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Speaker 2: Welcome to Podcast two hundred and seventy eight for April

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Speaker 2: the second, twenty twenty five. Twelve months ago, in podcast

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Speaker 2: two thirty two, we held conversation with Roger LD. Simon.

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Speaker 2: Simon is a writer of books, both fiction and nonfiction.

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Speaker 2: He's also a screenwriter of standing. He was on my

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Speaker 2: list for some time as a prospect of interest, based

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Speaker 2: mostly on his personality and life experience. Now at the

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Speaker 2: time he had deserted Beverly Hills and reinstated himself and

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Speaker 2: wife to Nashville, Tennessee. That also held an attraction. But

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Speaker 2: the main reason that I mentioned Roger Simon now is

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Speaker 2: that he was the founder of PJ Media, and that's

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Speaker 2: where we find Matt Margolis. Matt is a conservative commentator

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Speaker 2: eclomist whose articles have been aired widely. Mike Levinn describes

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Speaker 2: him as a great columnist. I think he's terrific and

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Speaker 2: we'll talk with mister Margolis very shortly, but first on

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Speaker 2: a somewhat different note, We fought for democracy and lost

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Speaker 2: to bureaucracy, a piece written by Ai Fabler, who is

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Speaker 2: a satirist on one hand and a serious writer on

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Speaker 2: the other. You can decide for yourself on this occasion.

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Speaker 2: Very good friend of mine as well. He is a

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Speaker 2: good friend of mine. Actually a very good friend of mine,

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Speaker 2: he writes, suffered a traumatic event the other day. Her

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Speaker 2: friendly little French poodle ran up to an Alsatian dog

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Speaker 2: that was on a chain, intending to say bojour common ZeVA,

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Speaker 2: But I was moved by my friends loss. And as

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Speaker 2: Peter joke, the noblest of all dogs is the hot dog.

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Speaker 2: It feeds the hand that might sit. But I refrained

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Speaker 2: from repeating this at the time. None of this was

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Speaker 2: comfort to my friend. Of course, that same phrase came

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Speaker 2: to mind when another friend was on a rant about

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Speaker 2: the abject failure of our politicians. Specifically, he was berating

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Speaker 2: the Minister of Transport, who had promised to get rid

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Speaker 2: Here we are a year later, he moans, no speed

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Speaker 2: restrictions have been lifted, and this morning an entire lane

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Speaker 2: commuter traffic was backed up for miles. He should be sacked. Sacked,

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Speaker 2: said the friend. Well, he's been moved to the Ministry

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Speaker 2: of Health, as it happens, where he'll quickly accumulate even

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Speaker 2: more public opprobrium. Nevertheless, I quietly pointed out that it

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Speaker 2: wasn't the minister who had failed to act. It was

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Speaker 2: the bureaucrats at the ministry. If they had to blame,

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Speaker 2: why doesn't he sack them? He shouted. Ah, that's a

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Speaker 2: whole subject on its own, I could have said, because

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Speaker 2: their trade union, with their euphemistic title of the Public

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Speaker 2: Service Association, has ensured that bureaucrats are unsackable. Instead, I replied,

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Speaker 2: before blaming the bureaucracy for its behavior, we need to

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Speaker 2: This little exchange made me realized that I need to

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Speaker 2: bureaucrats behave the way they do, and, more importantly, to

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Speaker 2: explain why it is that governments don't run countries bureaucrats do.

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Speaker 2: In Part one of this essay last week, I tried

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Speaker 2: to make the point that we use the word democracy

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Speaker 2: described as full democracies, and with Little New Zealand occupying

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Speaker 2: such a thing as a full democracy exists. Here are

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Speaker 2: some things to consider. Firstly, why are Western bureaucracies overwhelmingly

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Speaker 2: bureaucracies continue to rise exponentially? Thirdly, why do governments have

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Speaker 2: when they are legislated. Now the answers to those questions

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Speaker 2: and further interesting writing you'll find under the headline of

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Speaker 2: under the search engine. If you like of Ai Fabler

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Speaker 2: Now Matt Margolis after the break a short one.

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Speaker 2: mad Magoldus is a conservative commentator and columnist. He is

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Speaker 2: the author of a number of books that appeared on

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Speaker 2: numerous radio and television programs, apparently even CNN. His breakout

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Speaker 2: book was the Worst President in History, The Legacy of

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Speaker 2: Barack Obama. More recently, Airborne How the liberal media weaponized

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Speaker 2: the coronavirus against Donald Trump, and we shall we shall

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Speaker 2: discuss nubrous things, including how the liberal media has weaponized

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Speaker 2: everything against the Donald Trump ever since that book came out. Now, Matt,

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Speaker 2: it's a great pleasure to talk to you, and I

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Speaker 2: thank you for your time and your contribution.

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Speaker 3: Well, thanks for having the I'm looking forward to it.

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Speaker 2: This is probably the first visit you've ever had to

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Speaker 2: New Zealand, so welcome.

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Speaker 3: It definitely is. And it's funny to go as my

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Speaker 3: wife always talks about how she bi like to go

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Speaker 3: visit the country sometime, and I guess I mean I

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Speaker 3: got a middle bit closer to that than she will.

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Speaker 2: Well, there is some there are plenty of reasons to come,

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Speaker 2: and there are a few reasons not to. But anytime

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Speaker 2: you want the advice, I'm only happy to pass it on. Now,

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Speaker 2: there is so much really that we can we can discuss,

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Speaker 2: but I want to start with the fact that you've

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Speaker 2: written that the deck is stacked against Donald Trump more

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Speaker 2: than we knew, more than ever. Can you explain that?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's funny because having lived through the

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Speaker 3: first term presidency and now currently the second one, it

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Speaker 3: always feels like he has a lot more working against

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Speaker 3: full as thing as I've been interested in politics and now,

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's been obvious that Republicans in the United

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Speaker 3: working against them, and it's just very difficult for you know,

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Speaker 3: Trump is a further democracy, He's a dictator. And then

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Speaker 3: they will behold, he wins the men's the election, he's

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Speaker 3: back in office, and they're all sitting there on like, well,

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Speaker 3: what are we going to do about this? And so

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Speaker 2: You know, the media is.

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Speaker 3: Reallyturing hard right now to push this narrative, for example,

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Speaker 3: that you know, his polling numbers have tainted, and you

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Speaker 3: know that's just not exactly true. I mean, we there

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Speaker 2: But you know, I think the.

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Speaker 3: Worst thing that we're seeing right now it is the

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Speaker 3: way that the courts have just been absolutely weaponized against them.

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Speaker 3: he can't use a tissue. It's it's just it's just

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Speaker 3: handling it? You know, I've written about this before, and

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Speaker 2: We see the administration and his.

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Speaker 3: to it. They are not they're not taking it sitting down.

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Speaker 3: They're they're really, uh, you know, quite frankly that they're

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Speaker 3: they're doing farm there aggressive. You know, I mean, Trump

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Speaker 3: they're they're clearly not they're not letting this get to

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Speaker 2: They they knew this was going to happen.

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Speaker 3: And they've they close and that they're ready to fight

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Speaker 2: American Greatness. The activist federal judge who tried to swart

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Speaker 2: the Trump administration's deportation flights to El Salvador earlier this month,

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Speaker 2: has been assigned to a left wing lawfare group's lawsuit

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Speaker 2: related to the Signal Gate controversy. How does this, How

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a very good question. You know here we're

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Speaker 3: being tited this that Bosberg has been randomly assigned to

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Speaker 2: No one really believes that.

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Speaker 3: You know, the whole concept of forum sharping is is

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Speaker 3: their favor, where the outcome is essentially predetermined. You know,

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Speaker 3: we saw this, but the legal cases against Trump last year.

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Speaker 3: You know, everybody're like, oh, well, New York City is

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Speaker 3: He was never going to get a fair shake there.

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Speaker 3: And the judge, the judges in those various cases were

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Speaker 3: berry even trying to hide the fact that they were

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Speaker 3: stacking the deck against Trump. And this is a huge

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Speaker 3: problem because you know what we're seeing is like right now,

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Speaker 3: have no authority whatsoever with dictating federal policy. It's just

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Speaker 3: not how it should be working. And republic and in

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Speaker 3: Congress are now trying to do something about it and

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Speaker 3: It shouldn't be that easy to just go shopping for

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Speaker 3: a judge who you know is going to rule how

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Speaker 3: in the run for reelection who currently aren't. They've whack

430
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Speaker 3: step in the with the with the party readers and

431
00:27:11,733 --> 00:27:15,293
Speaker 3: they get away with it. It's always frustrating to me

432
00:27:15,453 --> 00:27:20,253
Speaker 3: to see the Republican Party just absolutely fail to unite.

433
00:27:21,213 --> 00:27:25,133
Speaker 3: I mean, Pete Hexeth was only barely able to get

434
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Speaker 3: confirmed to be Secretary of Defense because of, among other people,

435
00:27:32,373 --> 00:27:34,053
Speaker 3: just McCall all. Though I you're against them.

436
00:27:33,973 --> 00:27:36,813
Speaker 2: He's a man who's he's a man who's very difficult

437
00:27:36,853 --> 00:27:38,773
Speaker 2: to come to grips with U.

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Speaker 3: He is, but he is retiring, which I think is

439
00:27:42,813 --> 00:27:45,573
Speaker 3: a good thing. He's you know, and that's a whole

440
00:27:45,573 --> 00:27:48,133
Speaker 3: other thing as well, because Republicans have wanted him to

441
00:27:48,213 --> 00:27:51,253
Speaker 3: retire for a long time, because he's curly not up

442
00:27:51,293 --> 00:27:55,253
Speaker 3: to the job anymore. Yet you won't see Democrats main

443
00:27:55,333 --> 00:27:58,253
Speaker 3: to a bitment one of their own or you know,

444
00:27:58,893 --> 00:28:02,693
Speaker 3: should probably be retiring and put out the pasture. It's

445
00:28:02,813 --> 00:28:06,333
Speaker 3: just Democrats are so concerned about their own power that

446
00:28:06,373 --> 00:28:09,333
Speaker 3: they will overlook anything as long out just to get

447
00:28:09,333 --> 00:28:12,693
Speaker 3: what they want. Republicans less. So, I mean, there are

448
00:28:12,733 --> 00:28:14,813
Speaker 3: so many times I just dang herd against the Lord,

449
00:28:14,853 --> 00:28:18,613
Speaker 3: just wandering like why they can't just unite behind the

450
00:28:18,973 --> 00:28:22,213
Speaker 3: you know, particular cars and how much I can understand it.

451
00:28:22,933 --> 00:28:25,853
Speaker 3: But I am honestly to say that I don't.

452
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Speaker 2: If I were to suggest to you that corruption has

453
00:28:27,733 --> 00:28:31,093
Speaker 2: something to do with it. You look at you look

454
00:28:31,093 --> 00:28:39,213
Speaker 2: at the connections that exists between numerous politicians of senior status,

455
00:28:40,413 --> 00:28:42,973
Speaker 2: look at the children, the spin off from the family,

456
00:28:43,013 --> 00:28:47,133
Speaker 2: you know who, who are making pots of money in

457
00:28:47,253 --> 00:28:50,013
Speaker 2: various parts of the world. Is there is there a

458
00:28:50,093 --> 00:28:53,373
Speaker 2: crossover and this is this maybe an unfair question for you,

459
00:28:53,453 --> 00:29:00,693
Speaker 2: but is there a crossover between some Republicans and some Democrats?

460
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Speaker 2: And the reason they stick together is because they have

461
00:29:04,173 --> 00:29:09,133
Speaker 2: a common bond in what I've just been trying to describe.

462
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I I think I think the real

463
00:29:13,333 --> 00:29:16,293
Speaker 3: issue is is that, you know, Washington, d c. Is

464
00:29:16,333 --> 00:29:21,813
Speaker 3: a very liberal area and the whole power structure there

465
00:29:22,053 --> 00:29:24,293
Speaker 3: is based on what can government do for you? But

466
00:29:24,613 --> 00:29:28,373
Speaker 3: getting money from the government, and you know, Democrats are

467
00:29:28,413 --> 00:29:30,733
Speaker 3: all about, you know what, let's fund this and fund that,

468
00:29:30,853 --> 00:29:34,653
Speaker 3: and so that kind of mindset of what government, how

469
00:29:34,733 --> 00:29:39,893
Speaker 3: government operates, really benefits the Democratic Party because they are

470
00:29:40,213 --> 00:29:44,733
Speaker 3: and willing to use their their position and government to

471
00:29:45,013 --> 00:29:48,733
Speaker 3: fund various things, and it benefits you know, members of

472
00:29:48,733 --> 00:29:53,333
Speaker 3: their families, various other I ask they have and so

473
00:29:53,973 --> 00:29:57,413
Speaker 3: Republicans are part of the part of this apparatus as well.

