1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Hello, it's Matt Heath here with a massive self source. 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: My number one best selling book, Are Lifeless Punishing Thirteen 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: Ways to Love the Life You Got, is out now. 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: It's the result of a deep dive I took into 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: how to deal with the emotions that make our lives 6 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: more punishing than they need to be. 7 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 2: I reckon, I found a. 8 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: Way to live a life less bored, less stressed, angry, worried, annoyed, scared, dissatisfied, 9 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: and more. 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The number one 17 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: best selling are Lifeless Punishing Thirteen Ways to Love the 18 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: Life You Got, as available in all good bookstores now. 19 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: Shocking self source. 20 00:00:49,200 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 2: Over girme. 21 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 3: Bizes, welcome all, Ye be spoky Doki So the Matt 22 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 3: and Jerry Daily Bespoke Podcast for the twenty fourth of June, 23 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 3: the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty four. 24 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,919 Speaker 1: Apologies about the last podcast. Today's podcasts will not slip 25 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: into into that sort of blue material that we we 26 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: slipped into on Friday. Oh yeah, we deleted that, haven't we? 27 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 1: That podcast? Does that still up or is it Friday? Yeah? No, 28 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: that's up. Can we strike that from the record. Well, 29 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: my thing is with deleting. And look, I've said this 30 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: to James mconey a number of times on the Agenda podcast, 31 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: just why don't you edit as you go, like, use 32 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: your edit as you go to your You have the ability, 33 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: you always have the ability not to say something, you 34 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: know what I mean. 35 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 4: You're a professional, Jerry, You've got what twenty five years 36 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 4: of experience. You understand this better than anyone. Like what 37 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 4: I just don't understand, Jerry as well, is as you know, 38 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 4: you were being yourself on that episode. I think what 39 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 4: you're asking here is people to maybe not actually know 40 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 4: you as a person. And now I think maybe the 41 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 4: audience feel closer to you after that episode. They understand 42 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 4: who you are as a person, how you operate, and 43 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 4: the things you like to say behind closed doors, and 44 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 4: now it's out there, and you know what, there's just 45 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 4: tough titties. 46 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 2: Mate, Hey, Jerry. 47 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: One thing that we went recording speaking of tough titties 48 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: is you and me, Jeremy. 49 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 4: The other day. 50 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: I'm not sure we were walking from we've been somewhere. Correct, 51 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: where do we mean? I think we've been dressed as 52 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: Vikings for some reason, you and me, we've been dressed 53 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: as vikings. Mesh was dressed as a bird. I was 54 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: also a Viking. You just as a bird. You were 55 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: not a Viking. 56 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 4: The hid garment was confusing for you. I understand that 57 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 4: it was kind of framed me in a slightly sexual light. 58 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: Well, anyway, I know, I don't mean like a bird 59 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: asn't a female. I mean you actually look like a bird. 60 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: You look like a bird. Did you think he was 61 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: a bird like a female or a birdbird? 62 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 4: Oh? 63 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: No, I thought like he looked like a bird, bird 64 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: like a birdbird. 65 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 4: Well, where were my wings? No? 66 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: You didn't. 67 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 5: Well we didn't have wings, but not all birds have wings? 68 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 5: Like more, where are the tough titties, No, the tough 69 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 5: to what are the tough titties? Where are the safe tea? 70 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: Anyway? Once we were leaving. We were leaving there, me 71 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: and Jeremy walked back to to up up this way 72 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: from where we were. We're in some kind of medieval 73 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: building and we're walking up and we were looking at 74 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: all the road cones and we were walking through this 75 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,679 Speaker 1: sort of walkway with protection, and we had that chat. You, Jerry, 76 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: had a good chat about risk and where we were 77 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: talking about how potentially the reason why this country seems 78 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: to be in a bit of a malaise at the moment, 79 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: and everyone seems to be feeling a bit directionless is 80 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: because we've decided that safety is the most important thing, 81 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: that everything should be safe, and safe is a virtue. 82 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: And the end result of that is that everywhere you go, 83 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: there's twenty five trillion road cone. Everywhere you go, you 84 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: seem to be restricted. There's a new rule, there's a 85 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: rule in front of you. So if you lean one 86 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: hundred percent into safety over risk, then you are constantly 87 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: being restricted in what you're doing. And I think that 88 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: brings into a malaise. And so I just thought when 89 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: we were walking along there, Jerry, there was a quote 90 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: from Frederic Nietzchei, the great philosopher, that I couldn't remember 91 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: at the time, so I've looked it up. Are you 92 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: ready to hear it? Please? For believe me. The secret 93 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 1: of harvesting from existence the greatest fruitfulness and the greatest 94 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: enjoyment is to live dangerously. Build your cities and the 95 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: slopes of Vesuvius, Send your ships into uncharted seas, live 96 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: at war with your peers and yourselves. Be robbers and conquerors. 