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Speaker 2: Take it.

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Speaker 3: It's Hendrick, it is out, The Test is over. Couldn't

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Speaker 3: smokes a beauty?

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Speaker 4: It is out and.

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Speaker 3: Here he goes this delivery has any years as to go.

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Speaker 1: On the front foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody,

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Speaker 3: Hello, here we are on the front foot. Well we

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Speaker 3: might be on the back foot for a while. The

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Speaker 3: Test Championship has gone still a mathematical chance, but I

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Speaker 3: can't find anybody prepared to give odds on three wins

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Speaker 3: over India and three over England, a game decided by

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Speaker 3: the toss. What's required to make Test cricket appearing spectacle?

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Speaker 5: I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: I want to see an even contest. It hasn't been

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Speaker 3: a good week for Test cricket either, just thirty five

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Speaker 3: overs in the first three days and the Test match

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Speaker 3: and come pour between India and Bangladesh. Goodness gratus me

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Speaker 3: a slight glimmer of hope for the white ferns. Finally

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Speaker 3: a win a warm up fifteen the side match, but

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Speaker 3: a win's a win on the front foot with Brian Model,

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Speaker 3: Jeremy Canney and Peter Holland with us once again, boy

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Speaker 3: talk about basball. What are the black Caps facing up to? Jerry?

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Speaker 5: The Indians.

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Speaker 6: Fifty in three overs, that's right, that's right. I mean

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Speaker 6: Bangler Desh got about two thirty on the first day,

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Speaker 6: then on day four India came out and smashed it

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Speaker 6: two hundred and eighty five at eight point two runs over. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: thirty four hours, they had a lead of about fifty odds.

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Speaker 6: You can imagine how the spinners and the bowlers are

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Speaker 3: Hey, Peter Holland's Peter, are you here three overs, fifty

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Speaker 3: runs the way you used to bat mate?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yeah, yes, yeah, well quite as I remember it, Brian.

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Speaker 2: But I just I one I watched it with It

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Speaker 2: That said, though, I was looking at the way the

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Speaker 5: But I.

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Speaker 2: Worry what Jaswell is going to do to the captain

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Speaker 3: because that Test series, a rather embarrassing loss, has left

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Speaker 3: Pretty poor performance really and post match well the captain

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Speaker 3: Tim Salvey assessed the team's performance.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's a very tough place to come, Schlanka a

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Speaker 6: Well, I think was only a week to go before

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Speaker 3: Well, they gets to the stage where the call goes

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Speaker 3: Well, I said to you guys last week that he

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Speaker 3: I think I was right, And the bookies had the answer.

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Speaker 3: They were offering one dollar one cent.

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Speaker 3: That fact that they didn't change the team, and we

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Speaker 6: You always see the catch before it arrives. You've rehearsed

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Speaker 5: Their mental approach to what they were doing.

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Speaker 2: There's a reason why it's a Test match. It's got

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Speaker 6: Well, well they did. They provided our side with a

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Speaker 2: Which was the point I was trying to draw out, Jerry.

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Speaker 2: you know, I commensal like that.

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Speaker 6: Podds. Do you feel that their spinners were better than ours.

434
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Speaker 3: Yeah, quite clearly that's the case, because they're experienced in

435
00:24:45,013 --> 00:24:48,413
Speaker 3: those conditions. That's why I say that these pictures, to

436
00:24:48,573 --> 00:24:52,973
Speaker 3: my mind, don't meet the specifications that I want from

437
00:24:53,013 --> 00:24:53,573
Speaker 3: Test cricket.

438
00:24:53,613 --> 00:24:54,173
Speaker 5: Here's the guy.

439
00:24:54,213 --> 00:24:59,213
Speaker 3: Jayasuria who plays just about all his Test matches in Gare.

440
00:24:59,773 --> 00:25:03,853
Speaker 3: He's taken ninety five Test wickets. Sixty nine of them

441
00:25:03,933 --> 00:25:08,293
Speaker 3: have been at Gaul. He's taken ten at SSC and Column,

442
00:25:08,813 --> 00:25:11,373
Speaker 3: so seventy nine out of ninety five all been taken

443
00:25:12,013 --> 00:25:15,493
Speaker 3: in his home patch. When he gets away from home,

444
00:25:16,133 --> 00:25:20,613
Speaker 3: he's hardly noticeable. He doesn't take wickets to that extent. Yeah,

445
00:25:20,613 --> 00:25:23,093
Speaker 3: he got a wicker or so at the Test series

446
00:25:23,373 --> 00:25:28,493
Speaker 3: in England, but you know that quite expensive. The end

447
00:25:28,493 --> 00:25:30,973
Speaker 3: result from my mind is that I want to see

448
00:25:30,973 --> 00:25:35,493
Speaker 3: a cricket pitch where seam bowlers bowl more than thirty

449
00:25:35,573 --> 00:25:38,973
Speaker 3: four overs, which was what happened when New Zealand bowled

450
00:25:39,093 --> 00:25:41,013
Speaker 3: in their innings and the rest of the time it

451
00:25:41,173 --> 00:25:44,533
Speaker 3: was spinners. In the Sri Lankan bowling to New Zealand.