474
00:29:58,053 --> 00:30:02,853
Speaker 3: And but this apparatus really benefits this idea of using

475
00:30:03,293 --> 00:30:08,093
Speaker 3: the government to enrich that, you know, people that are

476
00:30:08,133 --> 00:30:11,293
Speaker 3: in involved in the system. And I think that's what

477
00:30:11,333 --> 00:30:13,453
Speaker 3: it's all about, was that, you know, it's like like

478
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Speaker 3: everything we're seeing now with the Department of Government efficiency

479
00:30:16,733 --> 00:30:20,853
Speaker 3: cutting all the waste, you know. I mean, Democrats have

480
00:30:20,893 --> 00:30:23,973
Speaker 3: found a way to be to enrich their families and

481
00:30:24,013 --> 00:30:27,773
Speaker 3: their allies through these wasteful programs, which is why they're

482
00:30:27,813 --> 00:30:31,733
Speaker 3: fighting so hard against it. The system I think just

483
00:30:31,973 --> 00:30:36,093
Speaker 3: naturally benefits Democrats and makes makes it easier for them

484
00:30:36,093 --> 00:30:40,853
Speaker 3: to align themselves together in a way that it's less

485
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Speaker 3: easy for Republicans.

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Speaker 2: I think I indicated to you in a piece of

487
00:30:46,013 --> 00:30:50,813
Speaker 2: correspondence that down in this part of the world, we

488
00:30:50,853 --> 00:30:56,493
Speaker 2: get we get fed mostly stuff from the Lift Wing,

489
00:30:56,693 --> 00:31:00,693
Speaker 2: the New York Times, Washington Post, seeing, etcetera. That's where

490
00:31:00,813 --> 00:31:06,133
Speaker 2: most of the information comes from that's printed and utilized

491
00:31:06,173 --> 00:31:12,653
Speaker 2: on televisions and radio. The New York Times drops a

492
00:31:12,693 --> 00:31:16,773
Speaker 2: massive truths bomb on the Democrats. Now that was from

493
00:31:17,133 --> 00:31:20,253
Speaker 2: only yesterday that you that you were covered that what

494
00:31:20,333 --> 00:31:21,093
Speaker 2: was the truth bomb?

495
00:31:21,413 --> 00:31:24,413
Speaker 3: Uh? Well, the truth the truth, Bob knows is that

496
00:31:24,653 --> 00:31:29,133
Speaker 3: the Democrats have really destroyed their brand. Uh. They the

497
00:31:29,173 --> 00:31:31,973
Speaker 3: Democrats have a long history of being the party of

498
00:31:32,013 --> 00:31:36,493
Speaker 3: the little guy, of the working class, and for years

499
00:31:36,533 --> 00:31:40,893
Speaker 3: now they've just become the party that cares more about

500
00:31:41,453 --> 00:31:44,373
Speaker 3: preferred pronouns and prosperity. You know, they're the ones that

501
00:31:44,453 --> 00:31:48,613
Speaker 3: are that are trying to push for all this transgender nonsense,

502
00:31:49,053 --> 00:31:51,253
Speaker 3: for all the all this social.

503
00:31:51,093 --> 00:31:52,133
Speaker 2: Justice that.

504
00:31:53,893 --> 00:31:56,973
Speaker 3: Initiatives and all that stuff, D D and A that stuff,

505
00:31:57,213 --> 00:31:59,693
Speaker 3: and this is not what people care about. You know

506
00:31:59,813 --> 00:32:02,933
Speaker 3: that the past four years under Joe Biden have been

507
00:32:03,013 --> 00:32:04,533
Speaker 3: just horrible economically.

508
00:32:04,613 --> 00:32:05,973
Speaker 2: We were crushed by.

509
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Speaker 3: Rampant and floyd skyrocketing gas prices and they were doing

510
00:32:13,533 --> 00:32:15,693
Speaker 3: nothing about it. There In fact, they were the ones

511
00:32:15,733 --> 00:32:18,893
Speaker 3: that were telling us everything is fine, everything is great.

512
00:32:19,173 --> 00:32:21,773
Speaker 3: The gas versus going down, inflation is going down, Things

513
00:32:21,773 --> 00:32:26,173
Speaker 3: are cheaper, and they weren't. You can't tell people, and

514
00:32:26,453 --> 00:32:28,573
Speaker 3: it's easy to go up on on TV and line

515
00:32:28,573 --> 00:32:30,973
Speaker 3: of the public, but it's really hard to convince people

516
00:32:31,693 --> 00:32:34,893
Speaker 3: that prices are going down and inflation is going down,

517
00:32:35,053 --> 00:32:37,493
Speaker 3: that gas prices are cheap when people can see that

518
00:32:37,533 --> 00:32:41,093
Speaker 3: directly for themselves and they know from their UH, from

519
00:32:41,093 --> 00:32:43,653
Speaker 3: their bank accounts, that they don't have as much money

520
00:32:43,653 --> 00:32:45,733
Speaker 3: as they used to because they have to spend more

521
00:32:45,813 --> 00:32:50,773
Speaker 3: for the for the necessities of life. And that disconnect

522
00:32:51,093 --> 00:32:54,773
Speaker 3: is the reason why Trump won. He was the one

523
00:32:54,813 --> 00:32:57,533
Speaker 3: that was saying, there was a problem, we can fix it.

524
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Speaker 3: Let's focus on what matters. And Democrats really weren't. I mean,

525
00:33:01,173 --> 00:33:04,213
Speaker 3: they tried to, but you know, I mean there was

526
00:33:04,253 --> 00:33:08,093
Speaker 3: this whole thing. You know, another big issue aside from

527
00:33:08,133 --> 00:33:12,213
Speaker 3: them was of course immigration, illegal immigration in particular, and

528
00:33:13,013 --> 00:33:18,413
Speaker 3: Democrats were clearly all about open borders, letting people in.

529
00:33:18,573 --> 00:33:20,853
Speaker 3: This is the right thing to do. And then when

530
00:33:20,853 --> 00:33:23,173
Speaker 3: the polls started to show that people would get you know,

531
00:33:23,213 --> 00:33:26,213
Speaker 3: really kind of sick of the crime that they brought

532
00:33:26,213 --> 00:33:30,333
Speaker 3: with them, and you know, all that, so the so

533
00:33:30,373 --> 00:33:33,653
Speaker 3: the polls showed that the immigration was suddenly a top

534
00:33:33,773 --> 00:33:37,773
Speaker 3: tier issue of American voters. And then they start to

535
00:33:37,773 --> 00:33:41,093
Speaker 3: pretend to be, you know, very hawkish about the about

536
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Speaker 3: the border. But man, just really believe you because you know,

537
00:33:44,693 --> 00:33:47,613
Speaker 3: like we had the Biden administration claiming that they they

538
00:33:47,653 --> 00:33:51,613
Speaker 3: had brought you know, they had brought all the level

539
00:33:51,693 --> 00:33:56,373
Speaker 3: of encounters to the border are down. But what they

540
00:33:56,413 --> 00:33:58,813
Speaker 3: weren't telling you was that they went to record highs

541
00:33:58,853 --> 00:34:01,693
Speaker 3: on their watch too, so that they kind of wanted

542
00:34:01,773 --> 00:34:05,333
Speaker 3: credit for reducing illegal immigration when they really weren't. And

543
00:34:05,373 --> 00:34:07,613
Speaker 3: the fact of the matter is is that it doesn't

544
00:34:08,013 --> 00:34:10,693
Speaker 3: even even though they were starting to get a little

545
00:34:10,733 --> 00:34:12,613
Speaker 3: bit more hot fish on the board at least in

546
00:34:12,693 --> 00:34:15,653
Speaker 3: terms of what they were saying, and even to an

547
00:34:15,653 --> 00:34:19,053
Speaker 3: extent they were there was actually a small reduction in

548
00:34:19,413 --> 00:34:22,213
Speaker 3: border and captors towards the end of the Biden administration.

549
00:34:22,813 --> 00:34:25,493
Speaker 3: They they wanted people to believe something that that that

550
00:34:25,573 --> 00:34:27,653
Speaker 3: that meant that they were the ones that were fixing

551
00:34:27,693 --> 00:34:30,373
Speaker 3: the proud of and that Trump was just using it

552
00:34:30,453 --> 00:34:33,533
Speaker 3: as a campaign issue and anyone really believed that. Uh,

553
00:34:34,053 --> 00:34:36,893
Speaker 3: people are just just just sick of the lies. And

554
00:34:37,853 --> 00:34:40,773
Speaker 3: when you when you tell people this stuff and they

555
00:34:40,773 --> 00:34:43,773
Speaker 3: and they know they can see that's what's hackering to

556
00:34:43,853 --> 00:34:47,213
Speaker 3: their to their neighborhoods and to people that they know.

557
00:34:47,293 --> 00:34:50,773
Speaker 3: I mean, people are giving that they're seeing clime going

558
00:34:50,853 --> 00:34:53,693
Speaker 3: up and are seeing Democrats not address the issue of crime.

559
00:34:54,053 --> 00:34:59,333
Speaker 3: You know, all these things contribute to a national belief

560
00:34:59,373 --> 00:35:02,973
Speaker 3: that that Democrats just don't care about the problems that

561
00:35:03,013 --> 00:35:09,093
Speaker 3: are affecting the people. And the New York Times actually surprising.

562
00:35:09,133 --> 00:35:11,133
Speaker 3: They called them off for it, which is what made

563
00:35:11,253 --> 00:35:15,013
Speaker 3: you know. The New York Times, as you said, Rah,

564
00:35:15,293 --> 00:35:18,453
Speaker 3: is kind of like the the media wing of the

565
00:35:18,493 --> 00:35:20,653
Speaker 3: Democratic Party. For one to call them out on this

566
00:35:21,413 --> 00:35:23,413
Speaker 3: was actually a big deal, which is why I wrote

567
00:35:23,453 --> 00:35:23,893
Speaker 3: about it.

568
00:35:24,253 --> 00:35:27,653
Speaker 2: Yep, it was, and it makes me wonder looking back

569
00:35:27,653 --> 00:35:29,653
Speaker 2: at their history whether The New York Times, every once

570
00:35:29,693 --> 00:35:33,013
Speaker 2: in a while designs is going to take that alternative

571
00:35:33,133 --> 00:35:37,653
Speaker 2: route just for a short term, and that then gives them,

572
00:35:37,973 --> 00:35:41,493
Speaker 2: they think, the cover for whatever else they do, because

573
00:35:41,493 --> 00:35:44,293
Speaker 2: they can claim that they are balanced and point to

574
00:35:44,333 --> 00:35:47,813
Speaker 2: one or two stories like that. That's that's my take

575
00:35:47,853 --> 00:35:50,093
Speaker 2: on it. I want to ask your opinion of a

576
00:35:50,133 --> 00:35:54,413
Speaker 2: couple of commentators, one very prominent, the other not so much,

577
00:35:55,413 --> 00:35:59,973
Speaker 2: not so well known, Victor Davis Hansome. What's your interpretation,

578
00:36:00,333 --> 00:36:02,573
Speaker 2: what's your interpretation of his approach?

579
00:36:04,733 --> 00:36:08,333
Speaker 3: I mean, to be honest, I don't really follow aloud

580
00:36:08,493 --> 00:36:10,293
Speaker 3: of what he does.

581
00:36:10,173 --> 00:36:10,733
Speaker 2: What he writes.

582
00:36:10,773 --> 00:36:13,453
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm aware of him for sure, but I

583
00:36:13,533 --> 00:36:17,013
Speaker 3: don't worry follow him all about closely.

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00:36:17,173 --> 00:36:20,213
Speaker 2: Okay, is there a reason for that? Because I could

585
00:36:20,253 --> 00:36:22,773
Speaker 2: provide one, I think, but is there a reason for it?

