WEBVTT - Five years missing: Eloi Rolland’s family holds onto hope for answers

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<v Speaker 1>Kiata.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a

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<v Speaker 2>daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. French exchange

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<v Speaker 2>student Elois Roland was last seen five.

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<v Speaker 1>Years ago today.

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<v Speaker 2>The then eighteen year old's disappearance has baffled authorities ever since.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it murder, a kidnapping, an accident?

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<v Speaker 2>Did he get lost in the bush, commit suicide or

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<v Speaker 2>plan an escape?

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<v Speaker 1>Is he still alive? Does he want to be found?

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<v Speaker 2>He searches Google Maps for directions to Piha about five

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<v Speaker 2>am that morning, he walks for nearly two hours. He

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<v Speaker 2>turns onto Pihar Road about nine sixteen am and at

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<v Speaker 2>nine forty eight am the battery on his phone goes

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<v Speaker 2>dead and then nothing nothing for five years. Today on

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<v Speaker 2>the front Page, Herald's senior journalist and A Lease wins

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<v Speaker 2>us as we take a look back at Aloa's disappearance.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll also hear some clips from my conversations with Alowa's parents,

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<v Speaker 2>Tieri and Katsman, and Bruno du Bois of a Cappella Productions,

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<v Speaker 2>who directed a documentary series in France about Lawa's story.

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<v Speaker 2>And Elois disappeared five years ago. Can you tell me

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit about the investigation.

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<v Speaker 3>Initially, police were able to ascertain that after he left

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<v Speaker 3>his host family's home, which was on the north Shore,

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<v Speaker 3>he came into town and got on a train who

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<v Speaker 3>was sent at Britomart, the big transports center in Auckland,

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<v Speaker 3>and then he was seen again on camera in West Auckland,

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<v Speaker 3>and from there they know that he's probably walked ten

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<v Speaker 3>kilometers to the area of Piha Road. That's where his

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<v Speaker 3>cell phone was tracked to and that's where it stopped.

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<v Speaker 3>They checked the area extensively. They went through the bush,

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<v Speaker 3>they went door knocking, they just did everything they could

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<v Speaker 3>in that area to find traces of him, and there

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<v Speaker 3>was just nothing. Some point later on I found a

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<v Speaker 3>T shirt and that was seemed off to be for

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<v Speaker 3>exically tasted, but wasn't his.

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<v Speaker 2>There's been a lot of interest about his disappearance here,

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<v Speaker 2>but also actually in France. I've spoken with the director there,

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<v Speaker 2>Bruno do' pois of a Cappella Productions, about a documentary

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<v Speaker 2>series he actually did, and he's told me it's gotten

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of traction over there.

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<v Speaker 4>In France. We heard a lot about this story because

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<v Speaker 4>at this time it was COVID. I discover by Facebook,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was very concerned because it was very strange.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't heard about the story, and I think it

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<v Speaker 4>was a very very big injustice. And I start to

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<v Speaker 4>work about the story. I ad meet the family and

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<v Speaker 4>promised to help them. So try to understand what's happened

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<v Speaker 4>to Eloid's and after we have to wait for two

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<v Speaker 4>years before can come to New Zealand because you know,

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<v Speaker 4>use lound clothing border to her. To wait is a

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<v Speaker 4>long way a long time. It was very difficult for

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<v Speaker 4>parents that as this done, we can only work with

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<v Speaker 4>Donet with his familiar We tried to find everything about

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<v Speaker 4>his life in use on Brod's activity.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's important to note one went missing in

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<v Speaker 2>the early days of COVID. Hey, the week after he

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<v Speaker 2>went missing, the WITJO actually officially declared a global pandemic.

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<v Speaker 1>This gives us some insight into how it was. Disappearance

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<v Speaker 1>kind of flew under the radar a bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, Yeah, it absolutely did. And a lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>go missing in New Zealand and turn up later on.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's a lot of stories that we do, a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of press releases we get from police saying this

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<v Speaker 3>person is missing, and then a few hours later they've

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<v Speaker 3>been found. We knew that Ala hadn't been found, we

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<v Speaker 3>knew that he was still missing. But also this huge,

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<v Speaker 3>big pandemic was happening at the time, and a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of things just became sort of secondary, I guess in

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<v Speaker 3>the headlines. And that must have been so frustrating for

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<v Speaker 3>his family being on the other side of the world.

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<v Speaker 3>They can't get here to search themselves. But the police have,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, sure that they've just done everything they can.

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<v Speaker 3>They've chased every lead, any tip that's come in, they've

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<v Speaker 3>looked at and if it's you know, if it's something

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<v Speaker 3>they can work with, they have done that. But it

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<v Speaker 3>was such an unprecedented and unknown time in the world,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think that the events of COVID definitely took

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<v Speaker 3>this over for sure. And again, I just cannot imagine

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<v Speaker 3>someone in my family being missing on the other side

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<v Speaker 3>of the world and not being able to physically go

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<v Speaker 3>there and look for them myself and see the area

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<v Speaker 3>and understand what might have been going on.

