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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand Let's get connected.

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Speaker 2: New Stalk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. Coming up today,

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Speaker 3: the government's cracking down on beneficiaries who aren't following rules.

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Speaker 3: We're going to speak to the Minister Louise Upston. If

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Speaker 3: you wondered why it was that Pauline Hanner's niece recorded

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Speaker 3: her aunt and then played it to the Polkinghorn jury

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Speaker 3: last week, she explained today, we're going to go to

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Speaker 3: our reporter who was in court and the Wiggels are

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Speaker 3: coming here for a rave for babies this summer. I

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Speaker 3: will explain, Heather Duplicy Ellen, how about those Olympics. A

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Speaker 3: just last week here we were saying, oh, feeling a

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Speaker 3: little underwhelmed by them, and then we had what they're

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Speaker 3: called super duper Sunday and this is the first time

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Speaker 3: New Zealand's ever bagged three gold medals in a day

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Speaker 3: and suddenly everything turns around. Everybody is doing that thing

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Speaker 3: today where we're trying to pick the medal of the

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Speaker 3: Games for New Zealand, and honestly, I reckon you can't

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Speaker 3: go past Hamish Kurs gold in the high jump, can you.

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Speaker 3: I mean that one is obviously going to go down

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Speaker 3: in New Zealand history just for the drama of the thing. Remember,

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Speaker 3: Hamish Cur almost didn't even qualify for this final. He

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Speaker 3: only just got in. There was a very real chance

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Speaker 3: like the bullsiest gold, you can get gold in a

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Speaker 3: jump off. He could have and this is the thing

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Speaker 3: that I love the most about this particular medal. He

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Speaker 3: That's what they did four years ago when they had

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Speaker 3: a similar situation, and he and the other guy both

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Speaker 3: find out who actually was the real gold medalist between

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Speaker 3: the two of themselves. Now that's risky because in doing that,

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Speaker 3: golds to basically one guy gets gold, one guy gets silver.

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Speaker 3: And that must have been a real He must have

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Speaker 3: considered this, Hamish Kur and thought that could be me.

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Speaker 3: I could walk away with only a silver medal, and

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Speaker 3: of course the American wants to jump off, but it

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Speaker 3: is very against the Kiwig personality, isn't it to go

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Speaker 3: all out and do something like that. But Hamish Kurr

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Speaker 3: did it. Hamish Kurr won, and he got our first

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Speaker 3: I Reckon says a lot about how special it was

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Speaker 3: because there was some pretty tough competition and most like

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Speaker 3: most most obviously coming from Lisa Carrington, who got three

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Speaker 3: has got eight gold medals, which is more than any

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Speaker 3: other key we ever and that apparently counts now for

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Speaker 3: twelve percent of all of the gold medals that this

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Speaker 3: Lisa Carrington's neck. What a legend. And as I said

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: We end up being like kinda underwhelmed last week, and

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Speaker 3: Now to put that in perspective, between eighty eight and

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Speaker 3: We are number eleven. Just above us is Germany and Italy.

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Speaker 3: how good in the end, slow build Olympics, but one

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Speaker 3: sport very shortly now onto something different. Former Defense Minister

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Speaker 3: Andrew Little has weighed in on the old Orchist Agreement

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Speaker 3: Little's with us. Now, Hey, Andrew, why would it be reckless?

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Speaker 5: And I want to said, it will be reckless not

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Speaker 5: I actually said aucasas probably irrelevant because we're only going

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Speaker 5: our long standing trusted partners. Three of them happened to

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Speaker 5: we do need to upgrade our defense technology. There are

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Speaker 5: and the net respect UCUS is probably irrelevant.

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Speaker 3: Do you see any downside in signing up to ucas well?

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Speaker 5: But there's nothing to sign up to And this is

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Speaker 5: where you know, Winston Peters was right a few months

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Speaker 5: When I spoke to counterpart defense ministers, a year ago,

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Speaker 5: none of them could say actually what Aucus entail August

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Speaker 3: Let me just get this right. But you're basically answering

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Speaker 3: my question by saying it's hard for us to actually

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Speaker 3: know what the thing is just yet. We're only in

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Speaker 5: Is that right exactly?

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Speaker 5: And and the three Aucust planners can't tell us what

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Speaker 3: That information or do they just themselves not know yet?

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Speaker 5: Well a year ago that didn't know. They when I

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Speaker 5: it would mean from anybody else participating, I'm not sure

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Speaker 5: a lot has changed. If you listen to what Wiston

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Speaker 5: So like the submarine power of the whole deal is

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Speaker 3: What do you make of these people who say that

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Speaker 5: I don't. That's one of the point points us making

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Speaker 5: and so China is a threat. They might be the

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Speaker 3: To that to Are they a threat to New Zealand?

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Speaker 5: Yes, they are. They are threats generally because of the

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Speaker 5: way they conduct themselves. They don't care about international law,

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Speaker 5: They conduct cyber attexts, they use their diaspora in ways

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Speaker 5: that I know what the country does. That is a

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Speaker 5: We're sitting in the South China Sea, they can get aggressive.

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Speaker 5: That is the reality of China and we have to

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Speaker 3: What are they What is the biggest threat that we

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Speaker 5: That it could be any range of things. I mean,

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Speaker 5: and it says them to do so. That's the stuff

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Speaker 5: that we've got to be realistic that and means that

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Speaker 3: Andrew, when you say I strongly disagree with those who

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Speaker 3: Are you talking about Helen Clark and Don.

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Speaker 5: Bresh Well, I'm saying that or of anybody who says

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Speaker 3: And do you disagree with the stance that the current

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Speaker 5: I'm not quite sure what the stats is. They know

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Speaker 5: they've tried to foster a debate about it. Do they

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Speaker 3: It feels like Chippy and David Parker and the Labor

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Speaker 3: not doing anything very different to what you guys were

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Speaker 3: doing with August. Is that fair?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I think, Look, it's hard to know. So look, I

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Speaker 5: just think there are plenty of people who also say

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Speaker 5: examination of defense national securities. And I agree with that totally.

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Speaker 5: And you know, the governments that pronounced their defense capability

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Speaker 5: have a debate about them. We should have a debate

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Speaker 5: that debate is will informed.

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Speaker 3: Now, what you're saying is not particularly helpful to Labor

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Speaker 3: at the moment, given they are opposing anything to do

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Speaker 3: with August. So did you think about it? Are they

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, the point I've made is that I

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Speaker 5: Pillar two is about. So that's why I think the

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Speaker 5: is what are our defense and security threats and therefore,

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Speaker 5: what do we need to do about those? Where do

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Speaker 3: Andrew, it's good to talk to you. Thank you so much,

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Speaker 3: made Andrew Little, former Defense Minister Australia is going to

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c.

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Speaker 3: Hey with me right now, as Jason Pine, sports talk

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Speaker 3: hello head, before we get into the Olympics, what happened

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Speaker 7: What do they say? You win or you learn? Hopefully

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Speaker 3: Saturday that light out.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, those core roles are interesting a and they now

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Speaker 7: I wonder how you coach coach unforced eras out because

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Speaker 3: Focus on it for the fact that I was looking

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Speaker 7: And a sport that is, you know, global, truly global

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Speaker 7: So key we And I think that's right across really.

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Speaker 3: I loved it too, Hey Piney, thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: Enjoy it. Jason Pie and sportscook Coaster has done it

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Speaker 3: Hither the problem with the All Blacks is they're not

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Speaker 3: day for the taxpayers of New Zealand. Accountability has arrived

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Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

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Speaker 2: And news talk as that'd be.

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Speaker 3: The thing that I've done is funny. Hither it wasn't

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Speaker 3: Ukrainian troops have advanced thirty k's into Russia. Ukrainian MP

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Speaker 10: I am grateful to every unit of the defense forces

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Speaker 3: The Aussie federal government has proposed new laws to clean

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Speaker 3: Oliver Peterson sixty hour Perth Life presented, Hey, Ollie.

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Speaker 12: Get our hair?

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Speaker 13: They gee the Kiwis did well at the Olympics, better

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Speaker 3: What about Ray Gunn?

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Speaker 1: What a joke?

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Speaker 3: Listen, I was a serious question. Yes, what a joke. Absolutely,

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Speaker 3: But how did you guys peck her to do the

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Speaker 3: breakdancing for you? What happened?

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Speaker 13: Because we didn't have a federation of breakdancers in Australia,

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Speaker 13: so it wasn't recognized.

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Speaker 12: So she set it up. It's a con job and

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Speaker 12: the Australian.

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Speaker 3: Olympic herself up as the person.

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Speaker 12: Correct.

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Speaker 13: I mean, there are bloody good breakdancers here in Australia,

447
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Speaker 13: but she set up the international or the Australian Federation,

448
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Speaker 13: which was rubber stamped by the Olympic Committee here in Australia,

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Speaker 13: and all of a sudden she's in Paris making a

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Speaker 13: fool of herself.

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Speaker 12: It's just embarrassing.

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Speaker 3: I mean to tell me that she put herself ahead

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Speaker 3: of actually good breakdancers in your country to do that

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Speaker 3: kangaroo routine.

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Speaker 13: There because they didn't nominate themselves for the trials, so

456
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Speaker 13: there were three in the women's division and they finished

457
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Speaker 13: thirty seven, thirty eight and.

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Speaker 12: Forty out of the forty people who competed in the heat.

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Speaker 12: So it's just embarrassing, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: She deserves all of the crap that she's getting. I

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Speaker 3: do not feel sorry for her. Okay, now listen, how

462
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Speaker 3: are we going to clean up this union?

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Speaker 13: Well, that's going to require Greens and or coalition support

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Speaker 13: which will not be forthcoming. So you hear Murray what

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Speaker 13: they're in the world wise indicate that he wants to

466
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Speaker 13: come in and bring in that administrator, says the Employment Minister.

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Speaker 13: But the coalition's going to hold out here and they're

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Speaker 13: going to try and force the hand of the government

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Speaker 13: which is currently sitting in Parliament today. They want to

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Speaker 13: bring back the Building Watchdog. So that is going to

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Speaker 13: be no sort of concession that's made by the opposition.

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Speaker 13: I don't think the Greens will come to the party

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Speaker 13: and support the government in their position here to bring

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Speaker 13: in the administrator.

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Speaker 12: There is calls for a royal but when you more

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Speaker 12: or less have a labor.

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Speaker 13: Aligned union now overseeing itself, you can understand why there

478
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Speaker 13: are big questions being asked by the opposition and the Greens.

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Speaker 12: So good luck to Murray. What I don't think he'll

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Speaker 12: get the support from the cross bench, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Fair enough. Do we know what calls that chopper crash

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Speaker 3: and Cans.

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Speaker 13: We don't yet, but that blokus in the crash. Some

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Speaker 13: more information has come to the to light today. It

485
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Speaker 13: looks as though he's taking this chopper on a joy ride,

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Speaker 13: to be perfectly honest there in Cans, Heather. So I

487
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Speaker 13: don't think whether or not he was a qualified PILO, mean,

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Speaker 13: we could be.

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Speaker 12: It is still a terrible situation.

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Speaker 13: Because we're talking about lives being lost in this obviously

491
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Speaker 13: hitting a hotel and going up into flames, but we

492
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Speaker 13: could have been talking about something a lot more catastrophic

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Speaker 13: than we are. So those investigations continue. Of course, you

494
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Speaker 13: would have seen the pictures on the news services today

495
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Speaker 13: right around New Zealand and it is just quite spectacular

496
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Speaker 13: that is what has happened up in sleepy old Lovely Cairns.

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Speaker 3: Hey, so what's ebmb's argument for why it's not to

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Speaker 3: blame for the housing crisis.

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Speaker 13: Because they're saying this is just basically what Australians and

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Speaker 13: national tourists want to do these days. They just like

501
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Speaker 13: the flexibility of living or renting out for a short

502
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Speaker 13: term opportunity somebody's home or spare flat. Now, we do

503
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Speaker 13: see governments around the country at the moment looking to

504
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Speaker 13: try and clamp down on Airbnb, particularly in holiday hotspots.

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Speaker 13: There are some places like Byron Bay for example, in

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Speaker 13: New South Wales going to put in a cap between

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Speaker 13: thirty and ninety days. The New South Wales government, though,

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Speaker 13: Chris Mins, he is looking to bring in some pretty

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Speaker 13: strong legislation to restrict the number of days because quite simply, Heather,

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Speaker 13: we have a housing crisis and he's hoping by doing

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Speaker 13: that people then return those short term accommodation options into

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Speaker 13: the longer term market. Yeah, governments are bringing this on themselves,

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Speaker 13: so high migration, the lack of ability to build more houses,

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Speaker 13: and it's been.

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Speaker 12: Felt right across the country at the moment.

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Speaker 13: So look, it might open up the opportunity for a

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Speaker 13: few more homes, but it's not going to solve the crisis.

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Speaker 3: No, probably not. Only listen, thank you so much as always,

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Speaker 3: that's Oliver Peterson, six PR Perth Life presenter. Hither it

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Speaker 3: wasn't Hamosh Kerr who was accused of being selfish. It

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Speaker 3: was the American opponent, the guy who agreed to do

522
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Speaker 3: the jump off because of the race the most golds

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Speaker 3: with China. China ended up with thirty nine and the

524
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Speaker 3: Yanks ended up with thirty eight because obviously that guy

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Speaker 3: ended up with silver because Hamish beat him. Carolyn, thank

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Speaker 3: you for explaining that. I appreciate it. Here the razor

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Speaker 3: will fix the abs. Wow. If Fozzy coached that game,

528
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Speaker 3: there would be calls for public hangings. Take your rose

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Speaker 3: colored glasses off. I feel like it's in our nature,

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Speaker 3: as kiwis, and we can't shake this to give someone

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Speaker 3: a fair shake of the stick, don't you think. I mean,

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Speaker 3: the guy has how many tests have they had?

