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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty, local and

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Speaker 2: This evening Allie Jones, Red pr and Tim Wilson of

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Speaker 2: the Maximum Institute. Hire you two, Hi, Bo Hi?

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Speaker 1: There?

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Speaker 2: Are you planning the old big summer trip down State

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Speaker 2: Highway one?

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Speaker 3: Then?

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Speaker 2: Tim?

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Speaker 3: Not after that conversation. Yeah, you know what I want

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Speaker 3: to know. It's like, why four years? Four years worth

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Speaker 3: of work? Who did it get to four years? Why

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Speaker 3: did they wait? What's the explanation?

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Speaker 2: It's four years of potholes that you can just instead

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Speaker 2: of instead of have I thought it was just future

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Speaker 2: proving instead of having four years worth of potholes, you

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Speaker 2: fix it now and then you don't have them for

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Speaker 2: four years.

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Speaker 4: No, I took it the other way around. I'm taking

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Speaker 4: it the way that Tim's saying. I think it's deferring maintenance.

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Speaker 3: Tim.

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Speaker 4: That's what local government, central government does to save money. Well,

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Speaker 4: you know, in any one year, they defer maintenance.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So it's pretty run of the mill stuff. And

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Speaker 2: even if you did do the trip, Tim, with four children,

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Speaker 2: what have you got? Have you got yourself a van

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Speaker 2: or something? Now? Timmy? You there, Tim you've muted yourself. Jeez, honestly, what.

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Speaker 4: A dad sick of the sound of his own voice?

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Speaker 2: Well, isn't he?

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Speaker 3: Anyway, where we go, I had one of them that

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Speaker 3: must have been you never give a phone to a

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Speaker 3: child during a huddle.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Oh yeah, no, you blame the children. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: really cool of you, guy.

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Speaker 1: That's why.

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Speaker 3: That's why you have four You've got four excuses running.

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Speaker 2: And also it took you such a long time to

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Speaker 2: take the phone away from your face and unmuted. Did

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Speaker 2: you forget where the mute button was?

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Speaker 3: I had to climb a tree first, all right?

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Speaker 2: Okay, now listen Ali having a look at the he

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Speaker 2: coy on on on the metric of numbers and how

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Speaker 2: peaceful it was. That was a success, wasn't it? Absolutely

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Speaker 2: it was a success.

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Speaker 4: I've heard varying figures thirty five, forty five, fifty five.

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Speaker 2: Thousand, why stop there?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. It'll be one hundred thousand by six o'clock,

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Speaker 4: I tell you. But I think that's significant. I think

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Speaker 4: the numbers none of the nonsense that we've seen before,

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Speaker 4: and I think that's made a huge difference. What's not

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Speaker 4: to like about this? This was people exercising their democratic right,

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Speaker 4: being passionate about their heritage, standing up for something that's

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Speaker 4: really important to them, that they believe in, and it

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Speaker 4: was all done. I haven't heard any arrest numbers or

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Speaker 4: anything like that, but it seems to have been done

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Speaker 4: very peacefully.

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Speaker 2: And yet because of that, Timid feels like a fizzer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I heard you saying that. I think you've got

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Speaker 3: You're onto something there. In terms of the momentum that

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Speaker 3: was established by the Harker in Parliament, that's seven hundred

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Speaker 3: million views and this I want to see how it

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Speaker 3: plays out during that Select Committee hearing. So it's one

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Speaker 3: thing to hold an amazing event, and I've got to

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Speaker 3: say civility was the winner at the end of the day.

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Speaker 3: You compare it that much with say Minneapolis downtown Minneapolis

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Speaker 3: we transact and negotiate racial issues. I think we're actually

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Speaker 3: we should put ourselves on the back. It's just how

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Speaker 3: do you keep the momentum going.

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Speaker 2: I didn't take what do you like about the way

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Speaker 2: that we transact and discuss racial issues.

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Speaker 3: In our country? It's an argument within the family. So

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Speaker 3: because the high rates of intermarriage between mary and non mary.

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Speaker 3: But in the United States, it's a fight between two

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Speaker 3: families and it's better.

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Speaker 1: But you're not.

