1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,559 Speaker 1: Afternoon. The government's announced it's relaxing fuel rules to allow 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Ossie grade fuel into New Zealand as we deal with 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: the Iran related crisis. The Associate Energy Minister Shane Jones 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: is with US now. 5 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 2: High Shane Hi afternoon. 6 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: So what's the difference between our standards and the Australian standards. 7 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: Well, basically, they actually have a host of standards that 8 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 2: in some respects are a little bit more stringent than ours. 9 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: But what we've tried to do is harmonize them so 10 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 2: that when they, for example, bring a big one hundred 11 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 2: and twenty million liter vessel into Australia, we can piggyback 12 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 2: on it as well. One area that we're not going 13 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 2: to touch, which has excited some elements of the motorist community, 14 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 2: is the level of sulfur in the fuel. There's a 15 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 2: fear that if we get that wrong there could be 16 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 2: some problems with some of the flash European vehicles. But 17 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 2: by this harmonization, we open up and widen the scope 18 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 2: to get fuel for New Zealand and Australia with the 19 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 2: same specification from a wider range of sources. 20 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: Is it wrong for us to say it's duty of fuel. 21 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that it's becoming of you, one 22 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 2: of leading leading broadcasters in the entirety of my life 23 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 2: and I was born in nineteen fifty nine to talk 24 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 2: about our Ossie compatriots in such a tortry way. 25 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: All right, what is this actually? So the point of 26 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: this is not so much that we get the same 27 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 1: we feel from the same places as Australia, but rather 28 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 1: that we're able to get it from Australia. Is that right? 29 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean basically fuel dedicated to Australia. If we 30 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 2: were going to be slavishly technical, it may not have 31 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: been able to come to New Zealand because of the 32 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: finicky differences. But those differences are so insubstantial that we're 33 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: going to harmonize. It's temporary, but obviously the PM on 34 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: various other occasions has talked about how it's overdue for 35 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: harmonization between Ossie and Kiwi, and who knows, could very 36 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: well become permanent. 37 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: But Shane, are we not actually ourselves in a bit 38 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: position fuel wise than Australia. So the chance is at 39 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: least for now, of us needing to get Australian fuel 40 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: a kind of slim, isn't it. 41 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I spoke on behalf of the NZED government 42 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 2: with all of the energy ministers from Australia last Friday 43 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 2: and it was evident to me that because we started 44 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 2: a tad earlier than them, and we've worked day by 45 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 2: day with the transportation community, the primary sector community, critical 46 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: services and the oil companies, that were slightly ahead of 47 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: our Aussie compatriots in terms of our preparedness, but they're bigger, 48 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 2: they have far more heft in terms of dealing with 49 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 2: the rest of the world. But you know, I want 50 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 2: your listeners to bear in mind, on a good day, 51 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 2: we're probably thirty million people at the end of the 52 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 2: railway track. So we've got to work together because we're 53 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: dealing with some huge oil companies here, and not the 54 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 2: least of which is Exon. 55 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 1: So is this you preparing not for this crisis to 56 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: be a short lived thing, but actually way in the 57 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: future potentially needing to get some oil and some fuel 58 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: from Australia. This is a longer term thing, isn't it. 59 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's both a punt and a hedge, 60 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: but I really think it's important everyone beyond mine, we 61 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 2: can come up with a whole bunch of demand restraint 62 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: measures and towards the end of the week, Nikla and 63 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 2: I will talk about that. But it's better we put 64 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 2: our effort into securing supply. Then we don't go We 65 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 2: don't need to go into any rationing. We don't need 66 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: to work out whether porkinos in Auckland or out of Auckland, 67 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 2: who wants to go back? That might Merriash to cinder 68 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 2: a durn reality. 69 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: Yeah too, right, Okay, this demand measure that you're talking about, 70 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: are you going to suggest that people work from home? 71 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: Well, without boring your listeners, there's four categories. When we 72 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 2: get to category three and four, then there's a whole 73 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: bunch of different interventions. Look, I don't want to race 74 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 2: towards people working from home because there's a lot of 75 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 2: blue collar people. They don't have the luxury to work 76 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 2: in the bureaucracy and poke their nonal honest chair at 77 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 2: home and work from home. They still have to catch 78 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 2: a bus, they still have to go to work. In 79 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: my heart's often with them. 80 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: Okay, Shane, thanks very much. Appreciate it that Shane Jones, 81 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: Associate Energy Minister, obviously asking that question. Because Australia is 82 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: moving closer to that. For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, 83 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: listen live to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, 84 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio