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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spence to find the real story

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Speaker 2: Let's get connected and news talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be four oh seven. Great to have your company

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Speaker 3: on this Tuesday afternoon. Coming up, John Bolton, this is

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Speaker 3: Trump's former national security advisor. He's with us after five

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Speaker 3: on this meeting between Trump and Posen on the phone

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Speaker 3: that will happen overnight tonight. The lawyer for the prisoner

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Speaker 3: who's on a hunger strike might have seen this in

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Speaker 3: the news. This afternoon, the players reacts to Rais's u

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Speaker 3: turn on playing an away game and as Judy free

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Speaker 3: a renter.

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Speaker 2: All ahead, Brian Bridge.

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Speaker 3: If you work for the government and other words, if

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Speaker 3: you work for us the taxpayer, then look out. Nikola

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Speaker 3: Willis is sharpening the knife. She's about to make some

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Speaker 3: pretty I think, pretty serious cuts in this coming budget.

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Speaker 3: I spoke to her last night on the show. Have

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Speaker 3: a listen if you want the interviews on the show

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Speaker 3: page or on the podcast. I actually don't know where

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Speaker 3: it is, but it will be somewhere. You'll find it.

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Speaker 3: Here is the gist. We borrowed a ton of money

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Speaker 3: during COVID. Our debt to GDP doubled. As anyone with

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Speaker 3: borrowed money must be paid back. We're now spending more

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Speaker 3: servicing debt than we do on primary and secondary schools,

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Speaker 3: and the Ministry of Justice combined Trump's trade war is

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Speaker 3: pushing up the cost of servicing that debt. Willis told

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Speaker 3: me this cost is going to increase in the budget.

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Speaker 3: It's chewing through cash like a beagle through a rubbish bin.

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Speaker 3: And I know I've got a beagle now. Willis's operating allowance,

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Speaker 3: that's the amount of new money that she has to

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Speaker 3: play with. That is wayfe thin to begin with. When

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Speaker 3: Grant Robertson was large and in charge charge, it was

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Speaker 3: a strict course of ozempic. There is not a lot

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Speaker 3: you can do with it, and the bills keep piling up.

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Speaker 3: Defense remember Judith Collins came on this program. She wants

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Speaker 3: to double the spending to ten billion dollars over time.

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Speaker 3: Some of that will be capex, but still kitching the

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Speaker 3: survivors of abuse in state care must be compensated. It's

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Speaker 3: the right thing to do. But again kitching. Willis also

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Speaker 3: mentions health kitching, education, kitchen police kitching. So you add

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Speaker 3: up all the kitchings, you get sick of saying it.

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Speaker 3: You add your debt servicing, and you're starting to think

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Speaker 3: about running out of the restaurant and leaving the tab

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Speaker 3: a levy. Right Well, Willis says no to that too.

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Speaker 3: Nothing made you coming, except for the charities. But that

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Speaker 3: won't light the world on fire, throwing the risk to

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Speaker 3: global growth and therefore our export earnings from Trump's trade war,

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Speaker 3: and then that could hit your tax take, and add

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Speaker 3: it all together, you're left with an unmistakable course of action.

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Speaker 2: Cuts cry and bridge.

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Speaker 3: Willis has been busy beavering away on a plan for

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Speaker 3: short term than you'll say, So none of that this

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Speaker 3: US taxpayers, then brace yourself. You're on the chopping bog

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Speaker 3: and Willis is coming your way. The apron's on and

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Speaker 3: to text chat it today that at Shortened Street there

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Speaker 3: the chopping block. This is at South Pacific Pictures, the

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Speaker 3: production company that produces Shortened Street TV and Z cut

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Speaker 3: on the show. What are you hearing about these job cuts?

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Speaker 5: Well, look I just heard you a monologue there about

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Speaker 3: People talk about the ratings, so apparently at a peak

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Speaker 2: There should be a place for soaps.

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Speaker 3: I say, this is about to start one, don't watch it?

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Speaker 3: ZBB News Talksb's just gone nineteen minutes after to forge,

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Speaker 3: there is some funny text coming in about Shortened Street.

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Speaker 3: the whole Ah, here we go. Shortened Street should be

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Speaker 3: of days. We're being told Shorten Street should be called

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Speaker 3: Shagg Street because of all the storylines revolving around people

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Speaker 3: sleeping with each other. And that's about it. The writers

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Speaker 3: thanks John, is that you obviously watch the show. You're

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Speaker 3: Now about this for an idea.

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Speaker 7: You can't publicly disagree with what we want to do

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Speaker 7: But they need to come together as a unit and

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Speaker 3: And say argument that he says on and there is nuance.

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Speaker 7: and agreetor Paul a steamed rugby rider for News Center

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Speaker 3: News Talk said, be after five, We're going to talk

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Speaker 3: to Ambassador John Bolton. This is Donald Trump's former national

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Speaker 3: Murray Old's out of Australia. But here is a statement

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Speaker 3: John Boldnoll met after five So finally this afternoon, the

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Speaker 3: You know what, I'm not even Let's wait and see

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Speaker 3: How's that?

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Speaker 1: Twenty to five International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance,

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Speaker 3: Murray Olds is our Australia correspondent, Murray good afternoon, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: get out there, thanks good, thank you. Now Duston wants

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Speaker 4: It's another little lamb chop thrown out to his base

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Speaker 4: last resort option and in the meantime, I mean it's

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Speaker 4: just absolute nonsense. It's the same nonsense that Albanese is

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Speaker 4: spouting as well. I mean, it's not confined to one

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Speaker 4: side of politics. But I did like a line about

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Speaker 4: another thought bubble hasn't been thought through, not clear where

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Speaker 4: it's come from. Peter Dutton wants to talk about anything

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Speaker 4: other than the cost of living. So look, it's going

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Speaker 4: to be a constant living election. I just can't wait

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Speaker 4: until the damn thing's cool, because then we can start

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Speaker 4: getting on with the real business.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, here here I think. I mean, honestly, even

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Speaker 3: on this side of the testament, there's probably some anticipation

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Speaker 3: for at least a date. We haven't even got that

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Speaker 3: in Murray. Now, what's up with these anonymous letters in

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Speaker 3: Melbourne to do with Hong Kong.

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Speaker 4: This is a very worrying thing and it picks up

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Speaker 4: on things that have happened before here. You've had demonstrators

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Speaker 4: gathering down in camera outside the Embassy of the People's

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Speaker 4: Republic of China, protesting about human rights, for example, about

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Speaker 4: wigas and so on. When you've had people, You've had

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Speaker 4: goons walking through allegedly out of the embassy, walking around

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Speaker 4: photographic people putting your frighteners on others. And this has

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Speaker 4: been a recurring theme here that the Chinese government is

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Speaker 4: here putting a squeeze on either students who are here

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Speaker 4: to study or Australian citizens who are here to live.

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Speaker 4: And this is what's happened. Apparently a number of Melbourne

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Speaker 4: residents have received anonymous letters offering a big bounty that's

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Speaker 4: called a police bounty if they tell tales on an

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Speaker 4: Australian citizen. And this guy, Kevin Yam, is a pro

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Speaker 4: democracy activist. He's wandered in Hong Kong for these you know,

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Speaker 4: allegend actional security crimes. Well, Penny Wong, who's the Australian

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Speaker 4: Foreign ministers. You're cracking jokes. This is completely unacceptable, very

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Speaker 4: deeply worrying. And she says Australias are going to tolerate surveillance,

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Speaker 4: harassment or intimidation against individuals or family members in Australia.

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Speaker 4: The government raising its concerns apparently directly with Beijing and

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Speaker 4: authorities in Hong Kong.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, Murray, thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: Murray.

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Speaker 3: Old's are Australia correspondent. Time is seventeen minutes away from

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Speaker 3: five News Talks. Heab lots of text on the hunger striker.

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Speaker 3: We'll get to those in a second. Also, Barry Soaper

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Speaker 3: has been watching the Prime minister over in India and

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Speaker 3: also the Foreign Minister over in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 1: He's next Politics with Centric C to check your customers

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Speaker 3: New talks hereb fourteen minutes away from five Ryan, he

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Speaker 3: can rot in prison. I'm not concerned about him. This

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Speaker 3: is the guy who's apparently been beaten by the guards

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Speaker 3: in prison. Will talk about that after five o'clock right now,

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Speaker 3: Barry Soap, not you, Barry the look on your face.

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Speaker 3: You can rot in prison, absolutely well.

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Speaker 12: Sean Whitcliffe, that's a name, so well known to Wellingtonians.

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Speaker 12: It was just such a shocking crime at the time,

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Speaker 12: nineteen seventy two. I think it was he shot a jeweler.

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Speaker 3: Terrible he was working. Yeah, people have been textanding he

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Speaker 3: was working in his dad's jewelry shop.

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Speaker 2: And was just awful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, awful stuff.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 3: The ACT Party is going to stand in local body elections.

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Speaker 3: Does this? Is this a big deal?

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Speaker 12: Well, it's interesting, isn't it, because you know, some may

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Speaker 12: read it as being a big deal for ACT. They're

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Speaker 12: putting their name on candidates ballot sheet going into the

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Speaker 12: local body elections. We know how popular local body elections

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Speaker 12: are and I guess what they're trying to do is

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Speaker 12: to increase the popularity because ACT sees itself as a

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Speaker 12: fairly formidable part of the political process. But I don't

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Speaker 12: know about mainstream political parties putting themselves on local on

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Speaker 12: local ballots. Labour's done it for a long time, the

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Speaker 12: Greens do it. You only have to look at the

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Speaker 12: council in Wellington to see how dominant they are there.

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Speaker 12: Whether it's a good or the idea or not, well,

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Speaker 12: I guess only we'll be able to tell when it

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Speaker 12: comes to the election. Itself, and in fact, before the election,

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Speaker 12: if anybody comes forward to put their name up under

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Speaker 12: the ACT ticket, but the acting Prime Minister for what

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Speaker 12: That's what certainly David Seymour is at the moment because

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Speaker 12: the big boys are out of town. He's joked that

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Speaker 12: they could even embrace the likes of Jesus if he

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Speaker 12: came back and was willing to stand.

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Speaker 13: I believe that Jesus very well might support acts from

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Speaker 13: what I know about him. He believed that Jesus believed

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Speaker 13: that each person had inherent dignity, was made in the

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Speaker 13: image of God and Margo Day, and deserve to be

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Speaker 13: treated with universal human rights. In many respects, that underlying

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Speaker 13: teachers of Jesus and the Party overlap. But I just

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Speaker 13: want to be clear. The Party is not promising to

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Speaker 13: listen to Guy Fox, Jesus or any historical figure to

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Speaker 13: stand for mayor council or any other position.

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Speaker 12: I think that's horn in the background was an ambulance

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Speaker 12: coming to take him away.

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Speaker 14: You know.

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Speaker 3: Really, I don't know.

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Speaker 12: Whether it's wise for him to go down that track.

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Speaker 12: The Beatles did it at one stage. I think it

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Speaker 12: was John Lennon, so they.

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Speaker 3: Were bigger than Jesus, I've got to be very careful,

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Speaker 3: to have to be careful and and some and I've

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Speaker 3: got a lot of respect for David Seymour. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 3: a very smart guy, and he's a very smart politician.

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Speaker 3: But then sometimes you just you kind of cringe a

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Speaker 3: little bit.

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Speaker 12: The French loved the cock Did he love that line?

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Speaker 12: He thought he was so right anyway.