452
00:25:45,493 --> 00:25:48,613
Speaker 3: I think a Cida Fernando bowled a couple of overs.

453
00:25:49,053 --> 00:25:51,133
Speaker 3: The bloke they brought in to rough.

454
00:25:51,013 --> 00:25:51,493
Speaker 5: Up the pitch.

455
00:25:51,813 --> 00:25:54,333
Speaker 3: He bowled four overs and that was the end of it.

456
00:25:54,453 --> 00:25:56,973
Speaker 3: We just saw a diet of spin bowling. I don't

457
00:25:57,053 --> 00:26:00,053
Speaker 3: mind a diet of spin bowling, but I want to

458
00:26:00,053 --> 00:26:03,533
Speaker 3: see quality spin bowling. I don't believe these guys are

459
00:26:03,573 --> 00:26:07,253
Speaker 3: quality until they've been able to deliver outside their country.

460
00:26:07,373 --> 00:26:11,093
Speaker 3: Nathan Lyon takes wickets all over the world. Shane Warn

461
00:26:11,173 --> 00:26:13,653
Speaker 3: took them all over the world. All these other spin

462
00:26:13,733 --> 00:26:16,333
Speaker 3: bowlers who've done wonderfully. Well, here's the guy. He's got

463
00:26:16,533 --> 00:26:20,893
Speaker 3: ninety five Test wickets and seventy nine of them have

464
00:26:21,093 --> 00:26:23,613
Speaker 3: been in conditions that he enjoys. Great.

465
00:26:23,773 --> 00:26:24,533
Speaker 5: Go out and do it.

466
00:26:24,933 --> 00:26:26,853
Speaker 3: You'll get wins. But I don't know that it does

467
00:26:26,933 --> 00:26:30,213
Speaker 3: anything for spin bowling. That's my opinion. I might get

468
00:26:30,293 --> 00:26:33,173
Speaker 3: duffy On to have a chat with him about it. Well,

469
00:26:33,613 --> 00:26:35,413
Speaker 3: take me apart most take me apart.

470
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not sure I can do that because I'm

471
00:26:38,573 --> 00:26:43,253
Speaker 2: kind of sitting here nodding somewhat and that goes against

472
00:26:43,253 --> 00:26:44,373
Speaker 2: the grains for me a little bit.

473
00:26:44,453 --> 00:26:45,413
Speaker 6: But I.

474
00:26:47,133 --> 00:26:50,773
Speaker 2: Would hazard guess to say that I think they are

475
00:26:50,893 --> 00:26:55,053
Speaker 2: better spinners. I thought this debutante they bought and he's

476
00:26:55,133 --> 00:26:58,413
Speaker 2: not young by any stretch of imagine Bob beautifully, the

477
00:26:58,533 --> 00:27:03,053
Speaker 2: Bally got the Russian Avenger out, and the second Eggs

478
00:27:03,213 --> 00:27:07,373
Speaker 2: was an absolute peach. So I didn't see as bowling

479
00:27:07,413 --> 00:27:12,173
Speaker 2: any of those in those conditions. And when you have

480
00:27:12,293 --> 00:27:13,973
Speaker 2: to go there, you've got to adapt to the conditions,

481
00:27:14,013 --> 00:27:17,533
Speaker 2: and I frankly our guys don't because mostly the part

482
00:27:17,573 --> 00:27:20,973
Speaker 2: timers and they very rarely get to bowl the number

483
00:27:21,013 --> 00:27:23,653
Speaker 2: of overs that you need to bowl. How guys just

484
00:27:23,693 --> 00:27:27,933
Speaker 2: don't do that. They don't get it, so again they

485
00:27:28,013 --> 00:27:31,853
Speaker 2: come in underdone. And I also don't think the captain

486
00:27:31,933 --> 00:27:36,093
Speaker 2: really knows how to handle spinners and which gens to

487
00:27:36,133 --> 00:27:40,133
Speaker 2: bowl them from. I think Kay Williamson was somewhat similar

488
00:27:40,213 --> 00:27:42,453
Speaker 2: as well, So I don't think that helps you know

489
00:27:42,533 --> 00:27:44,653
Speaker 2: which end should it be bowling from. There was a

490
00:27:44,693 --> 00:27:48,093
Speaker 2: few comments on the commentary from the structure lank and

491
00:27:48,133 --> 00:27:51,533
Speaker 2: commentators that maybe I just Bettell should be from the

492
00:27:51,573 --> 00:27:53,853
Speaker 2: other end and not this end. Those sorts of things

493
00:27:54,293 --> 00:27:55,413
Speaker 2: that all plays into it.

