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Speaker 2: The Drive show you trust for the full picture.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplessy on Drive with One New Zealand let's get

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Speaker 1: connected news talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be.

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Speaker 4: Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. Coming up today,

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Speaker 4: we're going to speak to Deborah Coddington, friend of Bob Jones.

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Speaker 4: There are also questions over Shortland Street's future. Now we've

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Speaker 4: got the details on this, we're going to explain and

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Speaker 4: we're going to talk to Bob John Barnett, who's a

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Speaker 4: former owner of South Pacific Pictures which makes Shorty Street

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Speaker 4: and the sports Tittle is with us at.

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Speaker 3: The half past five, Heather Duplassy, Ellen, Well, that is very.

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Speaker 4: Sad news this afternoon that Bob Jones has passed away.

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Speaker 4: It is not altogether a surprise because Bob Jones was

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Speaker 4: the last couple of years at least. But still, and

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Speaker 4: even though these things happen, and you know they're going

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Speaker 4: to happen, it is the passing of a great and

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Speaker 4: colorful and larger than life character. Today. Now I can't

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Speaker 4: remember the first time that I met Bob Jones. I've

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Speaker 4: known him for close to twenty years. He was actually

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Speaker 4: the first person that I saw at my wedding on

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Speaker 4: because he was leaving because I was late. I thought

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Speaker 4: walking out in protests. Fortunately I bumped into him on

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Speaker 4: and then there was there for the wedding. Afterwards, though,

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Speaker 4: have skipped the dinner. He gave some pretty unusual life advice.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he was not short of an opinion was here.

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Speaker 4: And the life advice that I remember most clearly and

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Speaker 4: he's been proven right now, I know not everyone loves Bob.

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Speaker 4: Bob was a very polarizing character. I mean, he punched

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Speaker 4: He laughed a lot, he played pranks, He enjoyed mocking

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Speaker 1: Him ever due for see Allen two nine two.

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Speaker 4: Is the text number. Standard text fees apply now Napier.

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Speaker 4: Napier City Council has rejected a proposal to force bars

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Speaker 5: Now, hey Richard, there they're going.

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Speaker 4: I'm very well, thank you. Why did you go for

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Speaker 4: What about what about kids getting too boozed and causing trouble.

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Speaker 4: So which is the pub? Just just this one pub

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Speaker 4: So at three am is a lot of dancing.

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Speaker 5: Going on, well, I assume, So I've asked my kids,

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Speaker 5: No they don't, I'm sure, but I could be proven wrong.

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Speaker 5: They're both boys energetic, but not that energy.

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Speaker 4: Is that what you mean?

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Speaker 6: Oh very much.

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Speaker 5: So you've got to learn about life, and there's more

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Speaker 4: Like me, Richard? I would much. Look, you know, I

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and at the end of the day, good people

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Speaker 6: Live life.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know what, everyone.

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Speaker 5: That's is causing trouble. I mean right, I think this

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Speaker 4: I agree with you, Richard, Thanks very much. I wish

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Speaker 7: Hello, Hello Heather.

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Speaker 4: So the Blues versus the Force tonight, who's going to win?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 8: I think the Blues probably have to win if they

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Speaker 8: The last one in their favor the Force, the Drewer

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Speaker 8: Mowanna Pacifica and the war Retars. That's their running, which

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Speaker 8: doesn't seem particularly onerous. No New Zealand Derby's there apart

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Speaker 8: from the Mowana PACIFICA game, they're going to have to

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Speaker 8: get a riggle on. I think they'll make the six.

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Speaker 8: Beyond that, can they win three big games in a

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Speaker 4: What's wrong with the Blues? What's going wrong?

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Speaker 8: It's such an interesting question. They've missed a couple of players.

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Speaker 8: improves them. He's back tonight, he wasn't there last week.

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Speaker 8: They've I just think they relied heavily on what worked

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Speaker 8: It's a lot more expansive now, the game is sped up.

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Speaker 8: That doesn't help the forward driven play of last year.

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Speaker 2: Heather do for see Ellen.

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Speaker 1: Or it's hither, dupers and drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 4: The text for Shortland Street, Heather, Shortland Street is currently

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Speaker 1: hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand. Let's get

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Speaker 2: That'd be.

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Speaker 3: There's a beautiful things that I've got.

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Speaker 4: It is clear that I just heard this from you.

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Speaker 4: Dan Mittens and US corresponding with US Now Hello Dan,

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Speaker 4: Hello Heather. No one believes that this is a promotion

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Speaker 4: for Mike Waltz.

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Speaker 8: Do they.

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 12: No, no, when you were just saying, kick him up

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Speaker 12: to the post of US Ambassador to the United Nations

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Speaker 12: right now, because the President has said he's worked hard

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Speaker 12: to put our nation's interest first. I just think the

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Speaker 12: President didn't want to fire this guy publicly and have

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Speaker 12: his critics come down on him. And you know, in

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Speaker 12: all honesty, I mean, this is the first major shakeup

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Speaker 12: we've seen from the administration during this round, and it

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Speaker 12: comes after his first one hundred days in office, and

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Speaker 12: shakeups like this they're not unusual in a new administration.

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Speaker 12: But you know, this one has been coming I think

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Speaker 12: for some time, based on what we know and after

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Speaker 12: he got caught up in that whole signature chat thing

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Speaker 12: back in March.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but what is it that's like what happened in

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Speaker 4: the last twenty four hours or the last week to

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Speaker 4: prompt this I don't know.

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Speaker 12: That's one thing that we're trying to wait to see.

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Speaker 12: Because if you go back and you look at the

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Speaker 12: media cycle, just a couple of days ago, the President

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Speaker 12: was saying he wasn't going anywhere, you know, that he

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Speaker 12: had a lot of faith in him, and then all

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Speaker 12: of a sudden he gets this quote promotion, and then

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Speaker 12: he brings in Marco Rubio now to fill this job

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Speaker 12: along with the current job that he has right now,

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Speaker 12: and they're calling this. At first it was going to

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Speaker 12: be a temporary Now they're saying it's open ended.

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Speaker 4: So we don't know what has open ended.

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Speaker 12: The Marco Rubio taking over from Waltz's job right now,

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Speaker 12: and he'd be the first I'm sorry, yes, the first

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Speaker 12: person I think since Kissinger to hold both Secretary of

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Speaker 12: State and National Security Advisor at the same time. So,

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Speaker 12: I mean, you know, if I were Elon Musk, I'd say, hey,

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Speaker 12: this is a great way to consolidate two positions in

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Speaker 12: a one.

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Speaker 4: How is the Post Office helping Trump with the deportations?

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Speaker 4: What is this data it's.

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Speaker 12: Collecting, Well, they're collecting personal information from custom which is

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Speaker 12: something that is you know, drawing a lot of concern

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Speaker 12: right now trying to track down these undocumented immigrants. The

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Speaker 12: Washington Post came out this. What they're saying is they're

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Speaker 12: working with the Homeland Security Department, which is using you know,

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Speaker 12: the IP and shipping data and addresses and other data

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Speaker 12: to track down these migrants, and there's been a number

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Speaker 12: of sources who have come forward down They say that

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Speaker 12: they're doing this in part because the Trump administration is

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Speaker 12: considering privatizing the USPS, so they're trying to get on

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Speaker 12: the president's good side. Interesting, well, it is because, I mean,

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Speaker 12: they do have an inspection service that does investigate crimes

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Speaker 12: involving the mail service, like trafficking and mail fraud, but

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Speaker 12: they don't generally do anything like enforcement outside of it.

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Speaker 4: The way that this is being framed, it sounds like

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Speaker 4: the volunteered to do this rather than being asked to

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Speaker 4: do it. Is that what's up?

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Speaker 12: Well, you know how that's saying words matter, they do,

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Speaker 12: and that's what it sounds like right now. I think

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Speaker 12: they're trying to dance around those words very carefully at

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Speaker 12: the moment right now because a lot of this information

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Speaker 12: that they're getting supposedly to they're doing what they call

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Speaker 12: mail covers which can take pictures of the outside of

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Speaker 12: envelopes and other packages without technically going inside. But you're

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Speaker 12: still invading that person's privacy by selling that information.

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Speaker 4: Now, listen, Apparently staying in is the new social normal.

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Speaker 4: How do we know.

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Speaker 12: This, Well, there's a study that came out and actually

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Speaker 12: this surprises me because all we talked about was getting

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Speaker 12: out during the whole pandemic, didn't we for about four years?

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Speaker 12: And now they're finding the three quarters of Americans would

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Speaker 12: rather stay home with friends than go out, and only

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Speaker 12: maybe twenty twenty five percent say they'll go out for

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Speaker 12: social activities. And we're looking at sort of what's behind this,

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Speaker 12: this home body revolution? And I guess cost is playing

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Speaker 12: a big role. You know, fifty percent of people are saying,

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Speaker 12: you know, it's just too expensive to go out, but

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Speaker 12: everybody else is saying, you know what, I can hear

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Speaker 12: conversations better, I can avoid crowded places. I like to

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Speaker 12: control my environment. I don't like to get dressed up.

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Speaker 12: And the comfort factor ranks the highest. I think sixty

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Speaker 12: five percent of people said they just feel better socializing

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Speaker 12: if they're in their own surroundings at home.

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Speaker 4: Okay, now, did they say staying home with friends and

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Speaker 4: staying home by themselves.

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Speaker 12: Well, it's it's basically staying in their own If they

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Speaker 12: can invite somebody into their own place, they're fine with that.

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Speaker 12: But the comfort factor right now is the you know,

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Speaker 12: of just being there by themselves saying, you know what,

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Speaker 12: I'll be there with my spouse or whomever right now.

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Speaker 4: I think this is seasonal because you guys are coming

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Speaker 4: out of a cold bit, right You're coming out of

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Speaker 4: your winter. So is it maybe a reflection of that.

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Speaker 7: I don't know if it is.

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Speaker 12: To tell you the truth, I quite honestly think, you know,

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Speaker 12: circling back to the pandemic thing, I think we just

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Speaker 12: got a lot more comfortable be on our own and

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Speaker 12: I think you know we you know, streaming services, I

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Speaker 12: mean more people has started doing puzzles and and home

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Speaker 12: crafts and stuff like that, and I think we just

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Speaker 12: sort of looked around at what we were working for

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Speaker 12: so hard and saying, well, why don't we just stay

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Speaker 12: here and enjoy it?

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Speaker 4: Dan, thank you appreciate it. That's Dan Mitchison. Now you

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Speaker 4: as correspondent. This, I'll tell you what this is. This is,

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Speaker 4: this is a thing in my marriage. This is the

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Speaker 4: thing in my marriage. So my husband likes to stay home.

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Speaker 4: He loves having but remember he had his heyday in

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Speaker 4: the nineteen eighties. And in the nineteen eighties, I everybody

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Speaker 4: had a dinner party.

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Speaker 5: Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: It's like, as a third fashionable, have your Laura Ashley out,

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Speaker 4: have a pepper out for dinner. You know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: You get half the good wine shore Off a seller.

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Speaker 4: That kind of thing. Bob would have been there. Bob

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Speaker 4: Jones one hundred percent would have been at some of

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Speaker 4: those dinner parties anyway. So that for him is like

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Speaker 4: the height of an evening's entertainment is having people in

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Speaker 4: and dear God, it drives me nuts. Like I cannot

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Speaker 4: tell you how frustrating this is for me. You're getting

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Speaker 4: a lot of energy from me on this because I'm

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Speaker 4: feeling a lot of energy on this. All I want

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Speaker 4: is to go out. So we give completely different different

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Speaker 4: views of what a fun night is. And can I

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Speaker 4: tell you why, Because if you have people around to

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Speaker 4: your house, you end up cleaning up, don't you who

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Speaker 4: ends up cleaning up? Oh that's right, mate, because I'm

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Speaker 4: the lady, so I'm ending up cleaning up that is

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Speaker 4: not a time to me. I don't understand why people

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Speaker 4: think throwing a dinner party at home is a great idea,

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Speaker 4: because do the maths on this. People. If you think

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Speaker 4: about how much money you're spending on supplying the wine,

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Speaker 4: the food. I have done this, Okay, I've calculated this

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Speaker 4: pen If you actually do the numbers, by the time

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Speaker 4: you spend all the money on feeding people, you could

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Speaker 4: basically all go out to dinner for the same amount

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Speaker 4: of money. But the benefit of going out to dinner

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Speaker 4: is Number one, you don't have to do the dishes.

