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Speaker 3: Is not your weekend off the right way? Saturday Morning

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Speaker 4: Yard and New Zealing. Good morning, Welcome to News Talks eDV.

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Speaker 4: I'm Jack Tame with you through the midday today, Big day,

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Speaker 4: Big day, Big day, Big day, I reckon. It only

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Speaker 4: happens a couple of times a year. Actually, you know

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Speaker 4: that feeling when you wake up on the morning of

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Speaker 4: a really seriously big Test match and you think, off,

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Speaker 4: for goodness sake, how am I going to get through

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Speaker 4: the next twelve or thirteen hours as I wait for kickoff?

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Speaker 4: My goodness, this is a big one, the biggest one

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Speaker 4: I reckon of twenty twenty five ar theis one hundredth

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Speaker 4: the All Blacks spring Box Eden Parks and I cannot

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Speaker 4: wait for that. We'll get our Sporto's thoughts on it

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Speaker 4: very soon before ten o'clock this morning. If you are

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Speaker 4: not yet sorted for this time tomorrow, you've just thought, oh,

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Speaker 4: my goodness, it's Father's Day. I need to get organized.

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Speaker 4: We have a fantastic little option a Father's Day tray

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Speaker 4: bake recipe it's really simple, really delicious. Basically, you toss

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Speaker 4: be delighted. So we're going to share that with you

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Speaker 4: very shortly. Right now, it is eight minutes past nine.

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Speaker 5: Jack Team.

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Speaker 4: You know how, when you're young, you sort of can't

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Speaker 4: not quite as quick or fit as some of your mates,

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Speaker 4: But for me, at least, the thought of a relatively

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Speaker 4: never crossed my mind. You sort of you know how,

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Speaker 4: when you're young, you sort of take health and dexterity

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Speaker 4: and mobility, general kind of limberness. You just take it

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Speaker 4: for granted, right. I remember as a kid, dad getting

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Speaker 4: still in his grubby kit. And when you're a kid,

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Speaker 4: you can see that your dad's in pain, right, you

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Speaker 4: can rationalize that, but you never pause to wonder if

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Speaker 4: that might happen to you one day too. A couple

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Speaker 4: of years ago, I couldn't get past this. It's kind

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Speaker 4: of sharp pain in my left hip. I thought at

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Speaker 4: first that I'd pulled a muscle, and I went to

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Speaker 4: the physio for what was the first time in my life,

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Speaker 4: but a series of scans moved me quickly up the

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Speaker 4: food chain phizsio to I brought doctor to surgeon. One

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Speaker 4: of the specialists said I had the hip of someone

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Speaker 4: in their sixties, and it was probably only a matter

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Speaker 4: In the meantime, the best advice they could give me

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Speaker 4: was don't do stuff that hurts. Truthfully, I found that

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Speaker 4: harder than it sounds. Although I haven't played a single

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Speaker 4: a weekly game of very average social football has been

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Speaker 4: know what they say about men and how men just

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Speaker 4: have to be doing stuff together, Well, honestly, guilty is charged.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to just sit around and talk about stuff,

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Speaker 4: there is something about physically competing, albeit in a lowly

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Speaker 4: started proactively taking painkillers before and after games. Sometimes I

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Speaker 4: know this isn't good, right. I know that I shouldn't play.

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Speaker 4: I know rationally that constantly agitating and inflaming the same

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Speaker 4: And if sometime in the future I can't tramp or

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Speaker 4: Quitting football has felt like a threshold. I've never had

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Speaker 4: You're sort of crossing your legs and sitting on the mat. Well,

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Speaker 4: When I finished at the school, there was a text

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Speaker 4: waiting on my phone, who's in for football next season?

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Speaker 4: And most of the guys quickly replied, yep, ken yep, yep, yep,

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Speaker 4: I'm in two. When you're young, most of us don't

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Speaker 4: imagine a point in life living with physical limitations. We

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Speaker 4: never asked when Dad started wincing as he reached for

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Speaker 4: And then one day it begins. One day it starts.

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Speaker 4: You have to start saying no. Team ninety two ninety

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Speaker 4: your message this morning Jacket Newstalks dB dot co dot

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Speaker 4: mzet is the email address after ten o'clock. Our feature

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Speaker 4: interview this morning is a guy called Richard Armitage. You

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Speaker 4: might know the name, you'll certainly know the face. He

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Speaker 4: has had an amazing career starring and things like The

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Speaker 4: Hobbit and Spooks, but he has just made a massive

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Speaker 4: shift in his life, a massive career change. I'm not

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Speaker 4: going to give away too much this yet. I'll tell

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Speaker 4: you a bit more very shortly, but he's going to

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Speaker 4: be with us after ten this morning. Next up, though,

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Speaker 4: Kevin Melne is back from his European sojorn. He's going

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Speaker 4: to kick us off for our Saturday Morning together right now.

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Speaker 4: It's thirteen minutes past nine. I'm Jack Tame, It's Saturday

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Speaker 4: morning and this is Newstalk ZEDV.

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Speaker 3: No better way to kick off your weekend then with

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Speaker 3: Jack Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talk ZAIDB.

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Speaker 7: Hey, thank you for.

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Speaker 4: Your messages, Hayden swiping me. You note to say, Jack

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Speaker 4: totally agree with your opening comments. It is indeed a big, big,

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Speaker 4: big day, Rugby wise, massive day, massive game stags defending

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Speaker 4: the shield of course, and then I suppose once we

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Speaker 4: roll Jack, you give be the water boy for your

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Speaker 4: footy team until you get a hip replacement. Jack. Welcome

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Speaker 4: to our world US older people, lol, says Shane Jack.

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Speaker 4: I just had my hip replaced week five on one cutch.

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Speaker 4: Now get in there, says car who get it done. Honestly,

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Speaker 4: you will be a new man. Thank you for your messages.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to get to more of those in a

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Speaker 4: few minutes. Ninety two ninety two. What isn't the problem

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Speaker 4: with hips? Now that you know they've always said with

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Speaker 4: the hip replacement that like, oh, it's still going to

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Speaker 4: deteriorate and then you'll need another hip replacement. You can

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Speaker 4: only have a certain number of hip replacements.

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Speaker 5: See.

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Speaker 4: My problem is that I can walk in a straight line,

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Speaker 4: and I can jog in a straight line without any issue.

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Speaker 4: The problem is as soon as my hip starts doing

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Speaker 4: hippie things and going, you know, my leg goes off

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Speaker 4: which is required in most sports. That's when I have

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Speaker 4: lots of problems. So anyway, please send in all of

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Speaker 4: your medical advice. It's greatly appreciated. Seventeen past nine, Kevin

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Speaker 4: with us this morning. Great to have you back, Kevin,

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 5: Jack.

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Speaker 8: I had a great time, absolutely superb time, well looked

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Speaker 8: after by our two boys who who took quite a

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Speaker 4: London is a city for that. It is a fantastic city,

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Speaker 4: isn't it. You feel it was one of those few

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Speaker 8: Right, yep, yeah, it'd be my favorite big city in

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Speaker 8: But we were at Shoreditch Way in the Old East End,

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Speaker 8: all flashed up now of course, and it's got terrific

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Speaker 5: We had a great time.

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Speaker 8: But then I come back Jack to see that you've

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Speaker 8: gone into the advertising business, assume that you've seen that

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Speaker 8: you've been hoodwinked by the IP.

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Speaker 4: I have it. Sadly, it's not for the first time,

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Speaker 4: so yes, if you have, you happen to have seen

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Speaker 4: a video of me speaking with Christopher Luxen and both

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Speaker 4: of us speaking with very funny accents. I sort of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, yeah, it's sort of not any one accent.

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Speaker 4: It's obviously a bit of a blend. But together we're

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Speaker 4: sort of shilling for some investment scheme. Please, it's a scam.

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Speaker 4: any money. It's not the first time, though, Kevin, I've

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Speaker 4: had the same thing before. Sadly, it's just like these yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: But Kevin, while you're in the UK, you went to

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Speaker 8: Alex and Jake, took us to a Premier League football

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Speaker 8: derby west Ham versus Chelsea. The game was barely underway

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Speaker 5: We put up with that until he started calling them faggots.

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Speaker 8: Jake turned around and told the guy to shut up.

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Speaker 8: If he didn't, he had personally taken him by the

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Speaker 8: later on say he must have got that expression from me.

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Speaker 8: He didn't know where it came from, but anyway, the

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Speaker 8: idiot kept up his homophobic sort of comments, winding Jake

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Speaker 8: up by then calling the players fairies. Jake again told

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Speaker 8: with the same fairies. Jake said, you know, exis exactly

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Speaker 8: what's wrong, and if you want to settle it, let's

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Speaker 5: Here if you like.

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Speaker 8: He he was magnificent Jack, he says his father. A

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Speaker 4: Thank you for all of your messages. Time for your

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Speaker 4: Been awesome, sibling love, Kevin, be proud of your boys.

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Speaker 4: Great story from Kevin this morning, says Ross, thank you

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Speaker 4: it's a mess. It's just coming up to nine thirty

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Speaker 5: doubles partner Gabbye Debrawski winning their second US Open title

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Speaker 4: Are the Warriors? What a crazy game last night? Yet

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Speaker 5: It's almost up there with the NFL player yesterday getting

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Speaker 5: It's been a crazy twenty four hours. Yeah. Look, the

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Speaker 5: Warriors seem to attract these weird and bizarre games, don't they.

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Speaker 4: Well and if anyone was going to pull it off, right.

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Speaker 5: And I can bet your bottom you can bet your

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Speaker 4: This is the thing. The Warriors are the Donald Trump

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Speaker 5: People keep coming that year after year. There is never

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Speaker 4: Course, of course, right, A massive game, massive game at

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Speaker 4: Eden Park tonight. Yeah, well this is You're not the

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Speaker 5: Shall we start a fantastic day? This is what raanfy

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Speaker 4: and hope for the best. And for the first time

432
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Speaker 4: ever we have these kind of creative midfielders. You are

433
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Speaker 4: technically quite gifted and it's just it's really exciting to

434
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Speaker 4: see for the New Zealand football So hope.

435
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Speaker 5: Players waited out like so well yeah, well, crossing and

436
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Speaker 5: strike like Chris Ward and others who have a real

437
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Speaker 5: the real scent of goal. No it's year. Things have

438
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Speaker 5: changed definitely.

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Speaker 4: All right, Hey, enjoy this evening. We'll be thinking of you.

440
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Speaker 4: On the sideline Andrew Savilasporto this morning, Don't Forget a Course.

441
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Speaker 4: Live commentary with Elliott Smith, Steve Gordon, Jason Pine of

442
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Speaker 4: The Allbacks. Versus South Africa is on News Talk ZEDB

443
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Speaker 4: gold Sport and iHeartRadio tonight. Tune in at seven o'clock.

444
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Speaker 4: Kickoff at five past seven, twenty six to ten. We're

445
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Speaker 4: talking movies next. Versus Charlie XCX. She's a huge star.

446
00:22:53,053 --> 00:22:55,853
Speaker 4: She wrote this song for the Barbie movie, but it's

447
00:22:55,893 --> 00:22:59,773
Speaker 4: since kind of taken on a deeper soiree into the

448
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Speaker 4: world of film. So this week it was announced that

449
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Speaker 4: Charlie x X is doing the soundtrack for the new

450
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Speaker 4: Wuthering Heights adaptation starring Margot Robbie and Jacober Lordie. Oh

451
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Speaker 4: my goodness, I watched the trailer for that. Wowser's there's nothing,

452
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Speaker 4: there's nothing kind of super explicit. It's just very suggestive,

453
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Speaker 4: would be my. There's a lot of like there's a

454
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Speaker 4: lot of sound, like a lot of like quick breath

455
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Speaker 4: and like you know that sort of thing. Yeah, anyway,

456
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Speaker 4: I won't go into too much detail anyway. Charlie XX

457
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Speaker 4: has also made her on screen debut at the Toronto

458
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Speaker 4: Film Festival in a film called Eruptzia. We've got a

459
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Speaker 4: pretty good reaction for a pop star turned actress. And

460
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Speaker 4: good thing too, because she has already shot roles in

461
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Speaker 4: six other features. So no doubt we're going to be

462
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Speaker 4: reviewing some Charlie XCX sometime soon twenty two to ten

463
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Speaker 4: on news Storks. He'd be time to catch up with

464
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Speaker 4: that film reviewer Francisca rud Can. Have you seen that trailer, Francisca, let's.

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Speaker 9: Just call it.

466
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Speaker 10: It's been described as soft porn.

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Speaker 4: Do you think I think that's a bit unfair.

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Speaker 9: I think okay, it's been described as it's been described

469
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Speaker 9: as kind of fifty shades of gray.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you know, there's a lot of sort of Yeah,

471
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Speaker 4: it's very suggestive, would be my right.

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Speaker 10: Look.

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Speaker 9: I love Mago Robbie and I love Jacob Alordie. I

474
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Speaker 9: think they're absolutely fabulous. I understand that people, and I

475
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Speaker 9: love Emerald phil I think she.

476
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Speaker 10: Does brilliant films.

477
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Speaker 9: There is an issue around the changes that she's made

478
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Speaker 9: to Bronte's novel. I think if you're a huge Bronte fan,

479
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Speaker 9: then you are going to have issue with some of

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Speaker 9: the choices of casting. But hey, why not stat the

481
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Speaker 9: hype now?

482
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Speaker 4: Well, you know, anyone's talking about it. Maybe and maybe

483
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Speaker 4: if you're not a huge Bronte fan, then this could

484
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Speaker 4: be the film for you, you know, yeah, exactly. I

485
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Speaker 4: can't wait with you. Yeah, anyway, anyway, I did, yeah, yeah,

486
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Speaker 4: I may have stumbled across that trailer something out Anyway,

487
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Speaker 4: two different films to talk about this morning. These ones

488
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Speaker 4: are actually out at the moment. I don't think Wuthering

489
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Speaker 4: Heights comes out until next year. So let's start off

490
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Speaker 4: with the film showing in cinemas at the moment. This

491
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Speaker 4: is the Roses.

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Speaker 7: Do you do I do anything I do?

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Speaker 11: You believe that's true?

494
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Speaker 10: Everybody seems to see we hate each other.

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Speaker 2: I suppose sometimes I do hate you. Yep, we are done.

496
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Speaker 12: Say well, we're done.

497
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Speaker 2: I just want the house.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's the Roses. Couple of big names, Olivia Coleman

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Speaker 4: and Benetdicte Gumberbatch starring in this.

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Speaker 10: One together, and that is the main reason you should

501
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Speaker 10: go and see this film.

502
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Speaker 9: But absolutely, I mean I just love this too, you know,

503
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Speaker 9: I watch them, you know, read a phone book. This

504
00:25:36,853 --> 00:25:39,453
Speaker 9: is based on the nineteen eighty one novel The War

505
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Speaker 9: of the Roses by Warren Adler. If you're a certain age,

506
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Speaker 9: you will remember Danny DeVito directed an adaptation of the

507
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Speaker 9: starring Kathleen.

508
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Speaker 10: Turner and Michael Douglas.

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Speaker 9: At the heart of this film, there is a story

510
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Speaker 9: about a couple who are madly in love and then

511
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Speaker 9: life doesn't go so well and I don't cope with

512
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Speaker 9: it very well as a couple, and then they grow

513
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Speaker 9: to despise each other and they had this full on,

514
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Speaker 9: all out crazy war. And this film has been brought

515
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Speaker 9: into the current day. Benetet cover back to and Olivia

516
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Speaker 9: Coleman star as THEO and Ivy, and they are both

517
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Speaker 9: very committed to their roles and they're very funny and

518
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Speaker 9: they're very good at it.

519
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Speaker 10: But there's there's this moment at.

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Speaker 9: The beginning where they flash back and they show you

521
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Speaker 9: they're meat cute.

522
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Speaker 10: You know, how they met and.

523
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Speaker 9: She's a chef in a hotel restaurant and he's a

524
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Speaker 9: guest and he stumbles into the kitchen and literally thirty

525
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Speaker 9: seconds later they're having sex in me in the fridge

526
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Speaker 9: in the freezer, and I'm like, I'm sorry, but I

527
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Speaker 9: don't think Olivia Coleman and Bennett comb back to act

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Speaker 9: like that.

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Speaker 10: And so from the very fig I just had a

530
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Speaker 10: little moment they're kind of going, oh, it's a bit

531
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Speaker 10: of a stretch garden.

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Speaker 9: I'm not sure I believe that, and the problem with that,

533
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Speaker 9: and I think that that is a little bit of

534
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Speaker 9: a problem with this film. Yes, I think that there

535
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Speaker 9: was a point where they love each other. Yes they

536
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Speaker 9: go to despise each other, but there's too long before

537
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Speaker 9: we get to the really crazy, all out war part

538
00:27:00,773 --> 00:27:03,773
Speaker 9: of this film, which is which is kind of what

539
00:27:03,813 --> 00:27:04,893
Speaker 9: we know the story for.

540
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Speaker 10: Really, we spend most of the film.

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Speaker 9: Watching two people whose lives do change, and we watch them,

542
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Speaker 9: we follow them through a decade of dysfunction as they

543
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Speaker 9: allow resentment and anger and guilt and success and failure

544
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Speaker 9: to become between them. And it's a very slow and

545
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Speaker 9: toxic decline.

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Speaker 10: And I think they did that because they.

547
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Speaker 9: Were a bit worried about them going each other too much,

548
00:27:23,933 --> 00:27:25,413
Speaker 9: and then they tried to pull it back, and they're

549
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Speaker 9: sort of saying to us, hey, look, they hate each other,

550
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Speaker 9: but their love brings them back together. But actually even

551
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Speaker 9: their children.

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Speaker 10: In this film are looking at them going please separate.

553
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Speaker 10: So I'm not so sure.

554
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Speaker 9: It kind of convinced me of the same premise that

555
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Speaker 9: they loved each other and then they despise each other.

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Speaker 10: I just yeah, And.

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Speaker 9: Look, it really depends on whether it's a different kind

558
00:27:45,093 --> 00:27:46,933
Speaker 9: of escape from It really does depend on whether you're

559
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Speaker 9: in the mood to sit and watch a couple destroy

560
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Speaker 9: each other. Look, there are some amazing observations about relationships.

561
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Speaker 9: They are on the money about a lot of that,

562
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Speaker 9: and there's some great other coasts. Andy Samberg, Kate McKennon,

563
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Speaker 9: Elis and Janie is completely underused. She has this one

564
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Speaker 9: scene which she completely steals. Would have loved to have

565
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Speaker 9: seen more her. It felt like it was really edgy

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Speaker 9: and it had a good edge, but then they kind

567
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Speaker 9: of presented it to us as a glossy rom com

568
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Speaker 9: and it didn't quite work.

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Speaker 4: Okay, all right, So that is The Roses with Olivia

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Speaker 4: Coleman and Bennett Cumberbats. Next up streaming on Prime Video,

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Speaker 4: This is Ice Road Vengeance.

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Speaker 8: Welcome aboard, Welcome my board, Mount Everest.

573
00:28:29,333 --> 00:28:36,813
Speaker 2: Here we come, keep driving.

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Speaker 13: Kidnappers in Nepal, don't leave Witnessing.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's Ice Road Vengeance starring Liam Neeson. Something about

576
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Speaker 4: Liam Neeson that I've started to notice, and I'm not

577
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Speaker 4: sure if this has ever come across your mind, Francesca,

578
00:28:52,773 --> 00:28:54,173
Speaker 4: is that he needs to star. Are a lot of

579
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Speaker 4: films in which someone is getting kidnapped or taken and

580
00:28:56,573 --> 00:28:59,373
Speaker 4: he needs to fight and kill people. That's just a

581
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Speaker 4: little bit, you know, you just I don't want to

582
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Speaker 4: call me a centophile.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, he has done very well sort of creating this

584
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Speaker 9: new career for him, made mife. But look, we talk

585
00:29:10,373 --> 00:29:14,053
Speaker 9: about we talk about women who are you know, of

586
00:29:14,053 --> 00:29:15,733
Speaker 9: a certain age once upon a time. He brover a

587
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Speaker 9: forty Hollywood and want to pay attention to you, and

588
00:29:17,373 --> 00:29:19,853
Speaker 9: we see women in Hollywood have managed to create careers

589
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Speaker 9: and interesting characters and have this and so this is

590
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Speaker 9: sort of essentially what William's done as well. Unfortunately doesn't

591
00:29:27,173 --> 00:29:29,853
Speaker 9: quite pull it off in this film. And it's not

592
00:29:30,093 --> 00:29:34,053
Speaker 9: his fault. This film just does not have the money

593
00:29:34,133 --> 00:29:38,173
Speaker 9: to make it work. It's you might have seen the

594
00:29:38,213 --> 00:29:41,773
Speaker 9: original Ice Rod It was released I think twenty twenty one.

595
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Speaker 9: He plays Mike McCann. He is a truck driver. He

596
00:29:45,933 --> 00:29:48,773
Speaker 9: goes on this dangerous mission over frozen lakes that we're

597
00:29:48,813 --> 00:29:51,413
Speaker 9: trying to save some miners trapped in the mine. And look,

598
00:29:51,453 --> 00:29:53,773
Speaker 9: actually it was okay, it was quite good escapeism, and

599
00:29:53,813 --> 00:29:55,973
Speaker 9: the idea for this on paper isn't too bad.

600
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Speaker 10: His brother has passed away. He really wants Mike to

601
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Speaker 10: scatter his actions at Mount.

602
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Speaker 9: Everest, so off he heads to do that. He ends

603
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Speaker 9: up on this bus called the key We Express, where

604
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Speaker 9: the driver goes cured it and then spends the the

605
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Speaker 9: rest of the film talking in Australian slang, which at

606
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Speaker 9: that point I went, oh, okay, we've got a problem here.

607
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Speaker 9: And then there's a young man on the bus who

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Speaker 9: is kidnapped because there's a corporate that wants to build

609
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Speaker 9: a dam in his village, but his family is holding out,

610
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Speaker 9: and all of a sudden, it always strangers, for some reason,

611
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Speaker 9: desired to get behind this young man and go off

612
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Speaker 9: on this mission to try and save him and his

613
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Speaker 9: family's land and things.

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Speaker 10: It just none of it really made sense. You don't

615
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Speaker 10: know why they're doing. The driving's great, like the driving.