494
00:27:55,573 --> 00:27:55,853
Speaker 3: So I.

495
00:27:58,053 --> 00:28:01,253
Speaker 2: Think they in their conditions are just better, clearly, But

496
00:28:01,373 --> 00:28:02,813
Speaker 2: I don't think we help ourselves.

497
00:28:03,333 --> 00:28:06,093
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not sure where the Wards answered my question.

498
00:28:07,213 --> 00:28:11,573
Speaker 6: My question was better spinners and you talked a lot

499
00:28:11,613 --> 00:28:14,853
Speaker 6: about the pitch words and it's the pitch that's making

500
00:28:14,933 --> 00:28:21,493
Speaker 6: them dangerous. Well, yeah, they take wickets there, and that's

501
00:28:21,533 --> 00:28:24,173
Speaker 6: the usual things that happen when you travel around the

502
00:28:24,253 --> 00:28:29,453
Speaker 6: world bowling. You know, units have become accustomed the same

503
00:28:29,533 --> 00:28:32,813
Speaker 6: as in New Zealand, we play, we don't even play.

504
00:28:33,213 --> 00:28:37,453
Speaker 6: Patel goes missing in New Zealand. I think I reckon.

505
00:28:37,533 --> 00:28:41,213
Speaker 6: He just changes his whole face somehow and no one

506
00:28:41,333 --> 00:28:44,733
Speaker 6: can find him, you know. And then suddenly when there's

507
00:28:44,733 --> 00:28:47,813
Speaker 6: an Asian tour coming up, he pops out from somewhere

508
00:28:47,893 --> 00:28:50,693
Speaker 6: like a forest and they say, look, go to Asia

509
00:28:50,773 --> 00:28:54,733
Speaker 6: and win us a Test match. You know, these are

510
00:28:54,933 --> 00:28:58,533
Speaker 6: very silly things to be doing. We've we've got to

511
00:28:58,613 --> 00:29:02,093
Speaker 6: play a spinner all the time of some sort, and

512
00:29:02,973 --> 00:29:08,813
Speaker 6: I just feel they're spinners. They turn the ball harder

513
00:29:09,813 --> 00:29:13,973
Speaker 6: and they bowl into the surface a lot better than

514
00:29:14,053 --> 00:29:18,373
Speaker 6: we do. Patel, for example, User's flight, but I get

515
00:29:18,413 --> 00:29:22,453
Speaker 6: the feeling as the ball drops, which is great. It's

516
00:29:22,573 --> 00:29:27,413
Speaker 6: not actually biting quick turn once it hits the ground.

517
00:29:28,013 --> 00:29:31,893
Speaker 6: Whereas Paris that you're talking about, he got quick turn.

518
00:29:32,373 --> 00:29:36,133
Speaker 6: He beats the defense of bat and jas Suri is

519
00:29:36,133 --> 00:29:38,253
Speaker 6: a wee bit the same as well. They hardly have

520
00:29:38,333 --> 00:29:41,493
Speaker 6: a run up, do they. They kind of walk into bowl,

521
00:29:42,373 --> 00:29:45,293
Speaker 6: but they get a lot of work with their body.

522
00:29:45,813 --> 00:29:48,373
Speaker 6: There was a shot at one stage of the guy

523
00:29:48,453 --> 00:29:51,373
Speaker 6: piis bowling and you could see his non bowling arm

524
00:29:51,893 --> 00:29:54,573
Speaker 6: had gone from up. He uses it quite nicely and

525
00:29:54,613 --> 00:29:57,613
Speaker 6: then it goes right out and extended behind him. He

526
00:29:57,813 --> 00:29:59,893
Speaker 6: was up on his front toe to get nice and

527
00:30:00,053 --> 00:30:02,373
Speaker 6: high and he was bowling into the.

528
00:30:02,413 --> 00:30:06,573
Speaker 3: Pitch that guy Paris was basically there was a comparison

529
00:30:06,613 --> 00:30:11,093
Speaker 3: between him and the bloke he'd replace, and the way

530
00:30:11,133 --> 00:30:14,573
Speaker 3: he uses his arm and his action, and you couldn't

531
00:30:14,733 --> 00:30:16,933
Speaker 3: argue with that. I mean, I'm not arguing that they're

532
00:30:16,973 --> 00:30:19,493
Speaker 3: good in their conditions, but I think I would like

533
00:30:19,573 --> 00:30:21,773
Speaker 3: to judge the quality of spin, and they're better than

534
00:30:22,013 --> 00:30:24,653
Speaker 3: New Zealand spinners. As you say, Jerry, But I mean,

535
00:30:24,773 --> 00:30:27,413
Speaker 3: you look at a guy like Nathan Lyon who's developed

536
00:30:27,413 --> 00:30:30,293
Speaker 3: his game over a long period of time, takes work,

537
00:30:30,333 --> 00:30:33,973
Speaker 3: it's in all conditions. He came out here and you

538
00:30:34,053 --> 00:30:37,493
Speaker 3: know on the Basin reserve last year showed us how

539
00:30:37,813 --> 00:30:42,853
Speaker 3: to bowl spin, didn't he and we used Phillips, didn't

540
00:30:42,893 --> 00:30:46,733
Speaker 3: we to the same degree, and that's why perhaps what

541
00:30:46,973 --> 00:30:50,293
Speaker 3: you're saying is that we should look to Phillips type

542
00:30:51,253 --> 00:30:56,133
Speaker 3: Bracewell type rather than the nice flighty type that you

543
00:30:56,293 --> 00:30:56,773
Speaker 3: talked about.