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Speaker 4: Somebody else is going to do the dishes for you

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Speaker 4: at the end of the night, right, so you get

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Speaker 4: to walk away. It's nice to leave it dirty, walk away.

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Speaker 4: The other thing is you're not there trying to be

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Speaker 4: the hostess with the most desks, keeping everybody happy, and

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Speaker 4: not having a good night yourself and sitting down. If

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Speaker 4: you'll go out to dinner, you're sitting on your butt

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Speaker 4: and enjoying it. Aren't you worth everybody else? And number

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Speaker 4: three kill a reason. If you're out to dinner, nobody's

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Speaker 4: getting drunk and shouting at each other loudly, but their

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Speaker 4: political opinions and keeping the babies away. Do you see

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Speaker 4: where I'm going with this? So if I was doing

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Speaker 4: that study, if they came to me, if the one

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Speaker 4: that Dan Mitchinson's talking about, and they were like, would

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Speaker 4: you like to go out or in? I would have

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Speaker 4: shouted so loudly go out, would have drowned out everybody

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Speaker 4: else who said stay in Quarter two.

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Speaker 1: Politics with centric credit, check your customers and get payments certainty.

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Speaker 4: Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors with us. Hey, Thomas, Thomas,

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Speaker 4: can you hear me?

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Speaker 7: Hello me? Sorry about that?

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Speaker 4: No, no technical difficulty on our on our part, Thomas. Listen,

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Speaker 4: have we had any political reaction to the news that

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Speaker 4: sir Bob has passed away?

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Speaker 7: Yes? Yes, so the Prime Minister Christopher Luxon paid tribute

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Speaker 7: to Jones. He's in Terneden today. Luxon described him as

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Speaker 7: a as a living legend, which was a bit of

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Speaker 7: a slight faux power I think on Luckston's part, but

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Speaker 7: did pay pay tribute to him as a as a

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Speaker 7: as a businessman and even even Chris Hepkins. Obviously Jones

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Speaker 7: and his later later years no fan of of of

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Speaker 7: the Labor government in several ways, but described him as

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Speaker 7: He said there was no doubt that Jones left an

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Speaker 7: indentation on the political political landscape and described him as

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Speaker 7: a colorful character, never short of and opinion and actually

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Speaker 7: luxon as well. Praise the acerbic wit that Jones had

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Speaker 7: and and yes he was certainly hadn't acerbic wit. I

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Speaker 7: enjoyed reading his blog for my part.

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Speaker 4: Did you read no punches pulled?

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Speaker 7: I didn't know. I didn't know. I read not the

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Speaker 7: book I did that. I think that was also the name.

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Speaker 4: Of the Yeah, yeah, are you reading this Thomas?

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Speaker 7: It was a while ago. I don't think it's been

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Speaker 7: updated very recently as I started.

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Speaker 4: This is the thing, This is what shocks me is

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Speaker 4: I went to have a look at it today and

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Speaker 4: the most recent posting was something like mid April.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, as recently as.

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Speaker 4: About two and a half weeks ago he was still

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Speaker 4: And the latest one which tickled me, pink was the

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Speaker 4: working from home rackets by public Servants. I thought, I've

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Speaker 4: got hive mind with sir Bob. I agree with him entirely.

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Speaker 4: Now Chris Hopkins doesn't want to have the sea beard mining.

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Speaker 4: What's going on here?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Interesting this one? I mean labors Labor's in a bit

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Speaker 7: of a bind on on some of these fast trak issues.

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Speaker 7: Obviously one of these, one of the fast track issues

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Speaker 7: is a sea bed mining proposal. It's in a bye

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Speaker 7: because they have big spending ambitions, big economic growth ambitions,

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Speaker 7: and eventually the money has to come from somewhere. Seabed

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Speaker 7: mining is one of these areas where there could be

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Speaker 7: could be a lot of benefit in it for New Zealand,

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Speaker 7: but obviously Labour's environmental kind of base is very opposed

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Speaker 7: to it. Greenpeace was keen to get Chriss Sipkins and

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Speaker 7: Labor to take a position on it, and they did

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Speaker 7: that today with with Hepkins saying I think it actually

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Speaker 7: a New Plymouth that that that label was against it.

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Speaker 7: It's an interesting one obviously New Plymouth. I think for

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Speaker 7: maybe ten or fifteen years, New Plymouth had one of

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Speaker 7: the highest regional GDPs in New Zealand per capita because

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Speaker 7: of the oil and gas industry and it was very,

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Speaker 7: very prosperous thanks to that, and obviously has had an

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Speaker 7: impact with the oil and gas or exploration band that

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Speaker 7: Labor did last time they were in government. Labor does

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Speaker 7: risk making that mistake again if it says no to

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Speaker 7: all of these environmentally you know, admittedly you know, not

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Speaker 7: not environmentally great projects, but they are. They do bring

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Speaker 7: a lot of wealth creation and a lot of jobs

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Speaker 7: to regional New Zealand, so they're definitely going to buy

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Speaker 7: in there. It will be interesting to see whether there's

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Speaker 7: any blowback from this decision.

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Speaker 4: Is the point of this basically to scare away the investment?

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Speaker 7: I mean, I wouldn't there is, I think I'm not.

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Speaker 7: I couldn't speak for Labor on that. I do remember

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Speaker 7: that the Greens have said and the Maori Party you've

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Speaker 7: said that fast track projects that have gone through the

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Speaker 7: fast track scheme if if they do not agree with

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Speaker 7: the way that they have been fast tracked, if they

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Speaker 7: do not agree with the decision, then they could they

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Speaker 7: could use their own sort of anti fast track to

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Speaker 7: revoke those consents via parliament, And that obviously would that

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Speaker 7: would scare away investment because if you're an investor wanting

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Speaker 7: to put money somewhere, and a and an alternative government

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Speaker 7: is sitting in Parliament saying well, look, if you get

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Speaker 7: your consents, we're just going to pass the bill and

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Speaker 7: get rid of them, then you're not then you're not

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Speaker 7: going to do it, are you. I'm not sure about labor,

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Speaker 7: but certainly the Marori Party and the Greens have have

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Speaker 7: raised the specter of this.

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Speaker 4: So making it hard to invest in this country. Hey, Thomas,

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Speaker 4: thanks you very much. Well, we'll read the political week

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Speaker 4: that was with you about called past six Thomas Coblin,

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Speaker 4: the Herald's political editor. It's eight away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the time questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking

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Speaker 1: breakfasts back.

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Speaker 13: To this business of our economic aims.

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Speaker 4: At Chief Economy Sharon Zolna is back with us. All

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Speaker 4: these companies that are abandoning guidance now because they have

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Speaker 4: no idea what's going on? Does that make life more

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Speaker 4: difficult for us?

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Speaker 6: All?

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Speaker 10: Well, and it does make it more difficult for them.

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Speaker 6: And John's coat and in the actual direct tariff on our.

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Speaker 10: Ten twelve percent of very sports really a good experts

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Speaker 10: that's not a game changer for the economy, but for

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Speaker 10: some individual companies of course it's a very big deal.

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Speaker 5: But the main channel through which John could be effected

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Speaker 5: the slower growth, including in China at the support partners

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Speaker 5: and texting our commodity classes and exports more generally. But

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Speaker 5: also that's Confidence Channel.

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Speaker 9: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 9: a Vida News Talk z.

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Speaker 4: B five away from five.

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Speaker 11: Here.

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Speaker 4: If you have a dinner party at home, you get

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Speaker 4: to cheer who's the music, you get to choose the food,

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Speaker 4: and your ten steps away from your bed. Now, this

703
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Speaker 4: is a good this is a good point, Paul. But

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Speaker 4: the trouble is you can't go to bed until everybody

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Speaker 4: else has got out the door. And this is the

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Speaker 4: difficulty that you run into because sometimes you're like, right,

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Speaker 4: I'm ready for bed, But how do you politely tell

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Speaker 4: Tony who's fallen asleep at the table? Because that happens

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Speaker 4: to me as well. That sometimes happens you have the

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Speaker 4: dinner party and then one of themse is so drunk.

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Speaker 14: And a few bars have like jukebox apps and stuff

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Speaker 14: now as well, so you can pick the music in someplace.

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Speaker 4: You can find yourself a good Irish bar and just

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Speaker 4: you know, find the jukebox, do that kind of stuff,

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Speaker 4: and sometimes they don't even care if you fall asleep

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Speaker 4: inside the bar. So it's basically the same. It's like

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Speaker 4: a similar home similar to home experience. What about this?

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Speaker 4: Never go to Darren's house for a dinner party, Heather.

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Speaker 4: You buy the meat and salads and have everything indisposable

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Speaker 4: containers as well as disposable plates and cutlery, and as

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Speaker 4: soon as everyone has finished, you just go to bed.

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Speaker 4: No driving anywhere. It's so much simpler and just means

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Speaker 4: an extra couple of bags of rubbish. So Darren would

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Speaker 4: have it that you come around to my dinner and

725
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Speaker 4: then I've got a paper plate there like it's some

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Speaker 4: sort of a kiddy's birthday party, a little bamboo and

727
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Speaker 4: of course I'm not going to have disposable plastic knives

728
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Speaker 4: and forks, because you know, I care about the environment,

729
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Speaker 4: so it's going to be bumble for you. But imagine

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Speaker 4: if you sit down and make you cut your seat

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Speaker 4: with one A Darren, stop it. I hope that's not

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Speaker 4: how you're rolling with things. Listen, Ferrari is winding people up.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you've caught up on this, but

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Speaker 4: Ferrari's unveiled what its cars are going to look like

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Speaker 4: for the Miami Grand Prix this weekend, and they haven't

736
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Speaker 4: gone for the all red. They've put some blue and

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Speaker 4: white in to be like yay. Hewlett Packard is sponsoring us,

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Speaker 4: and let me tell you, the fans are not loving it.

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Speaker 4: They are absolutely dumping on this big time. Apparently it's

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Speaker 4: the equivalent of sticking a pineapple on a pizza, like

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Speaker 4: a big no no. It's also going to flip them

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Speaker 4: out that the drivers are in blue outfits, so that

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Speaker 4: won't be fun for them. Middle Anyway, the sports Huddle

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Speaker 4: is going to be with us after half past five.

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Speaker 7: I mind a Hawaiian pizza personal here there.

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Speaker 14: If anyone comes to one of my pizza parties, I'll

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Speaker 14: be putting pineapple on the pizza.

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Speaker 4: Jeez, at ats his house. You're getting a plastic cup,

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Speaker 4: you're getting paper plates.

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Speaker 14: I'm not showing up for the bamboo.

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Speaker 4: No, not the bamboo, you're getting the plaster. In fact,

752
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Speaker 4: you're probably fingering your food and then okay, he's giving

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Speaker 4: you just a slice of pizza, little bit of pineapple

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Speaker 4: on it as well. Listen, I've got a treat for you.

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Speaker 4: We're going to talk about the Minister of Women because

756
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Speaker 4: you know I'm coming for this role. Ah, I'm on

757
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Speaker 4: a campaign now, so we're going to deal with that

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Speaker 4: later on. I'll explain news is next, and then Deborah

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Speaker 4: Coddington on Bob.

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Speaker 1: Jones digging through the spin to find the real story. Boring,

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Speaker 1: it's hither dupery on drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 1: get connected news talks.

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Speaker 7: That'd be.

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Speaker 4: Afternoon sad news this afternoon. So Bob Jones, one of

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Speaker 4: the characters of New Zealand business and politics, has died

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Speaker 4: at the age of eighty five.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 4: He died peacefully at his Wellington home, surrounded by family

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Speaker 4: after a brief illness, and one of his longtime friends

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Speaker 4: is former act MP Deborah Coddington. Who's with us?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 4: Hey, Deborah, yea, how are you? I'm very well? Thank you. Now, Bob,

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Speaker 4: Bob actually introduced you to your husband, didn't.

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Speaker 15: He He did? He match made us, Yes, that's right

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Speaker 15: he did.

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Speaker 6: Yep.

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Speaker 15: And then when it was all going well and we

778
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Speaker 15: decided to get married, he wanted to be the bridesmaid. Well,

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Speaker 15: that was never going to.

