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Speaker 1: Now there's been another setback, yet another one for the

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Speaker 1: largest mine in the country, largest gold mine after battling

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Speaker 1: authorities over a native moth. This is McRae's gold mine

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Speaker 1: in central Otago. It's now been told no on expansion

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Speaker 1: plans because of a lizard. Doc has worried about ten

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Speaker 1: thousand lizards dying. Shane Jones is the Minister for Resources

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Speaker 1: and with.

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Speaker 2: Us morning Shane Hey in morning folks, scale of.

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Speaker 1: One to ten. How much is this annoying you?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Like mate? This is getting into double figures, nigh

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Speaker 2: on nine hundred, could be up to one thousand jobs.

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Speaker 2: Flies in the face of what the Prime Minister has

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Speaker 2: asked as cabinets deliver. We just had a major investment

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Speaker 2: seminar this year. People associated with the mining sector were there.

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Speaker 2: They loved what we had to say. We've got quizzlings

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Speaker 2: in the system who, in my view, are catastrophizing and

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Speaker 2: I don't even think they're telling the truth about this

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Speaker 2: application in terms of ten thousand lizards. And what's the

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Speaker 2: point of pushing a growth agenda if you've got quizzlings

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Speaker 2: that are actually making decisions which cabinet doesn't even know

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Speaker 2: about until someone breaks wind in the public sector. And

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Speaker 2: that's why I'm taking the matter to cabinet because I

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Speaker 2: feel that I'm becoming indistinguishable from Justinda a durned or

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Speaker 2: listen to carry on taking place.

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Speaker 1: What's the deal with the lizards. Let's say that they

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Speaker 1: are right and we lose ten thousand lizards. Are the

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Speaker 1: lizards extinct?

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Speaker 2: These lizards are as common as acne on a teenager.

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Speaker 2: That's first thing. Secondly, they are scattered throughout the entirety

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Speaker 2: of Otago. Every time a farmer does something on his

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Speaker 2: or her land. They don't need a special wildlife permit.

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Speaker 2: This piece of legislation is actually older than my good self.

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Speaker 2: But the most important thing is does the public want

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Speaker 2: jobs in Otago? Does the public want seven hundred million

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Speaker 2: dollar worth of export revenue? I do, and of the

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Speaker 2: view that the decision makers in this case have have

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Speaker 2: just taken the public for a ride. But more importantly,

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Speaker 2: these are companies that have been mining for thirty forty years.

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Speaker 2: This is not some fjordland Christine environment. This has already

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Speaker 2: compromised area and all they wanted to do was move

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Speaker 2: some soil, move some rocks, change the top soil, get

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Speaker 2: a whole bunch of hairy legs melloy colic ecological people

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Speaker 2: picking up the lizards in front of a bulldozer happens

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Speaker 2: all the time. But no, no, these decision makers and

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Speaker 2: understand that they're in dock, have decided they've got more

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Speaker 2: power than cabinet and they've got more power than the

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister. They don't.

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Speaker 1: So what are you going to do about it?

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Speaker 2: Oh well, you'll just have to wait and see. Oh no,

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Speaker 2: If I have my way, those jobs will be protect

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Speaker 2: that revenue will grow, and we'll just have to deal

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Speaker 2: with the fact that we'll take care of what lizards

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Speaker 2: we can and those that get in the way. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: it's a trade off.

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Speaker 1: So you'll go into are you going to override dock here?

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Speaker 1: And let mccraze just build thoze over those lizards bearing

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Speaker 1: common as monkey.

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Speaker 2: Sadly, I'm not the decision maker under the Wildlife Act.

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Speaker 2: It's someone nestled into the dock. So the CEO of

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Speaker 2: DOC and the clear and the bureaucratic leaders of DOC

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Speaker 2: have to ask themselves, are you the reserve Bank? Do

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Speaker 2: you operate independent from the cabinet based government of New Zealand?

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Speaker 2: And if you do well, I'm briancause he promised that

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Speaker 2: he would take care of this heresy within the bureau.

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Speaker 1: Well, I want to know is he actually going to

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Speaker 1: do something about it or just complain about it.

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Speaker 2: I think Keewis know that Muttell Shane Jones stands for mining,

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Speaker 2: stands for economic development. In every other case, I've actually

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Speaker 2: done something about it, but I've got to work within

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Speaker 2: the collective responsibility because we're cold. I should go over it,

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Speaker 2: but i know I've got the majority of keys on

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Speaker 2: my side as I had them on my side here

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Speaker 2: in Sydney with my team from Queensland won the game.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations to Shane Jones, Minister for Resources. He is hoping

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Speaker 1: he does do something for more from the Mic Asking Breakfast,

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