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Speaker 3: Right moving somebody who can do no wrong, it seems

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Speaker 3: over in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 12: Yes, you know, I did have a bit of a

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Speaker 12: look at Luxon and India. You know, it's sort of

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Speaker 12: a poor ground conclusion now that done got the old

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Speaker 12: negotiations underway. But Winston Peters he's building up to the

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Speaker 12: big one. He's earlier today, well overnight really. He met

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Speaker 12: with the Director of the Office of Foreign Assistants, Peter Morocco.

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Speaker 12: This is the guy, hardcore, mega guy, very much part

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Speaker 12: of the drive to pull the USAID apart, which wou

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Speaker 12: would have been an interesting meeting. He said that the

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Speaker 12: USAID review would be completed in April, and wed no

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Speaker 12: by then the sort of contribution the Americans would be

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Speaker 12: making to the Pacific. He was in the White House

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Speaker 12: today as well. He met with the National Security Advisor

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Speaker 12: Michael Waltz, and that was the Indo Pacific was a discussion.

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Speaker 12: I think there would have been the main one. And

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Speaker 12: then again he was back at Rosemary Banks's place, our

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Speaker 12: ambassador to Washington for dinner just a few hours ago.

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Speaker 12: Now they were hosting, which to me was quite interesting.

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Speaker 12: Two very hardline Trump administration figures, and I think this

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Speaker 12: is quite shrewd in a way. The one of them

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Speaker 12: was Sebastian Gorko, who's a British born of Hungarian heritage.

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Speaker 12: He's the Deputy Assistant to the President, so pretty high

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Speaker 12: up in the senior director of counter Terrorism. And the person,

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Speaker 12: the woman that was there, she goes with the name

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Speaker 12: of Morgan or Tigers. She says that as the deputy

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Speaker 12: Special Envoy for the Middle East under Steve Whitcliffe. Now

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Speaker 12: the are two fairly important figures in the administration, and

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Speaker 12: I think Winston's playing the big game here to ingratiate

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Speaker 12: himself with the administration before that meeting which will be

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Speaker 12: early tomorrow morning our time with the Secretary of State

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Speaker 12: Marco Rubio.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's playing hotline bling, he is. She used one

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Speaker 3: of Drake's infamous get on the hotline and get the bling.

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Speaker 3: That's basically what diplomacy is about with Trump's people, isn't it.

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Speaker 12: Absolutely And Winston knows how to play that game better

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Speaker 12: than most, unless you're a journalist and get on the

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Speaker 12: wrong side, and then you've got a problem.

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Speaker 3: Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent, Thank you so much for

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Speaker 3: your time this afternoon. There's always great insight eight minutes

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Speaker 3: away from five News Talk there be John Bolton, Trump's

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Speaker 3: former national security advisor, on the show after five.

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Speaker 1: Digging into the issues that affect you the Mic Hosking Breakfast.

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Speaker 3: You would be an expert in this area from a

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Speaker 3: previous life. Explain to me give them the.

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Speaker 15: Immigration flow, particularly from India to New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Why is it that in New Zealand doesn't go direct?

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Speaker 15: Why can't I go from Auckland to Delhi, Orkland, of

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Speaker 15: Mumba orklanda anywhere in India.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, well, I'm pushing all the alignes really hard because

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Speaker 16: I actually think you're right. I think we are at

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Speaker 16: a point where, actually I think it's a really good

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Speaker 16: case to say there must be demand starting to build

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Speaker 16: from at least New Delhi or Mumbai into Auckland.

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Speaker 17: Directly back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking breakfast

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Speaker 17: with the rain driver of the last news talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Five to five news talks. THEB dollars up, which is

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Speaker 3: good news. So I looked. It was about an hour

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Speaker 3: ago fifty eight to twenty one US since, which is good.

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Speaker 3: Three month high. Hasn't been that high since December of

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Speaker 3: last year. China has helped their retail sales data has

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Speaker 3: come out stronger than expected, and of course we sell

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Speaker 3: a whole bunch of stuff to China, so that is good.

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Speaker 3: They're also doing a bit of stimulus over in China

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Speaker 3: as well, which is giving people some confidence. So tick

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Speaker 3: tack good for us. At the same time, you've got

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Speaker 3: a data out of the US it's a bit weaker.

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Speaker 3: This is retail sales data a bit weaker out of

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Speaker 3: the US. So people like our dollar a little bit

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Speaker 3: more today people like the US dollar a little bit less.

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Speaker 3: Therefore ours is worth a little bit more, but still

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Speaker 3: not back up over sixty US cents. Largely tracked sideways

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Speaker 3: all year this year. The big data point this week

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Speaker 3: is Thursday GDP. We will get fourth quarter GDP and

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Speaker 3: we are expecting some recovery, though that's not a given.

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Speaker 3: Four away from five, Ryan Bridge a couple of really

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Speaker 3: interesting stories I want to bring to your attention this afternoon.

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Speaker 3: One of them is the fluoridation and fang at a

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Speaker 3: and they're to buy to ruin the story. There is

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Speaker 3: no decision from the court today on that one, but

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Speaker 3: we'll run you through that one a little bit later on.

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Speaker 3: But this Robertson situation raisor Robertson. He comes out and

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Speaker 3: he says the players should be able to you know,

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Speaker 3: play for the All Blacks. He says that in November.

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Speaker 3: He says it again in January. This is after he's

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Speaker 3: got the n zid Art contract. Right, says it again

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Speaker 3: in January, and now he's reversed his thoughts on the matter.

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Speaker 3: I mean, why it's not a major. It's not a major,

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Speaker 3: but it's worth asking the question why and what do

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Speaker 3: the players think about it? They're on the show after

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Speaker 3: five point thirty. John Bolton out of the States.

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Speaker 18: Next get a fine game.

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Speaker 2: We did break If you know me? Person?

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Speaker 1: We have.

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Speaker 8: Person? Where do you have you know me? Post?

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Speaker 7: Some mas.

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Speaker 1: Questions answers, facts, analysis, The drive show you trust for

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Speaker 1: the full picture.

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Speaker 2: Brian Bridge on heatherd for c Allen Drive.

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Speaker 1: With One New Zealand Let's get connected news talks at

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Speaker 1: be Good.

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Speaker 3: Evening FYI, Winston Peters and Marco Rubio that face to

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Speaker 3: face happening eight o'clock tomorrow morning our time tonight, Trump

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Speaker 3: and Poutin are having a call this Ukraine ceasefire thirty

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Speaker 3: day seas fire broken by the US. On the agenda.

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Speaker 3: Kiev has said yes. Russia hasn't responded yet. Ambassador John Bolton,

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Speaker 3: was Donald Trump's national security advisor during his first term,

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Speaker 3: got him on the line and best of the Hello.

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Speaker 14: Hi, how are you?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Good? Thank you? So do you think these talks are

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Speaker 3: going to be fruitful?

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Speaker 14: Well? I think that Putin has carefully manipulated the timing

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Speaker 14: here so that Russian forces are on the verge of

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Speaker 14: eliminating all presents of Ukraine troops and Kursk province inside Russia.

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Speaker 14: I think he's dragged out the negotiations so that he

655
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Speaker 14: now has a pretty clear idea what Trump may want,

656
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Speaker 14: and he's counting on direct negotiations between himself and Trump

657
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Speaker 14: to use his KGB manipulative skills on Trump to get

658
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Speaker 14: even more concessions out of him than Trump's already given Russia.

659
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Speaker 14: I mean, Trump has effectively flipped the US position from

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Speaker 14: being supportive of Ukraine to being supportive of Russia, and

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Speaker 14: Putin wants to see if he could get more.

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Speaker 3: Why has he done that? Some people say, oh, he's

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Speaker 3: just pro Russian. What's the reason for it?

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Speaker 14: Well, I think I think Putin's always had an affinity

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Speaker 14: for the authoritarian figures. I can't explain it. Maybe we

666
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Speaker 14: can let the shrinks tell us what the reason for

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Speaker 14: it is. But you know, I don't buy the argument

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Speaker 14: that somehow he's become a Russian agent. I think, you know,

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Speaker 14: Vladimir Lenin once said that a lot of useful work

670
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Speaker 14: was done for the communists in the West by what

671
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Speaker 14: he called useful idiots, people who didn't even realize they

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Speaker 14: were helping the communists out. And I think there's something

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Speaker 14: of that going on with with Trump and the Russians

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Speaker 14: and the Chinese and others. But I think Putin's skills

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Speaker 14: as a former KGB agent, unfortunately will suit him very

676
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Speaker 14: well in this conversation.

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Speaker 3: How much of this is because from America's perspective, you

678
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Speaker 3: can't be well with everyone all at once. You can't

679
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Speaker 3: be taking on China. You've got to separate China away

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Speaker 3: from Russia somehow. You've got to divide and conquer well.

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Speaker 14: I think splitting Russia away from China's fine idea, but

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Speaker 14: in the current circumstances, it's just not going to work out.

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Speaker 14: They're not going to agree to a ceasefire getting them

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Speaker 14: part of what they want from Ukraine. And basically they

685
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Speaker 14: want all of Ukraine to put the old Russian Empire

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Speaker 14: back together and anyway in exchange for a piece of

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Speaker 14: Ukraine to split from China. Indeed, China has strengthened its

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Speaker 14: hold on Russia in this new China Russia axis that's

689
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Speaker 14: been forming because of the war in Ukraine, because they

690
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Speaker 14: have helped Russia escape global financial sanctions by laundering sanctioned

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Speaker 14: Russian assets through the opaque Chinese financial system. They've significantly

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Speaker 14: increased their purchases of Russian oil and gas and committed

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Speaker 14: to expand pipeline capacity overland in the future. China has

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Speaker 14: real interest in becoming an Arctic power, if you can

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Speaker 14: believe that. Using the Northwest Passage that now has opened

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Speaker 14: because of global warming. I met with the Russian several

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Speaker 14: times as National Security advisor and asked them what they

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Speaker 14: thought of back then when they were growing closer to China.

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Speaker 14: They said, no problem, We've got this under control. We're

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Speaker 14: not worried. You know, they were wrong then and they're

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Speaker 14: wrong now.

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Speaker 3: John, Where does all of us leave NATO? I mean,

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Speaker 3: obviously Ukraine's not a NATO member. It would like to be.

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Speaker 3: That'll be part of these peace talks that are going

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Speaker 3: to happen. But does anyone think, you know, has NATO

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Speaker 3: been completely undermined by Donald Trump? I mean, would he

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Speaker 3: really send troops into Estonia if they were in trouble?

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Speaker 3: Does anyone really believe that anymore?

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Speaker 14: You know, I'm seriously worried about the consequences for NATO

710
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Speaker 14: of a bad settlement for Ukraine because Trump is not

711
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Speaker 14: a fan of NATO. That's to put it mildly. In

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Speaker 14: twenty eighteen, during the NATO summit in Brussels, he came

713
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Speaker 14: within an inch of withdrawing. Then I was right there

714
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Speaker 14: sitting behind him when he almost did it. He doesn't

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Speaker 14: understand how NATO works, or in fact, he doesn't understand

716
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Speaker 14: and how defense alliances themselves work, and you know, his

717
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Speaker 14: idea that will only defend NATO countries that are spending

718
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Speaker 14: two percent or more of their GDP on defense makes

719
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Speaker 14: the alliance look.

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Speaker 3: Like a.