97 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: As long as you cannot be rulers and possessors, you 98 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: seekers of knowledge. Soon the age we passed when you 99 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: could be content to live hidden in the forest like deer. 100 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: At long last, the search for knowledge will reach out 101 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 1: for its due. It will want to rule and possess, 102 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: and you with it. So what Natree's saying, he's basically saying, 103 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: and he's been killed him to just shorten it down 104 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: a bit. He's saying it a bit virtually. It's something 105 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: called the gay science. That excuse me, the book, the 106 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: book it's in The gay science loves that about what 107 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: is that is that? Man on man? Back in the day, 108 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: the word gay actually didn't mean gay happy, I mean happy. 109 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: So the gay science, like you've wrapped your lips around 110 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: a gay time haven't you a gay time? Multiple golden 111 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: gay time? 112 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 4: The golden gay. 113 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: Used to mean something else, but what what Nietzsche's really 114 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: saying there is an ess. You embrace an issue, emplaced, 115 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: embrace risk. Then you fall into a horrible malaise, and 116 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: then risk will find you. Basically so, danger will find 117 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: you the more you try and hide from danger. Right, 118 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: it will find you to find you, but it's in 119 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: a weird form that you're not quite expecting. And so 120 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: now we live in a society where like say, for example, 121 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: recently they lowered the speed limit to thirty kilometers an 122 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: hour on the back and a bunch of places on 123 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: the back of people saying the risk safety, safety, safety, safety, safety, 124 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: But they don't understand that the malaise that you bring 125 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: on people by restricting them to thirty kilometers an hour 126 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: across the country and do different places every day, it 127 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: makes people less satisfied with their life and feel less 128 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: auto autonomy, and as a result, will achieve less great 129 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: things because all great things are achieved with risk. Right, nothing, 130 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: nothing great is achieved by safety. No safety, You're just 131 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: slowly making your world smaller and smaller and removing more 132 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 1: and more passion more and more entrepreneurial attitudes, and you 133 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: slowly your society becomes basically slips into a malaise because 134 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: when people are happiest when they risk something and they 135 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: pull it off. Yeah, risk, because there's because there's there's 136 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: a huge amount of risk. I mean, like even like 137 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: on a basic level speaking public speaking right for example, 138 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: I mean that feels unsafe. 139 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 6: That the whole thing about like you know what, Bundy 140 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 6: jumping and stuff. It's like risk, it's the biggest is 141 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 6: because you think that you're about to die. 142 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. And you were talking the other day about the 143 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: Apache Indians. Was it the Commentsche or the Apache? It 144 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: was the it was the Lakota Coda Indians Coda Indians 145 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: when they were offered security by the American government. American government, 146 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: You're like, nah, but we really like warring and we 147 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: like running around scalping people. We love it. 148 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 6: They actually said they enjoyed, they enjoyed the fun of 149 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 6: killing people. And I know you might think, well that 150 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 6: sounds a bit grim, but they said that's all part 151 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 6: of life. 152 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: Life. Life is war, war is life doing weird things 153 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: like scalping. They were really into that. 154 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 6: And actually it was the fourteen year olds and the 155 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 6: kids who hadn't experienced that stuff yet who were the 156 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 6: most opposed to it, because the oldies were like, oh, yeah, 157 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 6: we've done all that. Yeah, we're quite happy to sit 158 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 6: around and doing. 159 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: And whilst I'm not suggesting everyone gets on hoo back 160 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: and rides around scalping people, I mean that might be 161 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: too much risk as far as I'm concerned, but I 162 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: think people should to be happy. I think you've got 163 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: to embrace risk, like say, for example, Mashi, yes you 164 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,239 Speaker 1: were a little wounder from South Canterbury. 165 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 4: Yep, that's right North No, North Canby. 166 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: Sorry sorry that's from South Canbiya. Yeah, I get confused. 167 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: And you embrace risk in your life. 168 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 4: I suppose I did. I hadn't really thought about it 169 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 4: in that way before. 