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Speaker 2: Rugby Direct back for another week. That is test week

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Speaker 2: for the All Blacks once again, and we are recording

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Speaker 2: Liam and Apre welcome into you. A couple of hours

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Speaker 2: after the All Blacks have named their team to play

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Speaker 2: Japan in Yokohama on Saturday afternoon New Zealand time or

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Speaker 2: Saturday evening New Zealand time, and early in the week

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Speaker 2: as well. So one surprise is the team was named

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Speaker 2: so early. Another surprise Pranctice being some of the selections

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Speaker 2: in the team has things and your reaction to the team.

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Speaker 3: Plus I come to Elliott's son, Hajimimus Matashiwa, Liam dess.

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Speaker 3: I hope you've settled into your Tokyo digs and had

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Speaker 3: some raman and maybe a bit of saki later.

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Speaker 4: It's to help you drift off to sleep.

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Speaker 5: But look first, off on the tour on a five

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Speaker 5: match score for the All Blacks and you'd expect them

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Speaker 5: to do it reasonably comfortably.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, there's plenty of talking points in this team.

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Speaker 5: I think largely expected in that it was always going

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Speaker 5: to be a second string team, wasn't it, with an

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Speaker 5: advanced party going to London for next week's Test against

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Speaker 5: England at Twickenham, But perhaps more experience than what you

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Speaker 5: would have thought, with guys like Sam Kane going starting

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Speaker 5: and Patrick two blow to captain. So it's not a

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Speaker 5: baby Black's team, is it.

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Speaker 2: No, it certainly isn't a lot of experience in that team,

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Speaker 2: alongside some players that clearly haven't had opportunities this year

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Speaker 2: or for one reason or another injuries or falling out

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Speaker 2: of favors, and a Penny Feene now falls into that category.

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Speaker 2: Cam Roy Garden and sim Perfetta have obviously battled injuries

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Speaker 2: this year as well and have been shorter on opportunities

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Speaker 2: in the Black jersey, and some like Billy Proctor who

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Speaker 2: impressed in that game against England, against Fiji and San

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Speaker 2: Diego but hasn't had an opportunity since it's a chance

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Speaker 2: for I guess players to put their best foot forward,

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Speaker 2: knowing that you know, perhaps they sit on the outside

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Speaker 2: of the first team at the moment, but just to

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Speaker 2: keep themselves on the selectors minds and in front of

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Speaker 2: the and someone like a Penny Fee Now, I don't

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Speaker 2: think necessarily put too much of a foot wrong. Earlier

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Speaker 2: in the season, perhaps wasn't necessarily what they were after

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Speaker 2: and didn't have the impact that he wanted. But this

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Speaker 2: still there and ensure what he can do.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think as he's against you as a big opportunity,

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Speaker 5: isn't it. Without wanting to be just suspectful to Japan,

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Speaker 5: They've obviously never been the All Blacks.

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Speaker 4: They did push them very close in Tokyo.

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Speaker 5: I think it was last time out when Brodie Retallick

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Speaker 5: massive pressure. And so maybe that's in the back of

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Speaker 5: at which will shock you. Guys like Cam Royguard coming

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Speaker 5: set to make their debuts off the bench. You mentioned

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Speaker 5: Billy Procter there not cited in the Rugby Championship, and

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Speaker 5: that was a real missed opportunity, I think, And as

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Speaker 5: I'm also reading into what it means for next week.

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Speaker 5: I think sever Reice and Mark Tala probably contesting one

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Speaker 4: You would.

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Speaker 5: I'm very happy to see Wallace to Tsi get his

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Speaker 5: aren't they in the loose forward department with Dalton, Papa Lee,

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Speaker 2: No? I think it's the way I'm reading it as well.

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Speaker 2: It wouldn't surprise me to see mckenzy maybe start against

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it does indeed, and I think There's a number

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Speaker 5: I think the All Blacks attack looked its best in

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Speaker 5: It allows Will Jordan to play fullback. He's not in

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Speaker 4: I just it's a calming presence, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: Boden, he didn't he wasn't sensational, he wasn't sublime, but

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Speaker 5: the things he did he did largely with authority, with calmness.