544
00:30:57,453 --> 00:31:01,053
Speaker 6: Well, flighty type bowl as wads will deceive you in

545
00:31:01,173 --> 00:31:04,013
Speaker 6: the air, won't they as a batsman, So don't get

546
00:31:04,093 --> 00:31:08,013
Speaker 6: you out before you've played your shot because they've it's

547
00:31:08,133 --> 00:31:11,373
Speaker 6: the ball is actually pitched shorter than you think. Then

548
00:31:11,453 --> 00:31:14,053
Speaker 6: you need the second part of the equation, which turns

549
00:31:14,133 --> 00:31:16,453
Speaker 6: the ball past the outside edge of your bat if

550
00:31:16,493 --> 00:31:18,693
Speaker 6: you can, if you're a right hander, and we're talking

551
00:31:18,733 --> 00:31:22,973
Speaker 6: about Patel, so you need to have both those components. Certainly,

552
00:31:23,053 --> 00:31:27,173
Speaker 6: on a good pitch, the flighty bowlers come more into play,

553
00:31:27,853 --> 00:31:30,973
Speaker 6: and I'm talking about we're calling that a good pitch,

554
00:31:31,093 --> 00:31:34,853
Speaker 6: but it doesn't necessarily mean that. It just means it's

555
00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:37,813
Speaker 6: flatter and it doesn't turn quite so much. But there

556
00:31:37,893 --> 00:31:40,893
Speaker 6: are going to be pitchers around the world that do turn.

557
00:31:41,573 --> 00:31:44,573
Speaker 6: And we've got to expect that every country has its

558
00:31:44,613 --> 00:31:48,773
Speaker 6: own weather systems, its own part of soil and so on,

559
00:31:49,333 --> 00:31:51,453
Speaker 6: and they are going to be and that's a good thing.

560
00:31:51,613 --> 00:31:54,493
Speaker 6: I think. Actually that's the one of the beauties of

561
00:31:54,533 --> 00:31:57,853
Speaker 6: the game. In New Zealand we play four seamers. We

562
00:31:58,013 --> 00:32:02,373
Speaker 6: grow grass, we have farms. We're good at growing grass,

563
00:32:02,813 --> 00:32:06,653
Speaker 6: and so we don't pick spinners, and so we have

564
00:32:06,893 --> 00:32:10,413
Speaker 6: four seamers bowling. But that's what we do. When they

565
00:32:10,493 --> 00:32:14,053
Speaker 6: come we we we push poor old ages. Per sell aside,

566
00:32:14,093 --> 00:32:18,533
Speaker 6: he just got ten wickets and earnings, So I find

567
00:32:18,933 --> 00:32:22,093
Speaker 6: I'm not surprised that New Zealand find it a bit harder.

568
00:32:23,053 --> 00:32:26,373
Speaker 6: We our biggest turner as Bracewell, and we didn't use

569
00:32:26,453 --> 00:32:29,413
Speaker 6: them on a pitch that responds to turn. I thought

570
00:32:29,493 --> 00:32:32,013
Speaker 6: that was unless he's got the yips and the nets.

571
00:32:32,853 --> 00:32:34,093
Speaker 6: I couldn't understand that.

572
00:32:34,773 --> 00:32:37,613
Speaker 2: But isn't it noticeable though that you look at Australia

573
00:32:37,973 --> 00:32:39,693
Speaker 2: they go in with line. Well you would, wouldn't you.

574
00:32:39,733 --> 00:32:43,653
Speaker 2: I mean, he's just just world, world, world class bowler.

575
00:32:44,133 --> 00:32:47,573
Speaker 2: But I'm also seeing England they know that persisting with

576
00:32:47,653 --> 00:32:51,893
Speaker 2: a spinner, and McCallum's bringing on a couple of new

577
00:32:51,973 --> 00:32:55,333
Speaker 2: ones and they go in with a spinner, and and

578
00:32:55,413 --> 00:32:58,053
Speaker 2: that's in England. Contrasts that with us and we're not

579
00:32:58,213 --> 00:33:00,693
Speaker 2: doing that. We go on with a part timer. That's

580
00:33:00,733 --> 00:33:04,933
Speaker 2: what we do. Therefore, he's never an opportunity to develop

581
00:33:05,013 --> 00:33:09,053
Speaker 2: those skills. I just think that we we don't help

582
00:33:09,093 --> 00:33:12,453
Speaker 2: ourselves in that regards with this over alliance on the mediums.