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Speaker 4: Happen if you had let him. Do you think he

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Speaker 4: would have.

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Speaker 15: I'm not sure. Actually he was. He could be quite reverent.

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Speaker 15: Well that's the wrong word, of course, because he always

784
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Speaker 15: said God was prancing around in a ny And now

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Speaker 15: he'll be able to find out if he ever gets

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Speaker 15: up to heaven, which I very much doubt. But he

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Speaker 15: people who watched him at our very small wedding ceremony

788
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Speaker 15: said he was. He had a beautific smile on his face,

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Speaker 15: so he was well pleased with the result.

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Speaker 4: Did you know that he was unwell in the last

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Speaker 4: few weeks.

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Speaker 15: Yes, I was told in the latter stages that he

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Speaker 15: was gravely unwell, and I was quite shocked, because, you know,

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Speaker 15: we always thought got Bob was going to live forever

795
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Speaker 15: he was. He was always saying he was near death.

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Speaker 15: He said, how are you, Bob. I'm ifing dying, mate,

797
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Speaker 15: I'm dying, you know, I'm really ill, and I'm going

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Speaker 15: to give up drinking. I'm just drinking beer and sherry

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Speaker 15: at the moment, you know, as if that wasn't alcohol.

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Speaker 15: But he always looked, you know, it's very good looking

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Speaker 15: in his younger days. I think I met him when

802
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Speaker 15: I was about eighteen or nineteen, but he was very

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Speaker 15: good looking in those days. But then he, you know,

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Speaker 15: he in gressingly had those bags under his eyes. Incidentally,

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Speaker 15: he would actually hate us, saying it's very sad. He'd say, oh,

806
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Speaker 15: get over yourself here, you know, it's not sad.

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Speaker 4: People die, People die every day. He was a realist,

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Speaker 4: wasn't it. He always I mean, he always tried to

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Speaker 4: find the funny, the funny side of things, to the

810
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Speaker 4: point that he would actually sometimes do it himself or

811
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Speaker 4: play the pranks and stuff. You once wrote about him,

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Speaker 4: Jones entertains anyone who isn't boring or pretentious. What did

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Speaker 4: you mean by that?

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Speaker 15: He once said to me that he found men more

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Speaker 15: bored than women, because I think men. A lot of

816
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Speaker 15: men took him too seriously. You could not take what

817
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Speaker 15: he said too seriously.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 15: He was always throwing insults at you, wasn't he. He

820
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Speaker 15: would say things like oh, he would just he would

821
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Speaker 15: insult me all the time, and you just had to

822
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Speaker 15: laugh it off because sometimes they would sound quite cruel.

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Speaker 15: I mean I was thinking. I kept thinking of all

824
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Speaker 15: the all the things he did, you know. I mean

825
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Speaker 15: people called him a racist. Well, you know, his first

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Speaker 15: his eldest two children a Mai, and his youngest three

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Speaker 15: children are Laotian, and I didn't see him discriminate against

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Speaker 15: any of those. He could be quite sexist, he would say.

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Speaker 15: He would say terrible sexist things to me, like, you know,

830
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Speaker 15: when you're getting out of his carriage, say, oh, come on,

831
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Speaker 15: you know women can't get out of cars.

832
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Speaker 9: Look at you.

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Speaker 15: You just take ages to get.

834
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Speaker 4: Out of the women can't drive as well.

835
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Speaker 15: Women can't drive. No, women can't drive. And he but

836
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Speaker 15: that was just Bob. That was the way he was.

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Speaker 4: But I mean, you know, obviously as time has gone on,

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Speaker 4: people have increasingly found him offensive because we've obviously got

839
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Speaker 4: more and more thin skinned. How do you think he's

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Speaker 4: going to be remembered. Will he be remembered in the

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00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 4: way that the young people now see him, which is

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00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 4: this terrible racist and all these other things. Or will

843
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 4: he be remembered as the big, outspoken, very clever character

844
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Speaker 4: that he was.

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Speaker 15: I think it's a pity that those people didn't know

846
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 15: the Bob that you and I knew, the very well

847
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 15: read Bob, the Bob who was enormously intelligent and k

848
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Speaker 15: you're a lot about world affairs, world politics, all of

849
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Speaker 15: that sort of thing. He was a very good writer,

850
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 15: a lot of those early books, Letters from Bob Jones,

851
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 15: that little novella he wrote, The Permit, which was very

852
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 15: insightful about how the government can go too far. That

853
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 15: court case he took all the way to the Privy

854
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Speaker 15: Council that he won when he and lawfully detained by

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Speaker 15: the police when he was taking his children to the airport,

856
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 15: and he said he took that case because he could

857
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 15: afford to when a lot of people who would be

858
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Speaker 15: detained by the police on the side of the road

859
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Speaker 15: and left there would not be able to afford to

860
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Speaker 15: do that. Bob was very generous with his money. He

861
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Speaker 15: did that scholarship for refugees to study at university, which

862
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 15: a lot of them have graduated. There are a lot

863
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 15: of those things that people didn't see and didn't know

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Speaker 15: about him. Now if you could ignore a lot of

865
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 15: the yes, offensive stuff that he said and look past

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00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,919
Speaker 15: that to see what was underneath. The State House boy

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Speaker 15: from nine I who ended up is leaving a legacy

868
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 15: of several billions. Think of all the GST that he's

869
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Speaker 15: put into the New Zealand economy. He didn't become a

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Speaker 15: taxi exile. He didn't go off shore like a lot

871
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Speaker 15: of other billionaires who I won't name did, and then

872
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Speaker 15: from London or wherever they settled. Carped on about what

873
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Speaker 15: a useless education system we have, a useless health education system.

874
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Speaker 7: We have well, a lot of.

875
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Speaker 15: Bob's GST has gone into helping our state system here

876
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Speaker 15: and a lot of people have ignored that and just

877
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Speaker 15: thrown darts at him. And you know, okay, they didn't

878
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Speaker 15: get a chance to note him, but they could have

879
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Speaker 15: read his books and cut them a bit of slack.

880
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Speaker 4: Yeah to a right, Debrah, thank you so much, Really

881
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Speaker 4: appreciate your time and best wels. Debraah Coddington, former act

882
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Speaker 4: MP and friend of Sir Bob Jones.

883
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Speaker 2: Heather Dooper c l Oh.

884
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Speaker 4: There's speculation tonight that Shortland Street might not be coming

885
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Speaker 4: back next year now. Shortland Street has lost its head writer,

886
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Speaker 4: Jessica Joywood to the UK, and we understand other staff

887
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Speaker 4: have also been told to find new jobs too. So

888
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Speaker 4: we asked TVNZ today if Shorty Street will return next year.

889
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Speaker 4: They wouldn't confirm that it would. They would only say

890
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Speaker 4: it's not canceled and we are working through plans for

891
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Speaker 4: what twenty twenty six might look like now. John Barnett

892
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Speaker 4: owns South Pacific Pictures, which is company that makes Shortland

893
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Speaker 4: Street for TVs, owned it for twenty five years and

894
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Speaker 4: is with us. Now, Hey John, Hi, how are you? Andrey?

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Speaker 2: Well?

896
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Speaker 7: Thank you?

897
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Speaker 4: Do you think it's back next year.

898
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Speaker 6: Well, I don't know. I mean if tv and said

899
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Speaker 6: said they're not sure, I guess the decisions there is.

900
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Speaker 6: It'll be a shame if it isn't. But there don't

901
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Speaker 6: appear to be assurances at the stage if you okay.

902
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Speaker 4: So what we've also heard is that contract staff contracts

903
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Speaker 4: run out at the end of June. Have you also

904
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Speaker 4: heard this?

905
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Speaker 6: Yes, I think that a number of people who were

906
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Speaker 6: on staff have been advised that they would be contractors

907
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Speaker 6: going forward, as opposed to continuous staff. Because you know,

908
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Speaker 6: the show was a five day a week, fifty week

909
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Speaker 6: a year production, so people were actually they were four

910
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Speaker 6: years of the company, and I think that the change

911
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Speaker 6: that tvm Z made with going three days a week

912
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Speaker 6: on air meant that there wasn't fifty weeks production required,

913
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Speaker 6: and so people have been contracted, which is more usual

914
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Speaker 6: in the screen industry as flexible.

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Speaker 4: Is it possible? One way of looking at it is.

916
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Speaker 4: One way of speculating is that this is all over

917
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Speaker 4: and it's not coming back. But an alternative is that

918
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Speaker 4: the end of the contracts mean that they are able

919
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Speaker 4: to let the stuff go and scale back from a

920
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Speaker 4: five day a week show two or three day a

921
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Speaker 4: week or two day a week show for the future.

922
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Speaker 4: Which of the two is more likely?

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Speaker 6: Well, certainly I think the summary is right, but as

924
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Speaker 6: to whether it was three or two, I don't know.

925
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Speaker 6: I mean, they've had to make changes in the way

926
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Speaker 6: that they've presented the show as they've moved to three days,

927
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Speaker 6: and more of it takes place in the hospital and

928
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Speaker 6: less of it is about the life of New Zealand,

929
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Speaker 6: which is what engaged people. But viewing habits have changed

930
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Speaker 6: so much, and audiences have changed, and the demands on

931
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Speaker 6: the audience to come in at seven o'clock every night

932
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Speaker 6: are quite tough. In the meantime, you can see that

933
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Speaker 6: actually going to three days a week has not been

934
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Speaker 6: nearly as profitable for TV two as being on as

935
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Speaker 6: I must see every night, five nights a week.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So if I had to ask you to put

937
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Speaker 4: money on the fact that it comes back next year,

938
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Speaker 4: what would you do?

939
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Speaker 6: I look the other way, I think at the moment.

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Speaker 4: John, thank you. I appreciate your time this John Barnett,

941
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Speaker 4: film and television producer. Obviously you stown the company that

942
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Speaker 4: made Shortan Street sixteen past five. Hey, Although we've said

943
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Speaker 4: goodbye to summer. It doesn't mean we also have to

944
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Speaker 4: say goodbye to the refreshing flavors that we get in summer,

945
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Speaker 4: do we? Because Bunderbee, the legendary brewers of the iconic

946
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Speaker 4: Bunderberg Ginger Beer, are coming out with a brand new

947
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 4: low sugar range which is called Refreshingly Light Sparkling Drink Range. Now,

948
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Speaker 4: these things come in three flavor combos, so I think

949
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 4: you will agree sound absolutely delicious. Raspberry and pomegranate, apple

950
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 4: and light chet lemon and watermelon plus and this is

951
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Speaker 4: the good. But they are low on sugar, no artificial

952
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 4: sweetness flavors or colors. They're made from real fruit and

953
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 4: each can only has twenty calories. And what's interesting is

954
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 4: that this new range has been craft brewed for three days. Now.

955
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Speaker 4: That sounds like a long time, but it actually makes

956
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Speaker 4: sense because it's three days to lock in all those

957
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Speaker 4: incredible flavors. And honestly, you wouldn't expect anything less from Bunderberg,

958
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 4: would you. They care about making stuff that just tastes good,

959
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 4: simple as that. So to taste Bunderberg's new Refreshingly Light

960
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Speaker 4: Sparkling Drink Rage, head to the most major supermarkets now

961
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Speaker 4: Heather Duplessiella Heather. Hasn't been mentioned that Bob Jones donated

962
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Speaker 4: huge amounts of money to women's refuge. It's not bad

963
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Speaker 4: for an apparent sexist day, Trevor, thank you. You need

964
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Speaker 4: to know that information. Twenty past five. Now, the first

965
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Speaker 4: week in the murder trial against Mushroom Cook Aaron Patterson

966
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Speaker 4: is wrapped up. She's accused of feeding her ex's parents

967
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Speaker 4: and sister a poisoned beef Wellington Herold's son. Reporter Brooke

968
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Speaker 4: Grebert Craig hosts the podcast The Mushroom Cook, and she's

969
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Speaker 4: been in cook the court this weekend is with us. Now, hey, Brook,

970
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Speaker 4: Hi there, how are you very well? Thank you? Now,

971
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Speaker 4: I understand you guys have got a huge amount of

972
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Speaker 4: international interest. Is that right?

