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Speaker 1: You're listening to The Resident Builder podcast with Peter wolf

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Speaker 1: Camp from News Talks at B. Whether you're painting the ceiling,

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Speaker 1: fixing the fence, or wondering how to fix that hole

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Speaker 1: eight The Resident Builder on News Talks at B.

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Speaker 2: A house sizzle even when it's dark, even when the

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Speaker 2: grass is overgrown in the yard, even when a dog

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Speaker 2: is too old to bar, and when you're sitting at

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Speaker 2: the table trying not to stop.

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Speaker 3: Scissor hole, even when we are band, even when you're thereon.

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Speaker 2: Did house sizzle Wolf, even when there's even when you

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Speaker 2: go around from Mors you love your most scream broken pains,

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Speaker 2: appeeing in front of locals Lisball when they're going.

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Speaker 3: Leaving them, even when will even when you're in there alone.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he.

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Speaker 5: Is a cool, very very good morning to you, and

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Speaker 5: welcome along to the Resident Builder. On Sunday you were

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Speaker 5: with maybe Peak wolf Camp the Resident Builder, and we

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Speaker 5: are talking all things building and construction on the show

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Speaker 5: this morning, So I trust you had it might have

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Speaker 5: been a long weekend. White Tongue Day of course was Thursday.

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Speaker 5: Attendance at school I think was probably fairly light on

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Speaker 5: the friday. Not where our boy goes to school, but

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Speaker 5: other schools perhaps. And maybe you've taken advantage of some

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Speaker 5: really good weather, some settled weather that we've had, and

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Speaker 5: cracked into a project. And I'll tell you about my

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Speaker 5: be fair, I don't build as much as I used to,

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Speaker 5: so that when I do have a full on day

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Speaker 5: And I was thinking this morning as I rose gingerly

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Speaker 5: that yeah, it's the better part of getting on to

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Speaker 5: thirty eight years since I first swung a hammer in

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Speaker 5: I'm still doing it is great, I think, but also

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Speaker 5: might have had as a twenty year old. But anyway,

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Speaker 5: these things happen. Oh wait, one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 5: Let's talk about building. Let's talk about to your place.

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Speaker 5: Let's talk about the materials, that you need, the tools

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Speaker 5: that you need, the compliance issues that you might have

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Speaker 5: to go through the rules and the regulations the contractors.

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Speaker 5: I sat yesterday actually while I was having a bite

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Speaker 5: if I don't get a chance to read them either

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Speaker 5: I'll go through old articles. And there I was reading

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Speaker 5: So that obviously bought a second hand house, had it

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Speaker 5: getting a good contractor? And by compare listen to that.

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Speaker 5: He's the tyler that I work with all of the time,

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Speaker 5: the joinery people, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. So you know, getting

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Speaker 5: So that's the sheared delight of doing it for yourself.

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Speaker 5: If you'd like to talk about your project, oh, eight

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Speaker 5: but right now it's an opportunity to talk all things

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Speaker 5: be materials, it might be tools. Actually that's another little

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Speaker 5: projects underway. RIDIOH, let's get into it. Eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 5: we'll take up the first couple of text messages that

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Speaker 5: have come through morning Peak. The powder coating on the

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Speaker 5: inside tracks of the aluminum joinery is wearing off. The

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Speaker 5: eight years old. Should I be concerned? Have you seen

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Speaker 5: this before? And then they've added I find your show informative.

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Speaker 5: Thank you very much. It's very kind of you to say.

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Speaker 5: presume it's the door sliding across there, it will over time.

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Speaker 5: stop some of those creeks, especially the ones that I

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Speaker 5: He was strikingly handsome, this sold boy, and with a

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Speaker 5: like that. But anyway, we were standing there grabbing some sushi,

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Speaker 5: We got chatting for a bit. Used to be a builder.

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Speaker 5: Now he's mowing lawns, just kind of in his semi retirement,

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Speaker 1: Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder

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Speaker 1: on newstalk semb For those of.

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Speaker 5: You who are not quite sure about my reference to

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Speaker 5: And so for as long as I can remember, that's

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Speaker 5: been called a dollar mark, as in you should pay

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Speaker 5: how I always saw it. But anyway it was it

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Speaker 5: I was quite happy about that, to be fair. Oh

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Speaker 7: Oh you know it's trenchy degrees.

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Speaker 8: That's just gone sick.

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Speaker 5: Saying tell me about it. When I was tossing and

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Speaker 5: It's hard to sleep in this weather, isn't it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I sleep on the couch, So don't sleep

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Speaker 5: Which is that if we can just divert for just

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Speaker 5: introduce shading and those sorts of Anyway, that's just a

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Speaker 5: rent on my part, But that's unfortunate to hear that

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Speaker 5: in a brand new house you find that the bedrooms

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Speaker 5: what you wanted to talk about, I'm sure, but.

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Speaker 7: I only just bought this in all, Yes, I owned

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Speaker 9: So that was good.

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Speaker 7: So I didn't get the sun curtains like the you

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Speaker 7: because I'm a bent our place, the new designed ones

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Speaker 7: And though they have designed it where where I lived

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Speaker 7: all that. We've got the underground pair, we've got solar lights. Well,

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Speaker 7: ground of God, no cracks on the big wooden piles.

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Speaker 7: But I'm walking around outside the car ports and along

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Speaker 7: The cracks are long and very I could put my

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Speaker 5: This is a crack in the timber, or a crack

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Speaker 7: No the posts themselves, the wooden ones that they put

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Speaker 5: Stabilize into a retaining wall.

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Speaker 7: Well, not the retaining one this is. Those ones are

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Speaker 7: okay because we're facing down hole and they've had to

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Speaker 7: make them really stable. But it's the ones that are

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Speaker 7: but yeah, the car ports the big like square with you. Yes,

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Speaker 7: I've got huge cracks, and then you've got the piles

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: And I'm going to go down today and examine again

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Speaker 7: the house ones at the back here, because there's forty

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think in general, I kind of have a

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Speaker 5: They might, Yeah, they will get a little bit of

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Speaker 5: be a little bit unsightly structurally, it's not a concern.

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Speaker 5: If it's probably not a lot that you can really

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Speaker 5: So I think in general, I would suggest to you

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Speaker 5: there's anything any remedial work that they should be doing.

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Speaker 5: But in general, Helga, it's not unexpected and I don't

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Speaker 5: think there's any structural issues there. So good luck with that,

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Speaker 5: the overheating as well. It's probably worth something. It's probably

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Speaker 5: something that we should actually will. We've got Storm Harpham

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Speaker 5: been a fascinating discussion in terms of in the media

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Speaker 5: overheating in new houses. So maybe we can talk a

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Speaker 5: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 5: to call Murray. Thanks for you call Murray. Good morning.

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Speaker 10: I'm in a board in Badden House which I repainted

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Speaker 10: about eight years ago and paint which has got no siding.

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Speaker 10: Where When do you think I should do a repaint

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Speaker 10: of I'm just sent a bound where I should let

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Speaker 10: it go for another couple of years and then just

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Speaker 5: Yeah, a really good question, And to be fair, I

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Speaker 5: think I'm in a sort of similar situation. I think

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Speaker 5: it was about eight years ago that we did quite

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Speaker 5: moment I realized that there's areas where either the paint's

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Speaker 5: I was going to repaint it, I would just target

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Speaker 5: and then I can give the whole house a wash,

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Speaker 5: and my preparation is less and the painting is easier. Right,

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Speaker 5: you spend more time painting than you do prepping. If

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Speaker 5: that's going to increase your cost. The other important consideration is,

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Speaker 5: the opportunity for delay for decay. So again you'd balance that.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I've got no decay, It's in perfect condition and

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Speaker 10: it just probably needs a little bit of a wash

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Speaker 10: on the south side. That that's the sort of thing.

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Speaker 10: But you know, I used up about three hundred tubes

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's just it's some perfect condition. It's just like

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Speaker 10: another ten years. That's what I was sort of thinking.

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Speaker 5: I would be inclined, and I again, it's sort of

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Speaker 5: So I'm sort of starting to think I can kind

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Speaker 5: of understand why my dad spent seemingly every summer painting

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Speaker 5: you can, you can put it off, but you'll do

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Speaker 10: Yeah, one more question, what's your knowledge like on cross

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Speaker 5: Ah, starting to get a little bit more familiar with them.

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Speaker 5: And just the other day in a discussion was the

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Speaker 5: it's something like that, we can have a crack at it.

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Speaker 11: Ye.

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Speaker 10: What I've got is a cross free section my sex

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Speaker 10: But on the corner of that driveway, i own that

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Speaker 10: has over the subdivided that the concreting that corner. Right,

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Speaker 10: He writes, No, I don't want you to do it,

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Speaker 5: It I wonder whether it depends on the actual terms

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Speaker 5: quite old. And again you should seek proper legal advice

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Speaker 5: is actually on your part of the lease and is

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Speaker 5: is where I would.

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Speaker 10: Way, yeah, I think it is.

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Speaker 5: But anyway, that's yeah, you want to check the title.

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Speaker 12: Wouldn't you.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, And that was the other thing, as I was

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Speaker 10: put it in a separate title.

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Speaker 5: Yes, but.

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Speaker 10: That's about thirty to forty grand They say, wow, ye see,

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Speaker 10: But see the beauty of a cross lease, I feel

432
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Speaker 10: is that the house that is front of me the

433
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Speaker 10: nineteen seventies at nineteen sixties house never had anything done

434
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Speaker 10: to it. So it's basically anyone that's going to bolt

435
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Speaker 10: buy it, will bowl it, and they'd want to put

436
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Speaker 10: a free story house on that to get a see.

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Speaker 6: You yes, and then that would bring it up, to

438
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Speaker 6: bring it up to my level. So to my thinking

439
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Speaker 6: is now, is that if I keep the cross lease,

440
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Speaker 6: I can go no, no, no, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I've heard people talk exactly in that sense, so yes,

442
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Speaker 5: being strategic for you, there may well be an advantage

443
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Speaker 5: to keeping it as a cross lease, which is kind

444
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Speaker 5: of counter to how most people view cross leases these days.

445
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Speaker 5: And it seemed to be I remember working for a

446
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Speaker 5: couple of sort of you know, part time developers gosh,

447
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Speaker 5: back in the late eighties, early nineties, right, and it'd

448
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Speaker 5: be the sort of thing you'd roll into a street.

449
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Speaker 5: You'd buy an old bungalow on eight hundred square meters,

450
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Speaker 5: you'd cross lease the back back then it costs you

451
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Speaker 5: like two and a half grand right to cross lease,

452
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Speaker 5: create a new site and whack up a little townhouse

453
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Speaker 5: on the back that we would build, and then you'd

454
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Speaker 5: keep both of them. Whatever. But you know, the cross leases.

455
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Speaker 5: The number of times you talk about cross leases and

456
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Speaker 5: the kind of the issues that come with them, typically

457
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Speaker 5: people go, well, it'd be great if I moved my

458
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Speaker 5: cross lease to a subdivision and fee simple ou da

459
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Speaker 5: da da day. But your case and you're probably being

460
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Speaker 5: quite strategic. I really appreciate talking with you. Mary. Good

461
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Speaker 5: luck with the painting and good luck with that little

462
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Speaker 5: bit of concreting as well. All the best, Take care,

463
00:26:18,055 --> 00:26:20,775
Speaker 5: all the best, take care. Your News Talks B Open

464
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465
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Speaker 5: straight after the break with Margaret.

466
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Speaker 1: Helping you get those DIY projects done right. The resident

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Speaker 1: builder with Peta Wolfcat Call eighty eight TALKSB.

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Speaker 5: Your News Talks HEB it is what are we calling it?

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Speaker 7: All?

470
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Speaker 5: Well, thirty eight minutes, thirty nine minutes after six. Remember

471
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Speaker 5: we've got new Sport and we're the top of the hour.

472
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473
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Speaker 5: then at eight thirty we're into the garden with Red

474
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Speaker 5: Cline Pass. But right now we're talking building. Margaret A

475
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Speaker 5: very good morning.

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Speaker 4: Hey, good morning, Pete. Thank you for taking my call.

477
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Speaker 4: I really enjoy your program to every every Sunday morning.

478
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Speaker 4: So's you do. It's really interesting. But my question is

479
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Speaker 4: I've got a nineteen seventies townhouse which is two stories.

480
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Speaker 4: If you like because you drive into the garage underneath

481
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Speaker 4: and then there's an internal access staircase. But the whole

482
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Speaker 4: time that I've been here, there's this sort of lingering,

483
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Speaker 4: sort of like an earthy smell that I notice when

484
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Speaker 4: I'm walking up the internal staircase. And and you know,

485
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Speaker 4: it's obviously built on piles the house, you know, above

486
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Speaker 4: the ground, and there is access there. There's a couple

487
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Speaker 4: of when you're walking up the internal access staircase, there's

488
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Speaker 4: a couple of cupboards that you can open which give

489
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Speaker 4: access to under the house foot and what there is

490
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Speaker 4: no lining there's on the dirt you're if you go

491
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Speaker 4: into this sort of covement, there's no lining like polythene lining.

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Speaker 4: And I just wonder whether that would be the reason

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Speaker 4: why I get this earthy sort of smell. It's not

494
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Speaker 4: really really strong, but sometimes it's stronger than other times.

495
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Speaker 4: At the moment, it's not, yes, very strong, But what

496
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Speaker 4: do you think might be going on there?

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Speaker 5: Undoubtedly you'll have you know, I suppose it's a combination

498
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Speaker 5: of moisture and lack of ventilation, right, So yeah, and

499
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Speaker 5: it will that musty smell will appear in those conditions.

500
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Speaker 5: I guess in what you're describing to me. So you

501
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Speaker 5: can come in at the ground floor into the garage,

502
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Speaker 5: and then there's internal access from there upstairs, and then

503
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Speaker 5: these cupboards or these openings that you describe, when you

504
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Speaker 5: open them, you're looking into the sort of unconditioned underfloor

505
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Speaker 5: space of your house.

506
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Speaker 13: That's right, yes, right, so.

507
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Speaker 4: There for access. See your only way you can get

508
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Speaker 4: under the house, if you like.

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Speaker 5: I guess that. The problem or the challenge with that

510
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Speaker 5: is that, in effect, you've got no barrier from inside

511
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Speaker 5: to outside bar the door, and the door is going

512
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Speaker 5: to be leaky in terms of air. So you know,

513
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Speaker 5: I mean, I completely understand utilizing storage space underneath the house,

514
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Speaker 5: but you wouldn't want it in any way directly connected

515
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Speaker 5: to your internal environment. So if your staircase is part

516
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Speaker 5: of your house, which it sounds like it is, and

517
00:29:39,775 --> 00:29:42,535
Speaker 5: from that staircase or that stair well, you can get

518
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Speaker 5: into the underfloor and the only thing stopping it is

519
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Speaker 5: the door. That's that to me seems part of the problem.

520
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Speaker 5: So ah, okay, because ideally you want your subfloor space

521
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Speaker 5: to be isolated from your habitable space, and typically we'd

522
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Speaker 5: do that by having a wall. Ideally, the wall. Should

523
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Speaker 5: I mean. I went to a property actually on Friday

524
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Speaker 5: and similar sort of thing. Actually there was a downstairs flat.

525
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Speaker 5: There was a because of a sloping area. Half of

526
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Speaker 5: the house was on piles right and it was open

527
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Speaker 5: soil and da da da da da. Between the habitable

528
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Speaker 5: space and the subfloor space was a petition. It was

529
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Speaker 5: jibbed on one side, but that was it, right, So

530
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Speaker 5: there was jibboard framing, no insulation, no lining on the

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Speaker 5: other side. So between inside and outside, because that underfloor

532
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Speaker 5: is technically outside. All that's keeping in keeping the foul

533
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Speaker 5: air out, keeping the vapor out, keeping the moisture out,

534
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Speaker 5: keeping the cold out in winter. All the rest of

535
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Speaker 5: it was one lining of plasterboard. So you know, if

536
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Speaker 5: to me, I think if you wanted to look at

537
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Speaker 5: a long term fix, you'd look at going, can I

538
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Speaker 5: close off those doors and create some access for storage

539
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Speaker 5: from somewhere else that's not directly attached to my habitable space.

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Speaker 4: Because of the that's the only way that like electrician

541
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Speaker 4: like the roof is there's no it's a flat roof.

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Speaker 14: You can't.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's the only way that the plumber or

544
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Speaker 4: the electrician or anyone can get into actually fixing your

545
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Speaker 4: pipes or lay any more cabling and things. So it

546
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Speaker 4: probably just needs to have more of a Do you

547
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Speaker 4: think that the actual door to the the cavery hole

548
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Speaker 4: door needs to be made in a different material or

549
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Speaker 4: line differently or something.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look at it might be as simple

551
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Speaker 5: as getting some draft seal, you know, the single side

552
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Speaker 5: of and putting that around. Just making sure that you

553
00:31:49,295 --> 00:31:53,215
Speaker 5: don't get that air leakage around that door. Sure again, okay,

554
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Speaker 5: you know my advice would be if you could change

555
00:31:55,815 --> 00:32:00,215
Speaker 5: it so that you're you know, you don't basically you're

556
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Speaker 5: going from your habitable space to an uninhabitable space fire

557
00:32:05,415 --> 00:32:09,695
Speaker 5: door and so trying to keep out. The other thing

558
00:32:09,735 --> 00:32:13,095
Speaker 5: would be, is there much ventilation in that subfloor space.

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Speaker 4: There's those grapes, you know, those grapes you have at

560
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Speaker 4: the outside, You've got those that I think pretty much

561
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Speaker 4: that's really yep.

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Speaker 5: I think that typically there's never enough of those, you know,

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Speaker 5: like I've I was underneath the house a couple of

564
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Speaker 5: weeks ago. Typical sort of nineteen sixties construction had a

565
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Speaker 5: concrete ring foundation had a number of those grates in it.

566
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Speaker 5: But for the size of the floor, I would have

567
00:32:40,455 --> 00:32:43,455
Speaker 5: liked to have seen twice as many grills right to

568
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Speaker 5: get that airflow through there. There is a calculation in

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Speaker 5: the code for how much airflow you require. So again

570
00:32:50,975 --> 00:32:55,295
Speaker 5: and look, I've been in situations where the airflow has

571
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Speaker 5: been insufficient to thoroughly ventilate a space, and so people

572
00:32:59,655 --> 00:33:02,055
Speaker 5: have actually installed a fan in there that just runs

573
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Speaker 5: slowly all of the time and just continually has airflow.

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Speaker 5: The other thing, of course, is because you've got access

575
00:33:08,495 --> 00:33:12,415
Speaker 5: under there you can see the unconditioned soil, is to

576
00:33:12,415 --> 00:33:14,975
Speaker 5: do a vapor barrier that will make a difference as well.

577
00:33:15,015 --> 00:33:18,175
Speaker 5: So draft seal vapor barrier and possibly add some v

578
00:33:18,175 --> 00:33:19,895
Speaker 5: infilation that'll make a big difference.

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, so the vapor barrier is definitely something.

