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Speaker 1: Andrew seervels with us along with Jason pine Fellows. Good

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Speaker 1: Morning Monic, Morning mate, Andrew, what do you make of it?

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Speaker 2: Wow? We want the truth, but it seems Nitball believes

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Speaker 2: we can't handle the truth. Quite odd Really, was that

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Speaker 2: Dame Noling Totra wouldn't know what she's done wrong and

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Speaker 2: there was no investigation?

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Speaker 1: Do you believe that? Here's what I took out of it.

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Speaker 1: I believe there was no investigation because she was unequivocal

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Speaker 1: in that. I believe that she wasn't told directly. But

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Speaker 1: what I can't believe is the rest of it. In

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Speaker 1: my truth, I've got lawyers. I mean, clearly she's been

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Speaker 1: shut down and there's some sort of NDA, and if

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Speaker 1: you're going to stay that will apologize internally or will

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Speaker 1: do whatever's necessary, but don't go back as publicly. I

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Speaker 1: think that's what.

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Speaker 2: Even under employment law, wouldn't she still be told what

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Speaker 2: she has done apparently wrong?

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Speaker 3: Of course, of course, not just employment law, but common sense.

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Speaker 3: If you called into a meet of such gravity and

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Speaker 3: then not told the reason why you are there, like

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Speaker 3: you asked her, Mike, what have they been doing for

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Speaker 3: two months? If not telling her the nature of the

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Speaker 3: allegations against her. I think we can all put ourselves

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Speaker 3: in her position and say, if we're called into a

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Speaker 3: meeting about our employment and told that our employment is

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Speaker 3: under question in severe risk, and yet not told why

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Speaker 3: we are even sitting in that room. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: just don't think most of us can can get our

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, here the thing is, Mike teams talk, players talk,

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Speaker 2: management talk. Should be well aware of who the players were,

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Speaker 2: yes or are that that complained? And I'm sure she'd

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Speaker 2: be this type of coach type of person that would

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Speaker 2: sit down with those players and say, look, da da

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Speaker 2: da da da, do you want to play for me

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Speaker 2: or not? If you don't bug her off?

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Speaker 1: Sure, exactly, yep. But that's what that's the part I

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Speaker 1: can't understand. And I mean I was going to say,

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Speaker 1: but the problem is they won't say anything because they've

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Speaker 1: said nothing through the whole process. But the difficult I mean,

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Speaker 1: the timeline from February to October, where if you believe

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Speaker 1: Taru and nothing happened apart from a lot of lawyers

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Speaker 1: and acts, seems the most astonishing mismanagement of a process

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Speaker 2: And the problem, like, is that publicly, so many of

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Speaker 2: these sports into these days, whether it's management, coaches or whatever,

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Speaker 2: they enter into this corporate babble that no one understands

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Speaker 2: apart from them and the public, the paying public who

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Speaker 2: pay their TV subscriptions or pay their game tickets, pay

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Speaker 2: their wages basically and none the wiser.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it just moves us further and further away

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Speaker 3: from common sense. Let's just talk like normal adult human

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Speaker 3: beings here. Let's just look. If there's allegations against Dame

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Speaker 3: Noling Todua, I'd want to know what they are. Tell

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Speaker 3: me what they are, Let's address them. Let's address those

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Speaker 3: very least say there are concerns around her training's been

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Speaker 3: too tough, or the way she treats players who have

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Speaker 3: been dropped, or whatever it might be. We're all adults,

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Speaker 3: we can all handle the truth, ask the truth.

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Speaker 1: I tend to agree. And what I found interesting is,

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Speaker 2: If it was horrific, that's the word she used then.

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Speaker 2: And there's no reason to doubt Dame Nolen on that front.

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Speaker 2: And if it's been handled the way it seems to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, ye, why would you want to work for an organization?

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Speaker 2: And also you can understand why so many leading players

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Well, I mean there was the reporters last

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Speaker 1: But the interesting thing about that for me, Jason, is

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Speaker 3: Yep. It gives us a stake in it, absolutely, it

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Speaker 3: This needs to be a cautionary tail. It needs to

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Speaker 3: So Jumy Wiley, I think is the one who has

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Speaker 1: Coudn't agree more. And Rayleian Castle, I guess Andrew needs

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Speaker 2: Mike's talking to someone over the weekend in another sport

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Speaker 2: having a high performance get together in a few weeks

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Speaker 2: of various sports at a high performance level. Guess where

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Speaker 2: the meeting is Nitball New Zealand. Of that person laughed

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Speaker 1: I'll get to the guys. I'll get to the rugby

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Speaker 1: let's bolt through this. This is stuff I saw over

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Speaker 1: the weekend. I just want to know what's going on.