973
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Speaker 16: Yes, there's been so much media attention down in Regional Victoria,

974
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Speaker 16: which is in Australia.

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Speaker 4: There's just so much.

976
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Speaker 16: Media down here. It's been quite a wellwind.

977
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Speaker 4: How has Aaron Patterson been acting in court?

978
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Speaker 16: Yes, so, Erin's been sitting in the dock every day

979
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Speaker 16: and she's been listening to the evidence. So she has

980
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Speaker 16: a screen in front of her. So when all the

981
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Speaker 16: exhibits come up, she's been looking at them. On the

982
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Speaker 16: first day, she wore a pink and white shirt, and

983
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Speaker 16: yet she's just been kind of changing her clothes each

984
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Speaker 16: day now.

985
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Speaker 4: Earlier this week we heard that her strange husband declined

986
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Speaker 4: the invitation for that lunch, right, and that you got

987
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Speaker 4: really really upset about that. Tell us a little bit

988
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Speaker 4: more about that. That seems quite material.

989
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Speaker 16: Yeah, So the court heard that Simon declined the invite

990
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Speaker 16: a day before the July twenty nine lunch. He sent

991
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Speaker 16: Aaron a text and said that he was too uncomfortable

992
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Speaker 16: to attend. The jury heard that Aaron replied and said

993
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Speaker 16: that she was disappointed that he wouldn't be coming because

994
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Speaker 16: she spent a small fortune on beef.

995
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Speaker 4: I fill it. But their relationship to this up to

996
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Speaker 4: this point sounded like it was reasonably amicable.

997
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Speaker 3: Is that right?

998
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Speaker 16: Yes, So the jury heard that they met in two

999
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Speaker 16: thousand while they were working for a local council, and

1000
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Speaker 16: then they got married in two thousand and seven, but

1001
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Speaker 16: they had an on and off again relationship until they

1002
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Speaker 16: finally separated in twenty fifteen. They did have a friendship

1003
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Speaker 16: going for a couple of years, but that did turn

1004
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Speaker 16: Sarah in twenty twenty two and in court over the

1005
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Speaker 16: last couple of days we've heard that that was over

1006
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Speaker 16: a range of different things like tax returns and child support.

1007
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Speaker 4: Very interesting, Hey, Brooke, thanks very much. We'll keep it on.

1008
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Speaker 4: It's Brook Grebert Craig who is with the Herald on

1009
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Speaker 4: Sun Reporter and also our host of the podcast The

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Speaker 4: Mushroom Cook The Trial five twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Together do for c Allen.

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Speaker 1: Informed inside into today's issues. It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive

1013
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Speaker 1: with One New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 4: That'd be five twenty five. Look, call me naive, but

1015
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 4: why didn't Auckland Council just make a decision yesterday about

1016
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Speaker 4: the Western Springs Stadium. I mean, to me, this seems

1017
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 4: like an absolute slam dunk.

1018
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Speaker 5: Right.

1019
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 4: You've got Ali Williams, You've got Annamobray, Bill Foley and

1020
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Speaker 4: the Auckland Football Club guys saying that they are going

1021
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Speaker 4: to spend three hundred million dollars of their own money,

1022
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 4: no money from ratepayers, three hundred million of their own money.

1023
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 4: They're going to build a new stadium for Auckland and

1024
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Speaker 4: ratepayers absolutely do not have to put a cent into it.

1025
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Speaker 4: The alternative option is to go with the CRS records

1026
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Speaker 4: and ponsibly rugby club proposal to build a boutique stadium.

1027
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Speaker 4: But rate payers would have to tip money into this.

1028
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Speaker 4: And the thing is, ratepayers don't have any money, do

1029
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Speaker 4: we in Auckland, Because I don't know if you're aware

1030
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Speaker 4: of this, but Auckland City Council has removed something like

1031
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Speaker 4: a third of the city's rubbish bins to save money.

1032
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Speaker 4: So there is no way that Auckland City Council could

1033
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Speaker 4: be putting money into something nice to have like a stadium.

1034
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Speaker 4: There is a third option it actually doesn't bear even

1035
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Speaker 4: thinking about, but that would be to revive the speedway.

1036
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Speaker 4: But if we revive the speedway, we'd be reviving something

1037
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Speaker 4: that loses somewhere in the vicinity of about one million

1038
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Speaker 4: dollars a year. So again that would be costing right

1039
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Speaker 4: payers money and doesn't doesn't even be thinking about. So

1040
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Speaker 4: the only real option here is to take the free stadium.

1041
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 4: Now I am told there are no strings attached, right.

1042
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Speaker 4: This isn't one of those things where it's too good

1043
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Speaker 4: to be true. It isn't. There is nothing weird going

1044
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 4: on here. It is simply a good deal and it

1045
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 4: is a deal that even the counselors that I've spoken

1046
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Speaker 4: to today think that we will end up taking. So

1047
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 4: why did we not end up taking that deal yesterday? Instead?

1048
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Speaker 4: What they've done is they've sent everything out to consultation,

1049
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 4: all of the proposals out to consultation, and left people

1050
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Speaker 4: to think that the other options are frankly options, when

1051
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Speaker 4: they're not options at all. Make the decision and just

1052
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 4: send out the one thing for consultation. That way, and

1053
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Speaker 4: this is why I think we should have done it.

1054
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 4: That way. We all can have our say and we

1055
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Speaker 4: can get on with it without stringing everybody else along.

1056
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Speaker 4: Now call me my naive, but when rich listers are

1057
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Speaker 4: offering to spend three hundred million dollars to build you

1058
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Speaker 4: a stadium, I feel like there's only one option, and

1059
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Speaker 4: that is to say yes, thank you. Ever dull now here,

1060
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Speaker 4: Oh Heather. Bob Jones love the famous picture of him

1061
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Speaker 4: flipping the bird at the South Africa to a protesters

1062
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Speaker 4: with the smoke in his mouth while getting out of

1063
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Speaker 4: his roles. If you haven't seen it, and I feel like,

1064
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Speaker 4: is that the one where he's in the velvet jacket.

1065
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Speaker 4: He looks dashing and devil may care and like exactly

1066
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Speaker 4: the kind of person you want to be spending that

1067
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Speaker 4: evening with having a drink and having a chat. He

1068
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Speaker 4: looks like he's out for a good time. No the

1069
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Speaker 4: photo and love it too. Now, Minister for Women, I'm

1070
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Speaker 4: now officially starting a campaign to get rid of the

1071
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Speaker 4: Minister for Women because we don't need it. We're adults.

1072
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Speaker 4: We're fine, thanks very much. So we called the Minister

1073
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 4: for Whims Nicola greggs. No, it's not getting rid of her,

1074
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Speaker 4: just the title. She seems like a really nice woman

1075
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 4: called Nikola Gregg. She doesn't want to come on the show.

1076
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Speaker 4: So we called all the other ministers that David c

1077
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Speaker 4: Will wants to get rid of. Louise Upston Volunteer Voluntary

1078
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Speaker 4: Sector Hospitality, No she didn't want to talk. Minister of

1079
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Speaker 4: South Island James Megan doesn't want to talk. To be fair,

1080
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 4: is probably busy. Minister for Auckland Simmy and Brown can't

1081
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Speaker 4: come on. Minister for Space due to the colins and

1082
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 4: too busy. Minister for Racing when he now, I'm not

1083
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Speaker 4: interested in it. But Jantinetti, former Minister for Women, is

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Speaker 4: happy to talk and she's with us.

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Speaker 1: Next two on the iHeart app and in your car

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Speaker 1: on your drive home it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with

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Speaker 1: one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be.

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Speaker 4: After six o'clock. We're going to talk to the ad

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Speaker 4: Minister because they have just confirmed the farm to forest

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Speaker 4: conversions are going to be banned, right but then new

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Speaker 4: because we knew that this was going to happen. So

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Speaker 4: if you have a farm, you're going to be banned

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Speaker 4: from turning that into a forest. Thank god, because we

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Speaker 4: don't need any more of that. But well, actually, actually

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Speaker 4: some people will have an argument against me, and they

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Speaker 4: may have a good argument. But the thing that's new

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Speaker 4: is that we've got a timeline by the end of

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Speaker 4: the year. So we'll talk to Todd McClay about that

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Speaker 4: after six sport huddles standing by and right now it's

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Speaker 4: twenty four away from sex. Now let's talk about what

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Speaker 4: David Seymour said yesterday. He floated the policy that would

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Speaker 4: cut a whole lot of ministries and a whole lot

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Speaker 4: of ministerial portfolios and government. He went after racing, hunting

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Speaker 4: and fishing, hospitality space, child poverty reduction, but also I

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Speaker 4: have gone after the Minister for Women. Jantonetti is a

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Speaker 4: former Minister for Women and also child poverty reduction in

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Speaker 4: the last Labor government is with us now, Hello jan Hi,

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Speaker 4: Heather sell me on the Minister for Women. Why do

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Speaker 4: we need to keep this ridiculous position.

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Speaker 10: Well, it's not ridiculous for a start, because we've got

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Speaker 10: a lot of women out there that are well behind.

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Speaker 10: We have their male counterparts are. We have a very

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Speaker 10: high gender pay gap that's sitting stubbornly around eight to

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Speaker 10: ten percent. Women's unemployment is much higher in certain demographics.

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Speaker 10: There's a disperformtionate impact on women during labor market shops,

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Speaker 10: marginalized groups.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, the bad stuff. What's the minister done

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Speaker 4: about it or doing?

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Speaker 10: So what's happened is that we've got a ministry that

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Speaker 10: has can put a gender lens over it and can

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Speaker 10: have that specialized look at what is happening and the

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Speaker 10: interventions that will make a difference. So, as an example,

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Speaker 10: in the three years that I was minister, we developed

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Speaker 10: and impremented plans to produce the lowest ever gender pay

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Speaker 10: gap in the public service that we could then take

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Speaker 10: and put that across into the private sector to see

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Speaker 10: how we made a difference in the public service. Take

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Speaker 10: that across to the private sector.

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Speaker 9: Oh my gosh, you.

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Speaker 15: This what you do?

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Speaker 4: This is how you close the gender pay gap?

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Speaker 6: Is you go?

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Speaker 4: I mean, if you care about it, you go and

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Speaker 4: you say, hey, public service, pay the women the same

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Speaker 4: as the dudes, and then you rely on the private

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Speaker 4: sector women to actually ask for this. It's literally just

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Speaker 4: paying people more. You don't need a ministry for that.

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Speaker 10: No, you actually do, because people don't understand what happens

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Speaker 10: to creation.

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Speaker 6: Just saying that.

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Speaker 10: Exactly exactly proves my point because you have just simplified

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Speaker 10: something that is so complex, and that is the issue

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Speaker 10: here that if we put this out to other ministries

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Speaker 10: to do, if we did all of this out to

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Speaker 10: other ministries, they would try and simplify it far too

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Speaker 10: much and and we wouldn't get anywhere. Would become this

1148
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Speaker 10: pit box mentality. You just proved my point.

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Speaker 4: Why do we need a child poverty reduction minister? Don't

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Speaker 4: tell me because we have child poverty. It's tell me

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Speaker 4: why we need the minister.

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Speaker 10: Exactly for the same reason. When you put this to

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Speaker 10: other ministries, that does not become their big focus. When

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Speaker 10: you have a minister, which is really complex when you

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Speaker 10: are in government that the actual ministerial portfolio is incredibly technical,

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Speaker 10: but it brings together everything else, so you're able to

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Speaker 10: have the oversight of all of the other initiatives that

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Speaker 10: all of the other ministries are taking part in, and

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Speaker 10: you're able to then say, well, look, this clearly isn't

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Speaker 10: working because you're bringing it all together, or this is working.

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Speaker 10: This is what we need to focus our resources on.

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Speaker 4: So tell me something that you did as the child

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Speaker 4: poverty reduction minister that you saw and that you change

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Speaker 4: that made a difference.

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Speaker 10: So Child Poverty Reduction Minister doesn't do it doesn't have

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Speaker 10: the responsibility for the initiatives. What they do have the

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Speaker 10: responsibility for is monitoring the data. So what I was

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Speaker 10: able to do was look at that and say, these

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Speaker 10: initiatives that NSD are putting in, for example, are making

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Speaker 10: this difference, So we need to put more resourcing into

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Speaker 10: this area. So the minister has the oversight to say, well,

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Speaker 10: this is where we need to put more resourcing, or

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Speaker 10: this is where we need to change the resourcing from.