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Speaker 14: Like?

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Speaker 3: Is that the fifth test under razor? But harsh to

535
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Speaker 3: be like, we'll sack him now, So you gotta give

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Speaker 3: him a little chance. I mean, you know that he's

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Speaker 3: dealing with a crappy squad. Just take a look at

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Speaker 3: them and their haircuts, and so he's got to be

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Speaker 3: given a chance, doesn't he. Okay, this is what else

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Speaker 3: is going on in Australia, So just remind just a reminder, right,

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Speaker 3: we're talking about the goat in the boat and Hamish

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Speaker 3: the unexpected gold medalist, while they are talking about over

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Speaker 3: in Australia the fact that they had a marathon runner

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Speaker 3: who lasted a k, yes a k into a marathon

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Speaker 3: she pulled out. And there's a massive selection controversy going

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Speaker 3: on here about this because she was picked when another

547
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Speaker 3: veteran runner whose name is Lisa Weightman, also qualified for

548
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Speaker 3: the team but wasn't selected. And Lisa Weightman, by the way,

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Speaker 3: yesterday ran a half marathon on the Sunshine Coast and

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Speaker 3: won the thing. Meanwhile, who got sent to Paris couldn't

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Speaker 3: even finish a k in the marathon. They chose this

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Speaker 3: woman who went in Shine Diver and the reason that

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Speaker 3: people were cross about that was because she has been

554
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Speaker 3: battling with planta fasciitis, which is a thing in your foot.

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Speaker 3: Heaps of runners get this thing, and she's been out

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Speaker 3: of sorts for ages, so maybe they shouldn't have picked her.

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Speaker 3: Blah blah blah. Anyway, the guys who picked her are

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Speaker 3: now trying to defend themselves and saying it wasn't the

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Speaker 3: planta fasciatus that caused the problem, she just had cramping

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Speaker 3: in both legs and therefore couldn't pull out whatever. Sixteen

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Speaker 3: away from.

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Speaker 9: Five politics was centrics credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 9: payments certainty.

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Speaker 3: Barry Soper, Senior political correspondence with US. Now, hey Barry,

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Speaker 3: good afternoon. He the Prime Minister has been asked whether

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Speaker 3: there'll be a parade for the Olympians when they come back.

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Speaker 3: Will there?

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Speaker 8: What an amazing event the high jumping was, I thought,

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Speaker 8: in particular, I know the rowers and all the rest

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Speaker 8: of them were great, and of course we spent a

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Speaker 8: lot of time watching them, and what I loved was,

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Speaker 8: and I went back and looked at it the Fostbury

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Speaker 8: flop that they all do of course now when they

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Speaker 8: high jump. And I've got to say, hither might surprise you.

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Speaker 8: But I introduced the Fosbury flop to Gore High School

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Speaker 8: in the nineteen sixties and they all thought I was nuts,

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Speaker 8: as they did Dick Fosbury, who won the gold medal

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Speaker 8: at the Mexico Olympics in nineteen sixty eight, and they

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Speaker 8: thought it was a gimmick when he won that medal.

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Speaker 8: This man was sort of he never practiced, didn't do

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Speaker 8: any practice for it. He slept in his van. He

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Speaker 8: was an engineer, yes he was, and it's all about

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Speaker 8: the center of gravity, and he figured out that was

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Speaker 8: the best way to achieve height. And of course after

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Speaker 8: the scissors, the height that they had now achieved is phenomenal.

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Speaker 3: The scissors, well, this is what they used to do.

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Speaker 8: The scissors you do one ly and then the other.

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Speaker 8: And that was the old jumping style that you know,

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Speaker 8: when you consider what they do now, when you think

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Speaker 8: of the height of a door in your house, they

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Speaker 8: go above that, quite a bit above that, I mean.

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Speaker 3: The jumping crazy when you think about it, that these

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Speaker 3: guys are running up and basically jumping higher than their

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Speaker 3: own heights.

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Speaker 15: Oh.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, Kurve Hamish Kerr is six foot six, I think,

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Speaker 8: and of course he's well and above well and truly

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Speaker 8: above that.

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Speaker 3: It's phenomenal. So anyway, how to gore high? Then react

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Speaker 3: to your Fosbury flop?

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Speaker 8: Well to athletic school, because I was quite good at

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Speaker 8: not just jumping. Jumping was wasn't my speciality. This Fosbury

603
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Speaker 8: flop was just being introduced and I like the idea,

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Speaker 8: probably a bit of a show of and I did

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Speaker 8: it quite successfully, never quite achieved the heights that they

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Speaker 8: get to these days. But look, the idea of a

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Speaker 8: victory parade for our returning athletes dangling their medals was

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Speaker 8: floated with the Prime Minister this afternoon, but Chris says

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Speaker 8: that's not as easy as it sounds.

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Speaker 16: Many of them are actually going off around the world

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Speaker 16: for more competitions. Others are already here at home, you know.

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Speaker 16: So it's really they don't all come back like a

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Speaker 16: rugby team together, and that many of them are based

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Speaker 16: overseas and heading back to their home bases as well,

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Speaker 16: so that may be a little difficult. There is opportunities

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Speaker 16: through the course of the year. I know we've got

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Speaker 16: an Olympic gala dinner towards the end of the year.

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Speaker 16: That'll be a great opportunity to do so. But yeah, again,

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Speaker 16: I think, as I said, we should be incredibly proud.

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Speaker 16: I think all of us have tried to manage the

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Speaker 16: time zone and our work commitments and watch but so

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Speaker 16: the Olympics as we can.

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Speaker 17: Through the last two weeks.

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Speaker 8: It's been incredible, hasn't it. You know, it's a great

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Speaker 8: time for New Zealand. I think this was so many metals.

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Speaker 3: Medals totally I agree with you, Hey, what about the beneficiary,

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Speaker 3: So what's brought not such a.

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Speaker 8: Great time for beneficiaries at the moment. No, that this

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Speaker 8: traffic light system that will come in effect from today,

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Speaker 8: So welfare beneficiaries, they'll be contacted and they'll be told

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Speaker 8: and mainly there are people on jobs the job seekers benefit.

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Speaker 8: There's not far shy of two hundred thousand people on

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Speaker 8: that and they'll be notified by the MSD to say

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Speaker 8: what where they are in the traffic like system, and

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Speaker 8: you know it goes obviously from red through to green

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Speaker 8: all the other way. And of course there's this charge

637
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Speaker 8: card that fifty percent of your benefit can be controlled

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Speaker 8: and that was an act idea and they certainly have

639
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Speaker 8: been pushing that. But you know the number of people

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Speaker 8: on job seeker benefits, it's increased by seventy thousand under

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Speaker 8: the last government and the use of sanctions then basically

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Speaker 8: reduced quite significantly. Louise Upston, I know you're having her on,

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Speaker 8: she says, beneficiaries from today will be in no doubt

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Speaker 8: what they have to do to keep the benefit.

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Speaker 18: This afternoon, those who are currently on red and orange

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Speaker 18: will be notified and contacted by MST and then overcoming

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Speaker 18: days they'll be notified if they're at green. So the

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Speaker 18: processes for those who are orange, they've got five days

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Speaker 18: and so that will absolutely kick off. But if they're

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Speaker 18: in Orange, then they've already been in a process, they've

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Speaker 18: already failed an obligation.

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Speaker 3: Which they will be aware of.

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Speaker 18: But the traffic light system is making it much easier

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Speaker 18: for people to understand where they are and what they

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Speaker 18: need to do to fully comply.

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Speaker 8: And of course the political opponents have already come out.

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Speaker 8: The Greens were the first out of the starting blocks.

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Speaker 8: They said the government was quickly building a legacy of cruelty.

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Speaker 3: I just hope we don't go like I feel like

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Speaker 3: we are. I hope we don't go down this path.

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Speaker 3: Well we start getting all sicky on it and feeling

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Speaker 3: sorry for people who are who are you know, squandering

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Speaker 3: taxpayer money, and then we force the government if.

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Speaker 8: A person deserves a benefit, they deserve the benefit if

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Speaker 8: they are really in need. But if there's and there

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Speaker 8: are a lot of going on, well we know there

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Speaker 8: are the linguages out there that are on benefits for many,

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Speaker 8: many many years, and they don't need.

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Speaker 3: To be verry. Thank you appreciated. By the way, somebody said,

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Speaker 3: if you were doing the Fosbury flop at Gore High

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Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty eight, you would have been flopping onto sand,

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Speaker 3: because that's what people says it onto. Is that true?

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Speaker 8: That's right?

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Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 8: That was the problem with the Fosbury flop.

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Speaker 3: That you bang your head on see well, no, you

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Speaker 3: had you had.

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Speaker 8: To fall on a certain way. You'd fall on your

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Speaker 8: back essentially, or on your shoulders to roll over, and

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Speaker 8: that's that was the initial problem, and then it became

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Speaker 8: universally adopted when they had alt.

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Speaker 3: Though, doesn't it constant head? Thank you, Barry, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Barry's for Senior Political Correspondence seven Away from five entity.

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Speaker 19: The mic asking Breakfast and Dame Lison Carrington is whether

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Speaker 19: it's from Paris? Do you feel the expectation because when

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Speaker 19: you have that discussion, the whole country does before the

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Speaker 19: game start and they think, right, where are the metals?

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Speaker 19: You're the first name every time.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, Like I do tune out of that type

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Speaker 6: of thing, so you know, I'm not reading media, not

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Speaker 6: on social media, because it's a lot of expectation and

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Speaker 6: is outside noise and you don't know what the result

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Speaker 6: is going to be so at the end of the day,

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Speaker 6: I can dream, you know when and that type of thing,

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Speaker 6: but it's obviously a dream until you make it happen.

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Speaker 6: So keeping true to what it's going to take is

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Speaker 6: really the most important thing.

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Speaker 19: Back tomorrow at six am, the Mike Husking breakfast with

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Speaker 19: the rain driver of the lam used tool of zeb.

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Speaker 3: Here that the USA and China both won forty goals each.

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Speaker 3: To that person's argument is rubbish, you're too right. Actually

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Speaker 3: I went to have a look in year. There was

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Speaker 3: no discrepancy there. They are dead heat on forty each

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Speaker 3: and in fact the US won with the silvers and

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Speaker 3: the bronzes. Thereafter they got one total of one hundred

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Speaker 3: and twenty six medals, whereas China's only China's only got

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Speaker 3: ninety one. So China's been rolled in a big way.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of rolling, by the way, there was the scissoring,

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Speaker 3: which you could scissor over the high jump and then

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Speaker 3: you could do the Fosbury flop, And somebody's pointed out

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Speaker 3: there was also the Western roll, which I think is

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Speaker 3: where you kind of like jumped at it almost you

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Speaker 3: like rolled all over frontways. Well I can't really tell anyway,

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Speaker 3: you rolled over it kind of in a different way,

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Speaker 3: probably frontways rather than backwards like this particular one is

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Speaker 3: going listen. I don't know about you, but over the

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Speaker 3: weekend when I was reading about the Polkinghorn trial and

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Speaker 3: listen again to some of the audio and all that stuff,

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Speaker 3: like a Pauline Hannah talking about the relationship between herself

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Speaker 3: and Polkinghorn, I did wonder why the niece had recorded

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Speaker 3: her talking about such intimate stuff. Well, fortunately we've got

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Speaker 3: the answer. The niece has actually talked about it in

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Speaker 3: court today. So we'll talk to Chelsea, our reporter who's

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Speaker 3: been there. She'll be with us ten past five. She's

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Speaker 3: been there the whole time. Also the Wiggles rape. Okay,

726
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Speaker 3: so what's happening is that there is a sound system

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Speaker 3: dance party in Mount Monganui this summer, which is a

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Speaker 3: dedicated dance festival for Toddler's and the Wiggles are going

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Speaker 3: to come and they're going to headline it. Dorothy the

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Speaker 3: Dinosaur is going to do the DJing. Anthony from the Weggles,

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Speaker 3: long standing Whiggles guy, is going to be there. John

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Speaker 3: the Hot Wiggle is going to be there. So High

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Speaker 3: the new Young wiggles, she's going to be there. It's

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Speaker 3: run by the guy who runs other festivals like Bay

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Speaker 3: Dreams and Sound Splash and some and so on, so

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Speaker 3: he knows what he's doing. But are you into this

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Speaker 3: because this sounds like hell on Earth for a toddler's parent.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's going to be dark in there, so

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Speaker 3: how are you going to know you're toddler from another toddler?

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Speaker 3: Then you're going to lose them, and they're losing a

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Speaker 3: toddler is one of the worst things that can happen

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Speaker 3: to you know, you're going to lose them in a

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Speaker 3: dark space. So what are we going to be leashing

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Speaker 3: them up? Because then we're just going to start strangling

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Speaker 3: them with all the leashes, you see what I'm saying. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: will be with them shortly to explain.

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Speaker 1: The only Drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers by the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather due to Clan Drive with One New Zealand. Let's

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Speaker 1: get connected and news talk as.

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Speaker 2: They'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. The government is getting tougher on beneficiaries. It's been

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Speaker 3: announced that job seekers will have to reapply for the

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Speaker 3: benefit every six months a new traffic light system will

755
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Speaker 3: be used to show whether a beneficiary is complying with

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Speaker 3: all the rules, and there will also be new sanctions,

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Speaker 3: including money management, where half a person's benefit goes onto

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Speaker 3: an electronic payment card that can only be used on

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Speaker 3: essential items. Louise Upston is the Minister for Social Development

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Speaker 3: and Employment. Hi luiz Hi heather, what's the thinking behind

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Speaker 3: six months reapplication at six months rather than a year?