170 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: But rolling and broadcasting, still going, putting yourself out there, 171 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: you know, and you've ended up on this fucking excellent 172 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: radio show, you. 173 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 2: Know, like you have to you have to. 174 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: You know, like you moving to another city, moving out 175 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: from your parents' house. All all these kind of things 176 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: in life are when you feel the most alive, Like 177 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: your first flat, you know, when you were suddenly taking 178 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: on the risk of paying your own rent and the 179 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: risk of of you know, supporting yourself and feeding yourself. 180 00:08:58,640 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: That's when you feel most alive. 181 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 4: Right, the satisfaction of what happens to someone when they 182 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 4: have taken a risk and then I mean golf for 183 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 4: bid they actually, I don't know, it pays off. Yeah, 184 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 4: it's one of the best feelings that you'll have as 185 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 4: a human. What's happened in the past traditionally around societies 186 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 4: that have been relatively oppressed, with a lot of rules 187 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 4: coming in and then the society itself turning into a 188 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 4: bit of a middle ais. It tends to not set 189 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 4: you up for success, does it. 190 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're celebrating people doing less rather than doing more. 191 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: That's what you're doing. I mean, look at rugby union 192 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: for example. Every time they bring a new rule into 193 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: rugby union, does it make it better? 194 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 4: No? No, is the answer to their question. 195 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 6: So we're in a weird situation where for the first 196 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 6: time in history, the people who are younger aren't the 197 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 6: ones making who are keen to make any risks. Normally, 198 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 6: what happens as young people turn up, the youth turn up, 199 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 6: and the oldies have been through all of the stuff. 200 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 6: The same thing that happened to Lakota Indians. So the 201 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 6: oldies have been through stuff and that they've learned from 202 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 6: their experience and they don't risk much because they've got 203 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 6: a whole lot of things. They're generally more conservative of 204 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 6: time's gone on and normally what you go as the 205 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 6: young ones pushing back against the crazy roles of the 206 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 6: of what you've got and wanting to risk things a 207 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 6: bit more. 208 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: Now, we're actually. 209 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 6: Because I think younger people have been taught in a 210 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 6: much more safety conscious way that that you've got young 211 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 6: people there more conservative than they've ever been. 212 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're way more risk averse than the older people. 213 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: It's weird. 214 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 4: You'd have to say, it's the first time. 215 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: It's x of the like I read this thing about 216 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: how gene x are considered psychos now because of our 217 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: embracement of risk. 218 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 4: We love it. You'd have to say a lot of 219 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 4: the more modern political ideas that are coming up, especially 220 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 4: in New Zealander, almost more closely related to those of 221 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 4: of what you guys are saying that the words left 222 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 4: me the sea word conservatives, that they're more aligned to 223 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 4: the conservative ideas of one hundred years ago or whatever. 224 00:10:59,520 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 2: Isn't it. 225 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they think that they're not conservative. They think 226 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 1: they're railing against people, but actually what they're trying to 227 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: do is rain in other people. The idea is that scary, right, Well, well, 228 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: I guess it's something to do with like you know 229 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: that there's this scrape book that Jonathan Hydroy called The 230 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,719 Speaker 1: Coddling of America, and he puts it back to you. 231 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: You're watching you guys are watching Eric at the moment. 232 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 4: Actually just did start that over the weekend. 233 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 1: So around that area in the late seventies early eighties 234 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: in America, they started printing the pictures of the kids 235 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: that had gone missing on milk cartons, and so every 236 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: morning people got up and saw a missing kid and 237 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: then they went, shit, my kid could get kidnapped. Even 238 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: though kids weren't really getting kidnapped. It's mainly dad, who 239 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: was supposed to take them, you know, like in a 240 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: divorce sentiment, was taking them off them. So we've had 241 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: a society since then people have started really really protecting 242 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 1: their kids. So kids have been more moody, coddled and 243 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: looked after than ever, and increasing generations driving them to 244 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: school and all that kind of stuff, so kids aren't 245 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 1: used to risk, They don't grow up with risk. And 246 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: in his argument Jonathan Hight is that seeing your kids 247 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: from the youngest age down to the dairy or they 248 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: call them shops to buy stuff on their own as 249 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: soon as you can, you want them out crossing roads 250 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 1: by themselves. And then you make kids that are that 251 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: are fully rounded, they're competent. Do you want your kid 252 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: to be safe or competent because you can't look after 253 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: them all the time, You're not going to be with 254 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: them forever. 