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Speaker 10: It is a really critical part making certain that all

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Speaker 10: the ministries work together.

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Speaker 7: What did I do?

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Speaker 10: I was able to look at yep, so absolutely can

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Speaker 10: do that. So in twenty twenty three, because I only

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Speaker 10: took over in twenty twenty three, we were able to

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Speaker 10: lean into where we could make the biggest difference as

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Speaker 10: far as children's education was concerned in the early years,

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Speaker 10: so that we could get people able to be able

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Speaker 10: to afford the right childcare, to get mums back into

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Speaker 10: the workforce predominantly mums. And so we introduced that extension

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Speaker 10: of the twenty hours free and that came not from

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Speaker 10: my Minister of Education hat but came from my Minister

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Speaker 10: of Child Poverty Reduction, looking at what was going to

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Speaker 10: make the biggest difference. Another one that we looked at

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Speaker 10: was the review and the implementation of Working for Families.

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Speaker 10: That was working with Carmel Sepeloni, who was the Minister

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Speaker 10: at that stage. That area I was able to be

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Speaker 10: looking and having that really deep dive into the data

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Speaker 10: and saying to her this is where we need to

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Speaker 10: be now focusing our resources. That's the difference that that

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Speaker 10: ministerial portfolio has because they can have that absolute sharp

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Speaker 10: focus on that particular area.

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Speaker 4: All Right, jan I just feel like I need to

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Speaker 4: be honest with you you haven't convinced me because you're

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Speaker 4: only not a surprise, Heather, what not a surprise? Because

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Speaker 4: the thing is, shouldn't every minister who is doling out

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Speaker 4: cash be trying to get the kiddies who are poor

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Speaker 4: out of poverty? I mean, I just which completely overcomplicating

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Speaker 4: very simple things.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And you're exactly right there. They absolutely

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Speaker 10: should be and that is the Minister of Told Poverty

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Speaker 10: Reductions role to make sure that that's exactly what they're

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Speaker 10: doing and shepherd through that that strategy of everybody working

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Speaker 10: together and making that their targets.

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Speaker 4: I've got to give you some credit, Jan because nobody

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Speaker 4: else would talk out this, not the Minister for Space

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Speaker 4: or HOSPO or child current child property, nobody, nobody except

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Speaker 4: for you. So I appreciate you turning up and having

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Speaker 4: the debate. Jantiniti former Minister for Women and Child Poverty Reduction,

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Speaker 4: is eighteen away from.

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Speaker 1: Six Friday Sports title with New Zealand Suburby's International Realty

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00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: Find Your One of a Kind.

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Speaker 4: That's the treat the Warriors for the.

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Speaker 14: First time on Antick Days twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 6: Look, let me start I just saying, you know, give

1220
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 6: a big apology to the basketball community to know the

1221
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 6: commission in the league and in fact the other clubs,

1222
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Speaker 6: we've made them.

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Speaker 5: We've made some mistakes.

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Speaker 4: Ferrari, what are you doing a little bit of blue?

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Speaker 4: A little bit of white?

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Speaker 2: Are you? Kenny May?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 4: This team could have so much aura, but they just

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Speaker 4: do stuff like this On the sports title with me

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Speaker 4: this evening, Andrew Gordy sports commentator and Paul Ellison News

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Speaker 4: talk z'd be rugby commentator. Hell are you too?

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Speaker 5: Can I hear that you?

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Speaker 4: Gordy? Are you there?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Thearius Yep, we'll have gremlins in the system. Sorry about that, Gordi?

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Speaker 4: What do you make of the Ferrari?

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Speaker 17: I hate it?

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Speaker 13: You may as well?

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Speaker 17: From the Italian perspective, you Mays will snap the pastor

1241
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Speaker 17: in half before you put it in the pot and

1242
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Speaker 17: serve up an espresso with an X.

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Speaker 4: I hate it.

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Speaker 17: It's just very American.

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Speaker 15: Isn't that.

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Speaker 17: I can see what they've done. They've gone with the red,

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Speaker 17: white and blue, but it just looks gross to me.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Paul, isn't this the reality though, that if

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Speaker 4: you're taking money from something like HP, you're going to

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00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 4: have to paint HP in your car and make a

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Speaker 4: whole lot of it blue and white.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely money talks in this situation. They've got HP as

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Speaker 11: a sponsor, that's their traditional colors. Interestingly, looking back at

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Speaker 11: the history though, how Ferrari got to be read in

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Speaker 11: the first place. It wasn't then that made the decision.

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Speaker 11: It was the FIA when they assigned colors to the

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Speaker 11: country of the car. So Italy had the race and red,

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Speaker 11: Great Britain had the race in green, France was blue,

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Speaker 11: Germany was silver, and you've even seen people like Sai

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Speaker 11: Chris Amon over the years wearing blue racing suit. So

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Speaker 11: although that car is synonymous with red, a bit like

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Speaker 11: Coca Cola is with red. Yeah, I think this is

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Speaker 11: just about money talking in the evolution of commercialism in sport.

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Speaker 4: Yeah too, right, Gordy, listen, tell me Auckland FC. They've

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Speaker 4: got the platey thing for having won the round robin?

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Speaker 4: Are they going to win the next bit? Are they

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Speaker 4: going to win the whole thing?

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Speaker 17: I think there's absolutely no reason to believe they can't.

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Speaker 17: I mean, they've proven the best throughout the course of

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Speaker 17: the season. Right now, when you get into a format

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Speaker 17: like this this part of the season, knockout Anything can

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Speaker 17: happen in this sort of sort of format of sport,

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Speaker 17: I suppose. But they've clearly been the best team all

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Speaker 17: season and jeez, what an achievement it would be. They've

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Speaker 17: already achieved something that no other team in New Zealand

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Speaker 17: has ever achieved before. And they're doing everything right off

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Speaker 17: the pitch, they're doing everything right on it. So they're

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Speaker 17: in a fantastic position.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they would have to, wouldn't they pull Because

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Speaker 4: if they won the round robin and had such a

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Speaker 4: wonderful season and then didn't win this knockout stage, it

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Speaker 4: would just it would make a mockery of this, wouldn't it.

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Speaker 11: Well, that's what sports about and seen it in the

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Speaker 11: past when the top round robin team hasn't won the

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Speaker 11: Grand Final. Let's hope that if they get through the

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Speaker 11: semi finals which will come up, and the fact that

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Speaker 11: it's home and away, that Auckland get to host it

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Speaker 11: at Eden Park, they'll host one of the sections of

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Speaker 11: the semi final. If they get to the Grand Final,

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Speaker 11: Let's hope it is an Auckland whether it's at Eden

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Speaker 11: Park or go Media Stadium. But they've been fantastic they've

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Speaker 11: got a way to a great start this year. They've

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Speaker 11: got those early wins against the Roar and Sydney and

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Speaker 11: then the Phoenix and that really set them up for

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Speaker 11: the season. And I just continued on they've hardly missed

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Speaker 11: a beat. What have they lost two games out of

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Speaker 11: twenty five. It's been an absolutely upstanding season for them.

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Speaker 4: I know it's been incredibly I we'll take a break,

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Speaker 4: come back to you guys shortly quarter to.

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Speaker 1: Two the Friday Sports Title with New Zealand South of

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Speaker 1: East International real Z the Ones with Local and Global reach.

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Speaker 4: Back on the Sports Title with Andrew Gordy and Paul Allison.

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Speaker 4: Paul listen, I've looked at the situation with these Auckland FC.

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Speaker 4: Speaking on the topic of Auckland FC. These guys offering

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Speaker 4: to build a stadium for the city. City doesn't have

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Speaker 4: to put any money in. Why would the city just

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Speaker 4: say you, thank you very much and start doing it.

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Speaker 11: Well, I think that's what's going to end up happening.

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Speaker 11: I think anything like this are not being politically correct here, Heather.

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Speaker 11: But what you've got to do is you've got to

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Speaker 11: have some form of support from the community. But this

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Speaker 11: yere looks like a no brainer. It's not about the

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Speaker 11: build of the stadium. Most stadiums can be built with

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Speaker 11: some form of fundraising costs and the key funding partners.

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Speaker 11: It's the ongoing operational and capital costs, and that's what

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Speaker 11: these guys have actually said that.

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Speaker 6: They will do.

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Speaker 11: They're talking two to three hundred million dollars. Big names involved,

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Speaker 11: Bill Foley, Steven Adams even there as well, along within

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Speaker 11: a MOBRAI and the likes. But this looks on face

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Speaker 11: value like that's the ideal option. The only challenge they'll

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Speaker 11: have is they make it a twelve and a half

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Speaker 11: thousand seat stadium and they want to play FC games

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Speaker 11: there awkld FC games a year if they've been attracting

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Speaker 11: audiences and crowds this year of around eighteen thousand.

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Speaker 6: So what do they do?

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Speaker 11: Do they not have enough to play their home games here,

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Speaker 11: even though that's what one of the key things that

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Speaker 11: they're looking at doing there, along with basketball facilities and

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Speaker 11: other sports rated activities.

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Speaker 6: On face failing, it looks like it's the perfect solution.

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Speaker 4: I just thought Paul I just assumed that they were

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Speaker 4: being smart about it and they were realizing that at

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Speaker 4: some stage if the club wasn't doing particularly well and

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Speaker 4: the enthusiasm dropped off. They would still have a full stadium,

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Speaker 4: do you know what I mean, rather than a whole

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Speaker 4: bunch of empty seats.

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Speaker 15: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, And I think there's probably a need for this.

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Speaker 11: I mean, you live an Orkland, you're a rate payer.

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Speaker 11: I don't, but looking at it from the outside in,

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Speaker 11: to me, it just makes real good sense. I mean,

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Speaker 11: Western Springs has been a fantastic toa silly I think

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Speaker 11: it was the first cinder all weare the track in

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Speaker 11: New Zealand years ago it said speedway and rolling stones

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Speaker 11: and out and John and the like all there.

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Speaker 6: But you've got to move on.

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Speaker 11: And if you're going to get a custom built, fully

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Speaker 11: paid for facility, that also the ongoing costs, both capital

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Speaker 11: and operation are going to be paid for. Pretty hard

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Speaker 11: to turn down.

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Speaker 4: I would have thought, Gordy, what do you reckon?

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Speaker 17: I reckon if the three options that essentially counsel has

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Speaker 17: put forward, which is this an alternative, which is really

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Speaker 17: prioritizing music from what I can see, fifty thousand seats

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Speaker 17: sort of venue, or do nothing, it's a clear, clearly

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Speaker 17: obvious pick. Right the concerts of that nature now should

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Speaker 17: be held at Eaton Park, and we're seeing that, you know,

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Speaker 17: with some regularity.

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Speaker 11: Now.

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Speaker 17: I like the plan that Auckland FC and their backers

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Speaker 17: have put forward. My only concern about it is it

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Speaker 17: feels like the stadium aspect of it is either maybe

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Speaker 17: a little bit too small, and I'm not a huge

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Speaker 17: fan of the open, open at one end sort of thing.

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Speaker 17: I think when you're wanting that great fan experience at

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Speaker 17: any kind of rectangular sports fixture, you want you want

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Speaker 17: the energy and the atmosphere to remain inside, and that's

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Speaker 17: just going to lead to leakage out one end. So

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Speaker 17: I'd love to see that aspect fixed and have a

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Speaker 17: fully enclosed four sides. But look, I think of all

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Speaker 17: the options there, it's the best one. And I love

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Speaker 17: that it's incorporating basketball and other sort of community sort

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Speaker 17: of It can be a little community hub. I suppose

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Speaker 17: it's a great location. They need to make the most

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Speaker 17: of it, so they need to make sure they make

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Speaker 17: the right call here. But at the moment it seems

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Speaker 17: like the best one for sure.

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Speaker 4: Are you, Gordy going to participate in the new sport it?

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Speaker 17: I'm glad you asked thereally, because Paul and I were

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Speaker 17: just discussing this off here and I think this is

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Speaker 17: a sport and event that's really built for two people

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Speaker 17: like Paul and I. So yeah, look, I'm really looking

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Speaker 17: forward to it. It's a nonsense idea, isn't it. And

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Speaker 17: it's it's going to lead to tears. It's going to

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Speaker 17: lead to heartbreak for someone. Quite frankly, it's it's hugely dangerous.