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00:36:23,533 --> 00:36:26,253
Speaker 3: I mean, I spend pretty much all day every day

587
00:36:26,373 --> 00:36:29,613
Speaker 3: looking for things to write about, and a lot of

588
00:36:29,613 --> 00:36:33,573
Speaker 3: it is from a lot of different sources. There there's

589
00:36:33,693 --> 00:36:35,853
Speaker 3: just so much out there of it that I'm picking

590
00:36:35,853 --> 00:36:38,893
Speaker 3: off from that there isn't any like specifically that I'm like, oh,

591
00:36:38,933 --> 00:36:40,733
Speaker 3: I have to read this person I have to listen to.

592
00:36:40,853 --> 00:36:41,053
Speaker 2: Yeah.

593
00:36:41,173 --> 00:36:45,213
Speaker 3: I can't even listen to a podcast as nually I

594
00:36:45,413 --> 00:36:48,453
Speaker 3: like too, because I can't write an article that'll listening

595
00:36:48,493 --> 00:36:53,613
Speaker 3: to a podcast. It is. And you know, my wife

596
00:36:53,973 --> 00:36:56,973
Speaker 3: listens to podcasts and I you know, she always thought me, oh,

597
00:36:56,973 --> 00:36:58,773
Speaker 3: you should listen to this, and it's like, I'd love to.

598
00:36:58,893 --> 00:37:01,613
Speaker 3: I just wish I had the time. Uh, you know,

599
00:37:01,773 --> 00:37:04,653
Speaker 3: it's uh, it's kind of the plight of being a

600
00:37:04,693 --> 00:37:08,053
Speaker 3: writer is that, you know, I have to read a

601
00:37:08,133 --> 00:37:11,213
Speaker 3: lot and then find something out of that to write

602
00:37:11,213 --> 00:37:13,773
Speaker 3: my own thing. You know, I, Doug, we get to

603
00:37:13,813 --> 00:37:20,093
Speaker 3: watch TV these days because to watch this is true bitter.

604
00:37:20,213 --> 00:37:26,333
Speaker 2: Davis Hanson was on television yesterday and he's really come

605
00:37:26,373 --> 00:37:29,373
Speaker 2: out of the woodwork of late and he was commenting

606
00:37:29,413 --> 00:37:34,613
Speaker 2: on Justice Roberts, and he pointed out that coming up

607
00:37:34,773 --> 00:37:38,773
Speaker 2: is Robert's most important moment of his life, where he

608
00:37:38,853 --> 00:37:43,493
Speaker 2: has to intervene, must intervene, and if he doesn't, we're

609
00:37:43,533 --> 00:37:46,453
Speaker 2: not going to have a country. I scribbled these notes

610
00:37:46,493 --> 00:37:50,253
Speaker 2: down as he talked, because we're going to turn it

611
00:37:50,293 --> 00:37:53,693
Speaker 2: over to the three hundred and fifty or so left

612
00:37:53,693 --> 00:37:59,773
Speaker 2: wing judges and they're going to run the country. If

613
00:37:59,773 --> 00:38:02,093
Speaker 2: he thinks it's going to go away by being indifferent

614
00:38:02,253 --> 00:38:07,133
Speaker 2: or showing indifference, it's not. It's going to be energized

615
00:38:07,453 --> 00:38:10,333
Speaker 2: more and more suit and more and more, more and

616
00:38:10,373 --> 00:38:13,413
Speaker 2: more judges. So he has to step in and declare

617
00:38:13,893 --> 00:38:18,893
Speaker 2: unconstitutional and what the what the lower courts are doing,

618
00:38:19,253 --> 00:38:22,213
Speaker 2: and he has to do it very quickly. And I

619
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Speaker 2: would imagine you would agree with that. The other one,

620
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Speaker 2: seeing you've already commented on VD eight. The other one

621
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Speaker 2: is what sort of regard by Jeheff for Kurt Schlichter.

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Speaker 3: Uh, he's a great guy. I've met him a couple

623
00:38:34,813 --> 00:38:38,933
Speaker 3: of times. I do read his stuff occasionally, when you

624
00:38:38,933 --> 00:38:42,493
Speaker 3: know he's he writes over a town hall and he's

625
00:38:43,093 --> 00:38:44,253
Speaker 3: he's got some great insight.

626
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Speaker 2: I already read this this morning, because it no it

627
00:38:48,333 --> 00:38:50,733
Speaker 2: was published on twenty four March, but I already read

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00:38:50,733 --> 00:38:54,213
Speaker 2: it this morning. The Agony of John Roberts. No, I'm

629
00:38:54,213 --> 00:38:55,933
Speaker 2: not going to quote it. I might do it later

630
00:38:55,973 --> 00:39:00,693
Speaker 2: in the podcast, but it's a it's a brutal and on,

631
00:39:00,973 --> 00:39:04,333
Speaker 2: or should put it this way, it's a brutally honest commentary.

632
00:39:04,773 --> 00:39:06,893
Speaker 2: Are there too Are there too many columnists? Do you think?

633
00:39:10,053 --> 00:39:10,173
Speaker 3: Uh?

634
00:39:11,333 --> 00:39:13,973
Speaker 2: Excluding your good self of course, Well.

635
00:39:14,293 --> 00:39:19,493
Speaker 3: Obviously, uh, you know everyone. That's kind of the thing

636
00:39:19,533 --> 00:39:23,293
Speaker 3: with the UNAD is that anybody, everybody can go out

637
00:39:23,293 --> 00:39:26,733
Speaker 3: there and say what they want to say. Uh, And

638
00:39:26,773 --> 00:39:29,333
Speaker 3: you know, I think I I think I found in

639
00:39:29,453 --> 00:39:32,293
Speaker 3: my time in this business is that you don't even

640
00:39:32,373 --> 00:39:36,533
Speaker 3: know who's gonna say like absolute spat on thing. So

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00:39:36,973 --> 00:39:39,453
Speaker 3: and you know, I don't think there's there's there's too many.

642
00:39:41,053 --> 00:39:45,253
Speaker 3: There may be too many on the left, but I'm

643
00:39:45,253 --> 00:39:48,453
Speaker 3: just on the kidding. But I think the good stuff

644
00:39:48,573 --> 00:39:53,173
Speaker 3: naturally is gonna get the more attention or hopefully and uh,

645
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Speaker 3: you know, just let let the market work it out.

646
00:39:55,533 --> 00:39:57,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is there's one other I want to before

647
00:39:57,893 --> 00:40:01,173
Speaker 2: I move on a little, I would to refer to

648
00:40:01,253 --> 00:40:03,493
Speaker 2: the media in this part of the world, and on

649
00:40:03,533 --> 00:40:07,813
Speaker 2: this occasion, I'm talking about the Australian media, particularly the

650
00:40:07,813 --> 00:40:12,493
Speaker 2: best in Australia, and that is The Australian. Don't know

651
00:40:12,533 --> 00:40:14,733
Speaker 2: whether you've ever had a look at it or not,

652
00:40:15,533 --> 00:40:19,173
Speaker 2: but it is that is one that's taken the best

653
00:40:19,253 --> 00:40:23,653
Speaker 2: attitude of any media in Australasia for a long period

654
00:40:23,733 --> 00:40:28,453
Speaker 2: of time with its commentators and op eds. However, there

655
00:40:28,493 --> 00:40:32,933
Speaker 2: are exceptions, and this is one. This piece exemplifies it.

656
00:40:33,573 --> 00:40:35,533
Speaker 2: Doal Trump may be right when he insists that in

657
00:40:35,573 --> 00:40:40,453
Speaker 2: deporting illegal migrants on mass especially criminals across America's southern border,

658
00:40:40,533 --> 00:40:43,653
Speaker 2: he is fulfilling the mandate voters gave him last November,

659
00:40:44,013 --> 00:40:47,573
Speaker 2: Yet he is wrong to seek to ignore court rulings

660
00:40:47,573 --> 00:40:50,733
Speaker 2: on the issue and demand the judges who applied the

661
00:40:50,813 --> 00:40:54,853
Speaker 2: law of the land and the rule against him over

662
00:40:54,933 --> 00:41:00,773
Speaker 2: deportations be not it just impeached, but condemned as lunatics

663
00:41:00,893 --> 00:41:03,813
Speaker 2: and rogues. And it goes on in the same vein.

664
00:41:04,333 --> 00:41:07,613
Speaker 2: And there was another column written by a well known

665
00:41:07,813 --> 00:41:11,613
Speaker 2: commentator who took the same line that he is out

666
00:41:11,613 --> 00:41:17,293
Speaker 2: of order totally and bringing the judiciary into disrepute. And

667
00:41:17,373 --> 00:41:19,333
Speaker 2: it came to me not just as a surprise but

668
00:41:19,413 --> 00:41:21,533
Speaker 2: as a shock when I read it. Now, what are

669
00:41:21,613 --> 00:41:25,613
Speaker 2: those two commentators, those two commentaries, what are they missing?

670
00:41:25,973 --> 00:41:28,093
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think the key thing they're missing

671
00:41:28,173 --> 00:41:31,373
Speaker 3: is that, I like going back to this example where

672
00:41:31,773 --> 00:41:35,293
Speaker 3: Joe Biden, the Supreme Court rules against him on the

673
00:41:35,333 --> 00:41:40,253
Speaker 3: issue of being able to cancel student debt. He goes

674
00:41:40,293 --> 00:41:42,533
Speaker 3: out there and face the right after that and starts

675
00:41:42,533 --> 00:41:44,853
Speaker 3: finding all these little poles and finding other ways to

676
00:41:44,893 --> 00:41:47,373
Speaker 3: accomplish it. And then he goes out there is bragging

677
00:41:47,773 --> 00:41:51,933
Speaker 3: that the Supreme Court couldn't stop him. And I think

678
00:41:51,973 --> 00:41:58,133
Speaker 3: about that a lot in this particular context, because the

679
00:41:58,213 --> 00:42:01,333
Speaker 3: same people who are saying, oh my god, Trump can't

680
00:42:01,853 --> 00:42:04,173
Speaker 3: go after all, these judges can't sell out these things

681
00:42:04,173 --> 00:42:08,253
Speaker 3: and cough for that that they they were cheering bid

682
00:42:08,893 --> 00:42:13,413
Speaker 3: for defining the United States Supreme Court the top court

683
00:42:13,773 --> 00:42:18,173
Speaker 3: in the land. And the hypocrisy that these people are

684
00:42:18,213 --> 00:42:21,973
Speaker 3: demonstrating it tells you everything you need to know is

685
00:42:22,013 --> 00:42:26,013
Speaker 3: that for them, the ends justify the means. They don't

686
00:42:26,013 --> 00:42:30,493
Speaker 3: care about democracy, they don't care about judicial review, they

687
00:42:30,493 --> 00:42:33,533
Speaker 3: don't care about any of that. They care about what

688
00:42:33,613 --> 00:42:36,773
Speaker 3: they about their agenda, and they don't care how they

689
00:42:36,773 --> 00:42:39,573
Speaker 3: get to it. And so I mean, I hear all

690
00:42:39,573 --> 00:42:41,893
Speaker 3: these complaints about, you know, Trump can't do it, he

691
00:42:41,933 --> 00:42:45,933
Speaker 3: can't come there is a problem there is a problem

692
00:42:45,933 --> 00:42:49,093
Speaker 3: in this country where we are seeing judges, low level

693
00:42:49,173 --> 00:42:54,133
Speaker 3: judges at the district level, making nationwide injunctions in order

694
00:42:54,173 --> 00:42:57,693
Speaker 3: to stop the Trump agenda. You've never seen it happen

695
00:42:57,693 --> 00:43:00,333
Speaker 3: at this level before, and that tells you this is

696
00:43:00,373 --> 00:43:03,933
Speaker 3: a problem because I guarantee you every single person that

697
00:43:04,373 --> 00:43:07,373
Speaker 3: is complaining about how Trump is acting now would be

698
00:43:07,413 --> 00:43:10,493
Speaker 3: complaining about the judges at the situations where that the

699
00:43:10,533 --> 00:43:15,373
Speaker 3: situation was reversed. So I think everybody needs to take

700
00:43:15,373 --> 00:43:18,013
Speaker 3: a step back here and look at this from a perspective.