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Speaker 5: And I think Scott Robinson is a massive fan of

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Speaker 5: fan of Boden as well. And Jordie who isn't in

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Speaker 5: I think you're right that Boden has usurped Mackenzie in

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Speaker 5: Fetter it's another go at fullback. He hasn't played for

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Speaker 5: the All Blacks since that England series, so an opportunity

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Speaker 5: for him. But in general, you could go through this

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Speaker 5: team and say you could pretty much pick the England

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Speaker 5: starting team with you know we're shooting one week your

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Speaker 5: So there are a few contestable areas, but by and large,

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Speaker 5: I think you're right that the All Blacks have revealed

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Speaker 2: You didn't get a chance to ask about Jordi today

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Speaker 2: find out some details, but suspected to be one of

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Speaker 2: I did just want to mention August as well. In

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Speaker 2: a lot too female SITSI. It's a huge pack that

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Speaker 2: the All Blacks have named this week, I think got

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Speaker 2: Japan this week and how they want to play against

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's interesting, isn't it?

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Speaker 5: And it is interesting because from what I can see

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Speaker 5: from afar anyway, it looks extremely hot and humid, So

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Speaker 5: naming a big pack that will test them aerobically, you know,

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Speaker 4: What is your expectation for Japan?

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Speaker 5: I know in their last match of the Pacific Nations

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Speaker 5: your expectation for how competitive Japan are? Do you give

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Speaker 2: To note it really is, you know Fiji what them

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Speaker 2: that game in the Pacific Nations Cup. I thought they

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Speaker 2: So I think they're relatively shaky and up and down

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Speaker 2: we've seen quite yet how they're going to build towards

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven. And it's certainly what E Jones is

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Speaker 2: Jones loves playing the All Blacks, and we'll find it

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Speaker 2: a style to try and contest them. But I just

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Speaker 2: don't see this Japanese team. He's tried a few players

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Speaker 2: on that afternoon in Tokyo. I just don't see that

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Speaker 4: No, I think you're right.

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Speaker 5: I think there's a case to be made that Japan

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Speaker 5: has gone backwards under Eddie Jones.

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Speaker 4: And you know he's talking about a new era.

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Speaker 5: He's very good at talking, but we need to see

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Speaker 5: some stuff, some substance with that. I think there'll be

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Speaker 5: seventy old thousand people there this weekend, so it'll be

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Speaker 5: a great atmosphere. The All Blacks are hugely popular in Japan,

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Speaker 5: aren't now your picture of the large media contingents, and

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Speaker 5: they certainly their popularity has grown with the players going

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Speaker 5: So it'll be a great occasion. But I don't think

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Speaker 5: Japan realistically should push this all black team. It's you

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Speaker 5: And as you mentioned that big, they're strong, the fast,

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Speaker 5: The style of rugby that they're trying to play will

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Speaker 5: really test Japan. I just want to touch people. Throw

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Speaker 5: one question at you here in terms of the loose forwards.

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Speaker 5: How contestable is that? And we've seen and Wallace at

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Speaker 5: TC in particular as the wild card. Here is he

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Speaker 5: playing for the number eight position for the remainder of

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Speaker 5: the tour? Or will Alardi come back in because we

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Speaker 5: spoke before about the lack of fit loose forwards. But

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Speaker 5: Wallace could potentially stay at eight, You could put Arty

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Speaker 2: Indeed, just on that loose spoord tree, I think they're

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Speaker 4: But what a future that kid has.

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Speaker 2: You know. I think Wellington and Bay of Plenty deserving

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Speaker 4: Very much so. And it will be a magnificent final.

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Speaker 5: I think it's Bay Plenty's first big dance and Mark

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Speaker 2: Just adding another string to his blog plates Bowie, you

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Speaker 5: Willis Hola Hollow, former Welsh International Super Rugby champion with

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Speaker 2: for the Black fans as they try and emerge out

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Speaker 2: of there, especially as top seed. You know, the draw

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Speaker 2: gods haven't been too favorable to the Black funds.