255 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 4: I went to a pub to watch the Blues game 256 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 4: over the weekend. Oh yes, this conversation just made me 257 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 4: think of something. There was a son there, a young 258 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 4: boy who was probably about eleven at this pub, and 259 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:40,839 Speaker 4: he was there with his old man and his mum. 260 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 4: And his old man and his mum were having a 261 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 4: great time. They were really getting stuck into their work. 262 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:48,439 Speaker 4: And I accidentally swore and I apologized and I said 263 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 4: sorry about that. 264 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. 265 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 4: And then the father said something very interesting to me. 266 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 4: He may or may not have been a listener to 267 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 4: the show, but he said, mate, the reason I've brought 268 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 4: my son out to things like this so he can 269 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 4: experience all different kinds of things. Yeah, he's got if 270 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 4: he hears an F bomb, he hears an F bomb 271 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 4: and on the way home we say, yeah, that's a 272 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 4: bad thing to say. And and that's how it goes. 273 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 4: And the reason that we brought him along here is 274 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 4: if look, if we see someone on the way home, 275 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 4: on the walk home, weinging in the in the in 276 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 4: the curb there, it's a lovely thing for him to 277 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 4: have learned that. Maybe that's not a great thing to do, 278 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 4: so don't worry about it. Well everyone he was about 279 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 4: eleven bomb. No, but this is the thing that you 280 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,679 Speaker 4: worry about, you know. And then it was just it 281 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 4: was really refreshing. 282 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 1: One thing I did, and I'm not saying I'm a 283 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: great parent, but one thing I did was with my 284 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: kids is I always made them pay the bill at restaurants. 285 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: Ah so at the end of the night, how much 286 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: money they're making, well with my credit card, but actually 287 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: going up and having to work out the bill, remember 288 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: what was on, discuss it with the person at the 289 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: end of the night, with the pub. So they had 290 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: to deal with adults all the time. That is, because 291 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: you couldn't be build of getting it from the table. 292 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 5: It was. 293 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: There was a little bit of that as well. But 294 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: because I grew up kind of rually, I used to 295 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: be quite scared of shopkeepers. I have the same thing 296 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,719 Speaker 1: and I still have it to this day. Still, it's 297 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: such a strange thing to be scared of. Yeah, well 298 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 1: that's because you grew up in suburb of Auckland. But 299 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: we didn't really experience that a lot growing up. Like 300 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: my parents probably took me out to a restaurant once 301 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: every five years or something like. We didn't really go places, 302 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,839 Speaker 1: so it was quite a weird. Just dealing with people 303 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: behind counters was freaking weird for me. I didn't really 304 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: know what to do, and so I was determined with 305 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: my kids that they were not going to be scared. 306 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: As a result, my son Barry is just off talking 307 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: to the bloody behind the counter and hanging out with people, 308 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: and he couldn't give a less of a shit about anything, 309 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: like in fact, at school camping and it got up 310 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: into a ten minute stand up comedy routine. He's totally 311 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: not scared of of talking in front of people, all 312 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. I was petrified off And. 313 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 4: On a slightly more positive note of what we've been 314 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 4: talking about, I'm sure that is what's going to happen 315 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 4: is what's going to happen in about twenty years from now. 316 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 4: I hope there's going to be a new shift towards 317 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 4: this kind of creativity so quiet for so long. 318 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well you take like political statements used to 319 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: be you would risk a lot, you'd go out and 320 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: you know, risk a lot. But now a lot of 321 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: political statements are just liking something on Instagram. Hard. 322 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's quite it's quite buzzy. 323 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 2: Though. 324 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: Should we take a break? What are you going to 325 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: tease it? After the break? 326 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 6: Take a break and we'll come back with Mash's description 327 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 6: of his downstairs. So, Mash, you promised that you were 328 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 6: going to describe your downstairs. 