701
00:43:18,893 --> 00:43:21,533
Speaker 3: If this happened but the party switched, which you will be,

702
00:43:21,773 --> 00:43:24,253
Speaker 3: how would you feel about it? Because I's the only

703
00:43:24,293 --> 00:43:26,453
Speaker 3: way we're really going to get to any sort of

704
00:43:26,493 --> 00:43:29,973
Speaker 3: agreement as to what the what the appropriate level of

705
00:43:30,093 --> 00:43:31,333
Speaker 3: power these judges should have.

706
00:43:31,493 --> 00:43:35,573
Speaker 2: It would will be the man's name. I was trying

707
00:43:35,573 --> 00:43:39,213
Speaker 2: to think of Henry Ergos, who has is basically an

708
00:43:39,213 --> 00:43:43,213
Speaker 2: economist but has a long history of commentary with the

709
00:43:43,213 --> 00:43:48,253
Speaker 2: paper and it's head at Donald Trump's contempt of the

710
00:43:48,373 --> 00:43:52,613
Speaker 2: judiciary puts rule of law at risk, and I read

711
00:43:52,653 --> 00:43:54,853
Speaker 2: it obviously and I thought, you don't know what you're

712
00:43:54,893 --> 00:43:57,973
Speaker 2: talking about. But the only thing I can the any

713
00:43:58,013 --> 00:44:00,773
Speaker 2: excuse I can make if an excuse is the word

714
00:44:01,573 --> 00:44:05,333
Speaker 2: is that he himself is not getting the right information

715
00:44:05,893 --> 00:44:09,293
Speaker 2: and writing he's writing one eyed half blow. But I

716
00:44:09,373 --> 00:44:12,253
Speaker 2: don't I don't want to drag you through that any

717
00:44:12,413 --> 00:44:16,413
Speaker 2: curther signal gait is is it digit?

718
00:44:16,893 --> 00:44:19,173
Speaker 3: I don't think it's done yet, but you know, because

719
00:44:19,213 --> 00:44:21,853
Speaker 3: I think Democrats are really trying hard to turn it

720
00:44:21,973 --> 00:44:27,693
Speaker 3: into a big scandal. But I feel like, I mean

721
00:44:27,813 --> 00:44:31,053
Speaker 3: even now, like when it when it first happened, I

722
00:44:31,093 --> 00:44:32,533
Speaker 3: was running about it a lot because there was a

723
00:44:32,573 --> 00:44:34,573
Speaker 3: lot to say, there's a lot of narratives to counter.

724
00:44:35,933 --> 00:44:38,573
Speaker 3: Not so much anymore. I feel like interest in it

725
00:44:38,613 --> 00:44:41,933
Speaker 3: is waning. I've seen toils that that have shown that

726
00:44:42,133 --> 00:44:45,613
Speaker 3: it's really not an issue that people are that concerned about.

727
00:44:45,733 --> 00:44:49,813
Speaker 3: You know, in the end, people care about, you know,

728
00:44:49,853 --> 00:44:52,853
Speaker 3: the riots more than this kind of inside the belt

729
00:44:52,893 --> 00:44:58,733
Speaker 3: weigh stuff. And I don't see it really having a

730
00:44:58,773 --> 00:45:02,733
Speaker 3: lot of legs, and you know, going forward the next

731
00:45:03,053 --> 00:45:04,493
Speaker 3: you know, a week or so, I think it's gonna

732
00:45:04,533 --> 00:45:07,653
Speaker 3: be kind of stories when they first break you know

733
00:45:07,773 --> 00:45:10,053
Speaker 3: this that the they get a lot of attention first,

734
00:45:10,093 --> 00:45:12,493
Speaker 3: and then people move on to how those things and

735
00:45:12,533 --> 00:45:15,213
Speaker 3: it's exactly what's going to happen with this greetcause in

736
00:45:15,253 --> 00:45:19,013
Speaker 3: the end, nothing really bad happened here. Uh, you know,

737
00:45:19,053 --> 00:45:23,093
Speaker 3: it was a situation not good. I believe, I'm at

738
00:45:23,213 --> 00:45:27,653
Speaker 3: first in it. It's it's bad that Jeffrey Goldberg was

739
00:45:27,733 --> 00:45:31,493
Speaker 3: somehow included on this chat. However, I think the work

740
00:45:31,573 --> 00:45:34,933
Speaker 3: question is how to get there because we know that

741
00:45:35,773 --> 00:45:39,493
Speaker 3: this this wasn't a situation where it was highly classified

742
00:45:39,533 --> 00:45:41,933
Speaker 3: information that was sure that he got hold of. We

743
00:45:42,053 --> 00:45:45,613
Speaker 3: know that we know that there were ner names or

744
00:45:45,733 --> 00:45:48,293
Speaker 3: targets that were included in this in this chat that

745
00:45:48,493 --> 00:45:54,573
Speaker 3: he wasn't suddenly given access to the locations of where

746
00:45:54,613 --> 00:45:57,133
Speaker 3: they're targeting or hat or it was being done. The

747
00:45:57,493 --> 00:45:59,933
Speaker 3: actual content that was in the chat was really kind

748
00:45:59,973 --> 00:46:03,213
Speaker 3: of a nothing. But they're still trying really hard to

749
00:46:03,293 --> 00:46:06,693
Speaker 3: make this a situation that's going to be the bad

750
00:46:06,773 --> 00:46:11,093
Speaker 3: thing for Post and Trump because you know, the one

751
00:46:11,213 --> 00:46:17,893
Speaker 3: event that really tanked Joe Biden's presidency was the ash

752
00:46:18,013 --> 00:46:21,893
Speaker 3: withdrawal from from Afghanisteine. That was the key movement that

753
00:46:22,093 --> 00:46:25,453
Speaker 3: sin his approval ratings and see sentim under ratter where

754
00:46:25,493 --> 00:46:29,493
Speaker 3: they stay for the remainder of his presidency, and Democrats

755
00:46:29,533 --> 00:46:32,973
Speaker 3: are kind of looking for that watershed moment, that that

756
00:46:33,693 --> 00:46:37,853
Speaker 3: that key story that that's going to just completely evaporate

757
00:46:37,933 --> 00:46:39,213
Speaker 3: Trump's political capital.

758
00:46:39,533 --> 00:46:40,373
Speaker 2: They think this is it.

759
00:46:40,813 --> 00:46:45,213
Speaker 3: It's not that they're going to keep trying, But in

760
00:46:45,293 --> 00:46:47,253
Speaker 3: the end, I just don't I just don't see how

761
00:46:47,293 --> 00:46:50,413
Speaker 3: that's going to happen. Nobody, nobody died here. Uh, the

762
00:46:51,773 --> 00:46:56,093
Speaker 3: military operation was this success. And the real issue we're

763
00:46:56,133 --> 00:46:58,253
Speaker 3: going to have to get to the from this whole

764
00:46:58,333 --> 00:47:01,293
Speaker 3: thing is how did how did Goldberg get on this chat?

765
00:47:01,413 --> 00:47:03,933
Speaker 3: Who's responsible for and how to be made sure this

766
00:47:04,013 --> 00:47:04,613
Speaker 3: doesn't happening.

767
00:47:04,933 --> 00:47:08,853
Speaker 2: Well, I'm looking, I'm looking and waiting for body to

768
00:47:08,933 --> 00:47:12,693
Speaker 2: be identified who did this with the intents, with the

769
00:47:12,853 --> 00:47:17,453
Speaker 2: intent of the out of the outcome, because I can't

770
00:47:17,453 --> 00:47:19,253
Speaker 2: see how this could have happened any other way than

771
00:47:19,373 --> 00:47:22,813
Speaker 2: intentionally by why some somebody who's not on the team.

772
00:47:23,373 --> 00:47:26,013
Speaker 3: That's that's kin of my feeling as well. You know,

773
00:47:26,493 --> 00:47:30,453
Speaker 3: it was National Security Advisor Mike Waltz who set up

774
00:47:30,493 --> 00:47:34,773
Speaker 3: the chat, And I don't see how anyone involved in

775
00:47:34,853 --> 00:47:38,053
Speaker 3: this chat. You know, these are all Trump officials here,

776
00:47:38,693 --> 00:47:42,853
Speaker 3: why would any of them have Jeffrey Goldberg in their contacts?

777
00:47:44,053 --> 00:47:48,373
Speaker 3: Goldberg has a history of writing bogus pieces about Trump

778
00:47:48,413 --> 00:47:52,773
Speaker 3: publishing them. You know, there was a few different stories

779
00:47:52,813 --> 00:47:55,253
Speaker 3: that that he is the stubs where they've they have

780
00:47:55,413 --> 00:47:58,293
Speaker 3: been the bound rather quickly. This is not a guy

781
00:47:58,413 --> 00:48:02,013
Speaker 3: who people in them from Trump administration are going to

782
00:48:02,573 --> 00:48:05,933
Speaker 3: to leak information so that you know, this guts reporter.

783
00:48:06,173 --> 00:48:08,933
Speaker 3: He was not that guy. So the us is is

784
00:48:09,613 --> 00:48:12,573
Speaker 3: who put who put him in the chat and was

785
00:48:12,653 --> 00:48:16,253
Speaker 3: it really an accident or was it somebody who was

786
00:48:16,373 --> 00:48:19,573
Speaker 3: like Jeffrey Garblig is the kind of guy who if

787
00:48:19,613 --> 00:48:22,253
Speaker 3: he gets included on this thing, if there's something big

788
00:48:22,333 --> 00:48:24,573
Speaker 3: that happens, he can write this. He can write the

789
00:48:24,613 --> 00:48:28,973
Speaker 3: story that I want, uh and just totally undermine the administration.

790
00:48:29,053 --> 00:48:30,853
Speaker 3: And the thing is, this is not out of this

791
00:48:31,013 --> 00:48:33,213
Speaker 3: is not something that's been out of the ram of possibility.

792
00:48:33,373 --> 00:48:36,733
Speaker 3: There were people who served in the first Trump administration

793
00:48:36,973 --> 00:48:40,133
Speaker 3: who were absolutely one hundred percent trying to undermine him.

794
00:48:40,973 --> 00:48:43,173
Speaker 3: And I think he's done a good job of assumbing

795
00:48:43,253 --> 00:48:46,973
Speaker 3: a team this time around where that is less of

796
00:48:46,973 --> 00:48:49,853
Speaker 3: an issue. But there's probably no way that it's gonna

797
00:48:49,853 --> 00:48:53,533
Speaker 3: be zero percent possibility. There's gonna be some people who

798
00:48:53,853 --> 00:48:58,053
Speaker 3: are in there, staffers or aids, whatever that's are that

799
00:48:58,173 --> 00:49:02,293
Speaker 3: are thinking, I'm gonna I'm gonna be the true patriot

800
00:49:02,333 --> 00:49:06,453
Speaker 3: who undemanags Trump and it gets the impeached again. And uh,

801
00:49:06,773 --> 00:49:09,733
Speaker 3: you know it, I think I think that's what we're seeing.

802
00:49:09,893 --> 00:49:13,333
Speaker 3: And you know, I haven't seen any anything come out

803
00:49:13,893 --> 00:49:16,333
Speaker 3: since this broke to convince me otherwise.

804
00:49:16,773 --> 00:49:20,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me finish up with those two things. You

805
00:49:20,293 --> 00:49:23,653
Speaker 2: write a piece today. Here's what the stranded astronauts have

806
00:49:23,813 --> 00:49:27,053
Speaker 2: to say about Trump and Musk. Give us give us

807
00:49:27,053 --> 00:49:29,173
Speaker 2: a brief description of what they had to say.

808
00:49:29,493 --> 00:49:31,933
Speaker 3: Well, what they said, bariously it was was that they

809
00:49:31,973 --> 00:49:36,333
Speaker 3: were grateful for for Trump and for Elon Musk stepping

810
00:49:36,413 --> 00:49:38,653
Speaker 3: in and making sure that they got home.

811
00:49:38,813 --> 00:49:41,093
Speaker 2: These are two astronauts.