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Speaker 9: I don't know whether they use cables in Nepal to

617
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Speaker 9: allow vehicles to travel down icy roads, or whether they

618
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Speaker 9: use cranes to get them across. Gorgeous, but the driving

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Speaker 9: was great, but all the special effects are so bad. Look,

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Speaker 9: I was trying to find a really fun film that

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Speaker 9: you could sit and watch with dad, you know this,

622
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Speaker 9: you know, maybe tomorrow afternoon or anything on thurs Day,

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Speaker 9: And unless your dad has really bad taste in films,

624
00:31:01,653 --> 00:31:04,613
Speaker 9: it's probably isn't gonna fly. But you know, I do

625
00:31:04,693 --> 00:31:07,373
Speaker 9: love Lamblison, and I what I'd give it a whirl,

626
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Speaker 9: and it's kind of I actually sort of found it

627
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Speaker 9: highly entertaining for how bad it were.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, nice going. Okay, there you go, right, that'll be

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Speaker 4: a special one for dead then, thank you, Francesca. We

630
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Speaker 4: appreciate it. So that is Ice Road Vengeance. That's the

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Speaker 4: one starring Liamnis and that's on Prime Video. The one

632
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Speaker 4: with Olivia Coleman and Bennett Kumberbatches in cinemas now, that's

633
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Speaker 4: called The Roses. We'll have details for both of those

634
00:31:30,693 --> 00:31:34,013
Speaker 4: films up on the News Talks. He'd be website after

635
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Speaker 4: ten o'clock our feature interview Richard Armitage, star of The Hobbit,

636
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Speaker 4: star of Spook, star of heaps of TV shows. It's

637
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Speaker 4: going to be with us he's got a brand new

638
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Speaker 4: career as one of those velvety voices on audible podcasts

639
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Speaker 4: and audible audio books. And the reason we're speaking to

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Speaker 4: Richard is he's not just an incredible voice, he's now

641
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Speaker 4: an author. He's writing a special sort of book for Audible,

642
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Speaker 4: which they're now publishing as audiobooks. I'm gonna tell you

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Speaker 4: a bit more very shortly right now, though it is

644
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Speaker 4: fourteen to ten. Our cook is a next on News Talks.

645
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Speaker 3: He'd be Saturday morning with Jack t keeping the conversation

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Speaker 3: going through the weekend the News Talk.

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Speaker 4: Sa'd be thank you for your feedback. We've had so

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Speaker 4: many messages this how I've done a terrible job, a

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Speaker 4: dreadful job of getting to them. Jack loved the story

650
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Speaker 4: with Kevin this morning. A real proud dad moment.

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Speaker 5: Jack.

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Speaker 4: I had my right hip replaced four weeks ago. I

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Speaker 4: get my left hip replaced in seven weeks time. It's

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Speaker 4: life changing and pretty easy compared to a knee replacement,

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Speaker 4: something that I've had as well. We're thinking about, says Jason.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Jason. Everyone does say that a hip is

657
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Speaker 4: better than an it's better, it's easier to have a hip,

658
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Speaker 4: replacement than a knee. I don't think either is necessarily easy,

659
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Speaker 4: but everyone says that for whatever reason, a hip is

660
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Speaker 4: easier than a knee. I think my problem is that

661
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Speaker 4: I'm sort of in the gray area, like I can't

662
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Speaker 4: comfortably play sport, like it caused me a lot of

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Speaker 4: pain and I'm hobbling for days afterwards. But I can

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Speaker 4: still jog in a straight line. So anyway, thank you

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Speaker 4: for that. Ninety two ninety two if you want to

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Speaker 4: send us a message, just so you know. In the tennis,

667
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Speaker 4: Carlos al Karez has defeated Novak Djokovic in three sets

668
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Speaker 4: in the US Open, that men's semi final. On news talks,

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Speaker 4: he'd be Nicky Wicks. Our cook is here with a

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Speaker 4: delicious sounding recipe. Such an easy recipe for Father's Day

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Speaker 4: for us this week, Niki.

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Speaker 14: Yes, it absolutely is. And I do concur about the

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Speaker 14: body aches and pains. I want to replace them body.

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Speaker 14: This week I've had the.

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Speaker 4: Flu oh no, oh, I have felt.

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Speaker 14: Like I'm ninety three. I can't tell ye, it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 14: So yeah, but there you go. There's a certain grief

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Speaker 14: when you realize your body is only feeling in one way,

679
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Speaker 14: But you know, learn to love it. Learn to love it,

680
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Speaker 14: not the pain. I think, get whatever you need to

681
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Speaker 14: do replaced as quickly as you can. That's my doctorly advice.

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Speaker 14: Father's tray bake. Yeah, I mean, in the past for

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Speaker 14: Father's Day, we've talked about mince on toast, which I love,

684
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Speaker 14: the bunkwheat pancakes filled with ham and cheese, which I

685
00:33:52,733 --> 00:33:56,013
Speaker 14: also love, homemade baked beans. But this tray bake I

686
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Speaker 14: reckon is one that almost anybody can cook from age

687
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Speaker 14: seven upwards. It's also great if you forgot that it

688
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Speaker 14: was Father's Day tomorrow and you haven't got much in

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Speaker 14: the pantry because basically we're using potatoes and onions and

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Speaker 14: making this gorge and eggs and we're making this lovely

691
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Speaker 14: tray bake. I love it because it means you can

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Speaker 14: really personalize actually your dad's taste. We're making a beautiful, beautiful,

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Speaker 14: big tray of crunchy potatoes with onion in there, some

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Speaker 14: curry powder in there, et cetera. And this is what

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Speaker 14: you do. Chuck your rathern on two hundred degrees celsius.

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Speaker 14: You want to par boil, which means boiling potatoes until

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Speaker 14: they you could stick a knife into them, but it

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Speaker 14: would sort of not fall off the knife.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you know it's yeah.

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Speaker 14: Exactly, well salted bought well salted water for potatoes, and

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Speaker 14: I like to use Agria for this jack. All those

702
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Speaker 14: lovely little pearlas are good as well. Those little boxes

703
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Speaker 14: of pearlas about five hundred grams you want for this,

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Speaker 14: it's going to serve about four of you when they're

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Speaker 14: cool enough to handle. Slice them thickly if you've used

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Speaker 14: kind of heart, if you've harved big agria or whatever,

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Speaker 14: or just crush them roughly, and I use the bottom

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Speaker 14: of a co feed up or even a masher. You

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Speaker 14: want to sort of crush them down, because we want

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Speaker 14: lots of surface area, because we're going to put a

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Speaker 14: beautiful big splash of olive oil all over these on

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Speaker 14: a big tray in a single layer, lots of salt

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Speaker 14: and pepper on them, and a teaspoon of curry powder

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00:35:22,773 --> 00:35:24,813
Speaker 14: as well, which just I think it's because I love

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Speaker 14: keyguri for breakfast, so I sort of wanted that curry

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Speaker 14: thing or sort of mother in law eggs, that kind

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Speaker 14: of thing, you know, So spread them out, cut up

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Speaker 14: an onion, slice that nice and thinly because you want

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Speaker 14: this to roast up as well. Tumble, yes, all of

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Speaker 14: your potatoes net into that roasting dish and bake them

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Speaker 14: off for about twenty minutes or until they're really crispy.

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Speaker 14: You really want them crispy, and potatoes can take a

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Speaker 14: while to get there, so it just depends, really, it

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Speaker 14: depends so much sugar they've got in them. Once they

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Speaker 14: do start to look like they're cooked, Jack, you want

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Speaker 14: to make some little gaps in the potatoes, just push

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Speaker 14: them aside. So, yes, line your trate.

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Speaker 10: You line your tray.

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Speaker 14: I should have said that at the beginning. And then

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Speaker 14: you break some eggs. Let's say you're serving four people,

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Speaker 14: use four eggs, break the egg into the gaps. You

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Speaker 14: can break the yolks if you want, if you want

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Speaker 14: them a little bit more cooked, if you don't, bake

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Speaker 14: them for about ten minutes or until them they sort

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Speaker 14: of cooked them and you like them, and then serve

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Speaker 14: them alongside some bacon, maybe some chilizo sausage, maybe some

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Speaker 14: flaked smoked fish, maybe just chopped up avocado and a

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Speaker 14: decent amount of say, fresh coriander. If that's what dad's into. Good,

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Speaker 14: shut me, lovely, parsley and it's just great. You just

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Speaker 14: have big scoopfuls of this on a plate, you'd just

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Speaker 14: be you know. I think they would make a dad happy,

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Speaker 14: wouldn't it.

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Speaker 4: I think this sounds fantastic. I reckon a little bit

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Speaker 4: of fresh parmeso just for the umami, you know, cheeky

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Speaker 4: on top.

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Speaker 10: I'm with you. I'm with you.

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Speaker 14: A bit of saltiness there, DAPs of sour cream if

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Speaker 14: you want a little bit of that action or yogurt. Yeah,

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Speaker 14: this is the thing. Use it as a base and

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Speaker 14: then toss whatever else you like. In the summer, I'd

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Speaker 14: be putting salsa on it.

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Speaker 4: Maybe feah tomato, you know.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, it's a good eat.

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Speaker 4: I love a good k bait. Yeah, no, that sounds amazing.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Nikki. I will also note that in the

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Speaker 4: New Zealand Herald's canvas this weekend you have two other

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Speaker 4: options as well, smoked fish buns and a sausage and

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Speaker 4: egg pie. So there is no excuse for not making

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Speaker 4: a delicious little treaty breakfast for your dad for Father's

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Speaker 4: Day tomorrow. Thank you so much. That recipe for the

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Speaker 4: Father's Day Trade Bank. We'll be up at Newstalks NB

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Speaker 4: dot co dot NZ. Right now it's seven to ten.

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Speaker 3: Giving you the inside scoop on all you need to

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Speaker 3: know on Saturday mornings with Jack Team News Talk V.

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Speaker 4: If it is damp and cold and you're part of

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Speaker 4: the country and you're looking to kill a few hours

767
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Speaker 4: before the rugby tonight, good news. After ten o'clock on

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Speaker 4: Newstalk ZB, we've got our screen Time segment where we

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Speaker 4: recommend shows to watch or stream at home, and we're

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Speaker 4: going to tell you about this new show, The Paper.

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00:37:48,693 --> 00:37:51,733
Speaker 4: It's made by the same creators as the US version

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Speaker 4: of The Office. A lot of hype around the show,

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Speaker 4: so we're going to tell you a little bit about

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00:37:55,413 --> 00:37:58,053
Speaker 4: that after ten o'clock this morning. And remember back in

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Speaker 4: the day, like turn them back the hands of time here,

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Speaker 4: how radio plays were a big thing. Well, we're sort

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Speaker 4: of in a like back to the future kind of

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Speaker 4: situation in the world of media because with the increasing

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Speaker 4: popularity of audio books, Audible, which is the biggest kind

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Speaker 4: of audiobook company in the world, has realized that actually

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Speaker 4: there is a vast, vast market and interest in really

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Speaker 4: good audio stories, and it means that instead of just

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Speaker 4: getting people to read out normal novels and books. They

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Speaker 4: are deliberately writing books to be heard as audiobooks rather

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Speaker 4: than to be read with the eye if you follow

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Speaker 4: my drift anyway. One of the guys heading up that

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Speaker 4: effort is Richard Hermitage. He's the star of The Hobbit

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Speaker 4: and Spooks. He's been in all sorts of amazing TV

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Speaker 4: shows and now he is focusing on writing and reading

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Speaker 4: audio books. So he's our feature interview. News is next

791
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Speaker 4: though it's almost ten o'clock Saturday morning. I'm Jack Tamed.

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Speaker 4: This is News Talk ZEDB.

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Speaker 5: Cranking.

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Speaker 3: Way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack team

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Speaker 3: Newstalk zb.

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Speaker 4: After a lengthy career in Hollywood and beyond as the

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Speaker 4: star of blockbusters like The Hobbit and the revered BBC

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Speaker 4: series Spooks, Richard Armitage has pivoted. The actor known for

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Speaker 4: his brooding scowl, has turned his hand to the written

800
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Speaker 4: word instead. Richard's second novel has just been published. It's

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Speaker 4: called The Cut, and Richard is with us this morning.

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Speaker 4: Kilderkoderh very good, thank you nailed the Kilda spoken like

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Speaker 4: someone who's saying for the first time in their life.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, it is great to be speaking with you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for your time. I'm going to

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Speaker 4: start with a really basic question. Can you just give

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Speaker 4: us a little bit of context you tell us about

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Speaker 4: the cap.

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Speaker 15: So The Cut is my second novel. It was inspired

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Speaker 15: by a real conversation I had in the cemetery, and

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Speaker 15: it it's the story of a group of teenagers at

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Speaker 15: their graduation from high school. They're in celebration mode. One

813
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Speaker 15: of the girls tragically dies and one of her classmates

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Speaker 15: goes to prison. And then in the present day, a

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Speaker 15: filmmaker comes back to that village to make a found

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Speaker 15: footage horror movie. But the horror movie is not quite

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Speaker 15: what it seems, And that's me trying not to give

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Speaker 15: spoilers away.

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Speaker 4: No, you did very well. I mean I think I

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Speaker 4: think you probably heard all of us at the moment.

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Speaker 4: You see this is inspired by a real conversation I

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Speaker 4: hate in asymmetry. Yeah, yeah, it sounds well. I mean

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Speaker 4: it does sound slightly macab, but yeah, yeah, I think

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Speaker 4: you've nailed the bell and noting and not giving too

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Speaker 4: much away. Talk to us then, about this kind of

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Speaker 4: process you've been on over the last couple of years,

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Speaker 4: Because obviously storytelling is in your blood. But you have

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Speaker 4: seen a bit of a professional transition of sorts.

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Speaker 2: I have.

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Speaker 15: And it's interesting because I've worked a lot with Audible.

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Speaker 15: I've been narrating a lot of other author's incredible work

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Speaker 15: and quite a diverse range of work. And then Audible

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Speaker 15: ask me if i'd be interested in writing a crime

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Speaker 15: thriller of my own, and I immediately said yes. And

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Speaker 15: then they talked about ghost writing, and I absolutely said no, no, no,

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Speaker 15: If I'm going to write this and if I'm going

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Speaker 15: to narrate this, these are going to be my own words.

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Speaker 2: And it's amazing.

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Speaker 15: I hadn't quite realized how many kind of stories I

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Speaker 15: had plotted somewhere in my head, and stories that kind

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Speaker 15: of leap out of things like a.

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Speaker 2: Conversation in a cemetery.

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Speaker 15: But yeah, the books are Audible audio first, so they're

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Speaker 15: written for audio, and then the print version is like

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Speaker 15: a bonus extra that I never expected.

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Speaker 4: And so how different is the writing process for a

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Speaker 4: book that is designed to be listened to rather than

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Speaker 4: a book that is, you know, initially designed to be

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Speaker 4: read with ice.

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Speaker 15: Well, the way I work on it is to visualize

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Speaker 15: it as a as a piece of cinema or television,

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Speaker 15: and then I write it down in as sort of

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Speaker 15: visceral way as I can, focusing on dialogue and how

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Speaker 15: it sounds rather than what it looks like. So for example,

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Speaker 15: I don't need to say he said with his Scottish accent,

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Speaker 15: because the man you're going to hear the Scottish accent.

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Speaker 15: So it's slightly more pared back, and I'm kind of

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Speaker 15: leaning into atmosphere and I'm working with order but at

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Speaker 15: the moment on book three, and we're trying to get

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Speaker 15: in a bit more soundscape. So it's a sort of

861
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Speaker 15: immersive experience at first.

862
00:42:55,053 --> 00:42:57,853
Speaker 4: It's interesting, it's almost it sort of harks back to

863
00:42:57,893 --> 00:42:59,813
Speaker 4: the good old days of radio plays and that kind

864
00:42:59,853 --> 00:43:00,253
Speaker 4: of thing.

865
00:43:00,173 --> 00:43:01,813
Speaker 2: Right exactly.

866
00:43:01,893 --> 00:43:06,893
Speaker 15: And I've I did an adaptation of Clarissa with Alison's

867
00:43:06,893 --> 00:43:10,333
Speaker 15: Stedman years ago, and I miss radio plays. I mean,

868
00:43:10,453 --> 00:43:13,333
Speaker 15: I don't think any or I mean, I guess people

869
00:43:13,373 --> 00:43:16,973
Speaker 15: don't really listen to radio plays so much anymore. But

870
00:43:17,413 --> 00:43:20,293
Speaker 15: audio books have become a massive industry.

871
00:43:20,413 --> 00:43:24,653
Speaker 4: Of course, it's a phenomenon in such a such a

872
00:43:24,653 --> 00:43:27,853
Speaker 4: pleasurable way to kind of, you know, weave a bit

873
00:43:27,893 --> 00:43:30,253
Speaker 4: more storytelling in your life into your life. So do

874
00:43:30,293 --> 00:43:33,773
Speaker 4: you think that, like, what, don't take this the wrong way? Well,

875
00:43:34,093 --> 00:43:36,453
Speaker 4: what an audible se in you when they came to

876
00:43:36,493 --> 00:43:38,893
Speaker 4: you and said, would you like to write a crime thriller?

877
00:43:39,653 --> 00:43:41,453
Speaker 4: And this is what lead to Geneva right at your

878
00:43:41,453 --> 00:43:45,693
Speaker 4: first book. Yeah, Like, did they know that you would

879
00:43:45,773 --> 00:43:47,613
Speaker 4: be able to pull this off? Because it's quite I

880
00:43:47,653 --> 00:43:50,413
Speaker 4: mean it's quite a yeah, it's quite a complex skill.

881
00:43:51,693 --> 00:43:54,493
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well I didn't know I could pull it off.

882
00:43:54,533 --> 00:43:57,333
Speaker 15: I'd never written anything longer than an essay from my

883
00:43:57,933 --> 00:44:01,533
Speaker 15: English A level, but I had written biography of character,

884
00:44:01,613 --> 00:44:04,173
Speaker 15: and you know, we did it in incrementally. So they said, look,

885
00:44:04,453 --> 00:44:06,653
Speaker 15: send us a story outline, send us to some of

886
00:44:06,653 --> 00:44:11,253
Speaker 15: your writing before they actually approved it and contracted me.

887
00:44:11,333 --> 00:44:14,293
Speaker 15: But it turns out that I do have a half

888
00:44:14,333 --> 00:44:15,333
Speaker 15: decent turn of phrase.

889
00:44:15,413 --> 00:44:18,373
Speaker 2: And I think I've picked that up from working on.

890
00:44:18,853 --> 00:44:21,693
Speaker 15: As I said, other audiobooks, but also screenplay, just just

891
00:44:22,333 --> 00:44:25,173
Speaker 15: you know, looking at adaptation and looking at listening to

892
00:44:25,493 --> 00:44:29,693
Speaker 15: a lot of producers and directors and editors and what

893
00:44:30,493 --> 00:44:31,613
Speaker 15: works and what doesn't work.

894
00:44:31,613 --> 00:44:33,373
Speaker 2: I think I've got a bit of a toolkit now.

895
00:44:33,413 --> 00:44:36,533
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's funny though, with a screenplay, I

896
00:44:36,573 --> 00:44:39,773
Speaker 4: suppose when you are creating a story, and whether it's

897
00:44:39,773 --> 00:44:44,413
Speaker 4: a whether it's a showrunner or a director or a

898
00:44:44,493 --> 00:44:49,853
Speaker 4: DP or whatever, they are storyboarding and visualizing how a

899
00:44:49,933 --> 00:44:52,253
Speaker 4: story is going to look, and then they are creating

900
00:44:52,573 --> 00:44:56,213
Speaker 4: that visual whereas the process for you is that you

901
00:44:56,333 --> 00:44:59,893
Speaker 4: are visualizing how a story might look, but then using

902
00:45:00,013 --> 00:45:03,213
Speaker 4: only words and sound to create that image.

903
00:45:03,253 --> 00:45:07,733
Speaker 15: Right, Yeah, I storyboard book really in my head.

904
00:45:07,813 --> 00:45:09,693
Speaker 2: That's what the outline is. It's I mean, it's not.

905
00:45:09,693 --> 00:45:14,013
Speaker 15: Pictures necessarily, but it's definitely the same the same process.

906
00:45:14,173 --> 00:45:16,213
Speaker 15: I mean, at the moment, I'm working on a character

907
00:45:16,573 --> 00:45:20,773
Speaker 15: who's a journalist and it's a way of sort of

908
00:45:20,853 --> 00:45:24,413
Speaker 15: unraveling the story for the listener. But there's a problem

909
00:45:24,493 --> 00:45:26,133
Speaker 15: with it at the moment because I'm bored with this

910
00:45:26,293 --> 00:45:29,173
Speaker 15: character and I had to work out is why am

911
00:45:29,173 --> 00:45:33,853
Speaker 15: I struggling to write this character? And I thought to myself, well,

912
00:45:34,253 --> 00:45:36,293
Speaker 15: how would you deal with this if you were an actor?

913
00:45:36,493 --> 00:45:38,733
Speaker 15: A dealing you know, trying to play this role that

914
00:45:38,933 --> 00:45:42,573
Speaker 15: is terribly tedious. And I realized that I hadn't thrown

915
00:45:42,653 --> 00:45:45,293
Speaker 15: enough obstacles in her path. And these are the things

916
00:45:45,333 --> 00:45:48,413
Speaker 15: that you pick up as an actor, Like a scene,

917
00:45:48,733 --> 00:45:50,493
Speaker 15: something has to happen in a scene in order for

918
00:45:50,533 --> 00:45:53,733
Speaker 15: it to be interesting. So yeah, I'm playing all of

919
00:45:53,773 --> 00:45:54,333
Speaker 15: those rules.

920
00:45:54,413 --> 00:45:56,613
Speaker 4: So do you think this is a new genre of

921
00:45:56,733 --> 00:46:02,253
Speaker 4: thoughts in the stories specifically written for audio books rather

922
00:46:02,373 --> 00:46:05,053
Speaker 4: than novels that have then been read out on ere

923
00:46:05,133 --> 00:46:06,573
Speaker 4: or adapted into audio.

924
00:46:07,373 --> 00:46:11,293
Speaker 15: I think if you ask Audible that question, they'd say absolutely,

925
00:46:11,333 --> 00:46:16,253
Speaker 15: because you know, the marketplace is very competitive. You know,

926
00:46:16,373 --> 00:46:19,533
Speaker 15: lots of people are now broadcasting audiobooks, So anything which

927
00:46:19,773 --> 00:46:23,293
Speaker 15: comes to the platform as an original is you know,

928
00:46:23,373 --> 00:46:27,933
Speaker 15: a great piece of ip. So but I'm very grateful

929
00:46:28,253 --> 00:46:29,973
Speaker 15: to Audible for believing in me.