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Speaker 17: And look, I know what you're going to ask me,

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Speaker 17: should we should we allow it here in New Zealand. Look,

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Speaker 17: people do dumb things every single day, right, and and

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Speaker 17: that's never going to stop. The one thing I would

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Speaker 17: say about this is when the inevitable injuries and horrendous

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Speaker 17: injuries come from this, I don't want my acc levees

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Speaker 17: paying for it. So you sign a disclaimer and you

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Speaker 17: better make sure you've got your private healthcare sort of

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Speaker 17: before you go and do something like that.

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Speaker 4: Paul, Are you as brutal and cutthroat as he is?

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Speaker 11: It depends on whether I have to take him on

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Speaker 11: in a ten meter zone, running full on or not.

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Speaker 11: If it's a wait for age, we might we might

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Speaker 11: be actually okay. But if you against the big sellers,

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Speaker 11: it's going to be a bit challenging. I mean, there

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Speaker 11: is so many sports that are dangerous, mixed martial arts,

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Speaker 11: cage fighting, ber knuckle boxing, Gaelic football, hurling, the likes.

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Speaker 11: This does appear a bit crazy, and I don't think

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Speaker 11: it's necessarily a sport. I think it's a physical activity

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Speaker 11: challenge and if you're going into it, you probably need

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Speaker 11: to sort of sign disclaimers and whatever, and there's probably

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Speaker 11: some mitigating things you can do about padded crash elmets

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Speaker 11: and padded shoulder pads and the like. But yeah, to me,

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Speaker 11: it seems a bit farcical and I haven't quote embraced

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Speaker 11: it yet.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, there's always a dull Winnian aspect of these kinds

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Speaker 4: of things in there. Think you guys appreciate it. Andrew

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Speaker 4: Gordy Paul Allison sports title this evening seven away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio powered by News talksz'b.

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Speaker 4: Listen UK politics news coming in that Reformer is doing

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Speaker 4: really really well in the council in the local elections

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Speaker 4: in the UK. If you've been following this, Reformers, Nigel

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Speaker 4: Farage's party poses a real threat to the upset like

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Speaker 4: potential to upset the two party dominance, and at the

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Speaker 4: moment BBC's running account on how many council seats they've

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Speaker 4: won sixty six to the Reform UK Party versus thirty

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Speaker 4: seven to the Conservatives, eleven to Labor and everybody else

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Speaker 4: is not even worth talking about. So huge upset. We're

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Speaker 4: going to have a chat to Gavin Gray, our UK

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Speaker 4: correspondent before the end of the program. Yeah, Jan, Jan

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Speaker 4: convinced hardly anyone. I mean, that's not really surprising, is it.

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Speaker 4: So the Minister of Poverty Prevention looked through MSD programs, Heather,

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Speaker 4: and then determine which ones worked and needed money allocated

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Speaker 4: to that. Shouldn't that be the role of the Minister

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Speaker 4: of MSD. Hither, I can get you a really good

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Speaker 4: analyst to do that monitoring role that she was doing. Hither,

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Speaker 4: that woman didn't give one concrete reason why we need

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Speaker 4: a ministry for women. Here, the Jan would be a

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Speaker 4: lively dinner party guest.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 4: The Jan is a breath of fresh air.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: I like Jan, I've always liked Jan. I like the

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Speaker 4: Jan turns up and gives her argument. But I'm still

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Speaker 4: not convinced by it, because basically what Jan's argument was

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Speaker 4: is that you need these roles so that she could

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Speaker 4: do a deep dive in that role, that minister can

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Speaker 4: do a deep dive into the data and then tell

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Speaker 4: the minister who actually has the money in some other portfolio,

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Speaker 4: tell that minister to spend the money. And that's ultimately

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Speaker 4: what these ministers doing. They're just doing deep dives into

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Speaker 4: data and then telling somebody to spend money. It's not

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Speaker 4: really what I want from my government, is that you

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Speaker 4: want from you. I don't want to fix everything with money.

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Speaker 4: Surely that there surely there is another solution. We can

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Speaker 4: find some other way of fixing things. Anyway, I remain

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Speaker 4: on my crusade to abolish the Ministry for Women and

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Speaker 4: the Minister for Women. And the only reason I'm picking

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Speaker 4: on these guys is because I am a woman, which

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Speaker 4: means I think it's a safe place for me. You know,

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Speaker 4: I don't get get done and by the media commentators

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Speaker 4: for being anist, some sort of anist fill in the blanks. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: Thomas Coglin's going to be with us because it looks

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Speaker 4: like Nicholas going to be taking away your key we

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Speaker 4: save a subsidy or means testing it or something. So

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Speaker 4: he'll rap the political week that was shortly and explain things.

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Speaker 4: But Todd McLay Agriculture Minister. Next News Talk.

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Speaker 2: ZB keeping track of where the money is flowing.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather due to Syle and Mayors,

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Speaker 1: Insurance and investments, Grow your Wealth, Protect Your Future News.

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Speaker 2: Talks at b.

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Speaker 4: Evening coming up in the next hour. We're going to

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Speaker 4: wrap the political week that was with Thomas Coglan chat

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Speaker 4: to Peter Lewis over in Hong Kong of our China

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Speaker 4: standing up to Trump and his tariffs and also Gavin

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Speaker 4: Gray is going to run us through reform romping in

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Speaker 4: in the UK and those elections at seven past six.

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Speaker 4: Now farmers are going to be banned from fully turning

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Speaker 4: their land into forests and that will come into effect

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Speaker 4: by the end of the year, the Agriculture Minister says.

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Speaker 4: Sheep and bee farms of the government's focus while also

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Speaker 4: trying to support sustainable land use. In Todd McLay is

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Speaker 4: with us.

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Speaker 7: Now, Hey, Todd, hey, heaven, how are you.

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Speaker 4: I'm well, thank you? How do farmers feel about this?

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Speaker 18: By the way, there's a lot of pressure building again.

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Speaker 18: You'll know during the campaign we talked about it and

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Speaker 18: we came out with policy around restrictions on this. The

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Speaker 18: government is concerned that we're seeing very valuable food producing

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Speaker 18: land having trees planted for carbon purposes. You know, we

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Speaker 18: do need trees in New Zealand. It's important, you know,

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Speaker 18: for the economy. But at the same time we are

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Speaker 18: the world's best food producers. So we're putting rules in

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Speaker 18: place that say farmers will have some choices, they can

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Speaker 18: plant trees in ways and so on, but actually we're

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Speaker 18: stopping the full farm to forest conversion and we're going

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Speaker 18: to be working with a foresty community to find land

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Speaker 18: elsewhere that's not farm for them to be a plant on.

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Speaker 4: I mean, look, the thing is, we're all assuming that

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Speaker 4: the farmers love it because there obviously protects their communities

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Speaker 4: by keeping people there. But do they necessarily love it

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Speaker 4: because it stops them from being able to sell their land.

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Speaker 7: Well, look at that.

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Speaker 18: That's the reason that we've taken a little bit of

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Speaker 18: extra time to get the rules right. We're saying on

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Speaker 18: the most valuable land, which is classified as one through five,

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Speaker 18: that farmers can can plant up to twenty five percent

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Speaker 18: of their own land. If they want you to go

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Speaker 18: into the ets a luck six land which is predominantly

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Speaker 18: sheep and beef, we'll have a quota of fifteen thousand

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Speaker 18: hecta of fifteen thousand hectares per year and where people

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Speaker 18: in abid to be.

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Speaker 2: Able to plant.

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Speaker 18: So we think that will provide enough choice to those

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Speaker 18: farmers that want to exit or want to do some

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Speaker 18: plant in the soals. It might have some land it's

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Speaker 18: not good to farm anymore to them be able to

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Speaker 18: do that. But where we see on the east coast

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Speaker 18: or of the North Island or Northland, or certainly parts

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Speaker 18: of Otago and Southland, very very large sheep stations being

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Speaker 18: brought up because people view the carbon price as being

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Speaker 18: more rewarding than growing lamb to sell, you know to

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Speaker 18: the UK or the European Union. That gives me concern

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Speaker 18: and we want to make sure that we produce the

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Speaker 18: food the world needs, not just plant trees for carbon purposes.

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Speaker 4: Now, todd if we don't allow these guys to plant

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01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 4: as many trees as they like, how are we going

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Speaker 4: to meet our climate obligations for twenty thirty.

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Speaker 18: Well, we still have the ability to do that In fact,

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Speaker 18: we release some more estimates a short while ago showing

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01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 18: that farmers are on track to do their ten percent

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01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 18: reduction that's currently in the law. So that's been done,

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01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 18: but we can't keep meeting an obligation by planting trees

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01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 18: for farmers. There are a range of tools where we're

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01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:11,679
Speaker 18: working on with them some yea.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's not what I mean. I don't mean.

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Speaker 4: I don't just mean the agriculture sector. I mean the

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Speaker 4: entire country, because we're clearly not going to meet our

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01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 4: obligation and we're going to have to pay some third

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01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 4: world country billions of dollars to plant trees for us.

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01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 4: And the only way to mitigate that is if we

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Speaker 4: plant some trees ourselves, isn't it.

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Speaker 7: So we're going to do it.

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01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 18: The challenge we're going here there is largely the last

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01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 18: government set up these conditions, They made the commitments, and

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01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 18: they knew all the way along.

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Speaker 7: Was not going to be happens.

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Speaker 18: I don't think there's an appetite in New Zealand for

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01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 18: billions of dollars to be sent overseas. But ultimately the

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01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 18: Climate Change Minister has come out with a plan that

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01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,680
Speaker 18: over that period of time to twenty thirty five and

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01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 18: then twenty fifty, which is the absolute obligation, is in place.

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01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:52,720
Speaker 18: We do get to meet our obligations. But what the

1553
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,760
Speaker 18: government of Christopher luxons be very clear. We must take

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01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 18: our international obligations around climate change seriously for trade reasons,

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01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 18: but we're not going to close down farms and jobs

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01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 18: and productions.

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Speaker 4: But we're not going to meet it. That don't I

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01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:06,560
Speaker 4: suppose for political reasons we can't admit it, but we

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01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 4: can admit it, can't we We're not going to meet

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01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 4: the obligations and we ain't going to pay the billions.

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Speaker 18: Well, we're focused on doing everything that we have to

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01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,639
Speaker 18: we can do to meet those obligations. Climate change mints

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01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 18: or have more to say, but I can say to

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01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 18: you again, I don't think there's an appetite within New

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01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 18: Zealand with every day landed for billions of dollars to

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Speaker 18: be sent oversea AO.

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Speaker 4: Right now, listen, where are we at with the tariff?

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01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 4: So we are we winning at all?

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Speaker 18: Well, in as far as the US is concerned, we,

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Speaker 18: with every other country of the world except for a

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Speaker 18: couple of China example, have a ten percent tariff on US.

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Speaker 18: I've been talking to a lot of trade ministers and

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01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 18: other countries both here as they've come to New Zealand

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01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:42,640
Speaker 18: this week, and you know, phone calls and so on.

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01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:46,440
Speaker 18: It feels like or looks like from the US administration

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01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 18: the new lowest tariff right they will have anywhere there's

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01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 18: ten percent, so there's no indication that we're higher than that,

1578
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 18: but we're engaging and talking to them about actually why

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01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:56,800
Speaker 18: we think we should be lower than that. I'll be

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01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 18: meeting my US counterpart at an international in Korea next month, sorry,

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01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 18: this month, a couple of weeks time, where I'll have

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01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 18: a chance for the first time to meet him in person,

1583
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 18: and we're going to make the case that we think

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01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:13,559
Speaker 18: those rates should come down. But there are countries around

1585
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:15,799
Speaker 18: the world that we're facing twenty thirty forty cent teriffs.

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01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:17,640
Speaker 18: There are in a queue they're trying to negotiate get

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01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:20,919
Speaker 18: that down. We are being treated the best of anybody,

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01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 18: but I think those ten percent tariff rates are not

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01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 18: good for New Zealand, and they're going to put prices

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01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 18: up for US consumers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, good luck with it, Todd, Thanks for your time.