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Speaker 2: Worried that it's going to get because this is the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that does concern me, And particularly when you look

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Speaker 3: at you've got two minor parties who have seen a

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Speaker 3: big and essentially they're vying for the constituency of the

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Speaker 3: major parties. I'd send the two losers here are Labor

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Speaker 3: and National and they have been galvanized, galvanized and mobilized.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, we'll probably see more of this. And what

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Speaker 3: makes an effect. What made the effect was the hark

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Speaker 3: of the RW breaking stuff. I wonder how much effect

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Speaker 2: What do you make Ali of David Seymour going out

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Speaker 4: The highly predictable I mean, what would you expect people

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Speaker 4: going to come up and give them a hug. I

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Speaker 4: don't think that was going to happen, and it didn't,

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Speaker 4: and he deserved it to be frank.

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Speaker 2: Why did he deserve it? Well?

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Speaker 4: Because oh no, actually that's wrong. I shouldn't have said,

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Speaker 4: and I shouldn't have said that he stood.

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Speaker 2: You are you're going down the path? That will one

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Speaker 2: warning about it? Get right.

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Speaker 4: It as irrational and it's really emotional because I just

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Speaker 4: find him so bloody annoying to be frank, and so

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Speaker 4: I take that back. He came out, he stood up, and.

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Speaker 2: He spoke, and he should get credit for that.

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Speaker 4: However, you know it was going to be hostile crowd.

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Speaker 4: He was never going to be well received, Elliott.

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Speaker 3: I think David Seymour. David Seymour does he does like

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Speaker 3: a disagreeable crowd, and so there is there is something

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Speaker 3: of that there, let's say, and I guess to that

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Speaker 3: to that end, I you know, you look going back

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Speaker 3: to the Harker as well, there's a there's a performative

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Speaker 3: aspect and we'll probably get to the behavior in the

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Speaker 3: house and that's what we've got to beware of.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let's get to the behavior in the house.

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Speaker 2: Will take a break and come back and do that.

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Speaker 2: The back of the Huddle, Tim Wilson and Allie Jones. Right, Tim,

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Speaker 2: you were raising the behavior in parliament and possibly increasing

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Speaker 2: the punishment to stop these kinds of social media stunts again,

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Speaker 2: can you though.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look to your and your point is you can't

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Speaker 3: stop MP's being in there. But there's been recently this

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Speaker 3: fascinating innovation that prevents students at school from being distracted,

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Speaker 3: being lonely and performative. It's called a phone ban. Ban

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Speaker 3: the phones. They can't take the phones into the house.

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Speaker 3: You have to rely on Parliamentary TV. That's like CCTV.

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Speaker 3: There's no drama there. Don't you worry about that? Ban

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Speaker 3: the phones?

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Speaker 2: But Tim, they shared they shared official like so what

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Speaker 2: they shared was, as far as I could see, was

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Speaker 2: official video that had been taken by like the news

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Speaker 2: media or Parliamentary TV. So banning a phone is not

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Speaker 2: going to stop. It isn't as long as the video exists.

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Speaker 2: It's sharable.

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Speaker 3: That's that's true. But I have heard from from some

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Speaker 3: MPs that suddenly, you know, you see a cluster of

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Speaker 3: something's up. So I think maybe we need to control

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon, Alie? Can you actually punish mp

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Speaker 2: ever sufficiently to stop them from pulling stunts like this.

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Speaker 4: Not sufficiently, No, And I mean I see some of

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Speaker 4: this kind of behavior nowhere near like this, but I

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Speaker 4: see some of this at local government level as well.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I see it.

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Speaker 4: More in the public gallery. But you know, applauding people

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Speaker 4: when they speak and things like that is really distracting

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Speaker 4: But I'm really interested that David Seymour was calling this

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Speaker 4: stuff out, you know. I mean, do you remember badge Gate?

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Speaker 4: Do you remember the badge that.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, yeah, where they were wearing badges, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean that was should be something that a four

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Speaker 4: you know, if you and that was all done for

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Speaker 4: the coverage as well, the act badge and the taking

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Speaker 4: photographs and in the house, so you know, I think

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Speaker 4: this is a bit of people in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones.

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Speaker 4: But I did hear your piece earlier hither and I

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Speaker 4: completely agree with you. I actually don't have a problem

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Speaker 4: with the harka in Parliament. I think that this shows passion.

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Speaker 4: I think it shows someone represents the representing their constituency.