580
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Speaker 5: Definitely worth doing. Absolutely, yes, okay, nice to talk to you, Thanks,

581
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Speaker 5: take care, all the best, Bob. Your news talks they'd

582
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Speaker 5: be will talk to Gordon after the break. Will have

583
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Speaker 5: time for your calls before the news as well. So

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Speaker 5: call us now, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 1: Measure twice god was, but maybe called Pete first, your

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Speaker 1: WorkCare the resident builder news talks, there'd be.

587
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Speaker 5: Your news talks. They'd be eleven minutes away from seven Gordon,

588
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Speaker 5: good morning to you. But it doesn't work there you go,

589
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Speaker 5: gotcha Gordon, good morning, Yeah.

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Speaker 15: Good morning, Peter. Always enjoy your show.

591
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Speaker 12: Thank you many question.

592
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Speaker 15: I remember saying once that you'd better to stay in

593
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Speaker 15: your timber rather than just leaving it. And is that

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Speaker 15: time where I've got to do all my fences. Yes,

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Speaker 15: so it's just be a timber. I was wanting to know,

596
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Speaker 15: am I better within a critic or a not Bastain.

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Speaker 5: Interestingly enough? And this is where you know, I suppose

598
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Speaker 5: we all have our opinions. I was chatting away with

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Speaker 5: actually one of the j from Razine, you know, who's

600
00:34:32,895 --> 00:34:36,295
Speaker 5: often on the show, and we were talking about exactly this,

601
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Speaker 5: and and he was like, well, actually, if it's be

602
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Speaker 5: a timber, I would probably paint it as in waking

603
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Speaker 5: coata primer and top coat. And I was thinking, surely

604
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Speaker 5: that's just going to make more work. I think what

605
00:34:50,975 --> 00:34:55,575
Speaker 5: it is is the paint will probably last longer before

606
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Speaker 5: you need to repaint it. But at the same time,

607
00:35:00,495 --> 00:35:04,135
Speaker 5: you know, because the stain will absorb and you know,

608
00:35:04,335 --> 00:35:07,895
Speaker 5: diminish over time. Said, so what you might find is

609
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Speaker 5: that you'll get seven eight years out of a paint surface,

610
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Speaker 5: and you might get three or four years out of

611
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Speaker 5: a stain surface.

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Speaker 16: The advantments of the stain as you know, the grain

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Speaker 16: and the timber exactly situated more. Yeah, a paint can

614
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Speaker 16: look like a bit of a flat surface, whereas a stain.

615
00:35:29,135 --> 00:35:31,295
Speaker 16: Those things has got quite a nice brain in it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Look, and I suppose the other advantage maybe to

617
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Speaker 5: staining is you could possibly get one of those little

618
00:35:38,935 --> 00:35:43,735
Speaker 5: airless sprayers and spray, yeah, you know, and you can

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Speaker 5: cover a lot of area, particularly if you've got someone

620
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Speaker 5: who can hold a drop sheet up and move along

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Speaker 5: with your So, I just in.

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Speaker 15: Terms of the oil or the well, have you heard

623
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Speaker 15: much about the you know, these these whether they I

624
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Speaker 15: haven't used the acrylic stains typically if I've done staining,

625
00:36:04,455 --> 00:36:05,575
Speaker 15: it's been an oil based one.

626
00:36:05,575 --> 00:36:10,095
Speaker 5: But you know, crylics are increasingly able to do more

627
00:36:10,135 --> 00:36:13,175
Speaker 5: and more, you know what I mean in terms of Yeah, yeah,

628
00:36:14,255 --> 00:36:18,855
Speaker 5: you know water born enamels, right, the technology behind them

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00:36:18,935 --> 00:36:19,775
Speaker 5: is pretty impressive.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, a lot better least. And the second question has

631
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Speaker 15: to do with my son's drive where it's cobbles. Someone's

632
00:36:28,135 --> 00:36:31,975
Speaker 15: obviously water blasted the top over years and it's they're

633
00:36:32,015 --> 00:36:36,655
Speaker 15: all sort of puttered the cobbles. So yeah, just wondering

634
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Speaker 15: what as options are there. I even thought of reversing them,

635
00:36:40,775 --> 00:36:44,415
Speaker 15: as that.

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Speaker 5: Just depends on exactly what type of cobble they are.

637
00:36:47,175 --> 00:36:50,695
Speaker 5: So some Holland pavers, for example, have got a bevil

638
00:36:50,735 --> 00:36:52,895
Speaker 5: on the top edge and on the underside they've actually

639
00:36:52,895 --> 00:36:55,855
Speaker 5: got like a little rib that keeps them elevated. So

640
00:36:55,935 --> 00:36:59,255
Speaker 5: if you flip them over, that wouldn't be good. However, yeah,

641
00:36:59,295 --> 00:37:02,175
Speaker 5: standard you know, your typical sort of two thirty one

642
00:37:02,295 --> 00:37:06,495
Speaker 5: eighty cobble that will have the same face on both side.

643
00:37:06,575 --> 00:37:09,815
Speaker 5: So yes, it makes a lot of sense. You could

644
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Speaker 5: just literally do that, flip the whole lot over. You

645
00:37:13,615 --> 00:37:16,015
Speaker 5: might find where there's some cuts and things like that

646
00:37:16,015 --> 00:37:20,615
Speaker 5: it won't work, But in terms of resurfacing it, there's

647
00:37:20,655 --> 00:37:22,815
Speaker 5: probably not a practical solution to that.

648
00:37:26,815 --> 00:37:29,055
Speaker 16: Saving that concrete.

649
00:37:29,295 --> 00:37:30,895
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was just going to say, there's a bit

650
00:37:30,935 --> 00:37:33,495
Speaker 5: of a teaser. There's a little project that I'm going

651
00:37:33,535 --> 00:37:36,215
Speaker 5: to be working on shortly, and it's using a new

652
00:37:36,295 --> 00:37:42,175
Speaker 5: product from Razine Construction Systems, which is a semontitious type

653
00:37:42,215 --> 00:37:44,495
Speaker 5: render that you can apply, but you can add color

654
00:37:44,535 --> 00:37:46,895
Speaker 5: to it. So actually I'm going to be doing a

655
00:37:46,935 --> 00:37:48,975
Speaker 5: little project, you know how we get on. It's it's

656
00:37:48,975 --> 00:37:54,215
Speaker 5: a bit secret squirrel right now. But that could be concrete, yeah,

657
00:37:54,255 --> 00:37:58,455
Speaker 5: and it might not be suitable for exteriors, but like

658
00:37:58,535 --> 00:38:00,375
Speaker 5: I'm going to use it on an old garden table,

659
00:38:00,415 --> 00:38:02,735
Speaker 5: and i might use it on a pitted concrete floor.

660
00:38:02,775 --> 00:38:05,935
Speaker 5: And I've seen it laid out in another place that

661
00:38:06,055 --> 00:38:09,575
Speaker 5: could quite interesting. All the best with that, you think

662
00:38:10,735 --> 00:38:14,535
Speaker 5: this eight hundred eighty the number to call Dave. Good

663
00:38:14,615 --> 00:38:15,335
Speaker 5: morning to you.

664
00:38:16,415 --> 00:38:20,295
Speaker 13: Yeah, Hi, Pete, thanks for taking my call. I've got

665
00:38:20,295 --> 00:38:22,975
Speaker 13: an old house down here in tokr Oh, one of

666
00:38:23,015 --> 00:38:27,335
Speaker 13: the old cottages that they built. Yep, the little precangular things,

667
00:38:27,735 --> 00:38:32,015
Speaker 13: the foundations that have got a subpile that's like concrete

668
00:38:32,255 --> 00:38:36,575
Speaker 13: comes up about two hundred above the ground. Then there's

669
00:38:36,695 --> 00:38:41,935
Speaker 13: a wooden pile one hundred year one hundred by seventy five, yes,

670
00:38:42,055 --> 00:38:44,655
Speaker 13: which goes from the concrete up to the bottom plate.

671
00:38:44,975 --> 00:38:45,255
Speaker 14: Yep.

672
00:38:46,535 --> 00:38:48,815
Speaker 13: Now a few of them are rotten and I want

673
00:38:48,815 --> 00:38:52,255
Speaker 13: to replace them. Yes now I'm looking at them. And

674
00:38:52,615 --> 00:38:55,615
Speaker 13: back in the day they've used old nine inch nails

675
00:38:55,655 --> 00:38:59,535
Speaker 13: to drive through the wooden pile into the concrete.

676
00:38:59,975 --> 00:39:06,255
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yeah, yeah.

677
00:39:06,415 --> 00:39:10,295
Speaker 13: And the same up into the bottom plate. What should

678
00:39:10,335 --> 00:39:14,735
Speaker 13: I use to attach the new wooden foundation to the concrete?

679
00:39:15,935 --> 00:39:20,375
Speaker 5: Great question. Actually, I was underneath the house on Friday

680
00:39:20,735 --> 00:39:22,735
Speaker 5: looking at exactly the same thing, and I mean, you know,

681
00:39:22,775 --> 00:39:25,935
Speaker 5: if you if you're looking at anything from the nineteen

682
00:39:26,015 --> 00:39:30,135
Speaker 5: forties to the nineteen seventies, that's basically what you're looking at.

683
00:39:30,215 --> 00:39:33,815
Speaker 5: Concrete pile set into the ground and then a timber

684
00:39:34,055 --> 00:39:39,255
Speaker 5: jackstud or pile on top of it. I would probably

685
00:39:39,415 --> 00:39:42,415
Speaker 5: look at using like a six k in connector like

686
00:39:42,455 --> 00:39:48,655
Speaker 5: a strap, and then into the block use a masonry

687
00:39:48,895 --> 00:39:53,015
Speaker 5: screw so it's it's not like a diner bolt, and

688
00:39:53,735 --> 00:39:57,575
Speaker 5: you could actually use something that wasn't particularly heavy, like

689
00:39:57,615 --> 00:39:59,415
Speaker 5: in terms of like a six mil or an eight

690
00:39:59,495 --> 00:40:06,375
Speaker 5: mil bolt maybe forty or sixty milimeters long, And that

691
00:40:06,415 --> 00:40:09,335
Speaker 5: way you can just drill in a pilot hole into

692
00:40:09,415 --> 00:40:12,415
Speaker 5: either side of that concrete block and you'd want, you know,

693
00:40:12,455 --> 00:40:15,295
Speaker 5: if it's sitting up two hundred miles out of the soil,

694
00:40:15,575 --> 00:40:18,055
Speaker 5: then I'd go down at least one hundred mil and

695
00:40:18,135 --> 00:40:21,455
Speaker 5: have my strap running from there. Just you know, obviously

696
00:40:21,455 --> 00:40:24,735
Speaker 5: with masonry, you don't want to split a part of

697
00:40:24,735 --> 00:40:28,135
Speaker 5: it off. So I'd aim to be dead center and

698
00:40:28,255 --> 00:40:31,975
Speaker 5: down a reasonable way so you're not fracturing the edge

699
00:40:31,975 --> 00:40:35,735
Speaker 5: of the concrete block, and then pop that in and

700
00:40:35,775 --> 00:40:38,055
Speaker 5: then have the strap running up the side of the

701
00:40:38,095 --> 00:40:41,215
Speaker 5: tenna pile, and then you can use some text screws

702
00:40:41,375 --> 00:40:44,855
Speaker 5: into there and what you'll find, because obviously the tenner

703
00:40:44,935 --> 00:40:47,455
Speaker 5: pile is wider than the pile on top, the timber

704
00:40:47,495 --> 00:40:50,135
Speaker 5: pile on top is you actually get a little bit

705
00:40:50,135 --> 00:40:52,335
Speaker 5: of tension if you screw the top of it first

706
00:40:52,375 --> 00:40:55,575
Speaker 5: and then as you come down it literally binds, you know,

707
00:40:55,615 --> 00:40:59,695
Speaker 5: it's dumping it down. Yeah, so that's what I.

708
00:41:01,215 --> 00:41:03,975
Speaker 13: So screw into the wooden piling first and then.

709
00:41:04,295 --> 00:41:06,895
Speaker 5: The concrete one first, then screw the top of the pile.

710
00:41:07,015 --> 00:41:08,935
Speaker 5: I've got to go for news, but that'll that'll sort

711
00:41:08,975 --> 00:41:11,095
Speaker 5: it out. That'll be a great solution. All the very

712
00:41:11,175 --> 00:41:13,455
Speaker 5: best to you. Right, we've got new sport and we're

713
00:41:13,455 --> 00:41:15,815
Speaker 5: the top of the hour at seven. Back straight after the.

714
00:41:15,775 --> 00:41:19,295
Speaker 1: News, dowing of the house, sorting the garden, asked Pete

715
00:41:19,295 --> 00:41:22,615
Speaker 1: for a hand the resident builder with Peter Wolfcap Call

716
00:41:22,895 --> 00:41:25,255
Speaker 1: eighty eight News togs V.

717
00:41:25,775 --> 00:41:27,975
Speaker 5: Well, very good morning, welcome back to the program. Oh

718
00:41:28,015 --> 00:41:30,495
Speaker 5: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

719
00:41:30,575 --> 00:41:33,575
Speaker 5: It is six and a half minutes after seven. We'll

720
00:41:33,575 --> 00:41:36,015
Speaker 5: take your calls right through this hour into the next

721
00:41:36,055 --> 00:41:38,375
Speaker 5: hour eight point thirty. We'll jump into the garden with

722
00:41:38,455 --> 00:41:41,495
Speaker 5: Red Kline pass. Of course, we'll touch base with Mike

723
00:41:41,535 --> 00:41:45,415
Speaker 5: Olds from Razine Construction at around seven forty five this morning.

724
00:41:46,095 --> 00:41:50,015
Speaker 5: Just a quick I realized they might have presented a

725
00:41:50,055 --> 00:41:53,335
Speaker 5: slightly confusing picture when we were talking with Dave before. So,

726
00:41:53,455 --> 00:41:57,375
Speaker 5: Dave's got the classic concrete pile with a timber pile

727
00:41:57,415 --> 00:41:59,215
Speaker 5: sitting on top of it that goes up to the

728
00:41:59,295 --> 00:42:02,335
Speaker 5: underside of the bearer, and he wants to replace a

729
00:42:02,335 --> 00:42:06,895
Speaker 5: couple of the timber piles or timber jackstuds, and wanted

730
00:42:06,935 --> 00:42:09,655
Speaker 5: to know how you fix them down. My suggestion was

731
00:42:09,695 --> 00:42:12,495
Speaker 5: to use a bit of call six K and connector,

732
00:42:12,775 --> 00:42:16,135
Speaker 5: which is like a galve or stainless steel strip with

733
00:42:16,255 --> 00:42:19,615
Speaker 5: holes in it. You could use some concrete screws, which

734
00:42:19,615 --> 00:42:22,855
Speaker 5: are really effective to go into the blockwork. And then

735
00:42:22,895 --> 00:42:25,455
Speaker 5: the block is slightly wider if you imagine, it's slightly

736
00:42:25,495 --> 00:42:28,535
Speaker 5: wider than the pile above. So when you bend those

737
00:42:29,375 --> 00:42:32,855
Speaker 5: six K and connectors, those straps across you'll end up

738
00:42:32,855 --> 00:42:35,695
Speaker 5: with effectively like a little triangle, right, so you don't

739
00:42:36,015 --> 00:42:38,455
Speaker 5: bend it at ninety degrees and then ninety degrees again

740
00:42:38,495 --> 00:42:41,655
Speaker 5: and up. If you fix the top of the strap

741
00:42:42,255 --> 00:42:46,175
Speaker 5: as you come down and you screw the strap into

742
00:42:46,255 --> 00:42:50,215
Speaker 5: the timber pile, you're tensioning that strap and that helps

743
00:42:50,295 --> 00:42:52,895
Speaker 5: bind it down. You don't want to be too excessive

744
00:42:52,895 --> 00:42:55,415
Speaker 5: about it. That's what I found a useful little track

745
00:42:55,535 --> 00:42:57,695
Speaker 5: is that you can use the tension of the screw

746
00:42:58,255 --> 00:43:01,055
Speaker 5: or the binding of the screw to tension that little

747
00:43:01,095 --> 00:43:03,855
Speaker 5: strap up. Funny that you mentioned it, because I was

748
00:43:04,255 --> 00:43:07,135
Speaker 5: scrambling around underneath the house on fret looking at those,

749
00:43:07,215 --> 00:43:09,815
Speaker 5: going gee, I wonder how many houses. It's got to

750
00:43:09,815 --> 00:43:13,375
Speaker 5: be tens of thousands of New Zealand houses are literally

751
00:43:13,415 --> 00:43:18,615
Speaker 5: sitting on exactly that foundation system concrete block into the ground.

752
00:43:18,975 --> 00:43:21,695
Speaker 5: Often they're just in the ground, right, they don't even

753
00:43:21,735 --> 00:43:24,895
Speaker 5: have concrete around the concrete, let's say. And then on

754
00:43:24,975 --> 00:43:27,215
Speaker 5: top of it will be a good old fashioned bit

755
00:43:27,255 --> 00:43:30,175
Speaker 5: of four to three probably a bit of remove, might

756
00:43:30,215 --> 00:43:33,615
Speaker 5: have a little piece of DPC that's underneath there. And yes,

757
00:43:33,655 --> 00:43:36,335
Speaker 5: back in the day, probably when the concrete was green

758
00:43:36,495 --> 00:43:39,215
Speaker 5: or the blocks were not particularly strong. You just drive

759
00:43:39,255 --> 00:43:42,255
Speaker 5: the nail into it. Sometimes you see like a bit

760
00:43:42,295 --> 00:43:44,735
Speaker 5: of number literally a bit of number eight fencing wire

761
00:43:44,735 --> 00:43:46,855
Speaker 5: that gets passed through. Some of them have a hole

762
00:43:46,935 --> 00:43:49,175
Speaker 5: in them. The concrete blocks. The pass a bit of

763
00:43:49,255 --> 00:43:51,815
Speaker 5: number eight wire through it, bend it up. Use a

764
00:43:51,855 --> 00:44:00,175
Speaker 5: couple of those horseshoe nails, and when you think of it,

765
00:44:00,175 --> 00:44:02,455
Speaker 5: it all sounds ropey, but hey, most of our houses

766
00:44:02,495 --> 00:44:05,215
Speaker 5: are sitting on them. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

767
00:44:05,255 --> 00:44:07,655
Speaker 5: the number cork quick text as well over son in

768
00:44:07,695 --> 00:44:10,295
Speaker 5: law that has weather side in terior on their house,

769
00:44:10,335 --> 00:44:13,175
Speaker 5: what's the best sealer to use prior to painting pat

770
00:44:13,975 --> 00:44:16,335
Speaker 5: that's bad news like that? If it is weather side,

771
00:44:17,455 --> 00:44:21,455
Speaker 5: it's basically it was a composite product brought out actually

772
00:44:21,495 --> 00:44:25,695
Speaker 5: by Cardholt Harvey probably in the nineteen seventy sometime. It

773
00:44:25,895 --> 00:44:32,015
Speaker 5: failed extensively, and for a period of time there was

774
00:44:32,215 --> 00:44:36,055
Speaker 5: like a compensation scheme. I think the time for that

775
00:44:36,135 --> 00:44:38,815
Speaker 5: has lapsed. If it is weather side, you can paint it,

776
00:44:38,895 --> 00:44:41,335
Speaker 5: but it's still going to fail, So you're probably looking

777
00:44:41,375 --> 00:44:44,655
Speaker 5: at a reclap to be blunt. Unfortunately, by eight hundred

778
00:44:44,655 --> 00:44:47,255
Speaker 5: and eighty ten eighty the number to call get a Keith,

779
00:44:47,295 --> 00:44:48,175
Speaker 5: how are you this morning?