329 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: This is interesting from you, Jeremy, because yesterday, I mean 330 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: on Friday, you went through just an emotional problem because 331 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: of the reputational loss that you could have experienced for 332 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: the content of that pod on Friday, right, Yeah, and 333 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: then and then do you think maybe you're your own 334 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: worst me? 335 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 6: And answer that question simply, is I've always sort of 336 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 6: on my own worst enemy. I would like to know 337 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 6: anybody who's not their own worst enemy. 338 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: But wouldn't you say that if we keep to the 339 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: topic of risk before we risked a lot and as 340 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: a result that prodcasts and fronts very popular. Yeah, and 341 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: it moved forward because because we you rist a lot 342 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: with you talking about long haul Verge. I will say this. 343 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 4: I got into the car with my girlfriend on Sunday. 344 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 4: She was listening to that point. Oh God, and I 345 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 4: think you should be concerned by the way, oh God, disgusting. 346 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 4: But that's just an a side point. 347 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: You were building a house on the slopes of Mount 348 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: Vesuvius with that pot to risking things. Well, I said 349 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: delete it. You just upset that that that that wish 350 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: wasn't followed through with what you want to road cone 351 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: off that podcast? You know, is that what you want 352 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: to do? Road off that podcast? Make the rules for everybody? 353 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 6: I mean, I think everyone was speaking a little freely 354 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 6: about the issues around you know, LHV and and all 355 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 6: that sort of stuff, and around also five Day Dog Verge, 356 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 6: which was the most concerning thing I seem to remember. 357 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 4: Just having a look at the numbers here, only twenty 358 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 4: thousand people have heard that. 359 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, take it down, so. 360 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 2: We're all good there. 361 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 4: No one heard that one, Yeah, twenty. 362 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: Thousand, But I mean it is an interesting thing, really, Jeremy, 363 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: because you have some high fences in your life, don't you. 364 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: You've got like the fences of a deer farmer, and 365 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: that there doesn't seem to be anyone watching seven sharp. 366 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: It seems to be drifting over, climbing over the fence 367 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: and finding that you're talking about l h V, you know, 368 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: in the on a podcast in the morning, and then 369 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: you're talking about I mean, what was on seven sharp 370 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: on Friday night? 371 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 4: You just climb that deer fence and seven sharp on 372 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 4: the other side of it. 373 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,239 Speaker 1: We talked. I think we talked about cabbage and how 374 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: versatile it is as a vegetable. I mean it is. 375 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 4: It's a very good point. 376 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: Stir fright, Coltlaw and the cabbage is good. I mean, remember, 377 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: I can never remember. 378 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 4: Day to day what we did on seven quite content. 379 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 4: Maybe we talk about cabbage on the Shadowmorrow. 380 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think I think it's good that you 381 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: embraced risk on the met and Jerry pod. I mean 382 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: we we me and me and Merson brute and embrace 383 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: a lot of us being on a pod with you, 384 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 1: because it's always you that takes it downstairs. 385 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 4: I stick my cock on the line regularly here on 386 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 4: this show. That's the saying, isn't it? 387 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: Speaking of what you You promised that you're going to 388 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: describe your downstairs before them was a good start. 389 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 4: Sorrying a cock on the line, I mean short, whide 390 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 4: like a child, Not like like a child. I'd say 391 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 4: a little bit longer. Look, if I was to describe 392 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 4: my downstairs and five six words or this, I'd go 393 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 4: like a chod just a tiny bit longer, a long show, 394 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 4: just over that line, just a little bit over the 395 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 4: line of child. 396 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: I mean, this is the age old question, isn't it? 397 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: Is it would you like to be abnormally wide or 398 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: abnormally long? 399 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 4: You're right, that is the hey man, when you came 400 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 4: in this morning. Actually, this is a good time to 401 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 4: bring this up speaking about this. 402 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: Well, but not you don't want to, like you don't 403 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: want a pencil. 404 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 5: At least you can know. But you can control the 405 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 5: end of it, right, you can control how far it's going. 406 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 5: And it's just like you can control the end of mine. 407 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 2: What do you mean? 408 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: Does you control. 409 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 5: Control how far it's going and and how far it's 410 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 5: not going? 411 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. 