930
00:46:30,093 --> 00:46:32,373
Speaker 4: So yeah, is it? What is the process like when

931
00:46:32,413 --> 00:46:34,613
Speaker 4: you have to get into the both and record a

932
00:46:34,613 --> 00:46:36,813
Speaker 4: whole book? Is it quite a daunting experience?

933
00:46:37,573 --> 00:46:40,533
Speaker 15: Well, in a way. They say to me, You've got

934
00:46:40,533 --> 00:46:43,653
Speaker 15: to have the finished manuscript before you start recording, and

935
00:46:43,653 --> 00:46:45,133
Speaker 15: I'm like yeah, yeah yeah, But then when I get

936
00:46:45,133 --> 00:46:46,733
Speaker 15: in there, I'm like, oh, that doesn't sound very good,

937
00:46:46,773 --> 00:46:49,853
Speaker 15: and I need to correct. There's a bit of flex,

938
00:46:50,413 --> 00:46:52,733
Speaker 15: you know, because sometimes things sound very different.

939
00:46:53,933 --> 00:46:55,613
Speaker 2: When you actually get in there. Yeah.

940
00:46:55,613 --> 00:46:59,893
Speaker 4: Of course, if you're doing real time eat it sometimes.

941
00:47:00,133 --> 00:47:01,813
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm doing that.

942
00:47:01,853 --> 00:47:05,013
Speaker 15: And what's lovely is listening to because you often there's

943
00:47:05,013 --> 00:47:07,693
Speaker 15: more than one reader, and listening to another reader read

944
00:47:07,773 --> 00:47:11,373
Speaker 15: your words, and realizing how skillful actors can be when

945
00:47:11,373 --> 00:47:13,933
Speaker 15: they make it sound better than it looks on the page.

946
00:47:14,133 --> 00:47:14,533
Speaker 5: Yeah.

947
00:47:14,613 --> 00:47:18,293
Speaker 4: Yeah, And how about the actual kind of logistics of

948
00:47:19,013 --> 00:47:21,533
Speaker 4: getting in a booth, protecting your voice to the point

949
00:47:21,533 --> 00:47:25,173
Speaker 4: that you can read out and entire novels worth of content,

950
00:47:25,253 --> 00:47:28,973
Speaker 4: and then do it again several times over in your case,

951
00:47:29,333 --> 00:47:29,973
Speaker 4: how do you find that.

952
00:47:31,413 --> 00:47:34,053
Speaker 15: It sounds like the easiest thing in the world to

953
00:47:34,053 --> 00:47:36,853
Speaker 15: sit down in front of a microphone and read nine

954
00:47:36,893 --> 00:47:40,013
Speaker 15: and a half to ten hours of story. But actually

955
00:47:40,093 --> 00:47:45,493
Speaker 15: I think the concentration getting it absolutely correct. And I

956
00:47:45,533 --> 00:47:47,853
Speaker 15: have a problem because I'm quite a mobile person. I'm

957
00:47:47,933 --> 00:47:50,933
Speaker 15: quite physical as an actor, and so I'm constantly being

958
00:47:50,933 --> 00:47:52,853
Speaker 15: told by the sound editor in the other room, like,

959
00:47:52,893 --> 00:47:55,093
Speaker 15: you can't You've got to sit still, you can't jump

960
00:47:55,133 --> 00:47:57,413
Speaker 15: them down, you can't wave your arms around if there's

961
00:47:57,413 --> 00:48:00,453
Speaker 15: a fight sequence, stop punching the mic. So because I

962
00:48:01,613 --> 00:48:03,693
Speaker 15: tend to start acting it out and it's really hard

963
00:48:03,733 --> 00:48:06,013
Speaker 15: to just sit there very still and focus on the voice.

964
00:48:06,373 --> 00:48:09,893
Speaker 4: And presumably, I mean presumably you make the little eras and

965
00:48:09,933 --> 00:48:11,653
Speaker 4: scuffs and things from time to time, and you have

966
00:48:11,733 --> 00:48:14,813
Speaker 4: to go backwards and correct things. But there must take

967
00:48:14,853 --> 00:48:16,693
Speaker 4: a lot. I mean, I'm just thinking, I'm reading my

968
00:48:16,773 --> 00:48:19,453
Speaker 4: eight year old Famous five at the moment, and I

969
00:48:19,453 --> 00:48:22,213
Speaker 4: can barely get through a paragraph without you know, confusing

970
00:48:22,893 --> 00:48:25,373
Speaker 4: you know, dick and to me or something like that.

971
00:48:25,493 --> 00:48:27,893
Speaker 4: It must it must actually take a lot of concentration.

972
00:48:28,853 --> 00:48:30,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do quite a lot of prep.

973
00:48:30,293 --> 00:48:31,893
Speaker 15: I'll do a couple of passes on a book and

974
00:48:31,893 --> 00:48:34,333
Speaker 15: I'll mark it up very clearly so that you know,

975
00:48:34,373 --> 00:48:37,613
Speaker 15: you don't stumble, especially if it's really long sentences. But yeah,

976
00:48:37,693 --> 00:48:39,293
Speaker 15: you can, you can correct it and it will all

977
00:48:39,373 --> 00:48:40,613
Speaker 15: come out perfect in the end.

978
00:48:40,813 --> 00:48:41,053
Speaker 5: Yeah.

979
00:48:41,373 --> 00:48:44,493
Speaker 4: How how do you feel about this form of storytelling

980
00:48:44,813 --> 00:48:47,453
Speaker 4: versus all of the on screen stuff, or versus all

981
00:48:47,493 --> 00:48:49,613
Speaker 4: the on screen stuff that you've done over the years.

982
00:48:50,093 --> 00:48:53,093
Speaker 15: Well, I mean they're all feeding each other and what's

983
00:48:53,133 --> 00:48:56,533
Speaker 15: really amazing And I haven't quite got to the to

984
00:48:56,613 --> 00:48:59,573
Speaker 15: the realization of it yet, but both Geneva and The

985
00:48:59,653 --> 00:49:03,733
Speaker 15: Cut have been optioned for adaptations, So you know, the

986
00:49:03,853 --> 00:49:06,573
Speaker 15: dream come true would be to be on set on

987
00:49:06,613 --> 00:49:09,013
Speaker 15: the very first day of filming of Geneva or The

988
00:49:09,053 --> 00:49:12,213
Speaker 15: Cut and just think I created this story, I'm the

989
00:49:12,333 --> 00:49:15,813
Speaker 15: architect of this and now I'm stepping into my own universe.

990
00:49:16,733 --> 00:49:20,893
Speaker 15: So yeah, it's amazing, but it's I do have a

991
00:49:21,013 --> 00:49:25,453
Speaker 15: very vivid visual imagination, so creating the world that I'm

992
00:49:25,493 --> 00:49:28,293
Speaker 15: going to write about has always been quite easy for me,

993
00:49:28,413 --> 00:49:31,013
Speaker 15: and I thank Peter Jackson for that, if I'm honest.

994
00:49:30,973 --> 00:49:31,853
Speaker 2: Yes, segue.

995
00:49:32,253 --> 00:49:36,693
Speaker 15: Yeah, when we were working on The Hobbit and we

996
00:49:36,813 --> 00:49:39,053
Speaker 15: work on a pure green screen set, he would come

997
00:49:39,093 --> 00:49:44,373
Speaker 15: in with his amazing childlike imagination and start describing everything

998
00:49:44,373 --> 00:49:46,973
Speaker 15: that we were seeing around us, And of course I

999
00:49:47,013 --> 00:49:49,533
Speaker 15: was triggered by that, but I realized his attention to

1000
00:49:49,653 --> 00:49:51,333
Speaker 15: detail is everything.

1001
00:49:51,453 --> 00:49:54,493
Speaker 4: So yeah, ah, fantastic. How do you reflect on that

1002
00:49:54,613 --> 00:49:55,773
Speaker 4: experience film in the Hobbit?

1003
00:49:56,453 --> 00:49:59,293
Speaker 15: It was amazing, And you know, one of the things

1004
00:49:59,333 --> 00:50:02,773
Speaker 15: I really remember is the guy and I've forgotten his name,

1005
00:50:02,813 --> 00:50:08,053
Speaker 15: but the guy who sculpted the prosthetic for Thorn's face,

1006
00:50:08,253 --> 00:50:10,213
Speaker 15: because we did I think they had to do about

1007
00:50:10,213 --> 00:50:13,813
Speaker 15: fourteen or fifteen different sculpts, and he told me that

1008
00:50:14,533 --> 00:50:16,493
Speaker 15: he had earplugs in every day and he would listen

1009
00:50:16,533 --> 00:50:20,133
Speaker 15: to ten or eleven audiobooks a week while sculpting this face,

1010
00:50:20,173 --> 00:50:22,893
Speaker 15: and that's when I thought, oh my goodness, this is

1011
00:50:22,933 --> 00:50:26,733
Speaker 15: a this is a really useful tool storytelling to the

1012
00:50:26,773 --> 00:50:29,733
Speaker 15: man who's sculpting Thorn's face. So I think about him

1013
00:50:29,733 --> 00:50:32,293
Speaker 15: every time I sit down in front of a microphone. No,

1014
00:50:32,573 --> 00:50:34,453
Speaker 15: it was a life changing experience for me. I left

1015
00:50:34,493 --> 00:50:36,333
Speaker 15: my heart in New Zealand, fell in love with the place,

1016
00:50:36,373 --> 00:50:39,293
Speaker 15: started looking at the possibility to live there.

1017
00:50:39,733 --> 00:50:39,973
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1018
00:50:40,053 --> 00:50:42,293
Speaker 4: Complete, Richard, We'll take you any day.

1019
00:50:42,453 --> 00:50:42,613
Speaker 8: You know.

1020
00:50:42,693 --> 00:50:44,813
Speaker 2: I have a theory about qwi's though.

1021
00:50:45,013 --> 00:50:47,853
Speaker 15: I always think, you know, they're desperate to travel the world,

1022
00:50:47,933 --> 00:50:50,493
Speaker 15: and then they they do, and they go all over

1023
00:50:50,533 --> 00:50:53,853
Speaker 15: the planet and realize what they were missing, that the

1024
00:50:54,333 --> 00:50:56,493
Speaker 15: world is a bit of a shithole and I'd better

1025
00:50:56,573 --> 00:50:57,893
Speaker 15: go home pretty quick.

1026
00:50:58,893 --> 00:51:01,373
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's some like t s Elliott quite or something.

1027
00:51:01,413 --> 00:51:03,093
Speaker 4: The more you travel, the more you actually come to

1028
00:51:03,173 --> 00:51:05,373
Speaker 4: appreciate the place you're from, I think, and that yes,

1029
00:51:05,613 --> 00:51:11,773
Speaker 4: in New Zealand. Dos. Yeah. Yeah, Look, congratulations on the cut,

1030
00:51:11,853 --> 00:51:13,493
Speaker 4: and thank you so much for giving us your time.

1031
00:51:13,533 --> 00:51:15,533
Speaker 4: We really appreciate it. And like I say, I'm sure

1032
00:51:15,573 --> 00:51:17,733
Speaker 4: we will gladly take you anytime, Richard.

1033
00:51:18,733 --> 00:51:21,253
Speaker 2: I will come back in a heartbeat. Please, we can

1034
00:51:21,293 --> 00:51:22,133
Speaker 2: do it face to face.

1035
00:51:23,573 --> 00:51:25,893
Speaker 4: We would love that. Thank you so much, Richard Armitage.

1036
00:51:26,133 --> 00:51:28,973
Speaker 4: He is the author of the cut. We'll make sure

1037
00:51:29,013 --> 00:51:30,773
Speaker 4: all the details are up on the news Talks. He'd

1038
00:51:30,773 --> 00:51:33,293
Speaker 4: be website before eleven o'clock. On news Talk, he'd be

1039
00:51:33,733 --> 00:51:38,413
Speaker 4: some brutally honest money advice. Our personal finance expert is

1040
00:51:38,413 --> 00:51:41,093
Speaker 4: in with three top tips, and he's swearing it's going

1041
00:51:41,133 --> 00:51:43,133
Speaker 4: to be brutally asked. He says, sometimes we talk too

1042
00:51:43,173 --> 00:51:46,493
Speaker 4: positively when it comes to personal finance, we talk too optimistically.

1043
00:51:47,053 --> 00:51:50,013
Speaker 4: He's not that he's necessarily talking negatively this morning. He's

1044
00:51:50,053 --> 00:51:51,453
Speaker 4: just going to be frank. He's going to cut to

1045
00:51:51,493 --> 00:51:54,573
Speaker 4: the chase with three really useful tips. So he's going

1046
00:51:54,613 --> 00:51:56,573
Speaker 4: to be with us soon. As well as that, I

1047
00:51:56,613 --> 00:52:02,053
Speaker 4: will explain why Mark Zuckerberg is suing Mark Zuckerberg. Yeah,

1048
00:52:02,133 --> 00:52:04,453
Speaker 4: details on that very shortly. Next up, though, your screen

1049
00:52:04,533 --> 00:52:07,333
Speaker 4: time picks for the weekend. It's ten you're with Jack Tame.

1050
00:52:07,373 --> 00:52:09,533
Speaker 4: It's Saturday morning. This is news Talk ZEDB.

1051
00:52:10,693 --> 00:52:13,973
Speaker 3: It's no on your weekend, Off the Right Way Saturday

1052
00:52:14,053 --> 00:52:16,413
Speaker 3: Morning with Jackdame, News Talks B.

1053
00:52:17,893 --> 00:52:20,573
Speaker 4: Jack really enjoyed watching Richard Armatis and the Hobbit. Great

1054
00:52:20,613 --> 00:52:22,013
Speaker 4: to have you him on the show this morning. Thank

1055
00:52:22,053 --> 00:52:23,613
Speaker 4: you for that ninety two ninety two If you want

1056
00:52:23,653 --> 00:52:25,453
Speaker 4: to send us a message this morning, it is twenty

1057
00:52:25,493 --> 00:52:29,093
Speaker 4: three past ten, which means it is screen time time.

1058
00:52:29,813 --> 00:52:34,013
Speaker 4: Tara Ward joins us every time this week. Every week

1059
00:52:34,053 --> 00:52:37,373
Speaker 4: at this time, I got there with her three shows

1060
00:52:37,373 --> 00:52:39,693
Speaker 4: to watch or stream at home. She's with us now

1061
00:52:39,813 --> 00:52:43,613
Speaker 4: killed Atara, Good morning. All three shows are on tvn

1062
00:52:43,653 --> 00:52:46,973
Speaker 4: Z Plus this week. So let's begin with The Paper.

1063
00:52:48,133 --> 00:52:48,373
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1064
00:52:48,373 --> 00:52:51,533
Speaker 11: This is a new mockumentary sitcom that comes from Greg

1065
00:52:51,573 --> 00:52:54,533
Speaker 11: Daniels and Michael Coleman, who of course made The Office US,

1066
00:52:54,893 --> 00:52:56,813
Speaker 11: and so this is a spin off from the Office.

1067
00:52:56,813 --> 00:52:59,373
Speaker 11: It's set in the same universe, if that makes sense.

1068
00:52:59,613 --> 00:53:02,933
Speaker 11: The Office US was a documentary about the Dundlar Mifflin

1069
00:53:03,013 --> 00:53:07,573
Speaker 11: Paper Company, and twenty years later, those same documentary makers

1070
00:53:07,613 --> 00:53:09,773
Speaker 11: have returned to find out what happened to the people

1071
00:53:09,773 --> 00:53:12,453
Speaker 11: who work there, and they follow a trail that leads

1072
00:53:12,493 --> 00:53:15,733
Speaker 11: them to the Toledo Truth Teller, which is a once

1073
00:53:15,853 --> 00:53:20,933
Speaker 11: glorious Midwestern newspaper that is now failing terribly. It shares

1074
00:53:20,973 --> 00:53:23,213
Speaker 11: its office with the toilet Paper part of the business.

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Speaker 11: The toilet paper is the only thing making enough money

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Speaker 11: to keep the newspaper going. A new editor in chief

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00:53:28,973 --> 00:53:32,813
Speaker 11: arrives to revive the newspaper with a team of volunteer reporters,

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00:53:32,853 --> 00:53:35,613
Speaker 11: some of whom are more experienced at selling toilet paper

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Speaker 11: than finding breaking news. I didn't think I'd say toilet

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00:53:38,133 --> 00:53:40,293
Speaker 11: paper so many times on the radio before.

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Speaker 7: But here we are.

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Speaker 11: So this is a satire about media. But if you

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00:53:43,013 --> 00:53:46,053
Speaker 11: like The Office US, there are lots of similarities here.

1084
00:53:46,173 --> 00:53:51,213
Speaker 11: Same kind of workplace comedy, same kind of awkward interactions

1085
00:53:51,413 --> 00:53:55,053
Speaker 11: and quirky characters. Donald Leson stars in this. British comedian

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00:53:55,133 --> 00:53:57,013
Speaker 11: Tim Key is in this as well. He goes full

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00:53:57,093 --> 00:54:01,213
Speaker 11: David Brent playing a strategy manager. It's a smart and

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00:54:01,253 --> 00:54:04,453
Speaker 11: warm kind of sitcom. Feels very familiar. You know, if

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00:54:04,453 --> 00:54:06,333
Speaker 11: you have watched The Office, this will feel very familiar.

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Speaker 11: And I think it gets better as it goes on

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00:54:08,253 --> 00:54:10,373
Speaker 11: and just becomes a bit more comfortable with itself.

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Speaker 4: Okay, cool, So that's the paper. Next up, tell us

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00:54:13,373 --> 00:54:14,293
Speaker 4: about in Flight.

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00:54:15,493 --> 00:54:15,693
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: This is a new British crime thriller and it's about

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00:54:18,573 --> 00:54:21,653
Speaker 11: how far one mother will go to protect her child.

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00:54:21,933 --> 00:54:24,853
Speaker 11: It stars Catherine Kelly, who plays a flight attendant whose

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00:54:24,933 --> 00:54:28,813
Speaker 11: nineteen year old son is arrested and imprisoned for murder

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00:54:28,853 --> 00:54:32,093
Speaker 11: while he's on holiday in Bulgaria. He claims he's innocent,

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00:54:32,133 --> 00:54:34,773
Speaker 11: but we're not quite so sure, And back in the UK,

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00:54:34,933 --> 00:54:37,893
Speaker 11: his mother, Joe, is targeted by a gang of criminals

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00:54:37,893 --> 00:54:41,373
Speaker 11: who blackmail her into smuggling drugs across Europe during her

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00:54:41,373 --> 00:54:44,573
Speaker 11: flights as a way of ensuring her son's safety in prison.

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Speaker 11: If she refuses to smuggle the drugs, he'll be killed,

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Speaker 11: and so she decides to do it with the help

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00:54:49,933 --> 00:54:52,533
Speaker 11: of a colleague and starts to realize that a lot

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00:54:52,573 --> 00:54:55,293
Speaker 11: of other people have been pulled into this corrupt world

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Speaker 11: as well.

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Speaker 7: And this is a.

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00:54:56,733 --> 00:54:59,813
Speaker 11: Drama that pulls you, grabs you straight away from the

1111
00:54:59,893 --> 00:55:02,333
Speaker 11: opening minutes and doesn't let up on the grip the

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Speaker 11: whole time, which I found to be a little bit

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00:55:04,933 --> 00:55:08,453
Speaker 11: exhausting and a bit bleaker times. But if you like

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00:55:08,813 --> 00:55:12,933
Speaker 11: a tense, almost claustrophobic kind of thriller that doesn't waste

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00:55:12,973 --> 00:55:17,133
Speaker 11: any time and isn't over complicated and is quite dark,

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00:55:17,733 --> 00:55:21,093
Speaker 11: I would definitely recommend this. It is far fetched, but

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00:55:21,853 --> 00:55:23,453
Speaker 11: almost in a good way, and that you can just

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00:55:23,533 --> 00:55:25,693
Speaker 11: kind of fall into it completely and not have to

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Speaker 11: think too hard about it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, cool. So that's in Flight and last, but

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Speaker 4: not least, Bay of Fires.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: This is a second season of this darkly funny, quite

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00:55:36,373 --> 00:55:40,933
Speaker 11: unusual Australian mystery drama. This stars Rachel House, Stephen Curry,

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00:55:40,973 --> 00:55:46,173
Speaker 11: and Martin Dusseldorf, who plays this high flying Melbourne CEO

1126
00:55:46,333 --> 00:55:49,413
Speaker 11: who suddenly has to drop everything and escape to Tasmania

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00:55:49,413 --> 00:55:53,293
Speaker 11: with her children. She's trying to avoid being hunted down

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Speaker 11: by an organized crime cartel who's looking for her business partner,

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Speaker 11: and the police send them to this tiny Tasmanian town

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Speaker 11: called Mystery Bay under a witness protection kind of scheme.

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Speaker 11: And it's a town where the low are very suspicious

1132
00:56:07,693 --> 00:56:10,973
Speaker 11: of any newcomers and it's a very much a kind

1133
00:56:11,013 --> 00:56:13,093
Speaker 11: of a fish out of water situation. But there's a

1134
00:56:13,093 --> 00:56:15,813
Speaker 11: lot more going on in this town than first appears.

1135
00:56:16,213 --> 00:56:18,493
Speaker 11: And I started watching this back in twenty twenty three

1136
00:56:18,533 --> 00:56:20,853
Speaker 11: when season one came out, and I wasn't sure about it.

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00:56:21,493 --> 00:56:24,013
Speaker 11: Sometimes it doesn't quite get that balance between comedy and

1138
00:56:24,093 --> 00:56:27,093
Speaker 11: drama quite right. But I kept going and started to

1139
00:56:27,133 --> 00:56:29,933
Speaker 11: really enjoy it. It almost feels like a scanty noir

1140
00:56:30,293 --> 00:56:33,133
Speaker 11: drama with all the forest and the mist of the

1141
00:56:33,173 --> 00:56:36,693
Speaker 11: Tasmanian mountains. It's beautifully shot, but it's also got this

1142
00:56:36,813 --> 00:56:39,893
Speaker 11: really dry, dark Australian humor in there as well, and

1143
00:56:39,933 --> 00:56:42,773
Speaker 11: some mystery and crime chucked in there too. So this

1144
00:56:42,813 --> 00:56:44,973
Speaker 11: is a show that won't give you all the answers

1145
00:56:45,013 --> 00:56:46,893
Speaker 11: at once. It's going to keep you guessing and keep

1146
00:56:46,893 --> 00:56:48,653
Speaker 11: you on your toes, so you have to have some

1147
00:56:48,733 --> 00:56:51,173
Speaker 11: patience with it, but it pays off in the end.