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Speaker 4: Tom McLay Agriculture and Forestry Ministry and Forestry minister. Now

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01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 4: we are not just understand this, we are not going

1594
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:40,679
Speaker 4: to meet our twenty thirty obligations, but we are also

1595
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 4: not going to pay those billions of dollars. But the

1596
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 4: government ministers are not going to say that out loud

1597
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 4: because they can't say it out loud because the minute

1598
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 4: they say it out loud, they start getting in trouble.

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Speaker 4: But that is exactly what's going to happen here. By

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Speaker 4: the way, I've got some great news for you. Guess

1601
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 4: who agrees with me that we shouldn't have women's ministries

1602
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Speaker 4: Bob Jones in that interview with Jeremy Wells all those

1603
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 4: years ago. Have a listen.

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01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 9: See labor governments are fun because they are responsible with

1605
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Speaker 9: other people's money and the society economy just bubbles.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 9: That's wonderful, But that means you get departments of women

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Speaker 9: affairs in this sort of crap.

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Speaker 4: that sounds like a really long time to you, it

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Speaker 4: the political week that was we have The Herald's political editor,

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Speaker 4: Thomas Coglan. Welcome back, Thomas. Okay, so it looks increasingly

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01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 4: like how we're going to get this budgets put together

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01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 4: as some sort of means testing, right.

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01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, Look, I'm picking means testing of the key. We

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01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 7: save a subsidy. It's a lot of money. It's a

1640
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 7: billion dollars a year we spend on this key. We

1641
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 7: save a subsidy basically means if you say about twenty

1642
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:50,679
Speaker 7: dollars a week, the government will give you five hundred

1643
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 7: and twenty dollars at the end of the year. But

1644
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:55,720
Speaker 7: of course that that comes from your taxes, so they

1645
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 7: get it from you. Eventually a billion dollars a year

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01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 7: for the whole budget. That's that's about seven percent of

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01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 7: the entire budget. I would pick that the government might

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01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 7: means test it at about one hundred and eighty thousand

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01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:07,559
Speaker 7: dollars a year. If you're earning one hundred and eighty

1650
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 7: thousand dollars or more, they might They might not to

1651
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 7: take that away from you. They wouldn't save a whole

1652
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 7: lot of money, but I think that'll be one of

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01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 7: the measures they look to. Where else they're going to

1654
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 7: find this money. Nikola Willis said this week billions of

1655
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 7: dollars used feed up, freed up from reprioritizations. That is

1656
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 7: a lot of money, and the rest of it is

1657
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:26,599
Speaker 7: a bit of a mystery. At the Stage's find out

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01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:27,639
Speaker 7: on May twenty second.

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Speaker 4: Thomas, one hundred and eighty thousand is a very very

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01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 4: high level. I mean, shouldn't she be mean testing at

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01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 4: a much lower level if she wants to save some

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01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 4: serious coin.

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01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 7: Well, it is interesting there are some economists out there

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01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 7: who think that these subsidies actually don't encourage people to

1665
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 7: use key we save her anyway. You know, people people

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01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 7: wanting to save are generally saving because they think it's

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01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:48,720
Speaker 7: a good idea, not because the government's going to give

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01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 7: you five hundred and twenty dollars. So there is an

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01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 7: argument for actually getting rid of it entirely, or means

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01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 7: testing it at a much lower, much lower level, you know,

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01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:58,479
Speaker 7: maybe one hundred thousand dollars, eighty thousand dollars, so you're

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01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 7: getting sort of Maybe it's a good idea to get

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01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 7: high school kids with their first job to do some

1674
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 7: Keysaver contributions, although I think actually you only get it

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01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 7: if you're over eighteen, So did we go. I've rolled

1676
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 7: myself down there. But something like that, you know it

1677
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:12,639
Speaker 7: won't you know? It would save tens of millions of dollars,

1678
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 7: not the billions she's looking for.

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01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:16,560
Speaker 4: Oh listen, I'll tell you what's driving me up the

1680
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 4: wall at the moment. Is this debate about where the

1681
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 4: Tory pulled out of the race because we're too mean

1682
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 4: to her. I mean, that's just cock and ball, isn't it.

1683
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 15: No.

1684
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 7: I think I think she pulled out because Andrew Little

1685
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 7: And she's basically said that in her interviews he was

1686
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 7: going to give her a wing changed and yeah, when

1687
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 7: she said he's changed the game. And yes, I think

1688
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 7: I think if he if the two of them have

1689
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 7: gone head to head, he would he would certainly have one.

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01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:43,560
Speaker 7: You know, Single transferrable voters is a strange system. She

1691
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 7: might have got lucky on some other people's preferences, but

1692
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 7: it is I mean, it's I struggle to see a

1693
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 7: path of the victory if we're going into here.

1694
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 4: Okay, now, Thomas, I'm going to give you the opportunity

1695
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 4: to tell us why you think the Tory wasn't as

1696
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 4: bad as we think she was. Would you like to

1697
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 4: have another go at.

1698
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 7: It, right, Look, I like there are too the rates

1699
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:09,720
Speaker 7: are too high. I think they've got they've got that

1700
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 7: badly wrong. Commercial rates I think are a big stop stop.

1701
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 4: You do not need to tell us all the things

1702
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 4: she did badly. We know what are the things that

1703
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 4: you think that she did well.

1704
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 7: I personally think that the council has turned the tide

1705
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 7: on water investment now. Unfortunately, the water investment is being

1706
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:32,639
Speaker 7: pissed up the wall. It thanks to Welling for Water.

1707
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 4: But I'm going to chump back at you, and I'm

1708
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 4: going to point you to her first year and her

1709
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 4: first budget, and there was not nearly enough water money

1710
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 4: going into water investments. She was forced to do that

1711
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 4: by embarrassment of pipes spilling all over the place. Right.

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01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 7: But Look, to be honest, I'm not sure about the

1713
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 7: first budget. I'm going by the final budget. I think

1714
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 7: it's one point eight billion dollars over the long term

1715
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 7: period of the long.

1716
01:17:57,400 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 4: Even then, Thomas, in contrast to all the other counts

1717
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 4: in the Wellington region, it's still not the highest when

1718
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 4: it should be.

1719
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 7: No, who is the highest? Is it hard to a

1720
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 7: pot door that's not entirely Look, I like I'm not

1721
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 7: going to give me another thing she's done. Well, go on,

1722
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 7: Well let's see. I personally think the airport say, it

1723
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 7: was a good idea. This is my personal my personal view.

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01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:21,759
Speaker 4: But she lost it because she was because people hated

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Speaker 4: her so much they just wanted to vote.

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Speaker 7: Against Yeah, And I think you make a when you do.

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Speaker 7: This is a good lesson for anyone going into politics.

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Speaker 7: Your personal struggles are going to be used against you,

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Speaker 7: regardless of whether you think they're being used against you

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Speaker 7: unfairly or fairly. So if you do struggle with you know,

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Speaker 7: your personal personal life, as she did, then that is

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Speaker 7: going to make life much more difficult for you as

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Speaker 7: the politician. I think I'm a Cantabrian, come from christ Church.

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Speaker 7: I think Wellington is just not It doesn't understand, it

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Speaker 7: doesn't hasn't reckoned with the fact that it is going

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Speaker 7: to be, you know, raised to the ground one day.

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Speaker 7: And that Wellington Airport proposed I thought was a fairly

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Speaker 7: sensible way of of of taking care of that under

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Speaker 7: insurance assue of even I thought it was a good idea.

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Speaker 4: But in the end she failed to do it. Hey,

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Speaker 4: really quickly, really quickly. How can David Seymour and what's

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Speaker 4: his name, Shane Jones get rid of this co governance

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Speaker 4: thing in the White targets.

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Speaker 7: That is that is very difficult. I mean, I've got

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Speaker 7: to hold hand up and say I actually don't know

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Speaker 7: the mechanism for this, because the government is saying that

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Speaker 7: this is a local bill and therefore the deed comes

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Speaker 7: from a local bill and therefore Auckland Council has to

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Speaker 7: sort of play ball here to get rid of it.

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Speaker 7: So that doesn't seem to be forthcoming unless Wayne Brown,

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Speaker 7: I guess swingers and behind it. You might have to

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Speaker 7: talk to some of the constitutional experts on this, maybe

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01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 7: a Graham editor and the like. Surely the government can

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Speaker 7: introduce a bill to get rid of it, even if

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Speaker 7: Auckland Council, you know, Parliament ultimately what it says goes.

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Speaker 7: But I have to say that is that is getting

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Speaker 7: a wee bit outside of my constitutional area of expertise.

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Speaker 7: But I would I would think that they could pass

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Speaker 7: the pass a bible to do that. Finet's efinets of

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Speaker 7: course agree with them, but it looks like the government

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Speaker 7: as broadly ANTIDSK, but they disagree that the amount of

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Speaker 7: power they have to get rid of it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, brilliant listen, Thomas, thank you has always appreciated a

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Speaker 4: joy weekend. Thomas Coglan, The Herald's political editor, six twenty.

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Speaker 2: Three, creating the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's heather due for Sea Elan with the Business Hour

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Speaker 1: and mass insurance and investments, Grow your Wealth, Protect your

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Speaker 1: Future news.

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Speaker 4: Togs env By the way, just a reminder, Gavin Gray

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Speaker 4: is going to talk to us out of the UK

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Speaker 4: about the UK local elections that are coming through at

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Speaker 4: the moment. In reform, as I was telling you earlier,

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Speaker 4: is predicted to do much better than expected. But on

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Speaker 4: the subject of elections, it's obviously the Australian election tomorrow

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Speaker 4: and by all accounts it should be an absolute spanking

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Speaker 4: for Peter Dutton and Elbow should romp in. But apparently

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Speaker 4: and them seeing some analysis coming out of the Australia

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Speaker 4: on this, apparently they are on Dutton's side of the fence,

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Speaker 4: still holding out hope that it might not be that

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Speaker 4: bad and that there could be some sort of an

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Speaker 4: upset or something like that. And what they're basing that

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Speaker 4: on is the extremely high I think it's unprecedented level

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Speaker 4: of undecided and soft voters going into the selection at

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Speaker 4: the moment. Now, I can't remember exactly what the number was,

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Speaker 4: was like eighteen or nineteen percent or something like that,

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Speaker 4: but it's incredibly high, and so they're hoping that a

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Speaker 4: lot of those cut their way. They're also taking some

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Speaker 4: heart from Mark Karney what happened in Canada because Marke Karney,

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Speaker 4: Yeah he won, but I think a few of us

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Speaker 4: thought that he was going to win a little bit

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Speaker 4: more decisively.

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Speaker 7: Than he did.

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Speaker 4: He ended up with a minority government. And also, as

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Speaker 4: has been pointed out to me just in the last

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Speaker 4: couple of minutes, Scott Morrison wasn't supposed to win right

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Speaker 4: so the right overperformance on the day potentially in Australia.

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Speaker 4: So we'll see how it goes. I mean, you probably

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Speaker 4: still put your money on elbow, but you never know.

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Speaker 4: Something could happen. Twenty six prs six Now I haven't

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Speaker 4: I haven't made a secret of this. I'm a fan

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Speaker 4: of Tina. I love the Tina song, you know, the

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Speaker 4: one the Tina's Turner sung where she sings about all

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Speaker 4: the cars. I Turners knows this. So they give me

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Speaker 4: a little updates on what's up and they've given me

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Speaker 4: an update and they've said, we've got a video now

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Speaker 4: for the song, and then they sent me the link

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Speaker 4: and here it is. Here's a little bit of it

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Speaker 4: for you.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 4: What you will notice is they've jazzed about. There's a

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Speaker 4: bit of horn there which they didn't have in the

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Speaker 4: radio ads.

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Speaker 13: You've got so fat, it's a seed stone Fast.

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Speaker 4: Got a backing vocal which they didn't have in the

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Speaker 4: radio ad. That's one lout. And what you can't see

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Speaker 4: is that there are three men with their top sop

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Speaker 4: playing guitar, and two of them are very sick. So

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Speaker 4: you're gonna want to watch this. And I can even

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Speaker 4: tell you when it's going to hit the TV twenty

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Speaker 4: to seven on TV one during the news. I don't

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Speaker 4: know if I was given permission to tell you the time.