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Speaker 14: Checkerboard with some in, some out, and just undermines the

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Speaker 14: whole idea of collective defense. I hope that the damage

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Speaker 14: to NATO doesn't turn out to be fatal and that

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Speaker 14: Trump doesn't withdraw the United States. It would be a

725
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Speaker 14: catastrophic mistake. But he doesn't understand how it works. He

726
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Speaker 14: thinks we defend Europe, we get nothing out of it,

727
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Speaker 14: and Europe doesn't pay. That's not NATO at all. We

728
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Speaker 14: do benefit from NATO. We shouldn't be ashamed to say it.

729
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Speaker 14: We're stronger and the West is stronger as a whole

730
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Speaker 14: because of NATO. Donald Trump just doesn't get it.

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Speaker 3: And weird does that leave us? You know, weird? Does

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Speaker 3: that leave the rest of the world? John, The world

733
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Speaker 3: orders been tipped on its head. Trump's going on after

734
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Speaker 3: his allies, He's defending his enemies. When you're a little

735
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Speaker 3: country like New Zealand that loves the rules by system

736
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Speaker 3: and we've got our farm. Min's drop in Washington, DC

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Speaker 3: at the moment, what will we make of us?

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Speaker 14: Well, what I would say is, even though there are

739
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Speaker 14: forty six months left in Trump's presidency, which may seem

740
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Speaker 14: like a long time, grit your teeth and don't write

741
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Speaker 14: the United States off. Yet some in Europe are thinking

742
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Speaker 14: of doing it. I think collectively it's better to stand together.

743
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Speaker 14: We'll get through this. This is Trump's Trump didn't campaign

744
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Speaker 14: on destroying NATO or getting into a trade war with

745
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Speaker 14: our closest friends around the world. This is not where

746
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Speaker 14: the American people are and it may take a real

747
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Speaker 14: setback somewhere before even Trump is pulled up short. But

748
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Speaker 14: we've got to be patient, think of the long term,

749
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Speaker 14: and hopefully muddle through without too much damage being done

750
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Speaker 14: until we get a president who understands how the system

751
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Speaker 14: should work and would be committed to make it work.

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Speaker 3: All right, John, thanks for your time in your analysis.

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Speaker 3: That's Ambassador John Bolton, former national security advisor to Donald Trumpe.

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Speaker 3: Thirteen minutes half to five. Now, as we are talking

755
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Speaker 3: a ceasefire, they hope to come to a ceasefire agreement

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Speaker 3: or at least appause and hostilities in Ukraine. But as

757
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Speaker 3: we're talking, the ceasefire seems to be falling apart in

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Speaker 3: the Middle East, so Israel has gone on the attack.

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Speaker 3: They are lobbing missiles into Gaza again because Hamas didn't

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Speaker 3: release some of the hostages they said they were going

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Speaker 3: to release. So it just goes to show that even

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Speaker 3: if you do get a sex fire, it doesn't mean

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Speaker 3: the thing will hold right, which is the point many

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Speaker 3: have been making. Closer to home. This was a really

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Speaker 3: interesting one today from Japan. They're sending some long range

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Speaker 3: missiles capable of heading targets in North Korea and China's coast.

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Speaker 3: They're sending them to some of their southern islands. Now,

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Speaker 3: Japan has this long standing rule where they don't send

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Speaker 3: any long range missiles to Okinawa and to the Okinawa

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Speaker 3: island chain because it's too close to Taiwan. You would

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Speaker 3: piss China off too much, so you don't want to

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Speaker 3: provoke them, so you don't send them. So they're not

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Speaker 3: quite sending them to the Okinawa island chain because that

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Speaker 3: would just be too much for China. But they're basically

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Speaker 3: doing the next best thing an island called Kyushu. They

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Speaker 3: are sending their long range missiles they're capable of hitting

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Speaker 3: North Korea and China. And the reason for this is

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Speaker 3: quite simple. They're not entirely sure that Donald Trump in

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Speaker 3: America will be there to support them to something kick

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Speaker 3: off in this region. So I mean, you can't blame

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Speaker 3: them for that, can you? Quarter past five US talks

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Speaker 2: Brian brad it's just gone.

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Speaker 3: Eighteen minutes after five now this correction story. They've launched

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Speaker 3: an investigation into one of their own prison guards. There

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Speaker 3: is an altercation with a seventy seven year old prisoner

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Speaker 3: at spring Hill Prison. This prisoner happens to be the

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Speaker 3: notorious convict murder at Dean Whickliffe. He was recently recalled

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Speaker 3: to prison when his lawyer says he was beaten up

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Speaker 3: for refusing to be double bunked. And its Sukes is

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Speaker 3: Dean Wickliff's lawyer and she's with me now and it

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Speaker 3: good evening.

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Speaker 19: Good evening.

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Speaker 3: So what exactly did he throw? The correction says that

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Speaker 3: he threw something at the prison guard or in the room.

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Speaker 3: What happened there?

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Speaker 19: We have a contested vision of events, so those metters

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Speaker 19: will no doubt be part of the investigation. Our instructions

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Speaker 19: are that And I want to just take a step back.

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Speaker 19: I wasn't notified by Springhill that he was in custody.

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Speaker 19: I was actually notified by a very lovely police officer

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Speaker 19: from the Total Press station that arrested Dean for a

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Speaker 19: breach of his parole residence requirements, and she had contacted

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Speaker 19: me letting me know that they had located him at

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Speaker 19: the place of residence, but he was sleeping in his car,

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Speaker 19: which was a strict breach. One of the problems is

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Speaker 19: of homelessness in our area as there is insufficient houses.

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Speaker 19: But if you've been parolled to an address, that's where

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Speaker 19: you need to be. He was found in his car

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Speaker 19: by himself with two cats that he had been caring

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Speaker 19: for that with stray cats. She was concerned to let

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Speaker 19: me know one that he had been in prison too,

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Speaker 19: that we needed someone to pick up the car, three

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Speaker 19: that she wanted me arranged rescued for these cats because

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Speaker 19: that was its instructesce to me, and four to contact

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Speaker 19: him at Springhill the following day. I did that, and

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Speaker 19: I was advised by the people that we were speaking

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Speaker 19: to at spring Hill that he didn't want to speak

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Speaker 19: with me. It wasn't until Friday last week that I

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Speaker 19: found out that these other events that you've discussed in

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Speaker 19: introduction had transpired, and that, in fact, he had been

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Speaker 19: in hospital on Tuesday evening as a result of the

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Speaker 19: assault that he had suffered as he entered his prison

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Speaker 19: cell earlier that week.

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Speaker 3: So the corrections of saying he didn't want to take

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Speaker 3: your call because he was refusing to leave his cell,

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Speaker 3: I mean, you can't exactly force them to take the phone,

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Speaker 3: can you.

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Speaker 20: No?

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Speaker 19: But I had he told me quite clear that that

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Speaker 19: wasn't the position right So March no, he said on

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Speaker 19: a tenth of March, because he felt that he wasn't

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Speaker 19: given equal jugments and their treatment that he had asked

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Speaker 19: specifically for where to be contactant. He also decided at

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Speaker 19: that point that he you know, this is an individual

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Speaker 19: that understands very well the regulatory requirement for prisoners while

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Speaker 19: they are in custody. He also felt that he was

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Speaker 19: being denied fundamental rights that you normally get to all prisoners,

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Speaker 19: and he wanted to have those metters dealt with.

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Speaker 11: Then he was.

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Speaker 19: Accosted, He was assaulted Man Stratton's are, his head was

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Speaker 19: smashed into the concrete. Photos have been released that show

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Speaker 19: quite clearly that his version of events has some veracity,

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Speaker 19: and we're also now advised today some several days after that,

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Speaker 19: even the internal investigation crisis of the Department of Corrections

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Speaker 19: himself have actually stood down the prison officer. Something was wrong.

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Speaker 3: There and it's thank you very much for your time.

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Speaker 3: Twenty two after five Bridge and it's like she's the

868
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 3: lawyer acting for Dean Wickliffe. He's the one who alleges

869
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 3: and this is basically he said, she said, situation. We

870
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 3: actually don't know what happened. I'm sure there's surely there's

871
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 3: some CZTV that can clarify this whole thing. But the

872
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 3: statement from Correction because yes, he is a convicted murderer

873
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 3: and know you shouldn't feel sorry for him, But at

874
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 3: the same time, you don't want some loose screw beating

875
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 3: prisoners up, do you, because it's just not a good look.

876
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 3: And you've got to assume that some people in prison help,

877
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 3: no matter how small the percentage might be innocent. We

878
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 3: don't want them being beaten up just because they happen

879
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 3: to be in the system anyway. That aside, big statement

880
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 3: from Corrections, they have said one staff member involved is

881
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 3: not currently at work. We don't know what that means.

882
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 3: Does that mean that's being investigated. Does that mean they've

883
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 3: been fired. We don't know. There was a all prisoner

884
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 3: refused to leave the cell. Prisoner didn't want to be

885
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 3: double bunked. Force was used and they're investigating the incident.

886
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 3: And by the way, if you want to know what

887
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 3: the Section eighty three of the Corrections Act says, it

888
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 3: says you can use force on reasonable grounds if you

889
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 3: believe it's necessary. Examples include self defense, in the case

890
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 3: of an escape, to prevent property damage, or in response

891
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 3: to resistance to a lawful order. Twenty three after five,

892
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 3: news talks had been.

893
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: Moving the big stories of the d Orwen It's Ryan

894
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: Bridge on hither duperic Allen Drive.

895
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 2: With one New Zealand Let's get connected. News talks had.

896
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 3: Been five twenty six. Did you know thirty seven people

897
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 3: on average thirty seven people die a year of old age.

898
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 3: Now when you die, this is an interesting fact. We're

899
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 3: actually the fourth in the world for median wealth. When

900
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 3: you die, your average keiwi seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

901
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 3: That's what they're worth, that's their assets. Now between today's

902
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 3: date and twenty fifty there's a report out today Today's

903
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 3: day in twenty fifty one point six trillion dollars in

904
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 3: inheritance is up for grabs, and I can see a

905
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 3: couple of people licking their lips about this. One is

906
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 3: the kids, obviously first and foremost. Second is the labor

907
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 3: party and their taxes. Obviously. Another are charities. Now there

908
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 3: the ones who've come out today calling for they want

909
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 3: more bequeaths, more money to be bequeathed towards them. Apparently

910
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 3: only one percent goes to charity at the moment, and

911
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 3: they're saying, you know, if you're up that even a

912
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 3: couple of percent, imagine the good that could be done.

913
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 3: Here's the thing about inheritance. It belongs to nobody but you.

914
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 3: It's your money. It's your asset, You earned it. Do

915
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 3: what you like with it. You want to take a

916
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 3: trip around the world before you pop off, be my guest.

917
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 3: You want to go to a strip club by Harley Davidson,

918
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 3: get a new hip. Whatever, it's your money, it's your asset.

919
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 3: You spend it however you want. You don't owe anybody anything.

920
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 3: We'll look after ourselves. Enjoy what is left of your life.

921
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 3: I don't understand those people who sit there with a

922
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 3: handout hoping and waiting and expecting, and the pressure it

923
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 3: puts on to other people. So I mean, yes, the

924
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 3: charities obviously just need to get some funding and they're

925
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 3: coming out and asking that today. But for everybody else,

926
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 3: just mind your own business and Ryan Bridge, let our

927
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 3: retirees get on with it. Twenty eight minutes after five newsbook,

928
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 3: they'd be we'll look at this razor decision. You tune

929
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 3: on players playing overseas.

930
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: Next, recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.

931
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge on Heather do for ce Ellen drive

932
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

933
00:49:58,920 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 2: They'd be.