780
00:44:49,175 --> 00:44:56,295
Speaker 8: Morning? We have a home well Holloway Hand that was

781
00:44:56,375 --> 00:45:01,255
Speaker 8: relocated to a land block Randall, which is pretty much

782
00:45:01,295 --> 00:45:07,575
Speaker 8: complete now and it's on piles and the distance from

783
00:45:07,695 --> 00:45:11,775
Speaker 8: house to ground ranges from about six fifty to pretty

784
00:45:11,855 --> 00:45:14,935
Speaker 8: much a meter, so there's lot the room under there,

785
00:45:15,135 --> 00:45:20,455
Speaker 8: and there's this slight slope underneath the house. We haven't

786
00:45:20,535 --> 00:45:27,535
Speaker 8: yet addressed the moisture barrier issue, mainly because council had

787
00:45:27,535 --> 00:45:32,775
Speaker 8: a broken stormwater pipe which was discharging onto our land

788
00:45:32,775 --> 00:45:35,535
Speaker 8: and running under the house and so that became a

789
00:45:35,575 --> 00:45:39,615
Speaker 8: problem and they've now actually dealt with it fixed it.

790
00:45:40,295 --> 00:45:43,695
Speaker 15: Not one hundred confident I want to just rely on.

791
00:45:44,215 --> 00:45:45,095
Speaker 13: That, but.

792
00:45:47,095 --> 00:45:50,815
Speaker 8: Seeking to look at the building coat because of co compliance,

793
00:45:51,535 --> 00:45:55,015
Speaker 8: it appears to me that if you can demonstrate that

794
00:45:55,015 --> 00:45:57,975
Speaker 8: there's adequate ventilation, which there is on our side because

795
00:45:57,975 --> 00:46:01,495
Speaker 8: it's just the wind just whistles through the Valis elevators,

796
00:46:03,495 --> 00:46:09,215
Speaker 8: then that may not be required. So I've got a

797
00:46:09,255 --> 00:46:16,215
Speaker 8: couple of questions. There's a moisture barrier absolutely required under

798
00:46:16,255 --> 00:46:21,175
Speaker 8: the code, and if it is, can it be attached

799
00:46:21,175 --> 00:46:23,815
Speaker 8: to the underneath of the house rather than sit on

800
00:46:23,855 --> 00:46:27,175
Speaker 8: the ground, because I think sitting on the ground is

801
00:46:27,215 --> 00:46:30,135
Speaker 8: not going to be particularly satisfactory, right, So that's kind

802
00:46:30,135 --> 00:46:31,535
Speaker 8: of a keep stage question.

803
00:46:31,815 --> 00:46:33,175
Speaker 13: Yeah, if you can help.

804
00:46:33,015 --> 00:46:38,895
Speaker 5: Me with that, unless there's been a change in the code,

805
00:46:38,935 --> 00:46:42,735
Speaker 5: I mean, ultimately it'll come down to what's on your

806
00:46:42,735 --> 00:46:46,935
Speaker 5: building consent, right, And if there's no mention of vapor barrier,

807
00:46:46,975 --> 00:46:49,015
Speaker 5: and I'd be to be fair, i'd be very surprised

808
00:46:49,055 --> 00:46:52,175
Speaker 5: if there was, then obviously you don't need to do it.

809
00:46:52,175 --> 00:46:55,135
Speaker 5: You just need to do what's on the consent. So

810
00:46:55,175 --> 00:46:58,015
Speaker 5: that that's kind of the beginning and end of the argument,

811
00:46:58,295 --> 00:47:02,015
Speaker 5: I think, because we talk so much about about vapor barrier,

812
00:47:03,055 --> 00:47:06,375
Speaker 5: and like I believe it's really useful, right, Like, the

813
00:47:06,375 --> 00:47:11,295
Speaker 5: the science is firm around the benefits of having vapor

814
00:47:11,335 --> 00:47:15,135
Speaker 5: barrier over the top of the soil, over the top

815
00:47:15,175 --> 00:47:22,695
Speaker 5: of the ground underneath any enclosed subfloor space. So but

816
00:47:23,255 --> 00:47:25,175
Speaker 5: and the reason we're talking about it so much is

817
00:47:25,215 --> 00:47:29,135
Speaker 5: because it relates to healthy home standards. So any mental

818
00:47:29,135 --> 00:47:34,095
Speaker 5: property in New Zealand now has to comply with healthy

819
00:47:34,135 --> 00:47:37,095
Speaker 5: home standards and part of the healthy home standard is

820
00:47:37,135 --> 00:47:40,895
Speaker 5: to install the vapor barrier. But it's it's actually I

821
00:47:40,935 --> 00:47:43,535
Speaker 5: don't think it's actually in the Building Code as such

822
00:47:43,655 --> 00:47:47,335
Speaker 5: as a requirement for new builds or renovations.

823
00:47:48,415 --> 00:47:51,495
Speaker 8: Okay, interesting, Yeah.

824
00:47:50,775 --> 00:47:53,175
Speaker 5: But this is not to be fair, This is not

825
00:47:54,135 --> 00:47:59,335
Speaker 5: there's a requirement for extraction in the Healthy Home standard,

826
00:47:59,375 --> 00:48:03,175
Speaker 5: which is more than the requirement in the Building Code.

827
00:48:03,575 --> 00:48:08,095
Speaker 5: In the Building Code, so you can satisfy the requirement

828
00:48:08,135 --> 00:48:10,975
Speaker 5: of the Building Code by having an opening window that

829
00:48:11,095 --> 00:48:15,655
Speaker 5: will technically satisfy the Council inspector at final inspection, but

830
00:48:15,815 --> 00:48:21,375
Speaker 5: it would fail on a healthy home standard. So healthy

831
00:48:21,375 --> 00:48:23,335
Speaker 5: Homes is more than the Building Code, which isn't a

832
00:48:23,375 --> 00:48:27,135
Speaker 5: bad thing. So yeah, and I think too, like if

833
00:48:27,255 --> 00:48:29,695
Speaker 5: in your situation, even if you were to do let's

834
00:48:29,735 --> 00:48:31,535
Speaker 5: say you wanted to do you wanted to close in

835
00:48:31,575 --> 00:48:35,175
Speaker 5: the subfloor space, and you had maybe some horizontal battens

836
00:48:35,255 --> 00:48:40,255
Speaker 5: or some vertical battens around it. Right, if let's say

837
00:48:40,335 --> 00:48:44,335
Speaker 5: there was twenty five percent that was open, So if

838
00:48:44,375 --> 00:48:46,695
Speaker 5: you had one hundred mil board, then a twenty five

839
00:48:46,735 --> 00:48:49,095
Speaker 5: mil gap, and then another one hundred milli board, you

840
00:48:49,135 --> 00:48:54,815
Speaker 5: would probably have sufficient airflow there to allow ventilation that

841
00:48:54,855 --> 00:48:59,495
Speaker 5: will control the moisture in that environment. But you know,

842
00:48:59,895 --> 00:49:02,095
Speaker 5: I was underneath the house the other day, as I mentioned,

843
00:49:02,175 --> 00:49:07,815
Speaker 5: a concrete ring foundation on all four sides with a

844
00:49:07,855 --> 00:49:10,735
Speaker 5: couple of little vents in it, there's very little air

845
00:49:10,815 --> 00:49:13,655
Speaker 5: flow in there, So putting a vapor barrier there on

846
00:49:13,695 --> 00:49:16,375
Speaker 5: the ground, that's the other thing it's about. Putting it

847
00:49:16,415 --> 00:49:19,895
Speaker 5: on the ground. You're wanting to trap the moisture in

848
00:49:19,975 --> 00:49:22,975
Speaker 5: the ground rather than have it circulating in the subfloor space.

849
00:49:23,015 --> 00:49:27,295
Speaker 5: So there might be some advantages to having a type

850
00:49:27,335 --> 00:49:30,775
Speaker 5: of vapor diffuse barrier on the underside of the floor joists,

851
00:49:31,015 --> 00:49:33,495
Speaker 5: but it's doing a different job to the vapor barrier

852
00:49:33,495 --> 00:49:33,935
Speaker 5: on the ground.

853
00:49:35,055 --> 00:49:39,095
Speaker 8: So our situation is we haven't yet put any horizontal

854
00:49:39,135 --> 00:49:43,375
Speaker 8: batons on the pile, so we've got a completely open

855
00:49:43,575 --> 00:49:46,095
Speaker 8: yep subftable and it's.

856
00:49:45,975 --> 00:49:46,855
Speaker 13: As dry as a baron.

857
00:49:46,935 --> 00:49:53,415
Speaker 8: I well, I would like it to say zero more sure,

858
00:49:53,455 --> 00:49:56,335
Speaker 8: there might be point something over one percent. I don't know,

859
00:49:56,375 --> 00:49:59,855
Speaker 8: but just the wind comes through and it's just you know,

860
00:49:59,975 --> 00:50:04,855
Speaker 8: any cans of moisture build ups zero. So I want

861
00:50:04,855 --> 00:50:05,655
Speaker 8: to have that discussion.

862
00:50:05,775 --> 00:50:06,815
Speaker 13: I want to be prepared to.

863
00:50:06,735 --> 00:50:09,615
Speaker 8: Have a discussion with the building inspectors when the time comes.

864
00:50:09,695 --> 00:50:12,135
Speaker 5: Look, I think ultimately go back and have a look

865
00:50:12,175 --> 00:50:16,335
Speaker 5: at your building consent, and I would be incredibly surprised

866
00:50:16,335 --> 00:50:19,495
Speaker 5: if on your building consent it specified the installation of

867
00:50:19,575 --> 00:50:22,015
Speaker 5: vapor barrier. If it does, then you'll need to do it.

868
00:50:22,055 --> 00:50:24,295
Speaker 5: If it doesn't, then you don't need to do it.

869
00:50:24,335 --> 00:50:29,135
Speaker 5: And also we're inspectors sometimes, you know, I get that

870
00:50:29,215 --> 00:50:32,215
Speaker 5: they might pack up something that that processing has missed.

871
00:50:32,375 --> 00:50:34,735
Speaker 5: But if the inspector packs it up and goes, oh

872
00:50:34,815 --> 00:50:36,815
Speaker 5: I think you should, you go, well, it's not on

873
00:50:36,855 --> 00:50:38,615
Speaker 5: the consent, therefore I'm not going to do it.

874
00:50:39,815 --> 00:50:42,535
Speaker 8: Yeah, fair enough, that's a good point. Yeah, the plan

875
00:50:42,775 --> 00:50:46,695
Speaker 8: show horizontal batons being in stalled. Oh yep, we just

876
00:50:46,775 --> 00:50:50,175
Speaker 8: haven't got to that point yet. And I don't recollect

877
00:50:50,175 --> 00:50:52,295
Speaker 8: there being any mention, but I will go back to

878
00:50:52,335 --> 00:50:55,335
Speaker 8: the paperwork and well, just.

879
00:50:55,295 --> 00:50:58,175
Speaker 5: Have a look a cross section. So there'll be a

880
00:50:58,175 --> 00:51:01,695
Speaker 5: cross section showing piles embracing. You know, because on the

881
00:51:02,295 --> 00:51:05,455
Speaker 5: because it's a relocatable house, they would have specified the

882
00:51:05,615 --> 00:51:08,615
Speaker 5: location of the piles, the depth of embedment, the difference

883
00:51:08,655 --> 00:51:11,815
Speaker 5: between a regular pile and an anchor pile, the type

884
00:51:11,815 --> 00:51:14,415
Speaker 5: of bolt that you can use for your angle bracing.

885
00:51:14,455 --> 00:51:16,455
Speaker 5: All of that will all be in your building consent,

886
00:51:16,975 --> 00:51:19,575
Speaker 5: and probably on that same page there. If there is

887
00:51:19,615 --> 00:51:21,575
Speaker 5: going to be something about vapor barrier, should be on

888
00:51:21,615 --> 00:51:22,735
Speaker 5: that page of the drawings.

889
00:51:23,415 --> 00:51:26,735
Speaker 13: Yeah, all right, it's good advice. Good luck, Thank you very.

890
00:51:26,695 --> 00:51:30,375
Speaker 5: Much, Pasure all the very best, Take care, Bobo. Oh

891
00:51:30,415 --> 00:51:33,215
Speaker 5: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

892
00:51:33,335 --> 00:51:36,415
Speaker 5: We're talking all things building and construction. Else was I

893
00:51:36,455 --> 00:51:39,655
Speaker 5: going to mention, oh, just quickly before we talk to Allen.

894
00:51:42,415 --> 00:51:44,975
Speaker 5: Every now and then I do go to hardware stores

895
00:51:45,015 --> 00:51:47,015
Speaker 5: and that sort of thing, and I mooch along the

896
00:51:47,015 --> 00:51:50,055
Speaker 5: toll section and I go, ah, there's nothing I need.

897
00:51:51,335 --> 00:51:53,815
Speaker 5: That was not the case the other day. So I'd

898
00:51:53,855 --> 00:51:57,495
Speaker 5: seen something online about it's a little Ryobi tool and

899
00:51:57,535 --> 00:52:00,015
Speaker 5: I've got a bit of Ryobi gear, and it was

900
00:52:00,895 --> 00:52:04,935
Speaker 5: what they call a tool station, which is essentially, you

901
00:52:04,975 --> 00:52:08,575
Speaker 5: know how there's the little engraving tools and grinding tools

902
00:52:08,615 --> 00:52:11,535
Speaker 5: and that sort of thing. This one's attached to a

903
00:52:11,695 --> 00:52:15,655
Speaker 5: cable or a wand that goes back to the unit

904
00:52:15,975 --> 00:52:18,175
Speaker 5: and then I can use the batteries that I've already

905
00:52:18,175 --> 00:52:20,455
Speaker 5: got to power it. So you just buy the skin

906
00:52:20,975 --> 00:52:25,015
Speaker 5: and it had as part of the basic kit, you know,

907
00:52:25,095 --> 00:52:30,295
Speaker 5: some grinding bits, some cutting bits, some polishing bits and engraving,

908
00:52:30,375 --> 00:52:33,695
Speaker 5: but little wire brushes that you can use to clean

909
00:52:33,775 --> 00:52:36,935
Speaker 5: up smaller areas that sort of thing. Anyway, I went

910
00:52:36,975 --> 00:52:38,735
Speaker 5: and bought one of these little tool stations. Now that

911
00:52:38,815 --> 00:52:42,175
Speaker 5: I got at home, unpacked it, and now I've gone

912
00:52:42,215 --> 00:52:45,335
Speaker 5: through all of my secateurs and loppers and that sort

913
00:52:45,335 --> 00:52:48,015
Speaker 5: of thing, and I'm sharpening up the blades. And I've

914
00:52:48,055 --> 00:52:50,855
Speaker 5: always sharpened them using a file, and there's nothing wrong

915
00:52:50,895 --> 00:52:53,895
Speaker 5: with that, but it strikes me as a hell of

916
00:52:53,895 --> 00:52:56,535
Speaker 5: a lot more fun and a lot faster just using

917
00:52:56,575 --> 00:53:01,015
Speaker 5: this little tool station tool and rotary tool just to

918
00:53:01,055 --> 00:53:05,415
Speaker 5: clean them all up. That was actually a deeply satisfying

919
00:53:05,455 --> 00:53:07,415
Speaker 5: couple of hours, or not even a couple of hours,

920
00:53:07,415 --> 00:53:11,535
Speaker 5: maybe half an hour or so, just sharpening secreateurs and

921
00:53:11,655 --> 00:53:14,895
Speaker 5: loppers and so on. Actually, once I'd done it, I

922
00:53:14,935 --> 00:53:16,495
Speaker 5: was so keen. I went out into the garden for

923
00:53:16,495 --> 00:53:18,415
Speaker 5: a little bit and started lopping off little bits and

924
00:53:18,415 --> 00:53:20,775
Speaker 5: pieces here, and they're just because it was so nice

925
00:53:20,815 --> 00:53:23,575
Speaker 5: to use a set of lappers that I just recently

926
00:53:23,615 --> 00:53:26,535
Speaker 5: sharpened using that little like I say, that little Rhobi tool,

927
00:53:26,695 --> 00:53:29,375
Speaker 5: which was compact and nifty and came with all a

928
00:53:29,415 --> 00:53:31,815
Speaker 5: little bit. So happy days, oh eight hundred and eighty

929
00:53:31,855 --> 00:53:33,575
Speaker 5: ten eighty the number to call Ellen talk to me

930
00:53:33,575 --> 00:53:34,175
Speaker 5: about decking.

931
00:53:35,455 --> 00:53:38,775
Speaker 17: Yeah, good morning, Pete. The first thing is that I

932
00:53:38,895 --> 00:53:41,575
Speaker 17: heard you talk about a horseshoe nail as I call

933
00:53:41,695 --> 00:53:42,375
Speaker 17: him a stable.

934
00:53:42,815 --> 00:53:45,335
Speaker 5: Yes, sorry, that's the word that I was looking for.

935
00:53:46,215 --> 00:53:48,655
Speaker 17: I thought you'd last it.

936
00:53:48,655 --> 00:53:50,375
Speaker 5: It happens from time to time.

937
00:53:50,615 --> 00:53:54,175
Speaker 17: I cover amentaria verbs. I've used a lot of those things.

938
00:53:54,255 --> 00:53:56,775
Speaker 5: I think I've still got a packet of them sitting

939
00:53:56,775 --> 00:53:59,655
Speaker 5: in a box at home. I mean, you use them

940
00:53:59,735 --> 00:54:02,775
Speaker 5: rarely these days. Certainly if you're fencing you'd use them

941
00:54:02,815 --> 00:54:05,375
Speaker 5: all the time. But in terms of you know, residential,

942
00:54:07,375 --> 00:54:10,455
Speaker 5: I mean we stopped using bits of number eight wire

943
00:54:10,575 --> 00:54:12,455
Speaker 5: to lash things down years ago.

944
00:54:13,615 --> 00:54:16,935
Speaker 17: Well the hand, if you want to things on, you

945
00:54:17,095 --> 00:54:19,215
Speaker 17: just give it a couple of bangs and the visa

946
00:54:19,295 --> 00:54:22,495
Speaker 17: timber and you like on it.

947
00:54:22,535 --> 00:54:26,815
Speaker 18: But anyway, back to the deck. Yes, we've got a

948
00:54:28,655 --> 00:54:34,655
Speaker 18: pine pine deck and it's been put upside down for

949
00:54:34,735 --> 00:54:36,335
Speaker 18: a start. The grooves are on the top.

950
00:54:36,815 --> 00:54:40,735
Speaker 12: Yes, it's about.

951
00:54:40,215 --> 00:54:45,495
Speaker 17: Four years old. Half of the deck is under.

952
00:54:45,295 --> 00:54:47,895
Speaker 16: A roof, right yep, that's.

953
00:54:47,815 --> 00:54:51,095
Speaker 17: Been there for about thirty years and it's pretty good neck.

954
00:54:51,815 --> 00:54:55,655
Speaker 17: It looks like new, but the others are all out

955
00:54:55,695 --> 00:55:00,535
Speaker 17: in the open. Now the problem we I only figured

956
00:55:00,535 --> 00:55:02,375
Speaker 17: that out. I've bought some paint that we're going to

957
00:55:02,455 --> 00:55:07,775
Speaker 17: paint the deck, and I was thinking around again, I

958
00:55:07,855 --> 00:55:10,575
Speaker 17: have to go and hit these nails down because it

959
00:55:10,615 --> 00:55:13,775
Speaker 17: gets hot and the hot and cold, hot and cold,

960
00:55:13,815 --> 00:55:17,535
Speaker 17: and then you've got to hit the nails down. Now,

961
00:55:17,895 --> 00:55:21,055
Speaker 17: if I painting over there, that's that's going to do.

962
00:55:22,775 --> 00:55:26,175
Speaker 17: So would I be better the oil oil the deck

963
00:55:26,295 --> 00:55:28,055
Speaker 17: or what would be the best solution?

964
00:55:28,775 --> 00:55:33,335
Speaker 5: So the decks regardless it's age, it's about four years old,

965
00:55:33,375 --> 00:55:36,215
Speaker 5: but it's never had any treatment on it at all.

966
00:55:36,215 --> 00:55:37,175
Speaker 5: So it's bear timber.

967
00:55:37,895 --> 00:55:38,775
Speaker 17: It's bear timber.

968
00:55:39,895 --> 00:55:40,135
Speaker 3: Yeah.

969
00:55:40,455 --> 00:55:45,775
Speaker 5: Look, I think that you can paint it, but a

970
00:55:45,815 --> 00:55:47,895
Speaker 5: couple of things there. As you you sort of it's

971
00:55:48,055 --> 00:55:51,935
Speaker 5: much harder to maintain as in repainting. So when you

972
00:55:51,935 --> 00:55:54,055
Speaker 5: do have to repaint it, you'll need to scrape it

973
00:55:54,135 --> 00:55:57,215
Speaker 5: and prep it and all the rest of it. And

974
00:55:57,335 --> 00:56:01,015
Speaker 5: also you'd be a little bit concerned about slipperiness, right,

975
00:56:01,375 --> 00:56:05,335
Speaker 5: So a painted surface will be potentially slipperier than if

976
00:56:05,375 --> 00:56:09,375
Speaker 5: you were to do a decking stain. You would still

977
00:56:09,415 --> 00:56:11,815
Speaker 5: need to do preparation for the decking stain, so you'd

978
00:56:11,815 --> 00:56:15,175
Speaker 5: want to use one of the proprietary deck stains, deck

979
00:56:15,575 --> 00:56:19,175
Speaker 5: wash and prep systems. So you apply that, let it

980
00:56:19,215 --> 00:56:24,695
Speaker 5: at soak in, It'll do the mold control part of it,

981
00:56:24,735 --> 00:56:28,135
Speaker 5: agitate it, rinse it off, allow that to dry. The

982
00:56:28,535 --> 00:56:32,455
Speaker 5: other advantages that by using that particular product you open

983
00:56:32,535 --> 00:56:34,975
Speaker 5: the fibers of the timber, which means when you introduce

984
00:56:35,015 --> 00:56:38,855
Speaker 5: the stain, it'll suck in a little bit more. And

985
00:56:38,935 --> 00:56:45,015
Speaker 5: then I think here and then the prepper or the

986
00:56:45,055 --> 00:56:50,135
Speaker 5: recoating of a stain surface clean it thoroughly, reapply the stain,

987
00:56:50,295 --> 00:56:54,015
Speaker 5: stay with the same system. Again, if you introduce the paint,

988
00:56:54,975 --> 00:56:57,575
Speaker 5: it's a lot more preparation. The other thing is where

989
00:56:57,655 --> 00:56:59,855
Speaker 5: you've got some of those nails that are popping up,

990
00:57:00,175 --> 00:57:02,575
Speaker 5: why not just pull those out and replace them with

991
00:57:02,615 --> 00:57:08,095
Speaker 5: a decking screw because the decking screw will will bind

992
00:57:08,095 --> 00:57:11,695
Speaker 5: a little bit better. And you know, possibly if you've

993
00:57:11,775 --> 00:57:14,295
Speaker 5: used if they've used a sixty mil jolt head nail,

994
00:57:14,815 --> 00:57:17,695
Speaker 5: especially if they've used just a regular nail rather than

995
00:57:17,895 --> 00:57:20,215
Speaker 5: what we call an annular groove nail which has like

996
00:57:20,255 --> 00:57:25,815
Speaker 5: a little shank on it. Sorry, just straight old jolts.

997
00:57:26,255 --> 00:57:33,255
Speaker 5: So if you were to increasingly. We pretty much use

998
00:57:33,335 --> 00:57:37,135
Speaker 5: decking screws all the time now, So you know, either

999
00:57:37,175 --> 00:57:40,015
Speaker 5: you could go through and look, I wouldn't try and

1000
00:57:40,015 --> 00:57:41,975
Speaker 5: pull out all of the nails. Are just the ones

1001
00:57:42,015 --> 00:57:44,735
Speaker 5: that pop up when you take them. When they pop up,

1002
00:57:44,935 --> 00:57:48,215
Speaker 5: pull them out, replace it with a decking screw. But

1003
00:57:48,255 --> 00:57:55,175
Speaker 5: I would probably go for stain rather than paint. Something

1004
00:57:55,175 --> 00:57:59,415
Speaker 5: to think about. Appreciate you helping out with my vocabulary

1005
00:57:59,495 --> 00:58:04,095
Speaker 5: as well. Yeah, it's a staplehoe thing. Well it's it's

1006
00:58:04,175 --> 00:58:06,775
Speaker 5: like a horse shoe. Anyway, we've got there in the end.

1007
00:58:07,295 --> 00:58:11,175
Speaker 5: Texting eight hundred eight, call eight hundred eighty ten eighty

1008
00:58:11,255 --> 00:58:16,495
Speaker 5: text nine to nine two um someone's text about the

1009
00:58:16,575 --> 00:58:19,215
Speaker 5: vapor barrier, Pete, a question that has always plagued me.

1010
00:58:20,215 --> 00:58:25,895
Speaker 5: Do rats not nest under the vapor barrier? I quite

1011
00:58:25,975 --> 00:58:29,615
Speaker 5: like what you did there with the language column rats plague.

1012
00:58:29,775 --> 00:58:34,535
Speaker 5: Very good. I take it it was intentional anyway. Look,

1013
00:58:34,575 --> 00:58:38,615
Speaker 5: it's not something that I've ever encountered, so no, I

1014
00:58:38,655 --> 00:58:44,135
Speaker 5: don't know that. It then provides an environment um for

1015
00:58:44,535 --> 00:58:47,735
Speaker 5: rats to grow in. And if you've got a problem

1016
00:58:47,735 --> 00:58:51,055
Speaker 5: with rats, join your local ecological restoration society, get yourself

1017
00:58:51,055 --> 00:58:53,935
Speaker 5: a rat trap and be part of Predator Free twenty

1018
00:58:54,255 --> 00:59:01,735
Speaker 5: fifty would be my little plug. Would that set sharpen orgabits? Ah? Yeah,

1019
00:59:01,775 --> 00:59:05,695
Speaker 5: you could orgabits. There are always a real challenge to

1020
00:59:05,815 --> 00:59:09,055
Speaker 5: sharpen older drawbits. You can do them on a grinder.

1021
00:59:10,135 --> 00:59:12,895
Speaker 5: I've got a bench grinder. I know people that have

1022
00:59:13,015 --> 00:59:16,695
Speaker 5: sharpened them using a belt sander. I know you can

1023
00:59:16,735 --> 00:59:24,535
Speaker 5: buy little cats specifically for sharpening drawbits. Yeah, you probably.

1024
00:59:24,775 --> 00:59:26,655
Speaker 5: It would be enough to add an edge to it

1025
00:59:27,295 --> 00:59:30,415
Speaker 5: from this little this roobi rotary tool that I bought

1026
00:59:30,455 --> 00:59:33,815
Speaker 5: the other day. I have found endless uses for it,

1027
00:59:33,855 --> 00:59:36,735
Speaker 5: to be fair. I'm just waiting for the next rainy

1028
00:59:36,775 --> 00:59:38,775
Speaker 5: day where I feel that I can be inside the

1029
00:59:38,775 --> 00:59:42,015
Speaker 5: workshop rather than doing jobs outside of the workshop, and

1030
00:59:42,095 --> 00:59:45,775
Speaker 5: I will I will sharpen more things within my little workshop. Oh,

1031
00:59:45,775 --> 00:59:47,815
Speaker 5: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1032
00:59:48,655 --> 00:59:51,495
Speaker 5: We'll talk about the water leak underneath the concrete floor

1033
00:59:51,495 --> 00:59:53,535
Speaker 5: in just a moment as well. And we'll talk to

1034
00:59:53,615 --> 00:59:54,855
Speaker 5: val straight after the break.

1035
00:59:55,055 --> 00:59:57,975
Speaker 1: Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing with fans, or wondering

1036
00:59:57,975 --> 00:59:59,775
Speaker 1: how to fix that hole in the wall, you have

1037
00:59:59,855 --> 01:00:04,735
Speaker 1: Peeder Wolf Gaffer call on the resident builder on youth

1038
01:00:04,775 --> 01:00:05,335
Speaker 1: dogs b.

1039
01:00:07,495 --> 01:00:10,815
Speaker 5: Sorry, just to clear up something else as well, someone

1040
01:00:10,855 --> 01:00:13,615
Speaker 5: else's text through exactly what's the name of that ryoby

1041
01:00:13,655 --> 01:00:16,655
Speaker 5: tool that you mentioned that sounds really useful? Second text,

1042
01:00:17,175 --> 01:00:19,615
Speaker 5: I need to get a present for habby and how

1043
01:00:19,695 --> 01:00:21,895
Speaker 5: much is it? In which one did you happen to get?

1044
01:00:22,175 --> 01:00:26,655
Speaker 5: So there's rotary tools which you can get, which are

1045
01:00:29,135 --> 01:00:31,615
Speaker 5: there's a couple of different varieties. Look, the one that

1046
01:00:31,695 --> 01:00:35,975
Speaker 5: I ended up getting is what they call a tool station,

1047
01:00:37,575 --> 01:00:42,815
Speaker 5: which is the tool connected to a cable to the

1048
01:00:42,935 --> 01:00:48,055
Speaker 5: rotary bit itself. There are one hundred and seventy eight dollars,

1049
01:00:49,735 --> 01:00:51,455
Speaker 5: so that's what I got. There's a couple of different

1050
01:00:51,535 --> 01:00:55,255
Speaker 5: varieties of them, so some that are corded, some that

1051
01:00:55,295 --> 01:00:58,295
Speaker 5: are not corded. I opted for this one because I

1052
01:00:58,335 --> 01:01:00,895
Speaker 5: wanted I figured that it would be useful to have

1053
01:01:01,055 --> 01:01:03,255
Speaker 5: to be able to use my other batteries to power it.

1054
01:01:03,535 --> 01:01:06,655
Speaker 5: And I didn't mind having a cable attached because and

1055
01:01:06,695 --> 01:01:09,175
Speaker 5: so that it's going to be near it. So rotary

1056
01:01:09,295 --> 01:01:12,735
Speaker 5: tool station r RT S one eight that you go

1057
01:01:13,015 --> 01:01:16,335
Speaker 5: r RT S one eight is what it is. If

1058
01:01:16,335 --> 01:01:18,695
Speaker 5: you're out there doing a bit of shopping for presents

1059
01:01:18,775 --> 01:01:23,215
Speaker 5: for hobby or why doesn't matter either way. Oh, eight

1060
01:01:23,335 --> 01:01:24,855
Speaker 5: hundred and eighty ten eighty and thank you for the

1061
01:01:24,895 --> 01:01:31,015
Speaker 5: comment about Lee from the Horseshoe Nails. You're right, umm right, well,

1062
01:01:31,375 --> 01:01:34,815
Speaker 5: good morning to you, Good.

1063
01:01:34,615 --> 01:01:40,295
Speaker 19: Morning to you, Pete. Indeed, my question is I wouldn't thraw.

1064
01:01:40,895 --> 01:01:45,375
Speaker 19: It's a mashai and when we first had it done,

1065
01:01:45,375 --> 01:01:48,175
Speaker 19: it wasn't such a great job. So it has been

1066
01:01:48,215 --> 01:01:53,135
Speaker 19: written once. But there's only a few marks. And I

1067
01:01:53,215 --> 01:01:58,215
Speaker 19: just wonder if there's any professional people that do partial

1068
01:01:58,535 --> 01:02:01,215
Speaker 19: bits without having to shift anything out of the room.

1069
01:02:02,015 --> 01:02:04,495
Speaker 5: When you say a few marks as in scratches and

1070
01:02:04,575 --> 01:02:05,655
Speaker 5: things and that sort.

1071
01:02:05,455 --> 01:02:10,895
Speaker 19: Of thing, the yeah, they're around the table. There are

1072
01:02:12,055 --> 01:02:16,375
Speaker 19: tear marks and then an ornerment drop, but that most

1073
01:02:16,375 --> 01:02:20,175
Speaker 19: of it's good and eighty five and eighty eight. Last

1074
01:02:20,175 --> 01:02:23,375
Speaker 19: time we shifted everything out, it wasn't that easy, and

1075
01:02:23,455 --> 01:02:25,135
Speaker 19: I don't really shifting it again.

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01:02:25,335 --> 01:02:28,775
Speaker 5: Yeah. Look, I think like typically when you talk to

1077
01:02:29,095 --> 01:02:31,975
Speaker 5: the flooring guys, the guys that do the sanding and coating,

1078
01:02:32,975 --> 01:02:35,855
Speaker 5: they'll say to you, in order for it to appear consistent,

1079
01:02:35,975 --> 01:02:40,495
Speaker 5: we need to sand the entire surface, saying that you know,

1080
01:02:40,615 --> 01:02:43,775
Speaker 5: typically you know, if you look at floorboards, you really

1081
01:02:43,775 --> 01:02:46,695
Speaker 5: only want to send them twice in their life. Anything

1082
01:02:46,735 --> 01:02:49,335
Speaker 5: more than that and you lose too much out of

1083
01:02:49,375 --> 01:02:55,415
Speaker 5: the top groove that they start to get weaker. Right,

1084
01:02:55,455 --> 01:02:58,455
Speaker 5: there's nothing to stop the movement anymore. That's a side

1085
01:03:00,375 --> 01:03:03,935
Speaker 5: in some situations where I've had to do repairs, like

1086
01:03:04,015 --> 01:03:07,815
Speaker 5: you're discussing that, they'll come in and they'll mask along

1087
01:03:07,935 --> 01:03:10,735
Speaker 5: the line of a join and they'll just work on

1088
01:03:10,735 --> 01:03:15,455
Speaker 5: one or two boards and it might appear slightly inconsistent.

1089
01:03:15,495 --> 01:03:18,855
Speaker 5: That'll settle down over time. But yes, you know, it's

1090
01:03:18,895 --> 01:03:21,655
Speaker 5: like the best practice is to restand everything. But yes,

1091
01:03:21,695 --> 01:03:25,815
Speaker 5: you can target repairs.

1092
01:03:25,335 --> 01:03:28,815
Speaker 19: So the ex flooring specialists are.

1093
01:03:28,655 --> 01:03:31,975
Speaker 5: They if you have a look in your local area

1094
01:03:32,055 --> 01:03:37,055
Speaker 5: for someone who does floor sanding and coating, there'll be

1095
01:03:37,135 --> 01:03:39,975
Speaker 5: some locals that'll do it. The other option is to

1096
01:03:42,375 --> 01:03:45,695
Speaker 5: you could try like there might be some local builders

1097
01:03:45,735 --> 01:03:48,815
Speaker 5: who've got contacts for floor sanding contractors.

1098
01:03:49,775 --> 01:03:50,615
Speaker 19: That's an idea.

1099
01:03:51,015 --> 01:03:53,655
Speaker 5: Yeah, so maybe try a local hippy, particularly someone who

1100
01:03:53,695 --> 01:04:00,455
Speaker 5: does a lot of renovations. They'll know someone, right, all

1101
01:04:00,455 --> 01:04:02,855
Speaker 5: the best fail take care. It is a bit of

1102
01:04:02,895 --> 01:04:05,335
Speaker 5: a knack, and I think it's again. I was looking

1103
01:04:05,335 --> 01:04:08,655
Speaker 5: at the house the other day and said to the people.

1104
01:04:09,855 --> 01:04:14,895
Speaker 5: You know, when you think about a timber floor, when

1105
01:04:14,895 --> 01:04:17,855
Speaker 5: it goes down in its original state, it's about nineteen

1106
01:04:17,935 --> 01:04:22,095
Speaker 5: twenty milimeters thick. So you've got roughly, what are we

1107
01:04:22,135 --> 01:04:26,935
Speaker 5: talking six and a half millimeters of the top board

1108
01:04:27,735 --> 01:04:30,695
Speaker 5: before you get to the groove, and then you've got

1109
01:04:30,895 --> 01:04:32,975
Speaker 5: other six mil or so, and then you've got another

1110
01:04:33,015 --> 01:04:35,855
Speaker 5: six mil And that's how the tongue and groove system works.

1111
01:04:36,175 --> 01:04:38,775
Speaker 5: So if you take that top surface off and that

1112
01:04:38,935 --> 01:04:45,575
Speaker 5: top groove or the overlap of the groove is let's

1113
01:04:45,615 --> 01:04:48,855
Speaker 5: say three millimeters, and then it goes or it goes

1114
01:04:48,895 --> 01:04:52,735
Speaker 5: to four and then it goes to three. You know,

1115
01:04:52,815 --> 01:04:55,015
Speaker 5: if you continue to stand it, you'll end up with

1116
01:04:55,095 --> 01:04:57,615
Speaker 5: nothing holding the tongue and groove together. So you've got

1117
01:04:57,655 --> 01:04:59,895
Speaker 5: to be a little bit careful about that. I have

1118
01:05:00,015 --> 01:05:03,815
Speaker 5: heard of one story where client was insistent that they

1119
01:05:03,815 --> 01:05:06,655
Speaker 5: wanted the floor sand it again, and the floor sander

1120
01:05:06,935 --> 01:05:09,495
Speaker 5: did it and ended up dropping right through the floor.