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<v Speaker 2>So Elua came to New Zealand to study English, and

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<v Speaker 2>as far as his family was aware, he didn't actually

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<v Speaker 2>have any previous mental health concerns. But what kind of

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<v Speaker 2>behavior did he exhibit while he was here.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, there were no red flags for his host family.

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<v Speaker 3>He had planned to go home earlier. He changed his

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<v Speaker 3>flights to go home earlier in the month. I think

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<v Speaker 3>he was due to Goham in late Main and he

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<v Speaker 3>changed his flight to the twenty first. He told friends

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<v Speaker 3>that he was homesick. He felt very lonely here and

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<v Speaker 3>he was missing friends and family. He wanted to just

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<v Speaker 3>go back to France. And he was actually really excited

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<v Speaker 3>because he had a test coming up to get into

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<v Speaker 3>the Air Force and he wanted to go back and

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<v Speaker 3>do that early and move on with that. So he

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<v Speaker 3>was a young person with plans and he was excited

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<v Speaker 3>about his future. But at the same time he was homesick.

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<v Speaker 3>He was speaking about loneliness, and you know, there were

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<v Speaker 3>some other things going on. You know, I think there

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<v Speaker 3>had been a romantic situation that hadn't gone his way,

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<v Speaker 3>and understandably he wasn't feeling great. But even so, his

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<v Speaker 3>friends that he spoke to regularly didn't have any sort

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<v Speaker 3>of huge concerns about him at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>So Bruno, the director I spoke to, actually said from

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<v Speaker 2>the videos that he had seen, they thought maybe it

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<v Speaker 2>was schizophrenia, because you start developing those symptoms around that age,

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<v Speaker 2>But he did say that he's not a psychologist and

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<v Speaker 2>it could have been something else like depression.

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<v Speaker 1>In the months leading up to his disappearance, he had

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<v Speaker 1>apparently fallen in love with a French girl at his class.

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<v Speaker 1>She had a boyfriend who arrived in December. His teacher

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<v Speaker 1>said his mood changes, he started acting weird. He was

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<v Speaker 1>sacked from two restaurant jobs. At one of them, security

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<v Speaker 1>took a video of him ranting and raving after being

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<v Speaker 1>thrown out, and he sends a video to his parents

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<v Speaker 1>saying the owner of the hotel he worked at created

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<v Speaker 1>the coronavirus and said that he wanted to quote kill him.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing, though, for certain, is that Elois felt alone.

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<v Speaker 4>All those students start to judge him has some strange

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<v Speaker 4>guy and if you work very alone. At this time,

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<v Speaker 4>he started to put publication on Facebook and Mastagram, very strength,

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<v Speaker 4>very long, very provocative. He communicate about his bad feeling,

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<v Speaker 4>his sad feeling. He was as sick, but he said

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<v Speaker 4>a lot. He said a lot in the social network.

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody owned him, especially for those students in us school

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<v Speaker 4>rejected him and not him, and I think sam is

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<v Speaker 4>something with markin of kindness. Maybe somebody can help him

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<v Speaker 4>and say, okay, you are sick. We can go in

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<v Speaker 4>the hospitality or doctor and we will help you. That's

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<v Speaker 4>what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>You think basically he was acting strange. He may have

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<v Speaker 2>developed some kind of mental health condition like perhaps schizophrenia,

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<v Speaker 2>and that kind of explains his rational behavior.

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<v Speaker 3>What clues did.

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<v Speaker 2>You find by looking through his social media accounts?

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<v Speaker 4>We find a lot of things and a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>message and message. He was very alone, he feels very

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<v Speaker 4>around and nobody else helps him. He sent a lot,

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<v Speaker 4>a lot and a lot of message to it. And

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<v Speaker 4>when somebody do that, obviously it's for to call help.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>In one message he's sent by a voice message. Everybody

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<v Speaker 4>can see how need help, but they don't. He said it.

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<v Speaker 4>What is also we said it that he understanding himself here,

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<v Speaker 4>He wondered himself about what's happened to him, and he

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<v Speaker 4>said it. He said it a lot and story wat

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<v Speaker 4>this age. But everybody reject you.

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<v Speaker 2>And what have police said about the investigation into Elwat's disappearance.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, they've said all along that it remains open that

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<v Speaker 3>they will follow up any line of inquiry. Any you know,

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<v Speaker 3>in cases like this, they don't stay active on a

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<v Speaker 3>daily basis. You know, police can only do so much

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<v Speaker 3>and then they have to sort of move to the

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<v Speaker 3>next phase of an investigation. So while this is never closed,

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<v Speaker 3>there's not a whole team working on it every day.

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<v Speaker 3>They have promised though, that if there is no new information,

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<v Speaker 3>they'll act on it. And you know, it's a hard

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<v Speaker 3>part of New Zealand when someone goes missing out on

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<v Speaker 3>that west coast. And I don't think a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people understand that the area our bush is intense. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not just a little forest, it's not just some trees.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really heavy forestation, and it's a really precarious sort

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<v Speaker 3>of you know, ground and terrain, and police can only

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<v Speaker 3>do so much. They employ search and rescue professionals, they

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<v Speaker 3>use dogs, They drones now and heat seeking drones, and

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<v Speaker 3>they've got so many ways to look for people and

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<v Speaker 3>they employ all of those in a case like this.