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Speaker 5: No Ireland is something of the new giant killers of

437
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Speaker 5: the women's game out't they tipped up the Black fans

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Speaker 5: for the first time. And the w x V tournaments

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Speaker 5: and as you say, I think it's the top two

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Speaker 5: teams go through from the pool, but you don't want

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Speaker 5: to be finishing second and confronting England and the and

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Speaker 5: the knockouts straight off the bats. So very tricky pool

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Speaker 5: and as we touched on I think last week there's

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Speaker 5: a lot of work in front of the black ferns

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Speaker 5: over the next ten months to get ready for that

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Speaker 5: World Cup.

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Speaker 4: Defense certainly is right.

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Speaker 2: We'll take a break here and Ruki's are rigged with

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Speaker 2: our friends at Fourkliff Solutions. Back with the second half

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Speaker 2: of the podcast after this.

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Speaker 1: This is Rugby Direct, a podcast for real rugby fans.

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Speaker 2: Every try drive had sixty second, every tackle tack, tackles,

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Speaker 2: get up again, every well take you before times. It's

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Speaker 2: Rugby Direct. Ladies tal back with Rugby Direct time out

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Speaker 2: for the final four to four Rugby topics that Lee

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Speaker 2: and I chew over from the last seven days in

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Speaker 2: the world of Rugby. Topic number one. This is a

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Speaker 2: surprise logging on this want of checking the emails and

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Speaker 2: saying this Craig Fenton out as the boss of New

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Speaker 2: Zealand Rugby Commercials. Liam. Your reaction, I know you've been

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Speaker 2: on the story today. What's behind and what does it mean?

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Speaker 5: Was a surprise and also big news. I guess the

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Speaker 5: context for our listeners here. New Zealand Rugby Commercial Co.

464
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Speaker 5: Is a separate entity that was set up following the

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Speaker 5: private equity deal with US fund manager Silver Lake, basically

466
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Speaker 5: to manage all of New Zealand rugby's income and revenue

467
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Speaker 5: and to drive funding for the game. So an incredibly

468
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Speaker 5: important role, one of the most important in New Zealand rugby.

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Speaker 5: Crag Fenton was hired late last year. He's only been

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Speaker 5: in the gig nine months. He came with much fanfare,

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Speaker 5: had twenty five years experience overseas.

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Speaker 4: Worked for Google and had done the media rounds.

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Speaker 5: Recently, from what I gather, Elliott, it's really deteriorated over

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Speaker 5: the past. The riding's been on the wall for the

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Speaker 5: last month. Craig Fenton had a number of falling out

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Speaker 5: with senior New Zealand Rugby executives and now he's gone.

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Speaker 5: I think they apparently. I had heard that they called

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Speaker 5: in consultants to try and work through things and couldn't

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Speaker 5: couldn't do that. So a very big replacement, very big void,

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Speaker 5: and a very important appointment to make because this comes

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Speaker 5: at a time when New z ond Ruby needs to

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Speaker 5: renegotiate their broadcast deal with Sky and Craig Fencin would

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Speaker 5: have been a big part of that. And as you

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Speaker 5: know that that broadcast steel likely to suffer a reduction

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Speaker 5: on the one hundred million that's a bumper deal that

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Speaker 5: they had with Sky Television previously. So yeah, very precarious

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Speaker 5: sort of position that news on a rega now finds

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Speaker 5: himself in.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, and I think it's fair to say that INNS

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Speaker 2: r C hasn't quite you know, had its straps in

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Speaker 2: terms of what they wanted from it in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Ended r plus has been on the in the market

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Speaker 2: for about a year now. They've had some content and

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Speaker 2: they pulled away from that a little bit, went to

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Speaker 2: YouTube to distribute some of that, which is a model

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Speaker 2: in itself and you can get advertising revenue there of

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Speaker 2: course as well, but that marked a little bit of

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Speaker 2: a change from the initial viewing. It just feels like,

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Speaker 2: you know, they haven't quite figured out where they want

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Speaker 2: to go with trying to monetize and build on the

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Speaker 2: Silver Lake investments. I know that it's released, were trumpeting

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Speaker 2: about ends in r plus and the number of views

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Speaker 2: it had, but I just it hasn't really cemented itself,

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Speaker 2: I don't think in the market. And so there's some

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Speaker 2: big questions for whoever replaces Craig fen Tin where they

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Speaker 2: come on early part of next.