412 00:18:57,920 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, but you cannot control the width ofm. 413 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 6: Can I also just say I've never had Can we 414 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 6: steer away from like we were talking about female down 415 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 6: seas long Friday? Can we steer away from I know 416 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 6: that you you were ten to focus on your downsairs mesh, 417 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 6: but can we just steer away from it? 418 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 4: No? I'm just confused about you guys talking about deep. 419 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 4: I've never really decided how far in it goes. It's 420 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 4: just kind of either in or out. I mean, how 421 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 4: long are you going to run or out? 422 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 2: Mate? 423 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 4: This morning you came into the studio and you see 424 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 4: this morning, you now know what it feels like to 425 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 4: have a load unleash in my asshole. 426 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 5: Oh Jesus, I thought that was an offair chat. 427 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 4: Was that an offair chat? Because that can be deleted? 428 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 2: What is going on there? 429 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: Because this is a good time to talk about it. 430 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 4: This is the downstairs. I was just asking about the 431 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 4: load that was unleashed in your aus this morning. 432 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so I experienced a So what happened was 433 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: a cream? How are you going to describe this? I'm 434 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: going to do it like the herald word, which which 435 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: gives you no information but leads you down Bury the 436 00:19:55,840 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: lead Bury the lee. Click back, what's the headline? Enjoyed 437 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: radio host has load unleashed. I enjoyed. I understand I 438 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 1: enjoyed a creamy white load being. 439 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 4: Unleashed. 440 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: In my aus, I can click on that Man Heath 441 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: enjoys creamy white load pre radio show. So if this 442 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: was a herold article, that would be at the start, 443 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: and then you wouldn't find out till the very end 444 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: that it was hemroid cream and that I was. You 445 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: put the thing and then you squeeze because I've got 446 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: roids at the moment. 447 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 4: That's a shame. 448 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 1: Okay, well that clears that up. 449 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 4: We just never really got to the bottom of that 450 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 4: story when you come in at you know, before six 451 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 4: o'clock and say I've had a cream white load, and. 452 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 1: All the way to work, I was trying to think 453 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: how I was going to bury the leap when I 454 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: told you guys that story when I walked into the 455 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: studio and you did it, well, yeah, I will say that. 456 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: And now I finally understand why people enjoy this a challenge. 457 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 6: How many people can we lose? How many people can 458 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 6: we walk down this road? How many people can we 459 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 6: lead down this road before they finally realize it's a 460 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 6: cult second thing, and tenter and and go again. 461 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: Speaking of a cold sack, and can we go back again? 462 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: I'd like to share another quote from Frederic Niatsci please 463 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: from eighteen eighty six and Nietzsche's Beyond Good and Evil 464 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: Prelude to a Philosophy of the Future. It says he 465 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby 466 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: become a monster. And if you gaze for long until 467 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. 468 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 4: All right, Okay, there's a couple of jokes in there 469 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 4: that I'm going to stay well clear of. 470 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 1: Okay, Jerry, about that, yep. So what are you doing now? 471 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 2: Jerry? 472 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: Over there, You're gazing into the abyss of your smartphone. 473 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: I'm not, actually, what are you doing? You are, mate, 474 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: you are I'm not look at you. 475 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 2: You're not. 476 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: I've deleted. I've deleted my social media thing. Okay, I'm 477 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 1: just seeing if it was deleted or not. And it's 478 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: still deleted. So soothing. Even though Nietzschi wrote that in 479 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: eighteen eighty six, you could not have a quote that 480 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: is more accurate around what's happening with smartphones. So when 481 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: Frederick there wrote, so who's the monster, Well, there's the 482 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: monsters in there. He who fights with monsters? So people 483 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 1: battling on social media with monsters and dealing with the 484 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: monsters of the endless like if you He obviously wasn't 485 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: thinking about it in this ternance, but he said, if 486 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: the more time you spend with with monsters, then you 487 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: may well become a monster. I've talked about this with 488 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: back of the Why It Must Be Television, our TV show. 489 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: A lot of people we were started taking the piss 490 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: out of Bogans by the end of it because we 491 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: went to Bogenheart Bogan Park High School, so we were 492 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: called Bogans by everyone in the city. Pretty soon, a 493 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: lot of the people that were making jokes about being 494 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: Bogans became Bogans and are still Bogans to this day 495 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: because they battled with monsters and they became Bogans. Yeah, okayah. 496 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 4: And then what was the part about steering into a 497 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 4: gazs abyss. 