1148
00:56:51,293 --> 00:56:54,573
Speaker 11: It's over the top, but in quite an intriguing, delightful

1149
00:56:54,613 --> 00:56:54,973
Speaker 11: kind of way.

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00:56:55,053 --> 00:56:57,813
Speaker 4: Yeah right, Okay, that sounds interesting. So that's Bay of Fires.

1151
00:56:58,333 --> 00:57:02,013
Speaker 4: Tara's other shows, The Paper and In Flight. All three

1152
00:57:02,053 --> 00:57:04,933
Speaker 4: of those shows are streaming on TVNZ Plus and we'll

1153
00:57:04,933 --> 00:57:06,333
Speaker 4: have details on the News Talk'd be.

1154
00:57:06,413 --> 00:57:14,373
Speaker 1: Website getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack

1155
00:57:14,453 --> 00:57:41,533
Speaker 1: Team on News talksb.

1156
00:57:33,053 --> 00:57:36,333
Speaker 4: Jill fingers crossed. Summer is going to be upon us

1157
00:57:36,373 --> 00:57:39,733
Speaker 4: before we even know, although around many parts of the

1158
00:57:39,733 --> 00:57:42,493
Speaker 4: country today it's going to feel a whole whole hole

1159
00:57:43,053 --> 00:57:46,013
Speaker 4: long way off. Gearing up for the season, two major

1160
00:57:46,053 --> 00:57:48,573
Speaker 4: festivals have announce their lineups this week. You got Homegrown

1161
00:57:48,613 --> 00:57:51,853
Speaker 4: and Electric Avenue Homegrown is a bit of a Kiwi staple.

1162
00:57:51,973 --> 00:57:54,613
Speaker 4: It's made its home in Wellington for the last eighteen years,

1163
00:57:54,653 --> 00:57:56,853
Speaker 4: but of course next year it's going to be making

1164
00:57:56,893 --> 00:58:00,173
Speaker 4: the move to Hamilton for the first time. And Electric

1165
00:58:00,213 --> 00:58:03,853
Speaker 4: Avenue has just kind of exploded in size over the

1166
00:58:03,933 --> 00:58:06,733
Speaker 4: last few years. It is now the biggest feest in

1167
00:58:06,773 --> 00:58:10,173
Speaker 4: the country, surpassing the likes of Rhythm and Vines. It's

1168
00:58:10,213 --> 00:58:12,973
Speaker 4: based in the O three in christ Church. It runs

1169
00:58:12,973 --> 00:58:15,693
Speaker 4: over two days and the lineup announcement featured the very

1170
00:58:15,893 --> 00:58:20,733
Speaker 4: special surprise that Split Ends are going to reunite for

1171
00:58:20,813 --> 00:58:27,413
Speaker 4: an incredible, hotly anticipated performance. Seventy thousand people. You heard

1172
00:58:27,453 --> 00:58:31,093
Speaker 4: that right. Seventy thousand signed up for the presale, so

1173
00:58:31,253 --> 00:58:33,413
Speaker 4: no doubt there is going to be a massive crowd.

1174
00:58:33,933 --> 00:58:36,293
Speaker 4: Our music reviewer Estelle Clifford is going to be in

1175
00:58:36,333 --> 00:58:38,493
Speaker 4: perform mid day to run us through some of the

1176
00:58:38,533 --> 00:58:40,333
Speaker 4: acts we can see over the summer and let us

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Speaker 4: know who she thinks are going to be most worth

1178
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Speaker 4: the watch. Don't forget as well if you are in

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Speaker 4: Tarmiqi Makoda as in the electorate. If you are registered

1180
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Speaker 4: to vote in the Tarmiqi Makodo electorate today is the

1181
00:58:53,653 --> 00:58:56,413
Speaker 4: day of the Tarmaqi Makodo by election. I've got to

1182
00:58:56,453 --> 00:59:00,973
Speaker 4: say it is not a great day weather wise, to

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00:59:01,013 --> 00:59:02,613
Speaker 4: say the least. Hopefully this is going to favor the

1184
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Speaker 4: All Backs when they run out on Eden Park this evening.

1185
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Speaker 4: But if you are Tamaki Makoto today and you haven't

1186
00:59:08,213 --> 00:59:10,533
Speaker 4: yet cast a vote, your registered to vote, today is

1187
00:59:10,573 --> 00:59:12,373
Speaker 4: the day to do it if you wish to do so.

1188
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Speaker 4: Twenty eight to eleven you're with Jactame on Newstalks EDB.

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00:59:20,253 --> 00:59:26,853
Speaker 1: Of thirty year unbeaten, run your hor fifty consecutive test matches,

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Speaker 1: run away and South Africa want to end it.

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00:59:33,773 --> 00:59:36,533
Speaker 4: And Shorty Barret's over and the Right Way.

1192
00:59:36,533 --> 00:59:39,933
Speaker 1: Corner Live commentary if the Rugby Championship continues.

1193
00:59:40,173 --> 00:59:40,613
Speaker 7: Game in.

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Speaker 1: Old Blakes B South Africa live at Eaton Park from

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Speaker 1: six pm tonight with Access Solutions on Newstalks EDB. You're

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Speaker 1: black l.

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00:59:58,293 --> 01:00:01,533
Speaker 4: Twenty five to eleven on Newstalks EDB You're Jactame through

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Speaker 4: to midday today. Time to catch up with our TEXTBT

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Speaker 4: Paul Stenhouse and Paul this is very confused. But Mark Zuckerberg,

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Speaker 4: he of Facebook fame, is suing Mark Zuckerberg and would

1201
01:00:12,813 --> 01:00:15,813
Speaker 4: you believe it's over problems that Mark Zuckerberg's having on Facebook.

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Speaker 13: Yes, but Mark Zuckerberg is being sued by a Mark

1203
01:00:21,773 --> 01:00:26,013
Speaker 13: Zuckerberg who lives in Indiana. So the one who is

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01:00:26,053 --> 01:00:30,253
Speaker 13: suing the Facebook founder is known as Mark s Zuckerberg.

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Speaker 13: The one who runs the giant social media company is

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01:00:34,293 --> 01:00:38,893
Speaker 13: Mark E. Zuckerberg. And Mark s Zuckerberg has been around

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Speaker 13: for significantly longer.

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Speaker 4: In fact, he's a lawyer.

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Speaker 13: And I think he said he's been practicing law since

1210
01:00:45,173 --> 01:00:49,773
Speaker 13: Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook fame was just in nappies. So

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Speaker 13: what's going on, you ask, Well, you can probably guess

1212
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Speaker 13: Mark Zuckerberg has a bit of a hard time, especially

1213
01:00:57,533 --> 01:01:02,453
Speaker 13: on Facebook, because Mark Zuckerberg's account keeps being suspended and

1214
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Speaker 13: shut down because people think he is impersonating a celebrity

1215
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Speaker 13: aka Mark Zuckerberg, the founder of that very platform.

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Speaker 7: But he is not Jack.

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Speaker 13: His real name is Mark Zuckerberg, and he is a lawyer.

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Speaker 13: And this is what he says. Okay, this is a

1219
01:01:17,613 --> 01:01:21,573
Speaker 13: real case. He says that when the account is suspended,

1220
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Speaker 13: obviously it's annoying, but it's not that it's the problem.

1221
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Speaker 13: The problem is there is a breach of contract because

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Speaker 13: at one point he had paid eleven thousand dollars for

1223
01:01:30,173 --> 01:01:34,213
Speaker 13: some advertising and that was improperly taken down and I

1224
01:01:34,253 --> 01:01:38,613
Speaker 13: don't think the contract was fulfilled because when they suspended

1225
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Speaker 13: his account, it also suspended his ad account.

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Speaker 5: You see.

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Speaker 13: Ah, So apparently this has been going on quite some time.

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Speaker 13: His frustration is, you know, been mounting. And Meta now

1229
01:01:52,893 --> 01:01:56,133
Speaker 13: says that it has reinstated of Mark Zuckerberg's account. It

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Speaker 13: has been disabled in error, and we appreciate mister Zuckerberg's

1231
01:02:00,173 --> 01:02:02,573
Speaker 13: continued patients on this issue and are working to try

1232
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Speaker 13: to prevent this from happening in the future.

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Speaker 4: I'm on Mark Zuckerberg's side with this one. Oh same here.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what you think. I mean, it would

1235
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Speaker 4: be very interesting to see who the court favors, but

1236
01:02:11,293 --> 01:02:15,813
Speaker 4: I reckon Mark exactly might come out on top. Actually

1237
01:02:15,813 --> 01:02:18,133
Speaker 4: it would drive you Natze. Do you have anyone who

1238
01:02:18,173 --> 01:02:20,253
Speaker 4: has how many Paul Steenhouses? Are there?

1239
01:02:21,093 --> 01:02:21,573
Speaker 13: Very few?

1240
01:02:21,693 --> 01:02:22,533
Speaker 7: Actually there's do you know?

1241
01:02:22,573 --> 01:02:25,133
Speaker 13: There's another two Paul Steenhouses just in christ Jurse.

1242
01:02:25,253 --> 01:02:26,813
Speaker 4: Okay, so there's more.

1243
01:02:27,493 --> 01:02:28,173
Speaker 7: It's very weird.

1244
01:02:28,213 --> 01:02:30,733
Speaker 13: At one point one of the Paul Steenhouses. I was

1245
01:02:30,773 --> 01:02:33,893
Speaker 13: a painter and painted my parents' house. So my parents

1246
01:02:33,893 --> 01:02:36,213
Speaker 13: were at a checked Paul steenhouse that I really should

1247
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Speaker 13: have nabbed.

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Speaker 4: That's pretty cool. Let's good. Are there any Paul Steenhouse

1249
01:02:40,133 --> 01:02:45,133
Speaker 4: texperts out there or are you the only? So? So

1250
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Speaker 4: far as I know, there are two Jack Tames that

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01:02:47,613 --> 01:02:49,773
Speaker 4: aren't me. So there's one Jack Tame who's out like

1252
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Speaker 4: a university lecturer in the UK, and the other Jack Tame,

1253
01:02:53,973 --> 01:02:59,013
Speaker 4: confusingly is a journalist. But here's the thing, Jack Tame

1254
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Speaker 4: the journalist. It works for the National Broadcasting Corporation of

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Speaker 4: Papua New Guinea and lives in the Western Highlands and

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Speaker 4: part for New Guinea. And I don't think I'm giving

1257
01:03:08,093 --> 01:03:10,853
Speaker 4: too much away when I suggest that Jack Tame of

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01:03:10,933 --> 01:03:13,453
Speaker 4: Papua and New Guinea looks very different to me, Like

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Speaker 4: there's no confus if we walk into a room. There's

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Speaker 4: no confusing me and Jack Tame. There might be if

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Speaker 4: you compare our work, but there is no confusing us

1262
01:03:20,613 --> 01:03:23,453
Speaker 4: in person. So there you go. Funny how these things

1263
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Speaker 4: work out.

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Speaker 13: Hey, he doesn't do probably very well on the SEO?

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Speaker 4: Does he well?

1266
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Speaker 7: Yes?

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01:03:28,013 --> 01:03:31,213
Speaker 4: On the Search engine optimization? Matt Mate, Well maybe not.

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Speaker 4: Maybe you never know. Sometimes I get a notification on

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Speaker 4: Twitter or something like that saying oh, you know, you're trending,

1270
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Speaker 4: and I was say, oh, okay, and I'm trending in

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Speaker 4: the western highlands of Papua New Guinea. Hey, open ai

1272
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Speaker 4: is coming for LinkedIn.

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Speaker 10: Yes.

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Speaker 13: So open ai is the company behind chat GPT and

1275
01:03:48,733 --> 01:03:52,053
Speaker 13: they have got a new head of Applications. So that's

1276
01:03:52,173 --> 01:03:55,533
Speaker 13: this woman's job is to basically think of all these

1277
01:03:55,573 --> 01:03:58,733
Speaker 13: different ways to be coming up with new things that

1278
01:03:58,773 --> 01:04:01,613
Speaker 13: you can be doing with their technology. And what they're

1279
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Speaker 13: going to be doing is creating what they're calling the

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Speaker 13: Jobs Platform, and they're going to be used AI, their

1281
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Speaker 13: own AI to be matching employers and job seekers together. Okay,

1282
01:04:14,013 --> 01:04:16,853
Speaker 13: but where they're going to start, I assume start, maybe finish,

1283
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Speaker 13: I don't know, but where they're going to start at

1284
01:04:18,733 --> 01:04:22,213
Speaker 13: least is they want to find people who have got

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Speaker 13: AI skills and they want to match those with companies

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Speaker 13: who want people with AI skills. Obviously, they're recognizing the

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Speaker 13: fact that the world is changing, jobs are changing, They're

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Speaker 13: potentially may be less entry level jobs and some jobs

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Speaker 13: may disappear. So they're also going to work on a

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Speaker 13: certifications program so that you can do these certifications show

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Speaker 13: that you're AI certified and then sort of make yourself

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Speaker 13: available for work on this job's platform. But it's really

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Speaker 13: interesting what chat GPT is going for because they you know, they're.

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Speaker 4: Not stopping no with just this with the chatbot.

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Speaker 13: Kind of piece, right, They're also looking at a web browser.

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Speaker 13: They're also looking at a social media app. And the

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Speaker 13: woman who I said is the one who now runs

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Speaker 13: the applications team. She she was the former head of Facebook,

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Speaker 13: so when Facebook really large and Instagram and what's that.

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Speaker 13: She was the head of Facebook, so she knows a

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Speaker 13: thing or two about social media. So just very interesting

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Speaker 13: to see where this company's going. You know, it's interesting.

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Speaker 13: I feel kind of bad for some of these startups,

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Speaker 13: right because there are a lot of startups in the

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Speaker 13: AI space at the moment who are trying to solve

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Speaker 13: some very niche problems and then you hear something like this,

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Speaker 13: It's like, well, no, there we go open, just took lunch, Sorry.

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Speaker 4: About it all right, Hey, thanks Paul, appreciate your time.

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Speaker 4: That is te expert Paul Steenhouse, not to be confused

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Speaker 4: with house painter Paul Steenhouse. Before eleven o'clock on Newstalks

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Speaker 4: he'd be. We're in the garden and we're talking like

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Speaker 4: in this morning. You know how if you're going to

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01:05:51,373 --> 01:05:53,053
Speaker 4: that like on the base of trees and that kind

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Speaker 4: of thing. Sometimes on other plants you see a bit

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Speaker 4: of like and gather over time. Our man the garden

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Speaker 4: is going to give us all the details and let

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Speaker 4: us know if there's anything we need to look out for.

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Speaker 4: Next up, though, our personal finance expert with some brutally

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Speaker 4: honest money advice.

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Speaker 3: No better way to kick off your weekend than Jack.

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Speaker 1: Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks.

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Speaker 4: That'd be seventeen minutes through eleven our news Storksai'd be

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Speaker 4: time to catch up with our personal finance expert. E

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Speaker 4: McKnight is here from Opie's Partners this morning. Good morning,

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Speaker 4: Great to be here, Jack, Great to be speaking with you.

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Speaker 4: Although I'm shaking in my boots this morning. You have

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Speaker 4: brutally honest advice, brutally honest money advice for kiwis who

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Speaker 4: want to get ahead this morning.

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Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing.

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Speaker 16: I often try and be very encouraging when I'm on

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Speaker 16: this show, but someone reached out to me and said, oh,

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Speaker 16: keep be a bit more brutal. Tell us what you're

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01:06:44,213 --> 01:06:46,973
Speaker 16: scared that we might get offended at. And so I've

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Speaker 16: come up with three things and I think are brutally

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Speaker 16: honest that people really need to know. And I think

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Speaker 16: the first thing when it comes to money is that

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Speaker 16: you are not destined to be wealthy, which sounds quite

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Speaker 16: quite sad and shocking, But the thing is a lot

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Speaker 16: of us have this patron in our heads about what

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Speaker 16: our lives are going to be like, and you almost

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01:07:05,893 --> 01:07:08,853
Speaker 16: feel some like it's destined to happen. The truth of

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01:07:08,973 --> 01:07:11,373
Speaker 16: the matter is wanting to be wealthy or to have

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01:07:11,453 --> 01:07:13,573
Speaker 16: a batch or a nice car is not going to

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Speaker 16: make it happen. And I read a really interesting study

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Speaker 16: recently out of the University of New York, and it

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Speaker 16: found that even if you really really want something, that

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Speaker 16: only explains about twenty percent of whether it's going to

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Speaker 16: happen or not. Because even if you really want something,

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Speaker 16: we get distracted, or we give up when we're bored,

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Speaker 16: or it gets a bit hard. And so the first

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Speaker 16: thing is, you know, even if you want a lot

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Speaker 16: of money, wanting it is not enough. We've got to

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Speaker 16: do some other things to make it happen. As obvious

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Speaker 16: as that actually sound Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean that Actually that is a very good point, right,

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Speaker 4: because a lot of us kind of you know, have

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Speaker 4: these kind of loose dreams about the kind of lives

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Speaker 4: or lifestyles that we want to have. But actually breaking

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Speaker 4: down the kind of steps that you need to go

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Speaker 4: through in order to get there is, you know, is

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Speaker 4: something that many of us wouldn't necessarily do. So that

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Speaker 4: does make a lot of sense. Well, it's another bit

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Speaker 4: of brutal advice you've got rus.

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Speaker 16: Well, if you really care about earning more through your job,

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Speaker 16: it doesn't actually matter how valuable your skills are. That

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Speaker 16: matters a bit, But what really matters is how rare

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Speaker 16: the skills are. And I think a lot of people

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Speaker 16: do not focus enough on this. So the way I

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Speaker 16: always think about it is, how is it that you

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Speaker 16: can have two people who both go to university, they

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Speaker 16: study for four years, but a decade after they graduate,

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Speaker 16: one of the moon's call it ninety thousand dollars and

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Speaker 16: another earns one hundred and ninety thousand dollars, like an

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Speaker 16: extra one hundred thousand dollars. Because that is the reality

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Speaker 16: of what happens. And if you think about, say a

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Speaker 16: teacher now teachers have such an incredibly valuable job to do.

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Speaker 16: They are raising the next generation, and everybody would say

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Speaker 16: that is an incredibly valuable job for society. And yet

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Speaker 16: after a few good years in the job, some of

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Speaker 16: them end up on about ninety thousand dollars and a

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Speaker 16: lot of us would say, oh, that's not much for

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Speaker 16: that hard job that they do, that valuable job that

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Speaker 16: they do. And yet if you look at some people,

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Speaker 16: not everyone in the bank, but some people who work

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Speaker 16: for the bank and sit in their spreadsheets, they could

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Speaker 16: earn one hundred and ninety thousand dollars, and all of

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Speaker 16: us would say, would you really miss it if you

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Speaker 16: didn't have an extra spreadsheet person sitting in the bank,

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Speaker 16: And yet they earn so much more. And what I

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Speaker 16: want keVs to focus on is not just how valuable

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Speaker 16: the skill is, but how rare is it. There are

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Speaker 16: a lot of kids who grow up wanting to be teachers.

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Speaker 16: There are not many kids who grow up saying I'd

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Speaker 16: love to sit in a bank with a spreadsheet. And

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Speaker 16: so don't just think about how much demand there is

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Speaker 16: for your skill, but how rare the skill is as well,

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Speaker 16: Because if there aren't many people being actuaries or any

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Speaker 16: of those boring jobs. Then it's much easier to get

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Speaker 16: businesses to bid your salary or what you get paid up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a very good point. And then you know,

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Speaker 4: I think you make a really good point around teachers, like,

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Speaker 4: no one's disputing the value of the job, right, but

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Speaker 4: it is. It's the scarcity thing, and you know, it's

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01:10:04,133 --> 01:10:05,293
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, it's a kind of

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Speaker 4: a you know, a kind of the rules of supply

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Speaker 4: and demand. Said listen, and I suppose to be people

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Speaker 4: who say, well, actually, you know, I'm not like, the

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01:10:13,413 --> 01:10:16,053
Speaker 4: reason I work isn't solely to make money. But the

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Speaker 4: truth is, to go back to your first point, if

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Speaker 4: you do aspire to a certain life or lifestyle, then

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Speaker 4: at some point you do need to address the income

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Speaker 4: side of things. And then that brings you to your

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Speaker 4: third bit of brutal advice this morning.

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Speaker 16: Ed, which is that most people are not going to

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Speaker 16: make a significant amount of wealth through their work, and

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01:10:34,613 --> 01:10:37,813
Speaker 16: so you've got to find ways to build wealth outside

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01:10:37,813 --> 01:10:39,613
Speaker 16: of the job you do. Because I know, for most

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01:10:39,733 --> 01:10:42,333
Speaker 16: Keywi's listening, you go to work, you get your pay,

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Speaker 16: you spend most of it, and often there's not that

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Speaker 16: much leftover, and so a lot of us are not

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Speaker 16: going to get rich through our jobs unless we're CEOs

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Speaker 16: or we are those bankers with the spreadsheets. So we've

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Speaker 16: got to think, how are we going to build wealth

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Speaker 16: outside of work? Now, the obvious answer is investing, and

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01:10:58,573 --> 01:11:00,213
Speaker 16: you can do that in lots of ways. I'm a

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Speaker 16: property guy, but you could invest in shares or build

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01:11:03,093 --> 01:11:05,133
Speaker 16: businesses or a lot of a lot of other ways.

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Speaker 16: But if we are investing effectively, we've got to take

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01:11:08,453 --> 01:11:11,413
Speaker 16: money that we would otherwise spend today and use it

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01:11:11,453 --> 01:11:14,653
Speaker 16: to buy properly or shares or something else. And that

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01:11:14,693 --> 01:11:16,733
Speaker 16: can be hard and boring. So you've just got to

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Speaker 16: have it in your mind, why am I doing this

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01:11:18,493 --> 01:11:20,893
Speaker 16: because I need to build wealth outside my work?

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Speaker 5: Do you know?