934
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 3: So good anything when he four away from six year

935
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 3: on news Talk ZB. Lots of feedback coming in on

936
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 3: the so called baby boomers and their intergenerational wealth transfer.

937
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 3: We'll get some of that shortly. One person says, thank

938
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 3: you Ryan for your comments on inheritance and all of

939
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 3: the people waiting with their hands out for their parents

940
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 3: to die. And you're right, it was bloody hard earned.

941
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 3: Leave us alone, please, including the charities. The charities who

942
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 3: came out today to say that they wanted their cut too.

943
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 3: There's a Bulgarian club. This is a football club. Weirdest

944
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 3: story of the day. Bulgarian football club holds a minute's

945
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 3: silence in front of the packed stadium, holds a minute

946
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 3: silence for an ex player who turns out still alive.

947
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 3: They were having a minute silence to commemorate the fact

948
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 3: that he had passed away, and then before the end

949
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 3: of the game they had to put a note out

950
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 3: on their Facebook page to say, actually, I'm sorry, we

951
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 3: got this wrong. He's not dead. They haven't explained that yet,

952
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 3: like why they thought he was dead or what steps

953
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 3: they took to confirm his death. They just had a

954
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 3: minute silence and then they yeah, he's alive. It's a celebration.

955
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 2: Three away from Sexan Bridge.

956
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 3: Starting with rugby, though less morbid. We're going to speak

957
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 3: to the Rugby Players Union. This is the New Zealand

958
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 3: Rugby Players Association. Rob Nichols the CEO. There because Raiser

959
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 3: Scott Robertson, the coach of the All Blacks, he's done

960
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 3: a bit of a u turn. This on the decision

961
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 3: by n z R. Currently, players cannot be selected to

962
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 3: play for the All Blacks if they are playing off shore.

963
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 3: Now Robertson didn't agree with that. Now he does agree

964
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 3: with that. What's up with that? Rob Nichols?

965
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 2: Here?

966
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 3: Hi, Rob, what are you reason this is about?

967
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 19: Oh?

968
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 20: Look, I think it's there's been a lot of conjuncture

969
00:51:58,880 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 20: and discussion.

970
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 21: Around where rais are said on this and when New

971
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 21: Zealand Rugby were at.

972
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 20: To be honest, I being part of the conversations all

973
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 20: the way along, and they've kind of been on the

974
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 20: same page and they're just coming out I think to

975
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 20: reaffirm the fact that they are and that where you

976
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 20: all are. The starting point, as you said, is that

977
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 20: you have to be playing in New Zealand if you

978
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 20: want to be eligible for teams in black. But we

979
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 20: have effectively a regulation or a guideline around that that

980
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 20: can say, well, in exceptional circumstances, we can make exceptions,

981
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 20: and you're seeing us do that over the years, display

982
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 20: a bit of flexibility around the comments.

983
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,240
Speaker 21: And things like that. But the underlying ethos.

984
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 20: Of all of that was, you know, it was conveyed

985
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 20: to players that are earned the right to serve. Time

986
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 20: in the black jersey delivered great value and they were

987
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 20: still really committed to that black jersey and wanting to

988
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 20: come back and be a.

989
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 21: Part of it.

990
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 20: So you're you know, we've got we've got a bit

991
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 20: of flexibility there. But basically it's everyone just saying we're

992
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 20: not changing.

993
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 3: The Jordi bar You mean, like Jordi Barrett over in Island.

994
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 3: That's flexibility exactly. But it's not that flexible, isn't it.

995
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 3: I mean you can't just up and play and come

996
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 3: back and split them between like the South Africans.

997
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 21: No, it's absolutely not that and we don't want that.

998
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 2: Why not, Well, I think to answer the question.

999
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 20: I think you kind of go back to the purpose

1000
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 20: of rugby and New Zealand and if you say, well,

1001
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 20: it's there to play its role within sport to personally

1002
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 20: develop people, character, a sense of community, social cohesion, connection,

1003
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 20: the sense of belonging.

1004
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 21: That you get out of sport, and rugby has played.

1005
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 20: A really really strong role with the New Zealand's evolution

1006
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 20: over a long long period of time. And respect of that,

1007
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:34,320
Speaker 20: I think rugby club's relationships, marriages, all that kind of stuff,

1008
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 20: and then you proove through to those that are good

1009
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 20: enough represent us on the global stage and fill us

1010
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 20: with pride and inspiration and to a certain extent, when

1011
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 20: you look at New Zealand, globally and anyone who travels overseas.

1012
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 20: Rugby kind of underpins our identity a little bit.

1013
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 3: It's something that we should be pretty proud sodly understand

1014
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 3: all that. But for the players, it's about the money,

1015
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:54,720
Speaker 3: isn't it. They're not going to be able to get.

1016
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 21: In that coin.

1017
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 20: No, you're missing the point and you're missing that. It's

1018
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 20: about more than just how I mean, clearly it's profession.

1019
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 20: But the point I'm making is that as custodians the

1020
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 20: game in this country, we don't want to see that

1021
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 20: rugby lose its place with the New Zealand's identity. We

1022
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 20: want the community game to flourish and to do that,

1023
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 20: you need to provide your inspirational pathway. To do that,

1024
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 20: we need to keep professional rugby professional in New Zealand.

1025
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 20: If you allow players to leave at fifteen, sixteen, seventeen

1026
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 20: years of age play their rugby overseas in these competitions

1027
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 20: that do have more money and will have the ability

1028
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 20: to attract players away and still represent the all backs,

1029
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 20: the pathway, the professional pathway for the game of this country,

1030
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 20: will get lost.

1031
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 21: You lose that, you lose the ability rugby. Yeah, you

1032
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 21: see where I'm going with this.

1033
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 3: I get where you're going, but I think you have

1034
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 3: to concede that that does come at a financial cost

1035
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 3: to those players who would today like to upsticks, go

1036
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 3: play overseas and come back. You know what I mean,

1037
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 3: There is an opportunity cost to what you're talking about.

1038
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 3: You're sacrificing an individual, is sacrificing for the greater good,

1039
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 3: that's what you're saying.

1040
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 21: Yeah, it's not sacrifice.

1041
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 20: I mean like professional sport is about choices, right, you

1042
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 20: choose to slave professional sport. You don't ann ow language,

1043
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 20: you don't sacrifice going to the part of You choose

1044
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 20: not to because you want something else more. And I

1045
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 20: think that's a really important ethos. There's something about the

1046
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 20: way in which New Zealander Arabia has maintained its position

1047
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 20: over a long period of time of being the best,

1048
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 20: you know, and it comes down a lot to the coaching,

1049
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 20: to the environments where there's just this desire to be

1050
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 20: the best. And it starts when the kids are really

1051
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 20: young and they're coming through the grades. You know, when

1052
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 20: they pull on that back jusey, they want to be

1053
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 20: the best, and to be the best, you want to

1054
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 20: compete with the best and be coached by the best.

1055
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 20: And so the ability for us to keep players in

1056
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 20: this country, keep the high performance pathways, keep them wanting

1057
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 20: to perform for the country and stay connected. Players that

1058
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 20: want to be the best and succeed, they want to

1059
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 20: be a part of that and that's that. So you

1060
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 20: might say, well, you're se sacrificing money, but actually what

1061
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 20: I'm getting in return, I'm getting to be.

1062
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 2: The best I know.

1063
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 20: I'm in the right place to be the best I possibly.

1064
00:55:58,640 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 21: Can go in.

1065
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 3: Understand. Thank you very much for explaining. Appreciate your time.

1066
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 3: Rob Nickel, who's the chief executive at check of Executive

1067
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 3: rather at the Rugby Players Association. It's eighteen minutes away

1068
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 3: from six.

1069
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. Find you

1070
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: all one of the.

1071
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 3: Kind news talk'd be clear to the lord journalists with

1072
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 3: us on the huddle tonight. Hey cliar Hi, they're right

1073
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 3: good to see you and Stuart Nash Formal Labor Minister's

1074
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 3: here too. Hi, Stuart Ryan, how are you good?

1075
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 14: Good?

1076
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 3: Thank you?

1077
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 21: Hey.

1078
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 3: Let's start with the baby boomers starting to die and

1079
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 3: having a huge amount of inheritance. In fact, somebody said

1080
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 3: it's the biggest intergenerational change in wealth that the world's

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Speaker 3: ever seen. Clear, what should they do with all of

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Speaker 3: their money and assets?

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Speaker 22: You're speaking to one now, what should all of that loot?

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Speaker 23: Hey, well, there's always skiing, as they say, spending the

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Speaker 23: kids inheritance. But I do have agree with sympathy for

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Speaker 23: people who think it's better to support charities while you're alive.

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Speaker 23: That way, you get to see, if you're very interested

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Speaker 23: in the outcome of what they're doing, get to see

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Speaker 23: it yourself, and hopefully you pass on to your family

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Speaker 23: a bit of a love of whatever that is an.

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Speaker 22: Affection for it.

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Speaker 23: If once you're gone they decide that they'd like to

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Speaker 23: support out of their inheritance that charity and have an

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Speaker 23: ongoing family connection or whatever, I think that's fantastic. But

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Speaker 23: I do think that as the boomers sort of move on,

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Speaker 23: as we all shuffle off with kids, expectantly sort of

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Speaker 23: you know, queuing up outside the lawyers waiting to see

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Speaker 23: what's in line, we will probably also by that stage

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Speaker 23: have a capital gains tax. We will probably be clipping

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Speaker 23: the ticket. In other ways, a national super may well

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Speaker 23: or be means tested or whatever. So I think that's

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Speaker 23: probably the extent to which I would like to see

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Speaker 23: people being in any way coerced, just paying their taxes

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Speaker 23: as they go.

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Speaker 3: Stuart, do you have your parents still with us? And

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Speaker 3: I mean, are you expecting to get some kind of inheritance?

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Speaker 3: Is that something you've always thought about?

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Speaker 2: No, it's not.

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Speaker 17: But I'm of a generation when I started working with

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Speaker 17: my wife we could afford a house. I think this

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Speaker 17: has probably changed a little bit because for a lot

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Speaker 17: of young people, when their parents shuffle off this mortal coil,

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Speaker 17: the inheritance they get will allow them to pay down debt.

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Speaker 17: So you know, we're not talking about the super wealthy here.

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Speaker 17: We're talking about mum and dad who maybe have a

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Speaker 17: house in Auckland, maybe a house in Woodville. I do think, mate,

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Speaker 17: that the greatest iniquity in society in the next twenty

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00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 17: years will come from where your parents ended up dying.

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Speaker 17: If you're one of four kids in Woodville, you may

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Speaker 17: end up with one hundred thousand. If you wanted two

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Speaker 17: kids whose parents owned a house and Herne Bay, you

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Speaker 17: may end up with two million dollars each. But you know,

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Speaker 17: we've always been bad at this Keywis have never been

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Speaker 17: great givers Americans get it, Keywis, never really have and

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Speaker 17: I don't expect to see that changing at all.

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Speaker 3: To be honest, does it clear? Does it feel like?

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Speaker 3: Can you explain what it feels like to want to

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Speaker 3: give money to somebody else? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Do you think people actually get some pleasure in the

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Speaker 3: final years of their life, not that you're there, but

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Speaker 3: in the fund?

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Speaker 22: Do I look that bad today?

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Speaker 3: But of knowing that the money that they have built up,

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Speaker 3: or the assets that they have built up, will be

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Speaker 3: there for their children and for their grandchildren. That that's

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Speaker 3: part of the appeal of it.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, that is part of the appeal of it. But

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Speaker 22: if they have, you know, like.