583
00:33:14,013 --> 00:33:15,773
Speaker 2: It exposes us as a result.

584
00:33:16,533 --> 00:33:18,333
Speaker 6: When we go and we don't have a We don't

585
00:33:18,373 --> 00:33:21,493
Speaker 6: have a spin bowling coach, do we. That's interesting. We

586
00:33:21,813 --> 00:33:25,373
Speaker 6: have a bowling coach who's basically a seamer. They've always

587
00:33:25,413 --> 00:33:28,813
Speaker 6: been seemas, but we don't have because that's what we

588
00:33:28,973 --> 00:33:31,213
Speaker 6: use in New Zealand. But we don't have a spin

589
00:33:31,333 --> 00:33:34,813
Speaker 6: bowling coach, do we? Why aren't we sending Ages Patel

590
00:33:34,853 --> 00:33:37,093
Speaker 6: if he's going to be regarded as our best spinner,

591
00:33:37,213 --> 00:33:39,253
Speaker 6: send him to rung in our hair outs or get

592
00:33:39,333 --> 00:33:42,853
Speaker 6: hair ath to come over and and spend a bit

593
00:33:42,893 --> 00:33:46,973
Speaker 6: of money in trying to develop a spinner who's going

594
00:33:47,053 --> 00:33:51,253
Speaker 6: to be bowling in different conditions. Hair aths got markets everywhere.

595
00:33:51,453 --> 00:33:53,613
Speaker 3: We've got a favorite of time to look at that

596
00:33:53,733 --> 00:33:56,293
Speaker 3: over the next few weeks, because we're going to see

597
00:33:56,293 --> 00:34:00,453
Speaker 3: the same bowlers I would imagine in India for the

598
00:34:00,533 --> 00:34:02,773
Speaker 3: three Test matches we're going to win over there, and

599
00:34:02,853 --> 00:34:04,613
Speaker 3: then the three we're going to beat England and we

600
00:34:04,773 --> 00:34:08,293
Speaker 3: qualify for the final of the World Test champions.

601
00:34:08,973 --> 00:34:11,413
Speaker 6: That's true, yell.

602
00:34:11,453 --> 00:34:15,533
Speaker 5: We have to rolls off. The towards came along easily.

603
00:34:15,893 --> 00:34:18,573
Speaker 6: We've we've just got into the final.

604
00:34:18,653 --> 00:34:21,653
Speaker 5: Well done, no problem at all.

605
00:34:22,133 --> 00:34:25,453
Speaker 3: Sadly, guys, this week we end on a sad note.

606
00:34:25,493 --> 00:34:27,853
Speaker 3: A good mate of all three of us in cricket,

607
00:34:27,973 --> 00:34:32,613
Speaker 3: Ian Taylor, passed away just after our last edition. Tales

608
00:34:32,653 --> 00:34:35,413
Speaker 3: a man who committed his life to cricket. He was

609
00:34:35,453 --> 00:34:39,373
Speaker 3: a player and administrator, mister reliability. You could ask him

610
00:34:39,413 --> 00:34:41,373
Speaker 3: to do anything and he would get it done. And

611
00:34:41,533 --> 00:34:44,933
Speaker 3: that was over sixty five years. A true caring friend

612
00:34:45,133 --> 00:34:48,373
Speaker 3: and Jerry, You and I will remember him foremost as

613
00:34:48,493 --> 00:34:51,933
Speaker 3: manager of the team to Pakistan in nineteen eighty four,

614
00:34:51,973 --> 00:34:56,213
Speaker 3: although you traveled with him other times and other pop Australia.

615
00:34:56,333 --> 00:34:59,773
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, as a manager, he's he was a good

616
00:34:59,893 --> 00:35:04,573
Speaker 6: man and a friend. Yeah, Pakistan was for forty years ago.

617
00:35:05,733 --> 00:35:09,373
Speaker 6: We didn't have Richard Hadley. We did and have Jeff Howarth.