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Speaker 4: Once upon a time I had a conversation with a billionaire,

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01:11:24,773 --> 01:11:27,053
Speaker 4: as you do, like just a very casual conversation. It

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01:11:27,093 --> 01:11:29,813
Speaker 4: was very very interesting, and one thing that this person

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01:11:29,853 --> 01:11:32,413
Speaker 4: said to me was, you don't get rich working for

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01:11:32,453 --> 01:11:35,293
Speaker 4: someone else. And so if that is something you do

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01:11:35,333 --> 01:11:39,093
Speaker 4: aspire to, if you aspire to great riches or to

1441
01:11:39,133 --> 01:11:41,813
Speaker 4: a certain kind of life and lifestyle, I think at

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01:11:41,853 --> 01:11:44,853
Speaker 4: the end of the day that the way that most

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01:11:44,893 --> 01:11:47,013
Speaker 4: people might get to that level of wealth is not

1444
01:11:47,133 --> 01:11:49,933
Speaker 4: through being an employee. It's through being an employer.

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01:11:51,333 --> 01:11:53,293
Speaker 16: I think that's definitely the case for a lot of

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01:11:53,333 --> 01:11:55,173
Speaker 16: people personally. I've found that myself.

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Speaker 4: Thanks you, Timed, appreciate it. Ed McKnight from Opie's Partners

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01:11:58,373 --> 01:12:01,173
Speaker 4: with us this morning after eleven o'clock this morning. Oh,

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01:12:01,493 --> 01:12:03,853
Speaker 4: really looking forward to this. We have a brand new

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01:12:03,893 --> 01:12:08,173
Speaker 4: book from friend to the show, Lee Child. No it's

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01:12:08,213 --> 01:12:10,693
Speaker 4: not a Reacher book. I know what you're thinking. And no,

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01:12:10,853 --> 01:12:12,573
Speaker 4: he's been doing those where we are now. Of course,

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01:12:12,573 --> 01:12:15,013
Speaker 4: his brother's doing a few of them instead. This is

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Speaker 4: the first ever autobiographical collection that Lee Child has released.

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01:12:19,693 --> 01:12:22,213
Speaker 4: It's called The Stories Behind the Stories. Our book reviewer

1456
01:12:22,253 --> 01:12:23,733
Speaker 4: has read it this week. She's going to give us

1457
01:12:23,813 --> 01:12:26,373
Speaker 4: all the details as well as that our travel correspondent

1458
01:12:26,493 --> 01:12:28,693
Speaker 4: is in traveling to an amazing part of the world

1459
01:12:28,693 --> 01:12:32,453
Speaker 4: this morning, Brattislava in Slovakia. So he'll be with us

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01:12:32,493 --> 01:12:34,493
Speaker 4: after eleven. Right now, it's ten to eleven. We're in

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Speaker 4: the garden. Next on news talks, he'd be gardening.

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Speaker 1: We're still show up. Dollars are selected still tools for Dad.

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Speaker 4: Rude Clive pass is our man in the garden. He's

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Speaker 4: with us this morning. Hey rude, hey.

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Speaker 6: Jack, have you got lichens on your plants?

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Speaker 4: I've got lichens, lichens on the on the trunks of

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Speaker 4: my trees. And yes, my trees do remain or you

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01:12:57,933 --> 01:12:59,933
Speaker 4: remember the benefew dramas with the trees at my place.

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01:12:59,933 --> 01:13:02,613
Speaker 4: But for example, the Bohodakawa has lots of lichen on

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01:13:02,693 --> 01:13:06,933
Speaker 4: the on its trunk. So yeah, but I already think

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Speaker 4: about it. Ah, It's one of those things you sort

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01:13:08,693 --> 01:13:11,653
Speaker 4: of know, Yeah, unless you actually slow down and observe it,

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01:13:11,693 --> 01:13:14,413
Speaker 4: you often kind of just glance by and don't even

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Speaker 4: notice it.

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Speaker 6: Well, that's that's one of the things. The other thing

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01:13:18,973 --> 01:13:21,613
Speaker 6: is that I've actually started looking at these things at

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01:13:21,733 --> 01:13:24,653
Speaker 6: night with a UV torch. I mean it's just I mean,

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01:13:24,773 --> 01:13:27,093
Speaker 6: just making this up because this is what I do. Sometimes,

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01:13:27,093 --> 01:13:29,773
Speaker 6: go outside, you got your UV torch on, and you

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Speaker 6: look at the lichens, which are always gray gray blue

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01:13:33,693 --> 01:13:37,253
Speaker 6: or greeny gray blue type thing. Right, But when you

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01:13:37,253 --> 01:13:41,533
Speaker 6: look under UV, suddenly one of them will turn orange, yeah, right,

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01:13:42,373 --> 01:13:46,733
Speaker 6: and another one yellow and another one blue. It's just bizarre.

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01:13:47,053 --> 01:13:50,213
Speaker 6: So they've they've kind of interested me for the last

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01:13:50,253 --> 01:13:54,213
Speaker 6: few years a little bit, but recently, of course Julie,

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01:13:54,733 --> 01:13:58,373
Speaker 6: Julie's got this magnolio which is full of this stuff.

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01:13:58,693 --> 01:14:01,293
Speaker 6: And it was, of course like, what are we going

1488
01:14:01,333 --> 01:14:03,453
Speaker 6: to do about this? This doesn't look good. The plant's

1489
01:14:03,493 --> 01:14:08,093
Speaker 6: not doing well, not enough flowers. What can you get

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01:14:08,173 --> 01:14:08,573
Speaker 6: rid of that?

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01:14:09,173 --> 01:14:11,133
Speaker 7: Well, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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Speaker 6: You know, so I started looking into that sort of

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01:14:13,773 --> 01:14:19,533
Speaker 6: stuff too, and then realized that that those lichens, of

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Speaker 6: course they're not by the way, they're not plants at all.

1495
01:14:22,053 --> 01:14:25,973
Speaker 6: They are a completely different group of great jokes Christians.

1496
01:14:26,173 --> 01:14:30,773
Speaker 4: Yeah, so do they use photosynthesis or how do they

1497
01:14:31,013 --> 01:14:32,973
Speaker 4: how do they get energy and restore energy? And how

1498
01:14:32,973 --> 01:14:33,453
Speaker 4: do they grow?

1499
01:14:34,733 --> 01:14:37,213
Speaker 6: Well, first of all, they're made up of say two

1500
01:14:37,333 --> 01:14:42,413
Speaker 6: or three different things fungus, a fungus, a blue green

1501
01:14:42,533 --> 01:14:46,693
Speaker 6: algae or a cyanobacteria, and sometimes the third one is

1502
01:14:46,693 --> 01:14:51,293
Speaker 6: a yeast. And the cold thing is the fungi are

1503
01:14:51,373 --> 01:14:56,053
Speaker 6: basically the ones that can store water, right. The algae can't.

1504
01:14:56,093 --> 01:14:59,133
Speaker 6: They quite often dry out. So what the fungus does.

1505
01:14:59,173 --> 01:15:01,613
Speaker 6: It says, you know what, here's some of my water.

1506
01:15:02,133 --> 01:15:04,093
Speaker 6: And then the algie says, you know, you know what,

1507
01:15:05,093 --> 01:15:08,413
Speaker 6: not a big deal. I can do photosynthesis, and I'll

1508
01:15:08,453 --> 01:15:12,053
Speaker 6: send you some sugars from my photosynthesis if you give

1509
01:15:12,133 --> 01:15:14,893
Speaker 6: me water, and the same with the yeast that comes

1510
01:15:14,933 --> 01:15:17,813
Speaker 6: in there as well. So basically, what you're looking at

1511
01:15:17,813 --> 01:15:22,293
Speaker 6: here is basically a fabulous collaboration of two or three

1512
01:15:22,413 --> 01:15:25,293
Speaker 6: different creatures that live on the trunk.

1513
01:15:25,453 --> 01:15:28,893
Speaker 4: So to be totally clear, is it a standalone creature?

1514
01:15:29,093 --> 01:15:31,453
Speaker 4: Is it like in a standalone creature? Is it a

1515
01:15:31,453 --> 01:15:32,333
Speaker 4: living thing or.

1516
01:15:32,293 --> 01:15:34,933
Speaker 6: Is it just no, Yes, it's a living thing, but

1517
01:15:34,973 --> 01:15:40,413
Speaker 6: it's made from three different partners. If not that, it's like,

1518
01:15:40,453 --> 01:15:45,253
Speaker 6: are you go, yes, exactly, So we'll talk about We'll

1519
01:15:45,253 --> 01:15:48,053
Speaker 6: talk a little bit about it in another in another episode.

1520
01:15:48,093 --> 01:15:51,653
Speaker 6: But for instance, in the Netherlands, we did not have

1521
01:15:51,733 --> 01:15:54,933
Speaker 6: many likens because there was too much pollution in the air.

1522
01:15:55,413 --> 01:15:58,613
Speaker 6: And the reason is very simple that the likean can't

1523
01:15:58,653 --> 01:16:01,973
Speaker 6: stand that pollution and therefore is not very common there

1524
01:16:02,013 --> 01:16:03,173
Speaker 6: on the tree trunks.

1525
01:16:03,613 --> 01:16:04,253
Speaker 5: It's crazy.

1526
01:16:04,293 --> 01:16:07,093
Speaker 6: That's what I know about, and that's how I learned

1527
01:16:07,173 --> 01:16:11,093
Speaker 6: everything on forestry too. But anyway, so Julie says, look,

1528
01:16:11,173 --> 01:16:13,173
Speaker 6: this is this is it? I said, well, look, but

1529
01:16:13,253 --> 01:16:16,053
Speaker 6: these things work together. She says, yeah, But don't you

1530
01:16:16,093 --> 01:16:19,133
Speaker 6: see this plant looking really silly. I said, yes, it

1531
01:16:19,173 --> 01:16:22,133
Speaker 6: does a little bit, but you have to remember that basically,

1532
01:16:22,853 --> 01:16:25,133
Speaker 6: the funny thing is that it's not that the plant

1533
01:16:25,653 --> 01:16:29,253
Speaker 6: is invading the tree. Now, it just lives on top.

1534
01:16:29,293 --> 01:16:31,293
Speaker 6: It doesn't it roots in the trees or anything like.

1535
01:16:31,693 --> 01:16:35,333
Speaker 6: They just sit there on the branches. And it's basically

1536
01:16:35,413 --> 01:16:38,973
Speaker 6: because maybe the plant that we planted is not in

1537
01:16:39,053 --> 01:16:44,533
Speaker 6: the right place, so it gives you fewer leaves more light.

1538
01:16:45,093 --> 01:16:48,933
Speaker 6: And then the liken says, that's a place where I

1539
01:16:49,053 --> 01:16:49,573
Speaker 6: want to live.

1540
01:16:50,253 --> 01:16:51,853
Speaker 4: Amazing, that's really interesting.

1541
01:16:51,893 --> 01:16:54,013
Speaker 7: That. Yeah, it's really neat.

1542
01:16:54,093 --> 01:16:57,053
Speaker 6: It's really neat. So for instance, I've got a whole

1543
01:16:57,053 --> 01:16:58,933
Speaker 6: lot of pictures as you can see there, for instance,

1544
01:16:59,013 --> 01:17:03,533
Speaker 6: lichens growing on people's roofs, but also licens growing on

1545
01:17:03,853 --> 01:17:05,853
Speaker 6: a really old car window.

1546
01:17:06,013 --> 01:17:07,453
Speaker 7: It's I believe, I think.

1547
01:17:07,333 --> 01:17:09,493
Speaker 4: I've got a window with some liking on. It probably

1548
01:17:09,493 --> 01:17:12,333
Speaker 4: needs a bit of attention. Actually, yeah, yeah.

1549
01:17:12,173 --> 01:17:14,133
Speaker 6: And here comes the nicest thing for the next time.

1550
01:17:14,173 --> 01:17:20,493
Speaker 6: That name of dead liking is sexy, pavement like and sexy. Yeah, Nandy,

1551
01:17:20,573 --> 01:17:23,133
Speaker 6: I know you'd love this. You have to wait, I'll

1552
01:17:23,133 --> 01:17:24,173
Speaker 6: do it another day.

1553
01:17:25,813 --> 01:17:27,573
Speaker 4: I don't know that I never heard the term sexy

1554
01:17:27,613 --> 01:17:29,973
Speaker 4: in pavement next to each other like that. But anyway,

1555
01:17:31,133 --> 01:17:33,333
Speaker 4: I have a great again, wrote thank you Rode climb

1556
01:17:33,493 --> 01:17:36,973
Speaker 4: Us in the garden for us after eleven o'clock our

1557
01:17:37,013 --> 01:17:41,933
Speaker 4: sustainability expertism with tips on more sustainable travel. It's almost

1558
01:17:41,933 --> 01:17:44,213
Speaker 4: eleven o'clock. News is next on News Talk d B.

1559
01:17:45,293 --> 01:17:49,133
Speaker 3: Saturday morning with Jack dam keeping the conversation going through

1560
01:17:49,173 --> 01:17:49,693
Speaker 3: the weekend.

1561
01:17:50,013 --> 01:17:50,773
Speaker 7: US Talks B.

1562
01:18:15,413 --> 01:18:18,253
Speaker 4: Good morning, Welcome to game day on News Talks EDB

1563
01:18:18,333 --> 01:18:20,173
Speaker 4: seven o'clock to anight. Of course we're gonna have coverage

1564
01:18:20,173 --> 01:18:22,333
Speaker 4: of the All Blacks versus the spring Box at Eden Park.

1565
01:18:22,413 --> 01:18:25,293
Speaker 4: I have not been this excited about a rugby game

1566
01:18:25,333 --> 01:18:26,973
Speaker 4: in a long time. I reckons this is the last

1567
01:18:26,973 --> 01:18:30,253
Speaker 4: World Cup. Honestly, it just feels like this is a

1568
01:18:30,293 --> 01:18:34,613
Speaker 4: momentous kind of moment for Scott Robertson's All Backs. Don't

1569
01:18:34,653 --> 01:18:39,613
Speaker 4: you think Eden Park? That thirty one year unbeaten record

1570
01:18:39,733 --> 01:18:44,493
Speaker 4: on the line. Some great moments, some unconvincing moments in

1571
01:18:44,493 --> 01:18:47,413
Speaker 4: the All Blacks season so far, a rugby championship in

1572
01:18:47,453 --> 01:18:49,733
Speaker 4: which it feels like any team could beat any team

1573
01:18:49,813 --> 01:18:52,773
Speaker 4: on their day. Ardie Savia playing his hundredth test. There

1574
01:18:52,813 --> 01:18:56,093
Speaker 4: is so much to be excited about so cannot wait

1575
01:18:56,133 --> 01:18:59,453
Speaker 4: for kick off this evening before midday on newstalk s EDB,

1576
01:19:00,493 --> 01:19:03,973
Speaker 4: we are looking at a brand new book by this

1577
01:19:04,013 --> 01:19:07,373
Speaker 4: guy called James Grant. A few year ago, James Grant

1578
01:19:07,493 --> 01:19:09,813
Speaker 4: was working in the TV business, kind of in the

1579
01:19:09,893 --> 01:19:12,893
Speaker 4: healthy in days of television. He was working on a

1580
01:19:12,933 --> 01:19:16,253
Speaker 4: show called Prime Suspect. If you were tuning in last

1581
01:19:16,293 --> 01:19:18,293
Speaker 4: Saturday morning on news Talks, here'd be we were speaking

1582
01:19:18,333 --> 01:19:21,053
Speaker 4: to the author of Prime Suspect. Of course, Linda la Plante,

1583
01:19:21,613 --> 01:19:25,773
Speaker 4: legendary dor yeurn of crime fiction in the UK, joined

1584
01:19:25,853 --> 01:19:28,253
Speaker 4: us and she was reflecting on her career. But one

1585
01:19:28,293 --> 01:19:31,333
Speaker 4: of her big breakthroughs was on a show called Prime Suspect.

1586
01:19:31,333 --> 01:19:33,773
Speaker 4: So there was this guy, James Grant working on Prime Suspect.

1587
01:19:33,933 --> 01:19:36,173
Speaker 4: He worked on a whole series of other shows as well,

1588
01:19:37,053 --> 01:19:40,333
Speaker 4: things like The Jewel in the Crown, a show called Cracker.

1589
01:19:41,053 --> 01:19:43,973
Speaker 4: He worked for Granada TV for years and then one

1590
01:19:44,053 --> 01:19:47,573
Speaker 4: day he was made redundant. And when he was made redundant,

1591
01:19:47,653 --> 01:19:50,133
Speaker 4: instead of looking for another job in the TV business,

1592
01:19:50,173 --> 01:19:52,173
Speaker 4: maybe he saw the writing on the wall, he decided

1593
01:19:52,173 --> 01:19:54,773
Speaker 4: he would have a go at writing novels instead. Of course,

1594
01:19:54,893 --> 01:19:57,933
Speaker 4: James Grant is not how you know him. You know

1595
01:19:58,053 --> 01:20:01,133
Speaker 4: him as Lee Child, and before midday we are going

1596
01:20:01,133 --> 01:20:03,013
Speaker 4: to take a look at his brand new book. It

1597
01:20:03,093 --> 01:20:07,213
Speaker 4: is not a Reacher book. This is a the first

1598
01:20:07,413 --> 01:20:11,813
Speaker 4: auto biographical publication that Lee Child has ever published. It's

1599
01:20:11,853 --> 01:20:15,413
Speaker 4: called Reach of the Stories Behind the Stories. Our book

1600
01:20:15,453 --> 01:20:17,093
Speaker 4: reviewers read it, so she's going to give us the

1601
01:20:17,133 --> 01:20:20,653
Speaker 4: details before midday. Right now, though it is nine past eleven,

1602
01:20:21,933 --> 01:20:25,893
Speaker 4: be hard to catch up with. Our sustainability commentator Kate

1603
01:20:25,933 --> 01:20:28,813
Speaker 4: Hall is with us this morning. Calder Icade, Well, Jack,

1604
01:20:29,013 --> 01:20:31,413
Speaker 4: this morning, we're looking at travel and how you can

1605
01:20:31,413 --> 01:20:33,613
Speaker 4: try and be a bit more sustainable, not only in

1606
01:20:33,653 --> 01:20:36,133
Speaker 4: your travel but with the things you're doing at home

1607
01:20:36,293 --> 01:20:38,533
Speaker 4: while you travel, which I know sounds a bit confusing,

1608
01:20:38,533 --> 01:20:40,853
Speaker 4: but actually there is some really simple stuff you can

1609
01:20:40,893 --> 01:20:44,213
Speaker 4: do to make sure you're obviously consuming less energy at

1610
01:20:44,213 --> 01:20:46,613
Speaker 4: home when you're not at home. So let's start off there.

1611
01:20:47,373 --> 01:20:49,373
Speaker 4: I didn't know this did anything, but you reckon actually

1612
01:20:49,413 --> 01:20:52,253
Speaker 4: switching off appliances at the wall is worth it?

1613
01:20:53,013 --> 01:20:56,213
Speaker 17: Yes, yep, there have been studies done. Obviously, it depends

1614
01:20:56,213 --> 01:20:58,293
Speaker 17: on the footprint of your home and all of that

1615
01:20:58,453 --> 01:21:01,453
Speaker 17: as to how much you are actually saving. But switching

1616
01:21:01,493 --> 01:21:03,413
Speaker 17: appliants off. I think it's also a good piece of

1617
01:21:03,453 --> 01:21:07,213
Speaker 17: mind as well. You know that things are running and

1618
01:21:07,333 --> 01:21:10,373
Speaker 17: just and can't be running, you knows less likely for

1619
01:21:10,453 --> 01:21:11,133
Speaker 17: things to happen.

1620
01:21:11,533 --> 01:21:13,853
Speaker 4: So I've become quite obsessed with my power bill lately,

1621
01:21:14,133 --> 01:21:17,653
Speaker 4: basically because it's utterly obscene over the winter because we

1622
01:21:17,693 --> 01:21:19,733
Speaker 4: have some we we still have pipe gas at our

1623
01:21:19,733 --> 01:21:22,613
Speaker 4: place for heating, so don't get me started on that anyway.

1624
01:21:23,733 --> 01:21:26,493
Speaker 4: But we were away from home for a couple of

1625
01:21:26,573 --> 01:21:29,293
Speaker 4: weeks and I found it, like really interesting to see

1626
01:21:29,333 --> 01:21:31,653
Speaker 4: how much energy we were still consuming when no one

1627
01:21:31,693 --> 01:21:34,173
Speaker 4: was in the house. I was like, it was as possible.

1628
01:21:34,573 --> 01:21:36,533
Speaker 17: Yeah, it's still a lot. I mean it is hard

1629
01:21:36,813 --> 01:21:39,573
Speaker 17: for your fridge and freezer, but if you are away

1630
01:21:39,653 --> 01:21:42,373
Speaker 17: for you know, a really like a month or something,

1631
01:21:43,053 --> 01:21:46,453
Speaker 17: it can actually be in your best interest to get

1632
01:21:46,573 --> 01:21:48,533
Speaker 17: rid of all the food, pass it around to friends

1633
01:21:48,533 --> 01:21:52,253
Speaker 17: and family, and actually turn it off. Yeah, because yeah,

1634
01:21:52,813 --> 01:21:56,533
Speaker 17: especially you said over winter and get into the summer months.

1635
01:21:56,813 --> 01:21:59,773
Speaker 17: And also then it's it's not on your mind as well.

1636
01:22:00,013 --> 01:22:02,653
Speaker 17: If something were to happen, you know, the power goes out,

1637
01:22:02,653 --> 01:22:04,973
Speaker 17: you're not wasting all that food, You're not there to

1638
01:22:05,053 --> 01:22:06,013
Speaker 17: kind of salvage it.

1639
01:22:06,133 --> 01:22:08,333
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a very good point. Yeah, because that's a

1640
01:22:08,453 --> 01:22:11,813
Speaker 4: terrible that, I'm sure, like you know that, that terrible

1641
01:22:11,813 --> 01:22:14,373
Speaker 4: feeling getting back from being away from home and realizing

1642
01:22:14,413 --> 01:22:16,733
Speaker 4: that actually the freezer has been unplugged for four days

1643
01:22:16,773 --> 01:22:19,013
Speaker 4: and you had meat and ice cream and everything's kind

1644
01:22:19,053 --> 01:22:21,373
Speaker 4: of you know, a warm glob at the bottom. No

1645
01:22:21,653 --> 01:22:24,213
Speaker 4: one needs that. What what about packing? How do you

1646
01:22:24,213 --> 01:22:26,053
Speaker 4: think about packing sustainably?