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Speaker 23: The two million dollar excess that Stew's referring to for example,

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Speaker 23: for example, they may want to be enjoying that with

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Speaker 23: their kids and giving to something they support. At the

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Speaker 23: same time, if we didn't have some of that, we

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Speaker 23: wouldn't have the ASB Tennis Center. There has been a

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00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 23: lot of philanthropy given towards that. There's a huge number

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Speaker 23: of sports organizations that have relied on the philanthropy of

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00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 23: somebody quite big in their small local community who's really

1147
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 23: looked after them during their lifetime and in death, and

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00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 23: I think without that we would have far few with

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01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 23: facilities around the place. There is research that shows that

1150
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 23: people who earn less tend to respond more to a

1151
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 23: call for immediate action flood relief, for example, cyclone relief,

1152
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 23: to give small amounts of money regularly to try and

1153
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 23: help somebody just a little bit.

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01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 22: So when I'm not entirely lacking as a charitable country.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good point. We'll be back in just a moment.

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Speaker 3: Clear to law and Stuart Nash on the huddle.

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01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International realty, the ones

1158
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: with local and global reach.

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Speaker 3: And leave it away from sex News talks. There'd be

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01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 3: clear the lad journalist Stuart Nash Formal Labor Minister on

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Speaker 3: the program tonight. Just before we move on to the

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Speaker 3: Act Party and local elections. There's a gist of lovely

1163
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 3: text that's come in. It says Ryan, I want to

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Speaker 3: leave on inheritance. I want to leave whatever I have

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Speaker 3: to my sons because I don't want them to struggle

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Speaker 3: all their lives like I have. Doesn't that break your heart, STUARTE.

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Speaker 17: That's the attitude of the vast majority of Key I think,

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Speaker 17: and it's not a bad one.

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Speaker 3: Right, No, it's not, it's not right. Let's talk about

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Speaker 3: the ACT Party and they push to stand candidates at

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Speaker 3: local body elections. Is this going to work well?

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Speaker 17: I think with all do you respect to David Seymour,

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01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 17: He's got a lot of problems he's got to sort

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01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 17: out in his bee hive office, let alone worrying about

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01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 17: what's happening around the country and local government elections. Labor

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01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 17: has occasionally stood candidates, not not often, but occasionally in

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Speaker 17: certain electorates where we're very, very strong, But you know,

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Speaker 17: David has delivered mediocrity as a minister. If I was

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01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 17: thinking about running for local council, and I'm not, I

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01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 17: would steer well clear of the ACT brand because I

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01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 17: don't think it's particularly strong at the moment. If I'm

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01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:41,479
Speaker 17: honest with your mate, clear, what do you think?

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01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 23: Well, you know, I don't know if he's sort of

1184
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 23: trying to do some public good by generating more interest

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01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 23: in local body elections than we currently have because it's

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01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 23: so low. Yeah, and it is so unattractive to so

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01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 23: many people to stand. But I much prefer the sort

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01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 23: of almost like the blind tasting, you kind of where

1189
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Speaker 23: people are coming from politically, but they're not branded big time.

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Speaker 23: And I just think actually there is a risk for

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Speaker 23: ACT in this too because selection of a local body candidate,

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01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 23: you know that you would need a lot of them

1193
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 23: to feel a full sheet, and the cross contamination if

1194
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 23: one of them has foot in mouth syndrome, will blow

1195
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 23: up spectacularly. So I don't know whether it's a good

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Speaker 23: idea from that point of view either.

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Speaker 3: No, is it just a brand because I was trying

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Speaker 3: to think what actually is in it for the active party.

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Speaker 3: Is it just a branding thing where you have your

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Speaker 3: logo up more someone else is paying for it.

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Speaker 23: I don't know, because also it can be expensive, and

1202
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 23: there is that, you know, I think the risk factor

1203
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 23: of not being able to.

1204
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Speaker 22: Manage or control these people.

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Speaker 17: Yes, sure, look it's a pure branding thing. And you know,

1206
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Speaker 17: like I said that Labour used to stand candidates in

1207
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 17: South Auckland and the reason for that is Labor was

1208
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 17: just so popular in South Auckland it could get away

1209
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 17: with it. But it doesn't stand them in places like

1210
01:02:55,920 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 17: Napure or elsewhere. We have held the national seat, we've

1211
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Speaker 17: held the electriate seed I'm I'm with you clear. I

1212
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 17: think there's more risk in this than there is good.

1213
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 17: But I'm not too sure if David's put this out

1214
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 17: and flying a kite to divert attention away from school

1215
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 17: lunches or charter schools or everything else he's touched. But

1216
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 17: I think it's just David, just as mentioned, trying to

1217
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 17: divert attention away from the disaster that's going on and

1218
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:21,439
Speaker 17: well into the moment.

1219
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Speaker 3: What's happening was my cynicism. Hey, you've been there, you've

1220
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 3: done it's what's up with Wellington is they were going

1221
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 3: to get a candidate for the Wellington Maryalty. What's happening there?

1222
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 17: I don't know, actually, I mean anyone but the current mayor. Please,

1223
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 17: I mean, why aren't people putting up their hand? I

1224
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 17: would have thought if there was a good candidate out

1225
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 17: there that they would romp in. But for some reason.

1226
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Speaker 23: But they touch a mess too, an't they? It's just

1227
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 23: like that's true much a mess?

1228
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 22: Where do you unpick it all?

1229
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Speaker 17: But I think you could anyone could look really really good.

1230
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Speaker 3: A road cone could look pretty good.

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Speaker 22: I don't want to compare him on a road home.

1232
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Speaker 23: But our friend Mark Sainsbury has been mentioned in dispatches

1233
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 23: and he's decided not to. But even yesterday somebody said

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01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 23: to me, you know.

1235
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Speaker 22: He really should. We really really need.

1236
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Speaker 3: To know what. I really loved about Sanzo's comment to

1237
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 3: the paper. His comment was, do you know what, not

1238
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 3: just because I could doesn't mean I should. He said,

1239
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 3: people know me. I've got name recognition, I live in Wellington.

1240
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 3: I love this city. But that doesn't make me keep

1241
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 3: that doesn't make me competent.

1242
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 22: He's only recently adopted that man track.

1243
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 17: Well, it's true it doesn't make him competent. But you

1244
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 17: can't tell me there isn't someone out there who loves

1245
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 17: the city, is highly competent, knows what needs to be done,

1246
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 17: has a has a bit of charisma, can deliver a

1247
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 17: decent speech, and work past midday. You know that would

1248
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 17: be a start, right, working past midday, turning up to meetings.

1249
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's got.

1250
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 17: To be someone out there. I'm sure both Labor and National,

1251
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 17: or the right and the left are scouting high and

1252
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 17: load to find someone else. And I hope, like how

1253
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 17: they do find someone decent.

1254
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Wellington deserves it, after all they've been through.

1255
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much team for coming on. Great to

1256
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 3: have you on as always for the huddle that is

1257
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:18,919
Speaker 3: clear to the law and Stuart Nash here on News

1258
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 3: Talks HEB six away from six.

1259
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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

1260
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 1: MYRD Radio powered by News.

1261
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:31,439
Speaker 3: Talks EDB, News Talks VB. It is coming up four

1262
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 3: minutes away from six o'clock. Now after six, we're going

1263
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 3: to talk to Brad Olsen about renting. If you're in

1264
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 3: the if you're a renteur, things that are apparently getting

1265
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 3: better for you. If you're changing flats, if you're a landlord,

1266
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 3: particularly in our biggest cities, things aren't so great. We're

1267
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 3: also going to talk to Jamie McKay from the Country

1268
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 3: Farmer confidence up again. Of course we've seen over the

1269
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 3: last couple of months the payouts were expecting Paul blots

1270
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 3: them after half six and end the radio out of

1271
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Speaker 3: the UK. But after the news and do you say

1272
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 3: that duty free stores and airports are a wrought? Are

1273
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,959
Speaker 3: they actually there much cheaper? We've got numbers for your.

1274
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: Next what's what's down wan with a major calls and

1275
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: how will it affect the economy? The big business questions

1276
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and Mayor's Insurance

1277
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 1: and Investments, Grow your Wealth, Protect your Future News talks

1278
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 1: at be.

1279
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 3: Good Ey Thing. It is seven after six news talks.

1280
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 3: There'd be Brad Olsen on renting, Jamie McKay on farming,

1281
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 3: Poor box them and Indo Brady all ahead before the

1282
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 3: end of the hour. Right now, the French are flying

1283
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 3: into Auckland International Airport. This French global output, the travel

1284
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 3: retailer Legardere, has won an eight year contract to run

1285
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 3: the airport's duty free shops for the next eight years. Obviously,

1286
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 3: apparently they're going to be stocking top global brands, which

1287
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 3: I thought most of our airport, our international airport duty

1288
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 3: free stores already were. But how much better off are

1289
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 3: you actually shopping duty free? Chris Wilkinson's the first Retail

1290
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 3: Group managing director is with us now. Hi, Chris, Hey, Ryan,

1291
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Speaker 3: how are you do? Good? Thank you, Good to have

1292
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Speaker 3: you on the show. This is obviously a good thing.

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Speaker 3: This is good news that the French are coming here

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Speaker 3: to do this.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, well we've already got French operator in the end now,

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Speaker 24: so this operator is I guess just a massive scale

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Speaker 24: around the world. So it's a very promising sign, is

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Speaker 24: it true?

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Speaker 3: I mean, yes, you get your GST off, you get

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Speaker 3: your duty off, but at the prices actually, you know

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Speaker 3: do you get is it one for one? Do you

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Speaker 3: get back every dollar that you save on GST and

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Speaker 3: on duty?

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Speaker 24: Well it's interesting. I just took a couple of products

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Speaker 24: before and tested them out. So Bombay Gin, for instance,

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Speaker 24: fifty six dollars at the airport it is sixty nine

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Speaker 24: to ninety nine, but you can get two for seventy

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Speaker 24: nine or three four hundred and ten. You know, that's

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Speaker 24: just one example. We know that some products are more expensive.

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Speaker 24: I mean if you see Wickers chocolate, well, what were

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Speaker 24: you're expecting? It's going to be expensive there anyway. But

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Speaker 24: the key thing about gfree is it gives you a

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Speaker 24: lot of selection, and particularly in cosmetics and perfumery, you

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Speaker 24: won't find that level of selection in general retail.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. But is it as

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Speaker 3: cheap as it should be? I guess is the question?

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Speaker 3: And there's anyone watching, I mean, what laws do you

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Speaker 3: have to follow on and bide buy if you are

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Speaker 3: in the airport.

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Speaker 24: Well, look that'd be a question for Auckland Airport. But

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Speaker 24: what you will find, also, Ryan, is that the product

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Speaker 24: sizes are often different than you buy a normal retail

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Speaker 24: so it's sometimes quite hard to compare at light for like.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Chris, thank you very much for that. Chris wal

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Speaker 3: consents Retail Group with US nine minutes after six News

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Speaker 3: talks the b Just as an example for you this afternoon,

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Speaker 3: if I get a fifty million bottle of Mark Jacobs

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Speaker 3: daisy eed toilet, you can imagine it's pronounced something quite

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Speaker 3: different than that. Anyway, it would cost me one hundred

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Speaker 3: and nineteen dollars duty free now, because you've got to

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Speaker 3: pay your import duty if you get it outside. So

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Speaker 3: you would think it would be more expensive on the

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Speaker 3: art side, but apparently not. Apparently you can get that

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Speaker 3: same bottle of perfume from Chemists Warehouse at only eighty

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Speaker 3: nine dollars ninety nine. So, and I've noticed that when

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Speaker 3: you get your Chemist's Warehouse catalog or your bargain Chemist's

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Speaker 3: Warehouse catalog, whatever it is, you will notice that they

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Speaker 3: have a whole bunch of perfumes that's like really good brands.

