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Speaker 1: On the huddle of tonight Mike Munroe, former chief of

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Speaker 1: staff to just Sinda, Mike, good evening to.

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Speaker 2: You, good Ryan, how are you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Good, thank you? And Marris Williamson's here Auckland councilor former

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Speaker 1: National Party minister of course.

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Speaker 3: Marris good evening, good evening.

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Speaker 1: The school lunch program, Mike, I'll be interested to hear

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Speaker 1: your take on this, like politically is it is it

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Speaker 1: death by a thousand cuts or are there enough New

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Speaker 1: Zealanders who think this program is a raught anyway? And

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Speaker 1: not every kid needs the lunch, the free lunch that

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Speaker 1: they're getting.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't agree with what your letter comment. Look,

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Speaker 2: this is this is turning into a shambles and a

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Speaker 2: real political time time bomb, I should say for lux

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Speaker 2: And I mean today we had another day, another disaster

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Speaker 2: with this company sort of going into liquidation. You've got

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Speaker 2: to remember that this is one of those sort of

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Speaker 2: Middle New Zealand issues and it's threatening, threatening right now

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Speaker 2: to engulf Luxon and his government. You've got struggling families

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Speaker 2: from all over the country who rely on this program.

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Speaker 2: Now they send their kids off to school without lunchbox

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Speaker 2: out because their belief is that the school's going to

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Speaker 2: provide a lunch and not happening as regularly and as

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Speaker 2: reliably as it should be. So Luxin's got to get

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Speaker 2: his two minutesters together. The three educations has bang their

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Speaker 1: Morris, do you agree with that? Do you think it's

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Speaker 1: it's permeating his popularity and what's left of it.

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Speaker 4: I think it's an absolute total disaster. But what I

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Speaker 4: don't get, I really just don't understand it. I grew

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Speaker 4: up in a rural community with a lot of poor

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Speaker 4: people and so on. Everybody got lunches in some way,

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Speaker 4: with some form somehow, and the parents did it. They

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Speaker 4: for about half of the number of days in a year.

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Speaker 4: So what do they eat with us six weeks of

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Speaker 4: those days? My view is this has just become such

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Speaker 4: a political football that people have got to be fed

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Speaker 4: by the government or they won't get fed at all.

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Speaker 4: That didn't happened right through the depression, didn't happen right

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Speaker 4: through the forties, fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties. So why is

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Speaker 4: it now we've made this dependent generation that if you

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Speaker 4: don't get the meal provided by the government, then you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and also if you don't eat the meal, then

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Speaker 1: you can't be hungry.

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Speaker 2: Mike, Now, well that's right. In fact, I can remember,

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Speaker 2: you know, the experiences was my own children game to

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Speaker 2: school and lunch is coming home untouched, and you still

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Speaker 2: wonder how they get through the day energy wise. But

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Speaker 2: the fact is, you know, kids do need to eat,

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Speaker 2: and most kids will eat. And there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: people out there right now struggling with all sorts of

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Speaker 2: provide a reliable lunch service themselves for their kids. You

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Speaker 2: know that the state has stepped in to provide the service,

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Speaker 2: and the states steps in to do it, they should

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Speaker 2: at least do it properly.

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Speaker 1: All right, I.

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Speaker 4: Agree with the second part. I think of state does

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Speaker 4: step under do it. I just think there are other

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Speaker 4: ways of If people are desperately short of money, then

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Speaker 4: there should be a welfare of benefit payment or something.

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Speaker 4: But there are a hell of And I don't like

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Speaker 4: saying this, but I'll tell you right now. The whole

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Speaker 4: lot of parents who won't get off their ass and

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Speaker 4: butter some bread and stick something nutritional in a little

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Speaker 4: else is going to do it for me. And I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: I just think that we've become so reliant on the

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Speaker 4: bloody State for so many things.

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Speaker 3: On getting sick of.

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Speaker 1: It, Maurics Williamson and Mike Munro here on the Huddle tonight.

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Speaker 1: Mike Munroe and Marris Williamson on the Huddle tonight. Now,

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Speaker 1: the Commerce Commission is taking Hello Fresh to court this

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Speaker 1: overclaims that it basically roped in people who had stopped

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Speaker 1: their subscriptions to Hello Fresh and they do food and

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Speaker 1: all sorts of groceries stop them. They then called them

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Speaker 1: out of the blue and said, oh, here's a deal

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Speaker 1: for you, And people didn't realize that taking that deal

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Speaker 1: meant that it would reactivate their subscription and they're locked

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Speaker 1: into the CycL again. You know, it's just hard to

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Speaker 1: shake it free. Mike, have you had any problems getting

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Speaker 1: out of a subscribe that you've signed up to?

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Speaker 3: Yes? I have.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise I've you know, often taken a long time to

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Speaker 2: complete the process to get out of it, and it shouldn't.

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Speaker 2: It shouldn't take a long time. It should be simple.

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Speaker 2: There should be young one or two buttons to press

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Speaker 2: and then then push submits. Look, I'm just pleased to

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Speaker 2: see the Commerce Commission taking some action here. They've been

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Speaker 2: doing a lot of tut tutting and sticking statements on

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Speaker 2: their website. Well that's not good enough. It's about time

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Speaker 2: they took someone to court. And so look, I say,

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Speaker 2: all power to their arm in this case with Hello Fresh.