1647
01:22:26,613 --> 01:22:29,333
Speaker 17: Well, I've always been quite a light packer, and I

1648
01:22:29,373 --> 01:22:33,253
Speaker 17: think that's great too, because you're not carrying around, you know,

1649
01:22:33,293 --> 01:22:36,573
Speaker 17: a whole lot of unnecessary stuff. And then especially if

1650
01:22:36,613 --> 01:22:39,613
Speaker 17: you're fine an aeroplane or in a car, the heavier

1651
01:22:39,773 --> 01:22:44,173
Speaker 17: the vehicles, the more coveron emissions. And I just find

1652
01:22:44,173 --> 01:22:45,093
Speaker 17: it practical too.

1653
01:22:45,693 --> 01:22:50,893
Speaker 4: That's interesting. I am am principle one hundred percent support.

1654
01:22:50,893 --> 01:22:53,573
Speaker 4: That's my favorite writer, AA Girl who used to just

1655
01:22:53,613 --> 01:22:56,093
Speaker 4: travel around, you know, the world. He was an amazing

1656
01:22:56,093 --> 01:23:00,453
Speaker 4: travel writer. He swore that he would never travel anywhere

1657
01:23:00,493 --> 01:23:03,693
Speaker 4: with checked and luggage. Also, he was always like, I've

1658
01:23:03,693 --> 01:23:06,013
Speaker 4: just got just one bag and you know, like a

1659
01:23:06,013 --> 01:23:08,053
Speaker 4: few of c centrals in there, and if there's something

1660
01:23:08,093 --> 01:23:10,853
Speaker 4: I really need when I'm away, then I'll be able

1661
01:23:10,893 --> 01:23:12,493
Speaker 4: to pack that. I mean, I'm sure he made, you know,

1662
01:23:13,013 --> 01:23:16,173
Speaker 4: some exceptions for the Arctic Circle and things like that,

1663
01:23:16,213 --> 01:23:18,653
Speaker 4: but yeah, yeah, and he just reckoned that was the

1664
01:23:18,693 --> 01:23:22,413
Speaker 4: way to travel. There is something, Yeah, there is something

1665
01:23:22,493 --> 01:23:26,253
Speaker 4: quite nice about, especially if you're going to multiple places

1666
01:23:26,533 --> 01:23:28,733
Speaker 4: as part of a trip, about not having to fat

1667
01:23:28,773 --> 01:23:30,773
Speaker 4: around with giant suitcases and stuff as well.

1668
01:23:31,573 --> 01:23:34,533
Speaker 17: It just makes the whole trip so so much easier,

1669
01:23:34,773 --> 01:23:38,373
Speaker 17: you know, transporting yourself to and from busses and planes

1670
01:23:38,413 --> 01:23:42,253
Speaker 17: and trains and you know, in vehicles. And you're right,

1671
01:23:42,293 --> 01:23:46,253
Speaker 17: you can actually if you need something enough, you can

1672
01:23:46,333 --> 01:23:48,933
Speaker 17: buy it when you're there. And I guess that can sound,

1673
01:23:49,493 --> 01:23:51,853
Speaker 17: you know, slightly controversial, because for me, if I were

1674
01:23:51,933 --> 01:23:54,773
Speaker 17: to forget my toothpaste or toothbrush, you know, I've got

1675
01:23:54,773 --> 01:23:59,293
Speaker 17: my resual toothbrush and my toothpaste, but I haven't. When

1676
01:23:59,333 --> 01:24:02,093
Speaker 17: you're focusing just on the essentials, you're more likely to

1677
01:24:02,133 --> 01:24:04,213
Speaker 17: bring those and if you buy it once, you know,

1678
01:24:04,253 --> 01:24:05,173
Speaker 17: it's not the end of the world.

1679
01:24:05,253 --> 01:24:07,973
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. So what about the travel itself.

1680
01:24:07,973 --> 01:24:09,173
Speaker 4: Are you going to tell us that we have to

1681
01:24:09,213 --> 01:24:10,493
Speaker 4: take e bikes everywhere?

1682
01:24:11,093 --> 01:24:11,293
Speaker 13: Yeah?

1683
01:24:11,413 --> 01:24:13,973
Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, never go anywhere and.

1684
01:24:14,013 --> 01:24:18,653
Speaker 4: Just take either it's going to be a journey to Australia. Yeah.

1685
01:24:18,733 --> 01:24:21,933
Speaker 17: Yeah, Actually, my dad's a windsurfer and I always thought

1686
01:24:21,933 --> 01:24:25,173
Speaker 17: one day I want a windsurf to esplain it. Anyway,

1687
01:24:25,213 --> 01:24:27,133
Speaker 17: I'm not gonna I'm not going to suggest you do that.

1688
01:24:27,213 --> 01:24:31,453
Speaker 17: Because there are there are ways to off your flights.

1689
01:24:31,653 --> 01:24:34,733
Speaker 17: That's really great if you are flying. I'm actually traveling

1690
01:24:34,813 --> 01:24:38,853
Speaker 17: to Prist Church for the first time with my baby

1691
01:24:38,893 --> 01:24:41,533
Speaker 17: and I'm looking at, you know, okay, what things to take,

1692
01:24:41,813 --> 01:24:45,013
Speaker 17: and I've offed it my flights. When you are there

1693
01:24:45,213 --> 01:24:49,293
Speaker 17: at like in the city, when you're traveling around taking trains,

1694
01:24:49,293 --> 01:24:51,893
Speaker 17: if there irony, especially if you're not in New Zealand,

1695
01:24:52,133 --> 01:24:55,613
Speaker 17: then it's more likely you can find trains looking at

1696
01:24:55,653 --> 01:25:00,173
Speaker 17: direct flights instead of lots of little ones is also yeah, yeah,

1697
01:25:00,373 --> 01:25:04,253
Speaker 17: slightly better, and busses too, So before you go, I

1698
01:25:04,333 --> 01:25:07,573
Speaker 17: find it really helpful to investigate those things first because

1699
01:25:07,573 --> 01:25:11,093
Speaker 17: then you're not in a situation where you know you're hungry,

1700
01:25:11,333 --> 01:25:13,133
Speaker 17: you need to get somewhere, you're just going to jump

1701
01:25:13,173 --> 01:25:16,693
Speaker 17: in a cab that you've actually researched and looked at things.

1702
01:25:16,813 --> 01:25:19,133
Speaker 17: And honestly, when you're in a bass or a train,

1703
01:25:19,253 --> 01:25:22,613
Speaker 17: you often see things or good.

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01:25:22,653 --> 01:25:24,493
Speaker 4: No, if you weren't going to say that, I was

1705
01:25:24,533 --> 01:25:25,093
Speaker 4: going to say it.

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01:25:25,173 --> 01:25:25,293
Speaker 7: So.

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01:25:25,733 --> 01:25:29,133
Speaker 4: Like, the thing about taking public transport when you're traveling

1708
01:25:29,133 --> 01:25:32,013
Speaker 4: overseas is that it's a big part of the adventure.

1709
01:25:33,773 --> 01:25:36,613
Speaker 4: I just need I never understand why people don't want

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01:25:36,653 --> 01:25:39,053
Speaker 4: to ride in a train or a subway or a

1711
01:25:39,213 --> 01:25:41,933
Speaker 4: bus or whatever, because the people watching in these things

1712
01:25:42,013 --> 01:25:44,933
Speaker 4: is amazing. You always get to experience something new and

1713
01:25:45,413 --> 01:25:48,453
Speaker 4: exciting and fresh that you wouldn't have experienced otherwise. Yeah,

1714
01:25:48,573 --> 01:25:51,373
Speaker 4: I just I think it's an absolutely vital part, especially

1715
01:25:51,373 --> 01:25:53,693
Speaker 4: if you're traveling somewhere interesting, of getting to know the place.

1716
01:25:54,133 --> 01:25:57,333
Speaker 17: Oh totally, Actually you're sitting with locals, you know, you're

1717
01:25:57,373 --> 01:26:00,893
Speaker 17: not just observing things. Yeah, from kind of the out.

1718
01:26:00,613 --> 01:26:04,573
Speaker 4: It's allic, isn't it. It's authentic? Okay? Yeah, yeah, no,

1719
01:26:05,413 --> 01:26:07,013
Speaker 4: I absolutely love that. I reckon it's one of the

1720
01:26:07,013 --> 01:26:09,773
Speaker 4: great joys. Actually, I always set myself a film in

1721
01:26:09,773 --> 01:26:12,853
Speaker 4: a new city, especially, I always set myself a challenge

1722
01:26:12,853 --> 01:26:17,093
Speaker 4: when I arrived to try and understand the public transport network.

1723
01:26:17,413 --> 01:26:18,493
Speaker 4: You know, that's cool.

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01:26:18,933 --> 01:26:21,293
Speaker 17: I love that especially, I think as a New Zealander

1725
01:26:21,733 --> 01:26:24,693
Speaker 17: when I'm somewhere else and there's great train systems. It's

1726
01:26:24,733 --> 01:26:26,493
Speaker 17: so novel as well, like it's.

1727
01:26:27,093 --> 01:26:30,253
Speaker 4: Yea, yeah it does yeah, yeah, yeah it is. It

1728
01:26:30,293 --> 01:26:33,413
Speaker 4: does feel well, although this time next year, hopefully once

1729
01:26:33,493 --> 01:26:36,333
Speaker 4: the central rail links open, will feel slightly less novel.

1730
01:26:37,893 --> 01:26:41,173
Speaker 4: What about drink bottles? The reason I mentioned them is

1731
01:26:41,213 --> 01:26:43,653
Speaker 4: that one thing I've noticed recently and lots of international

1732
01:26:43,693 --> 01:26:48,333
Speaker 4: airports is increasingly airports have a refill your own drink

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01:26:48,333 --> 01:26:50,653
Speaker 4: bottle kind of station, like even in places I wasn't,

1734
01:26:52,253 --> 01:26:54,973
Speaker 4: you know, like I was in Central America recently and

1735
01:26:55,053 --> 01:26:57,213
Speaker 4: I was surprised to see that there were places you

1736
01:26:57,213 --> 01:26:59,373
Speaker 4: can you know, like an El Salvadore, there are places

1737
01:26:59,373 --> 01:27:02,813
Speaker 4: you can fill up the drink. But okay, yeah.

1738
01:27:02,493 --> 01:27:05,533
Speaker 17: Everywhere, yep. So packing kind of like a little travel

1739
01:27:06,013 --> 01:27:09,573
Speaker 17: pitch of I have cutlery like a little collaps or bowl,

1740
01:27:10,093 --> 01:27:13,813
Speaker 17: my water bottle. I take a water bottle that has

1741
01:27:13,893 --> 01:27:17,853
Speaker 17: felters and sterilizers and other places too. That's water to

1742
01:27:17,933 --> 01:27:21,013
Speaker 17: go have. They're right, which have it all throughout India

1743
01:27:21,093 --> 01:27:24,133
Speaker 17: with those, So kind of like a little kitch that

1744
01:27:24,253 --> 01:27:28,053
Speaker 17: when you're going away, you switch off your clianss, you

1745
01:27:28,333 --> 01:27:30,693
Speaker 17: have your trainsport ready for when you get there. You've

1746
01:27:30,693 --> 01:27:33,093
Speaker 17: got your little kind of reasonal items kit, which, to

1747
01:27:33,093 --> 01:27:35,853
Speaker 17: be honest, I take with me everywhere I go, you know,

1748
01:27:35,933 --> 01:27:37,813
Speaker 17: even if I'm just going out for the day, So

1749
01:27:38,013 --> 01:27:39,773
Speaker 17: just make sure I take that or bulk up with

1750
01:27:39,813 --> 01:27:42,733
Speaker 17: a few more items and when I am actually in

1751
01:27:43,173 --> 01:27:46,173
Speaker 17: the place too. You're talking about getting you know, amongst

1752
01:27:46,173 --> 01:27:50,013
Speaker 17: the locals of transport, focusing on supporting local with the

1753
01:27:50,053 --> 01:27:53,413
Speaker 17: places you're eating and staying. I think of probably like

1754
01:27:53,453 --> 01:27:59,253
Speaker 17: one of the biggest things, because if you're going somewhere,

1755
01:27:58,253 --> 01:28:03,453
Speaker 17: you're voting with your money like every day, and you

1756
01:28:03,453 --> 01:28:06,613
Speaker 17: can either choose to support all the big chains like

1757
01:28:06,733 --> 01:28:09,773
Speaker 17: don't really care about you, yeah, and aren't really part

1758
01:28:09,813 --> 01:28:12,333
Speaker 17: of the place, or you can choose to give back

1759
01:28:12,373 --> 01:28:17,413
Speaker 17: by supporting local and like you know, actually, yeah, voting

1760
01:28:17,453 --> 01:28:18,733
Speaker 17: with your money that way.

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01:28:18,853 --> 01:28:21,173
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's such a good message. Hey, thank you, Kate

1762
01:28:21,333 --> 01:28:23,693
Speaker 4: really appreciate it. As always, you can find Kate all

1763
01:28:23,733 --> 01:28:27,333
Speaker 4: on social media. She's on all of the good channels,

1764
01:28:27,333 --> 01:28:31,053
Speaker 4: I suppose, just so ethically Kate and her name will

1765
01:28:31,053 --> 01:28:33,933
Speaker 4: pomp right up. Oh here we go, Jack. We've just

1766
01:28:33,973 --> 01:28:36,453
Speaker 4: installed smart switch is around the house and cut our

1767
01:28:36,533 --> 01:28:39,533
Speaker 4: daily electricity usage by twelve kilo hours per day. We

1768
01:28:39,573 --> 01:28:42,613
Speaker 4: turned off the microwave printer to USB charg's, TV, laptop

1769
01:28:42,733 --> 01:28:45,493
Speaker 4: power supplies, et cetera. Is Derek, Thank you.

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Speaker 5: Derek.

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Speaker 4: Ninety two ninety two nine two nine two is the

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01:28:47,933 --> 01:28:49,973
Speaker 4: text number if you want to send us a message.

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01:28:50,013 --> 01:28:52,573
Speaker 4: This morning, we are continuing the travel theme in a

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01:28:52,573 --> 01:28:54,973
Speaker 4: couple of minutes. Our travel correspondent this week is traveling

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01:28:54,973 --> 01:28:59,653
Speaker 4: to Bratislava in Slovakia. He's with us next travel.

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01:28:59,413 --> 01:29:00,733
Speaker 2: With Wendy wo Tours.

1777
01:29:00,773 --> 01:29:03,293
Speaker 3: Where the world is yours for now.

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01:29:03,253 --> 01:29:05,493
Speaker 4: Twenty one past eleven on New stork'd be. Our travel

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01:29:05,493 --> 01:29:07,213
Speaker 4: correspondent is Mike yard Lee.

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01:29:07,333 --> 01:29:10,933
Speaker 7: Good morning, Good morning Jack. I have an inquiry into

1781
01:29:10,933 --> 01:29:13,493
Speaker 7: the race about refillable water bottles.

1782
01:29:13,533 --> 01:29:14,813
Speaker 4: Oh please.

1783
01:29:15,893 --> 01:29:18,973
Speaker 7: Now, just a consumer advisory note here. I'm a big

1784
01:29:19,013 --> 01:29:22,213
Speaker 7: fan of refullables. I always travel with one, but I

1785
01:29:22,253 --> 01:29:26,333
Speaker 7: have seen so many people, when not boarding the plane,

1786
01:29:26,533 --> 01:29:31,413
Speaker 7: hoist the overloaded carry on into the overhead bin and

1787
01:29:31,453 --> 01:29:35,933
Speaker 7: the bottle falls out like an unguided missile and clout someone.

1788
01:29:36,053 --> 01:29:38,413
Speaker 7: So take your bottle out before you hoist your bag up.

1789
01:29:38,693 --> 01:29:41,653
Speaker 4: Very good, take you. I also think that people forget

1790
01:29:41,693 --> 01:29:44,893
Speaker 4: that that bottles can be pressurized very easily and some

1791
01:29:44,893 --> 01:29:46,773
Speaker 4: of your issues. If you don't do up the lid

1792
01:29:46,893 --> 01:29:48,653
Speaker 4: very well and then mid flight, all of a sudden

1793
01:29:48,693 --> 01:29:51,173
Speaker 4: you notice that the luggage compartment is leaking onto you,

1794
01:29:51,293 --> 01:29:52,613
Speaker 4: that can be a bit of an issue as well.

1795
01:29:53,573 --> 01:29:54,133
Speaker 7: That's true.

1796
01:29:54,213 --> 01:29:57,373
Speaker 4: Hey, I was mentioning El Salvador to Kate, so El

1797
01:29:57,453 --> 01:30:00,893
Speaker 4: Salvador sound Salvador is one of two places that kind

1798
01:30:00,893 --> 01:30:02,893
Speaker 4: of sticks in the back of my throat. The other

1799
01:30:03,133 --> 01:30:07,213
Speaker 4: is Botislava and Slovakia because they are two cities that

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01:30:07,373 --> 01:30:11,333
Speaker 4: I've traveled to that I've never set foot outside. And

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01:30:12,133 --> 01:30:14,373
Speaker 4: so I've been to I've been to San Salvador to

1802
01:30:14,413 --> 01:30:17,053
Speaker 4: the airport, but I've never set outside of the airport.

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01:30:17,693 --> 01:30:20,613
Speaker 4: And I've been to Slovakia. I've been to Brettislava, but

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01:30:20,893 --> 01:30:24,493
Speaker 4: I only passed through Bretislava on a train, so I

1805
01:30:24,493 --> 01:30:26,773
Speaker 4: think I was I must have been training from from

1806
01:30:27,013 --> 01:30:31,733
Speaker 4: Budapest to Budapest to the Czech Republic, maybe yeah, and

1807
01:30:31,773 --> 01:30:33,573
Speaker 4: so you know, kind of going up there by the

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01:30:33,613 --> 01:30:38,213
Speaker 4: Danube and maybe maybe tracking the western border of Slovakia.

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01:30:38,293 --> 01:30:42,613
Speaker 4: But I've never never set foot outside the train in Bratislava,

1810
01:30:42,693 --> 01:30:45,773
Speaker 4: and I just remember crawling through the city that terrible

1811
01:30:45,813 --> 01:30:48,773
Speaker 4: feeling like it looks so beautiful and inviting and thinking, well,

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01:30:48,813 --> 01:30:51,653
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna have to come back. So anyway, I'm

1813
01:30:51,653 --> 01:30:53,933
Speaker 4: glad you're focusing there this morning, because you've got lots

1814
01:30:53,933 --> 01:30:57,333
Speaker 4: of fantastic little tips for breezing through Bretislava. And there

1815
01:30:57,373 --> 01:31:01,053
Speaker 4: is a kind of geographical quirk about the Slovakian capital.

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01:31:00,813 --> 01:31:04,893
Speaker 7: Right, yeah, I mean, I'm I'm happy to be stood

1817
01:31:04,973 --> 01:31:09,013
Speaker 7: corrected here, Jack, But I think Brattislava is the only

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01:31:09,133 --> 01:31:13,573
Speaker 7: capital city in the world which is surrounded by three

1819
01:31:13,613 --> 01:31:16,813
Speaker 7: countries which you can actually see with your own eyes.

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01:31:17,293 --> 01:31:21,853
Speaker 7: So obviously Brattislava is the capital of Slovakia. But to

1821
01:31:22,453 --> 01:31:26,813
Speaker 7: the west you have got Austria, like about thirty minutes

1822
01:31:26,853 --> 01:31:32,373
Speaker 7: away by train, and then you've got Hungary to the east.

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01:31:32,573 --> 01:31:36,173
Speaker 7: So like when you're standing at say Bratislava Castle with

1824
01:31:36,213 --> 01:31:37,493
Speaker 7: a bit of a perch, with a bit of an

1825
01:31:37,533 --> 01:31:42,733
Speaker 7: aerial view, you can see those countries from downtown Brettislava.

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01:31:43,093 --> 01:31:46,573
Speaker 4: Because na, yeah, Vienna must be is super close, right,

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01:31:46,653 --> 01:31:50,213
Speaker 4: Like that's just it just up the Danube, that's right.

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01:31:50,293 --> 01:31:52,173
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's a forty five minute train ride

1829
01:31:52,253 --> 01:31:52,853
Speaker 7: from Vienna.

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01:31:52,973 --> 01:31:56,053
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, and then and then the Danube continues down

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01:31:56,093 --> 01:31:58,893
Speaker 4: into into Hungary, and so that's sort of there's a

1832
01:31:58,933 --> 01:32:01,413
Speaker 4: little there's a little dog leg, isn't there that it

1833
01:32:01,653 --> 01:32:03,693
Speaker 4: comes from right near the border. Yeah, oh, that is

1834
01:32:03,773 --> 01:32:04,093
Speaker 4: very ye.

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Speaker 7: But it's also a reminder that obviously, given its position,

1836
01:32:09,453 --> 01:32:12,133
Speaker 7: it's been a bit of a punching bag for numerous

1837
01:32:12,173 --> 01:32:14,413
Speaker 7: imperial powers over the centuries as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well, yes, there's certainly a fair the history

1839
01:32:17,853 --> 01:32:20,093
Speaker 4: in that part of the Well. So what communist relics

1840
01:32:20,293 --> 01:32:22,893
Speaker 4: grab a lot of attentionon in Barslava these days.

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01:32:23,453 --> 01:32:27,613
Speaker 7: Well, obviously there's plenty of brutalist tenement blocks still foresting

1842
01:32:27,653 --> 01:32:33,533
Speaker 7: the city, but there are two particular landmarks which I

1843
01:32:33,653 --> 01:32:36,693
Speaker 7: just find extraordinary. The first one is the Ufo Tower.

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01:32:37,173 --> 01:32:42,573
Speaker 7: So this was perhaps the Communists' greatest contribution to Bratislava's

1845
01:32:42,733 --> 01:32:46,613
Speaker 7: street scape, and it's on the southern bank of the Danube.