1121
01:05:10,975 --> 01:05:14,055
Speaker 5: And look, in some cases, I've been underneath houses and

1122
01:05:14,135 --> 01:05:17,495
Speaker 5: just screwed up like large sections of ply between the

1123
01:05:17,575 --> 01:05:21,575
Speaker 5: joists the underside of the individual boards to support them

1124
01:05:21,735 --> 01:05:23,975
Speaker 5: to get rid of any squeaking. Oh eight hundred eighty

1125
01:05:24,215 --> 01:05:29,495
Speaker 5: eighty is the number to call. Let's talk to Evonne. Greetings,

1126
01:05:30,975 --> 01:05:31,495
Speaker 5: my pete.

1127
01:05:31,495 --> 01:05:32,015
Speaker 3: How are you.

1128
01:05:32,095 --> 01:05:33,735
Speaker 5: I'm very well in yourself.

1129
01:05:34,855 --> 01:05:38,535
Speaker 20: Fine, thank you. I like you have got a villain.

1130
01:05:39,535 --> 01:05:45,335
Speaker 20: Mine is a big blue yep. It has got a

1131
01:05:45,415 --> 01:05:46,215
Speaker 20: ring foundation.

1132
01:05:47,335 --> 01:05:48,535
Speaker 6: Oh okay, it has been.

1133
01:05:49,055 --> 01:05:54,175
Speaker 20: It has been rough cast, including the ring foundation. It

1134
01:05:54,215 --> 01:06:01,655
Speaker 20: is on a hell The foundation floats from about a

1135
01:06:01,775 --> 01:06:06,015
Speaker 20: foot to about forefeet at the front which looks out

1136
01:06:06,055 --> 01:06:10,975
Speaker 20: at the see gotcha. It has only got toe those

1137
01:06:11,095 --> 01:06:13,775
Speaker 20: little metal vents in it.

1138
01:06:14,055 --> 01:06:14,255
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1139
01:06:17,015 --> 01:06:22,375
Speaker 20: The fact that it's sloping, does that change the ground

1140
01:06:22,415 --> 01:06:26,855
Speaker 20: is sloping? Does that change the need for a vasa area?

1141
01:06:27,695 --> 01:06:31,695
Speaker 20: No question.

1142
01:06:34,975 --> 01:06:37,255
Speaker 5: I mean all that that slope is doing is allowing

1143
01:06:37,295 --> 01:06:40,575
Speaker 5: moisture to move from one end to the other. You know.

1144
01:06:40,655 --> 01:06:44,575
Speaker 5: The bigger issue is around ventilation in that space, and

1145
01:06:44,615 --> 01:06:48,255
Speaker 5: the fact that it's it's a masonry ring wall and

1146
01:06:48,295 --> 01:06:51,415
Speaker 5: that it's got very limited number of events means you're

1147
01:06:51,415 --> 01:06:53,815
Speaker 5: not getting a lot of ventilation underneath here at all.

1148
01:06:55,335 --> 01:06:59,495
Speaker 5: So yeah, I wouldn't if you can get access to

1149
01:06:59,535 --> 01:07:02,095
Speaker 5: there and it's safe to do so, I would.

1150
01:07:02,255 --> 01:07:03,775
Speaker 20: That's what I want to talk to you about is

1151
01:07:03,975 --> 01:07:07,895
Speaker 20: access where the manhold is and it's only a small one,

1152
01:07:08,895 --> 01:07:14,535
Speaker 20: is probably about of not much more than a foot

1153
01:07:14,815 --> 01:07:19,815
Speaker 20: on the ground. So to do the vator barrier easily,

1154
01:07:20,815 --> 01:07:24,375
Speaker 20: we would need to cut a decent sized man hole

1155
01:07:25,255 --> 01:07:31,055
Speaker 20: in the floor right over closer to the where that

1156
01:07:31,175 --> 01:07:33,895
Speaker 20: it's highest. Would you agree with that or not?

1157
01:07:35,295 --> 01:07:39,935
Speaker 5: You know, if, for example, at the shallowest end there

1158
01:07:40,095 --> 01:07:44,895
Speaker 5: was maybe four hundred millimeters or five hundred millimeters from

1159
01:07:44,975 --> 01:07:47,335
Speaker 5: is that from the underside of the floor to the ground,

1160
01:07:47,495 --> 01:07:50,215
Speaker 5: or from the underside of the joist or the bearer

1161
01:07:50,255 --> 01:07:51,255
Speaker 5: to the ground.

1162
01:07:54,615 --> 01:07:57,815
Speaker 20: Well, when you when you're locked, when you open the

1163
01:07:57,935 --> 01:08:02,815
Speaker 20: man hole and you're locked down, it's only about probably

1164
01:08:02,855 --> 01:08:03,615
Speaker 20: fifteen inches.

1165
01:08:04,935 --> 01:08:07,855
Speaker 5: Right when you say the manhole, do you actually have

1166
01:08:07,895 --> 01:08:10,015
Speaker 5: a hole cut in the floor already that you can

1167
01:08:10,295 --> 01:08:15,175
Speaker 5: get access to the underfloor. There's no access through the

1168
01:08:15,175 --> 01:08:20,535
Speaker 5: foundations through the ring wall. No, no, ah, okay.

1169
01:08:22,255 --> 01:08:29,975
Speaker 20: That hole would only be about oh, fifteen inches by

1170
01:08:30,055 --> 01:08:30,775
Speaker 20: eighteen inches.

1171
01:08:31,575 --> 01:08:36,895
Speaker 5: It's really small, obviously. When I again, funnily enough, I

1172
01:08:36,935 --> 01:08:39,015
Speaker 5: was in an older house this week and I was

1173
01:08:39,295 --> 01:08:41,215
Speaker 5: looking up at the ceiling and you could see where

1174
01:08:41,255 --> 01:08:45,215
Speaker 5: they'd patched the old access into the roof space. Right,

1175
01:08:45,655 --> 01:08:48,175
Speaker 5: and if you have a look at old villas. Typically

1176
01:08:48,415 --> 01:08:50,615
Speaker 5: they've got batin and board on the ceiling. Right, so

1177
01:08:50,615 --> 01:08:54,015
Speaker 5: they've got a board that might be about three hundred millimeters,

1178
01:08:54,095 --> 01:08:56,575
Speaker 5: so twelve inches, and then they've got the batons and

1179
01:08:56,615 --> 01:09:00,455
Speaker 5: often they would just leave a section of that loose

1180
01:09:00,695 --> 01:09:04,015
Speaker 5: that you could get into there. Now, that effectively gives

1181
01:09:04,015 --> 01:09:07,535
Speaker 5: you about two hundred and thirty two hundred forty millimeters

1182
01:09:08,055 --> 01:09:10,815
Speaker 5: in which to wiggle through. Now, there might have been

1183
01:09:10,815 --> 01:09:13,095
Speaker 5: a time when I could get through there, but increasingly

1184
01:09:13,135 --> 01:09:19,255
Speaker 5: I can't. So yeah, whereas ideally you want something around

1185
01:09:19,295 --> 01:09:22,655
Speaker 5: six hundred by six hundred. Look, I do wonder whether

1186
01:09:22,735 --> 01:09:25,095
Speaker 5: for your situation, if you're going to have to cut

1187
01:09:25,135 --> 01:09:29,415
Speaker 5: up floorboards and so on in order to get in there.

1188
01:09:29,535 --> 01:09:32,295
Speaker 5: It's a little bit of a big ask. What we

1189
01:09:32,415 --> 01:09:35,095
Speaker 5: know is the vapor barrier works, so yes, it would

1190
01:09:35,135 --> 01:09:38,415
Speaker 5: be an advantage to do it in your situation. Do

1191
01:09:38,495 --> 01:09:41,935
Speaker 5: you want the disruption in order to do that, because

1192
01:09:41,975 --> 01:09:44,895
Speaker 5: you'd need to cut a bigger hole somewhere in the floor.

1193
01:09:44,895 --> 01:09:47,455
Speaker 5: You need to try and cut through the ring foundation

1194
01:09:47,615 --> 01:09:51,015
Speaker 5: to allow access. It's not great. I mean I wonder

1195
01:09:51,055 --> 01:09:55,055
Speaker 5: whether if you've got some unsuitably experienced to come through

1196
01:09:55,135 --> 01:09:58,695
Speaker 5: you might be able to look at adding additional ventilation

1197
01:09:58,975 --> 01:10:02,735
Speaker 5: through that masonry wall, even if it's a case of

1198
01:10:02,815 --> 01:10:06,935
Speaker 5: drilling for example, you know through the wall at two

1199
01:10:06,975 --> 01:10:10,975
Speaker 5: and a half meter centers. It wouldn't necessarily loosen or

1200
01:10:11,055 --> 01:10:13,375
Speaker 5: weaken the structure, but it would allow you to get

1201
01:10:13,375 --> 01:10:14,135
Speaker 5: more ventilation.

1202
01:10:15,975 --> 01:10:19,375
Speaker 20: How much how much if we did the vapor area,

1203
01:10:19,495 --> 01:10:22,335
Speaker 20: and if we if we did some cut the whole

1204
01:10:22,735 --> 01:10:26,055
Speaker 20: ye and did the voter breer, and we put some

1205
01:10:26,135 --> 01:10:29,855
Speaker 20: sort of well we need to put some sort of

1206
01:10:29,855 --> 01:10:34,775
Speaker 20: information on the on the underside of the floorboards, and

1207
01:10:34,815 --> 01:10:38,975
Speaker 20: how much difference would it make to the heating issue

1208
01:10:39,055 --> 01:10:42,775
Speaker 20: in the house. So it's we're down on the South Island.

1209
01:10:42,895 --> 01:10:46,495
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, yeah, look you know, so you've now got

1210
01:10:46,535 --> 01:10:48,935
Speaker 5: a couple of things going on. Right. So there's the

1211
01:10:48,975 --> 01:10:52,895
Speaker 5: original floorboards with no underfloor insulation, I presume because it's

1212
01:10:52,935 --> 01:10:56,415
Speaker 5: just been so difficult to get into there, and obviously

1213
01:10:56,415 --> 01:11:01,375
Speaker 5: no vapor barrier. So if, for example, the you've got

1214
01:11:01,455 --> 01:11:04,895
Speaker 5: insulation in the roof and you won't have any insulation

1215
01:11:04,975 --> 01:11:07,535
Speaker 5: in the walls. If it's an old house, you'll have

1216
01:11:08,415 --> 01:11:12,655
Speaker 5: double hung sash windows with single glazing. There'll be a

1217
01:11:12,655 --> 01:11:15,815
Speaker 5: couple of things happening. One is that obviously cold will

1218
01:11:15,815 --> 01:11:19,455
Speaker 5: be migrating through your floorboards, and also drafts will be

1219
01:11:19,495 --> 01:11:23,055
Speaker 5: coming through your floorboards. And so in terms of energy

1220
01:11:23,415 --> 01:11:27,415
Speaker 5: loss inside the house, about fifteen to twenty percent of

1221
01:11:27,495 --> 01:11:30,775
Speaker 5: the heat that you create inside the house will be

1222
01:11:30,895 --> 01:11:35,135
Speaker 5: lost through the floor. So if you could reduce that

1223
01:11:35,295 --> 01:11:38,575
Speaker 5: down by adding insulation, it will make a significant difference.

1224
01:11:38,975 --> 01:11:44,175
Speaker 5: If you can then create a drier environment underneath the floor,

1225
01:11:44,375 --> 01:11:48,535
Speaker 5: that will help in terms of not having the cold

1226
01:11:48,855 --> 01:11:51,855
Speaker 5: migrating through like literally from the ground coming up through

1227
01:11:51,895 --> 01:11:54,455
Speaker 5: the house as well. So I think it will make

1228
01:11:54,455 --> 01:11:58,295
Speaker 5: a difference, and it will. It will also make a

1229
01:11:58,295 --> 01:12:03,775
Speaker 5: difference because the insulation coincidentally will help reduce the drafts

1230
01:12:03,815 --> 01:12:05,655
Speaker 5: that are coming through your floor as well.

1231
01:12:07,215 --> 01:12:11,255
Speaker 20: Okay, so six hundred by what size did you say

1232
01:12:11,295 --> 01:12:11,975
Speaker 20: to the manhole?

1233
01:12:12,495 --> 01:12:14,575
Speaker 5: Well, I'm just thinking about one that we would typically

1234
01:12:14,575 --> 01:12:16,535
Speaker 5: put in a ceiling. You'd aim for sort of six

1235
01:12:16,655 --> 01:12:19,175
Speaker 5: hundred by six hundred. But in your case, so your

1236
01:12:19,295 --> 01:12:22,295
Speaker 5: joists will be set at about five hundred centers, So

1237
01:12:22,775 --> 01:12:24,895
Speaker 5: I would just make it as wide as the joist.

1238
01:12:26,015 --> 01:12:28,615
Speaker 5: That way, you can cut if you've got someone to

1239
01:12:28,655 --> 01:12:31,015
Speaker 5: do it, you could cut neatly along either the edge

1240
01:12:31,055 --> 01:12:34,055
Speaker 5: of the joist or in fact exactly midway through the

1241
01:12:34,135 --> 01:12:38,335
Speaker 5: joist lift up. Some of those boards create a decent

1242
01:12:38,415 --> 01:12:41,095
Speaker 5: size access. You know, if we're talking health and safety.

1243
01:12:41,095 --> 01:12:43,375
Speaker 5: The other thing you've got to consider is if you're

1244
01:12:43,375 --> 01:12:46,615
Speaker 5: going to send people underneath the floor in the event

1245
01:12:46,655 --> 01:12:49,015
Speaker 5: that you needed to get them out. You know, that's

1246
01:12:49,055 --> 01:12:51,815
Speaker 5: got to be practical, right, You've got to be able

1247
01:12:51,815 --> 01:12:54,095
Speaker 5: to get in there and get people out. That's important.

1248
01:12:55,615 --> 01:12:58,415
Speaker 5: But I also understand that, you know, typically there'd be

1249
01:12:58,455 --> 01:13:01,855
Speaker 5: a side door you could crawl around underneath the floor,

1250
01:13:02,295 --> 01:13:04,975
Speaker 5: and in this instance, you're having to sacrifice your floor

1251
01:13:05,175 --> 01:13:09,495
Speaker 5: inside the house to create it's fine an opening. Okay,

1252
01:13:09,695 --> 01:13:10,215
Speaker 5: look if.

1253
01:13:10,095 --> 01:13:14,255
Speaker 20: That's fine, because we've got two large rooms over the

1254
01:13:14,255 --> 01:13:19,815
Speaker 20: four hundred area side that are just plunge and growth,

1255
01:13:20,255 --> 01:13:25,575
Speaker 20: and I've got no problem with having a decent manhold

1256
01:13:25,615 --> 01:13:29,415
Speaker 20: there and just having a large rug over the top

1257
01:13:29,455 --> 01:13:33,015
Speaker 20: of it vanished floors and stuff.

1258
01:13:33,135 --> 01:13:33,695
Speaker 15: So yeah.

1259
01:13:33,935 --> 01:13:37,375
Speaker 5: The other thing is because it's it's going to be

1260
01:13:37,655 --> 01:13:41,015
Speaker 5: you know, I mean, you're you're a little bit disruptive

1261
01:13:41,015 --> 01:13:44,255
Speaker 5: to do what we're suggesting you do, and I do

1262
01:13:44,375 --> 01:13:48,375
Speaker 5: think there will be a benefit, right, just make sure

1263
01:13:48,375 --> 01:13:50,575
Speaker 5: that perhaps you have someone check the quality of the

1264
01:13:50,615 --> 01:13:52,815
Speaker 5: work at the end. Right, So what you don't want

1265
01:13:52,855 --> 01:13:55,455
Speaker 5: to do is have someone and I don't mean to

1266
01:13:55,455 --> 01:13:59,575
Speaker 5: be dismissive or disrespectful to trades people or anything like that,

1267
01:13:59,855 --> 01:14:02,055
Speaker 5: but what you don't want is someone comes in there,

1268
01:14:02,895 --> 01:14:06,055
Speaker 5: does a half assed job and you get bits of insulation,

1269
01:14:06,455 --> 01:14:08,215
Speaker 5: bits of vapor barrier and all the rest of it.

1270
01:14:08,255 --> 01:14:10,575
Speaker 5: If you're going to put the effort into it, make

1271
01:14:10,575 --> 01:14:13,135
Speaker 5: sure that the person you get to do it does

1272
01:14:13,175 --> 01:14:15,615
Speaker 5: a really good job, that they're really thorough with the

1273
01:14:15,695 --> 01:14:19,135
Speaker 5: underfloor insallation, they're really thorough with the vapor barrier to

1274
01:14:19,215 --> 01:14:24,775
Speaker 5: get the maximum benefit out of it. Given them confistrations. Look,

1275
01:14:24,775 --> 01:14:26,335
Speaker 5: i'll tell you what. If you have a look on

1276
01:14:26,575 --> 01:14:29,535
Speaker 5: I don't know if the ECA website, but if you're

1277
01:14:29,535 --> 01:14:34,655
Speaker 5: looking for an installation insulation installation company, it's a mouthful.

1278
01:14:35,655 --> 01:14:40,815
Speaker 5: They should have some association with ECA or the Insulation Association.

1279
01:14:41,095 --> 01:14:45,055
Speaker 5: So look at some of those professional bodies and make

1280
01:14:45,095 --> 01:14:48,775
Speaker 5: sure that they're a member of those bodies. OK, thank

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01:14:48,775 --> 01:14:49,815
Speaker 5: you all the very best.

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01:14:49,895 --> 01:14:54,975
Speaker 20: If we go, as we go a site, the vapor

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01:14:55,015 --> 01:15:00,015
Speaker 20: barrier and the unflorization, is it polystyrene or is it

1284
01:15:00,415 --> 01:15:01,095
Speaker 20: toil or.

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01:15:01,135 --> 01:15:04,695
Speaker 5: It won't be foiled. Yes, you can use polystyrene. There

1286
01:15:04,695 --> 01:15:10,415
Speaker 5: are other systems of well so ortex green stuff I've

1287
01:15:10,575 --> 01:15:14,415
Speaker 5: used myself. I know that the mammoth ortex is a

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01:15:14,495 --> 01:15:16,015
Speaker 5: very good one for underfloors.

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01:15:16,295 --> 01:15:20,015
Speaker 20: Yeah. Yeah, and what you're looking at for something like.

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01:15:19,975 --> 01:15:23,535
Speaker 5: That, I think that for the complexity of this job,

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01:15:24,175 --> 01:15:26,295
Speaker 5: I don't think you'd have much change out of about

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01:15:26,535 --> 01:15:29,455
Speaker 5: four to five thousand dollars, maybe a little bit less.

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01:15:30,255 --> 01:15:31,615
Speaker 20: I was expecting a lot more than that.

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01:15:31,815 --> 01:15:33,615
Speaker 5: Don't say that to the person when they come to

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01:15:33,695 --> 01:15:38,175
Speaker 5: quote you to talk to you.

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01:15:39,335 --> 01:15:39,775
Speaker 7: Take care.