618
00:35:10,293 --> 00:35:14,773
Speaker 6: Hard Tour a decent team to play against Zahira bas

619
00:35:15,733 --> 00:35:22,133
Speaker 6: Motion Khan, Javid Me and Dad Sulim Mullock, Abdul Tadamber

620
00:35:22,213 --> 00:35:27,933
Speaker 6: him Ikbal Khazine. No neutral umpires that became a bit

621
00:35:27,973 --> 00:35:31,533
Speaker 6: of an issue. In fact, Tales Tales, Tails was the

622
00:35:31,613 --> 00:35:34,213
Speaker 6: one who met me at the rope as I was

623
00:35:34,293 --> 00:35:37,973
Speaker 6: leading the team off and the third test after another

624
00:35:38,173 --> 00:35:40,453
Speaker 6: mich had been given not out and it was Jarvid

625
00:35:42,253 --> 00:35:45,413
Speaker 6: Uh and Braces was talking to him at the time

626
00:35:46,053 --> 00:35:49,373
Speaker 6: and said, Javid said to him, I will I will

627
00:35:49,493 --> 00:35:53,453
Speaker 6: meet you, Bracewell, I will meet you, Yes outside the pavilion,

628
00:35:53,813 --> 00:36:04,333
Speaker 6: yes after play. Brace's no now. But but Taials met

629
00:36:04,413 --> 00:36:06,253
Speaker 6: me and pushed me back and said, no, we're not

630
00:36:06,373 --> 00:36:09,013
Speaker 6: doing this, Jeremy. So that that was good, a sensible

631
00:36:09,053 --> 00:36:10,693
Speaker 6: thing to do, and we went back onto the field.

632
00:36:11,733 --> 00:36:15,173
Speaker 6: In those days, the jur as we used to call them,

633
00:36:15,333 --> 00:36:18,693
Speaker 6: the manager was always a board member and you were

634
00:36:18,733 --> 00:36:22,053
Speaker 6: either rewarded for service or you know, long service, or

635
00:36:22,173 --> 00:36:27,573
Speaker 6: it was a jaunt for you. And as such they

636
00:36:27,613 --> 00:36:31,293
Speaker 6: were a little remote from the players. They fulfilled the

637
00:36:31,373 --> 00:36:35,053
Speaker 6: role as the board rep, you know, talking to other

638
00:36:35,413 --> 00:36:39,173
Speaker 6: prominent sort of members once that you got away, and

639
00:36:39,293 --> 00:36:41,493
Speaker 6: they looked after all the finances and all that sort

640
00:36:41,493 --> 00:36:44,573
Speaker 6: of travel and motels and hotels. KALs did all that,

641
00:36:45,173 --> 00:36:49,133
Speaker 6: but importantly he closed the gap between the player and

642
00:36:49,213 --> 00:36:53,413
Speaker 6: the administrator, and the team really enjoyed that. I remember

643
00:36:53,533 --> 00:36:57,053
Speaker 6: being he he had ansh sense of humor. I remember

644
00:36:57,093 --> 00:36:59,853
Speaker 6: in rol Pindi it was the start of the tour

645
00:36:59,973 --> 00:37:05,213
Speaker 6: in Pakistan and the military officer and the president Mohammed

646
00:37:05,373 --> 00:37:09,813
Speaker 6: zil Hak who was willed a few years later, actually

647
00:37:11,693 --> 00:37:15,413
Speaker 6: he want he wanted to meet the team. So we

648
00:37:15,533 --> 00:37:19,533
Speaker 6: lined up and Tales was moving along the line introducing

649
00:37:19,613 --> 00:37:22,253
Speaker 6: all of the members of the team. But he used

650
00:37:22,333 --> 00:37:30,013
Speaker 6: all our nicknames. So he came to Farmer, Chatfield, Spring Creek,

651
00:37:30,133 --> 00:37:39,133
Speaker 6: cans Pirate, McEwan, shake a right, Rocky Boch so I mean,

652
00:37:39,413 --> 00:37:41,973
Speaker 6: but by the time President Zia departed, he was a

653
00:37:42,053 --> 00:37:49,733
Speaker 6: bewildered man. We we had loads of functions on that tour,

654
00:37:49,813 --> 00:37:53,293
Speaker 6: didn't we was We used to attend them, probably three

655
00:37:53,373 --> 00:37:57,973
Speaker 6: a week, night after night. Yeah, Tales, you know, used

656
00:37:57,973 --> 00:38:02,133
Speaker 6: to speak and he had very cleverly bought a large

657
00:38:02,293 --> 00:38:08,093
Speaker 6: bag of plastic tickies before he left New Zealand, and

658
00:38:08,493 --> 00:38:11,853
Speaker 6: he gave these and dispensed them to all the dignitaries

659
00:38:12,373 --> 00:38:16,333
Speaker 6: at each of these functions, and they became quite a hit.

660
00:38:17,613 --> 00:38:20,453
Speaker 6: And I remember overhearing a wife of one of these

661
00:38:20,533 --> 00:38:25,413
Speaker 6: notables beseeching her husband to go and get one of

662
00:38:25,533 --> 00:38:35,653
Speaker 6: those New Zealand green frogs. But look, I mean there's

663
00:38:35,693 --> 00:38:40,453
Speaker 6: so many stories with tales. But he was such a

664
00:38:40,533 --> 00:38:45,293
Speaker 6: friend to the players without losing any authority, and he

665
00:38:45,493 --> 00:38:49,893
Speaker 6: was approachable. He felt for the players. He listened and

666
00:38:50,013 --> 00:38:53,093
Speaker 6: he laughed, and he had his gin and he debated.