1846
01:32:46,653 --> 01:32:51,213
Speaker 7: The Ufo was a futuristic statement tower that they built

1847
01:32:51,213 --> 01:32:53,413
Speaker 7: in the sixties. In fact, I don't think it was

1848
01:32:53,453 --> 01:32:56,133
Speaker 7: finished until the early eighties. It took forever to be

1849
01:32:56,533 --> 01:33:00,733
Speaker 7: knocked off. But it's the tiniest member of the World

1850
01:33:00,773 --> 01:33:05,013
Speaker 7: Federation of Great Towers, which does include Auckland skytower with

1851
01:33:05,133 --> 01:33:07,493
Speaker 7: this UFO tower. This is such a cool thing. So

1852
01:33:07,573 --> 01:33:11,733
Speaker 7: you've got this shuddering elevator, ride up to the rooftop

1853
01:33:12,413 --> 01:33:16,693
Speaker 7: and there you can see Austria in Hungary. And the

1854
01:33:16,733 --> 01:33:19,453
Speaker 7: other hand me down, which I think is just so weird.

1855
01:33:20,053 --> 01:33:24,973
Speaker 7: The Slovak State Radio Building. This is the most bizarre

1856
01:33:25,133 --> 01:33:30,773
Speaker 7: Soviet architectural statement. It is an upside down pyramid descending

1857
01:33:30,853 --> 01:33:35,453
Speaker 7: into a massive concrete bunker. God knows what drugs that are.

1858
01:33:35,693 --> 01:33:38,493
Speaker 7: Architect was on. It is the weirder site.

1859
01:33:38,733 --> 01:33:41,293
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, amazing. So where should you head if you're

1860
01:33:41,413 --> 01:33:42,133
Speaker 4: in the old town?

1861
01:33:43,293 --> 01:33:46,813
Speaker 7: Yes, the old town is such as Hartstealer I recom

1862
01:33:46,853 --> 01:33:49,293
Speaker 7: It's one of the best old towns in Eastern Europe.

1863
01:33:49,333 --> 01:33:53,173
Speaker 7: It's fully pedestrianized and you just want to linger there

1864
01:33:53,253 --> 01:33:56,893
Speaker 7: because it's a showcase of the mastery of Slovak town

1865
01:33:56,973 --> 01:34:01,493
Speaker 7: planners from about the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries. And somehow

1866
01:34:01,573 --> 01:34:04,933
Speaker 7: they jam packed a whole city's worth of churches and

1867
01:34:04,973 --> 01:34:08,653
Speaker 7: shops and palaces in us into a handful of blocks.

1868
01:34:08,893 --> 01:34:11,733
Speaker 7: You know, it's really compact. It's like a bon bond

1869
01:34:12,253 --> 01:34:16,413
Speaker 7: and just a tangle of twisting, cobbled streets, with all

1870
01:34:16,453 --> 01:34:21,173
Speaker 7: of these pastoral hued eighteenth century buildings, really really cool

1871
01:34:21,213 --> 01:34:25,173
Speaker 7: and very contemporary. You know, it's not just a living museum.

1872
01:34:25,213 --> 01:34:28,173
Speaker 7: It's got a real good, vital energy about it.

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01:34:28,893 --> 01:34:30,133
Speaker 4: There's the good public art.

1874
01:34:31,493 --> 01:34:34,693
Speaker 7: Yeah. In fact, I reckon this is part of the

1875
01:34:34,733 --> 01:34:38,493
Speaker 7: seduction of the old town and it was very much

1876
01:34:40,533 --> 01:34:45,013
Speaker 7: a Bratislav post communist era, wanting to sort of shake

1877
01:34:45,053 --> 01:34:49,053
Speaker 7: off that long shadow. So they spent megabucks on lots

1878
01:34:49,053 --> 01:34:53,853
Speaker 7: of perky art installations, but quite grandiose in places. But

1879
01:34:54,013 --> 01:34:58,333
Speaker 7: I reckon the best of the lot. As Kummel, he

1880
01:34:58,573 --> 01:35:02,893
Speaker 7: is this road worker peering out above the pavement from

1881
01:35:02,933 --> 01:35:06,253
Speaker 7: a manhole, and the whole thing is rendered in bronze.

1882
01:35:06,453 --> 01:35:10,813
Speaker 7: He was actually beheaded as shortly after he was installed

1883
01:35:11,253 --> 01:35:15,253
Speaker 7: by vehicles inadvertently driving over him. So he's now got

1884
01:35:15,293 --> 01:35:18,053
Speaker 7: a man at work roadsign next to him to help

1885
01:35:18,053 --> 01:35:22,013
Speaker 7: with the self preservation. But it's that kind of quirky

1886
01:35:22,093 --> 01:35:26,093
Speaker 7: humor in their streetheart that just speckles Brattislava.

1887
01:35:26,133 --> 01:35:28,173
Speaker 4: Oh well, how about this. We got an email just

1888
01:35:28,213 --> 01:35:30,933
Speaker 4: before you joined us saying Jack, Brettislava is an amazing

1889
01:35:30,933 --> 01:35:33,893
Speaker 4: place to visit. We were really taken with the outdoor sculptures,

1890
01:35:33,973 --> 01:35:35,733
Speaker 4: many of them, and bronze. I hope that Mike talks

1891
01:35:35,733 --> 01:35:37,533
Speaker 4: about it this morning, So there you go. Paul will

1892
01:35:37,533 --> 01:35:40,973
Speaker 4: be very pleased with that. You clearly have similar tastes.

1893
01:35:42,053 --> 01:35:44,973
Speaker 4: Are there some hospitality highlights you'd recommend?

1894
01:35:45,933 --> 01:35:48,533
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, first of all, if you don't want to

1895
01:35:48,533 --> 01:35:54,933
Speaker 7: share Brettislava with Stagdo and Hen parties, avoid Brettislava on

1896
01:35:54,973 --> 01:35:58,093
Speaker 7: the weekend because it is a European hotspot for Stagno's

1897
01:35:58,093 --> 01:36:01,013
Speaker 7: and hen parties. But a couple of tips. If you

1898
01:36:01,133 --> 01:36:04,453
Speaker 7: head into Bratislava Castle. On the main road to the castle,

1899
01:36:04,493 --> 01:36:08,293
Speaker 7: there is this very cool called Carba Bar. It's actually

1900
01:36:08,493 --> 01:36:10,813
Speaker 7: more of a cafe than a bar. But what I

1901
01:36:10,933 --> 01:36:14,293
Speaker 7: like about it is it's part hipster and then part

1902
01:36:14,533 --> 01:36:18,133
Speaker 7: retro Soviet. You know, it's got that sort of vibe

1903
01:36:18,173 --> 01:36:21,253
Speaker 7: to it, with a lot of memorabilia from the era,

1904
01:36:21,653 --> 01:36:23,653
Speaker 7: and it's all housed on the ground floor of a

1905
01:36:23,733 --> 01:36:28,493
Speaker 7: communist era apartment block. Very cool little place. The muster

1906
01:36:28,653 --> 01:36:32,813
Speaker 7: try Slovaki and dish would have to be halushki, which

1907
01:36:32,853 --> 01:36:37,693
Speaker 7: are those KNOCKI like potato dumplings, smothered and melted sheeps,

1908
01:36:37,773 --> 01:36:41,973
Speaker 7: cheese and fried bacon, not exactly Michelin star material, but

1909
01:36:42,093 --> 01:36:44,253
Speaker 7: cheap and cheerful and very satisfying.

1910
01:36:44,413 --> 01:36:48,293
Speaker 4: Yeah, what about coffee and cake any go tos Ah.

1911
01:36:48,413 --> 01:36:53,413
Speaker 7: Yes, there is this place called Conda Conde Torre Cormuth,

1912
01:36:53,893 --> 01:36:56,573
Speaker 7: and it actually turns two hundred old two hundred years

1913
01:36:56,613 --> 01:37:00,973
Speaker 7: old next year. This Cafe Jack is like walking into

1914
01:37:01,053 --> 01:37:06,373
Speaker 7: a Rococo jewel box. The wall and selling frescoes are unbelieving.

1915
01:37:06,453 --> 01:37:11,333
Speaker 7: The ball, the carvings, the porcelain, the antique furniture. It's insane.

1916
01:37:11,733 --> 01:37:15,133
Speaker 7: But best of all, the cakes. They are all steeped

1917
01:37:15,173 --> 01:37:18,693
Speaker 7: in tradition from the Austro Hungarian Empire, so you're sort

1918
01:37:18,693 --> 01:37:21,213
Speaker 7: of eating what the Habsburgs were eating a couple of

1919
01:37:21,413 --> 01:37:27,613
Speaker 7: centuries ago, Swans shaped shoe pastry buns, which are just

1920
01:37:27,773 --> 01:37:31,533
Speaker 7: pumped with caramel cream. They look too good to eat,

1921
01:37:31,733 --> 01:37:34,773
Speaker 7: but I did. And then you've got to nibble on

1922
01:37:34,853 --> 01:37:39,333
Speaker 7: things like dough bosh torta six layers of chocolates and

1923
01:37:39,413 --> 01:37:43,253
Speaker 7: butter cream. And the berry stacked rum cakes are really

1924
01:37:43,253 --> 01:37:48,133
Speaker 7: good too. I could spend all day yeah, contact.

1925
01:37:47,813 --> 01:37:49,533
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that might be. I might have to

1926
01:37:49,533 --> 01:37:51,013
Speaker 4: bump that up to the very top of the list.

1927
01:37:51,093 --> 01:37:53,213
Speaker 4: I think the place is to go, And what about

1928
01:37:53,213 --> 01:37:55,573
Speaker 4: the Museum of Vita Culture. What's so appealing about it?

1929
01:37:56,293 --> 01:37:58,573
Speaker 7: Oh, this is the funniest thing. So I thought, oh well,

1930
01:37:58,613 --> 01:38:01,213
Speaker 7: I'll go and learn about the history of Slovakian wine.

1931
01:38:01,493 --> 01:38:04,253
Speaker 7: But it actually doubles more like a booze barn, because

1932
01:38:04,253 --> 01:38:08,013
Speaker 7: in the basement it's like dating with wine. If you

1933
01:38:08,053 --> 01:38:11,333
Speaker 7: want to, you can pay thirty uro and you can

1934
01:38:11,373 --> 01:38:15,493
Speaker 7: taste your way through seventy two wines and one hundred minutes.

1935
01:38:16,733 --> 01:38:23,013
Speaker 4: Seventy two characters that aren't you, Yeah you are, but

1936
01:38:23,173 --> 01:38:25,173
Speaker 4: I mean you don't have to go through all of them,

1937
01:38:25,293 --> 01:38:26,933
Speaker 4: but you can if you want.

1938
01:38:27,013 --> 01:38:30,213
Speaker 7: You can have seventy two wines in one hundred minutes.

1939
01:38:30,253 --> 01:38:34,053
Speaker 7: So I wonder if host Responsibility might have skipped over Slovakia.

1940
01:38:34,133 --> 01:38:37,333
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, yes, very good. It sounds amazing Here clear

1941
01:38:37,373 --> 01:38:39,813
Speaker 4: sisplicness of text. Mike to say, Jack really loving walking

1942
01:38:39,893 --> 01:38:42,173
Speaker 4: down the Buttslava memory Lane this morning. We were there

1943
01:38:42,213 --> 01:38:45,453
Speaker 4: in twenty nineteen and everything Mike says just makes me want.

1944
01:38:45,333 --> 01:38:45,813
Speaker 5: To go back.

1945
01:38:45,933 --> 01:38:48,613
Speaker 4: So there you go. Very cool, Thank you very much.

1946
01:38:48,653 --> 01:38:50,413
Speaker 4: We'll make sure that all of your tips for a

1947
01:38:50,493 --> 01:38:53,693
Speaker 4: breezing through Buttslava and Slovakia are up on the news

1948
01:38:53,693 --> 01:38:56,533
Speaker 4: Talk CD website. Don't forget before mid day today our

1949
01:38:56,653 --> 01:38:59,653
Speaker 4: music reviewer is getting pumped up for the Summer Festies

1950
01:38:59,653 --> 01:39:02,733
Speaker 4: this year with her absolute favorites in the sets that

1951
01:39:02,773 --> 01:39:05,813
Speaker 4: she reckons are going to define the Kiwi Summer. Plus,

1952
01:39:05,853 --> 01:39:07,693
Speaker 4: we'll have you book picks for this week, including that

1953
01:39:07,813 --> 01:39:12,733
Speaker 4: first ever autobiographical collection from Lee Child. Just after eleven thirty.

1954
01:39:16,373 --> 01:39:20,653
Speaker 1: Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack Team

1955
01:39:20,773 --> 01:39:21,813
Speaker 1: on news Talk ZEDB.

1956
01:39:24,293 --> 01:39:39,093
Speaker 18: You got to know, You to Know, I understand twenty

1957
01:39:39,133 --> 01:39:41,013
Speaker 18: six to twelve on news Talk zed B.

1958
01:39:41,173 --> 01:39:44,013
Speaker 4: It's not even midday. In the band The Kingslander is

1959
01:39:44,173 --> 01:39:47,413
Speaker 4: already doing its sound checks today. It must know that

1960
01:39:47,493 --> 01:39:50,333
Speaker 4: Jason Pine is behind the mic after midday, counting down

1961
01:39:50,773 --> 01:39:53,013
Speaker 4: to the All Blacks versus the spring Box Piney and

1962
01:39:53,053 --> 01:39:56,373
Speaker 4: already plenty of atmosphere seven hours before kickoff.

1963
01:39:56,573 --> 01:40:00,293
Speaker 19: I know Jack coming to the Kingslanders through Kingsland, of course,

1964
01:40:00,813 --> 01:40:01,973
Speaker 19: the suburb that Eden.

1965
01:40:01,933 --> 01:40:02,493
Speaker 4: Park is in.

1966
01:40:02,733 --> 01:40:05,013
Speaker 19: Already there's a real buzz around a lot of people,

1967
01:40:05,013 --> 01:40:07,173
Speaker 19: a lot of all blacks Jerseys, people looking to get

1968
01:40:07,173 --> 01:40:09,853
Speaker 19: their luncheon nice and early, and yeah, coming to you

1969
01:40:09,933 --> 01:40:13,173
Speaker 19: from the Kingslander on youw North Road this afternoon between

1970
01:40:13,213 --> 01:40:13,893
Speaker 19: twelve and three.

1971
01:40:14,093 --> 01:40:15,733
Speaker 4: Man, I don't know about you.

1972
01:40:15,773 --> 01:40:20,653
Speaker 19: I can't remember a Test match that's had more excitement, anticipation,

1973
01:40:20,933 --> 01:40:22,893
Speaker 19: hype around it in the in the week or so

1974
01:40:23,013 --> 01:40:23,493
Speaker 19: leading into it.

1975
01:40:23,613 --> 01:40:26,053
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, very much. So what are the components that

1976
01:40:26,093 --> 01:40:28,413
Speaker 4: you are going to be most closely watching tonight?

1977
01:40:28,893 --> 01:40:30,013
Speaker 7: Oh chah, I think the start.

1978
01:40:30,453 --> 01:40:32,573
Speaker 19: I think you know this, as I say, so much hype.

1979
01:40:32,653 --> 01:40:34,653
Speaker 19: So which of the teams is able to have a

1980
01:40:34,693 --> 01:40:36,613
Speaker 19: cool head in the first ten or fifteen minutes. You

1981
01:40:36,653 --> 01:40:39,333
Speaker 19: don't necessarily win the game there, but you can go

1982
01:40:39,373 --> 01:40:41,853
Speaker 19: awey way towards losing it if you're not careful. Also,

1983
01:40:41,973 --> 01:40:44,453
Speaker 19: the physical battle. You know, we talk about how we

1984
01:40:44,493 --> 01:40:46,333
Speaker 19: want to see expanse of rugby, but I get the

1985
01:40:46,573 --> 01:40:48,693
Speaker 19: feeling that the spring Box will go back to their

1986
01:40:48,773 --> 01:40:53,173
Speaker 19: DNA of hard men, you know, running the ball hard

1987
01:40:53,213 --> 01:40:54,093
Speaker 19: and hitting even harder.

1988
01:40:54,133 --> 01:40:55,413
Speaker 4: The all blacks have to combat that.

1989
01:40:55,573 --> 01:40:58,373
Speaker 19: But I would like to see, you know that the

1990
01:40:58,493 --> 01:41:00,733
Speaker 19: chance for some of these outside backs, the likes of

1991
01:41:00,733 --> 01:41:03,853
Speaker 19: a Will Jordan, to break the game open. Perhaps it's

1992
01:41:03,933 --> 01:41:06,133
Speaker 19: just so hard to pick jack. It is such a

1993
01:41:06,133 --> 01:41:08,813
Speaker 19: coin flip this game. Both sides you know, you look

1994
01:41:08,813 --> 01:41:11,173
Speaker 19: at the Man for Man and probably actually South Africa.

1995
01:41:11,213 --> 01:41:14,093
Speaker 19: Probably man for man, you would say, certainly a more

1996
01:41:14,133 --> 01:41:16,733
Speaker 19: experienced team, but does that mean they're a better team.

1997
01:41:16,773 --> 01:41:19,613
Speaker 19: And then there's the eden Park factor of course as well.

1998
01:41:19,733 --> 01:41:23,013
Speaker 19: Nineteen ninety four as an awfully long time ago the

1999
01:41:23,093 --> 01:41:27,253
Speaker 19: last time anybody emerged from Eden Park victorious against the

2000
01:41:27,293 --> 01:41:30,133
Speaker 19: All Blacks, So that's there too, and the small matter

2001
01:41:30,173 --> 01:41:32,533
Speaker 19: of Arlie saves one hundredth games. So a lot of

2002
01:41:32,613 --> 01:41:34,053
Speaker 19: layers to this conversation.

2003
01:41:34,373 --> 01:41:36,453
Speaker 4: Looking forward to it very much, looking forward to it.

2004
01:41:36,493 --> 01:41:38,853
Speaker 4: Of course. Jason Pine, Elliott Smith and the team are

2005
01:41:38,853 --> 01:41:41,453
Speaker 4: going to have live coverage of the All Blacks versus

2006
01:41:41,453 --> 01:41:44,893
Speaker 4: South Africa this evening seven o'clock. The coverage starts Newstalk's

2007
01:41:44,893 --> 01:41:49,733
Speaker 4: He'd be Gold iHeartRadio as well, and yeah, the cover

2008
01:41:49,813 --> 01:41:52,013
Speaker 4: starts at seven. I think the game kicks off about

2009
01:41:52,053 --> 01:41:54,213
Speaker 4: five past seven, so make sure you stick around for

2010
01:41:54,253 --> 01:41:56,813
Speaker 4: that before midday. On News talks 'B we're getting excited

2011
01:41:56,853 --> 01:41:59,613
Speaker 4: for the Summer Music Festival, They're not that far away.

2012
01:42:00,613 --> 01:42:03,493
Speaker 4: Some big announcements for the lineups at Electric Avenue and

2013
01:42:03,613 --> 01:42:06,213
Speaker 4: Homegoing this week. Next up, though, your book picks for

2014
01:42:06,213 --> 01:42:08,333
Speaker 4: the Weekend twenty four to twelve.

2015
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Speaker 1: Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio

2016
01:42:15,053 --> 01:42:16,373
Speaker 1: powered by News Talks at b.

2017
01:42:17,093 --> 01:42:20,053
Speaker 4: For all the things that Lee Child has written over

2018
01:42:20,133 --> 01:42:24,253
Speaker 4: his incredible career, all of the amazing Reacher adventures, he

2019
01:42:24,373 --> 01:42:28,933
Speaker 4: has never yet published an autobiographical collection, that is, until now.

2020
01:42:29,893 --> 01:42:32,853
Speaker 4: Reacher The Stories Behind the Stories by Lee Child is

2021
01:42:32,933 --> 01:42:35,533
Speaker 4: the first of Katherine Rain's Our Book Reviewers Picks for

2022
01:42:35,613 --> 01:42:38,853
Speaker 4: this weekend. Hey Catherine, Morning, Jack, So tell us about it.

2023
01:42:39,653 --> 01:42:43,773
Speaker 20: So Lee Child was made redundant from a BBC in

2024
01:42:43,813 --> 01:42:48,013
Speaker 20: the early nineties, and so the book actually opens on Monday,

2025
01:42:48,053 --> 01:42:50,333
Speaker 20: September the fifth and nineteen ninety four, and he's at

2026
01:42:50,333 --> 01:42:54,093
Speaker 20: home at the dining room table writing the first chapter

2027
01:42:54,133 --> 01:42:56,053
Speaker 20: of his book, and he gives it to his wife

2028
01:42:56,093 --> 01:42:59,253
Speaker 20: and actually asks the very innoxious question should I continue?

2029
01:42:59,493 --> 01:43:02,693
Speaker 20: And she said, yes, I like it. So these are

2030
01:43:02,813 --> 01:43:05,853
Speaker 20: all of the tales of the Reacher novels, and it

2031
01:43:05,933 --> 01:43:08,293
Speaker 20: describes the cut up, behind the scenes and why the

2032
01:43:08,293 --> 01:43:10,253
Speaker 20: books turned out the way that they did, and he's

2033
01:43:10,253 --> 01:43:12,733
Speaker 20: got and he notes about it and what he was

2034
01:43:12,773 --> 01:43:16,053
Speaker 20: inspired by the context not only of what was going

2035
01:43:16,093 --> 01:43:19,013
Speaker 20: on his life, but the world outside the books. As well,

2036
01:43:19,373 --> 01:43:21,813
Speaker 20: and so it starts from nineteen ninety nine's Killing Flour

2037
01:43:21,813 --> 01:43:24,773
Speaker 20: all the way to twenty nineteen's Blue Moon, and it's

2038
01:43:24,813 --> 01:43:27,973
Speaker 20: that book Killing Floor that he's you know, was his

2039
01:43:28,133 --> 01:43:30,533
Speaker 20: debut novel and it went on to be a pretty

2040
01:43:30,533 --> 01:43:33,813
Speaker 20: big hit. And it was originally entitled actually bad Luck

2041
01:43:33,813 --> 01:43:35,813
Speaker 20: in Trouble, which went on to be his eleventh novel.

2042
01:43:36,133 --> 01:43:38,453
Speaker 20: And he talks about working with Tom Cruise and that

2043
01:43:38,573 --> 01:43:44,933
Speaker 20: whole Hollywood experience and Persuader was his He loved Alistair MacLean,

2044
01:43:45,053 --> 01:43:47,013
Speaker 20: so it was really, you know, kind of about writing

2045
01:43:47,173 --> 01:43:49,773
Speaker 20: like him and that sort of thing, and you know,

2046
01:43:49,933 --> 01:43:53,173
Speaker 20: reflects on actually how sixty one hours is his favorite

2047
01:43:53,213 --> 01:43:55,973
Speaker 20: of the Reacher novels, and you know, he credits a

2048
01:43:55,973 --> 01:43:58,373
Speaker 20: lot of success with the professionals around him, his agent,

2049
01:43:58,453 --> 01:44:01,613
Speaker 20: his publishing teams, and above all his family. And then

2050
01:44:01,613 --> 01:44:05,413
Speaker 20: actually the book ends with Lee Child with a short

2051
01:44:05,413 --> 01:44:08,173
Speaker 20: story called a Better Place, which is a Jack Reacher story.