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Speaker 2: It's just it's the sneakiness of it that the tactics

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Speaker 2: you know, the example you used to get people signed

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Speaker 2: up again when they've got no idea they're signing up.

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Speaker 2: Where New Zealand's been dragging the chain on this for

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Speaker 2: a long time, other countries have taken steps to tidy

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Speaker 2: it up, and it's about time we did as well.

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Speaker 2: And maybe this Commerce Commission actually against Hello Fresh will

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Speaker 2: sort of you know, be the start of good things

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Speaker 2: to come in that regard.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it annoys the hell out of me, this stuff, Corus.

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Speaker 1: It really gets the belly is the fire in my

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Speaker 3: How about you?

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Speaker 4: I tell you what I've had an idea for develop

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Speaker 4: the best app going. If someone wants to be in

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Speaker 4: the app development community to go out that you run

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Speaker 4: it in the background. It monitors all of your subscriptions.

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Speaker 4: It alerts you if you haven't been using one for

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Speaker 4: two to three months. Because I found a suit. I

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Speaker 4: had an Amazon Prime. I turned up, my wife had

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Speaker 4: an Amazon Prime, and my son had an Amazon Prime,

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Speaker 4: paying so much for months to have it. We could

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Speaker 4: have done it all in the one account. An app

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Speaker 4: that monitored your things said, look, you haven't used his

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Speaker 4: account for three months? Do you want it to go?

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Speaker 4: It sent all of the necessaries and closed it off.

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Speaker 4: I reckon that app would be just the most valuable

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Popular, Yeah, it would be certainly would be. I mean

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Speaker 1: you should be able to do it in one click.

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Speaker 1: That's what the what the consumer said says, And I think,

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Speaker 4: Don't even remember you've got you know, there are all

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Speaker 4: these movie services. And we signed up to tennis because

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Speaker 4: tennis has got a fantastic website. You watched a few

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Speaker 3: Bloody hell, have I been paying that for the rest

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Speaker 4: I didn't you just you know something that told you

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Speaker 4: you had that, or you stupidly enough agreed to a trial.

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Speaker 4: You trial something, and of course the trial immediately clicks

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Speaker 4: into full time if you didn't do anything about it.

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Speaker 4: It's not so much the sneaky stuff. I'm okay with

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Speaker 4: killing that off. I would just love to know everything

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Speaker 4: that's going on that I'm not using and that I'm

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Speaker 1: Mike, We've got Brock van Velden on the show after

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Speaker 1: six tonight. Should online gambling providers have to put some

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Speaker 1: of their profits towards the local community and local community groups?

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Speaker 1: Because Brook van Velden says no.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I'm really stunned by this one. I can't

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Speaker 2: I can't work out why they why they wouldn't. I

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Speaker 2: mean all all the sort of local pokes and companies

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Speaker 2: that operate machines and pubs, et cetera, that are required

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Speaker 2: to distribute about forty percent. I think it is of

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Speaker 2: their revenue, and I can't see why it wouldn't also

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Speaker 2: apply to online gathering gambling, I should say, because you know,

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Speaker 2: rather than give them money to to communities, to sports clubs,

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Speaker 2: all this coins going off to oversea shareholders. So I

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Speaker 2: just don't know why you wouldn't bring it into line

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Speaker 2: with gambling elsewhere Morris.

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Speaker 4: She's got a reasonably good point, though. She's sort of

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Speaker 4: worried that you start creating enormous dependency for various sort

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Speaker 4: I mean, we are just being bombarded with gambling ads now.

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Speaker 4: and I would have thought, that's just nothing but a

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Speaker 4: a drain on poor people who can't even pay for

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Speaker 3: So I don't get this gambling stuff. I get it

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Speaker 2: I get there's good public health reasons for it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but the thing is, it's not that they're stopping it, Morris.

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Speaker 1: So if it's going to happen, then surely you would

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Speaker 1: prefer that the profits of it go towards something decent.

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Speaker 3: At least you know, well, okay, I'm in two much

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Speaker 4: I actually think you're going to create dependency on social

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Speaker 4: then one day if that particular gambling operation falls over

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Speaker 4: and goes belly up, there'll be a yelling and screaming, well,

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Speaker 4: what are we going to do? We've lost all our

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, fair enough. Heyes, your app idea is taking

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Speaker 1: off with the listeners, Morris, someone says, what is the

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Speaker 1: app that Morris mentioned?

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Speaker 3: Writing it as we speak?

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Speaker 1: But then actually someone else, John has text and to say, Morris,

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Speaker 1: there's already an app that does this. It's called rocket

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Speaker 1: money or go to rocketmoney dot com. Apparently that's either

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Speaker 1: a very good scam and we're about to all get scammed,

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Speaker 1: or it's a app. Thank you very much for coming on, guys.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you both. Mike Monroe, former chief of

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Speaker 1: staff to j Cinda a Journ and Morris Williamson Auckland counselor.

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