498 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: Cream up yours? If you put cream up your ass, 499 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: the cream gazes back at you. 500 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 6: Okay, So what are you saying is that you put 501 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 6: that cream out us and soon you're going to be 502 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 6: looking to put other cream up with your ass. 503 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: If you gaze for long into the abyss, the abys 504 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: gaze is also into you. So what's that saying is 505 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: if you're just staring into nothingness, then nothingness becomes you. 506 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: And so the self owner is a cross between battling 507 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: with monsters and you'll become a monster and gazing to 508 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: the byss and and the biss gazes back into your soul. 509 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, interesting, isn't it? It is interesting? Yeah, 510 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: which is a universal truth, isn't it in terms of humanity? Yeah? 511 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 1: But I mean that's why I think that idea of 512 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: it being a black mirror. 513 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 6: Is an interesting is such a great term because you 514 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 6: just see yourself back into it. 515 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, got the worst part of yourself. But what 516 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: I'd say to Nietzsche, I'd say, Nietzsche, didn't you say before? 517 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 4: It? 518 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: Didn't Nietzsche say before that we should embrace risk and 519 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: we should build our houses on the sides of volcanoes 520 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: just to feel alive? That is that risk is risk? 521 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 6: Actually looking you're risking your own mental health by looking 522 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 6: at social media all the time. 523 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I guess, I guess as all risk physically, No, 524 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 1: because I mean, no one would say that all risk 525 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: was good because like I could, like you could say, oh, 526 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: you're going to feel it. You do do feel alive 527 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,959 Speaker 1: if you stick your dick in a blender. I mean 528 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: you do feel alive. Point don't. But you'd say that 529 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: that wouldn't be sensible risk. I mean it's not about 530 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: all risk, is it. 531 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 6: No, there's something about physics something it's really in the physical. 532 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 6: It has to do with kind of the physical, not 533 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 6: so much the mental. I mean, yeah, I think embracing 534 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 6: risk like sometimes taking the leap of maybe quitting your 535 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 6: job and starting something new, or yeah, stepping outside of 536 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 6: your comfort zone. Yeah, but that can be physical as 537 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 6: well as mental. 538 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. I guess. Also what it's saying is like if 539 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: a so society tends towards safety completely, then there's a 540 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: huge amount of risk in that. Like say, everyone is 541 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: diminished by the traffic control around Edenpark before a game, 542 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: everyone that is involved, and that has been diminished as 543 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: a human being because you've been infantalized, you've been turned 544 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: into a child, you've been said that you all of 545 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: a sudden, because you're going to this game, you can't 546 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: cross a road that you can't walk down the pavement. 547 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: That you can't sort out your own transport, in your 548 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: own system, you have been belittled by your society. And 549 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: sometimes that's what societies do. If they say that you 550 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: can't drive car faster than thirty kilometers, now they're belittling you. 551 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: They're saying that you're incompetent. That's basically their message from 552 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: your society is that you're incompetent. Whereas a better society 553 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: would be embrace people's abilities and assume naturally that people 554 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: are capable of looking after themselves. And when you do that, 555 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 1: people tend to succeed. I mean, look at six o'clock 556 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 1: closing in New Zealand. We assumed that humans New Zealanders 557 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: couldn't drink after six o'clock and be trusted, and so 558 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: people became infants, and they behave like infants by just 559 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: getting absolutely fucking steaming between five and six, you know. 560 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: So that's that's infant. That's turning people into infants. Whereas 561 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: you I think you need to punish people when they 562 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: behave like infants, but you need to assume that people 563 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: and give people every opportunity in life to show their 564 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: worth and their metal to the society they live in. 565 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 6: Okay, yep, okay, right, okay, all right, I agree, so okay, okay, 566 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 6: settle down, yeah, all right down, okay, calm down, and. 567 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 4: A blender now, yeah, no, no, no, that's what I 568 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 4: feel like doing after that is you've excited me, mate, 569 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 4: I seeds to be some risk. I'm sticking my cock 570 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 4: and a blender. 571 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: Sensible risk. 572 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 6: Better be a sort of a but it sounds like 573 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 6: how you're describing it. Better be a bloody deep blender, shallow. 574 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: My tongue and a blended. Impressed a girl once and 575 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: cut my tongue. 576 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 4: I'm oh, that's a you thing to do. 577 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 578 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 1: I didn't impress her at all, No, it was zero 579 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: impressed there impression? 