpeace primarily operate for the

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01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:46,200
Speaker 2: public good as opposed to primarily serve political or advocacy purposes.

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01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 2: You can't. Hard working Kiwi taxpayers are effectively being forced

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01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 2: to subsidize green Peace as I legal activity and political activism.

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01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 2: They've lodged a formal complaint with the Charity Services requesting

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01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 2: they open inquiring I don't know the services do inquire it.

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01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:02,960
Speaker 2: So they run through a whole bunch of stuff. They've done.

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01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:06,639
Speaker 2: The Nobel Discoverer Ship occupation twenty twelve, the Amazon Warrior

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01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:09,599
Speaker 2: See protest of seventeen, the Parliament crane protest of seventeen.

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01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 2: I remember that one. The Fonterra to rap a dairy

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01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 2: factory protest of twenty four I remember that one as well. Actually,

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01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 2: Straterra officers protest in Wellington. Don't think I remember that

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01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:21,880
Speaker 2: Port Narinaki occupation this year. So they've been busy, but

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01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 2: they don't pay tax because they're charity. Are they a

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01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:27,679
Speaker 2: legitimate charity? I ask you as indeed, do the Federated

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01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 2: Farmers Six away from nine.

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Speaker 5: Trending now with Chemist ware House, the home of Big

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01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 5: Brand Fighter.

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Speaker 2: I'm just reading this. This is a very lengthy piece

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01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 2: that Sam has presented to me for Trending, and I

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01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 2: have not been able to pre read it or give

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01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 2: it my usual cursory bill. I might just have to

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01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 2: read it as an imagine that. No, I don't do

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01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 2: that glint. No, I'm well aware of That's not how

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01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:56,400
Speaker 2: I do that stuff. It starts look out big evil

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01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 2: music companies. Now, that's not something I would have said.

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01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:01,560
Speaker 2: I would have said that. What would you have said it?

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01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 4: Ironically?

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01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:03,600
Speaker 26: No?

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01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:08,799
Speaker 2: Probably not. There's a lawsuit coming self proclaimed musician slash

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01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 2: boxer slash actor Mark Mysterio. If you haven't heard of Mark,

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01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:19,680
Speaker 2: then don't worry because no one had, right Salmon, I

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01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:23,599
Speaker 2: wait that only Sam can write. Mark is suing Amazon

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01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 2: Music alleging that they've shadow band as music on their

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01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:30,720
Speaker 2: streaming service. What's shadow band?

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01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:31,679
Speaker 23: Well?

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01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 27: Read on?

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01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 2: I will win, Thank you? He alleges that Amazon has

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01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 2: put an algorithm on his music so that whenever he

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01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 2: puts out new music, Amazon marks it with the dash,

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01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 2: which means it doesn't get promoted on the site. He says,

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01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 2: it means his music doesn't get to us one point

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01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:51,639
Speaker 2: twenty five million fans. Where these fans are? We can't

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01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 2: figure out? O ironic line from Sam there. The lawsuit

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01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 2: also says that Mysterio is a twenty year music veteran

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Speaker 2: and one of Amazon's top stars. He says, between September

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Speaker 2: of twenty three and August of twenty four, he had

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01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 2: eighty million streams of his music for you, Yet somehow amazingly,

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01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:11,640
Speaker 2: since August of last year, the streams have dropped to

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01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 2: essentially nothing. The shadow banning must also be happening on Spotify,

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01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:17,519
Speaker 2: because he says, only has one hundred and eighty one

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01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:22,720
Speaker 2: monthly listeners, so they're clearly scamming too. The kicker, I'll

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Speaker 2: put inflection with the question mark right Sam at the

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01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 2: nth the kicker, he says, proof is that in a

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01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:31,559
Speaker 2: fifty song mixed from Sabrina Kapiner, seventeen of her song's

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01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:36,320
Speaker 2: got promoted, while the fifty song mixed from Mark Mysterio. None, none,

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01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:39,880
Speaker 2: what is going on? Of them got promoted? And if

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01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:45,200
Speaker 2: you wondered why he called himself a boxer, a good point, Sam,

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01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:47,479
Speaker 2: I actually hadn't, but nice to raise that at the

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01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 2: very end, just as a surprise. And if you wondered

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01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 2: why he called himself a boxer, he says he holds

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01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:56,120
Speaker 2: IBA boxing recognition as a contender for a vacant world

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01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 2: title against Jake Paul. There is no evidence for that

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01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:02,719
Speaker 2: on the ABA's IBA site. Sam's gone to the siteans

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01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:04,160
Speaker 2: Chick because he's a fact check.

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01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:06,679
Speaker 14: See, there was a row well researched trending.

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01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:09,000
Speaker 2: Now you can't make it pretty pretty. It was lengthy,

1895
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 2: but well researched, plenty of detail in there with a

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01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:14,760
Speaker 2: couple of question marks and fulfilled you. Probably some good

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01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:15,800
Speaker 2: protein in there as well.

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Speaker 28: And we're gonna follow the Mark Mysterios story closely.

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Speaker 2: Is this Marke mysteriou?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well we're promoting him, aren't we. So we've

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01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:23,760
Speaker 2: solved Make Mysterio's problem. We promoted Mark Mysterio on the

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01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:27,200
Speaker 2: biggest radio program in this country. Now that is us

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01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:30,639
Speaker 2: for the day. We returned to My Morning from six

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Speaker 2: as all ons Pappy Days

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