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Speaker 1: It's been forty years since the French sunk the Rainbow Warrior.

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Speaker 1: They wanted to stop the protests against nuclear testing and

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Speaker 1: Murouroa and the terrorist attack by our friends on our

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Speaker 1: soil was outrageous, and it feels as outrageous today as

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it did then. Two years after the event,

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Speaker 1: we cement our nuclear free stans. We're officially against nuclear weapons,

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Speaker 1: the testing of them, the manufacturer of them. Testing, of

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Speaker 1: course is bad for the environment. But let me ask

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Speaker 1: your question. Since Roshima and Nagasaki, have we had another

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Speaker 1: World War? The answer is no. We've had decades, of

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Speaker 1: course of Cold war between Russia and the West. We've

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Speaker 1: had plenty of conflict Africa, Eastern Europe, the Middle East,

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Speaker 1: but nothing's escalated quite in the way it did in

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Speaker 1: World Wars one and two. And I think you've got

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Speaker 1: to ask yourself, why did we collectively realize the bloody

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Speaker 1: cost of far away battles and drawing our friends into conflict.

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Speaker 1: Did we wake up after the second round and think, oh,

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Speaker 1: World Wars aren't that great? Or did we witness the

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Speaker 1: power of atomic weapons in Japan and scare ourselves silly?

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Speaker 1: The theory of nuclear deterrence basically says that, yes, nukes

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Speaker 1: are evil inventions, but their existence deters your enemies from

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Speaker 1: attacking you for fear that you'll hit back with a

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Speaker 1: nuke mutually assured destruction. It's like school yard bullies. You

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Speaker 1: don't pick on a guy who's got a bunch of

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Speaker 1: older brothers who could come and beat you up. The

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Speaker 1: threat of getting totally annihilated deters you from picking on

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Speaker 1: somebody with nuclear weapons or messing with their friends. So, yes,

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Speaker 1: nukes are bad, but does anybody think without them we'd

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Speaker 1: have gone eighty years without another major world war. For

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