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Speaker 4: Year sure as yeah, and.

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Speaker 5: A big job isn't it, because that broadcast there will

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Speaker 5: basically make or break the game here. You know, you've

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Speaker 5: got so many mouths to feed, from the NPC provinces

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Speaker 5: to Super Rugby to the players. And there's a new

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Speaker 5: collective employment agreement with the players, there's a new funding

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Speaker 5: arrangement with the provinces to agree all coming to a

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Speaker 5: head in the next sort of year or so. So

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Speaker 5: if that pop does reduce, you're going to have a

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Speaker 5: lot of frustrated and people crying out for funds.

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Speaker 2: Indeed's topic two in the final four listenings are breaking

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Speaker 2: a few hours ago that SEVENS has been x from

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Speaker 2: the renewed peer back what if you want to call

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Speaker 2: it Commonwealth Games in Glasgow in twenty twenty six. This

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Speaker 2: is a real blow for rugby. SEVENS for mine, it

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Speaker 2: kind of was a bridge between the Olympics and World

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Speaker 2: Cup level. But you know, not much they can really

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Speaker 2: do about it from what I understand. No, and.

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Speaker 4: It's an interesting scenario, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: Altt Because if you broadened this conversation out, SEVENS is

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Speaker 5: a bit of a crossroads. It's struggling on the World

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Speaker 5: Series since World Rugby took it over losing a lot

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Speaker 5: of money. The World Cup of Sevens is a bit

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Speaker 5: of a non event. The pinnacle event now, of course,

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Speaker 5: is the Olympics that used to be the Commonwealth Games.

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Speaker 5: If you think historically, you go back to the early

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Speaker 5: nineties and some of the men's seems that news and sense,

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Speaker 5: you know that the biggest names in the sport, even

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Speaker 5: in more recent times guys like Ben Smith and Manu

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Speaker 5: and Liam Messim and Sonny Ball Williams going to the

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Speaker 5: sevens to try and you know, chase metals and the

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Speaker 5: women's of course have been the standard bearers across the board.

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Speaker 5: So from an athlete perspective, it is a major blow.

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Speaker 5: Just I'll run through the sports there are in the

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Speaker 5: Commonwealth Games this year and it's a very small, pearedback

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Speaker 5: event after Glasgow picked it up following Melbourne saying we

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Speaker 5: can't afford it, we don't want it. So there's athletics, swimming,

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Speaker 5: artistic gymnastics, track, cycling, netball, weightlifting, boxing, judo, bowls and

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Speaker 5: three on three basketball, so very small, but sevens does

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Speaker 5: not make the cut.

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Speaker 2: With all your respected judo, I'm not sure how that

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Speaker 2: is in the month game sports, three on three basketball,

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Speaker 2: don't know that's a common Wealth sport. I mean, clearly

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Speaker 2: they're doing it to pay back to the numbers I

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Speaker 2: would guess in the athletes Diligi or whatever it is

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Speaker 2: numbers on site, because some of those simply aren't common

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Speaker 2: Wealth sports and it's probably time to wind up the

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Speaker 2: common Wealth Games. Great that guys goes come in to

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Speaker 2: stave it, but if you're going to take out sevens

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Speaker 2: and also hockey, you know, which is an traditional Commonwealth

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Speaker 2: game sport, you know, nipples managed to survive the Cup

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Speaker 2: squash isn't there. So I just it seems more about

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Speaker 2: trying to make it cost effective than actually a good

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Speaker 2: sporting product. I agree sevens at a crossroads, and I

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Speaker 2: think one of the big issues is that its glow strotting,

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Speaker 2: and that's one of its you know, great strengths to

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Speaker 2: an extent, but it also means that you know players

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Speaker 2: just you know, you're not in the right time zone

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Speaker 2: for New Zealand. You know, the likes of Mikaela Blythe

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Speaker 2: and all those players from the New Zealand seven Sin

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Speaker 2: Sierrah Henny and Georgia Miller and whoever else, Rissi Poli,