2052
01:44:08,253 --> 01:44:10,533
Speaker 20: So for all fans, you get a little taste of

2053
01:44:10,613 --> 01:44:12,653
Speaker 20: Jack creature again with Lee Child on this book.

2054
01:44:12,813 --> 01:44:15,453
Speaker 4: Oh super Okay, that's the stories behind the stories by

2055
01:44:15,533 --> 01:44:17,693
Speaker 4: Lee Child, because his brother has been writing the last

2056
01:44:17,773 --> 01:44:19,213
Speaker 4: few Lee Child adventures.

2057
01:44:19,253 --> 01:44:21,853
Speaker 20: Yes, I think the last five, yeah, is it five?

2058
01:44:22,173 --> 01:44:24,573
Speaker 20: They write it, they wrote a couple together, and then.

2059
01:44:24,453 --> 01:44:27,453
Speaker 4: I think it's the last hand. Yeah, yeah, where.

2060
01:44:27,333 --> 01:44:29,813
Speaker 20: Andrew's kind of written them all on his own. So yeah,

2061
01:44:29,853 --> 01:44:31,413
Speaker 20: and it has put a bit of a different spin

2062
01:44:31,493 --> 01:44:33,773
Speaker 20: on it. But I still like I still like the tail.

2063
01:44:33,813 --> 01:44:36,693
Speaker 20: I still like Jack Reacher, and yeah, he has a bit.

2064
01:44:36,613 --> 01:44:38,133
Speaker 4: Of a different spin, but it's good. He has an

2065
01:44:38,173 --> 01:44:40,133
Speaker 4: amazing thing too, where he because you know, he came

2066
01:44:40,253 --> 01:44:42,093
Speaker 4: on the show and we talked to him about it.

2067
01:44:42,213 --> 01:44:43,933
Speaker 4: He was saying, you know, when he writes, he does

2068
01:44:43,973 --> 01:44:47,013
Speaker 4: that thing where he just he doesn't like map out

2069
01:44:46,293 --> 01:44:49,893
Speaker 4: a story arc or anything like that. Right, he doesn't.

2070
01:44:50,053 --> 01:44:54,933
Speaker 4: It's not it doesn't look like a mass murderer's leer.

2071
01:44:55,133 --> 01:44:57,453
Speaker 4: We have all of the bits of string and kind

2072
01:44:57,453 --> 01:44:59,733
Speaker 4: of fragments of bits of paper pinned to the walls,

2073
01:44:59,773 --> 01:45:02,733
Speaker 4: and everything's connected. Nothing like that. When he writes a book,

2074
01:45:02,773 --> 01:45:04,453
Speaker 4: he just writes a page, and then he just writes

2075
01:45:04,493 --> 01:45:05,973
Speaker 4: the next page, and he thinks, oh, yeah, that was good,

2076
01:45:06,013 --> 01:45:07,613
Speaker 4: and then just right it's the next page. Barey goes

2077
01:45:07,653 --> 01:45:10,773
Speaker 4: back and deletes anything. It's just amazing how his brain

2078
01:45:11,173 --> 01:45:14,453
Speaker 4: works when it comes to storytelling. So very much, and

2079
01:45:14,853 --> 01:45:16,293
Speaker 4: he crafts.

2080
01:45:15,893 --> 01:45:18,293
Speaker 20: The story that makes a lot of sense, and yeah,

2081
01:45:18,373 --> 01:45:21,533
Speaker 20: and then yeah, it is incredible because most most writers

2082
01:45:21,573 --> 01:45:25,253
Speaker 20: don't write like that, you know, with how you described it.

2083
01:45:25,293 --> 01:45:27,333
Speaker 20: So yeah, it's an incredible way that he does it.

2084
01:45:27,413 --> 01:45:29,173
Speaker 20: So I think it's his TV background that helps to.

2085
01:45:29,333 --> 01:45:32,653
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, absolutely see TV is good for something.

2086
01:45:33,013 --> 01:45:35,053
Speaker 4: The Stories Behind the Stories by Lee Child as your

2087
01:45:35,093 --> 01:45:38,933
Speaker 4: first book. Next up tell us about Frosty by Mark Winterbottom.

2088
01:45:39,373 --> 01:45:43,653
Speaker 20: So this story Mark Winterbottom starts in a very poor

2089
01:45:43,693 --> 01:45:46,653
Speaker 20: suburb of Sydney and dune Side and then ends up

2090
01:45:47,053 --> 01:45:49,893
Speaker 20: at the racing of kind of Mount Paran Armor. And

2091
01:45:50,493 --> 01:45:54,093
Speaker 20: you know, Mark Winterbottom didn't come from money, and actually

2092
01:45:54,093 --> 01:45:57,333
Speaker 20: where he gets his start is he actually wins raffle

2093
01:45:57,453 --> 01:46:00,053
Speaker 20: for a pee wee fifty motorcycle and that kind of

2094
01:46:00,053 --> 01:46:02,453
Speaker 20: got him hopped on on motor racing. And then he

2095
01:46:02,493 --> 01:46:05,773
Speaker 20: has this crash and his mother decided that his motorcycling

2096
01:46:05,813 --> 01:46:08,853
Speaker 20: career was over, but actually he could go kart racing.

2097
01:46:09,493 --> 01:46:11,813
Speaker 20: And the book actually talks a lot about his relationship

2098
01:46:11,893 --> 01:46:14,493
Speaker 20: with his mother, June, and the bond that they had

2099
01:46:15,053 --> 01:46:17,693
Speaker 20: and you know that's created between them, but particularly when

2100
01:46:17,733 --> 01:46:21,413
Speaker 20: his parents' marriage starts to dissolve and June was actually

2101
01:46:21,413 --> 01:46:24,213
Speaker 20: diagnosed with breast cancer when Mark was only four, and

2102
01:46:24,253 --> 01:46:26,973
Speaker 20: he ends up as her main support, accompanying to chema

2103
01:46:27,053 --> 01:46:31,053
Speaker 20: therapy sessions until she sadly passes away in twenty eleven.

2104
01:46:31,453 --> 01:46:34,893
Speaker 20: But her struggle with cancer shapes his childhood and his

2105
01:46:35,053 --> 01:46:38,613
Speaker 20: character and his connection with his mum's really strong. But

2106
01:46:38,773 --> 01:46:41,093
Speaker 20: actually it's almost the opposite what it is, the opposite

2107
01:46:41,093 --> 01:46:44,013
Speaker 20: with his father, who is incredibly strange from his father,

2108
01:46:44,053 --> 01:46:46,693
Speaker 20: who was a speedway racer guy called Jim, and he's

2109
01:46:46,733 --> 01:46:49,453
Speaker 20: never really spoken about it publicly, and he speaks about it,

2110
01:46:49,493 --> 01:46:51,853
Speaker 20: I think quite candidly in this book, you know. And

2111
01:46:51,893 --> 01:46:54,893
Speaker 20: the fact that they never reconcile before his father's death

2112
01:46:54,893 --> 01:46:58,453
Speaker 20: in twenty twenty from leukemia. So yeah, it's a kind

2113
01:46:58,453 --> 01:47:02,133
Speaker 20: of interesting person that Mark is is shaped. But then

2114
01:47:02,173 --> 01:47:04,533
Speaker 20: of course there's the motor racing and he won ten

2115
01:47:04,573 --> 01:47:08,373
Speaker 20: Australian cart championships, twenty five state championships, and then because

2116
01:47:08,373 --> 01:47:10,973
Speaker 20: he moves to Formula Ford and he wins Bathurst in

2117
01:47:10,973 --> 01:47:14,893
Speaker 20: ty thirteen alongside Kiewe Stephen Richardson. He won the twenty

2118
01:47:15,053 --> 01:47:18,533
Speaker 20: fifteen Supercars Championship. But actually he also talks about the

2119
01:47:18,573 --> 01:47:21,413
Speaker 20: politics of the supercars and what went on behind the scenes,

2120
01:47:21,453 --> 01:47:24,813
Speaker 20: and he's pretty candid about his racing life. He certainly

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Speaker 20: doesn't shy away from talking about people. He talks about

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Speaker 20: the people that really helped him, but he also talks

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Speaker 20: about his rivals, particularly Mark Larkham, you know, with his

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Speaker 20: exit from the TV Stars team in two thousand and five,

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Speaker 20: his rivalry with Jamie Wincup. He really sort of saves

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Speaker 20: a lot of his chat about Craig Lownds, who really

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Speaker 20: gets some sharp critique, and their battles in twenty fourteen

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Speaker 20: and fifteen, and then of course this is very recent

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Speaker 20: exit from Team eighteen.

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Speaker 7: And the book has lots here.

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Speaker 20: Whether you're a Mark Winterbottom fan or not, it's got

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Speaker 20: lots about motor racing and full performance and some really

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Speaker 20: good stories. And I think I think those motor racing

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Speaker 20: fans we'll find some good things on the.

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Speaker 4: Spot, and I can tell that you are one of them, Catherine,

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Speaker 4: I am, yeah, I know. No, it's very good. You're

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Speaker 4: full of surprises. That's great. So that is the Stories

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Speaker 4: behind Sorry. That is Frosty by Mike winter Bottom. Your

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Speaker 4: first book is of course the Stories behind the stories

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Speaker 4: by Lee Child. Both of those we'll be on the

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Speaker 4: news Talk z'd be website. We're counting down to the

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Speaker 4: summer fifty season. Next a couple of big announcements for

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Speaker 4: lineups in the New Zealand festivals our music reviewers, then shortly.

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Speaker 3: Giving you the inside scoop on all you need to know.

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Speaker 3: Saturday morning with Jack Dame News Talks Be.

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Speaker 13: Can stop Believe in London, Bred.

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Speaker 4: Brain can salon.

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Speaker 6: What section pay dock down.

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Speaker 4: Until the lights Well just oh that's the greatest. By

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Speaker 4: six sixty, we're counting down some top kiwee bands this

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Speaker 4: morning on news Talks edb as the lineups for New

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Speaker 4: Zealand summer festivals for twenty five twenty six beginning to

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Speaker 4: be confirmed music via Style. Clifford is here with us

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Speaker 4: this morning.

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Speaker 12: Hello Lo Moderna.

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Speaker 21: I have been sideline football and my raincoat and I

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01:49:25,733 --> 01:49:28,493
Speaker 21: am ready to shed that skin and embrace summer.

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Speaker 4: Right yep, yeah, I think we all are speaking for

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01:49:30,733 --> 01:49:31,573
Speaker 4: all of us this morning.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, exactly, you've been out there this morning. Now we

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Speaker 21: want some good gems to get us through into the festival.

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Speaker 21: Vibe six sixty of course, I mean that just sounds

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Speaker 21: like summer. It sounds like a festival as soon as

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Speaker 21: your crank cup their music.

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Speaker 12: They are one of the bands.

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Speaker 21: Who have been confirmed for Homegrown, of course in its

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Speaker 21: new home of Claudland's Oval and Hamilton and the Mighty

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Speaker 21: Tron next year away from Wellington, and that is going.

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Speaker 12: To be massive.

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Speaker 21: The other huge festival that's been announced this week is

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Speaker 21: Electric Avenue.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: It's got bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and

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Speaker 4: bigger A yeah.

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Speaker 12: And I love that it's in Hagley Park in christ Urch.

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Speaker 21: I love it gives people an excuse to head down

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Speaker 21: south and maybe tag it on to the end of

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Speaker 21: you finishing summer holidays and then you get back into

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Speaker 21: it with a two day festival so that you can

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Speaker 21: pre register now too for pre sales, which happen pre

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Speaker 21: sale's open on Wednesday. I think it's going to I

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Speaker 21: think this is going to sell out pretty fast because

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Speaker 21: the big headlining act is Split Ends Amazing, so celebrating

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Speaker 21: their fiftieth anniversary, they're headlining this and I think producing Libby.

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Speaker 21: When her and I were having a chat earlier in

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Speaker 21: the week, We're like, they're not just going to headline this,

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01:50:38,933 --> 01:50:41,333
Speaker 21: are they I don't want to start a rumor or

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Speaker 21: anything or any huge expectation on them, But if you're

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Speaker 21: going to bring all the band back together.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, think of all the practice that needs

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Speaker 4: to go in, right.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, maybe they don't practice at all, Jack, maybe that

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Speaker 21: maybe get up on stage and go for it after

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Speaker 21: fifty years of having these tunes in their heads. I

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Speaker 21: don't know, but that is going to be spectacular. It

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Speaker 21: is the full band who's.

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Speaker 7: Going to be there.

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Speaker 12: I just think that's that's going to be a very

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Speaker 12: big crowd there.

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Speaker 4: That's interesting totally.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, it's huge at the festival's two way like that.

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Speaker 21: It kind of covers a lot of generations when it

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01:51:15,253 --> 01:51:18,413
Speaker 21: comes to the music, and I really love that. So,

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Speaker 21: I mean you've got split ends who definitely go over

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01:51:20,653 --> 01:51:24,813
Speaker 21: decades since the seventies, and then you've got the streets

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Speaker 21: and basement jacks as part of that festival. I mean

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01:51:28,493 --> 01:51:31,213
Speaker 21: that's kind of like your nineties sort of into the

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Speaker 21: two thousands.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, don't you know those guys, I can't I.

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Speaker 21: Seriously seen that on stage that if they don't perform there,

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Speaker 21: I'd be very very surprised.

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01:51:42,573 --> 01:51:45,253
Speaker 12: Yeah yeah, yeah, much like Kasha being there.

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Speaker 21: Like that's quite an exclusive exclusive to the New Zealand

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01:51:49,013 --> 01:51:51,013
Speaker 21: version of Electric Avenue.

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Speaker 12: How did they do that.

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Speaker 4: Variety? Because it's over two days now, right, yeah.

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Speaker 21: Two days, so you've got to have your wits about you,

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Speaker 21: can I please give us some advice here when it

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01:52:03,093 --> 01:52:05,973
Speaker 21: comes to today festivals. Don't pre party on the Thursday. Yes,

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Speaker 21: I know you're going to be fizzed that your people

2221
01:52:08,493 --> 01:52:10,773
Speaker 21: are all coming together and they'll probably come together on

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Speaker 21: the Thursday and you'll go hard from Friday morning.

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Speaker 12: Don't don't pre party my advice.

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Speaker 4: My advice is don't wear your new pair of Doc

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01:52:18,733 --> 01:52:20,813
Speaker 4: Martins or not those either.

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01:52:20,893 --> 01:52:22,333
Speaker 12: You need the ones that you've had for twenty.

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01:52:22,213 --> 01:52:24,693
Speaker 4: Years exactly exactly. They need to be well.

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01:52:24,573 --> 01:52:26,973
Speaker 21: Worn in you know, actually you know the thing you

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01:52:27,013 --> 01:52:28,813
Speaker 21: should wear to a festival, and I get that on

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01:52:28,853 --> 01:52:30,333
Speaker 21: the top half you might not want to rock it,

2231
01:52:30,413 --> 01:52:34,733
Speaker 21: but active wear because if at least not on the

2232
01:52:34,813 --> 01:52:39,173
Speaker 21: top half, we're your most comfy of sneaks. Because happy

2233
01:52:39,253 --> 01:52:41,653
Speaker 21: feet are dancing feet and you will be able to

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01:52:41,693 --> 01:52:43,733
Speaker 21: stay standing for a long period of time if you're

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01:52:43,773 --> 01:52:46,733
Speaker 21: wearing your most comfy of sneakers. So don't even worry

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01:52:46,733 --> 01:52:48,893
Speaker 21: if you're sneening it like if you're doing the sign

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01:52:48,973 --> 01:52:52,493
Speaker 21: foul jeans and sneakers, don't who can clean because you

2238
01:52:52,893 --> 01:52:54,973
Speaker 21: lean into it. You want to survive these two days,

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01:52:55,373 --> 01:52:58,133
Speaker 21: so don't party till you get there. Where your comfy

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Speaker 21: sneakers or you're very worn in docks like you say.

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01:53:00,653 --> 01:53:03,293
Speaker 21: Also a bum bag or fanny pack, whatever you want

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01:53:03,293 --> 01:53:06,533
Speaker 21: to call it, because that's hands free fun man. You

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01:53:06,573 --> 01:53:08,493
Speaker 21: don't have to be worrying about where your cards, where

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01:53:08,493 --> 01:53:10,093
Speaker 21: your phone as it all goes in where you go

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01:53:10,173 --> 01:53:12,853
Speaker 21: to use the portaloo is it put up? No worries,

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01:53:12,853 --> 01:53:15,013
Speaker 21: You're not going to drop anything. We shouldn't be dropping it.

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01:53:15,173 --> 01:53:17,013
Speaker 12: So those are the mustaves.

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01:53:17,733 --> 01:53:19,853
Speaker 4: Can we know who's playing Rhythm and Vines this year?

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Speaker 12: I do know that, and I just slipped my mind

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Speaker 12: now actually.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm looking at now. So who's going to be

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01:53:27,773 --> 01:53:31,693
Speaker 4: playing dece Between? Oh yeah, I mean Rhythm and Vines

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01:53:31,773 --> 01:53:33,653
Speaker 4: is like they're so cool that I don't know who

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01:53:33,693 --> 01:53:33,933
Speaker 4: they are.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 21: It's one of those kind of coming of age festivals

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01:53:37,573 --> 01:53:39,813
Speaker 21: too over the New Year. So at some stage in

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01:53:39,853 --> 01:53:41,933
Speaker 21: your life, if you haven't had a Rhythm and Vines,

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01:53:41,973 --> 01:53:46,253
Speaker 21: you should definitely make the trip to get into that

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Speaker 21: camping vibe and go and do it because it'll be massive.

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Speaker 21: What's kind of cool Tho was a lot of those

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01:53:49,973 --> 01:53:52,733
Speaker 21: key we bands are following those gigs around, which is

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01:53:52,853 --> 01:53:53,373
Speaker 21: quite fun for.

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Speaker 7: Their may.

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Speaker 12: Like I know ones like Sums of Zion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:53:58,773 --> 01:54:01,373
Speaker 21: See, those kind of guys on the homegrown stage will

2268
01:54:01,413 --> 01:54:03,973
Speaker 21: be really great. You've got the Jordan luck Bend coming

2269
01:54:04,013 --> 01:54:08,013
Speaker 21: in and then Ray and you're wicky and villainy, so

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01:54:08,093 --> 01:54:11,453
Speaker 21: it kind of mixes up just that reggae dubs sound,

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01:54:11,533 --> 01:54:13,533
Speaker 21: but you've got some of that meddle and rock.

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Speaker 4: O home bro music's coming to rhythm.

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01:54:17,853 --> 01:54:18,053
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Nice.

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Speaker 21: See that's also why they release tickets now because it's

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Speaker 21: before your Christmas present.

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01:54:23,853 --> 01:54:26,013
Speaker 4: Yeah of course. So who's your top pig to go

2278
01:54:26,093 --> 01:54:26,413
Speaker 4: and see?

2279
01:54:27,093 --> 01:54:29,693
Speaker 21: You have to see Split Ends, yes, and you have

2280
01:54:29,813 --> 01:54:31,653
Speaker 21: to see Kasha. And I know she's like a free

2281
01:54:31,693 --> 01:54:33,493
Speaker 21: spirit now and doing her own music, But if she

2282
01:54:33,533 --> 01:54:36,093
Speaker 21: doesn't do TikTok, I would seriously cry, yeah, no.

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01:54:36,253 --> 01:54:39,173
Speaker 4: She's got to do that. She could, she must be

2284
01:54:39,213 --> 01:54:40,373
Speaker 4: allowed to write, yeah.

2285
01:54:40,453 --> 01:54:42,893
Speaker 21: Absolutely, yeah, yeah if she doesn't do that, But I

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01:54:43,013 --> 01:54:44,693
Speaker 21: just think that it's amazing that she's going to be

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01:54:44,813 --> 01:54:46,773
Speaker 21: part of that festival, so I wouldn't want to miss

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01:54:47,213 --> 01:54:47,693
Speaker 21: seeing her.

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01:54:48,133 --> 01:54:48,453
Speaker 7: And then.

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01:54:51,133 --> 01:54:52,013
Speaker 12: Isn't that so weird?

2291
01:54:52,293 --> 01:54:56,573
Speaker 21: Like what a weird collection of artists to see? And

2292
01:54:56,613 --> 01:54:58,573
Speaker 21: then yeah, Dacks project. When you see those guys live,

2293
01:54:59,133 --> 01:55:02,653
Speaker 21: huge energy and there's something cool about someone who sings

2294
01:55:02,693 --> 01:55:04,093
Speaker 21: and plays sex ifone at the same time. When you

2295
01:55:04,133 --> 01:55:06,733
Speaker 21: actually see that physically live away from the recording music,

2296
01:55:07,093 --> 01:55:08,653
Speaker 21: soun's pretty magic to see.

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01:55:08,773 --> 01:55:11,053
Speaker 4: Yeah, so good. All right, have a wonderful weekend. Thank

2298
01:55:11,093 --> 01:55:13,093
Speaker 4: you so much of Stelle. Stelle Clifford with her top

2299
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Speaker 4: picks for the summer festivals that haven't so far. Six

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Speaker 4: to twelve on News talks.

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Speaker 3: 'DB cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with

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Speaker 3: Jack Team News Talks B.

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Speaker 4: Jason Pine and the team are standing by at the Kingslander,

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Speaker 4: just down the road from Eden Park as they preplan

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Speaker 4: to count down to the All Blacks spring box kickoff

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Speaker 4: this evening. My goodness, it is going to be a

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Speaker 4: thrilling test match. Don't forget a course that News Talks

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Speaker 4: he'd be or have live coverage from six o'clock this evening,

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Speaker 4: kickoff just after seven o'clock go the AB's. I feel

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Speaker 4: quietly confident I don't want to say that too much,

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Speaker 4: but I feel like yep, especially given it's Artie hundredth.

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Speaker 4: We're going to be there tonight. Thank you so much

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Speaker 4: you next Saturday morning. Until then, have a wonderful weekend.

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