812
00:49:42,693 --> 00:49:47,333
Speaker 3: That have been had been in space for getting close

813
00:49:47,373 --> 00:49:49,333
Speaker 3: to a year, and they were only supposed to be

814
00:49:49,373 --> 00:49:52,373
Speaker 3: there for for I think about eight to nine days,

815
00:49:53,773 --> 00:49:58,213
Speaker 3: and they could have been home sooner. Now that the

816
00:49:58,293 --> 00:50:00,693
Speaker 3: reason why they were up there the fault of their

817
00:50:00,773 --> 00:50:02,653
Speaker 3: own you know, they went up around the Bowling star

818
00:50:02,773 --> 00:50:07,493
Speaker 3: Liner and there's some thruster issues and leagues that you know,

819
00:50:08,053 --> 00:50:10,613
Speaker 3: this psition was it's not safe for these guys to

820
00:50:10,653 --> 00:50:13,093
Speaker 3: come back on the on on this so they're going

821
00:50:13,133 --> 00:50:17,933
Speaker 3: to stay up there at the International Space Station. Duh.

822
00:50:18,573 --> 00:50:22,213
Speaker 3: The bad administration could have brought them home sooner, but

823
00:50:22,813 --> 00:50:26,933
Speaker 3: Elon Musk came out and supported Donald Trump. Elon Musk,

824
00:50:27,093 --> 00:50:32,933
Speaker 3: who're in SpaceX offers to bring these astronauts home, and

825
00:50:33,533 --> 00:50:36,853
Speaker 3: the Biden INSU mission just didn't didn't take them up

826
00:50:36,853 --> 00:50:40,453
Speaker 3: on it because they didn't want Musk, a Trump ally

827
00:50:40,613 --> 00:50:42,293
Speaker 3: to have a man, because it would it would have

828
00:50:42,373 --> 00:50:48,013
Speaker 3: made Trump looked good right before the election. And you know,

829
00:50:48,613 --> 00:50:51,893
Speaker 3: space travel is not you know, as much as for

830
00:50:52,253 --> 00:50:55,933
Speaker 3: the decades that we've been doing it, it's still very dangerous.

831
00:50:55,973 --> 00:50:59,573
Speaker 3: It's not routine. Unplanned space travel is very very risky.

832
00:51:00,213 --> 00:51:04,573
Speaker 3: And having these astronauts up there for you know, I'm

833
00:51:04,893 --> 00:51:07,373
Speaker 3: for the other year, when are supposed to be there

834
00:51:07,373 --> 00:51:10,733
Speaker 3: for a few days, complicates things. Yeah, I mean, this

835
00:51:10,813 --> 00:51:15,293
Speaker 3: is stuff that's way beyond my expertise. But still, I mean,

836
00:51:15,533 --> 00:51:19,013
Speaker 3: we're talking nearly three hundred days compared to the eight

837
00:51:19,093 --> 00:51:21,413
Speaker 3: that were planned. That they should have been brought home sooner.

838
00:51:22,853 --> 00:51:27,373
Speaker 3: And I think that, you know, I don't know politically

839
00:51:27,453 --> 00:51:31,173
Speaker 3: how these tile these two astronauts where they where they stand,

840
00:51:31,293 --> 00:51:35,533
Speaker 3: but I think they've recognized that This is some of

841
00:51:35,573 --> 00:51:39,133
Speaker 3: that should have transfummed politics, and they should have been

842
00:51:39,173 --> 00:51:41,893
Speaker 3: bat home sooner. In the grateful that Trump and Elon

843
00:51:42,013 --> 00:51:43,213
Speaker 3: Musk were able to get them back.

844
00:51:43,253 --> 00:51:45,173
Speaker 2: Well, let's I forget that they didn't come home sooner

845
00:51:45,213 --> 00:51:51,693
Speaker 2: because Biden declined the offer of a ride. Right, So,

846
00:51:52,413 --> 00:51:56,373
Speaker 2: I think this exemplifies some something important. Though, as you right,

847
00:51:56,533 --> 00:52:00,533
Speaker 2: as expected, liftusweated the full damage control after the astronauts

848
00:52:00,573 --> 00:52:04,173
Speaker 2: returned home. They were desperate to downplay the Biden administration's

849
00:52:04,213 --> 00:52:08,893
Speaker 2: refusal to bring them home sooner. MSNBC love of claimed

850
00:52:08,933 --> 00:52:15,333
Speaker 2: that the astronauts were never actually stranded, while former astronauts

851
00:52:15,333 --> 00:52:19,133
Speaker 2: Scott Kelly, the twin brother of Senator Mark Kelly, insisted

852
00:52:19,373 --> 00:52:23,693
Speaker 2: that they always had a ride home. As you say,

853
00:52:24,173 --> 00:52:27,093
Speaker 2: if that were the case, why did it take nearly

854
00:52:27,133 --> 00:52:30,973
Speaker 2: a year to bring them back? But then you then

855
00:52:31,013 --> 00:52:34,453
Speaker 2: you conclude with the fact that the NASA confirmed confirmed

856
00:52:34,533 --> 00:52:37,053
Speaker 2: that the astronauts would not be home now had it

857
00:52:37,173 --> 00:52:41,613
Speaker 2: not been for Trump's intervention. But they will try anything,

858
00:52:41,653 --> 00:52:43,853
Speaker 2: and they don't care. They lie through their teeth.

859
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Speaker 3: The thing is that they can get away with it

860
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Speaker 3: because they the luck expects that the media is going

861
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Speaker 3: to frust their narrative. And so that's why you know

862
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Speaker 3: they can gone n SMBC and say it, because the

863
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Speaker 3: people in the n SNBC are not going to challenge

864
00:52:58,173 --> 00:53:00,773
Speaker 3: that narrative. They're going to say, oh, you know, you're right,

865
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Speaker 3: this is whole thing is being you know, they're going

866
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Speaker 3: to accuse Trump of trying to politicize this whole thing.

867
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Speaker 3: And the thing is he was politicized well before Trump

868
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Speaker 3: even took office. It was Joe Biden who politicized it.

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Speaker 3: Who beers for basis saying we's just keep those asternints

870
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Speaker 3: up there entire after the election.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And finally, finally, the latest blow to European democracy

872
00:53:25,213 --> 00:53:28,293
Speaker 2: judge rules of Marine La Penn ineligible. That's today's news

873
00:53:28,333 --> 00:53:33,133
Speaker 2: also or yesterday's news when the podcast is released. This

874
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Speaker 2: is this is just another example of the of the

875
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Speaker 2: judiciary in democracies playing a different game, is it not.

876
00:53:42,853 --> 00:53:48,813
Speaker 2: You've got Romania. They arrested their chief opposition leader and

877
00:53:48,893 --> 00:53:52,453
Speaker 2: I think threw him in jail, made him ineligible. Now

878
00:53:52,773 --> 00:53:56,173
Speaker 2: Marine La Penn, and I might just throw in for

879
00:53:56,253 --> 00:53:59,773
Speaker 2: good measure that we have we have some issues in

880
00:53:59,893 --> 00:54:04,053
Speaker 2: this country with regard to the Supreme Court. That is

881
00:54:04,853 --> 00:54:09,133
Speaker 2: treating itself as being above its rain king. Is this

882
00:54:09,253 --> 00:54:10,693
Speaker 2: going to spread further? Do you think?

883
00:54:10,973 --> 00:54:11,093
Speaker 3: Is it?

884
00:54:11,333 --> 00:54:14,053
Speaker 2: Is it a danger that we really need all need

885
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Speaker 2: to pay attention to.

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00:54:16,253 --> 00:54:18,613
Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely, I mean, I mean look, I mean, if

887
00:54:18,653 --> 00:54:21,693
Speaker 3: you think about it, this is exactly what we were.

888
00:54:21,853 --> 00:54:24,813
Speaker 3: What we saw last year, Democrats were using the courts

889
00:54:24,853 --> 00:54:27,613
Speaker 3: to try to stop Trump from being eligible to be president. Again,

890
00:54:28,213 --> 00:54:31,373
Speaker 3: there many others succeeded. They know that they can use

891
00:54:31,373 --> 00:54:36,533
Speaker 3: the judiciary as as a weapon. Uh and which tells

892
00:54:36,573 --> 00:54:39,493
Speaker 3: you that the judiciary has way too much power. Uh.

893
00:54:39,853 --> 00:54:42,733
Speaker 3: But you know that this is I think we have

894
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Speaker 3: to be really grateful that that it didn't work out

895
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Speaker 3: that Trump was able to beat these these cases and

896
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Speaker 3: and get get re elected, because if it had succeeded

897
00:54:54,053 --> 00:54:57,013
Speaker 3: here in America, then our bets are off. I mean,

898
00:54:57,773 --> 00:55:01,413
Speaker 3: you would you would see this explode, not just in

899
00:55:01,493 --> 00:55:06,413
Speaker 3: America but worldwide. Uh. You know, the every traditional uh

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Speaker 3: you know, Western nation, every single democratic country with somebody

901
00:55:10,933 --> 00:55:15,133
Speaker 3: just deep devolved into you know, these banana republics that

902
00:55:15,453 --> 00:55:19,813
Speaker 3: you were the party and power abuses the government too

903
00:55:20,453 --> 00:55:23,053
Speaker 3: to basically make it impossible for them to to to

904
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Speaker 3: to chunche themselves in power. And you know, I don't

905
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Speaker 3: think a lot of people really understand just how significant

906
00:55:31,453 --> 00:55:36,053
Speaker 3: it was that Trump was able to beat all this, because, uh,

907
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Speaker 3: it would have been a whole new error if if

908
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Speaker 3: they had succeeded. And uh, you know, America is supposed

909
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Speaker 3: to be like kind of beacon, a freedom for the

910
00:55:44,973 --> 00:55:49,293
Speaker 3: for the whole world, and here we are. We had

911
00:55:49,373 --> 00:55:53,293
Speaker 3: the city, the sitting administration, the battery administration literally use

912
00:55:53,333 --> 00:55:57,053
Speaker 3: in the court system to try to stop his baden's

913
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Speaker 3: chief political opponent from being able to come back into

914
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Speaker 3: the White House. Uh, this, this is this is a

915
00:56:03,973 --> 00:56:09,413
Speaker 3: huge situation, a huge problem that could have become just

916
00:56:09,693 --> 00:56:15,573
Speaker 3: perhaps the the end of the American experiment altogether. And uh,

917
00:56:15,773 --> 00:56:19,253
Speaker 3: without without America reading the way and shown the rest

918
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Speaker 3: of what has done, I don't know where. Yeah, and

919
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Speaker 3: it's uh, it's scary to think just how close we

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Speaker 3: came to that.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, Matt you you highly endorsed by Mike Levin. I've

922
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Speaker 2: saved that till the end, and I think that's a

923
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Speaker 2: magnificent endorsement. The Margolis Manifesto, PJ Media, where else can

924
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Speaker 2: fuck read you? Well, those are the two.

925
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Speaker 3: Main things, you know, I write daily over at Pjmedia

926
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Speaker 3: dot com. And then the Margolis Manifesto is my newsletter

927
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Speaker 3: and you can go there, go to Matt Marcoles dot

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Speaker 3: com and sign up for that, and uh, that's probably

929
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Speaker 3: the best.

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Speaker 2: Those are the two best places to reach me.

931
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Speaker 3: And the courses also Facebook and and X as well.

932
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Speaker 2: Thank you for your time. I told you you'd be

933
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Speaker 2: free in an hour and I'm scraping in by one minute.

934
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Speaker 2: Oh thanks Soro Reuch for having me now podcast two

935
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Speaker 2: seven eight in the mail room with missus producer sitting

936
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Speaker 2: here waiting patiently. How are you late?

937
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Speaker 3: And I'm great? How are you?

938
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Speaker 2: I'm very well.

939
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Speaker 3: Thank you.

940
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Speaker 2: So let's knock this off because there are things to

941
00:57:43,333 --> 00:57:46,533
Speaker 2: be done. I have things to be done this time, so.

942
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Speaker 3: Go for it.