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Speaker 2: all those players are virgin on household names, but they're

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Speaker 2: being seen because they play in largely European or American

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Speaker 2: time zones that are unfriendly to New Zealand. There's no

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Speaker 2: tournament in New Zealand anymore. This goes to the men

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Speaker 2: as well, So I just think that, you know, perhaps

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Speaker 2: it needs to be centralized and cut back a little

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Speaker 2: bit more or made to being more friendly time zones

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Speaker 2: as soon as that World seven circuit, because otherwise it's

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Speaker 2: just it's going to really struggle to continue, I think.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's an interesting topic. Topic number three as

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Speaker 2: wouldn't Boss signs with the Blues? Good pick up for

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Speaker 2: the Blues for super Rugi or Picky is it?

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Speaker 5: What one of the greatest women's rugby players in history.

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Speaker 5: She's thirty three and her father played till fifty five

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Speaker 5: and she reckons she'll give that a crack as well,

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Speaker 5: but yeah, good, great pickup. She's going to Japan for

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Speaker 5: three months and then coming back, so a real boost

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Speaker 5: for Super Ruby Alpaki for some foremost to have Porscha

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Speaker 5: coming back, and the motivation for that was to play

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Speaker 5: with her niece at the Blue.

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Speaker 4: She lives in Bay Plenty.

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Speaker 5: She's played previously for Chief's Manoi, so switching allegiance. But

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Speaker 5: she is a northern Northern woman, proud and very excited

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Speaker 5: about this sort of homecoming. Interesting to see where she plays,

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Speaker 5: you know, joked about a potential positional switch to open

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Speaker 5: side flanker. But with her niece being a winger and

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Speaker 5: via Coolo being there as well, superstar of the of

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Speaker 5: the Black Ferns, you know, who knows where we might

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Speaker 5: see Porscha pop up next season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very exciting. Yeah, maybe she could go again to

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Speaker 2: the World Cup with the fifteens in a different spot.

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Speaker 2: That could be a possibility. And topic number four, how

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Speaker 2: many of these five tests are the end of the

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Speaker 2: year tour will be all Blacks win liam out of five?

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Speaker 2: How many are they?

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Speaker 5: Well, they will beat Japan, they will beat England, they

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Speaker 5: will lose to Ireland, they will beat Italy.

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Speaker 4: And they will beat France.

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Speaker 2: There you go, so you reckon they win four or five.

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Speaker 5: That's very that's very optimistic now think about it. But yeah,

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Speaker 5: I'm going to back them to do that very tough tour.

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Speaker 5: I can see them potentially losing to France as well,

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Speaker 5: but I think they get over England at twicken them,

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Speaker 5: but I can't see them get past Island.

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Speaker 2: I think they might lose to France, but get past Ireland,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Something just tells me that they might

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Speaker 2: be up for that game again against the Irish. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's such a tough schedules in the England, Island, France

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Speaker 2: back to back to back in three weeks. It really

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Speaker 2: is difficult. I am going to go that they win

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Speaker 2: four or five as well, but I'm just going to

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Speaker 2: say that they lose to France after beating England and Ireland.

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Speaker 2: So if they went for a five, that's a pretty

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Speaker 2: good return.

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Speaker 4: That's a great return.

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Speaker 5: I think given that schedule, those three big tests in

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Speaker 5: fifteen days, Island did them no favors. By She's dealing

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Speaker 5: that on a Friday night in Dublin, six days after England.

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Speaker 5: So that's a brutal turnaround and there will be injuries,

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Speaker 5: they'll have to change their squads. So we're really going

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Speaker 5: to find out where this all black team is that they.

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Speaker 2: Sent me are well, we'll find out where they're at

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Speaker 2: after a big testing Instjapan in Yokohama on Saturday afternoon

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Speaker 2: local time ten to seven is ze on time log

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Speaker 2: on and you still send big old Sporttheart Radio all

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Speaker 2: the build up and reaction on insi hero dot co

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Speaker 2: lot Insied as well with Ligam. We will touch base

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Speaker 2: again from London next week and yourself for a good week,

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Speaker 2: lad and I'll try to keep off the family checking

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Speaker 2: on over here.

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