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Speaker 3: It seemed to be really really cheap, cheaper than you

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Speaker 3: would get them at the airport, So then you think,

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Speaker 3: why would you bother buying them at the airport. I

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Speaker 3: guess it's the range, as Chris said, it is. Ten

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Speaker 3: minutes after six, News Talk, said B. Brad Elson.

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Speaker 1: Next, it's the Heather dupas Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Heart Radio empowered by News Talks.

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Speaker 3: EBB News TALKSB thirteen minutes after six. The sheep and

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Speaker 3: beef farmers absolutely fizzing with confidence. Apparently it is the

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Speaker 3: third consecutive positive sentiments survey for them from them in

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Speaker 3: a row. Obviously, so Jamie McKay he's with the country,

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Speaker 3: he'll be with us to break down exactly what's behind

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Speaker 3: that and what it means. This is the Rabobank Rural

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Speaker 3: confidence of what it means for the sector, what it

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Speaker 3: means for some of those results that we're seeing coming

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Speaker 3: through as well. Thirteen after six. Now rich for renters.

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Speaker 3: We're hearing reports that landlords are trying to secure new

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Speaker 3: tenants by offering them grocery vouchers or a week's free

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Speaker 3: rent to lure them in. This comes as trade me

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Speaker 3: stats show the number of new rental listings in Auckland

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Speaker 3: was up thirty four percent in February compared to a

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Speaker 3: year ago. Last week on Friday, actually we told you

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Speaker 3: about rents coming down in the main centers in Auckland

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Speaker 3: and in Wellington in particular. Brad Olston is the Informetric's

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Speaker 3: principal economist. Brad Hello, good evening. So it sounds like

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Speaker 3: affordability potentially getting a bit better for renters. We had

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Speaker 3: that seek data out last week and now we've got

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Speaker 3: this story about incentives being offered.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, it does certainly seem like there's a bit more

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Speaker 25: opportunity out there when it comes to the rental market.

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Speaker 25: People who are still in their rents that you know

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Speaker 25: they signed up a while ago. It's not like you

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Speaker 25: can easily negotiate your rent to go low with your

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Speaker 25: existing landlord. But for people who are casting about for

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Speaker 25: a rental at the moment, there does seem to be

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Speaker 25: generally a fair bit more choice going on and a

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Speaker 25: bit of downward pressure in some areas on rent prices

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Speaker 25: because well, there's just not quite as much demand and

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Speaker 25: there's now more people who are offering how to rent

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Speaker 25: than there are people who are looking to rent, at

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Speaker 25: least in the short term.

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Speaker 3: Why has it gone up so much in Auckland in particular,

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Speaker 3: trade me reckons that listings up thirty four percent in

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Speaker 3: February compared to a year ago. I mean, is that

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Speaker 3: just seasonal stuff or is this something going on here?

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Speaker 25: I think there's some underlying trends coming through because you're

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Speaker 25: seeing not quite the same degree, but you're seeing that

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Speaker 25: sort of similar trend emerging in Wellington. I know that

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Speaker 25: the flat that I currently rent, you know, if it

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Speaker 25: was relisted today, we wouldn't be paying nearly as much

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Speaker 25: as we currently are. So there's definitely a feeling that

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Speaker 25: there's both a bit of supply and demand going on here.

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Speaker 25: You've got a few more people that are going Look,

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Speaker 25: I'm obviously wanting to list my house on the market

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Speaker 25: to try and get some people in, and that's probably

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Speaker 25: because of where mortgage rates and similar have been. But

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Speaker 25: I think it's just as important that you've got again

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Speaker 25: the fact that when it comes to New Zealand, as

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Speaker 25: having left the country and similar again, that level of

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Speaker 25: demand is just not quite as there as it was before.

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Speaker 25: You've got more people now who are not looking to

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Speaker 25: rent for whatever reason, and all of a sudden there's

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Speaker 25: more rentals on the market. Both of those I think

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Speaker 25: are linked, but overall they mean that there are a

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Speaker 25: few more deals to be done and a lot of

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Speaker 25: landlords who are going Actually, I need to figure out

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Speaker 25: how to fill the space, because it's not like before

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Speaker 25: when as a landlord, people walked into your house and said,

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Speaker 25: you know, please pick me, and you had a bidding war.

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Speaker 25: Now it's more of a how do I make sure

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Speaker 25: I've got a rent of that can fit in?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Interesting, Brad, thank you very much for that. Brad

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Speaker 3: Alsen on the rent is sixteen minutes after six Ryan

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Speaker 3: a click update on the astronauts. I said, we would

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Speaker 3: only come back to those two astronauts if we actually

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Speaker 3: had any news to deliver you. They are in the capsule,

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Speaker 3: the SpaceX capsule coming back to Earth. We can confirm,

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Speaker 3: and we can confirm they are in the capsule. So

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Speaker 3: has the capsule left the space station yet?

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Speaker 11: I'm looking at a picture of what looks like a

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Speaker 11: capsule floating by itself in space. So either that's happened

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Speaker 11: or the ISS has just lost one of the other

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Speaker 11: empty capsules. So either way, it's been used.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I think it sounds like they're in there.

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Speaker 11: They're in the little no one's screaming like on the

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Speaker 11: on the what do you call it the radio on

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Speaker 11: the commons, So I think it's probably the first one.

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Speaker 3: There's no paniced voices. That's good, all right. So we

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Speaker 3: have two astronauts who were stuck in space together for

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Speaker 3: nine months on an unscheduled, prolonged visit to the International

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Speaker 3: Space Station, now coming back to Earth. You know, I

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Speaker 3: was thinking, just as we were discussing with John Bolton

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Speaker 3: the war with Ukraine. It's just wondering to myself those

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Speaker 3: two people coming back down to Earth. You know, they're

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Speaker 3: coming back to a ceasefire that's just broken down in

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Speaker 3: the Middle East, to war that's still raging in Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: I wonder with the perspective that they had from up

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Speaker 3: there in space, where if we send all of our

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Speaker 3: leaders up there, would anything change?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 3: Nine two the number of text Jamie McKay he's a

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Speaker 3: thoughtful man. You might have an answer for us, Host

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Speaker 3: of the Country and is here next.

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Speaker 1: The Rural Report with MSD Animal Health, home of world

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Speaker 1: leading animal identification.

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Speaker 3: It is six twenty on News Talks here b Jamie

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Speaker 3: MacKaye as Host of the Countries with me tonight. Hi Jamie.

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Speaker 3: Good ay, Ryan, good to have you back. Now the

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Speaker 3: government changes, the price is looking pretty good, and we've

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Speaker 3: got sentiment up for our sheep and beef farmers.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 26: Look, this is the first Rabobank Rural Confidence survey of

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Speaker 26: twenty twenty five, and it's following on from a couple

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Speaker 26: of better ones. Remember we were almost at rock bottom

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Speaker 26: at the middle of last year, so we've bounced three

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Speaker 26: in a row. This one, interestingly, Ryan, is at a

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Speaker 26: really good level. Plus forty four percent of farmers confident.

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Speaker 26: This is the second highest net confidence in the last decade,

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Speaker 26: since twenty seventeen, when we had a plus fifty two number.

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Speaker 2: This one's being.

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Speaker 26: Driven, interestingly by sheep and beef farmers who have seen

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Speaker 26: record prices for beef, vastly improved prices for lamb and mutton.

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Speaker 26: Mind you, they could be better. Wool stare no good

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Speaker 26: or not strong, walls not very good at all. So

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Speaker 26: the sheep and beef farmers are driving the confidence in

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Speaker 26: this one. The last survey of last year was driven

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Speaker 26: by the dairy farmers. Now reasons for farmers being confident

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Speaker 26: no surprise here, higher commodity prices sixty two percent falling

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Speaker 26: interest rates twenty two percent. They're just going down more slowly,

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Speaker 26: perhaps than farmers wanted. For those who were feeling a

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Speaker 26: bit negative, the old hardy annual government intervention and policies

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Speaker 26: thirty seven percent. Although to be fair, Ryan, this government

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Speaker 26: couldn't be much more farmer friendly if they tried. And

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Speaker 26: the one that I would have thought would have been

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Speaker 26: the highest was rising input prices at thirty three percent.

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Speaker 26: So look, we'll take this one. I know Rabobank pretty

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Speaker 26: toughed with it, and I think the government will be

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Speaker 26: pretty chuffed with it. The farmers are, but unfortunately for

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Speaker 26: the farmers and the government, there's not enough of them

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Speaker 26: to vote the government in or out.

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Speaker 3: That's right, Hey, another global do trade option tonight. We're

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Speaker 3: doing it to come back and pair back a little bit.

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Speaker 26: Well, that's what my man and says. I'll give them

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Speaker 26: a shameless plug ahead of commodities Mike McIntyre one or

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Speaker 26: two percent fall. If we do get that'll be get

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Speaker 26: a result like that. It'll be a third relatively small

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Speaker 26: fall in a row. But it's been pretty damn good,

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Speaker 26: and we know that the banks and Fonterra are all

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Speaker 26: sitting at ten dollars payouts for this season. But importantly,

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Speaker 26: darien z came out and said they're now forecasting for

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Speaker 26: the twenty five twenty six season, ie next season, ten

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Speaker 26: dollars as well. In fact, they're that they're thrown out.

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Speaker 26: Ten dollars thirteen is their forecast milk price. Their forecast

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Speaker 26: milk price for this season is ten dollars four. Interestingly,

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Speaker 26: in the past twenty five years, whenever we've had a

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Speaker 26: record milk price, we've never followed it, We've never backed

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Speaker 26: it up with another good one. So maybe we can

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Speaker 26: break the curse of the record milk price. So and

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Speaker 26: you know, well, ten dollars sounds wonderful, and historically it

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Speaker 26: will be a record. The problem with business or farm

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Speaker 26: or anything, it's just the cost of running things these

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Speaker 26: days is pretty expensive. So for your ten dollars thirteen

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Speaker 26: for next season, it's going to cost you eight dollars

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Speaker 26: fifty seven to produce that milk. So there is a

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Speaker 26: margin there, perhaps not the best margin in the past

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Speaker 26: ten years. I think that would be twenty thirteen fourteen. Similarly,

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01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 26: for this year, darien Zetta saying just over ten dollars

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01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 26: ten dollars four, eight dollars fifty four, very similar figures

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01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 26: to produce that milk. So once again, those are reasonable margins,

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01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 26: certainly better than we've had in recent years. And the

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Speaker 26: futures market just to take it off, currently sitting at

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01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 26: ten dollars fifteen for this season. They're still down at

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01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 26: nine forty five for next season. But there's a lot

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01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 26: of water to go under the bridge or milk to

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01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 26: go through the vat before we worry about twenty five

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01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 26: twenty six.

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Speaker 3: Ryan, Yeah, good point, Jamie, Thank you for that. Host

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01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 3: of the country here on News Talk, here'd be Jamie McKay.

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01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:56,440
Speaker 3: It is twenty four minutes.

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Speaker 2: Alfter six, Ryan Bridge.