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01:15:40,335 --> 01:15:43,215
Speaker 5: Oh what a delightful call. Right, I'll let the cat

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01:15:43,255 --> 01:15:46,095
Speaker 5: out of the bag. Talking about this new product from Razine.

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01:15:46,135 --> 01:15:47,575
Speaker 5: We're not going to talk about that on the show

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01:15:48,215 --> 01:15:49,815
Speaker 5: until it comes out, but we are going to talk

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01:15:49,815 --> 01:15:51,415
Speaker 5: to Mike Olds in just a moment.

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01:15:52,215 --> 01:15:55,855
Speaker 1: Squeaky door or squeaky floor. Get the right advice from

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01:15:55,935 --> 01:16:00,455
Speaker 1: Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder on News Talks b Right.

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01:16:00,535 --> 01:16:03,295
Speaker 5: Coming up thirteen months away from eight. Always good to

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01:16:03,535 --> 01:16:07,015
Speaker 5: catch up with Mike Olds from Razine can Struction System.

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01:16:07,175 --> 01:16:09,215
Speaker 5: It spending a bit of time with Mike this week

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01:16:09,255 --> 01:16:12,775
Speaker 5: as we're working out colors for a new system that

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01:16:12,815 --> 01:16:14,775
Speaker 5: we can't talk about yet, but I've let the cat

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01:16:14,815 --> 01:16:16,775
Speaker 5: out of the bag anyway, Mike, good morning.

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01:16:17,175 --> 01:16:20,415
Speaker 12: How are you, Pete? Very well, it's it's always tending

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01:16:20,455 --> 01:16:22,655
Speaker 12: to talk about some of Avenue products, but we'll leave

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01:16:22,695 --> 01:16:24,695
Speaker 12: it as a teaser at the moment. Fair enough too,

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01:16:25,015 --> 01:16:26,935
Speaker 12: It's yeah, I want I want to show people that

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01:16:27,775 --> 01:16:29,415
Speaker 12: obviously the project we're going to be doing with you

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01:16:29,455 --> 01:16:31,575
Speaker 12: over the next couple of weeks, yep, so they can

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01:16:31,615 --> 01:16:32,335
Speaker 12: actually get a.

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01:16:32,215 --> 01:16:38,615
Speaker 5: Full yeah, that Mikey is still with us. Yeah. One.

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01:16:38,655 --> 01:16:40,535
Speaker 5: That a product that has been around for a while

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01:16:40,575 --> 01:16:43,535
Speaker 5: and it's sort of integral pardon the pun to the

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01:16:43,615 --> 01:16:48,215
Speaker 5: Razine construction system is lightweight concrete. So just describe to

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01:16:48,295 --> 01:16:51,215
Speaker 5: me what a lightweight concrete panel actually is and what

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01:16:51,255 --> 01:16:51,975
Speaker 5: it might look like.

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01:16:52,975 --> 01:16:57,455
Speaker 12: So our lightweight concrete product is an auto played aerator

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01:16:57,535 --> 01:17:02,495
Speaker 12: concrete or shortened down to AAC. So many people here

1325
01:17:02,535 --> 01:17:05,095
Speaker 12: tecting in the construction sector the term AAC, which is

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01:17:05,135 --> 01:17:10,015
Speaker 12: auto aerator concre and basically that's it's a process where

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01:17:10,175 --> 01:17:14,455
Speaker 12: BlimE sand cements are put into basically a caketin they

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01:17:14,655 --> 01:17:19,015
Speaker 12: have steel installed into that wet mix that is then

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01:17:19,615 --> 01:17:24,735
Speaker 12: cured and sliced into whatever thickness is required, and then

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01:17:24,735 --> 01:17:28,855
Speaker 12: it's put into an autoclave, and an autoclave essentially forces

1331
01:17:28,855 --> 01:17:32,015
Speaker 12: the moisture out of the product to dry it faster,

1332
01:17:32,495 --> 01:17:36,295
Speaker 12: so we put into the markets faster and sooner.

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01:17:37,135 --> 01:17:37,495
Speaker 9: One of the.

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01:17:37,535 --> 01:17:41,695
Speaker 12: Keys with this process is not necessarily autoclaving, but the

1335
01:17:41,815 --> 01:17:46,415
Speaker 12: actual the ingredients within this concrete matrix and that forms

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01:17:46,695 --> 01:17:50,695
Speaker 12: tiny air bubbles. So the concrete is generally around about

1337
01:17:51,255 --> 01:17:55,295
Speaker 12: a third to forty lighter than conventional concrete, so it's

1338
01:17:55,375 --> 01:17:58,415
Speaker 12: it's easy to handle and is far more versatile in

1339
01:17:58,495 --> 01:18:01,695
Speaker 12: terms of the product offer that we have in place,

1340
01:18:02,015 --> 01:18:07,175
Speaker 12: which allows us to go into external wall systems, so

1341
01:18:07,295 --> 01:18:10,655
Speaker 12: for SAD plotting systems are substrate for our rendering systems.

1342
01:18:11,135 --> 01:18:15,695
Speaker 12: Then also we have it for our intertenency walling systems

1343
01:18:15,895 --> 01:18:18,655
Speaker 12: so for fire and acoustics that are amazing properties in

1344
01:18:18,655 --> 01:18:21,815
Speaker 12: that space, and then also into a flooring system so

1345
01:18:21,855 --> 01:18:25,215
Speaker 12: we have a slightly thicker product. On this morning, you've

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01:18:25,255 --> 01:18:28,135
Speaker 12: been talking a lot about the flooring and subflooring. My

1347
01:18:28,975 --> 01:18:31,975
Speaker 12: renovation that I did an extension to my property is

1348
01:18:31,975 --> 01:18:36,295
Speaker 12: on timber piles and I install the seventy five mile

1349
01:18:36,375 --> 01:18:39,655
Speaker 12: lightweight concrete flooring, so you walk into the sort of

1350
01:18:39,695 --> 01:18:43,255
Speaker 12: space and you're not quite sure how you've actually managed

1351
01:18:43,255 --> 01:18:48,055
Speaker 12: to the concrete floor onto a timber piled structure. So

1352
01:18:48,575 --> 01:18:50,895
Speaker 12: it has benefits because of its light weight, but also

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01:18:50,975 --> 01:18:52,695
Speaker 12: it's hardness as well.

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01:18:52,935 --> 01:18:55,055
Speaker 5: I suppose if you were to use the integral flooring,

1355
01:18:55,095 --> 01:18:56,975
Speaker 5: it's a great substrate for tiles.

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01:18:57,975 --> 01:19:02,655
Speaker 12: Absolutely absolutely so, treated as any conventional underlay that you

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01:19:02,695 --> 01:19:06,655
Speaker 12: would use, except the thickness. So thickness for example flooring

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01:19:06,695 --> 01:19:09,895
Speaker 12: is seventy five milsack, but that is double steel wiry

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01:19:09,975 --> 01:19:14,815
Speaker 12: enforcing it as a tongue groove join, so the firm interlocking,

1360
01:19:15,255 --> 01:19:16,975
Speaker 12: you know, so even with some of you, some of

1361
01:19:16,975 --> 01:19:19,815
Speaker 12: you apply woods and they have their interlocking joints with

1362
01:19:19,535 --> 01:19:23,815
Speaker 12: the GT grooves and things like that. But really it's

1363
01:19:23,935 --> 01:19:27,615
Speaker 12: versatility and its performance and durability and dispose. It's the

1364
01:19:27,655 --> 01:19:30,215
Speaker 12: comfort levels you can get with these types of systems.

1365
01:19:31,215 --> 01:19:34,535
Speaker 12: We know what their intergendency walling and our external cladding.

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01:19:35,975 --> 01:19:41,615
Speaker 12: Just the acoustic benefits absolutely phenomenal if you combine that

1367
01:19:41,655 --> 01:19:45,215
Speaker 12: with your with your double glazing these days, and they

1368
01:19:45,295 --> 01:19:48,895
Speaker 12: actually absorbed so much noise from road noise or from

1369
01:19:48,975 --> 01:19:55,055
Speaker 12: neighbors or the light that the benefits are absolutely incredible.

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01:19:54,855 --> 01:19:56,735
Speaker 5: And to find out more, people can just go to

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01:19:56,815 --> 01:20:01,295
Speaker 5: the Razine Construction website then search and Integra and all

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01:20:01,295 --> 01:20:03,815
Speaker 5: of the details will come up there. Mike, thanks very

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01:20:03,895 --> 01:20:06,055
Speaker 5: much for joining us this morning and we'll catch up soon.

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01:20:06,415 --> 01:20:09,335
Speaker 5: Well we'll get this little project underway as well. Appreciate

1375
01:20:09,335 --> 01:20:12,415
Speaker 5: it mate, all the best, Take care bother then, Mike

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01:20:12,455 --> 01:20:15,095
Speaker 5: Old's from Razine Construction system. You check it out online,

1377
01:20:15,095 --> 01:20:17,375
Speaker 5: so just go to Razine Construction dot co dot nz

1378
01:20:17,535 --> 01:20:20,335
Speaker 5: and then have a look for Integra. Like I say,

1379
01:20:20,535 --> 01:20:24,935
Speaker 5: incredibly versatile in terms of plating, flooring potentially and inter

1380
01:20:25,095 --> 01:20:28,175
Speaker 5: tenancy as well. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

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01:20:28,175 --> 01:20:29,655
Speaker 5: back after the break with.

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01:20:29,495 --> 01:20:33,455
Speaker 1: Paul, were helping you get those DIY projects done right,

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01:20:33,655 --> 01:20:36,935
Speaker 1: the resident builder with Peta Wolfcat Paul, Oh eight hundred

1384
01:20:37,015 --> 01:20:40,735
Speaker 1: eighty eight, you've talked sad when you talk, said be Paul,

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01:20:40,775 --> 01:20:41,695
Speaker 1: good morning.

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01:20:42,535 --> 01:20:44,695
Speaker 9: Hi Pete. Why do you to help me? I've got

1387
01:20:44,735 --> 01:20:49,255
Speaker 9: a eleven year old shout which is cleared in linear board.

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01:20:49,695 --> 01:20:49,935
Speaker 14: Yep.

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01:20:49,975 --> 01:20:52,495
Speaker 9: And when the Tina we painted it with a color

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01:20:52,575 --> 01:20:55,655
Speaker 9: called racine call color, all black with a white trim. Yes,

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01:20:55,735 --> 01:20:58,855
Speaker 9: looks really great. Now we had to get it signed

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01:20:58,855 --> 01:21:01,535
Speaker 9: off to get that painted black, which we did, and

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01:21:01,575 --> 01:21:05,855
Speaker 9: then the first timmer came along and all the joints moved. Yeah,

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01:21:06,295 --> 01:21:08,975
Speaker 9: you've got a gray line down and they were seventeen

1395
01:21:08,935 --> 01:21:10,535
Speaker 9: of them. I can count them all, and they look

1396
01:21:10,575 --> 01:21:12,935
Speaker 9: really bad. So we call back the painters and they

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01:21:13,015 --> 01:21:16,495
Speaker 9: put in a flexible sentence down all the joints. They

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01:21:16,815 --> 01:21:19,015
Speaker 9: fixed the sort of problem. But then in the winter

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01:21:19,095 --> 01:21:21,535
Speaker 9: when it contracted, you've got to like a raised lip

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01:21:21,575 --> 01:21:23,855
Speaker 9: on all the joints will stood out again. So now

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01:21:23,975 --> 01:21:26,295
Speaker 9: ten years forward we just got a painted again. Went

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01:21:26,335 --> 01:21:28,615
Speaker 9: back to Racine and asked them what to do, and

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01:21:28,655 --> 01:21:32,175
Speaker 9: they said to use a repair here dry flex of

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01:21:32,255 --> 01:21:35,775
Speaker 9: POxy and all the joints, which we did with the

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01:21:35,815 --> 01:21:39,135
Speaker 9: painter and painted it again with two coats of Lumberside

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01:21:39,175 --> 01:21:42,855
Speaker 9: cool color. And they've actually cracked again or they move again.

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01:21:42,975 --> 01:21:45,455
Speaker 9: Especially in summer. You can see every joint again and

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01:21:45,535 --> 01:21:47,935
Speaker 9: you get a gray line down the joints, which stands

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01:21:47,935 --> 01:21:50,495
Speaker 9: out because it's black. And I went back to Racine

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01:21:50,535 --> 01:21:52,495
Speaker 9: and I see them and they said, well that's the

1411
01:21:52,495 --> 01:21:56,615
Speaker 9: best you can do. Get a small brush and paintful

1412
01:21:56,655 --> 01:21:59,935
Speaker 9: with joints. But I'm doing that all the time. So

1413
01:22:00,415 --> 01:22:02,855
Speaker 9: have I done something wrong or whatever should I do?

1414
01:22:04,095 --> 01:22:06,295
Speaker 5: I've got twenty seconds which I can't answer the quick

1415
01:22:06,455 --> 01:22:10,295
Speaker 5: and so this is the cliffhanger leading up to the news.

1416
01:22:10,375 --> 01:22:13,215
Speaker 5: Ladies and gentlemen, what's going to be the answer? Stay tuned.

1417
01:22:13,215 --> 01:22:15,175
Speaker 5: I'll be back straight after news, Sport and weather and

1418
01:22:15,215 --> 01:22:17,535
Speaker 5: we'll talk about that. Got some great texts, got some

1419
01:22:17,615 --> 01:22:21,495
Speaker 5: quite challenging texts around the vapor bury and the installation,

1420
01:22:21,575 --> 01:22:23,335
Speaker 5: so we'll have a deal with We'll deal to that

1421
01:22:23,655 --> 01:22:26,935
Speaker 5: straight after the news, Sport and weather as well. Remember

1422
01:22:27,015 --> 01:22:28,135
Speaker 5: red climb pass at eight.

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01:22:28,095 --> 01:22:32,375
Speaker 1: Thirty met it twice, God was But maybe call Pete first,

1424
01:22:32,415 --> 01:22:35,575
Speaker 1: Peter wolfcaf the Resident Builder News Talk, sa'd.

1425
01:22:35,335 --> 01:22:38,375
Speaker 5: Be your news talks. The'd be we are talking all

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01:22:38,455 --> 01:22:41,215
Speaker 5: things building in construction because this is the resident builder

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01:22:41,215 --> 01:22:43,895
Speaker 5: on Sunday with me, Pete Wolfcamp, resident Builder, right through

1428
01:22:44,015 --> 01:22:47,215
Speaker 5: till nine o'clock. Of course, we change gear jump into

1429
01:22:47,255 --> 01:22:49,975
Speaker 5: the garden with red climb passed at around eight point thirty.

1430
01:22:50,695 --> 01:22:52,815
Speaker 5: I got a couple of texts that I must answer

1431
01:22:52,895 --> 01:22:58,335
Speaker 5: about installation because it's fascinating. And just before the news,

1432
01:22:58,415 --> 01:23:02,615
Speaker 5: Paul was talking about a linear weather board house which

1433
01:23:02,695 --> 01:23:07,575
Speaker 5: you own obviously, and that you've painted basically black using

1434
01:23:07,655 --> 01:23:12,215
Speaker 5: the cool color technology, which is nifty, but you're still

1435
01:23:12,255 --> 01:23:15,535
Speaker 5: getting movement where the boards. So the linear which is

1436
01:23:15,575 --> 01:23:19,695
Speaker 5: a fibersment board about nineteen millimeters thick, you can butt

1437
01:23:19,815 --> 01:23:22,975
Speaker 5: join it with a tongue and groove, but that will

1438
01:23:23,015 --> 01:23:25,455
Speaker 5: always be subject to a bit of movement. I'm right there,

1439
01:23:25,495 --> 01:23:30,615
Speaker 5: A yes, yeah, right, yep. I look to be fair.

1440
01:23:30,655 --> 01:23:33,015
Speaker 5: I don't actually like to disagree with other people's advice,

1441
01:23:33,095 --> 01:23:36,695
Speaker 5: but I wouldn't use repair care in that situation. And

1442
01:23:37,015 --> 01:23:39,335
Speaker 5: I used repair Care just a couple of weeks ago

1443
01:23:40,615 --> 01:23:45,215
Speaker 5: in a situation where it's static. Right, So the weather

1444
01:23:45,255 --> 01:23:48,815
Speaker 5: boards in that instance there are dynamic and you'll have movement.

1445
01:23:48,935 --> 01:23:52,575
Speaker 5: So I think a flexible sealant that is paintable is

1446
01:23:52,615 --> 01:23:56,175
Speaker 5: going to be your best option. But even you know

1447
01:23:56,215 --> 01:23:59,975
Speaker 5: the flexible sealant will if the boards are pressing together,

1448
01:24:00,375 --> 01:24:04,775
Speaker 5: the sealant will bulge. If they are contracting moving away

1449
01:24:04,775 --> 01:24:11,735
Speaker 5: from each other, the flexible sealent will stretch. So when

1450
01:24:11,775 --> 01:24:13,775
Speaker 5: you do it, you almost need to do it at

1451
01:24:13,775 --> 01:24:16,335
Speaker 5: the height of summer, where the boards have retracted and

1452
01:24:16,375 --> 01:24:18,775
Speaker 5: the groove is open. But I would just put a

1453
01:24:18,855 --> 01:24:21,255
Speaker 5: minimal amount of sealant in there. In fact, it would

1454
01:24:21,295 --> 01:24:26,735
Speaker 5: almost be scolloped so that when inevitably the boards expand

1455
01:24:26,895 --> 01:24:29,535
Speaker 5: due to moisture and they push together, that you don't

1456
01:24:29,535 --> 01:24:33,455
Speaker 5: get a bulging. So I think flexible sealant with a

1457
01:24:33,655 --> 01:24:35,935
Speaker 5: paint over the top is the best solution. But you

1458
01:24:35,975 --> 01:24:38,735
Speaker 5: do have to be a little bit diligent and conscious

1459
01:24:38,775 --> 01:24:42,415
Speaker 5: around how you install the flexible sealant to allow for movement.

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01:24:43,655 --> 01:24:47,335
Speaker 5: And I think unfortunately I wouldn't have used repair Yet

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01:24:47,415 --> 01:24:49,415
Speaker 5: it's a very good product. I just wouldn't use it

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01:24:49,455 --> 01:24:50,175
Speaker 5: in that instance.

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01:24:50,855 --> 01:24:53,135
Speaker 9: Range judge jam Tarti and they said they wouldn't put

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01:24:53,175 --> 01:24:54,935
Speaker 9: anything at all. Nothing.