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Speaker 1: So Jason Auckland, I see a bit of the game,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an interesting one. What they've actually done because

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Speaker 3: Apparently the members don't like sitting in the sun that much,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, eleven thousand, it's fewer than they would

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Speaker 1: Look for Do you see the Dodgers yesterday? Andrew?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I did? Yeah? What a game?

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Speaker 1: How good?

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Speaker 2: I mean game that the Dodgers were down three to two,

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Speaker 2: Outstanding sporting drama in theater, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: If you ever want to sell baseball, that's the way

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Speaker 2: A better sell in America than Rugby mark up to yesterday?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that that is true. I just wanted what was

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Speaker 2: I happened to be driving to work over the Harbor

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Speaker 2: But then did you? I took a believe that then,

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Speaker 1: Another another donut. Now, Jason, this all blacks thing. I

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Speaker 1: actually I've called it four from four and I think

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Speaker 3: Last twenty minutes were great. First hour, Yeah, there's some

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Speaker 3: They did what All Blacks teams used to do and

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Speaker 3: for one. I actually yeah, as Andrews said, it's a

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Speaker 1: That was embarrassing. Was not working, I mean that's a job.

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Speaker 3: Was Yeah, it was Look. I think the All Blacks

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Speaker 3: the first time since twenty thirteen we've beaten Ireland three

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and England.

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Speaker 2: The Irish are terrible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but who cares. When to win, you play, you play.

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Speaker 3: Let me finish.

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Speaker 2: The All Blacks were good and like Jason said it

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Speaker 2: oh with a pounded them in the last twenty The

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Speaker 2: combo more Fabian Holland clearly he's had this fantastic season

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Speaker 3: So they'll be a three.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but they're the second one and once it was

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Speaker 1: interesting and Wales, you know, kick him up the pants,

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Speaker 1: come on home, Merry Christmas, simple as that.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it'll be interesting to see what he does against

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Speaker 3: I think you know they were down what thirteen seven, yes,

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Speaker 3: yesterday they could have lost that Test match, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think Holland was good. But josh Lord, you know,

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Speaker 3: Guy we haven't seen a lot of. Really, I thought

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Speaker 1: Just quickly Andrew came Williamson. I mean this retiring these

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Speaker 1: what does it mean? He's still around, doesn't he So

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Speaker 1: he's not really retired.

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Speaker 2: Well, he hadn't played he hadn't played T twenties for

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Speaker 2: a great surprise. And he'll continue with the odd one

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Speaker 2: day game. I think. I think Test cricket is still

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Speaker 1: You see the motor racing Jason over the weekend of

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Speaker 1: all No, I didn't. Hampton Down's beautiful, absolutely fantastic first

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Speaker 1: of the season under clear blue skies, nice big crowd

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Speaker 1: at Hampton Downs. They come back and Jan just absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Why don't they race the supercars there?

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Speaker 1: It's a good question. Size is my is my guess,

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Speaker 1: and you get a different experience in TAPO. But yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a fair question. And I

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Speaker 1: think they're going to And I think there are two

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Speaker 1: rounds of supercars coming as it next year or the

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Speaker 1: year after, two New Zealand rounds of supercars, and one

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Speaker 1: of them will be I think at Hampton Downs. But

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Speaker 1: I'm open to correction on that.

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Speaker 2: Your job today, Mike is to listen to your own

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Speaker 2: podcast of the Dame Nolen Interview and try and work

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Speaker 2: out what's going on that's true.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I got to find the truth. Yeah, I'm gonna Well,

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Speaker 1: I know my truth. I stand in my truth here

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Speaker 1: this morning, Jason.

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Speaker 3: And when I wouldn't trust your truth.

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Speaker 1: When you're standing in your truth, you're standing in your truth.

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Speaker 1: You know you're in your truth. You can swim in

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Speaker 1: your truth, you can drink in your truth. You can

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Speaker 1: lie in your truth, but you're in your truth at all.

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Speaker 1: On you know who I got on the program tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: But of a scoop. You're ready for this, yep, Liam Lawson,

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Speaker 1: go on, there we go. You can you can have

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Speaker 1: some of the I'll leave you some of the taped

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Speaker 1: bits Jason for your Saturday show, and you can play

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Speaker 1: the highway.

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Speaker 3: Here's something like preppeared earlier.

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Speaker 1: Nice to see Andrew Seville and Jason Pier.

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Speaker 2: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to

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Speaker 2: news talks.

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Speaker 3: It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast

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Speaker 3: on iHeartRadio