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Speaker 3: It's an interesting thing to think about. For all of

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01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 3: the regulation and all of the red tape and all

1521
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:07,719
Speaker 3: of the hand ringing that went on with the last government.

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01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:10,760
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that, you know, greenhouse gases aren't

1523
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:14,680
Speaker 3: a problem, blah blah blah blah blah, disclaimers, disclaimers, But

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01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 3: for all of that, what did we actually achieve, Like,

1525
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 3: how is the world actually different under national with farmers

1526
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 3: than it was under labor with farmers Aside from the

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01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 3: fact that they were being squeezed from within an inch

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01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 3: of their lives is the planet worse. I don't know

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01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 3: that we can say that it is just because Nationals

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01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 3: and government in charge of the farmers, you know what

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01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 3: I mean. They've kept the they've kept the carbon neutral bill,

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01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:46,040
Speaker 3: the twenty fifty thing. They're just going to go about

1533
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 3: it a different way. I mean, Labor didn't have agriculture

1534
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 3: in the emissions trading scheme. National doesn't either, though they

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01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 3: might find themselves ending up there one day. In fact,

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01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 3: they probably will end up there one day soon. But

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01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 3: all of that sort of control, all of that red tape,

1538
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 3: and all of the hoops that you had to jump

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01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 3: through for what what did we get? What did we

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01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 3: gain as a planet, as a people, other than a

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01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 3: bunch of angry farmers. Well, you know with pitchforks through Mournsville,

1542
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:20,639
Speaker 3: which is not exactly something that you want. Ryan London

1543
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:23,760
Speaker 3: is about Judy free London. Duty free is worth the

1544
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 3: hike back to New Zealand. But Auckland is a waste

1545
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 3: of time. It's really just the gst off. You can

1546
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 3: get better discounts at everyday retail. I think so too.

1547
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 3: I certainly don't hold out for you know, I don't

1548
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 3: specifically go and buy anything at duty free myself, because

1549
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:42,800
Speaker 3: I just don't think it's that much cheaper. A friend

1550
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 3: of mine got the pair of headphones and I think

1551
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 3: saved four or five dollars on a pair of headphones.

1552
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:48,799
Speaker 2: I mean.

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01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:52,680
Speaker 3: Yeah to me, to me, it's it's not the end

1554
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:54,640
Speaker 3: of the world. I'll just get them down at my

1555
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 3: local shop, Thank you very much. News Talk said be

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01:20:57,600 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 3: nine two nine two. The number to text coming up

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01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 3: after the new is at six thirty. We're going to

1558
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 3: go to Paul Bloxham get the latest out of Australia.

1559
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 3: End of Brady is in the UK for us now

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01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 3: he'll update us on the Putin Trump's phone call that's

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01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 3: due to take place tonight. Marco Rubio of course face

1562
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:18,839
Speaker 3: to face with Winston Peter's tomorrow morning, so Mike Cosking

1563
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 3: will be across that tomorrow morning. Also we'll have the

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01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 3: mop up here on Drive. King Charles has met the

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01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 3: new Canadian Prime Minister. And now there is a number.

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01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 3: Thought is the monarchy, you know, the whole world's everyone's

1567
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 3: feeling quite adrift and desparate from one another. The monarchy

1568
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 3: always brings us back together, doesn't it. So we'll talk

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01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 3: to end of Brady about that before top of the.

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Speaker 1: R everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the Business

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01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 1: Hour with Ryan Bridge and THEIRS, Insurance and investments, grew

1572
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 1: your wealth, Protect your future news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be.

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Speaker 3: Twenty five away from seven. The two astronauts stuck in

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01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 3: space they are on their way home. We can confirm,

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01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 3: which is fantastic news. The length of time they spent

1577
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 3: in space two hundred and eighty six days, and that

1578
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 3: is a lot longer than they anticipated to be there. However,

1579
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 3: is still much less than the world record, which is

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01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 3: four hundred and thirty seven days in orbit that is

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01:22:56,600 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 3: held by a Russian cosmonaut. Twenty five to seven Bridge.

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01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:06,560
Speaker 3: The OCD has revised down its expectations for the global economy.

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01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 3: This is thanks to Trump's tariff trade three t's get

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01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 3: it out, Ryan Trump's trade tariffs. Canada and Mexico are

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01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:21,200
Speaker 3: forecast to see the biggest impact Canada's growth. That outlook

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01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:24,719
Speaker 3: has been halved. Mexico is expected to plunge into a recession.

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Speaker 3: The US is also expected to take a hit. Paul

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Speaker 3: Bloxham is HSBC's chief economisties with US now Hi Paul

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01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:34,600
Speaker 3: good eight. So what do you make of this OECD

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01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 3: analysis as a stack up.

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Speaker 15: Well, the idea that it's downside risk for global growth

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Speaker 15: lifting trade tariffs and the trade tensions that are out

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01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 15: there is certainly makes sense. And the way they've calibrated

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01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 15: that in terms of their forecasts is to lower their

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01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 15: forecast the most for countries that have seen the biggest changes,

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Speaker 15: so Canada Mexico.

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Speaker 3: These are two.

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Speaker 15: Countries where there have already been tariffs announced and there

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Speaker 15: are more in trained. So it makes sense that they've

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Speaker 15: revised down their global growth story on the back of

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Speaker 15: the policy changes we've seen.

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Speaker 3: We could see further revision down right, because I mean

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01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 3: we haven't even got to April second yet, which is

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Speaker 3: when the President will formally sort of announce what he's

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Speaker 3: doing with all tariffs. Well, that's right, we're only part

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01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:20,599
Speaker 3: way through the process.

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Speaker 15: We've seen a whole lot of action already most but

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01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 15: there is still more to come, as you say, so,

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Speaker 15: they're flagging, the administration has been flagging that on the

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Speaker 15: first of April there'll be more a larger collection of

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Speaker 15: possible changes to trade policy from the US And in

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Speaker 15: that basket of things that they're talking about, they're talking

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Speaker 15: about the idea of potentially using what are called reciprocal tariffs.

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Speaker 3: So the idea is.

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Speaker 15: That you look at how every other country's got its

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Speaker 15: trade policy set with the US, and then potentially the

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Speaker 15: US matches that. So that would be a large set

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01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:55,680
Speaker 15: of changes that would potentially.

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Speaker 6: Come into play.

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Speaker 15: But there are other things in the works as well, certainly,

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01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 15: and so watching out for what happens on the first

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01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 15: and second of April is certainly important.

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Speaker 3: Australia is also speak to take ahead on these OECD

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Speaker 3: numbers by how much.

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01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 15: Not very much for twenty twenty five, although they have

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Speaker 15: revised down their growth forecast for twenty six. I mean,

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Speaker 15: I think Australia is less in the firing line in

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Speaker 15: the scheme of things because I think most of Australia's

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01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:26,759
Speaker 15: Australia's trade share with the US is actually not that large,

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Speaker 15: so only four point six percent of Australia's exports go

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Speaker 15: to the US directly. But the bigger effect on Australia

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Speaker 15: is potentially going to come through the impact that any

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Speaker 15: of these sorts of policy changes has on Australia's trading partners,

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Speaker 15: mostly in Asia, and of course what that means for

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Speaker 15: growth in China and the Asian economies more generally, and

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Speaker 15: they are obviously becoming subject to some of these policy

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Speaker 15: these policy shifts. The thing I think that's worth keeping

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01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 15: in mind, though, as we saw yesterday and over the weekend,

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01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:58,439
Speaker 15: is that the Chinese policymakers are also very well aware

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Speaker 15: of this, and they've already started to take action to

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01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:05,639
Speaker 15: support China's growth in the face of right the ratcheting

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01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 15: up trade policy tensions. They've announced this thirty point plan

1643
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 15: to support the consumer and as a result of that,

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01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 15: I think that's going to provide support for China's growth.

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01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:18,599
Speaker 15: So that would be a positive or an offsetting effect

1646
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 15: for Australia and for New Zealand as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to ask you about China because

1648
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:24,719
Speaker 3: you've obviously we had those numbers out for January February

1649
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 3: showing their exports were well, not as much as they

1650
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 3: would have liked. Their imports were down I think eight

1651
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 3: percent for that month. But then, as you say, you've

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01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 3: got the stimulus, you've also got the retail sales data

1653
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 3: out which was slightly better than expected. How's China looking

1654
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 3: to you?

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01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:43,400
Speaker 2: Well, So the broad.

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01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 15: Sweep of numbers we got yesterday were a bit better

1657
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:48,559
Speaker 15: on average than was expected. So across the production numbers,

1658
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:50,680
Speaker 15: the retail figures, the investment numbers, they were all a

1659
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:52,880
Speaker 15: bit better than expected. But the main thing is we've

1660
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 15: also seen stronger policy support announced in this form of

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01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:00,639
Speaker 15: this Special Action Plan to boost consumption as the Chinese

1662
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 15: referred to it, and it's a big plan with a

1663
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:05,240
Speaker 15: lot of different measures, mainly aimed at trying to lift

1664
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 15: household incomes. And as a result of that, HSBC has

1665
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 15: actually we've revised up our growth forecast for China for

1666
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:13,840
Speaker 15: twenty twenty five. We now think growth will be four

1667
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 15: point eight percent. We previously thought it would be four

1668
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:18,680
Speaker 15: and a half. So we're taking action with our own

1669
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:21,160
Speaker 15: forecasts on the back of the fact that the policymakers

1670
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 15: are stepping up and providing more more stimulus.

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01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 3: And that's what's important.

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01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:27,440
Speaker 15: I think that's the fundamental thing that's important for Australia

1673
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 15: and New Zealand.

1674
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:30,520
Speaker 6: We are more tied to the Asia.

1675
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:32,760
Speaker 15: Story and the China story than we are to what

1676
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 15: happens directly out out of the US, and so if

1677
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:39,200
Speaker 15: there are policy measures like this delivered, which is what

1678
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 15: we're getting, that's going to be positive a support for

1679
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 15: Australia and New Zealand's trade with China, so that's a

1680
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:46,599
Speaker 15: big offsetting feature.

1681
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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you to the CCP. Now, the New Zealand

1682
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 3: GDP figure this is four quarter to four last year.

1683
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 3: Is this Thursday, most people saying will recover. Yep, we've

1684
01:27:57,360 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 3: got that in mind as well.

1685
01:27:58,200 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 6: We've got a consensus.

1686
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 15: Actually we're in line with consensus with a point four

1687
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 15: percentage point a percent rise in in the quarter q

1688
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:06,639
Speaker 15: on Q. Now, the year on year number would still

1689
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 15: be falling quite strongly on the back of that. But

1690
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 15: I do think that you're in the beginnings, and we

1691
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 15: talked about this when we spoke last time. We're in

1692
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 15: the beginnings of an upswing in New Zealand, and I

1693
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 15: think there are two key tailwinds that are really going

1694
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:21,639
Speaker 15: to help you out. The first one is that interest

1695
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:23,639
Speaker 15: rates are coming down, and they've come down a lot

1696
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 15: already and they'll probably come down further yet. So you've

1697
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 15: given there's been one hundred and seventy five basis points

1698
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:30,439
Speaker 15: of easing already and we think there's probably three.

1699
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 2: More cuts to come.

1700
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 15: So that's a lot of monetary policy easing.

1701
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 6: To support the domestic economy.