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<v Speaker 3>They've always said they won't close this case until or

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<v Speaker 3>unless they have really good reason to. There have been

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<v Speaker 3>other cases of people that have gone missing in that area,

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<v Speaker 3>and after a while, the only sort of logical conclusion

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<v Speaker 3>is that they have passed away and those cases have

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<v Speaker 3>been referred to the coroner. Alowa's case hasn't yet and

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<v Speaker 3>police have assured his family and us, you know, multiple

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<v Speaker 3>times that in any new information they will act on

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<v Speaker 3>and it remains open and anyone with information is encouraged

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<v Speaker 3>to come forward.

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<v Speaker 2>So documentary filmmaker Dupois and the Rowlands, they think that

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<v Speaker 2>there are endless scenarios about what could have happened to Elois.

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<v Speaker 4>We really can't know what's happened to you. We really

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<v Speaker 4>can not because we have no information, no clues. So

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not sure. I think maybe my conviction is issues.

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<v Speaker 4>He shoes to live, but probably it went bad, I

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<v Speaker 4>think in first issues, but probably it went bad. But

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sure he didn't suicide. And maybe what he's missing

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<v Speaker 4>now it's a criminal investigation. But to say we have

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<v Speaker 4>no fact investigation, but we have no fact for nothing

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<v Speaker 4>for suicide and no fact for as the believers in

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<v Speaker 4>a bush.

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<v Speaker 1>So the detective in charge of the investigation told The

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<v Speaker 1>Herald in twenty twenty two he thought it was unlikely

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<v Speaker 1>that La made it to the Black Sense of Piha Beach.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, my thoughts are still the bush he's potentially

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<v Speaker 1>tried to take a shortcut to the beach and didn't

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<v Speaker 1>realize how far that would be and overestimated his abilities.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, it's pretty gnarly in there. It is possible

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<v Speaker 1>he's just thought, well, it's like a straight line down there,

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<v Speaker 1>so it shouldn't be a problem, and maybe he's gotten

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<v Speaker 1>into some grief in the bush somewhere.

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<v Speaker 3>The police have always told me that they're keeping an

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<v Speaker 3>open mind. Obviously, the area Alois has gone missing in

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<v Speaker 3>or was last seen in, is that really intense bush

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<v Speaker 3>sort of areas. There's lots of places out there where

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<v Speaker 3>people can slip and fall and have accidents and may

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<v Speaker 3>not necessarily be found quickly. You know, there's people out

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<v Speaker 3>there that have never been found, unfortunately. But police are

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<v Speaker 3>open to any any theory or any you know, they've

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<v Speaker 3>not shut down anything. There's no signs of foul play,

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<v Speaker 3>there's no signs of any sort of kidnapp or you

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<v Speaker 3>suspicious circumstance. But equally, if someone came forward with information,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the police have said that they will investigate that.

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<v Speaker 3>I just can't imagine what it's like for Alowa's family to,

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<v Speaker 3>as I said, not be able to come here and

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<v Speaker 3>to know and have that closure. There's just so many

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<v Speaker 3>unknowns for them, and you know, unsurprisingly they must constantly

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<v Speaker 3>think about different ways and means that he's gone missing,

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<v Speaker 3>and that must be absolutely torturing for them.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for joining us, Anna, Thank you. I spoke with Elwa's.

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<v Speaker 5>Parents, Tierry and Katerine and they came to New Zealand

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<v Speaker 5>in twenty twenty two where they appealed to the public

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<v Speaker 5>for any information about their son, and they told me

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<v Speaker 5>the five years since Elawa's disappearance just feels like five days.

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<v Speaker 6>We are very we feel very come breaking, very worry

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<v Speaker 6>on the it's very difficult since this DISCIPPL every day,

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<v Speaker 6>every night really think to a war. It's very difficult

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<v Speaker 6>because we have not news of the war. Because of

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<v Speaker 6>the investigations. Police are very difficult for her. It's not

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<v Speaker 6>easy to communicate and every day, the week, every month,

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<v Speaker 6>we try to keep the contact with New Zealand the authority.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think happens?

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<v Speaker 6>In fact, we always it is safe and in good health.

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<v Speaker 6>But it's very difficult. We have done everything to keep

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<v Speaker 6>open police investigations.

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<v Speaker 7>The police did a lot of suctioning in the area

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<v Speaker 7>where it was disappeared, but she didn't find anything, and

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<v Speaker 7>we still don't know what what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I have spoken with police and they say the file

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<v Speaker 2>remains open into the disappearance of elir Eloi is still

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<v Speaker 2>a missing person and police continue to follow up any news.

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<v Speaker 7>We are very greatful. We are very grateful because for us,

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<v Speaker 7>it's very important that Ilwa stay in the in the

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<v Speaker 7>main and the main of of the people on the world,

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<v Speaker 7>on the earth. The most important is that the people

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<v Speaker 7>remember one because perhaps they have a testimony. We don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it for this episode of The Front Page. You

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