943
00:57:47,933 --> 00:57:51,373
Speaker 4: Layton Peter says, My wife and I were always big

944
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Speaker 4: fans of yours. We had a holiday in and around

945
00:57:53,893 --> 00:57:57,653
Speaker 4: New Orleans because of your effusive praise, the best holiday

946
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Speaker 4: we've ever had. I have a high respect for guy Hatschhad,

947
00:58:01,053 --> 00:58:04,413
Speaker 4: but he doesn't get it all right. For instance, there

948
00:58:04,533 --> 00:58:07,533
Speaker 4: is no credible evidence that any virus has ever existed

949
00:58:08,013 --> 00:58:12,293
Speaker 4: that using proper science process to isolate then specify a

950
00:58:12,653 --> 00:58:16,333
Speaker 4: virus there are, of course man made organisms, in particular

951
00:58:16,413 --> 00:58:20,373
Speaker 4: as germ warfare or bioweapons, and then Peter goes on

952
00:58:20,533 --> 00:58:24,613
Speaker 4: to send you some links latent. Next, consider the vastly

953
00:58:24,733 --> 00:58:28,893
Speaker 4: greater evidence that the Darwinian evolution theory is false. There

954
00:58:29,013 --> 00:58:33,133
Speaker 4: is overwhelming evidence that human DNA was modified several times

955
00:58:33,253 --> 00:58:39,053
Speaker 4: over history using some form of alien technology. Next, consider

956
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Speaker 4: that the millions of people who died supposedly from COVID and.

957
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Speaker 2: Wuhan in fact died from five G radiation.

958
00:58:46,733 --> 00:58:50,933
Speaker 4: Thousands of five G towers were activated immediately before these deaths.

959
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Speaker 4: There is a long history of health issues as soon

960
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Speaker 4: as any EMF radiation starts, including when Morse code started

961
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Speaker 4: being sent by cable in the eighteen hundreds. Check to

962
00:59:03,213 --> 00:59:05,973
Speaker 4: the impossibility of so called virus is being spread by

963
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Speaker 4: touch or through the air. The correct history of the

964
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Speaker 4: Spanish flu provides the best evidence. And then Peter goes

965
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Speaker 4: on to say, it is a very complex story, but

966
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Speaker 4: the full picture is that the whole COVID fiasco was

967
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Speaker 4: a meticulously planned depopulation agenda over some twenty years. It

968
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Speaker 4: did not suddenly start in late twenty nineteen. And then

969
00:59:29,893 --> 00:59:33,173
Speaker 4: Peter says, late, and this is just for starters. And

970
00:59:33,773 --> 00:59:35,933
Speaker 4: then he lets you know that he and his wife

971
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Speaker 4: moved from Auckland to Kens in two thousand and four,

972
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Speaker 4: and he says, I was a management consultant and led

973
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Speaker 4: the restructuring of several government departments and corporations during and

974
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Speaker 4: after the David Longi government. Before that, I was the

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Speaker 4: general manager of the Auckland Star. And he is He

976
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Speaker 4: signs himself off as a management consultant and senior consulting principle,

977
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Speaker 4: so he knows what he's talking about, doesn't he.

978
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Speaker 2: Well, here, we think you well, let's put it this way.

979
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Speaker 2: I hadn't read that. I invite any of all to

980
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Speaker 2: go back and listen to that again and then write

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Speaker 2: a reply to it, and I'll be very intrigued to

982
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Speaker 2: see what comes in good idea. Dear Latnan, Carolyn, what

983
01:00:22,133 --> 01:00:25,333
Speaker 2: a wonderful discussion this time with Guy Hatchett. The clear,

984
01:00:25,613 --> 01:00:28,373
Speaker 2: errordite way in which you both expose the truth about

985
01:00:28,413 --> 01:00:32,653
Speaker 2: COVID and biotechnology in general is surely something that will

986
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Speaker 2: wake up anyone who has hitherto been blind to it all.

987
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Speaker 3: Hm.

988
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Speaker 2: I think your letter in my letter clash a little.

989
01:00:41,413 --> 01:00:45,213
Speaker 2: This is especially so with the proposed Gene Technology Bill,

990
01:00:45,293 --> 01:00:49,093
Speaker 2: which Government flash Parliament seems determined to ram through onto

991
01:00:49,213 --> 01:00:54,613
Speaker 2: us despite any concerns and to hell with what the

992
01:00:54,693 --> 01:00:58,053
Speaker 2: public think. Now I have to tell you that's from

993
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Speaker 2: a retired GP Steve. I appreciate that, Thank you, Leighton.

994
01:01:05,773 --> 01:01:08,173
Speaker 4: Nick says, I've just listened to your podcast with dot

995
01:01:08,253 --> 01:01:10,893
Speaker 4: or Guy Hatchild on what really happened with the recent

996
01:01:11,053 --> 01:01:15,333
Speaker 4: COVID nineteen pandemic. I've always been a COVID nineteen vaccine

997
01:01:15,373 --> 01:01:17,373
Speaker 4: skeptic and would like to let you know that there

998
01:01:17,413 --> 01:01:20,933
Speaker 4: are now very good reasons for being so. And then

999
01:01:21,053 --> 01:01:24,613
Speaker 4: Nick goes on to refer some attachments to you to

1000
01:01:24,773 --> 01:01:30,013
Speaker 4: LAG which I'm sure you've seen, talking of myocarditis and increase,

1001
01:01:30,253 --> 01:01:34,133
Speaker 4: an increase of cerebral thrombosis and other things, he says,

1002
01:01:34,173 --> 01:01:37,773
Speaker 4: and still the vaccine has not been worthdrawn. Perhaps in

1003
01:01:37,853 --> 01:01:40,613
Speaker 4: your role as a podcaster, you can exert some influence

1004
01:01:40,693 --> 01:01:43,493
Speaker 4: and get the Health Minister Simeon Brown on your program

1005
01:01:43,573 --> 01:01:46,973
Speaker 4: with a please explain for your interest. I've sent the

1006
01:01:47,013 --> 01:01:49,893
Speaker 4: same attachments to the Prime Minister leaders of the Coalition

1007
01:01:50,053 --> 01:01:53,893
Speaker 4: Simeon Brown and Shane Retti. I have taken this action

1008
01:01:54,053 --> 01:01:58,413
Speaker 4: because the gene Technology bill will allow biotechnologists a free

1009
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Speaker 4: reign to take risks that are likely to result in

1010
01:02:01,213 --> 01:02:06,133
Speaker 4: similar outcomes. The question that must be asked is are

1011
01:02:06,213 --> 01:02:09,093
Speaker 4: they deliberately trying to kill us? Perhaps in your role

1012
01:02:09,093 --> 01:02:10,933
Speaker 4: as a well known podcast you might be able to

1013
01:02:10,973 --> 01:02:14,493
Speaker 4: put this to the appropriate minister. And Nick says, I

1014
01:02:14,533 --> 01:02:17,293
Speaker 4: will leave this information and there's a bit of it

1015
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Speaker 4: to follow in your capable hands.

1016
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Speaker 2: I thank you. There are a number of suggestions be

1017
01:02:23,453 --> 01:02:26,413
Speaker 2: made to me of recent times, and I'm not fond

1018
01:02:26,493 --> 01:02:29,733
Speaker 2: of any of them really, and I have my reasons

1019
01:02:30,653 --> 01:02:35,533
Speaker 2: which I don't want to expose yet maybe never, but

1020
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Speaker 2: I've had some very strong feelings.

1021
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Speaker 3: I wonder what that's all about.

1022
01:02:42,413 --> 01:02:43,693
Speaker 4: Your guess is as good as mine.

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Speaker 2: People from Simba from Melbourne. I appreciate your podcast very much, sir,

1024
01:02:53,053 --> 01:02:55,933
Speaker 2: and I commend you for a great discussion with Guy Hatchett.

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Speaker 2: There is something you mentioned in two double seven about

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Speaker 2: the Democrat Party that I think you stated that the

1027
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Speaker 2: saying goes today's Democrat Party is not the party of

1028
01:03:06,053 --> 01:03:12,253
Speaker 2: your grandparents or parents. I beg to differ. The Democrat

1029
01:03:12,333 --> 01:03:15,493
Speaker 2: Party is the party of slavery, It is the party

1030
01:03:15,533 --> 01:03:19,933
Speaker 2: of segregation and its members formed the klu Klux Klan.

1031
01:03:20,293 --> 01:03:25,413
Speaker 2: Its members created the abortion clinics deceptively named Planned Parenthood.

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Speaker 2: Many of these clinics were strategically placed in black neighborhoods

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01:03:29,413 --> 01:03:33,413
Speaker 2: because the founders of PP were eugenists. It is the

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Speaker 2: party of Woodrow Wilson, the Racist and the Great fdr,

1035
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Speaker 2: whose administration put Japanese people in internment camps. He also

1036
01:03:42,653 --> 01:03:46,933
Speaker 2: denied Jews fleeing the Holocaust entry into America. The Democrat

1037
01:03:47,013 --> 01:03:50,933
Speaker 2: Party is the party that overwhelmingly opposed civil rights legislation

1038
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Speaker 2: and destroyed Black American families through welfare. It's the party

1039
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Speaker 2: of the Weather Underground, Antifa, Black Lives Matter, and Now.

1040
01:03:59,613 --> 01:04:03,693
Speaker 2: It is the party of communism, open borders, and critical

1041
01:04:03,773 --> 01:04:07,733
Speaker 2: race theory. It's the party of child mutilation through genderism.

1042
01:04:08,333 --> 01:04:12,493
Speaker 2: This party denies biological differences between males and females. It

1043
01:04:12,653 --> 01:04:16,413
Speaker 2: pushes the global warming fraud, and was the force behind

1044
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Speaker 2: the COVID nineteen tyranny. It is the party of Harvey Weinstein,

1045
01:04:21,053 --> 01:04:27,373
Speaker 2: Roman Polanski, Jeffrey Epstein or Epstein, P. Diddy, and many

1046
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Speaker 2: other horrible human beings. The Democrat Party is evil and

1047
01:04:32,373 --> 01:04:35,373
Speaker 2: has always been that way since its creation and it

1048
01:04:35,493 --> 01:04:40,293
Speaker 2: has never been truly held accountable. So I think it

1049
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Speaker 2: is more appropriate to say today's Democrat Party is the

1050
01:04:44,613 --> 01:04:49,133
Speaker 2: party of your grandparents. Now, virtually everything he said there

1051
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Speaker 2: is something I read that I thought, I'm not sure

1052
01:04:52,213 --> 01:04:54,813
Speaker 2: about that, but everything he said there basically is correct.

1053
01:04:55,613 --> 01:04:59,133
Speaker 2: But he's also wrong in his conclusion about the It's

1054
01:04:59,213 --> 01:05:02,733
Speaker 2: not the party of your parents or grandparents. And it's

1055
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Speaker 2: very very simple, Simba. I was well aware of all

1056
01:05:06,533 --> 01:05:10,213
Speaker 2: that you've read I said, and I appreciate it that

1057
01:05:10,333 --> 01:05:13,053
Speaker 2: someone has actually written it to me. The point of

1058
01:05:13,133 --> 01:05:17,853
Speaker 2: the saying is very simple. It's economics. It is that

1059
01:05:18,013 --> 01:05:21,413
Speaker 2: the Democrat Party used to be the party of the

1060
01:05:21,493 --> 01:05:25,213
Speaker 2: middle class. They are no longer. They are the party

1061
01:05:25,293 --> 01:05:29,293
Speaker 2: of the super rich and the state dependent. The Republican

1062
01:05:29,373 --> 01:05:32,613
Speaker 2: Party is now the party of the working class. So

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Speaker 2: there's been a switch and that's why that quote it

1064
01:05:36,093 --> 01:05:38,853
Speaker 2: is not the party of your parents or grandparents. But

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Speaker 2: you are right to remind any and all of the

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Speaker 2: other things that you mentioned.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Layton john says. I listened to the absolute

1068
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Speaker 4: concurrence to your chat with Guy Hatchard some years ago,

1069
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Speaker 4: whilst a director on the now defunct New Zealand meat Board.

1070
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Speaker 4: I did a six week tour of our major markets

1071
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Speaker 4: looking at the potential or otherwise for GMOs in our

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Speaker 4: agricultural systems. My findings were unequivocal. No Way, Jose where

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01:06:06,733 --> 01:06:10,093
Speaker 4: an island nation, so un like other food producers, we

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01:06:10,173 --> 01:06:14,733
Speaker 4: can claim to be genuinely ge free. Such reputational status

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01:06:14,773 --> 01:06:19,253
Speaker 4: fits neatly into our current reputation for nutritional and ethical provenance.