1702
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 15: And the other tailwind is that dairy prices and meat

1703
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:40,360
Speaker 15: prices are high and that's giving you a tailwind from

1704
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:43,640
Speaker 15: the terms of trade boosting national income. So that combination

1705
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 15: we think will lift growth more this year. And the

1706
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 15: Q four print which we get this week is the

1707
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:52,360
Speaker 15: beginnings of that upswing led by the consumer.

1708
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:53,679
Speaker 6: That's what we're expecting.

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01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:55,680
Speaker 3: Long mate, continue, Paul, Thank you very much for that.

1710
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:58,719
Speaker 3: Paul Bloxham, HSBC Chief Economists here on whose talk zib

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Speaker 3: It is nineteen minutes away from seven. We'll go to

1712
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:02,880
Speaker 3: the UK with Into Brady next.

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Speaker 3: joining us. The ceasefire, the fragile ceasefire in the Middle

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Speaker 3: East over Gaza appears to be faltering right now. We've

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01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 3: got rockets being fired from Israel. We've got accusations that

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Speaker 3: Hamas is not releasing hostages as they were supposed to

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Speaker 3: under the ceasefire agreement. So a very fragile situation. In

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Speaker 3: the Middle East. Meanwhile, over in Europe Ukraine, the war continues,

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Speaker 3: and we have Donald Trump and we have Vladimir Putin

1724
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:48,720
Speaker 3: having a call tonight our time, hopefully to get the

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Speaker 3: Russians to agree to the peace deal that the US

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Speaker 3: is broken, that Ukraine has already agreed to. That's the

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Speaker 3: goal of the meeting. Into Brady's UK correspondents with US tonight.

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Speaker 6: Hey Enda, Hey Ryan, Good speak to you again.

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Speaker 3: Good to speak to you too. So these two leaders

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01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:06,559
Speaker 3: are going to speak tonight and we're hoping to get

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Speaker 3: some resolution. What's the feeling over your way of whether

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Speaker 3: we might.

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Speaker 6: I think the overwhelming emotion in today is one of fear,

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01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 6: because this is the phone call where they will effectively

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01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:23,559
Speaker 6: be carving up Ukrainian land and assets and deciding who

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01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:28,520
Speaker 6: gets what now. We haven't seen any intimation from Vladimir

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01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:32,360
Speaker 6: Putin that he will bend or he will concede anything.

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01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:35,719
Speaker 6: Everything seems to be very much on his terms. Trump

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01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:38,240
Speaker 6: seems to be very much on his side. He has

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01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 6: already told Zelenski he holds no cards whatsoever. We've seen

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01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 6: that said to his face in the White House. So

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Speaker 6: this is not a negotiation. A lot of people in

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01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 6: Europe are just worried today that this will be effectively

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01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:54,960
Speaker 6: handing Putin exactly what he wants, and once he gets

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01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 6: what he wants in Ukraine, the big question everyone else

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01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 6: in Europe has is what next? Quite what will you

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01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:01,639
Speaker 6: stop at?

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Speaker 21: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: And I guess I mean there'll be some around the

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01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:08,880
Speaker 3: world who'll say, well, Europe, this is sort of in

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01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:13,000
Speaker 3: a way, you're own making too, because you educated your

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01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 3: own responsibilities. And I don't mean you enda, you know

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01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 3: that you're educated its own responsibilities for securing its defense capabilities.

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01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker 3: And therefore you know, when someone like Trump comes along

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01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 3: and takes America out of the picture, well this happens, Well, I'd.

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Speaker 6: Have issues with that because I think Germany and the

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01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 6: UK have stepped up. There has been huge support militarily

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01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:42,599
Speaker 6: financially in terms of training soldiers as well, certainly from

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01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:46,040
Speaker 6: the UK. The Germans have given more than anyone else

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01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:48,479
Speaker 6: in Europe. So Europe has done as much as it can.

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01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:51,880
Speaker 6: Certainly some countries could have done more. But I think

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01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:54,800
Speaker 6: today will be a very sad day if this pans out.

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Speaker 6: As people are expecting that a phone call goals from

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01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:02,520
Speaker 6: Trump to Putin. Many people questioning that relationship stroke friendship,

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01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:06,720
Speaker 6: and Putin, having waged three years of an illegal war,

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Speaker 6: gets exactly what he wants. So basically today will be

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01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:13,800
Speaker 6: all about dividing up Ukraine's land and who gets the

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01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:18,040
Speaker 6: power stations. And I don't see anything that will come

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01:32:18,040 --> 01:32:20,719
Speaker 6: out with this phone call that will make Putin think

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01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:24,679
Speaker 6: I can stop now. I mean, you know the huge

1771
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:27,200
Speaker 6: theories that we're in a Neville Chamberlaine moment, and we

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01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:30,160
Speaker 6: get Trump tonight waving a little bit of white paper

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01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:32,800
Speaker 6: saying that he's got peace in our time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go to King Charles. He's had a meeting

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01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:38,879
Speaker 3: with the new Canadian Prime minister.

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Speaker 2: What's se for?

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Speaker 6: Well, check out what he wore, a white shirt and

1778
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:46,559
Speaker 6: a red tie on King Charles of Canada when he

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01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:50,120
Speaker 6: met Mark Carney. So look, they know each other. Carney

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01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:52,559
Speaker 6: was Governor of the Bank of England for almost seven

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01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 6: years here, so he is very much embedded in British

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01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:59,519
Speaker 6: life and the establishment here, and he has many friends

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01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:02,519
Speaker 6: in Europe. And Carney's whistle stop tour took him to

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01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:05,720
Speaker 6: Paris first and then London, so in the space of

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01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:08,000
Speaker 6: less than twenty four hours, he has spent time with

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Speaker 6: President Macron, Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister and King Charles.

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Speaker 6: So this is not a message to the Canadian people.

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01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:18,560
Speaker 6: This is a message to the White House because traditionally

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01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:23,400
Speaker 6: Canada's new Prime minister always makes his first foreign trip

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01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:27,280
Speaker 6: to Washington, DC. And this is what Mark Karney has done.

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01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 6: Make no mistake, he has huge support in Europe and

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01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 6: as was evidenced with the reception he got a Bookingham Palace.

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01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 6: King Charles very very much on side, wearing Canadian colors.

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Speaker 3: Interesting now the steps you've got on you hands on

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01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:47,600
Speaker 3: showing one in ten UK adults are on benefits for sickness.

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01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:49,400
Speaker 3: That is a massive number, is it not?

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01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:52,800
Speaker 6: It is and it's a huge talking point this week

1798
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:55,639
Speaker 6: as Kir Starmer tries to address the issues. So he's

1799
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:59,040
Speaker 6: saying that there's not the money there to support the

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01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:02,280
Speaker 6: welfare state and that he needs to shave and shave

1801
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:07,360
Speaker 6: is a loose definition. Ten billion dollars off benefits in

1802
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:10,519
Speaker 6: the UK and the stat has come out to back

1803
01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 6: up what the Prime Minister is doing that ultimately one

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01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 6: in ten adults of working age are getting some financial

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01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:21,000
Speaker 6: benefits for being on sick leave. Now, this has gone

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01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:23,800
Speaker 6: through the roof since COVID. I don't quite know how

1807
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:27,080
Speaker 6: he fixes it because a lot of people don't want

1808
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:30,400
Speaker 6: full time work. So we've got nine point two million

1809
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:34,439
Speaker 6: adults here doing nothing, contributing nothing as well, in addition

1810
01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:37,840
Speaker 6: to the one in ten on sick leave and benefits,

1811
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:41,640
Speaker 6: there's nine million who don't pay any tax, don't contribute,

1812
01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:45,080
Speaker 6: and everyone else is carrying them. So it's a huge,

1813
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 6: huge headache. But look, this is built up over many,

1814
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:50,640
Speaker 6: many years. Starmar is just the first to kind of

1815
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:52,840
Speaker 6: come along and say, okay, let's fix it. But we

1816
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:55,080
Speaker 6: haven't heard how or what the plan is.

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01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:59,240
Speaker 3: So these people on Welfia like government Welfia chicks or

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01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:02,040
Speaker 3: are they yes? Right? That's massive.

1819
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:06,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's costing billions and billions of dollars. And I think,

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01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:09,160
Speaker 6: you know, speak to people. This is a conversation down

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01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:12,040
Speaker 6: the pub. When you speak to people, the suspicion is

1822
01:35:12,120 --> 01:35:15,360
Speaker 6: an awful lot of people are swinging the lead. And

1823
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:18,080
Speaker 6: I'll probably get killed for saying this out loud on air.

1824
01:35:18,200 --> 01:35:22,280
Speaker 6: But mental health issues since COVID seem to be a

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01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:26,720
Speaker 6: major factor. And a lot of people are on benefits

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01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:30,680
Speaker 6: since COVID citing mental health reasons. And I think Starmar's

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01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:32,920
Speaker 6: government have looked at the sums and they've realized, you know,

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01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:35,920
Speaker 6: how can this have been so bad in the last

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01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:36,559
Speaker 6: three years?

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01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 2: And COVID is the issue.

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01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:41,519
Speaker 6: But how he can start telling people to go back

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01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:44,760
Speaker 6: to work if they're claiming they're genuinely ill. I just

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01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:47,479
Speaker 6: that's a conversation for you and your GP. I guess

1834
01:35:47,479 --> 01:35:50,160
Speaker 6: what stays behind closed doors stay behind closed doors. But

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01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:53,639
Speaker 6: Starmer has got a huge, huge problem on his hands here.

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01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:55,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the thank you very much to the ind

1837
01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:58,559
Speaker 3: of Brady, a UK correspondent, just gone nine minutes away

1838
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:03,360
Speaker 3: from seven. It's true after COVID everyone, everyone just turned

1839
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:06,240
Speaker 3: into a little sookie bubber. I don't want to go

1840
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:09,720
Speaker 3: to work and I've got the sniffles or you know,

1841
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:13,080
Speaker 3: I'm socially what's the new thing they say? I've got

1842
01:36:13,479 --> 01:36:16,800
Speaker 3: everyone's got ADHD. We know that everybody's got a little

1843
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:21,080
Speaker 3: bit of autism even though they don't. And social anxiety

1844
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:23,400
Speaker 3: that's the other one. I've got social anxiety. I can't

1845
01:36:23,479 --> 01:36:27,000
Speaker 3: leave the house. Come on, how many people had social

1846
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:31,599
Speaker 3: anxiety in nineteen ten? The same proportion of people should

1847
01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:34,519
Speaker 3: have social anxiety now you know what I mean. It's

1848
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:36,240
Speaker 3: Nonsense nine to seven.

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Speaker 3: for being with me today. You have to say, with

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Speaker 3: this the talk going on, talks going on between the

1857
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:07,200
Speaker 3: Russians and the Americans tonight. This is their phone call

1858
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:11,160
Speaker 3: between Putin and Trump, you have to hope for a ceasefire.

1859
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:14,120
Speaker 3: I mean, it's no good sitting there wringing your hands saying, oh,

1860
01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:16,120
Speaker 3: well we could have you know, we should be getting

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Speaker 3: this or we should be getting that. The first porter

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Speaker 3: call is to put down the guns, surely, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: And then you start to think about, Okay, what's next,

1864
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:27,760
Speaker 3: what does he want? What are we willing to give up?

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01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:30,840
Speaker 3: What are the Ukrainians actually willing to give up? Who's

1866
01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:33,360
Speaker 3: willing to put up the money and the resource for

1867
01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:39,200
Speaker 3: the backstop? I mean, otherwise you just keep fighting indefinitely, basically,

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01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:41,679
Speaker 3: don't you. That's what's been happening for the last three

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