667
00:38:54,333 --> 00:38:56,773
Speaker 6: You know. He was another ear when the mail hadn't

668
00:38:56,813 --> 00:39:00,253
Speaker 6: come through and when you weren't selected. He was a

669
00:39:00,373 --> 00:39:05,013
Speaker 6: player's manager, you know, in the real sense of the term.

670
00:39:05,173 --> 00:39:09,013
Speaker 6: And we were lucky to have him. And I'm so

671
00:39:09,333 --> 00:39:13,173
Speaker 6: pleased that I saw him in februry at the basin,

672
00:39:13,493 --> 00:39:16,893
Speaker 6: you know, and heartfelt feelings to his wife Christine or

673
00:39:16,933 --> 00:39:17,533
Speaker 6: miss Tiles.

674
00:39:18,693 --> 00:39:21,733
Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, most you would have been involved in playing

675
00:39:21,933 --> 00:39:24,333
Speaker 3: for Wellington. When he was an administrator at Wellington.

676
00:39:24,853 --> 00:39:30,733
Speaker 2: Oh remember him well. And finally as well, and a

677
00:39:30,853 --> 00:39:34,413
Speaker 2: gentle person was how it struck me. I had time

678
00:39:34,453 --> 00:39:39,413
Speaker 2: for people, and it's I think of a fine person

679
00:39:39,693 --> 00:39:43,613
Speaker 2: and you know, a great administrator. Meanwhile, having a pretty

680
00:39:43,653 --> 00:39:47,413
Speaker 2: successful career I recall, as well as in business.

681
00:39:48,373 --> 00:39:53,173
Speaker 3: Yes, he certainly worked in business in the Carogatory motel

682
00:39:53,413 --> 00:39:57,013
Speaker 3: in I just finished off with one story about that

683
00:39:57,133 --> 00:39:59,893
Speaker 3: tour of eighty four Jerry, and you remember it well.

684
00:40:00,573 --> 00:40:02,133
Speaker 3: I think you were asleep in bed at the time.

685
00:40:02,213 --> 00:40:04,173
Speaker 3: It was the night we were do to leave, and

686
00:40:04,893 --> 00:40:07,493
Speaker 3: there was me, Billy Stirling and I think Boki were

687
00:40:07,533 --> 00:40:10,173
Speaker 3: having a few drinks to finish off. What left was

688
00:40:10,213 --> 00:40:13,453
Speaker 3: the fifty thousand dozen cans of dB that they had

689
00:40:14,733 --> 00:40:15,933
Speaker 3: in the in the.

690
00:40:17,853 --> 00:40:18,933
Speaker 5: Team room, and.

691
00:40:20,733 --> 00:40:22,213
Speaker 6: Most of them are stolen. Words.

692
00:40:24,813 --> 00:40:28,173
Speaker 3: Tails was packing his bag and he bought these carpets,

693
00:40:28,733 --> 00:40:31,173
Speaker 3: you know, some really nice carpets, and he was rolling

694
00:40:31,173 --> 00:40:32,893
Speaker 3: them up and getting them ready to tie so that

695
00:40:32,933 --> 00:40:35,493
Speaker 3: they could come home with all the gear. And then

696
00:40:35,693 --> 00:40:37,533
Speaker 3: all of a sudden he was looking through his bag

697
00:40:38,413 --> 00:40:42,693
Speaker 3: and he looked and he couldn't find some money. He said,

698
00:40:42,893 --> 00:40:45,613
Speaker 3: I've lost ten thousand jewish. I think it was about

699
00:40:45,613 --> 00:40:48,653
Speaker 3: ten thousand ten thousand uish. I said, no, that must

700
00:40:48,693 --> 00:40:52,733
Speaker 3: be somewhere Tales, No, he said, I've lost it. It

701
00:40:52,813 --> 00:40:56,173
Speaker 3: was here. It's the player's money. And this was all

702
00:40:56,253 --> 00:40:59,853
Speaker 3: the payouts to the players and the exchange of rupees,

703
00:40:59,893 --> 00:41:04,253
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera, and here, yeah, it was your money.

704
00:41:04,573 --> 00:41:06,813
Speaker 3: And he was he was rolling up these carpets, and

705
00:41:06,853 --> 00:41:09,333
Speaker 3: I thought, have you not spent them on the not

706
00:41:09,413 --> 00:41:10,653
Speaker 3: spent the money on the carpets?

707
00:41:11,053 --> 00:41:11,413
Speaker 5: Tails?

708
00:41:11,613 --> 00:41:14,293
Speaker 3: It looks as though they're pretty good, Nona, it's a past.

709
00:41:14,733 --> 00:41:17,453
Speaker 3: He closed or he got them to close the hotel down.