1465
01:24:55,135 --> 01:24:58,095
Speaker 5: Yeah, And to be fair, there's a logic behind that

1466
01:24:58,175 --> 01:25:00,495
Speaker 5: as well, because you know, typically if we if we're

1467
01:25:00,535 --> 01:25:02,895
Speaker 5: looking at a crack and cladding or a gap, we

1468
01:25:03,055 --> 01:25:06,055
Speaker 5: think about moisture ingress. But in this instance here it's

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01:25:06,095 --> 01:25:09,495
Speaker 5: a groove right, and it's probably on a cavity system

1470
01:25:09,535 --> 01:25:11,455
Speaker 5: as well, so if a little bit of water got

1471
01:25:11,535 --> 01:25:16,295
Speaker 5: in there, it's it's unlikely to go in turn left,

1472
01:25:16,735 --> 01:25:20,855
Speaker 5: turn turn right, turn left, turn right again and drop

1473
01:25:21,015 --> 01:25:24,135
Speaker 5: through the back right. It's going to be impeded by

1474
01:25:24,215 --> 01:25:27,575
Speaker 5: the tongue and groove and I have to say, allowing

1475
01:25:27,695 --> 01:25:30,055
Speaker 5: for that little bit of movement's really important. I saw

1476
01:25:30,575 --> 01:25:33,135
Speaker 5: a drive past a building almost every day where they've

1477
01:25:33,215 --> 01:25:36,935
Speaker 5: installed that type of platting. They've obviously butted it together

1478
01:25:37,375 --> 01:25:42,015
Speaker 5: really tightly. Now that and then it's expanded and all

1479
01:25:42,095 --> 01:25:44,495
Speaker 5: of the grow all of the joins have peaked, right,

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01:25:45,095 --> 01:25:49,335
Speaker 5: So that's to me, it looks bloody terrible, to be fair.

1481
01:25:50,615 --> 01:25:53,655
Speaker 5: So I'd rather have a small gap there that allows

1482
01:25:53,735 --> 01:25:56,695
Speaker 5: for movement, so that when the boards expand they touch,

1483
01:25:57,215 --> 01:26:00,455
Speaker 5: and then when they retract that you're being protected from

1484
01:26:00,535 --> 01:26:02,415
Speaker 5: moisture and gress by the tongue and groove.

1485
01:26:03,335 --> 01:26:03,535
Speaker 14: Yep.

1486
01:26:03,655 --> 01:26:07,015
Speaker 5: So yeah, a little bit of seilent and you'll be fine.

1487
01:26:07,415 --> 01:26:09,335
Speaker 5: All the best you, Paul, Thank you very much for calling.

1488
01:26:09,415 --> 01:26:13,415
Speaker 5: Really appreciate it. All the best and the repair care.

1489
01:26:13,455 --> 01:26:17,815
Speaker 5: What do I do the other day? Oh, faceboard round

1490
01:26:17,855 --> 01:26:21,335
Speaker 5: the top of a building where overhead lines had been connected,

1491
01:26:21,415 --> 01:26:25,655
Speaker 5: so good old fashioned overhead power and so on. There

1492
01:26:25,735 --> 01:26:28,735
Speaker 5: was the mounting block. I'm sure there's a technical term

1493
01:26:28,815 --> 01:26:31,375
Speaker 5: for it. Whether the overhead cable comes in then goes

1494
01:26:31,455 --> 01:26:36,335
Speaker 5: through the facierboard into the big screw a hole where

1495
01:26:36,375 --> 01:26:41,215
Speaker 5: the islet for a to hold the fiber connection was there,

1496
01:26:41,295 --> 01:26:44,215
Speaker 5: so they all came off. I just cleaned up the

1497
01:26:44,295 --> 01:26:48,215
Speaker 5: fasierboard because there are relatively small holes. I just used

1498
01:26:48,255 --> 01:26:52,015
Speaker 5: some repair care there, filled them up, let it dry thoroughly,

1499
01:26:52,935 --> 01:26:56,375
Speaker 5: primer a couple of top coats, and it looks tidy

1500
01:26:56,455 --> 01:26:58,855
Speaker 5: and there's no holes and it's so much nice and

1501
01:26:58,895 --> 01:27:03,655
Speaker 5: they're having overhead cables running to the house quickly on

1502
01:27:03,695 --> 01:27:06,775
Speaker 5: the insulation before I grabbed John's call, thank you for

1503
01:27:06,855 --> 01:27:10,455
Speaker 5: your patience. So someone's text through and I'll just read

1504
01:27:10,495 --> 01:27:12,615
Speaker 5: it out as it is, vapor barrier don't need to

1505
01:27:12,655 --> 01:27:14,735
Speaker 5: be put in. If it's not accessible, which is around

1506
01:27:14,775 --> 01:27:17,495
Speaker 5: four hundred less, don't do it. This is with reference

1507
01:27:17,615 --> 01:27:21,415
Speaker 5: to Yvonne's call in the previous out. You're right in

1508
01:27:21,535 --> 01:27:27,735
Speaker 5: terms of access, like an accessible space is I think

1509
01:27:27,855 --> 01:27:31,575
Speaker 5: defined as being having about four hundred millimeters of space

1510
01:27:31,855 --> 01:27:36,375
Speaker 5: underneath the bearer. Now in Avonne situation, she's talking about

1511
01:27:36,455 --> 01:27:38,815
Speaker 5: fifteen inches, which is about four hundred mil isn't it

1512
01:27:39,775 --> 01:27:41,935
Speaker 5: from the underside of the floor. So if you've got

1513
01:27:41,975 --> 01:27:46,015
Speaker 5: a six inch bearer and then one hundred mili six

1514
01:27:46,055 --> 01:27:48,615
Speaker 5: inch joist in a four inch bearer, not a lot

1515
01:27:48,655 --> 01:27:51,295
Speaker 5: of space left. So it might not be practical to

1516
01:27:51,375 --> 01:27:54,695
Speaker 5: do it. And even in terms of healthy homes legislation, yes,

1517
01:27:54,775 --> 01:27:57,615
Speaker 5: you have to install insulation in underfloor spaces, you have

1518
01:27:57,695 --> 01:28:01,255
Speaker 5: to install vapor barrier where accessible, and in her case

1519
01:28:01,335 --> 01:28:04,535
Speaker 5: it might not be accessible. If she wants to rarely

1520
01:28:04,575 --> 01:28:07,655
Speaker 5: put the effident and someone's prepared do it safely, then

1521
01:28:07,975 --> 01:28:10,655
Speaker 5: we know that there are benefits. Someone else's texture and said, hey,

1522
01:28:10,735 --> 01:28:12,455
Speaker 5: morning Peak, to keep an old house warm, you need

1523
01:28:12,535 --> 01:28:15,455
Speaker 5: to insulate the ceiling in the walls as heat rises datata.

1524
01:28:15,735 --> 01:28:20,095
Speaker 5: That's true. Very little goes through the floor. Also true,

1525
01:28:20,415 --> 01:28:26,295
Speaker 5: but not nothing. So I think if it's often impractical

1526
01:28:26,895 --> 01:28:29,695
Speaker 5: or more difficult to insulate walls because you need to

1527
01:28:29,735 --> 01:28:32,095
Speaker 5: remove lining or you need to inject in those sorts

1528
01:28:32,135 --> 01:28:35,095
Speaker 5: of things. Floors are ceilings. Typically in a villa, you

1529
01:28:35,175 --> 01:28:38,615
Speaker 5: can install. Walls might be a bit challenging. If the

1530
01:28:38,935 --> 01:28:44,055
Speaker 5: underfloor is accessible, then adding insulation there helps to reduce drafts,

1531
01:28:44,215 --> 01:28:47,095
Speaker 5: helps to keep heat in, helps to keep cold out.

1532
01:28:47,615 --> 01:28:50,655
Speaker 5: So it's worth doing. But you're right, it's about fifteen percent.

1533
01:28:50,775 --> 01:28:53,575
Speaker 5: But hey, fifteen percent is fifteen percent. It's worth doing.

1534
01:28:53,855 --> 01:28:56,135
Speaker 5: Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty. The number to

1535
01:28:56,215 --> 01:28:57,975
Speaker 5: call John good morning, Thanks for waiting.

1536
01:28:58,615 --> 01:29:02,095
Speaker 11: Oh, good morning. Yes, look, just wind your life on

1537
01:29:03,015 --> 01:29:08,175
Speaker 11: my garage. At the back of my garage is cracking along.

1538
01:29:08,015 --> 01:29:11,415
Speaker 15: The back and concrete okay, yep.

1539
01:29:12,215 --> 01:29:15,455
Speaker 11: And I did have a friend over, yes, and he said, well,

1540
01:29:15,935 --> 01:29:18,735
Speaker 11: I could actually fill that with something and smooth it off.

1541
01:29:19,295 --> 01:29:22,175
Speaker 11: I forget what it was, but I'm just wondering whether

1542
01:29:22,215 --> 01:29:24,415
Speaker 11: it was probably missed by u Q. You see, when

1543
01:29:24,455 --> 01:29:28,055
Speaker 11: I have my work done, it's no good going back

1544
01:29:28,095 --> 01:29:29,255
Speaker 11: to them now it's too late.

1545
01:29:29,375 --> 01:29:29,655
Speaker 20: And that.

1546
01:29:31,575 --> 01:29:34,735
Speaker 5: Most likely also, there.

1547
01:29:34,695 --> 01:29:37,215
Speaker 11: Is there anything I can do if I'm if I'm

1548
01:29:37,255 --> 01:29:39,175
Speaker 11: wanting to put the house on the market, is that

1549
01:29:40,215 --> 01:29:42,535
Speaker 11: is that going to affect myself? Do you think.

1550
01:29:43,935 --> 01:29:47,055
Speaker 5: I can't really answer that? And you know it's up

1551
01:29:47,095 --> 01:29:48,855
Speaker 5: to you to declear that sort of thing as well.

1552
01:29:49,375 --> 01:29:52,255
Speaker 5: So yeah, And also do you get the sense that

1553
01:29:52,455 --> 01:29:56,295
Speaker 5: the crack is let's say cosmetic as in you'll often

1554
01:29:56,335 --> 01:29:59,935
Speaker 5: get cracking and concrete or is it there because the

1555
01:29:59,975 --> 01:30:02,215
Speaker 5: ground is unstable and you've got bigger issues?

1556
01:30:03,055 --> 01:30:03,215
Speaker 14: Oh?

1557
01:30:03,375 --> 01:30:09,815
Speaker 11: Okay, then so it's can I actually someone file that

1558
01:30:09,975 --> 01:30:11,895
Speaker 11: out and fill it with something?

1559
01:30:13,855 --> 01:30:16,255
Speaker 5: How extensive is the crack? Is it like from the

1560
01:30:16,375 --> 01:30:17,975
Speaker 5: ground all the way up to the top.

1561
01:30:18,775 --> 01:30:19,975
Speaker 11: No, it's on the floor.

1562
01:30:20,855 --> 01:30:22,695
Speaker 5: Oh, it's a crack in the slab.

1563
01:30:23,055 --> 01:30:24,375
Speaker 11: And there's concrete.

1564
01:30:24,455 --> 01:30:30,535
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, I mean, look, the concrete cracks, right, All

1565
01:30:30,655 --> 01:30:33,855
Speaker 5: concrete cracks, and so we tend to control it with

1566
01:30:34,055 --> 01:30:37,495
Speaker 5: control joints, but essentially it will crack. Look, there's a

1567
01:30:37,775 --> 01:30:41,055
Speaker 5: there's a bunch of what we call simontitious repair products.

1568
01:30:41,095 --> 01:30:44,095
Speaker 5: So it's often a very fine powder that you can

1569
01:30:44,215 --> 01:30:46,695
Speaker 5: either brush and dry into the crack and then add

1570
01:30:46,735 --> 01:30:49,615
Speaker 5: a little bit of water to moisten it and to

1571
01:30:49,735 --> 01:30:53,375
Speaker 5: activate the repair. Or if it's slightly larger crack, you

1572
01:30:53,415 --> 01:30:55,775
Speaker 5: can mix it up as a slurry and pour it

1573
01:30:55,855 --> 01:30:59,415
Speaker 5: in and scrape it off later on. So either of

1574
01:30:59,495 --> 01:31:01,015
Speaker 5: those two solutions would work.

1575
01:31:02,415 --> 01:31:06,935
Speaker 11: Okay, then, so yes, we're gonna put anybody off the house.

1576
01:31:07,055 --> 01:31:08,095
Speaker 11: Just the crack on the floor.

1577
01:31:09,135 --> 01:31:12,095
Speaker 5: That's up to the individual who's buying the house. I mean,

1578
01:31:12,175 --> 01:31:15,015
Speaker 5: it wouldn't necessarily put me off. I think if there

1579
01:31:15,175 --> 01:31:19,615
Speaker 5: was dislocation between either side of the crack and movement,

1580
01:31:19,895 --> 01:31:21,655
Speaker 5: then that might raise concerns.

1581
01:31:21,735 --> 01:31:24,375
Speaker 14: But I think it cracke long.

1582
01:31:25,655 --> 01:31:30,215
Speaker 5: Just fill it with c mix maker product and seek

1583
01:31:30,255 --> 01:31:33,295
Speaker 5: and make products and that sort of thing. Sementitious repair

1584
01:31:33,615 --> 01:31:34,335
Speaker 5: is what you're after.

1585
01:31:35,295 --> 01:31:37,295
Speaker 11: Okay, well, thank you very much.

1586
01:31:37,455 --> 01:31:40,855
Speaker 5: Pleasure John, all the very best to you. Take care now.

1587
01:31:40,895 --> 01:31:42,535
Speaker 5: I got this text a little while ago, so my

1588
01:31:42,615 --> 01:31:48,695
Speaker 5: apologies for not getting onto it sooner. From Kate Morning Pete.

1589
01:31:49,175 --> 01:31:54,255
Speaker 5: I've asked the LBP builder of my new build, so

1590
01:31:54,655 --> 01:31:57,895
Speaker 5: this is underweight, to use a roofing contract who is

1591
01:31:57,975 --> 01:32:01,015
Speaker 5: associated with the Roofing Association of New Zealand so RA

1592
01:32:01,295 --> 01:32:04,775
Speaker 5: and Z. He didn't, and now we've got problems including

1593
01:32:04,895 --> 01:32:07,335
Speaker 5: dents in many places and the soft edge of the

1594
01:32:07,375 --> 01:32:09,575
Speaker 5: flashing under the ridge needs to be dressed into the

1595
01:32:09,655 --> 01:32:13,575
Speaker 5: corrugations where that's missing in some places. I've got no

1596
01:32:13,815 --> 01:32:16,375
Speaker 5: faith in the roof are Now I've asked that the

1597
01:32:16,495 --> 01:32:20,415
Speaker 5: whole roof be replaced or inspected by another contractor from

1598
01:32:20,575 --> 01:32:24,335
Speaker 5: the ram Z as per my original request, and then

1599
01:32:24,455 --> 01:32:27,615
Speaker 5: repaired it's brand new. Is this the best way to

1600
01:32:27,655 --> 01:32:30,575
Speaker 5: protect my roof and make sure it's properly installed or

1601
01:32:30,615 --> 01:32:33,615
Speaker 5: being told by another builder it will fail the final inspection.

1602
01:32:34,255 --> 01:32:37,775
Speaker 5: Thanks for your advice. Just with regard to the failing

1603
01:32:37,855 --> 01:32:41,415
Speaker 5: the final inspection, I mean if the quality of the

1604
01:32:41,495 --> 01:32:45,775
Speaker 5: workmanship is so poor that perhaps the dents are likely

1605
01:32:45,935 --> 01:32:49,375
Speaker 5: to cause leaks and that's sometimes what happens. If you

1606
01:32:50,095 --> 01:32:53,535
Speaker 5: stomp around on a corrugated iron roof of whatever particular

1607
01:32:53,615 --> 01:32:56,615
Speaker 5: variety in such a way that you dent some of

1608
01:32:56,655 --> 01:32:59,895
Speaker 5: the ridges and cause a crease that's going to cause

1609
01:32:59,935 --> 01:33:05,095
Speaker 5: a leak, then yeah, that might fail the final inspection.

1610
01:33:08,215 --> 01:33:11,415
Speaker 5: I think it's why I mean good. It's annoying, isn't

1611
01:33:11,415 --> 01:33:14,855
Speaker 5: it that your LBP didn't want to use a contractor

1612
01:33:14,935 --> 01:33:17,055
Speaker 5: who has taken the time and if it to be

1613
01:33:17,175 --> 01:33:21,855
Speaker 5: part of the Roofing Association of New Zealand. Ultimately, I

1614
01:33:21,895 --> 01:33:25,415
Speaker 5: think your LBP builder should be responsible for the quality

1615
01:33:25,455 --> 01:33:28,095
Speaker 5: of the work done by their contractor, and if it's

1616
01:33:28,255 --> 01:33:31,535
Speaker 5: poor work, which it sounds like it is, then they

1617
01:33:31,655 --> 01:33:34,815
Speaker 5: need to come back and fix that. I understand that

1618
01:33:34,895 --> 01:33:37,375
Speaker 5: you won't have too much confidence in the contractor, and

1619
01:33:37,455 --> 01:33:40,255
Speaker 5: if they've done a shoddy job by stomping around up

1620
01:33:40,295 --> 01:33:43,855
Speaker 5: there and not trusting things off, I can understand your concern.

1621
01:33:46,135 --> 01:33:49,055
Speaker 5: You do have to give the original contractor the opportunity

1622
01:33:49,175 --> 01:33:53,775
Speaker 5: to come and rectify their work, and it's ugiven that

1623
01:33:53,855 --> 01:33:56,975
Speaker 5: they're not a member of the ra rn Z, the

1624
01:33:57,055 --> 01:34:00,615
Speaker 5: Roofing Association. I don't know that they would necessarily send

1625
01:34:00,655 --> 01:34:04,735
Speaker 5: out one of their inspectors or members to inspect somebody's

1626
01:34:04,815 --> 01:34:15,175
Speaker 5: work who's not one of their members. H. I think

1627
01:34:15,495 --> 01:34:18,015
Speaker 5: it's I think you could then. I mean, if you

1628
01:34:18,095 --> 01:34:20,775
Speaker 5: wanted to pay someone to come and do that inspection,

1629
01:34:20,895 --> 01:34:24,335
Speaker 5: that would be wise. So you'd get a suitably qualified

1630
01:34:24,375 --> 01:34:27,775
Speaker 5: and experienced roof to come and be as impartial and

1631
01:34:27,895 --> 01:34:31,815
Speaker 5: as pragmatic as they could be in terms of what

1632
01:34:31,975 --> 01:34:35,415
Speaker 5: they're looking at, and then write a remedials list and

1633
01:34:35,535 --> 01:34:38,215
Speaker 5: then give that to the contractor and say, look, I

1634
01:34:38,335 --> 01:34:40,775
Speaker 5: believe that these things need to be replaced, and the

1635
01:34:40,855 --> 01:34:44,535
Speaker 5: person who is offering up this opinion has this level

1636
01:34:44,575 --> 01:34:47,695
Speaker 5: of qualification. Bearing in mind that the person who did

1637
01:34:47,775 --> 01:34:55,375
Speaker 5: the roofing should also be an LBP or the LBP

1638
01:34:55,535 --> 01:34:57,575
Speaker 5: for the building is going to sign off the roofing,

1639
01:34:58,815 --> 01:35:01,335
Speaker 5: in which case they have an obligation to adhere to

1640
01:35:01,415 --> 01:35:03,255
Speaker 5: the code of ethics as well. So you've got a

1641
01:35:03,335 --> 01:35:05,895
Speaker 5: couple of opportunities. Their code of ethics might be an

1642
01:35:05,935 --> 01:35:08,575
Speaker 5: interesting one to raise with them as well. Righty oh,

1643
01:35:08,615 --> 01:35:10,215
Speaker 5: we're going to take a short break. It is nineteen

1644
01:35:10,295 --> 01:35:13,815
Speaker 5: minutes just gone nineteen after eight. We'll talk to Rodney.