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Speaker 14: What?

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Speaker 15: We want to make sure that we're getting more people

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Speaker 15: into work and means a far more active system. And

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Speaker 15: so if they don't need to be on a benefit

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Speaker 15: no longer, they shouldn't, so it's shortening the reapplication date

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Speaker 15: to six months.

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Speaker 3: Are there people who are on a benefic benefit who

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Speaker 3: don't need to be on it?

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Speaker 14: Yes?

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Speaker 15: There are. What we know from the last time we

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Speaker 15: reduced it to six months is there was a significant

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Speaker 15: number of people who didn't reapply for a variety of reasons.

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Speaker 15: Some of them may well have found a job, which

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Speaker 15: is great.

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Speaker 3: So is it possible that there were some people who

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Speaker 3: were running both a job and the benefit at the

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Speaker 3: same time.

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Speaker 15: Possible. Look, at the end of the day, we have

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Speaker 15: announced a number of measures today because we want to

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Speaker 15: see more people in work. We want to break discycles

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Speaker 15: of welfare tenancy that we've seen balloon under the previous government.

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Speaker 15: So these are some simple practical measures that help help

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Speaker 15: more people into work.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so what will they do, Like, what is going

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Speaker 3: to be the thing that lands them on that money

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Speaker 3: management car?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, So the traffic light system green, you're complying, Orange,

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Speaker 15: you've got a warning red.

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Speaker 20: There's a finction.

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Speaker 15: So at the moment, the sanctions are either a fifty

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Speaker 15: percent reduction in the benefit or a cancelation completely. We

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Speaker 15: want to introduce for parents in particular, the maximum reduction

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Speaker 15: is fifty percent, but instead of going to that straight away,

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Speaker 15: we could then use a non financial measure like money management,

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Speaker 15: so they still get the same amount of money, but

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Speaker 15: less choice over how they use.

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Speaker 3: It, right, and then they're able to still provide the

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Speaker 3: basics for their kids. That's the thinking, right absolutely.

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Speaker 15: Okay, Yeah, because people have expressed concern about that, so

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Speaker 15: we've decided to bring in this additional measure, which will mean,

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Speaker 15: you know, we want those on benefit to comply with

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Speaker 15: their obligations first and foremost that's their responsibility, but will

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Speaker 15: mean that there's a step before the reduction to fifty

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Speaker 15: percent is a maximum.

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Speaker 3: What are they able to spend and that money on

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Speaker 3: that's on the card.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, so the payment card is use at the moment

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Speaker 15: with young parents and those on the youth payment. It's

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Speaker 15: basically set up with restriction on what you can spend

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Speaker 15: it on. So obviously you can't go to the supermarket

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Speaker 15: and buy alcohol and cigarette. There are rules set around it.

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Speaker 15: When a person would be going on to money management

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Speaker 15: that's done for beneficiary and.

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Speaker 3: MSD, what can they spend it on.

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Speaker 5: Well, they can.

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Speaker 15: Spend it on clothes, on petrol, on grocery items, but

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Speaker 15: there will be restrictions so you know, people can't buy

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Speaker 15: cigarettes for example, and they can't buy alcohol. But again

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Speaker 15: we want people to comply and so that will be

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Speaker 15: lifted after a month if somebody then complies with their

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Speaker 15: obligation to be looking for a job.

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Speaker 3: Now you also are making it mandatory for all beneficiaries

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Speaker 3: with work obligations to have a job. See can profile

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Speaker 3: before they get the benefit?

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Speaker 6: What is that?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, So basically we want to ensure THATSD are having

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Speaker 15: early work conversations with those going on to the jobs

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Speaker 15: that could benefit So before signing on to the benefit.

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Speaker 15: A person will have to complete a profile that is

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Speaker 15: this is their work experience, these are their qualifications, these

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Speaker 15: are the sorts of jobs they're looking for, and this

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Speaker 15: is their drivers driver license status. So it helps MSD

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Speaker 15: work more quickly to help that person find a job,

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Speaker 15: which is exactly we want what we want to do.

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Speaker 15: You want to co an ambitious target to reduce the

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Speaker 15: number of people on the jobs they can benefit by

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Speaker 15: fifty thousand. So this is all about how do we

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Speaker 15: help more people get off welfare and into work.

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Speaker 3: Right Louise listen, thank you very much, really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: That's Louise Eupston, the Minister for Social Development and Employment.

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Speaker 2: Together do for ce Ellen Till.

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Speaker 3: The Pulki Warns murder trial has entered its third week. Now.

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Speaker 3: He's accused of killing his wife, Pauline Hannah. He says

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Speaker 3: she took her own life. Now this morning the court

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Speaker 3: heard from her niece Rose. You will remember Rose was

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Speaker 3: the one who made a secret recording of a family

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Speaker 3: dinner where Pauline detailed her husband's in fidelity and their

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Speaker 3: relationship problems. Chelsea Daniels has been following the trial. She's

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Speaker 3: with us now, Hey, Chelsea, Hey, why did Pauline's niece

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Speaker 3: secretly record that family dinner that we heard about last week?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 21: So, on the day of the recording in November twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 21: Pauline had gone to Hawk's Bay to catalog her mother's

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Speaker 21: items and artworks. Rose was helping her, writing down all

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Speaker 21: of those items on her laptop. Later in the day,

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Speaker 21: she says, the family began talking about the items again,

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Speaker 21: but she didn't have her laptop handy, so she hit

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Speaker 21: record on her phone. The jury didn't hear all of

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Speaker 21: the talk about the items, only that snippet of about

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Speaker 21: twenty minutes, only from when the conversation turned.

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Speaker 3: All right, that explains okay, So what else did Rose

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Speaker 3: say this morning?

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Speaker 21: You'll remember the conversation last week had turned to Christmas plans.

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Speaker 21: Pauline had invited Rose to the Polkinghorn Christmas in Auckland

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Speaker 21: and invited her to stay at their remiwaer A home.

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Speaker 21: Rose didn't end up going, though, and she explains an

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Speaker 21: email she got from irunt.

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Speaker 22: It's Pauline basically saying that she doesn't want me to

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Speaker 22: stay in the house and she wants me to instead

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Speaker 22: be in a hotel. And that Philip had become irate

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Speaker 22: that she had made Christmas dinner into an event by

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Speaker 22: inviting me, so I didn't attend Auckland. I was only

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Speaker 22: coming up for her, and I didn't want to make

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Speaker 21: Rose had dinner with Pauline in August twenty twenty, where

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Speaker 21: the idea of contacting a divorce attorney came up. They

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Speaker 21: also discussed Pauline looking into hiring a private investigator. She

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Speaker 21: said her aunt was terrified and worried she couldn't afford

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Speaker 21: to leave her husband because she suspected she didn't have

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Speaker 21: any money to her name.

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Speaker 22: She said that during the early stages of the pandemic,

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Speaker 22: she was signing documents all day every day, and Philip

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Speaker 22: had passed her things to sign, and she was crying,

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Speaker 22: saying that she'd been incredibly naive and and was worried

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Speaker 22: that she had no money in her name anymore.

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Speaker 2: Why was she worried about that, she.

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Speaker 22: Explained, because he had explained to her, Philip being he

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Speaker 22: that it was easier to invest the money with a

890
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Speaker 22: single signature required, so he'd signed it over over the

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Speaker 22: assets into his name so that he could then invest

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Speaker 22: it easier and she had trusted him.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Chelsea, who else have we heard from today?

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Speaker 21: So the Crown called Paul Adrians, a hairdresser who knew

895
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Speaker 21: Polkinghorn via a mutual friend, a woman named Lee Paterson.

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Speaker 21: He said that they were both clients of Lee, a

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Speaker 21: sex worker, and told the court Polkinghorn would pay her

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Speaker 21: to have sex with him. We also heard from Sarah Prentice,

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Speaker 21: who worked with Pauline on and off for about ten

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Speaker 21: years in the health sector. She's just the latest inner

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Speaker 21: string of co workers we've heard from. They all say

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Speaker 21: pretty much the same thing. Pauline was hard working and

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Speaker 21: always immaculately turned out. She worked incredibly long hours and

904
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Speaker 21: was crowud of her work in the COVID vaccination rollout.

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Speaker 3: Chelsea, thank you very much for ning us through that.

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Speaker 3: That's Chelsea Daniels, a reporter who's been in court. You

907
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Speaker 3: can hear more from Chelsea about this on The Herald's

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Speaker 3: podcast Accused the Polkinghorn trial. It's coming up quarter pass.

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Speaker 3: The years ago, I was tasked with debt collecting at

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Speaker 3: and several benefits, and only one complained when I had

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Speaker 3: Now the Wiggles are putting on a rave for kids.

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Speaker 1: Roots Sala yummy, yummy, fruit Sala yummy yummy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, yep, the worst of both worlds, The Wiggles

936
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Speaker 3: and Duftduff music. Anthony Wiggles going to be there, John

937
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Speaker 3: the Hot Wiggle's going to be there, So High Wiggles

938
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Speaker 3: going to be there, and Dorothy to the Dinosaur's going

939
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Speaker 3: to be doing the DJing. Now, Mitch Lowe, who is

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Speaker 3: the brains behind other New Zealand festivals like Daydreams and

941
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Speaker 3: Sound Splashes, promoting the idea, Hey Mitch, Hello Mitch, how

942
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Speaker 3: is this going to work for kids?

943
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Speaker 24: Well? That is a good question. I've never done it before, okay, because.

944
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Speaker 3: I mean, let's cut to the chase, right. The reason

945
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Speaker 3: that nuts go to raves so that they can take

946
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Speaker 3: drugs and listen to trippy music. So why do kids

947
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Speaker 3: want to go to raves?

948
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Speaker 24: Well, this is actually for the kids and the adults,

949
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Speaker 24: because that's sort of how we're targeting it. But are

950
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Speaker 24: you expecting there.

951
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Speaker 3: Are adults there who are going to take drugs and

952
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Speaker 3: listen to trippy music while around the kids.

953
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Speaker 24: No, I believe they're going to bring their kids to

954
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Speaker 24: the rave to introduce them to proper production, which is

955
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Speaker 24: what we're going to put on.

956
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Speaker 3: Alrighty, I mean, how many are you it's going to

957
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Speaker 3: be dark? What is it going to be dark?

958
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Speaker 2: Dark?

959
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Speaker 24: Yes, it's run from one pm till seven pm, but

960
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Speaker 24: the indoors is the arena, so that's dark and then

961
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Speaker 24: outside more like a festival style.

962
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Speaker 3: And when you say arena, how many people are you.

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Speaker 24: Expecting five thousand?

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Speaker 3: I'm a little bit worried about losing the child in there?

965
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Speaker 3: Are you? Are you going to promote like leashes and

966
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Speaker 3: toddler rains and stuff like that.

967
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Speaker 24: Ironically, we do have these like led foam sticks that

968
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Speaker 24: you give your kids and they're very bright colored and

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Speaker 24: they can sort of set them to a color and

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Speaker 24: you know you'll be able to find them.

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Speaker 3: Okay, cool, all right, I'm glad you've thought this one through,

972
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Speaker 3: do you? I mean, do you reckon? There's a market

973
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Speaker 3: for this stuff?

974
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Speaker 5: I believe.

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Speaker 24: So, Look, we I only announced it this morning. I

976
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Speaker 24: did it in honor of my daughter who just arrived

977
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Speaker 24: a month ago, so it's new to me. But we've

978
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Speaker 24: just announced it, and the reception has been crazy. Yeah,

979
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Speaker 24: we've had five hundred people sign up in the last

980
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Speaker 24: three or four hours so that you can start.

981
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not bad at all. Is she sleeping through

982
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Speaker 3: the night yet?

983
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Speaker 24: Absolutely not, which is why I'm currently in the unslept

984
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Speaker 24: getting to you.

985
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Speaker 3: So when you go to the rave, you're going to

986
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Speaker 3: feel like you're on drugs. But that's just a sleep deprivation,

987
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Speaker 3: isn't it.

988
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Speaker 24: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that's how it goes.

989
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Speaker 3: Yeah, good luck with it, all right, listen, tell me

990
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Speaker 3: what the ticket prices are.

991
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Speaker 24: Then, So we've tried to keep it super affordable. So

992
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Speaker 24: we've got the adults and kids individual at fifty nine dollars,

993
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Speaker 24: but then we have a family path at one nine nine,

994
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Speaker 24: so you're sort of saving forty bucks if you get

995
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Speaker 24: the family path.

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Speaker 3: Mitch, thank you very much. Mitch Low event promoter two

997
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Speaker 3: hundibucks to go to the insurance. I don't know. I

998
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Speaker 3: don't know anyway, We'll see how that goes. I look,

999
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Speaker 3: I'm just going to put it out there that I'm

1000
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Speaker 3: not going to be an early adopter of this pon

1001
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Speaker 3: killer things, so I'll just put it out there for

1002
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Speaker 3: other people to try and if it's awesome. Maybe I'll

1003
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Speaker 3: get into it later on, probably not, though now there

1004
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Speaker 3: is quite a spat that's developed and we're going to

1005
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 3: talk to Nicole McKey, Cabinet Minister about there's quite a

1006
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Speaker 3: spat that's developed between the Police Association and Nicole McKean.

1007
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Speaker 3: Nicole m key's obviously doing the gun reform. Police Association

1008
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Speaker 3: are upset that she's doing a little round of consultation

1009
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Speaker 3: and she's picked twenty five different groups to talk to

1010
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 3: and the Police Association is not one of them. So

1011
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 3: they've written to the Prime Minister and they say they

1012
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 3: want her stripped of her portfolios because she's not independent,

1013
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 3: she's a former gun lobbyist. They want Mark Mitchell put

1014
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 3: in there. She's hit back saying that paranoid find out

1015
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 3: what's going on when she's with us. Just after half

1016
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Speaker 3: past five, five twenty.

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Speaker 25: Two, Heather Duplicy Ellen cutting through the noise to get

1018
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 25: the facts. It's Heather Duplicy Allen Drive with One New

1019
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 25: Zealand let's get connected and news talk.

1020
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Speaker 3: As they'd be right, it's coming up five to twenty five.

1021
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Speaker 5: Listen.

1022
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Speaker 3: The Olympics boss might have thought he was doing the

1023
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 3: right thing by allowing those two boxes to compete despite

1024
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 3: the gender controversy, but man alive, has it come at

1025
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Speaker 3: a price for a may He's just announced he's quitting

1026
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 3: the job. This is completely unexpected because Thomas bark was

1027
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Speaker 3: widely expected to stay in the job for another few

1028
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Speaker 3: years and a lot of international media are putting this

1029
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Speaker 3: surprise quitting down to the gender controversy and the backlash

1030
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Speaker 3: over the way that he's handled it. Already, Sebastian co

1031
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Speaker 3: has put up his hand hinted he wants the job

1032
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Speaker 3: and he's clearly if he gets it, going to take

1033
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Speaker 3: a completely different approach to an issue like this. By

1034
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Speaker 3: the way, Sebastian co is the guy running World Athletics,

1035
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Speaker 3: which has got rules around women participating in women's sports, right.

1036
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Speaker 3: Sebastian Coe says he has a responsibility to preserve the

1037
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 3: female category and he says that the International Olympic Committee

1038
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Speaker 3: has to have a clear policy. If you don't, you

1039
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Speaker 3: get into difficult territory. And I think that's what we've

1040
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Speaker 3: witnessed here, and he's bang on because that was always

1041
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Speaker 3: what this problem actually was. It was a problem about

1042
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 3: rules in other sports where there are clear rules ring fencing,

1043
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Speaker 3: the sport for biological women. This wasn't a problem, right.

1044
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Speaker 3: Swimming had rules, Leah Thomas, the transgender athletic, couldn't compete

1045
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Speaker 3: against women. Cycling had rules, World Athletics had rules. Boxing

1046
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 3: didn't have rules because boxing was a rare sport that

1047
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 3: was not actually being run by the boxing bosses but

1048
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Speaker 3: by the Olympics guys themselves. And so when the boxing

1049
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Speaker 3: bosses were like, hey, we did some tests and these

1050
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Speaker 3: guys aren't these women aren't double X chromosome women, they

1051
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Speaker 3: shouldn't box, the IOC didn't know what to do, so

1052
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Speaker 3: it did nothing, didn't do their own tests, didn't right

1053
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Speaker 3: rules for the situation. They just basically closed their eyes

1054
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Speaker 3: and went la la la la, la la la, this

1055
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 3: isn't happening. That's not how you handle something like this.

1056
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 3: It was not the right thing to do, because they've

1057
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Speaker 3: done wrong by those two boxers, the Algerian boxer and

1058
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Speaker 3: the Taiwanese boxer will always now have a question hanging

1059
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Speaker 3: over whether they should have earned gold at these games.

1060
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Speaker 3: At least that question will persist until at least someone

1061
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Speaker 3: does a reputable test and clears up the gender confusion matter.

1062
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Speaker 3: And it's not even done the right thing by Thomas Bach,

1063
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Speaker 3: the guy running the Olympics. If media are to believe

1064
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 3: this has costed him his job and the next guy

1065
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 3: will most likely do this completely differently, and so probably

1066
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Speaker 3: this wouldn't have been worth it.

1067
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Speaker 2: Heather dupericy Ellen.

1068
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Speaker 3: Okay, so apparently year eight kids can't answer this question.

1069
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Speaker 3: Year eight kids, by the way, are thirteen year old?

1070
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Speaker 3: Twelve year olds going on thirteen? Am I right? Twelve

1071
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Speaker 3: year olds? Thank you? Answer knows these things? Twelve because

1072
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Speaker 3: he's smart. Twelve year old's going on thirteen cannot answer

1073
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 3: this question? What is three quarters as a decimal? What

1074
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Speaker 3: is three quarters as a decimal? I don't need to

1075
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 3: give you time to think about this, but I am

1076
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Speaker 3: going to and I'm going to answer the question for

1077
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Speaker 3: you after the headlines, before we talk to Nicole McKeith,

1078
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Speaker 3: us talks.

1079
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Speaker 2: B hard questions, strong opinion.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duper c Allen drive with One New Zealand let's

1081
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Speaker 1: get connected and news talk as it'd be ze.

1082
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Speaker 2: Don't you.

1083
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Speaker 3: You gither the answer is point seven to five. Yes,

1084
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Speaker 3: the answer is point seven five. Now I don't know.

1085
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Speaker 3: Am being thank you to Irma Labanna of Wellington. I

1086
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Speaker 3: don't know whether I am being unduly harsh on twelve

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Speaker 3: to thirteen year olds, but I feel like that is

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Speaker 3: an obvious one that they should be able to get right. Now.

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Speaker 3: Many of them weren't getting it right. Like it was

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Speaker 3: a huge number of them who were struggling. Oh, thirty

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Speaker 3: nine percent of year eight students could actually answer that

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Speaker 3: one correctly. Anyway, we'll have a chat to the heart

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Speaker 3: lay going to be with us very shortly. Niicola Willis

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Speaker 3: has said something fascinating if you were reading the weekend paper.

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Speaker 3: She's had an interview with the Herald and just proactively

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Speaker 3: volunteered to them that she is open to easing the

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Speaker 3: bank capital rules. Now the bank capital rules, this is

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Speaker 3: the Reserve bank capital rules have been something of a

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Speaker 3: massive debate about whether actually this is causing problems in

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Speaker 3: terms of you know, business lending and farm lending and

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Speaker 3: all kinds of other things. Anyway, it's become and making

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Speaker 3: everything more expensive for the rest of us. It has

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Speaker 3: become quite a big debate. Interesting that she's prepared to

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Speaker 3: get involved in it because the Reserve Bank actually is independent.

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Speaker 3: So when she's with us after six we'll ask her

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Speaker 3: exactly how she plans to deal with that right now.

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Speaker 3: It's twenty three away from six.

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Speaker 23: Hit.

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Speaker 3: The stat has broken out between the Police Association and

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Speaker 3: the Minister responsible for gun reform. The Police Association has

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Speaker 3: written an open letter to the Prime Minister asking him

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Speaker 3: to strip the Associate Justice Minister of her portfolio because

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Speaker 3: they say they've been left out of the consultation about

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Speaker 3: the gun reform and Nicole McKee, the former gun lobbyist.

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Speaker 3: They don't think she's acting independently, so let's talk to her,

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Speaker 3: he Nikol.

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Speaker 14: Good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Have you left them out of the consultation.

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Speaker 14: Well, we've left them out of the initial scoping that

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Speaker 14: we have included New Zealand Police in the consultation and

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Speaker 14: I'm quite happy with their involvement seeing as they do

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Speaker 14: look to and speak for the entire police force.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the Police Association being the union, will have a

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Speaker 3: different view, but we'll also speak for a lot of

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Speaker 3: the police officers, won't They.

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Speaker 14: They will, and they will definitely have their opportunity to

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Speaker 14: participate as we go through the consultation time frames when

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Speaker 14: bills are produced and we put them out for that consultation.

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Speaker 3: Let me just understand this, so you're doing a targeted

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Speaker 3: initial consultation which they're not part of right now.

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Speaker 14: That's right, yes, correct, for scoping the changes that we

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Speaker 14: wish to make.

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Speaker 3: And then thereafter what comes next what part can they

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Speaker 3: participate in.

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Speaker 14: So at the moment, we've done some mediate changes on

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Speaker 14: clubs and ranges and there will be potentially a bill

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Speaker 14: that will go forward for further changes in that space.

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Speaker 14: When that occurs, there'll be consultation available to everybody, including

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Speaker 14: the Police Association. We are at the moment just going

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Speaker 14: out with a questionnaire on the registry as part of

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Speaker 14: the review, and should any changes be made there there

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Speaker 14: will be availability for consultation for everyone, including the Police Association.

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Speaker 14: So this targeted consultation that's taken place at the moment

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Speaker 14: is really just the initial consultation to get our work

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Speaker 14: under way, not consultation on legislative changes.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So when they're able to put what at the

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Speaker 3: selectivity process stage, they will be yes. That's when you

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Speaker 3: foresee them actually being able to have a say yes.

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Speaker 14: I mean there may be areas that come up once

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Speaker 14: we get feedback from these initial scopes that we've done

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Speaker 14: and once we start to make changes, there may be

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Speaker 14: a place for the Police Association then, but at this stage,

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Speaker 14: this early on, there is no need. I'm really happy

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Speaker 14: with the fullsome feedback that I've been getting from New

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Speaker 14: Zealand Police.

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Speaker 3: Okay, now what's going on here, because I mean for

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Speaker 3: them to go public and rights to the Prime Minister

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Speaker 3: like this is taking things pretty seriously. Have you had

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Speaker 3: a breakdown in a relationship between yourself and them?

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Speaker 14: Well, I've always thought that I've had quite a strong

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Speaker 14: relationship with Chris Carhill, but I don't think that seems

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Speaker 14: to be working both ways. I've always been quite open

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Speaker 14: and friendly towards them, but you know when somebody wants

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Speaker 14: to make personal attacks against the person and actually lie

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Speaker 14: as well. I mean, he's made public comments that I

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Speaker 14: was the head of the gun lobby in twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 14: that he actually effectively even said that I'm responsible for

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Speaker 14: the Mosk attacks. I just think that's unnecessary, it's not helpful,

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Speaker 14: it's not constructed. At the end of the day, this

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Speaker 14: government wants to make law reforms that keep our community safe,

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Speaker 14: keep guns in the right hands and out of the

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Speaker 14: wrong hand, and that's what I'm committed to doing. I

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Speaker 14: have decades of firearm safety, background education and relevance, and

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Speaker 14: I think that that brings an element to this task

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Speaker 14: which is much and much needed.

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Speaker 3: Has he cooked his goose with you?

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Speaker 14: I think it would be unfair to say that anybody

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Speaker 14: cooks their goos. I mean, he's obviously unhappy, but the

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Speaker 14: way he's going about trying to get part of the

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Speaker 14: processes not very helpful for himself all the people that

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Speaker 14: he purports to represent. So hence, I'm quite happy with

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Speaker 14: the feedback I'm getting from New Zealand Police as a whole.

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Speaker 14: It's been constructive and it's been relevant.

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Speaker 3: Nicole, Thank you very much, really appreciate your time. As

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Speaker 3: Nicole McKee, the Associate Justice Minister.

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Speaker 3: Hello Josie. Is your favorite Olympic moment anything other than

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Speaker 3: Hamish Ker winning the gold?

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Speaker 14: Oh?

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Speaker 26: That has to be the highlight, partly because it's a

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Speaker 26: real Olympic sports. I mean, I'm not saying that you know,

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Speaker 26: kayaking isn't but like the hi jump, I mean that's

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Speaker 26: something that the Olympians did at anch in Grease. It's amazing. Yeah,

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Speaker 26: and what a buzz. And Lisa Carrington, I mean she's

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Speaker 26: the goat in the boat, isn't she. I mean, she's

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Speaker 26: just amazing and she's done it again.

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Speaker 12: I think the thing about.

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Speaker 26: This Olympics for me, though, was that the weird events

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Speaker 26: kind of eclipsed the classic events like the blomen bouldering

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Speaker 26: and the fantastic break dancing, which was them in the

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Speaker 26: Australian Breakdancer. That was my sort of weird highlight. I mean,

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Speaker 26: she she's like my kid coming up to me and going, mom, mom,

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Speaker 26: look at this and then they do a really rubbish

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Speaker 26: roly poly and wow, it's amazing.

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Speaker 3: Josey. Did you hear that? The reason that she got

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Speaker 3: into the Olympics was she set up the break downcing

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Speaker 3: Federation herself, so she basically guaranteed herself a spot. She

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Speaker 3: put herself there.

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Speaker 26: Brilliant. I mean, so, I think the weird stuff although

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Speaker 26: the one the moment I loved the most, apart from

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Speaker 26: the guy knocking the pole off by it with as

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Speaker 26: Willy in the in the pole vaulting. But my favorite

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Speaker 26: moment was the Turkish gun shooter. You know, everyone turns

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Speaker 26: up with all the gear, all the goggles and the

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Speaker 26: safety equipment in the ear things, and he just comes

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Speaker 26: with the T shirt, a couple of tracky bums of

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Speaker 26: his hand in his pocket, puts his gun out and

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Speaker 26: wins silver.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what a dude love that? What about you, Trish?

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Speaker 3: What's your highlight?

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Speaker 15: Well, one that hasn't be mentioned that requires and mentioned

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Speaker 15: the Italian Men's film team. I mean, how good from

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Speaker 15: a purely esthetic I'll tell you what. And this is

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Speaker 15: a minor humble brag. I was actually the third form

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Speaker 15: High ju champion in nineteen eighty six Attomina New High School.

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Speaker 15: So I along with Barry, I'm all over the Fosbury flop.

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Speaker 15: But in my day we actually had matts and pads,

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Speaker 15: not like sand that Barry had.

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Speaker 3: Which is why you're a world to Sharper.

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Speaker 26: I just think, Trisha, you could have been somebody Trisha

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Speaker 26: instead of a noble, which is what you are, you

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Speaker 26: could have.

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Speaker 15: Been an Olympian.

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Speaker 27: I could have think.

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Speaker 15: I mean, I thought that the Hamish curse thing was amazing.

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Speaker 15: Because it was a bolt from the blue and who

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Speaker 15: even which one of us going into this was even

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Speaker 15: thinking about New Zealand in the high jump Letlono at

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Speaker 15: gold medal. And we've had a bit of success over

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Speaker 15: the years, you know, actually in the stadium with runners,

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Speaker 15: particularly in Dame Valerie on shot put. But this was

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Speaker 15: absolutely fantastic. A couple of recommendations though, if you're interested

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Speaker 15: in the break dancing at the Olympics and everyone's saying, well,

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Speaker 15: how could that be an Olympic sport? There's two fantastic

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Speaker 15: podcast that came out over the weekend, won the Global

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Speaker 15: Story on BBC and won the Daily on the New

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Speaker 15: York Times, which actually looked back at the history of

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Speaker 15: this and how it became in Olympic sport. And the

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Speaker 15: short story is because it is a massive crowd draw.

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Speaker 3: All right, yeah, well, I think old mate Ray Gunner

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Speaker 3: has probably repelled a lot of people single randedly, Josie,

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Speaker 3: what do you make of Sebastian co who's got to

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Speaker 3: be a forerunner to take over the presidency of the IOC,

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Speaker 3: saying that he will have rules so this Algerian boxer

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Speaker 3: situation doesn't repeat. What do you make of that.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, interesting that he's put his name forward now, because

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Speaker 26: the protocol is usually to wait. You meant to sort

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Speaker 26: of wait until I think three months before the election

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Speaker 26: and then sort of, you know, humbly say well, of

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Speaker 26: course if people want me to survey will and he's

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Speaker 26: gone out, just a typical Sebastian co gone out and gone, yeah,

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Speaker 26: I want it and this is what I'll do. So

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Speaker 26: good on him. I don't envy him. I don't envy

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Speaker 26: sports administrators at all. This is really tough. I mean, yes,

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Speaker 26: you know, you've got to look at the fact that

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Speaker 26: it's mostly people who may have been assigned female at

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Speaker 26: the male at birth, who identifies female, who wants who

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Speaker 26: want to compete in female sports. It's never the other

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Speaker 26: way around, right, So there is just a physical problem

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Speaker 26: here that you've got to make sure you get it right.

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Speaker 26: And there there are things on the fringes when it

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Speaker 26: comes to biology and intersex that we've just seen with

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Speaker 26: a Solgerian woman that it's really really hard to work

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Speaker 26: out what you do. So I don't envy them because

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Speaker 26: there's some complicated cases.

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Speaker 3: No, I totally agree, Trisha. I want your take on

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Speaker 3: or we'll get it after the break a quarter two.

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Speaker 3: Back on the huddle, I got Treshas and Joe Spighani Tresha,

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Speaker 3: what do you make of seb co coming out and saying.

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Speaker 15: That I think that he needed to take the stance.

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Speaker 15: I mean, I don't know if you guys saw this,

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Speaker 15: but there was an absolute mess of a press conference

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Speaker 15: about a week ago where the International Boxing Association, who

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Speaker 15: had tried to basically rip the IOC around this issue.

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Speaker 15: It was an absolute channels and they really made a

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Speaker 15: disgrace of themselves. So I think that the suture president

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Speaker 15: of the IOC is now trying to take back the

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Speaker 15: lead and trying to get into control of them this.

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Speaker 15: But as Josie said, you know, good luck to them,

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Speaker 15: because man is a minefield.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. Hey, jose can you explain to me why

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Speaker 3: the Police Association is fighting so hard with Nicole McKee

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Speaker 3: at the moment?

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Speaker 26: Yeah, I mean that they're a lobby group, they're a union.

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Speaker 26: Any lobby group or any union has a right to

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Speaker 26: call for a minister to resign. I remember once calling

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Speaker 26: for Jerry Brownlee to resign. I can't remember why, and

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Speaker 26: we ended up getting drunk together in the Corrow Club,

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Speaker 26: So it's kind of like, you know, that's what you do.

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Speaker 5: So partly they're.

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Speaker 26: Playing politics, yes, and they've got a right to do that.

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Speaker 26: I mean, I do think I listened to your interview

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Speaker 26: with the minister, and honestly, if you were cynical about

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Speaker 26: consultation before, you certainly would be. After that interview. There

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Speaker 26: was scoping consultation which the Police Association aren't invited to.

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Speaker 26: There was initial consultation, targeted consultation, whole levels of gobbledygooky

1312
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 26: consultation that the Police Association the cops that actually stand

1313
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 26: out in the streets and have to deal with the

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Speaker 26: criminals and deal with the potential of gun violence. You know,

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Speaker 26: why wouldn't you have included them? I mean it makes

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Speaker 26: me droppable.

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Speaker 3: It feels like screwing the scrum ahead of the thing. Right,

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Speaker 3: So everything is stitched up and you can consult after

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Speaker 3: that all you want. You're not going to get through

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Speaker 3: everybody's agreed.

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Speaker 26: Yes, yeah, yeah, exactly, And they can do it at

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Speaker 26: Select Committee. Well so can I. But I don't think

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Speaker 26: my view is as important as a cop Trice.

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Speaker 12: Would you agree with that?

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Speaker 15: Well, I actually thought carl Hill's picked a pretty tough

1326
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Speaker 15: opponent here. You know, if you listen to Nicole mckeee,

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Speaker 15: she was pretty strong and pretty clear and it's probably

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Speaker 15: one of the better ministerial interviews I've heard recently. I

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Speaker 15: think she's going to be a tough competitor and I'm

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Speaker 15: not sure that Carlile's taken the right approach here or

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Speaker 15: it's going to, you know, ultimately get him where he

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Speaker 15: wants to be. And don't forget the history on this

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Speaker 15: with Act. This was an issue around the time that

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Speaker 15: though the gun the law changes were being made after

1335
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Speaker 15: the Mosk attacks, Seymour really swam against the tide in

1336
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Speaker 15: Parliament and took a really sort of principled Act type

1337
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Speaker 15: approach to the gun changes, pointing out a number of deficiencies.

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Speaker 15: So it's no surprise that m Key's taking the line now, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. Now do you think Josie am I being

1340
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Speaker 3: unfair or would you expect a twelve year old to

1341
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Speaker 3: be able to convert three quarters into decimal and get

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Speaker 3: the answer zero point seventy five.

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Speaker 26: I can't even do my times table. I had such

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Speaker 26: bad education, so you know, have a I couldn't do that. Yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 26: we should expect them to. And it's one of the

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Speaker 26: problems that we've got and that we haven't terrible mass

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Speaker 26: results in this country. And if you want to fix,

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Speaker 26: if you want to fix polarization as society, get education together,

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Speaker 26: get better on education too.

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Speaker 3: Right, what do you think, Trisha? I mean, is that

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Speaker 3: a reasonable thing to expect a twelve or thirteen year.

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Speaker 2: Old to do?

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Speaker 5: I was?

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Speaker 15: I mean, isn't fractions to decimals one of those sort

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Speaker 15: of based foundational yes, things that you learned pretty early on,

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Speaker 15: especially three quarters even I could do that. But I

1357
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 15: have laughed in recent weeks for discussion about, you know,

1358
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 15: kids needed to learn their home tables and the reason

1359
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Speaker 15: I learned mine because Freeman's parents had them stuck on

1360
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Speaker 15: the back of the toilet doors twelve times twelve times

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Speaker 15: nine tsh, go go no no no no no.

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Speaker 3: No, you're not no no, give me another one.

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Speaker 15: I well, I haven't got it on me now, six

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Speaker 15: times seven forty two.

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Speaker 3: I can't dopaminehit from this. I think I think there's

1366
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Speaker 3: something wrong with me. Guys, listen, thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm just gonna get a answer to give

1368
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 3: me a whole bunch of those in the ads, and

1369
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 3: I'll come out buzzy before I go to the Wiggles

1370
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Speaker 3: concert with my toddler. It's gonna do a bunch of maths,

1371
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Speaker 3: times tables. We're just buzzing all night, Heather. When are

1372
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Speaker 3: we talking about the magnificent backsides on the women's water

1373
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 3: polo teams? Tony anytime you want. We don't have those

1374
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 3: kinds of rules on the show. We let the book.

1375
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 3: You can perve it the boys, you can perve it

1376
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 3: the girls. I actively encourage perving. I don't deny you

1377
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Speaker 3: your human nature. Thank you ants. That's why this music

1378
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 3: is on Hot Rotate. On this show, there's a huddle

1379
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Speaker 3: by the way Joseph Bagani and Tris Sharson on.

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Speaker 1: Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in your

1381
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: car on your drive home, Heather Dupless Allen drive with

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Speaker 1: one New Zealand one giant Leap for business news talk

1383
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: as it be.

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Speaker 3: I'm getting a lot of texts in support of Nicole

1385
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 3: McKee versus the Police Association, even somebody who says I'm

1386
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 3: a police officer, I support the Police Association not being

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01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 3: involved in the stage. They're very left on this issue.

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01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 3: Got text Heather, why should the police have so much

1389
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 3: say on the firearms laws because it was their abysmal

1390
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 3: failure to properly vet the christ Church terrorist, which is

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Speaker 3: the whole reason we had the tragedy. Paul, thank you

1392
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 3: very much. They want to be involved and probably have

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01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 3: a fair argument to be involved. If you hear what

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01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 3: Nicole McKee is saying. It does feel like there's all

1395
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 3: this pre consultation to basically stitch the thing up so

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01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 3: then it is a done deal and just sails through

1397
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 3: absolutely smoothly, and the Police Association could squeal all they like,

1398
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 3: but everybody already is on board and on the same page.

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Speaker 3: And given that they are the ones, the police officers

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Speaker 3: are going to be the ones who are dealing with

1401
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 3: the license saying and all that kind of stuff, and

1402
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 3: who gets to have a gun, blah blah blah, maybe

1403
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 3: they should be involved. You know, there is a fair

1404
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 3: argument there. Everybody's favorite Orange person has given a shout

1405
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 3: out to Lydia Coe. This is on truth Social that's

1406
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 3: the one that Trump is set up himself. He said,

1407
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Speaker 3: congratulations to Lydia Coe on winning the Olympic gold medal

1408
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 3: in golf. I met her at Trump Turnbury in Scotland

1409
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 3: and she is most impressive, not only with her golf

1410
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,919
Speaker 3: clubs but also as a person. Way to go Lydia. Now,

1411
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 3: never mind what you think about Donald Trump. That's pretty

1412
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 3: That guy was the leader of the free world and

1413
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 3: stands to possibly be the leader of the freeworld again.

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Speaker 3: And he's just given a shout out to Lydia. That's

1415
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 3: pretty cool for Lydia. Now I've got bad news on

1416
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 3: what's going on with the manufacturing sector in this country.

1417
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 3: We got another mill that has shut it because of

1418
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 3: the power prices. This is Donnallee saw Miller's. They are

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Speaker 3: in the Rotruer area. They said, what happened last Monday

1420
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Speaker 3: is they had to look at the power prices and

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Speaker 3: they decided immediately to pull the pin for two weeks.

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01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 3: So it was just like no way, which is what

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Speaker 3: pretty much a whole bunch of them have done. No way,

1424
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 3: nobody's working for two weeks. Told the staff they can

1425
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 3: either take holiday leave or they can come in and

1426
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 3: they'll just do odd jobs around the place like cleaning

1427
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:42,640
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. What happened to them is they

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01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 3: came off a fixed price electricity contract recently and when

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Speaker 3: they went to refix they were offered another one, but

1430
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 3: it was one hundred and twenty percent higher, and they thought, nah,

1431
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 3: it's a bit steep, and they were told, look, if

1432
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Speaker 3: they stay on the spot prices through the winter, the

1433
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Speaker 3: worst case scenario is it might have about three hundred

1434
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Speaker 3: to three hundred and fifty mega watts per hour, but

1435
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Speaker 3: then last week it eight hundred. So whoever gave them

1436
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 3: that advice was wildly wrong, and that fixed price contract

1437
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Speaker 3: probably looks good now. They made the point that there

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Speaker 3: will be people out there who get power bills. So

1439
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 3: this is not you and I, but big mills power

1440
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 3: bills of up to fifteen thousand dollars generally in a month.

1441
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 3: Going to get a sixty thousand dollar bill this month.

1442
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 3: That's massive. They're going to start working again next Monday.

1443
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 3: We'll talk to Nicko Lawillis about that when she's with

1444
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Speaker 3: us next.

1445
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 2: Keeping track of where the money is glowing.

1446
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Speaker 1: With the business hour, we'd hand the DUPLICYLM and my

1447
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Speaker 1: HR on news talks.

1448
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Speaker 2: At b.

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Speaker 3: Even in coming up in the next hour, Shane Soley

1450
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 3: is going to talk us through whether the markets are right,

1451
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 3: and Adrian or is going to cut this week. Apparently

1452
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 3: construction companies are operating at only two thirds of their

1453
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 3: capacity for the year eights at sixty seven percent gets

1454
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 3: you across that. And Gavin Gray is with us out

1455
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 3: of the UK at seven past six, and with us

1456
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 3: right now we have the Finance Minister nickolawillis, Hey, Nikola,

1457
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 3: how can you ease the Reserve Bank's capital rule when

1458
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 3: the Reserve Bank is independent of view?

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Speaker 27: Well, what we will have next week is the report

1460
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 27: from the Commerce Commission have been asked to look at

1461
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 27: banking issues, competition issues in the banking sector. FOVE indicated

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01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 27: in their draft report that they think changes may need

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01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 27: to be made to the regulatory environment to make sure

1464
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Speaker 27: that those rules support competition. So I'll await their final reports.

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Speaker 27: But what I do have power over as Minister right

1466
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Speaker 27: now is the Financial Policy Remit, which the Reserve Bank

1467
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Speaker 27: has to have regard to when it's making its decisions.

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Speaker 27: And I've committed that I will be completely open minded

1469
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 27: about what changes may be required to get good banking competition.

1470
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Speaker 27: So we'll see what the Commons commissions next week.

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Speaker 3: So are you suggesting that if you needed to. You

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Speaker 3: could rewrite that remit so they would be forced to

1473
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Speaker 3: comply to comply with that remit by dropping the capital

1474
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Speaker 3: rules down.

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Speaker 27: Well, there are a number of options. We could look

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Speaker 27: at the Financial Policy Remit and the guidelines that set

1477
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:00,959
Speaker 27: so that the Reserve Bank would have consideration of those

1478
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 27: in the future. And we can look at the broader

1479
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Speaker 27: regulatory and legislative requirement if needs be. But what I'm

1480
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Speaker 27: interested in is not so much rewriting the entire book

1481
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 27: on the capital changes, but what are the things we

1482
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:18,440
Speaker 27: can do right now to make it easier for disruptors

1483
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 27: to come in and compete with those boyfore.

1484
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Speaker 3: You'd have to change the capital rules then, because this

1485
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 3: is stopping the disruptors, isn't it.

1486
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Speaker 27: Well, let's wait and see. Let's see what comments commission says.

1487
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Speaker 27: I've had time to consider the steeply they've taken submissions

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Speaker 27: from the results Bank.

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Speaker 3: I mean, how much money do they have to hold

1490
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Speaker 3: these banks in order to compete as a big bank.

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Speaker 27: Well, the rules depend on the which area of the

1492
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 27: sector they're competing in, and it depends on how much

1493
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Speaker 27: they want to lend. But also remember we're now in

1494
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 27: a new modern world where you don't necessarily want to

1495
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 27: provide all banking conducts. You might not be doing mortgages

1496
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,879
Speaker 27: and bank loans. You might just want to do current accounts,

1497
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Speaker 27: or you might just want to do cards for traveling overseas.

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Speaker 27: And we want to make sure that competitors are able

1499
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Speaker 27: to enter those niche areas and that the capital requirements

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Speaker 27: don't put them off. So we'll be working through all

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01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 27: of that, and don't you worry. I've asked for advice

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01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 27: on what our options might be.

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Speaker 3: Because are these the rules that require some of the

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01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 3: banks to hold as many as thirty million dollars? That's right,

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01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 3: I mean that's obviously stopping people getting into the market.

1506
01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 27: Well, I will see what the Comments Commission says. But

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01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 27: there's a lot of money to get together, and I say,

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Speaker 27: if we can have more people entering and disrupting and

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Speaker 27: making it a competitive space, that's good for New Zealand

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Speaker 27: and I'm up for it.

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Speaker 3: Has I mean this was in the paper on Saturdays.

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Speaker 3: Has Adrian sent you a letter about to yet any

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01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:44,879
Speaker 3: angry texts or emails?

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Speaker 25: No?

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Speaker 27: In fact I saw him this morning and we were

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01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 27: all smart.

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Speaker 3: Did it come up?

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01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 20: Oh?

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01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 27: It didn't.

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01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:54,720
Speaker 3: Well, that's awkward as well. So it was in the

1522
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 3: paper on Saturday, you said it, he read about it,

1523
01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 3: and then he didn't even raise it with you when

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01:09:58,560 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 3: he saw you.

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01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 27: I think there's a lot of respect between the two institutions.

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01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:07,639
Speaker 27: The Reserve Bank is independent from the government of the day.

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01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:11,759
Speaker 27: It doesn't think the government is accountable to the voters.

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01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 27: And we set the legislation and we set those policies.

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01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 27: Each of us has a role to play. They are

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01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 27: independent in separate roles, and what I'm signaling very clearly

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01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 27: is that this government is very interested in competition and

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01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 27: in efficiency and we want to make sure that the

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01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 27: financial rules reflect those totally.

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01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 3: Has Kibi Ral told you yet why the outer Teddy

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01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 3: crashed again last week?

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01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 27: I haven't had detailed brief on that as yet.

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01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 3: Okay. Is that because you don't expect to get a

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01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 3: detail brief or is that is that playing this game

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01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 3: where they pretend that they don't know what happened until

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01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 3: they finish their investigation.

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01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 27: Well, it's because I don't really expect to get a

1542
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 27: detailed brief because they're ultimately accountable to the maritime rules

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01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:00,719
Speaker 27: and that means that those independent investigations to take place,

1544
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 27: and I expect them to comply with those is the shareholder.

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01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 27: I don't get to direct operations in any way. I

1546
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 27: don't get to tell them what to do in their

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01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 27: day to day operations. But together with Paul Goldsmith, we've

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01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:15,759
Speaker 27: said a very clear expectation we want safe, reliable, fairy

1549
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 27: services and the maintenance needed to deliver that.

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01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 3: Are they just crashing them now until you give them

1551
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 3: a new one?

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01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 27: Oh, Heather, No one would want to put anyone at

1553
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 27: risks like that.

1554
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:30,600
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I mean the alternative is absolute incompetence,

1555
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 3: and that freaks me out slightly. But on that subject, listen,

1556
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 3: the Maritime Union reckons that the break fee for the

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01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 3: boats that were being built over in koreas five hundred

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01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 3: million dollars. Are they right?

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01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 27: I'll tell you two things about the Maritime Union. First

1560
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:46,000
Speaker 27: is we've got no credibility because actually, only three weeks

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01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 27: into me having the job they asked for my resignation.

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01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 27: So the fact they've got that on repeat isn't very interesting.

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01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 27: The second thing is I swear to you the negotiation

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01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:59,720
Speaker 27: for the repudiation of that contract is ongoing, So what

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01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 27: their means is no one knows what the break fee

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01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:07,639
Speaker 27: is does the contract have the maritime union. We are

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01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 27: in a commercial negotiation, and what the commercial settlement is

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01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 27: is yet to be.

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01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 3: When you sign a contract with somebody to do something

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01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 3: and it says and the break fee shall be, what

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01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:20,720
Speaker 3: does it say?

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01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 27: Well, I can tell you heither. There are a number

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01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 27: of masters to be worked through, and they've been worked

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01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 27: through by kV Rail with becomdo dockyard.

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01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 3: Okay, are we any closer to figuring out how the

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01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 3: hell we're going to deal with this power crisis?

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01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 27: Yes, we are, Sam and Brown and Shane Jones are

1578
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 27: working on that at pace. The first thing is what

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01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 27: we can do in the short term, and of course

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01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 27: one of the options on the table there is the

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01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 27: importation of liquefied natural gas, and the Gas Security Response

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01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 27: Group is working through the feasibility of that. At the

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01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 27: same time, we're encouraging the Electricity Authority to use all

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01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 27: of its muscle in making sure that pricing information is

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Speaker 27: available to consumers and that competition is working. Then in

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01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,720
Speaker 27: the medium term, the biggest thing, of course, is we

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01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 27: need more generation. Now. We regret that the last government

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01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 27: was so reckless and abandoning the ability for people to

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01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 27: explore for gas because that has no doubt led to

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01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 27: the situation we are in today. But what we know

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01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 27: for the long term is we're going to need more wind,

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01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 27: more solar, more generation across the board, thermal, and we

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01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 27: want to make sure that the market is able to

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01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 27: respond in that way. We know there's been a huge

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01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 27: uptick and intended investment, but as a government, we're looking

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01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 27: hard at that to make sure we're going to have

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01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 27: the generation we need into the future.

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01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, the ALERNG might take this is important. ALNG might

1599
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 3: take something like twelve months to eighteen months to be

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01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 3: able to get here, which means that we have to

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01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 3: survive this winter and then we also potentially have to

1602
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 3: sig of next winter, don't we.

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01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 27: Yeah, that's right. None of this stuff happens overnight, and

1604
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 27: that's why that Gas Security Response Group has been working

1605
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 27: through these issues in the meantime with the major gas

1606
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 27: users to make sure that gas is going to its

1607
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:12,919
Speaker 27: most essential purposes. But look, these prices are I watering.

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01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 27: They are deeply problematic for industry, for New Zealand's competitiveness,

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01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 27: and we can't allow the situation to be sustained.

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01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 3: Soths shutdown.

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01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 27: Look that that's a question for methnics rather than for me.

1612
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 12: What do you think, Well, I know.

1613
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 27: That methodics of operations have been curtailed due to the

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01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 27: high price of electricity.

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01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:36,680
Speaker 3: That is a set and the gas shortage as well.

1616
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 3: I mean they're running a half capacity and there's no

1617
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 3: indication that there will be any more gas in the

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01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 3: short term, so it must be a real prospect. And

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01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 3: if they shut down, we free up a whole bunch

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01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 3: of supply for the country. It must be a real

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01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 3: prospect that they shut down.

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01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 27: Well, look, you'd have to talk to methoenics about that.

1623
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:55,720
Speaker 27: But I tell you when that last government went out

1624
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 27: with their bumper sticker that they were banning the exploration

1625
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 27: of and Cole, did they at the same time say

1626
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 27: we're going to make sure that New Zealand loses thousands

1627
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 27: of jobs on the way through the electricity prices spike

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01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 27: and there are real concerns about energy security. No, they didn't,

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01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 27: and if they had, which New Zealander would have thought

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01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 27: it was a good.

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01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 3: Ideas, right, Nichola, thank you has always really appreciated look

1632
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 3: after yourself. That's Nichola Willis, the Finance Minister. It blows

1633
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 3: my mind. It blows my mind. If you talk to

1634
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 3: the guys in labor, they still think this is a

1635
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 3: fantastic idea and they are committed to the oil and

1636
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:31,679
Speaker 3: gas band because I was told last week they do

1637
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 3: not want the gas guys to start looking for gas again.

1638
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:39,639
Speaker 3: They don't want them to look for gas again. How

1639
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 3: crazy is that we find ourselves in this situation. Methodics

1640
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 3: potentially shutting down people paying these prices, and they're like, no,

1641
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 3: this is right, yeah, notice it's great. Do we need

1642
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 3: to give them a pay cut and labor so they

1643
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:50,760
Speaker 3: know what it's like to have to struggle to pay

1644
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 3: your bill. I think that the payer bill might be

1645
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 3: a good idea. Sorry, Heather, but two thirds of sixty

1646
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 3: six point six percent as opposed to your arithmetic of

1647
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 3: sixty seven percent. Therefore, your reporters man't try hard. Thank you,

1648
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 3: Terry Sweetish rounding mate seventeen past six.

1649
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather Duplicy

1650
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:11,559
Speaker 1: Ellen with the business hours thanks to my HR, the

1651
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: HR platform for SME on news talksb Heather.

1652
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 3: We've got a few million tons of cold down here

1653
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:19,719
Speaker 3: on the West coast. If you're interested I'm interested, Shane's interested.

1654
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 3: Most of the country is interested, so yeah, I think

1655
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 3: we'll be visiting you man. The New York Times is

1656
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 3: reporting that Donald Trump called Karmala Harris the B word

1657
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 3: rhymes with which in private. At least twice two people

1658
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 3: have spoken about this synonymously to The New York Times,

1659
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 3: and the Trump's campaign says not it didn't happen. Not

1660
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 3: the kind of language that he uses to talk about

1661
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 3: It not a story, I think, not a story because

1662
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 3: stories are only stories if shocked by it, and it's

1663
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 3: fully what I expect him to be doing. So it's

1664
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 3: just not going to Is it going to turn voters off?

1665
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to turn his voters off anyway.

1666
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 3: Listen to this, Okay, it turns out that horses are

1667
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:56,719
Speaker 3: smarter than we think they are. Researchers at Nottingham Trent

1668
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 3: University reckon they have discovered that horses can actually plan

1669
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 3: ahead and think strategically. So what they did was they

1670
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:05,680
Speaker 3: designed a game for horses and the game was in

1671
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 3: three stages for twenty horses. Okay, all twenty horses did it.

1672
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 3: So in the first stage, they gave the horses a

1673
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:13,759
Speaker 3: treat every time the horses touched a piece of card

1674
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:16,639
Speaker 3: with their noses, and the horses did it, they touched

1675
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 3: the card with their noses and they got their treats.

1676
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 3: In the second stage, the researchers then added a light

1677
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 3: which was a stoplight. If the light was on and

1678
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,640
Speaker 3: the horse touched the card, they got no treat. But

1679
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 3: if the light was off and the horse touched the card,

1680
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 3: then they got a treat. But the horses didn't care.

1681
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 3: They just ignored the light and they just kept on

1682
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 3: touching the card in discriminate. They were like, get in,

1683
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:36,880
Speaker 3: they're waiting for the treats, going to get the treats,

1684
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 3: which made them look like they were dumb and didn't

1685
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 3: understand how the light worked. But that was a wrong

1686
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 3: resumption to make, because then the researchers introduced the third

1687
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 3: third stage, They introduced a penalty for touching the card

1688
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 3: while the stoplight was on. So basically how it worked

1689
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:54,719
Speaker 3: was if the light was on and the horse touched

1690
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 3: the card anyway, they were not going to get a treat.

1691
01:17:57,280 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 3: And now they also got a ten second timeout and

1692
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 3: the horse play the game for ten seconds. The horses

1693
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:07,599
Speaker 3: responded immediately. The errors stopped. The horses only basically only

1694
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:09,680
Speaker 3: started touching the card at the right time so they

1695
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 3: could get the treats. When the light was off. They

1696
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 3: started playing by the rules because they realized if they

1697
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 3: didn't play by the rules, they were getting punished for

1698
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 3: not being for not playing by the rules, and therefore

1699
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 3: they couldn't play the game for ten seconds, and so

1700
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:22,680
Speaker 3: they didn't get the treats right. The researchers reckon that

1701
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 3: this indicates horses of a higher level of cognitive reasoning

1702
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 3: than previously thought possible, and it also suggests that rather

1703
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 3: than failing to grasp the game, the horses had understood

1704
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 3: the game the whole time, but they just didn't see

1705
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 3: any need to pay much attention to them in the

1706
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 3: second stage because there was no punishment. So actually the

1707
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 3: horses knew. The horses are smarter than we The upshot

1708
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:44,840
Speaker 3: of this is the horses are smarter than we think. Now.

1709
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 3: I firmly believe that all animals are smarter than we think,

1710
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 3: and if we knew how smart they were, we wouldn't

1711
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 3: do things like put them in zoos. I'm not going

1712
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 3: to get on the zoo subject again. We've had enough

1713
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 3: of that lately, but I've realized them starting to sound

1714
01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 3: a bit crazy about animals. But I really believe animals

1715
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 3: are smarter than we think. Just think about that before

1716
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 3: you do a mean thing to an animal. Six twenty two.

1717
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,760
Speaker 2: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Dupliclen and my HR the

1719
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 1: HR platform for sme US talks.

1720
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 3: That'd be the methodics make methanol, which is in turn

1721
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:21,759
Speaker 3: converted to formaldehyde, which is used to make reason for MDF,

1722
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 3: which is used in nearly every kitchen, bathroom, bedroom, et cetera,

1723
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Speaker 3: and New Zealand for making cabinetry and cupboards, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Steve, not obviously in Meghan woods and the

1725
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:31,599
Speaker 3: rest of the labor parties bedrooms because they just use marble.

1726
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 3: Later need this kind of stuff because they're rich. Six

1727
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 3: twenty five. Now, just two more sleeps before the Reserve

1728
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 3: Bank makes its call on the ocr And there's an

1729
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:41,680
Speaker 3: interesting dynamic of play here. Markets are firmly pricing in

1730
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 3: rate cuts, but economists are quite divided. Shane Soley from

1731
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 3: Harbor Asset Managements with me Heyshane. Yeah, Hey, Heather, what's

1732
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 3: the market pricing in at the point at this point

1733
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 3: in time.

1734
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, Look, I think that's a really good point.

1735
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:53,799
Speaker 20: There is a bit of division out there the market,

1736
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 20: the whole cell interest market. This is what we dealing

1737
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 20: every day. It's pricing at about zero point two percent

1738
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 20: of a rate, so zero point two percent of rate

1739
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 20: cap for this meeting, which implies a high but not

1740
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 20: one hundred percent probability of a normal zero point two

1741
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 20: five percent cap. But what is more importantly, if I

1742
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 20: look out to November, there's a whole one percent, just

1743
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 20: under one percent priced and takes the official cash rate

1744
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 20: to just under four and a half. And if I

1745
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 20: go out to July this time next year, we're a

1746
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 20: whole two percent. It's three and a half, So pretty

1747
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 20: interesting timing. It's all about the tone, as many things

1748
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 20: are here that it's all about whether we get a

1749
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:30,679
Speaker 20: dubbish pause or a hawkish using.

1750
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 3: I mean, it's going to be dubbish, isn't it, Shane?

1751
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 3: Is there any other option?

1752
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 20: Well, you know what, it's the evidence is starting to

1753
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 20: accumulate that allow us, the Viserve Bank and other central

1754
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 20: bankers to step away from current sittings beginning they're just

1755
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 20: too tight for where we are. Economy slowed, inflation slowed,

1756
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 20: So it's whether we actually see a cut this round

1757
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 20: or it's pushed out. Its tone, you know, will be dubbish.

1758
01:20:57,400 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 20: It will be hey, we're going to get to cut rates.

1759
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:01,719
Speaker 20: We're going to be there in and I think interest

1760
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 20: can really hither is whether the trading banks through mortgages

1761
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:09,679
Speaker 20: actually do the hard yards. For the Reserve Bank, there's

1762
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 20: still room for them to keep cutting mortgage rates given

1763
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 20: where that wholesale interest rate, that wholesale funding markets moved.

1764
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's tough for people out there. And you'll

1765
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 3: have seen what Nick Scale is going through, right.

1766
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, well you know nix Sali Australian retailer, it's

1767
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 20: aught about consumer discrition. Rand. They came out we did

1768
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:31,600
Speaker 20: this week and said, guess what what's hurting us in

1769
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 20: our results is New Zealand June and July. We just

1770
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 20: saw traffic drop down thirty five percent Australia in contrast

1771
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 20: in Philly stable. So Sumer, they're telling us that things

1772
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:44,640
Speaker 20: are much tougher in New Zealand and Australia. We know it.

1773
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 20: Sometimes when you hear it from somebody externally, it's confirmation.

1774
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, but a good news from Fletcher Building today. What

1775
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:53,479
Speaker 3: do you make of that agreement to sell one hundred

1776
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 3: percent of Tradeling.

1777
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 20: Yeah, look, I think it was expected, but nonetheless it's

1778
01:21:57,479 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 20: great that they've done it. It's been sold to a

1779
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:02,919
Speaker 20: US space family group, pretty good price in the process

1780
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 20: being used to pay down debt. It's a little bit

1781
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:07,000
Speaker 20: of a win versus you know, we've had a bit

1782
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 20: of bad news with Golden Bay supply disruption. Nice week

1783
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 20: and similarly, where all the eyes are on what happens

1784
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 20: on Wednesday, next weinstation say we're there four year result

1785
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 20: is there potential for additional provisions for some of whose

1786
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 20: major projects. But similar this puts them in a much

1787
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 20: better financial position to potentially offset liabilities related to the

1788
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 20: iPLEX pipe litigation in Western Australia or the silicosis rescue.

1789
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:36,519
Speaker 20: It's emerging, so certainly it's helpful and then the right

1790
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 20: direction for fledges.

1791
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 3: Shane's good to talk to you mate, look after yourself.

1792
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:43,560
Speaker 3: Thank you for that, Shane, Solly. Harbor Asset Management Telegraphs

1793
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 3: put out twenty habits that prove you're a boomer and

1794
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 3: number five is that you mid a phone call where

1795
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 3: you put your little finger out and you go on

1796
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 3: the phone. I did that today. I did it. That's

1797
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:57,559
Speaker 3: not boomer behavior. That's just normal, isn't it? Headlines next?

1798
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 13: Okay, Boomer numbers and getting the results.

1799
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 2: It's Heather due Sea Ellen with the business hours.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to my HR, the HR platform for SME on

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01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:14,559
Speaker 1: us talksbull can con condown three.

1802
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 2: Gosh, you're so high that she can condown.

1803
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 3: Come down, as Heather, our small to medium enterprise only

1804
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:29,040
Speaker 3: has fifty five staff, had a normal monthly power bill

1805
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 3: of around about ten thousand dollars. Last month's bill was

1806
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 3: twenty four thousand dollars. Sesh, I'm dreading this month because

1807
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 3: we've already moved on to the spot market. One of

1808
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:40,679
Speaker 3: our large clients here and Nelson has just stopped production

1809
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 3: on a rolling basis because their daily power bill has gone.

1810
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 3: Get this from forty thousand dollars a day to one

1811
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 3: hundred and forty thousand dollars a day. As we've said,

1812
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 3: I hear everybody on the station saying, and it's right.

1813
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 3: You just cannot do business with power prices at that level. Now,

1814
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 3: get a load of the case. Okay, I would have

1815
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:00,120
Speaker 3: somebody just texted and said that that phone thing you

1816
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 3: do the pinky and the thami're I'm on the phone.

1817
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:05,799
Speaker 3: I'm on the phone. That's the sign. It's actual sign language,

1818
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 3: full phone. So at least like we're not going crazy

1819
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 3: here if we're doing it. However, I was going to

1820
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 3: argue about this, this is the Telegraphs thing about you know,

1821
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 3: twenty habits approve or a boomer. I was gonna argue

1822
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 3: about thinking everybody does the pinky and the thing. Everybody.

1823
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:20,600
Speaker 2: No.

1824
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 3: Laura the producer, the German producer, has a two year

1825
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 3: old and when she does the phone sign, she just

1826
01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 3: puts her palm up to her face. Hey, so it's real.

1827
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 3: The kids think that that's a phone sign. Now it's

1828
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 3: like they're going to slap their own faces. Here's some

1829
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 3: more more indications that you're a boomer. You text with

1830
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 3: one finger, That is true, you are lame. Number two

1831
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 3: you try to pay with coins to park the car

1832
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 3: if especially if you have coins in your car specifically

1833
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:51,720
Speaker 3: for that. That's pretty old school. Most people just use

1834
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 3: like an app now or their credit card and get

1835
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:57,120
Speaker 3: charged extortionate fees fifty cents every single time. Number six

1836
01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:59,679
Speaker 3: is that you print tickets and boarding passes for planes.

1837
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 3: I can not remember the last time I did that.

1838
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 3: Who does that? Remember when you used to get the

1839
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 3: old ones out and they would all be like printed

1840
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 3: in that kind of like old school printing, and you'd

1841
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 3: have the little booklet and you have to like leaf

1842
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 3: through God and he knows what that was all about.

1843
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 3: But anyway, now you could just use your app sending

1844
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:17,679
Speaker 3: or expecting to receive thank you cards. Now, this is BS.

1845
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:20,719
Speaker 3: I don't think this is a generational thing. I'm a millennial.

1846
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 3: I'm not a boomer. You send me something, I'm gonna

1847
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:24,760
Speaker 3: send you a thank you card. Especially if it's a

1848
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 3: big event like a wedding or a baby, or like

1849
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 3: a big birthday, you send me something nice, I'm gonna

1850
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 3: send you a thank you card. After the dude was

1851
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:34,120
Speaker 3: born two and a bit years ago, I spent a

1852
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 3: week writing out thank you cards to people. I just

1853
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:39,240
Speaker 3: think that is just bad manners. That's what I'm gonna

1854
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:40,519
Speaker 3: put that one down to. You just need to raise

1855
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:43,760
Speaker 3: your children to be more polite. Eight. Not wearing sunscreen

1856
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 3: is an indication that you're a boomer. That's true. Opening

1857
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 3: a car window right if you pull up to your friend,

1858
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:51,640
Speaker 3: and then you signal to them, hey, open your car

1859
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:54,360
Speaker 3: window by doing that sign where you like roll your

1860
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 3: arm around like you're winding down a window. That's a

1861
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 3: sign that you're a boomer, unless, of course you're me

1862
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 3: because I own a deep and the jeep still has

1863
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 3: my It's an old school jeep. It still has that thing,

1864
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 3: so I'm still going to do that to you. But

1865
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:06,880
Speaker 3: the rest of the people just use there this point

1866
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 3: down like you're pressing a button. If you turn your

1867
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 3: internet off to save money, you're a boomer. If you

1868
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 3: text anything with the lipsies at the end, like how

1869
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:18,760
Speaker 3: are you doing dot dot dot? You're a boomer. Why

1870
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:20,559
Speaker 3: do you need the dots? It's weird, like you're trying

1871
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 3: to create some weird sense of suspense. Who knows. If

1872
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 3: you have ring tones or keyboard or camera noises that

1873
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:30,000
Speaker 3: other people can hear loudly, you're a boomer. You know

1874
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 3: the boomer in your life when their phone rings and

1875
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 3: suddenly it's like Sandstorm is playing it you really loud.

1876
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:38,800
Speaker 3: It's quite quite a surprise. That's because apparently most people

1877
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 3: under thirty have a ring tone that is no louder

1878
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 3: than a subtle vibration. That's all they want in their lives.

1879
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 1: Just to.

1880
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 3: That lets them know the phone's ringing.

1881
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:49,200
Speaker 10: It's because they all hate talking on the phone, so.

1882
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 3: They don't know that. That is a very very good point.

1883
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 3: And also they probably just drowned out by all the noises.

1884
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 3: If you hold on a nineteen apparently, if you hold

1885
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 3: onto paperwork for years, just in case you're a boomer,

1886
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:02,560
Speaker 3: b yes to that as well. If you've got a

1887
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 3: tax account, do you know you got to hold onto

1888
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:07,559
Speaker 3: those receipts for Lynette for seven years? You gotta put

1889
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 3: them in the attick for seven years. So I've got

1890
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:11,760
Speaker 3: seven years worth of receipts. I can tell you what

1891
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:15,559
Speaker 3: I was doing in twenty seventeen on the twelfth of August. Also,

1892
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:19,759
Speaker 3: and this is its slam dug. You get your iPad

1893
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:21,840
Speaker 3: out and try to take a photo with it, you're

1894
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 3: a boomer. Stop it twenty away from seven ever?

1895
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 2: Do for sea Ellen Now, Almost three.

1896
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 3: Quarters of builders think that the industry is in for

1897
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 3: another tough year. Unfortunately, this is according to a new

1898
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 3: survey of six hundred and fifty KIWI builders. Seventy six

1899
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 3: or rather sixty seven percent of them don't think that

1900
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 3: they don't have as much work as they did last year.

1901
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 3: Seventy percent of them think industry conditions will decline over

1902
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 3: the next twelve months, which is the vast majority of them,

1903
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 3: So you've got to believe what you're hearing. Eboss died

1904
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:51,559
Speaker 3: the survey and Matt DooDah is the managing director. Hey, Matt,

1905
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:55,559
Speaker 3: heather good evening, how much longer do you think these

1906
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:56,360
Speaker 3: guys can hang on?

1907
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 17: Well, let's provide some context here. I think the report

1908
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 17: confirms what we've been seen in building consent numbers and

1909
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:09,840
Speaker 17: anecdotal reports. Really just suggests that we've got significant capacity

1910
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 17: today and that capacity is going to remain for some time.