710
00:41:18,053 --> 00:41:20,653
Speaker 3: They put guards on the doors and no one could

711
00:41:20,693 --> 00:41:23,173
Speaker 3: get in and out of the hotel. And this was

712
00:41:23,213 --> 00:41:26,533
Speaker 3: about one o'clock midnight, and we were flying out at

713
00:41:26,733 --> 00:41:29,093
Speaker 3: six in the morning, and the players had to be

714
00:41:29,133 --> 00:41:31,293
Speaker 3: woken up. And I went round to the rooms and

715
00:41:31,293 --> 00:41:34,053
Speaker 3: we knocked on all the rooms, so everybody got woken up,

716
00:41:34,133 --> 00:41:35,333
Speaker 3: and you had to check and see that they were

717
00:41:35,333 --> 00:41:37,933
Speaker 3: awake and ready to go, and Billy Stealing did exactly

718
00:41:37,973 --> 00:41:40,933
Speaker 3: the same. We get down the Sned's room and I said, oh,

719
00:41:41,013 --> 00:41:45,133
Speaker 3: the massive panic upstairs, massive panic. Tales has lost ten

720
00:41:45,253 --> 00:41:50,173
Speaker 3: thousand US of the players money and Snitz's not the

721
00:41:50,453 --> 00:41:54,133
Speaker 3: money you gave me to distribute to the players. And

722
00:41:54,253 --> 00:41:56,533
Speaker 3: everybody sigh of relief, and I said, you don't tell

723
00:41:56,613 --> 00:42:00,853
Speaker 3: Tales when you get upstairs. He'd forgotten that he'd get

724
00:42:01,573 --> 00:42:03,813
Speaker 3: Sneers because Sneers was the team treasurer.

725
00:42:05,613 --> 00:42:10,453
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that was a mad moment, and Tales and I.

726
00:42:10,533 --> 00:42:13,333
Speaker 3: Have talked about that just about every year for forty

727
00:42:13,413 --> 00:42:17,693
Speaker 3: years since, because, to my mind, the funniest moment from it,

728
00:42:17,853 --> 00:42:21,493
Speaker 3: and I saw him hurting there at that time, and

729
00:42:21,533 --> 00:42:23,933
Speaker 3: of course we had a long history through club and

730
00:42:24,213 --> 00:42:30,373
Speaker 3: domestic cricket around Wellington. So very very able administrator and

731
00:42:30,493 --> 00:42:35,933
Speaker 3: a bloody good blow and you'll be missed. Which brings

732
00:42:35,973 --> 00:42:40,413
Speaker 3: us to an end of this program and we will

733
00:42:40,893 --> 00:42:43,813
Speaker 3: join together at some stage in the near future. Most

734
00:42:43,853 --> 00:42:46,053
Speaker 3: thank you very much once more for your time. We've

735
00:42:46,093 --> 00:42:48,253
Speaker 3: got the Indian series coming up and we'll be looking

736
00:42:48,293 --> 00:42:53,973
Speaker 3: at that with a very close eye, and you too, JC.

737
00:42:54,213 --> 00:42:56,933
Speaker 3: You can and just brush up on some of those

738
00:42:57,253 --> 00:43:00,893
Speaker 3: Indian names and we'll have a long discussion at some

739
00:43:01,053 --> 00:43:04,173
Speaker 3: stage about spin bowling in Sri Lanka. Perhaps that could

740
00:43:04,213 --> 00:43:05,333
Speaker 3: be a fun topic.

741
00:43:07,653 --> 00:43:10,653
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, no, it's it's going to be an interesting

742
00:43:11,093 --> 00:43:13,293
Speaker 6: three tests. You're really going to have to really lift

743
00:43:13,333 --> 00:43:14,213
Speaker 6: their game, aren't they.

744
00:43:14,453 --> 00:43:17,133
Speaker 5: We all know that, Yes, definitely.

745
00:43:17,973 --> 00:43:20,813
Speaker 2: I just think you're looking at Boomra, who I think

746
00:43:20,933 --> 00:43:23,573
Speaker 2: is in ahead of a few of our players. You've

747
00:43:23,653 --> 00:43:27,333
Speaker 2: got s Yeah, you've got deep and they're all bowling

748
00:43:27,413 --> 00:43:31,693
Speaker 2: up round one forty clicks and those two fabulous spinners.

749
00:43:31,773 --> 00:43:32,533
Speaker 2: That's going to be a.

750
00:43:34,013 --> 00:43:37,493
Speaker 6: Got a good watch. Yeah, well, we we may have

751
00:43:37,653 --> 00:43:40,693
Speaker 6: to play Sears, We may have to play Henry we

752
00:43:40,773 --> 00:43:43,933
Speaker 6: may have to play, or who knows, we'll see ye.

753
00:43:44,613 --> 00:43:47,213
Speaker 5: Interesting word, probably against.

754
00:43:49,093 --> 00:43:55,013
Speaker 6: One summer.

755
00:44:01,853 --> 00:44:04,413
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