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Speaker 4: Whilst the science has moved from the days of Dolly

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01:06:23,093 --> 01:06:25,893
Speaker 4: the Sheep, it's still evolving and it still risk aares

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Speaker 4: all hell. And then he encloses to you late in

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Speaker 4: an article I submitted to The Farmer's Weekly, basically coming

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01:06:33,933 --> 01:06:37,453
Speaker 4: from a farming and marketing perspective as opposed to Guy's

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01:06:37,573 --> 01:06:41,773
Speaker 4: far more er scientific objections, we reach the same conclusion,

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01:06:42,253 --> 01:06:44,853
Speaker 4: John says. He says, I really think this is a

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Speaker 4: major issue for our New Zealand provenance, and then he

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01:06:48,893 --> 01:06:51,813
Speaker 4: leaves you with this cute little phrase laateon. I tried

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01:06:51,853 --> 01:06:54,133
Speaker 4: to follow the science, but it was simply not there.

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01:06:54,613 --> 01:06:57,773
Speaker 4: I then followed the money. That's where I found the science.

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Speaker 2: Ah from Jim in a podcast titled You're Being Lied

1088
01:07:03,933 --> 01:07:06,653
Speaker 2: To About Cancer, How It's caused and how to stop it.

1089
01:07:07,133 --> 01:07:11,693
Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson interview doctor Patrick Soon Shiong, who invented the

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01:07:11,733 --> 01:07:16,173
Speaker 2: cancer drug abraxene, which is well known for its efficacy

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01:07:16,373 --> 01:07:20,133
Speaker 2: against lung, breast, and pancreatic cancer. The doctor and his

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01:07:20,373 --> 01:07:23,933
Speaker 2: team of scientists discovered that what kills cancer is our

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01:07:23,973 --> 01:07:28,093
Speaker 2: body's natural killer cells and T cells, so they created

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01:07:28,173 --> 01:07:32,253
Speaker 2: T cell cancer vaccines, and because COVID works like cancer,

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01:07:32,773 --> 01:07:36,893
Speaker 2: he and his international team of hundreds of scientists focused

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01:07:36,973 --> 01:07:41,173
Speaker 2: on developing a T cell based vaccine that supercharges the

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01:07:41,253 --> 01:07:45,773
Speaker 2: immune system to clear the COVID virus. As a result,

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01:07:45,853 --> 01:07:52,293
Speaker 2: to dates, doctor Patrick Soon Shung Chiong has not contracted

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01:07:52,373 --> 01:07:56,653
Speaker 2: the COVID virus yet, Francis Collins and Anthony Fauci both

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01:07:56,693 --> 01:08:00,973
Speaker 2: opposed the doctor's efforts and pushed mRNA vaccines instead, which

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01:08:01,093 --> 01:08:03,733
Speaker 2: not only MUCKs around with our genes, but it also

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01:08:03,933 --> 01:08:09,413
Speaker 2: does not clear the COVID virus. As Guy Hatchet, one

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Speaker 2: gene change in our body can upset the delicate fundamentals

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01:08:13,093 --> 01:08:16,893
Speaker 2: of our bodies. Yet political elites like Collins and Fauci

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01:08:17,333 --> 01:08:22,253
Speaker 2: would shut down doctors like Patrick Soon Schong and Robert

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01:08:22,333 --> 01:08:25,773
Speaker 2: Malone and choose to let big farmer experiment with our bodies.

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01:08:26,133 --> 01:08:30,133
Speaker 2: After the mass COVID vaccinations, doctor Patrick soon Schong was

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01:08:30,373 --> 01:08:35,933
Speaker 2: alarmed to see an unprecedented rise in pancreatic cancer, ovarian cancer,

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01:08:36,133 --> 01:08:41,693
Speaker 2: and colon cancer in younger people in his hospitals. I

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01:08:41,733 --> 01:08:44,213
Speaker 2: guess what's done is done. But the moral of the

1111
01:08:44,333 --> 01:08:50,333
Speaker 2: lesson is this, don't genetically engineer anything if you're not God,

1112
01:08:51,333 --> 01:08:55,813
Speaker 2: not the bats, not the mosquitoes, and certainly not the humans.

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Speaker 4: Just quickly, lighton. Max has sent you this something he

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01:09:01,293 --> 01:09:04,613
Speaker 4: has sent to One News. He says, quick one. I

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01:09:04,653 --> 01:09:08,973
Speaker 4: thought i'd share my complaint and feedback to you about

1116
01:09:09,013 --> 01:09:12,413
Speaker 4: One News. And then the piece says, Hi, not really

1117
01:09:12,453 --> 01:09:14,493
Speaker 4: a complaint, just letting you know. I will no longer

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01:09:14,533 --> 01:09:17,493
Speaker 4: be watching your program. It's just too biased and I'm

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01:09:17,493 --> 01:09:19,933
Speaker 4: sick of it. I wish the government would step into

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01:09:20,013 --> 01:09:23,213
Speaker 4: intervene so other voices can be heard that aren't hard left,

1121
01:09:23,413 --> 01:09:27,493
Speaker 4: climate alarming, green and woke. I appreciate you probably won't

1122
01:09:27,573 --> 01:09:30,613
Speaker 4: care until you've broadcast yourselves out of a job and

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01:09:30,773 --> 01:09:32,453
Speaker 4: then expect a government payout.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Max. And then Max says to you loving the podcast, please,

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01:09:38,373 --> 01:09:42,173
Speaker 2: that you are and your comments aren't far from factual.

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01:09:43,613 --> 01:09:44,893
Speaker 3: How would we know we never watch it?

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01:09:45,453 --> 01:09:48,333
Speaker 2: Just I did the other night. I watched the first

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01:09:48,693 --> 01:09:51,733
Speaker 2: that's right, I watch the first segment. Simon was on,

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01:09:51,853 --> 01:09:54,573
Speaker 2: so I could cope basically, but there were a couple

1130
01:09:54,613 --> 01:09:56,173
Speaker 2: of stories there that I wanted to see that we're

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01:09:56,173 --> 01:10:01,373
Speaker 2: contributory to my thinking. Okay, at it later, Yes, that's it, great,

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01:10:01,493 --> 01:10:05,213
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you so much to you. Next week, well, yeah,

1133
01:10:05,773 --> 01:10:06,213
Speaker 2: big week.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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01:10:20,453 --> 01:10:23,893
Speaker 2: I was about to tell you an amusing little story,

1136
01:10:24,213 --> 01:10:26,573
Speaker 2: well thought of amusing, but I think I'll save it,

1137
01:10:27,053 --> 01:10:28,973
Speaker 2: hopefully to the end. All I have to do is

1138
01:10:29,053 --> 01:10:32,573
Speaker 2: remember I want to share with you some of this

1139
01:10:33,133 --> 01:10:38,493
Speaker 2: article by Kurt Schlichter, who I have great admiration for.

1140
01:10:39,413 --> 01:10:42,933
Speaker 2: He wrote a column called the Agony of John Roberts.

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01:10:43,093 --> 01:10:45,973
Speaker 2: John Roberts, of course, being the Chief Justice of the

1142
01:10:46,133 --> 01:10:50,293
Speaker 2: American Supreme Court and the man who is causing much

1143
01:10:50,413 --> 01:10:55,853
Speaker 2: of this legal disruption, he's responsible for it. So pity

1144
01:10:55,893 --> 01:10:59,693
Speaker 2: poor John Roberts. No, he's not corrupt and compromised. No,

1145
01:10:59,893 --> 01:11:03,013
Speaker 2: he's simply a man who has found himself at a

1146
01:11:03,053 --> 01:11:06,853
Speaker 2: pivotal time and place, in a position of great responsibility

1147
01:11:06,933 --> 01:11:09,733
Speaker 2: for which he is utterly un suited. He's not a

1148
01:11:09,813 --> 01:11:12,613
Speaker 2: dumb man. He is, in fact, a very smart man.

1149
01:11:13,293 --> 01:11:17,373
Speaker 2: Hugh Hewitt, who was a broadcaster, knew him personally in

1150
01:11:17,453 --> 01:11:20,573
Speaker 2: the Reagan administration and testifies to that. I have no

1151
01:11:20,693 --> 01:11:23,493
Speaker 2: doubt it's true. I know many smart people who have

1152
01:11:23,653 --> 01:11:27,733
Speaker 2: similar flaws. As objectively intelligent as John Roberts is, he

1153
01:11:27,933 --> 01:11:32,253
Speaker 2: is unwise and he is endangering the institution he wants

1154
01:11:32,333 --> 01:11:36,133
Speaker 2: to preserve because he does not understand human nature all

1155
01:11:36,173 --> 01:11:39,933
Speaker 2: the times he finds himself in Frankly, I'll take wisdom

1156
01:11:40,013 --> 01:11:42,973
Speaker 2: over raw intellect any day of the week. If he

1157
01:11:43,093 --> 01:11:46,573
Speaker 2: had the capacity to lead that he so manifestly lacks,

1158
01:11:47,053 --> 01:11:51,293
Speaker 2: John Roberts could save his institution with decisive and bold action.

1159
01:11:51,933 --> 01:11:55,413
Speaker 2: But that's not who he is. Understand what John Roberts wants.

1160
01:11:56,053 --> 01:11:59,973
Speaker 2: He is an institutionalist who has always wanted to protect

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01:12:00,213 --> 01:12:02,693
Speaker 2: the judiciary branch. He wants it to be a fully

1162
01:12:02,773 --> 01:12:06,973
Speaker 2: coequal branch that is respected by all. But the very

1163
01:12:07,093 --> 01:12:10,653
Speaker 2: actions he has chosen to take or not take in

1164
01:12:10,773 --> 01:12:14,693
Speaker 2: response to the current crisis of out of control subordinate

1165
01:12:14,773 --> 01:12:19,013
Speaker 2: courts are guaranteeing that it will fail. Article three of

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01:12:19,093 --> 01:12:23,493
Speaker 2: our Constitution provides for the judicial branch, but it does

1167
01:12:23,573 --> 01:12:27,053
Speaker 2: not expressly provide the judiciary with any powers other than

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01:12:27,093 --> 01:12:29,933
Speaker 2: those it earns in the eyes of the other two branches,

1169
01:12:30,293 --> 01:12:35,013
Speaker 2: it cannot self enforce its decrees. Article one creates the Congress,

1170
01:12:35,573 --> 01:12:38,933
Speaker 2: and the legislative branch has both the power of the

1171
01:12:39,053 --> 01:12:43,013
Speaker 2: purse and the power to impeach to check the judiciary.

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01:12:43,493 --> 01:12:47,573
Speaker 2: Article two establishes the presidency, but the Constitution does not

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01:12:47,733 --> 01:12:51,413
Speaker 2: specify its checks and balances over the court. That power

1174
01:12:51,573 --> 01:12:55,413
Speaker 2: is implied, and the implied power is for the executive

1175
01:12:55,733 --> 01:12:59,293
Speaker 2: who runs the machinery of the federal government, including the

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01:12:59,373 --> 01:13:03,173
Speaker 2: cogs and gears that carry guns, to simply say no

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01:13:03,613 --> 01:13:07,013
Speaker 2: to an out of control judiciary. This implied power of

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01:13:07,093 --> 01:13:10,693
Speaker 2: defiance is as much a check and balance as any

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01:13:11,013 --> 01:13:14,733
Speaker 2: enumerated one, and without it you would have an unchecked

1180
01:13:14,813 --> 01:13:18,933
Speaker 2: judiciary with hundreds of district court judges presuming to micromanage

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01:13:19,013 --> 01:13:23,533
Speaker 2: the legitimate actions of the executive branch. You know, kind

1182
01:13:23,573 --> 01:13:26,733
Speaker 2: of like what's happening now. Judge Roberts's problem is that

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01:13:26,773 --> 01:13:29,413
Speaker 2: he wants to return to something like regular order in

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01:13:29,533 --> 01:13:33,653
Speaker 2: the judiciary. What we have is highly irregular order. You

1185
01:13:34,053 --> 01:13:38,693
Speaker 2: non lawyers need to understand that all these temporary restraining

1186
01:13:38,813 --> 01:13:42,453
Speaker 2: orders and injunctions and so forth are insane. This is

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01:13:42,573 --> 01:13:48,173
Speaker 2: not how law is done, either procedurally or substantively. I

1188
01:13:48,293 --> 01:13:51,533
Speaker 2: did litigation for thirty years, he says, including in federal

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01:13:51,613 --> 01:13:55,093
Speaker 2: courts up to arguing in front of the Ninth Circuit,

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01:13:55,813 --> 01:14:00,053
Speaker 2: and never saw anything remotely like these antics. So realize

1191
01:14:00,133 --> 01:14:04,493
Speaker 2: that this is abnormal. Abnormal times call for abnormal responses.

1192
01:14:04,813 --> 01:14:07,773
Speaker 2: But that's not how John Roberts or his ilk work.

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01:14:08,453 --> 01:14:12,093
Speaker 2: Remember he's a bushy, the kind of soft Republican who

1194
01:14:12,173 --> 01:14:15,533
Speaker 2: sees his job less as fixing our broken government than

1195
01:14:15,613 --> 01:14:20,333
Speaker 2: managing its gentlemanly decline. We've largely booted them out of

1196
01:14:20,413 --> 01:14:24,413
Speaker 2: elective office, but Roberts has his seat for life. His

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01:14:24,533 --> 01:14:29,893
Speaker 2: advocation is protecting his institution. He wants the judiciary to

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01:14:29,973 --> 01:14:32,933
Speaker 2: be held in respect and obeyed, but he doesn't want

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Speaker 2: to do the hard stem work of disciplining his underlings

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01:14:36,213 --> 01:14:39,453
Speaker 2: that makes that possible. He then goes on to discuss

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01:14:39,613 --> 01:14:43,653
Speaker 2: all aspects of this in a brilliant, brilliant critique. And

1202
01:14:43,813 --> 01:14:46,413
Speaker 2: there I'm going to leave it for the simple reason

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01:14:46,453 --> 01:14:50,453
Speaker 2: that it's very long. Well it's four pages and I

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01:14:50,533 --> 01:14:53,613
Speaker 2: got to one and a half. And I think that

1205
01:14:53,693 --> 01:14:57,173
Speaker 2: if you're interested enough you'll find it for yourself. Kurt Schlichter,

1206
01:14:57,773 --> 01:15:02,013
Speaker 2: s l I. C. Hteer the agony of John Roberts.

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01:15:02,333 --> 01:15:04,293
Speaker 2: Find it, read it. It's on town Hall by the

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01:15:04,333 --> 01:15:08,173
Speaker 2: Way dot com, town hall dot com. Now this morning

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01:15:08,453 --> 01:15:14,173
Speaker 2: comes this report from the Senate. Senator Chuck Grassley introduces

1210
01:15:14,973 --> 01:15:20,813
Speaker 2: Judicial Relief Clarification Act to reign in activist judges. Senate

1211
01:15:20,893 --> 01:15:25,133
Speaker 2: Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley, Republic in Iowa, introduced a

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01:15:25,213 --> 01:15:30,493
Speaker 2: proposal Monday to reign in judicial injunctions like the ones

1213
01:15:30,693 --> 01:15:35,493
Speaker 2: currently hampering President Donald Trump's popular Marga agenda. The Judicial

1214
01:15:35,573 --> 01:15:41,093
Speaker 2: Relief Clarification Act of twenty twenty five JRCA would limit

1215
01:15:41,253 --> 01:15:45,133
Speaker 2: federal court orders to parties directly before the court, ending

1216
01:15:45,173 --> 01:15:49,773
Speaker 2: the practice of universal injunctions. According to the Judicial Committee

1217
01:15:49,813 --> 01:15:52,973
Speaker 2: majority press release, the bill also aims to clarify the

1218
01:15:53,053 --> 01:15:58,733
Speaker 2: constitutional role of the judicial branch. According to the JRCA,

1219
01:15:59,373 --> 01:16:03,333
Speaker 2: there are four points. Number one forbidds federal courts from

1220
01:16:03,493 --> 01:16:07,573
Speaker 2: issuing sweeping relief against the government governments to persons not

1221
01:16:07,693 --> 01:16:11,613
Speaker 2: before the court, ending the practice of universal injunctions, and

1222
01:16:11,733 --> 01:16:16,893
Speaker 2: diminishing the incentive to forum shop for a sympathetic judge. Secondly,

1223
01:16:17,533 --> 01:16:22,093
Speaker 2: requires parties seeking universal relief against the government to use

1224
01:16:22,173 --> 01:16:25,413
Speaker 2: the class action process to show that class wide relief

1225
01:16:25,533 --> 01:16:30,853
Speaker 2: is proper. Number three makes temporary restraining orders to rros

1226
01:16:31,373 --> 01:16:36,733
Speaker 2: immediately appealable, strengthening a palette review, And fourthly amends the

1227
01:16:36,813 --> 01:16:43,333
Speaker 2: Administrative Procedure Act and the Claratory Judgment Act to clarify

1228
01:16:43,453 --> 01:16:47,573
Speaker 2: that courts may only issue relief under those statutes to

1229
01:16:47,813 --> 01:16:51,133
Speaker 2: parties before the court. Now, Senator Grassley will hold a

1230
01:16:51,213 --> 01:16:55,973
Speaker 2: hearing on Wednesday, their time to discuss his legislative solutions

1231
01:16:56,013 --> 01:17:01,893
Speaker 2: to the bipartisan problem of universal injunctions. So we wait

1232
01:17:01,973 --> 01:17:06,493
Speaker 2: to see whether that one flies anywhere. But nevertheless, they're

1233
01:17:06,533 --> 01:17:10,453
Speaker 2: coming together and they're trying, and they need to be

1234
01:17:10,533 --> 01:17:14,053
Speaker 2: effective even faster than they realized, as I think we've

1235
01:17:14,853 --> 01:17:19,573
Speaker 2: established in this podcast in different places. So let me

1236
01:17:19,653 --> 01:17:24,413
Speaker 2: conclude with this little story that I'm involved in in

1237
01:17:24,493 --> 01:17:30,013
Speaker 2: a way. I discovered Massimo Duty, the well essentially men's

1238
01:17:30,013 --> 01:17:33,533
Speaker 2: wear store, although they do sell women's clothing too, But

1239
01:17:33,653 --> 01:17:38,853
Speaker 2: I discovered Massimo Duty in two thousand and seven in

1240
01:17:39,013 --> 01:17:43,533
Speaker 2: Florence when I was there with Christian who was then fourteen,

1241
01:17:44,133 --> 01:17:48,813
Speaker 2: and we were having a look at Italy first. Then

1242
01:17:48,893 --> 01:17:51,893
Speaker 2: we went to France, which was his favorite, and generally

1243
01:17:51,973 --> 01:17:54,573
Speaker 2: had a damn good time. But nevertheless, I bought in

1244
01:17:54,653 --> 01:17:58,733
Speaker 2: this Massimo Duty store in Florence. I bought a pair

1245
01:17:58,773 --> 01:18:01,653
Speaker 2: of genes. I still have them. I love them. I

1246
01:18:01,813 --> 01:18:04,133
Speaker 2: love Massimo Duty, but I don't love it as much

1247
01:18:04,133 --> 01:18:06,933
Speaker 2: as I used to. They now make the sort of

1248
01:18:07,173 --> 01:18:10,093
Speaker 2: clothing for men, with exceptions that I'll get to in

1249
01:18:10,173 --> 01:18:14,613
Speaker 2: a second, but they make clothing for men that is pathetic.

1250
01:18:15,093 --> 01:18:17,213
Speaker 2: You can buy it any that sort of stuff anywhere.

1251
01:18:17,653 --> 01:18:22,373
Speaker 2: It just hangs on you. They use gormless, ghastly young

1252
01:18:22,853 --> 01:18:27,053
Speaker 2: males to model them. I mean they gormless needs needs

1253
01:18:27,093 --> 01:18:30,133
Speaker 2: an upgrade. Actually, as far as they're concerned, I can't

1254
01:18:30,173 --> 01:18:32,413
Speaker 2: watch the I can't look them up online, and I

1255
01:18:32,493 --> 01:18:37,453
Speaker 2: can't watch the videos they have. They're awful now. They

1256
01:18:38,413 --> 01:18:41,053
Speaker 2: have adopted this approach for reasons best known to them.

1257
01:18:41,973 --> 01:18:44,013
Speaker 2: The last Massimo dirty store I was in was in

1258
01:18:44,093 --> 01:18:48,093
Speaker 2: London eighteen months ago, and there was a salon and

1259
01:18:48,213 --> 01:18:51,413
Speaker 2: it was I went in during the day when young

1260
01:18:51,493 --> 01:18:53,533
Speaker 2: people were either working or in school or whatever, and

1261
01:18:53,933 --> 01:18:57,413
Speaker 2: all I saw were these older men who were there

1262
01:18:57,613 --> 01:19:01,173
Speaker 2: looking for bargains. And I thought, with the approach they're

1263
01:19:01,213 --> 01:19:04,733
Speaker 2: taking today. They're not hooking these guys, but they do

1264
01:19:05,653 --> 01:19:09,973
Speaker 2: have things in store that they don't necessarily advertise. I

1265
01:19:10,133 --> 01:19:14,293
Speaker 2: have a jacket that I Caradon loves it a It's

1266
01:19:14,373 --> 01:19:18,013
Speaker 2: not a sports jacket, it's not a dress jacket. It's

1267
01:19:18,093 --> 01:19:21,453
Speaker 2: a jacket sort of that you just don't see. I've

1268
01:19:21,493 --> 01:19:24,053
Speaker 2: never seen one like it, and I'm hanging on to

1269
01:19:24,173 --> 01:19:26,973
Speaker 2: it for goodness sake. And you pick them up in store,

1270
01:19:27,373 --> 01:19:30,573
Speaker 2: and they have different clothing in different places, like at

1271
01:19:31,493 --> 01:19:34,413
Speaker 2: Dubai Airport, they have a store and you'll find things

1272
01:19:34,453 --> 01:19:36,853
Speaker 2: there that you won't find in the city. So why

1273
01:19:36,893 --> 01:19:39,573
Speaker 2: am I rabbiting on about this? Well, they started a

1274
01:19:39,613 --> 01:19:45,453
Speaker 2: new campaign and I got notification of it at nine

1275
01:19:45,773 --> 01:19:50,613
Speaker 2: twenty three yesterday morning. The Bring your Bag initiative has

1276
01:19:50,653 --> 01:19:53,853
Speaker 2: been created with the goal of moving toward a more

1277
01:19:53,933 --> 01:19:57,733
Speaker 2: efficient consumption of resources and promoting the reuse of bags

1278
01:19:57,773 --> 01:20:01,733
Speaker 2: in our stores. Durned the page. It's got pictures. That

1279
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Speaker 2: is why, after replacing plastic bags with new recycled paper options,

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Speaker 2: we decided to win encourage you to bring your own

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Speaker 2: reusable alternative when you visit our stores. Thanks to you,

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Speaker 2: our group reduced its paper bag consumption by over fifty

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Speaker 2: percent last year. If you still need a bag when

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Speaker 2: you visit us. The symbolic value of each of our

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Speaker 2: bags goes entirely to support environmental projects in over twenty markets,

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Speaker 2: from protecting ecosystems with the WWF to improving access to

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Speaker 2: water with water dot org to promoting regenerative agriculture with

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Speaker 2: Conservation International. I'll bet you even if the money goes there,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't go where it should in its entirety, by

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Speaker 2: any stretch of the imagination they finish up with, we

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Speaker 2: want to boost change forever. Police, give me a break.

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Speaker 2: Will I buy mesimoduty when I'm over in Europe in

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Speaker 2: a few months, only if I can find the sort

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Speaker 2: of thing that I've mentioned that I like that you

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Speaker 2: find only by going there and looking. I shall report

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Speaker 2: after the event that will take us out for forgive

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Speaker 2: me for my little tirade. But I know that some

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Speaker 2: of you shop there as well. You'll be excited about that.

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Speaker 2: Now we shall return shortly, but in the meantime, if

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Speaker 2: you'd like to correspond with us Latent at newstalksb dot

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Speaker 2: co dot nz or Carolyn at newstalksb dot co dot Nz.

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Speaker 2: So back again, in a few days time. Until then,

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Speaker 2: as always, thank you for listening and we'll talk soon.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for more from News Talks B.

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