1645
01:35:13,895 --> 01:35:16,175
Speaker 5: We've probably still got one or two calls that we

1646
01:35:16,215 --> 01:35:18,295
Speaker 5: can squeeze him before eight thirty, but at eight thirty

1647
01:35:18,335 --> 01:35:20,575
Speaker 5: we're going to jump into the garden. Rid climb passed

1648
01:35:20,575 --> 01:35:23,415
Speaker 5: as always with us from eight thirty this morning.

1649
01:35:23,855 --> 01:35:26,335
Speaker 1: Doing of the house storting the garden, asked Pete for

1650
01:35:26,455 --> 01:35:29,815
Speaker 1: a hand the resident builder with Peter wolfcap call oh

1651
01:35:29,895 --> 01:35:32,295
Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty News talks.

1652
01:35:32,215 --> 01:35:35,495
Speaker 5: V quick text as well, morning Pete. Is it worth

1653
01:35:35,695 --> 01:35:41,295
Speaker 5: insulating internal walls in a new build? Yes, yes, yes, yes,

1654
01:35:42,415 --> 01:35:45,535
Speaker 5: absolutely take the opportunity because you'll never get to do

1655
01:35:45,615 --> 01:35:50,495
Speaker 5: it again. So for all of the sometime criticism of

1656
01:35:51,095 --> 01:35:52,975
Speaker 5: block and the blockhouses and all the rest of it,

1657
01:35:53,375 --> 01:35:56,415
Speaker 5: the one thing that I'm kind of proud to have

1658
01:35:56,495 --> 01:35:59,015
Speaker 5: been able to influence is that almost from the get go,

1659
01:35:59,735 --> 01:36:02,495
Speaker 5: all of the blockhouses that were built in ten seasons

1660
01:36:02,935 --> 01:36:06,695
Speaker 5: we insulated all of the internal petitions. And that makes

1661
01:36:06,735 --> 01:36:10,775
Speaker 5: a huge difference, not just in terms of warmth, but

1662
01:36:10,895 --> 01:36:15,695
Speaker 5: in terms of its acoustic performance. Because typically internal petition

1663
01:36:15,815 --> 01:36:17,255
Speaker 5: of a house you got a bit of ninety mil

1664
01:36:17,335 --> 01:36:19,455
Speaker 5: framing and a bit of ten mil plaster board on

1665
01:36:19,535 --> 01:36:24,375
Speaker 5: either side. The sound transmission coefficient the SDC rating is

1666
01:36:24,695 --> 01:36:28,495
Speaker 5: very very low. So add some insulation, maybe beef up

1667
01:36:28,535 --> 01:36:30,775
Speaker 5: then in the lining as well, and it makes a

1668
01:36:30,895 --> 01:36:33,455
Speaker 5: massive difference. So yeah, that's a really simple Yes, it's

1669
01:36:33,535 --> 01:36:36,975
Speaker 5: a great idea. Rodney. Greetings to you.

1670
01:36:38,255 --> 01:36:40,655
Speaker 14: Hey, good ah, Peter. I've heard you show a number

1671
01:36:40,655 --> 01:36:43,655
Speaker 14: of times to know you're giving extant advice over the years.

1672
01:36:44,215 --> 01:36:46,255
Speaker 14: This is the first time I'm calling nice to be

1673
01:36:46,375 --> 01:36:50,815
Speaker 14: the call. So mine are a bit more of the

1674
01:36:50,895 --> 01:36:55,695
Speaker 14: management of a building questions. I've done five subdivides where

1675
01:36:55,695 --> 01:36:58,215
Speaker 14: you buy a house with a big session, build a

1676
01:36:58,255 --> 01:37:01,535
Speaker 14: new house and live in it or sell it aumented.

1677
01:37:01,975 --> 01:37:04,975
Speaker 14: I've done it five times going back. I repeated twelve

1678
01:37:05,055 --> 01:37:07,895
Speaker 14: years ago, ten years ago, so ten years ago, last year,

1679
01:37:07,935 --> 01:37:10,695
Speaker 14: So prost me about eleven hundred a square met yep,

1680
01:37:11,855 --> 01:37:12,135
Speaker 14: that's a.

1681
01:37:12,175 --> 01:37:16,055
Speaker 12: Two stories two forty square meters sort of thing.

1682
01:37:18,095 --> 01:37:22,655
Speaker 14: I'm hearing at them right now. That well, building costs

1683
01:37:22,655 --> 01:37:25,455
Speaker 14: have been terrible for I'm flying three thousand square meters upwards,

1684
01:37:25,975 --> 01:37:30,735
Speaker 14: and that's one thing is the building materials about are

1685
01:37:30,775 --> 01:37:34,055
Speaker 14: they going to get much better? And another question is

1686
01:37:35,295 --> 01:37:39,495
Speaker 14: council inspection costs, And the number of inspections has just

1687
01:37:39,695 --> 01:37:43,495
Speaker 14: blown out to a absolutely crazy level, at ridiculous crisis.

1688
01:37:44,215 --> 01:37:45,735
Speaker 14: So I was wondering if that's actually going to get

1689
01:37:45,735 --> 01:37:48,815
Speaker 14: any better. I've got to develop a place I'm in

1690
01:37:48,935 --> 01:37:50,815
Speaker 14: in the next one to two years. It's actually a

1691
01:37:50,935 --> 01:37:54,375
Speaker 14: legal right, and that's my plans from the next one

1692
01:37:54,455 --> 01:37:58,375
Speaker 14: to two years to do it. And I'm just sort

1693
01:37:58,375 --> 01:38:01,215
Speaker 14: of important about these building costs, these council inspections and

1694
01:38:01,375 --> 01:38:03,535
Speaker 14: their costs. Are they going to get realistic?

1695
01:38:06,535 --> 01:38:08,855
Speaker 5: I mean, that's a bit It's a crystal ball question,

1696
01:38:08,975 --> 01:38:13,215
Speaker 5: isn't it. And the flippant response would be it's unlikely

1697
01:38:13,335 --> 01:38:17,855
Speaker 5: that they're going to go down right, So councils are

1698
01:38:17,935 --> 01:38:20,855
Speaker 5: trying to do cost recovery in terms of their inspections.

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01:38:20,935 --> 01:38:23,855
Speaker 5: What's inspections about one hundred and seventy bucks per inspection

1700
01:38:23,895 --> 01:38:25,655
Speaker 5: one hundred and thirty at the moment something like that.

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01:38:26,775 --> 01:38:30,895
Speaker 5: A typical new build will require about thirteen building inspections

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01:38:32,415 --> 01:38:34,935
Speaker 5: and then of course if you happen to fail one,

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01:38:35,135 --> 01:38:37,175
Speaker 5: then you've got to repeat that and so you're paying

1704
01:38:37,255 --> 01:38:41,335
Speaker 5: double for your inspection. Obviously, this dis government's looking at

1705
01:38:41,575 --> 01:38:45,455
Speaker 5: trying to get some cost reductions there, and so there's

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01:38:45,455 --> 01:38:49,415
Speaker 5: a bit of talk about remote inspections where rather than

1707
01:38:49,455 --> 01:38:51,895
Speaker 5: having the inspector physically on site, they'll be able to

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01:38:51,975 --> 01:38:55,135
Speaker 5: do it off site and use your camera, the camera

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01:38:55,215 --> 01:38:58,415
Speaker 5: on your phone to capture the information that might have

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01:38:58,615 --> 01:39:01,655
Speaker 5: some savings. There is a little bit of talk around

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01:39:01,735 --> 01:39:07,255
Speaker 5: self certification for some building companies, so that they won't

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01:39:07,455 --> 01:39:11,455
Speaker 5: actually have counsel inspectors on site at all. They'll do

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01:39:11,535 --> 01:39:17,295
Speaker 5: it themselves on an audit basis. That might happen. Whether

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01:39:17,335 --> 01:39:20,335
Speaker 5: it's going to make a significant difference to the cost

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01:39:20,415 --> 01:39:23,575
Speaker 5: of the final build, it won't. And I mean anecdotally,

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01:39:23,855 --> 01:39:27,495
Speaker 5: there's a lot of developers that have basically just stopped

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01:39:27,575 --> 01:39:30,415
Speaker 5: at the moment because they've gone, look what it's going

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01:39:30,495 --> 01:39:34,015
Speaker 5: to cost me to build this two story, three bedroom

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01:39:34,095 --> 01:39:36,855
Speaker 5: home or this three story walk up or something like

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01:39:36,935 --> 01:39:39,895
Speaker 5: that is actually more than what I can get for

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01:39:39,975 --> 01:39:42,615
Speaker 5: it on the market. So there ain't no money in

1722
01:39:42,695 --> 01:39:45,055
Speaker 5: selling a house that costs you, or there's no profit

1723
01:39:45,135 --> 01:39:47,455
Speaker 5: in selling something for more less than what it cost

1724
01:39:47,535 --> 01:39:52,775
Speaker 5: you to build it. I think undoubtedly. And I was

1725
01:39:52,895 --> 01:39:55,415
Speaker 5: listening to a guy called, actually he's been on the

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01:39:55,415 --> 01:39:57,935
Speaker 5: show last year, Andy Thompson, who runs a company called

1727
01:39:57,975 --> 01:40:05,535
Speaker 5: Cost Construction Cost Consultants, And we saw rates for example,

1728
01:40:05,655 --> 01:40:08,535
Speaker 5: for certain time types of materials, and you know, like

1729
01:40:09,775 --> 01:40:11,815
Speaker 5: you can do a square meter rate for block work, right,

1730
01:40:12,135 --> 01:40:14,215
Speaker 5: And it used to be go back three four five

1731
01:40:14,335 --> 01:40:17,015
Speaker 5: years ago about four hundred dollars a square meter, so

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01:40:17,135 --> 01:40:20,415
Speaker 5: that's your block, you're laying, you steal, you're grouting, and

1733
01:40:20,455 --> 01:40:23,415
Speaker 5: all the rest of it. That shot up to about

1734
01:40:23,575 --> 01:40:29,375
Speaker 5: eight hundred and twenty dollars a square meter. Two it's

1735
01:40:29,655 --> 01:40:33,575
Speaker 5: now come back to around the four or five one

1736
01:40:33,655 --> 01:40:35,135
Speaker 5: hundred dollars a square meter.

1737
01:40:35,255 --> 01:40:35,495
Speaker 13: Again.

1738
01:40:37,535 --> 01:40:40,135
Speaker 5: Look, there's a lot of chippies that are looking for

1739
01:40:40,255 --> 01:40:44,415
Speaker 5: work at the moment. People are often reluctant to drop

1740
01:40:44,535 --> 01:40:47,695
Speaker 5: their rates from what they were getting, you know. But

1741
01:40:47,855 --> 01:40:50,815
Speaker 5: in the end, sitting at home going, I'm worth eighty

1742
01:40:50,895 --> 01:40:53,455
Speaker 5: bucks an hour, where you could be on the tools

1743
01:40:53,535 --> 01:40:56,055
Speaker 5: for sixty, I'd rather be on the tools for sixty.

1744
01:40:56,175 --> 01:40:59,615
Speaker 5: So maybe there'll be some opportunities, but at this stage

1745
01:40:59,695 --> 01:41:03,215
Speaker 5: year it's it's still tricky I think for developers to

1746
01:41:03,575 --> 01:41:07,455
Speaker 5: get the numbers to work and get it done. Saying

1747
01:41:07,575 --> 01:41:13,895
Speaker 5: that some groups have got it sorted. And I noticed

1748
01:41:13,935 --> 01:41:17,215
Speaker 5: in the paper the other day that Simplicity Living, who

1749
01:41:17,295 --> 01:41:20,615
Speaker 5: are part of Simplicity Kiwisaver, who are building build to rent,

1750
01:41:21,455 --> 01:41:23,815
Speaker 5: are about to start another two hundred and sixty apartments

1751
01:41:23,855 --> 01:41:26,735
Speaker 5: in morning Side. So they've they've cracked it in terms

1752
01:41:26,775 --> 01:41:31,695
Speaker 5: of making the numbers stack up. Yeah, and look, I

1753
01:41:32,495 --> 01:41:35,655
Speaker 5: shiver was six seven years ago. We were working on

1754
01:41:35,695 --> 01:41:38,535
Speaker 5: a site and across the road with some people doing

1755
01:41:38,655 --> 01:41:41,975
Speaker 5: some stuff for KO and they were struggling to get

1756
01:41:42,015 --> 01:41:44,215
Speaker 5: their affordable housing in at three and a half thousand

1757
01:41:44,215 --> 01:41:45,095
Speaker 5: dollars a square meter.

1758
01:41:46,815 --> 01:41:49,495
Speaker 14: There's a war up the road here. But there's a

1759
01:41:49,495 --> 01:41:51,415
Speaker 14: big development going to happen and developer just going to

1760
01:41:51,415 --> 01:41:53,175
Speaker 14: go ahead with it, yep, and then it's going to

1761
01:41:53,175 --> 01:41:56,055
Speaker 14: flod a lot of KO and wreck the area. Anyway,

1762
01:41:56,095 --> 01:41:59,455
Speaker 14: Aside from that, So you were talking to someone six

1763
01:41:59,535 --> 01:42:00,935
Speaker 14: months to a year ago and I just caught the

1764
01:42:00,975 --> 01:42:03,335
Speaker 14: tail end of it. They were bringing the child in

1765
01:42:03,375 --> 01:42:06,215
Speaker 14: from Australia and saving twenty thirty percent or something.

1766
01:42:07,335 --> 01:42:10,175
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's always and that might be the other thing

1767
01:42:10,215 --> 01:42:13,815
Speaker 5: that changes the landscape a little bit as there's either

1768
01:42:13,935 --> 01:42:17,135
Speaker 5: legislation in place, are about to come, which is let's

1769
01:42:17,135 --> 01:42:20,135
Speaker 5: say you can bring in let's say tube of sealant,

1770
01:42:20,255 --> 01:42:23,615
Speaker 5: right and you buy it from a well known European

1771
01:42:23,735 --> 01:42:26,895
Speaker 5: manufacturer that's got all of the testing data and all

1772
01:42:26,935 --> 01:42:29,295
Speaker 5: the rest of it. So you bring it into New Zealand,

1773
01:42:29,335 --> 01:42:32,775
Speaker 5: and typically it then needed licensing by a New Zealand

1774
01:42:32,895 --> 01:42:36,095
Speaker 5: authority to use if it was part of a building consent.

1775
01:42:37,455 --> 01:42:40,815
Speaker 5: So that will change soon that you won't have to

1776
01:42:40,855 --> 01:42:43,295
Speaker 5: get local testing on a product that you can prove

1777
01:42:43,575 --> 01:42:47,255
Speaker 5: its compliance. I saw that by another means through.

1778
01:42:47,335 --> 01:42:47,535
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1779
01:42:47,895 --> 01:42:51,175
Speaker 5: But and look, I think all of these things combined

1780
01:42:51,295 --> 01:42:54,295
Speaker 5: might make a difference. But you know, let's say the

1781
01:42:54,455 --> 01:42:56,935
Speaker 5: twenty or thirty tubes of sealant that you buy to

1782
01:42:57,015 --> 01:42:59,615
Speaker 5: build a new house. You can save a dollar on that.

1783
01:43:00,695 --> 01:43:02,575
Speaker 5: It's not going to make a huge difference, is it?

1784
01:43:03,735 --> 01:43:03,975
Speaker 13: Okay?

1785
01:43:03,975 --> 01:43:06,215
Speaker 14: If I can just move something else too, st.

1786
01:43:06,415 --> 01:43:07,615
Speaker 5: Very quickly, Sorry, I've got to go.

1787
01:43:07,935 --> 01:43:11,295
Speaker 14: So i'most have such a world of trade min tickets

1788
01:43:11,335 --> 01:43:14,375
Speaker 14: and done a lot of building univation, Studdy, I don't

1789
01:43:14,455 --> 01:43:19,935
Speaker 14: have any LBP. I'm going to manage the whole thing myself,

1790
01:43:20,255 --> 01:43:22,975
Speaker 14: employ the conflicts and employ the survey and the draft

1791
01:43:23,055 --> 01:43:26,775
Speaker 14: and all that. Ye should I get site 'LBP or

1792
01:43:26,815 --> 01:43:28,775
Speaker 14: something would make any difference if I go and put

1793
01:43:28,815 --> 01:43:31,455
Speaker 14: it on eighteen months of studying or whatever I need.

1794
01:43:33,535 --> 01:43:36,895
Speaker 5: I mean, look, as effectively, you're the developer, right, so

1795
01:43:37,175 --> 01:43:39,415
Speaker 5: as long as you don't need to be an LBP

1796
01:43:39,695 --> 01:43:41,495
Speaker 5: in order to do what you're doing, because you're going

1797
01:43:41,535 --> 01:43:44,335
Speaker 5: to use an LBP for your building, for your roofing,

1798
01:43:44,455 --> 01:43:47,615
Speaker 5: for your waterproofing, you're going to use registered plumbers, drain

1799
01:43:47,735 --> 01:43:50,335
Speaker 5: laws and so on. So you could manage the site

1800
01:43:50,455 --> 01:43:51,935
Speaker 5: without having a qualification.

1801
01:43:54,335 --> 01:43:55,895
Speaker 14: I can site manage that of qualification.

1802
01:43:55,975 --> 01:44:00,895
Speaker 5: Still, yeah, absolutely, Oh that's one thing. Yeah, good luck,

1803
01:44:01,015 --> 01:44:03,775
Speaker 5: got to run. Nice to talk to you. Let's talk again.

1804
01:44:03,815 --> 01:44:05,935
Speaker 5: So take care of Rodney right over a little bit

1805
01:44:05,975 --> 01:44:07,975
Speaker 5: late now, sorry about that. Right, I'm going to take

1806
01:44:07,975 --> 01:44:10,215
Speaker 5: a short break and then we've got a red coline passed.

1807
01:44:10,335 --> 01:44:12,535
Speaker 5: If you've got a gardening question, just like the three

1808
01:44:12,575 --> 01:44:14,855
Speaker 5: callers that have already phoned through, give us a call now,

1809
01:44:14,975 --> 01:44:16,415
Speaker 5: oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

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01:44:17,055 --> 01:44:19,935
Speaker 1: Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing the fence, or wondering

1811
01:44:20,015 --> 01:44:22,055
Speaker 1: how to fix that hole in the wall, give Peter

1812
01:44:22,175 --> 01:44:25,295
Speaker 1: Wolfcamp a call on eight hundred eighty ten eighty The

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01:44:25,455 --> 01:44:29,295
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01:44:29,335 --> 01:44:32,415
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1815
01:44:32,495 --> 01:44:35,335
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