1911
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:17,160
Speaker 17: I think the overall message for people here is if

1912
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 17: you're actually been considering a project, whether it's a renovation

1913
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 17: or a new build, I think the window over the

1914
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 17: next twelve months is going to be the best time,

1915
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 17: probably in the next five years to get stuck into

1916
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 17: a project, because you're going to find you've got builders

1917
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:34,920
Speaker 17: and architects available when you want them, and we've got

1918
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 17: married with building prices, building product prices at stabilized rates,

1919
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:44,439
Speaker 17: and competitive labor rates as well. So I think we

1920
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 17: should try and encourage the demand for building in terms

1921
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:53,200
Speaker 17: of you know, for those hanging on, we're builders to

1922
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:56,519
Speaker 17: operate on tight margins, so having continuity of works really

1923
01:28:56,560 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 17: important to them. So there are some concerns here, particularly

1924
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 17: for smaller builders who told us that, hey, they're doing

1925
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:08,480
Speaker 17: this toughest and have had the most significantly reduced workloads.

1926
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:12,920
Speaker 3: So I would imagine that you guys would be particularly worried,

1927
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:14,960
Speaker 3: or people who are worried about stuff would be particularly

1928
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:18,320
Speaker 3: worried about the twenty one percent or thereabouts who are

1929
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 3: working at about at zero to forty nine percent capacity, Right,

1930
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:24,160
Speaker 3: I mean, you're not doing half the work you could

1931
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:27,040
Speaker 3: be doing. Who are these people? Are they the sole traders?

1932
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 3: Are they the small guys?

1933
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:32,760
Speaker 17: Yeah, it's definitely skewed towards the smaller, smaller companies. I

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Speaker 17: would however, mention that you know, some of the larger

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Speaker 17: companies have actually got significant pipelines and more positive about

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Speaker 17: the future, and it also urged people to think that

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Speaker 17: are just remind them there's some regional differences here, so

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Speaker 17: there's different levels of demand depending on where we are

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Speaker 17: in the country. But you know, in terms of the

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Speaker 17: actual financial stability, you know, we're actually seeing the report

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Speaker 17: that you know, most builders, they're responsible, and they are

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Speaker 17: actually responding like anyone tightening their fhiscal belt. They've mentioned

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Speaker 17: multiple factors to looking to drive greater efficiency. They're open

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Speaker 17: to utilizing new products and technology, and certainly thinking about

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Speaker 17: widening their portfolio of services, particularly into the renovations market.

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Speaker 2: So it's good to see.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I was quite fascinated to hear that some builders

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Speaker 3: are wary of the new law that's going to remove

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Speaker 3: the requirement for the local certification of materials. I would

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Speaker 3: have thought that they would want it to want it

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Speaker 3: to be easy to get the stuff in.

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Speaker 4: I hear the way I read the report, I actually

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Speaker 4: see that the majority of builders are actually supportive of

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Speaker 4: loosening the rules to allow more imported product.

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Speaker 17: But I do think that a number of them just

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Speaker 17: have a word of caution for the government to make

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Speaker 17: sure that not all product is considered equal. So let's

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Speaker 17: think about taps and toilets differently from windows and structural

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Speaker 17: elements and roofing products.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's actually a very good point. Matt, thanks so much, mate,

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Speaker 3: appreciate to look after yourself. It's Matt do to Eboss's

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Speaker 3: managing director, here. The not printing a boarding pass is

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Speaker 3: quite funny when the phone battery runs out. I saw

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Speaker 3: that last month. That is a fail. That is a fail.

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Speaker 3: And in that case you should have if you think

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Speaker 3: that you are that kind of a person, you print

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Speaker 3: that boarding pass out. Now we were completely over I

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Speaker 3: told you. I told you they were completely overthinking the

1969
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Speaker 3: bank sea stuff, right, because now we've got seven of them.

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Speaker 3: We've got seven of these pieces of banks. He are

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Speaker 3: and at the time, people remember last week we're talking

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Speaker 3: about people like Hugh He's comparing the rioters to zoo animals,

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Speaker 3: and it's like, nah, that's not what's happening here.

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Speaker 9: No, no, no.

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Speaker 3: Apparently all he's doing is giving us something to give

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Speaker 3: us a moment of unexpected amusement, given that things are

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Speaker 3: so intense at the moment. And he's got the support

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Speaker 3: organization pest control office that has indicated that theorizing about

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Speaker 3: the deeper significance of each new image had been way

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Speaker 3: too involved. So it was all it was was a

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Speaker 3: bit of life relief, light relief, wasn't it. It was

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Speaker 3: no head in meaning there's nothing about us being like

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Speaker 3: animals or anything like that. Just here's a cat having

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Speaker 3: a stretch nice to look at. Thank you Benksy accord

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Speaker 3: it to seven.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics, it's all

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Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with hither duplicy Ellen and my HR,

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Speaker 1: the HR platform for sme us talk CIB Right.

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Speaker 3: Devin Gray is our UK correspondent, Gavin Evening.

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Speaker 23: To you, good morning to you. Hell yeah.

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Speaker 3: Have we got some evacuations going on in Greece?

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Speaker 15: Now?

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Speaker 23: Yeah, this looks some really pretty bad. They've had a

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Speaker 23: really severe weekend. Forty fires broke out in Greece since

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Speaker 23: Saturday afternoon and firefighters are still battling seven of them.

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Speaker 23: Five hundred firefighters in total, one hundred and fifty vehicles

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Speaker 23: deployed to help put out the flames, but perhaps most

1998
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Speaker 23: symbolic residents around to the north of Athens north and

1999
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Speaker 23: east have been evacuated, and the historic side of Marathon

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Speaker 23: is among the areas where residents are being moved to

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Speaker 23: safety by the emergency services. With flames reaching as high

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Speaker 23: as twenty five meters. Firefighters are also evacuating people trapped

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Speaker 23: by flames in a convoy of twenty to twenty five vehicles.

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Speaker 23: They've been trying to get out and the flames were

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Speaker 23: behind them, and then before they knew it, the flames

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Speaker 23: were in front of them. Are just trapped on the

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Speaker 23: road to the firefighters trying to get them out safely,

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Speaker 23: but residents of the historic town Marathon told to evacuate

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Speaker 23: towards the beach where it's considered to be safer. The

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Speaker 23: problem has been the winds again found in the size

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Speaker 23: of the flames, winds up to forty six miles an hour,

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Speaker 23: so probably looking about sixty something kilometers per hour there,

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Speaker 23: and the firefighters say that's made life really really difficult,

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Speaker 23: with hospitals absolutely crammed as well in the area, and

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Speaker 23: the flames really pretty close to Athens.

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Speaker 3: Now given listen, there's been a warning that those rioters

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Speaker 3: could actually be some of them could be jailed for

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Speaker 3: up to ten years as as serious.

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Speaker 23: Yes it is, and that's because when the public prosecutions

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Speaker 23: first looked at those responsible, they did the sort of

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Speaker 23: low hanging fruit first of all, in that the easy

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Speaker 23: to identify the ones that were on CCTV, and frankly

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Speaker 23: the sort of smaller crimes in terms of the scale

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Speaker 23: of justice. This week we're likely to see more come

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Speaker 23: before the court, and this time, we believe they're going

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Speaker 23: to be much more serious rioting and a serious charges

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Speaker 23: rather on the rioting scale, and so we're now seeing,

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Speaker 23: according to Stephen Parkinson, the Director of Public Prosecutions, some

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Speaker 23: riots this week could be jailed for up to ten

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Speaker 23: years because of the more serious charges. The problem has

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Speaker 23: always been with this, the fact that we are already

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Speaker 23: very very close to capacity of prison cells. And you

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Speaker 23: know that the previous the current government blamed the old

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Speaker 23: government and said it was their fault and responsibility. Either way,

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Speaker 23: they have managed to clear sum cells up. But we're

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Speaker 23: being told now police so far arrest nearly eight hundred

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Speaker 23: people in connection with the rioting. Three hundred and fifty

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Speaker 23: of those have now been charged, and because they are

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Speaker 23: looking out at charges of violent disorder and above, those

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Speaker 23: charges are going to be much much more serious and

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Speaker 23: could well result to his longer prison terms.

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Speaker 3: This week, Devin, that little lego shark that was fished

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Speaker 3: out after twenty seven years actually in pretty good next

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Speaker 3: for nearly thirty years.

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Speaker 12: See, isn't it.

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Speaker 23: It's a couple of barnacles on it. But yeah, so

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Speaker 23: this is an amazing story. So back in February of

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Speaker 23: nineteen ninety seven, a cargo ship carrying fifty one thousand,

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Speaker 23: eight hundred lego sharks were basically swept off the cargo

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Speaker 23: ship and into the ocean about thirty miles off Land's End,

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Speaker 23: to the southwest of England. It was a freak wave

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Speaker 23: and sixty two shipping containers went down, nearly five million

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Speaker 23: pieces of lego aboarded. The amazing thing was that in

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Speaker 23: amongst this collection was basically a collection of new lego

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Speaker 23: pieces the building blocks for children, which were all related

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Speaker 23: to the sea. So there were sharks, and there were

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Speaker 23: different fierce and all sorts of things. But you know,

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Speaker 23: no sharks had ever been found before, despite this being

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Speaker 23: some twenty seven years ago and then just going into

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Speaker 23: the ocean, so obviously the currents were playing their tricks. However,

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Speaker 23: a fisherman ironically has snagged one of those lego sharks,

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Speaker 23: the first to be found, and it did look in

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Speaker 23: pretty good audio all right, but it's still click into

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Speaker 23: place is quite another matter. But there is believe it

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Speaker 23: or not, the society that looks for lost Lego pieces,

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Speaker 23: they have confirmed it is a shark and they have

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Speaker 23: confirmed it is the first piece of all those fifty

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Speaker 23: one eight hundred lego sharks that were made the very

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Speaker 23: first one to be discovered some twenty seven years off.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good stuff, Kevin, Thank you. Always appreciate talkings. You're

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Speaker 3: talking in a couple of days. Devin Gray, UK correspondent.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's micro chrome.

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Speaker 1: Or just plain economics, it's all on the Business Hour

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Speaker 1: with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR, the HR platform

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Speaker 1: for sme usp.

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Speaker 3: Heather, what's wrong with being a boomer? Should we rip

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01:37:12,439 --> 01:37:14,479
Speaker 3: into all the gen z x y Z for how

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01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:16,280
Speaker 3: to go about their daily tasks? Yes, thank you for

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Speaker 3: allowing me to do that. Actually, I love this. I

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Speaker 3: love ripping into another generation for being idiots. I don't

2081
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Speaker 3: know if you realize this, but the younger generation comes

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01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:26,040
Speaker 3: up with some pretty dumb ideas and then they share

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Speaker 3: them on social media, particularly on TikTok, and then the

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Speaker 3: other people think it's a great idea, and then they

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Speaker 3: do it, and then they're all doing the dumb idea.

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Speaker 3: And this is this, I think is quite peculiar to

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Speaker 3: Z's Zena's boomers whatever they called what are they called

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01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:42,280
Speaker 3: zoomers zoomers thank you and alphas or whatever. So the

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Speaker 3: latest stupid idea that they're promulgating on TikTok and other

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Speaker 3: social medias. Is that you wash your fruit and your

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Speaker 3: veggies and the dishwasher because they are so obsessed with washing,

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Speaker 3: like they're like, oh pesticides, oh bird poo, So they

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Speaker 3: wash it. But now they're buying so much fruit and

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Speaker 3: vegetables because they're rich, aren't they so much of this?

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Speaker 3: I can't possibly do it by hands. They have to

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Speaker 3: stick it in the dish washing and put the dish

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Speaker 3: washer on. I mean, like, is this the biggest con

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Speaker 3: Is this the biggest kind of like meat? Is this

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Speaker 3: the nexus of stupidity and laziness? Anyway, it's a bad

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Speaker 3: idea because for a start, you're getting rid of the

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Speaker 3: pieceta side, but now you're putting detergent all over it. Ay,

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Speaker 3: have you looked at what the detgent does to you?

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Speaker 3: That's not a good thing. You need to be washing

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Speaker 3: that off. Even if you're not running the detergent, there'll

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Speaker 3: be traces in there. And you're putting that all over

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Speaker 3: your fruit and veggies, and you're cooking them at a

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Speaker 3: temperature that's not good for them. Also, dishwashers are gross.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever tried to clean it. That's disgusting. Now

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Speaker 3: you're just putting gross dishwasher water all over your apples

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Speaker 3: as the fall of bacteria and ye yeast and mold. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: So that's a dumb idea. The young people are doing ants.

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Speaker 10: All right, quickly, let's do this eleven times eleven oh

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Speaker 10: one hundred and twenty one, eight times seven fifty six,

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Speaker 10: twelve times five oh sixty nine times.

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Speaker 3: Twelve hundred and twenty straight hundred and eight.

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Speaker 10: Yep, that's right, eight times six sixty four, No, fifty six.

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Speaker 16: I don't know.

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Speaker 10: It was pretty good, though, I'll give you that. Henry

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Speaker 10: the Octopus the dance remix to players out tonight, almost

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Speaker 10: definitely on the setlist at that Wiggles Rave.

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Speaker 3: Yeah too right. I'm just gonna pump it up really

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Speaker 3: late down in that dogamins got me on. Henry's fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for that and I appreciate that. Enjoy your

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Speaker 3: evening to see tomorrow Walter for.

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Speaker 12: A while on le pants and show you all the tentacle.

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Speaker 1: Dances down in that Henry. He's been to you and

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Speaker 1: everybody for more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive listen live

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