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Speaker 1: Alan A Tamariki. They have still not fixed systems that

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Speaker 1: led to privacy breaches so serious that in at least

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Speaker 1: one case, a breach led to a woman being physically abused.

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Speaker 1: A recently made public review of OT's approach to privacy

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Speaker 1: found the organization has just been too casual with sensitive data.

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Speaker 1: In one case, there was a social worker who gave

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Speaker 1: the address of a child and their mother to the

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Speaker 1: child's father. The father was on bail at the time,

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Speaker 1: and he was on bail for rape charges. He should

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Speaker 1: never know that stuff. Jackie Soalthy is with the Child

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Speaker 1: Rights advocacy and research director it saved the children and

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Speaker 1: joins you now good mording to dear Jackie Andrew, why

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Speaker 1: can't this agency ever get it together?

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Speaker 2: Well, the privacy breaches that you've described are incredibly serious

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Speaker 2: and unacceptable by any measure, and we're very concerned that

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Speaker 2: there are continued examples and that the report that they

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Speaker 2: public does describe a plan that has been put together,

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Speaker 2: but we'd like to understand more about how that plan

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Speaker 2: is progressing and the way that it will support children

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Speaker 2: and filo to greater safety within the Au Tamabeti system.

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Speaker 2: The report shows that the breaches absolutely fail to uphold

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Speaker 2: children's rights to privacy and protection under the Convention of

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Speaker 2: the Rights of the Child, and unfortunately, children's privacy can

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Speaker 2: be seen as a secondary or secondary rights with the

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Speaker 2: discretion of adults, when in fact children are clearly accorded

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Speaker 2: their rights to privacy. They should be understood, respected and

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Speaker 2: ure held across the order in a tammidei system.

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Speaker 1: You say they have a plan, but they won't tell

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Speaker 1: us about the plan. Do they even want to? I mean,

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Speaker 1: this review was completed eleven months ago and the media

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Speaker 1: has been pestering for its release the whole time through

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Speaker 1: the Official Information Act. They to me just don't seem

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Speaker 1: to want to be accountable.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess it's a difficult situation where sensitive information

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Speaker 2: is being shared publicly. And one of the problems when

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Speaker 2: these sorts of issues and I guess misconduct or greatest

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Speaker 2: breaches come to light is it takes where public trust

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Speaker 2: in government agencies such as aug tamodiki. And this is

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Speaker 2: incredibly important because if the public don't have trust in

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Speaker 2: auto Tamidiki, there's a struggle to for it to work effectively,

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Speaker 2: and that is to receive complaints of concern and the

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Speaker 2: trust that they'll be acted on appropriately and that children

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Speaker 2: and fina will be protected in their system. So it's

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Speaker 2: really important. It cannot be underestimated how critical it is

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Speaker 2: that they step up and really communicate how what they're

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Speaker 2: doing to rectify these issues and make the changes we

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Speaker 2: want to see.

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Speaker 1: I wonder whether they've even got our trust at all.

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Speaker 1: I mean there's been review after review, there's been report

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Speaker 1: after report, there's been outrage after outrage, and you know,

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Speaker 1: changes and plans and we don't get to hear about it.

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Speaker 1: Do you think they'll ever get round to it.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's essential that they do because they are the

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Speaker 2: government agency that is tasked it's one of the most

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Speaker 2: critical areas, and child protection the most critical area in

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Speaker 2: child protection. They are absolutely tasked with upholding the safety,

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Speaker 2: the rights of protection, and the futures of children and

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Speaker 2: families in incredibly fragile and vulnerable situations. We need this

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Speaker 2: agency to do well, to function effectively and to protect

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Speaker 2: our children.

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Speaker 1: Jackie Salley, I thank you so much for your advocacy.

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Speaker 1: Jackie's from Save the Children and a child rights advocacy

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Speaker 1: and research director.

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