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Speaker 4: There was no violence, there was no swearing, there was

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Speaker 4: you know, I actually don't have a problem.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let me put Let me put this to you.

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Speaker 2: Let me put this to you. Hypothetical future situation. We

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Speaker 2: have a party that's elected to Parliament who are anti trans.

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Speaker 2: We're debating a trans bill and a trans MP is

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Speaker 2: of the trans person. You're gonna be okay with that.

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Speaker 2: To intimidate them, you gotta flip it. You got to

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Speaker 2: flip it around, allie, and you have to look you

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Speaker 2: everybody looks at David Seymour and they think, oh, he's

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Speaker 2: a tough guy, he can handle a bunch of Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he can handle because he's he's he looks like a

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Speaker 4: That argument, but if you flip it around, because you

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Speaker 4: what you only let people who have got really thick

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Speaker 2: No, no, I don't think you understanding what I'm say.

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Speaker 2: What I'm saying is if you're okay, if it's good

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Speaker 2: ask if it's a vulnerable person in a vulnerable situation

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Speaker 2: standing there, are you still okay with the same behavior.

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Speaker 4: So is the person speaking in parliament and MP or not? Yes, okay,

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Speaker 4: Well my comment stands you've got to have a thick

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Speaker 4: your example of a trans person I think is inflammatory,

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Speaker 4: but I know why you're doing it, and I just

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Speaker 4: think that they.

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Speaker 2: Are amongst the most vulnerable people in this in society, and.

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Speaker 3: I do think and I've got to say I do

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Speaker 3: think many many MPs that I talk to. The atmosphere

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Speaker 3: often sounds corrosive and I don't know if it actually

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Speaker 3: adds to our I guess, our ability to bring in

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Speaker 3: vulnerable people because all you have is a bunch of

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Speaker 3: thick skin bullies juking it out. I agree in the

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Speaker 3: contest of ideas, but how we do it really matters.

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Speaker 3: And if the guardrails protect the powerful, then when the

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Speaker 3: week become powerful, they'll also protet the week.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it agrees, though it's degrees. I'm not suggesting that

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Speaker 4: you're going to have thick skin bullies in there that

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Speaker 4: take jaw out of you know, hurting and bullying other people.

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Speaker 4: But I'm also suggesting that I think what source for

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Speaker 4: the goose is the source of the gander. What are

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Speaker 4: we going to do next band the Hucker and Rugby

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Speaker 4: because it's too intimidating for the other.

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Speaker 3: Teams, Let's enforce. Let's enforce hugging a member of the

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Speaker 3: opposition so they have to hug each other and they

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Speaker 3: won't like it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Ali, I mean, you do understand we're

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Speaker 2: not banning the hacker from Parliament. It already is in

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Speaker 2: the way that it was used there was contrary to

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Speaker 2: the rules.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, but I think it's the.

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Speaker 2: Same as Julia and Jenter going and shouting in somebody's face. Like,

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Speaker 2: if you think it's okay to hucker and the floor

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Speaker 2: of Parliament, then then by extension, it's okay for Julia

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Speaker 2: to cross the floor and go yell at somebody, because

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Speaker 2: that's literally the same thing according to Parliament.

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Speaker 3: I feel like we're getting up on Ellie. I feel

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Speaker 3: like we're getting up. Also, it was no Also, it

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Speaker 3: was not just some spontaneous outpouring. It was absolutely stage managed,

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Speaker 3: and it was to shut someone down. In Parliament shouldn't

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Speaker 3: be a place where you shut people down. You should

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Speaker 3: be able to contend.

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Speaker 4: Let the voters decide next time. I still don't really

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Speaker 4: have a problem with it. No one was hurt. It's

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Speaker 4: showing passion and it's showing commitment to an issue. I

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Speaker 4: think it does show a degree of disrespect if you're

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Speaker 4: using the example of shouting and jilly and gender or

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Speaker 4: jilly and gender shouting in someone's face.

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Speaker 2: But let the voters decide. All right, guys, listen, Thank you,

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Speaker 2: sorry Ali for ganging up on you. Thank you Tim

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Speaker 2: for calling us out on that. It's not how we

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Speaker 2: roll here. Allie Jones re jested us, what are we talking?

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Speaker 2: I'm just joking, Allie Jones. Read pr Tim Wilson Maxim Institute.

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