580 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:24,719 Speaker 4: How's she going? Now? 581 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: Have you heard from her? 582 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 4: We're not longer to get Maybe if I stick cock 583 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 4: and a blender, should be interested. 584 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: See. Yeah, that's not the kind of risk I'm talking 585 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: about sticking your cock and a blender. The top of 586 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: risk I'm talking about is inserting something long and hard 587 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: into your anus and squeezing. It's so a nice, a 588 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 1: nice liquid, nice creamy liquid comes out. 589 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 5: How bad are hemorrhoids? 590 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 2: Though? 591 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 5: Have you guys ever had to bear the doctor of hemorrhoids. 592 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 5: Oh god, it's pretty it's pretty awful. 593 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: I have yeah, same, same, I've got hemorrhoids right now. 594 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: What are hemorrhoids? 595 00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 2: Exactly? 596 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: They pine cones, No, but they can be caused by 597 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 1: trying to force out a pine coney, maybe get. 598 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 5: Them from sitting on a cold concrete. And then the 599 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 5: doctor with the Southeast Asian accents is to you, do 600 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 5: you have a partner? And she says woman, man, and 601 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 5: looks at me like you know, And I did not 602 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 5: have a partner at all. I sat on some cold 603 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 5: concrete and then I did a lot of exercise, so 604 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 5: she thought it was sexual damage. 605 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: She's sexual year. 606 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, you've got I do like gapes as much as yours. 607 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 2: I mean. 608 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 5: And I went out and dance to Ricky Marshall. 609 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,919 Speaker 1: If you gaze into the abyss of ruders downstairs, risen 610 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: ridden cavity, the abyscuaz is also into you. 611 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 5: Do you have a partner? 612 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: On that note, man, do you have a partner, because 613 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: now it's not the time to get one, because if 614 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: they see this, it's not going to be good. 615 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 2: Anyway. 616 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 1: So you have that, dude, you feel a bit about 617 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: that then you feel about the Friday. 618 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 6: Wee, No, I feel worse. I've just doubled down. Yep, 619 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 6: I think that's down on my feelings. 620 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: I think this one's better than the Friday one, probably 621 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: because it's sort of got ears to being because I 622 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: sort of brought ears to it by a couple of 623 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: quotes from eighteen eighty six, you know what I mean. 624 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: So it's at least got the sort of feel that 625 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: it's not that it has something worthwhile. Okay, all right then, okay, 626 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: So I'd love to hear your feedback on on on 627 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 1: Today's pot if you want more content like this. 628 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 4: How we've got the music jury already a headache? You remember, 629 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 4: we need the podcast jury. Maybe we need preps to 630 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 4: whip up some imaging for the podcast jury. It's a 631 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 4: jury of ten members. 632 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we give out some hemorrhoid cream to people 633 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: that vote in it. 634 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 4: Yes, that's right, and then people can we can put 635 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 4: the I don't know a few episodes to the jury, yeah, 636 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 4: and they can let us know how they were and heave. Okay, 637 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 4: work any right, okay. 638 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: Because I think people want more of that, more that 639 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: had on Friday, and more of this. Okay, that's my theory. 640 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 2: All right, Okay, you're right. 641 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 5: Ruder sounds weird with no pop sock. I've got a 642 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 5: mic with no pop sock sounds weird. 643 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: I think it sounds quite nice. M thank you. Yeah, 644 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: I think raw dogging it all right? Do you remer? 645 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, I'm just writing that writing is what we're 646 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 6: going to say about this podcast in terms of our 647 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 6: tease of it. 648 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: I was just giving. Plus, why does Matt need to 649 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: put cream down? There? 650 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 5: Is it because of the gay science? 651 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 4: The gay I'm going to go and read gay science. 652 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: Now, the gay science. 653 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 4: It's not funny if I search up gay science. Is 654 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 4: it going to be the first thing that comes up. 655 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 2: I'm on the work. 656 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I'll bring you in. I'll bring 657 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: you in the history of philosophy, which is this, this, 658 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: this two tome, this huge time. I've got it home 659 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: and the explanation of Nietzsche is actually better than going 660 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: to the raw, raw source material. 661 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 4: Okay, help it look forward to that. 662 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: Get a lot of time for Nietzsche. 663 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 2: All right? 664 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: Then ye show that up your ass. Okay, you show 665 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: that up your ars. Mash, shove it up. Cream there, 666 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: squeeze it 667 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 2: Mate, it feels good.