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Speaker 4: But if you go put it an alarm when you fight,

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Speaker 4: you don't have to sit through all the news. Nobody

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01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 4: sets through TV one news anymore, do we unless we're

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Speaker 4: dead on the couch. Put it on your phone, put

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Speaker 4: a twenty to seven timer and then tune in and

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Speaker 4: watch that and let me know what you think.

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Speaker 7: Pretty well, go to YouTube.

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Speaker 4: All that obviously, all that headlines next, whether.

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Speaker 1: It's macro microbe or just plain economics, it's all on

1831
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Speaker 1: the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Mass Insurance

1832
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 1: and investments, Grow your wealth, Protect your future, use talks.

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Speaker 2: End me.

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Speaker 7: You see.

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Speaker 4: Whether I hope you don't lose your job after Pativian's

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Speaker 4: ad News comment about being dead on the couch. But

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Speaker 4: I'm with you one hundred percent. D don't worry about

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Speaker 4: I don't think.

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Speaker 7: I don't think.

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Speaker 4: Nowadays we get fired from being honest about our viewing preferences.

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Speaker 4: Do you know that even ever happened? Apple has given

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Speaker 4: us an insight into how much the tariffs are going

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01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 4: to cost the company. By the way, today a report

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Speaker 4: of the first quarter profit for the company was above expectations,

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Speaker 4: but has warned watch out because the US tariffs are

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Speaker 4: going to cost about one point five billion New Zealand

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Speaker 4: dollars just in this quarter that we're in at the moment,

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Speaker 4: second quarter. And that's even though Apple's products are exempt.

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Speaker 4: So it just gives you an indication of how big

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Speaker 4: this is. Twenty four away from seven and with us

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Speaker 4: right now is Peter lewis ow Asia Business correspondent, Hey

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Speaker 4: Peter Hi header, So is China going to negotiate with

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Speaker 4: the US.

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Speaker 19: Well, there was a very important statement which came out

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Speaker 19: of the Ministry of Commerce this morning. What it basically

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Speaker 19: said was that China's noted the repeated statements from senior

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Speaker 19: US officials expressing a willingness to negotiate with China, and

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Speaker 19: they say, at the same time, if the US really

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Speaker 19: wants to talk, it should demonstrate sincerity by what it

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Speaker 19: calls addressing its wrong practices, basically removing all the tariffs

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Speaker 19: and imposed on China. Now this is new because it

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01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:53,800
Speaker 19: does signal at last that maybe there is some sort

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Speaker 19: of flexibility here that could lead to a path to negotiations.

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Speaker 19: China wants to save face. What's absolutely important here is

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Speaker 19: it doesn't want to show that it moved first. It

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Speaker 19: wants to show that the US is basically sort of

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Speaker 19: given in first of all, because this is very important

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Speaker 19: to Jugenpin, because he's getting a lot of domestic support

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Speaker 19: from the hard stance that is showing towards the US

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Speaker 19: and the sort of a country is sort of in

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Speaker 19: united behind this. So where we're really at here is

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Speaker 19: it's sort of there are negotiations going on about having negotiations,

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Speaker 19: and this could take some time because China clearly wants

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Speaker 19: to see some sort of lowering of the tarott. So

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Speaker 19: I don't think Donald Trump is going to cave completely

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Speaker 19: and remove all tarots of China, but there's going to

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Speaker 19: have to be some reduction in those tarots before the

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Speaker 19: negotiations could start. But this could still take many weeks

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Speaker 19: and many months because China doesn't do business like President

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Speaker 19: Trump does. What Trump wants to do is he wants

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Speaker 19: to have a meeting with Eugenping, they have this full

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01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 19: discussion about all the issues, and then sign on this

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01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 19: big deal. Now there's no way that China.

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Speaker 2: Will do that.

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Speaker 19: First of all, it's far too risky for Jijiping because

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Speaker 19: you know what happens if there's a big misunderstanding or worse,

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Speaker 19: no agreement at all at the end of this meeting,

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Speaker 19: then he will look very foolish. So the way they

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01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 19: do businesses they have middle ranking diplomats meeting. They will

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Speaker 19: discuss all the me new type of the agreement, all

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Speaker 19: the details. They will all be thrashed out first, and

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Speaker 19: then there will be a meeting in somewhere nice like

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Speaker 19: Ballei where this is all signed off. So a long

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01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:48,040
Speaker 19: way to go, but nevertheless, there is some flexibility here,

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Speaker 19: and China is showing that it's interested in having some

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Speaker 19: sort of negotiation.

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Speaker 4: So I noticed the other day that China had urged

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Speaker 4: a whole bunch of them, basically every other country out

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01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 4: there to resist the bully Trump. Now, why do they

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01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:05,680
Speaker 4: seriously think that they are going to be able to

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01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 4: sort of like rally a group of nations to go

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01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 4: up against Trump.

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Speaker 19: Well, their big fear is that other nations could in

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01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 19: cutting their deals with the US. And we know that

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01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:20,720
Speaker 19: South Korea, Japan, India and so on are all negotiating

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01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 19: with the US to get these reciprocal tariffs down, that

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01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:28,080
Speaker 19: there will be some sort of agreement about making sure

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Speaker 19: that they don't do certain types of business with China,

1909
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 19: don't facilitate China getting around these tariffs by doing business

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01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 19: through third countries like Vietnam and elsewhere. And this is

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Speaker 19: a big worry of China that they could end up

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Speaker 19: being cut out of business from some of these other nations.

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Speaker 19: Now I think that's unlikely to happen because most countries

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Speaker 19: don't want to get caught between the two. I mean

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Speaker 19: companies like countries like South Korea, Japan. Their biggest trading

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01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 19: nation is China, it's not the US, So they don't

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Speaker 19: want to be forced into a position where they have

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Speaker 19: to make a choice between the US and China, and

1919
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 19: they for sure, we'll try and resist that, but it

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Speaker 19: is nevertheless a fear of Beijing that this could happen.

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Speaker 4: What are the chances I got? I mean, Trump's is

1922
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:19,519
Speaker 4: he's very close to cutting deals with those three countries

1923
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Speaker 4: you named, India, South Korea, and Japan. What are chances

1924
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Speaker 4: do you think he's being honest?

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Speaker 19: You well, I think he underestimates what a trade deal means.

1926
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Speaker 19: I mean, if you look at deals in the past,

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01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:33,560
Speaker 19: they take years to negotiate, and in fact, you know,

1928
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:36,240
Speaker 19: the EU in India has been trying to negotiate a

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Speaker 19: trade deal for over a decade now. They are very

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Speaker 19: complicated things to do. All you can do, I think

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Speaker 19: in a couple of months is have a very very

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Speaker 19: broad outline of maybe some trading principles between the two countries.

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Speaker 19: But I think in this case, even here is going

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Speaker 19: to be a lot more difficult than maybe Trump thinks,

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Speaker 19: because Trump's view on trade is that there's not a

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Speaker 19: way in which both sides can win when and there

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Speaker 19: are deals that you could do where there are benefits

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Speaker 19: for both sides. But Trump sees it as very one sided.

1939
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Speaker 19: There's a winner and there's a loser, and therefore the

1940
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Speaker 19: US must be the winner, and therefore other countries, in

1941
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Speaker 19: particular China must be the loser. So when you go

1942
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Speaker 19: into a trade negotiation with that sort of attitude, I

1943
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Speaker 19: think it's very hard to come up with any sort

1944
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Speaker 19: of concrete trade deal that's meaningful.

1945
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Speaker 4: At the end of that, Peter, it's always good to

1946
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Speaker 4: talk to you. I really appreciated. That's Peter Lewis, our

1947
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Speaker 4: Asia Business correspondent with US out of Hong Kong to

1948
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Speaker 4: the UK elections. So there's local elections underway right, four

1949
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Speaker 4: mayoral candidates, four mayoral races have been declared. Doncaster's gone

1950
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Speaker 4: to labor, North Time Side's gone to labor, West of

1951
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:53,400
Speaker 4: England's gone to labor. But Greater Lincolnshire. Reform and get

1952
01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:57,000
Speaker 4: a load of these numbers council seats, council results, Reform

1953
01:29:57,400 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 4: seventy seven councilors, Conservative thirty even councilors, Labor eleven counselors.

1954
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Speaker 4: How nuts does that reform push a little bit of

1955
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 4: a wake up call to a lot of people over there.

1956
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Speaker 4: We can talk to Gavin Gray about it and just detect.

1957
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Speaker 4: But just on our local body elections, not elections, just

1958
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Speaker 4: local bodies. I've got an example of a council that

1959
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Speaker 4: I suspect, certainly, in the telling of the story, in

1960
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Speaker 4: the way that it's been told, has behaved like uselessly

1961
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Speaker 4: as per usual. There is a farmer in Kinlock called

1962
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Speaker 4: Tom Power whose paddocks are flooded. I mean, this sounds

1963
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 4: like the start of a rhyme, doesn't it. There is

1964
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Speaker 4: a farmer in Kinlock, Tom Power, whose paddocks are flooded

1965
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Speaker 4: because of the rain this week to the extent, and

1966
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Speaker 4: this is where the poem stops, to the extent that

1967
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Speaker 4: he will not be able to use his paddocks until October,

1968
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Speaker 4: which is what six months away. Here reckons what happened?

1969
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Speaker 4: Has he told christ Huge City Council on Thursday before

1970
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:49,760
Speaker 4: the rain started going like mental? He goes to them

1971
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:51,720
Speaker 4: on Thursday says, can you open the lake to the

1972
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 4: sea to prevent the flooding of my paddocks? And you know,

1973
01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:58,200
Speaker 4: because even if you open the lake to the sea,

1974
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:00,479
Speaker 4: there will be some flooding it will not be the

1975
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 4: end of the world. But if you do not open

1976
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:03,760
Speaker 4: the lake, it will be bad flooding and I will

1977
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:05,320
Speaker 4: not be able to use my paddocks for six months.

1978
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 4: And this is the thing that they can do. They

1979
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 4: have done it before. I think they did it last year.

1980
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Speaker 4: But this time on Thursday, the Council did not listen

1981
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:14,000
Speaker 4: to Tom Power. They did not open the lake to

1982
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Speaker 4: the sea, and now his paddocks are flooded and you

1983
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:17,680
Speaker 4: want to see the state of it. It is a

1984
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:21,479
Speaker 4: complete Nutter disaster. So the news media have gone to

1985
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:23,760
Speaker 4: the Council and the council Head of Three Waters, Gavin

1986
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 4: Hutchinson said diggers are now on site and they're going

1987
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Speaker 4: to open the lake as soon as there was an

1988
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Speaker 4: appropriate weather window. So I'm assuming could have done it

1989
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Speaker 4: on Thursday or thereabouts to help Tom out. But now

1990
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Speaker 4: the rains come and flooded as paddocks and now you're

1991
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Speaker 4: going to do it, eh kil sixteen away from seven.

1992
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Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business Hour

1993
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Speaker 1: with Heather Duplicy Ellen and Mass Insurance and investments, grow

1994
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Speaker 1: your wealth, protect your future.

1995
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Speaker 2: These talks that be.

1996
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Speaker 4: Hither the Council were too busy working from home to

1997
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Speaker 4: open the gate. Jeez, you know what. I I hope

1998
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Speaker 4: that's just a quip about councilors and public servants working

1999
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Speaker 4: from home, but I would believe anything these days. Thirty

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Speaker 4: away from seven Gevin Gray are UK correspondents with Uskevin, Hello.

2001
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Speaker 3: Hither the header?

2002
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Speaker 7: Wow?

2003
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:12,320
Speaker 4: What about Reform?

2004
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:13,840
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2005
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:14,760
Speaker 6: What a night?

2006
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Speaker 3: Perhaps not as good as they might have been hoping.

2007
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:20,919
Speaker 3: But of all the votes that took part on Thursday,

2008
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 3: that's some local councils and mayoral election. There was also

2009
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:28,000
Speaker 3: the by election to replace a former Labor MP the

2010
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:32,120
Speaker 3: party of Government who had been convicted for assaulting a

2011
01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:38,400
Speaker 3: constituent at night, and the Reform Party, Nigel Faraj's party

2012
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:41,759
Speaker 3: has won that. Now, for those who can't quite remember,

2013
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:44,560
Speaker 3: Nigel Pharaohs was kind of the man that made the

2014
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:47,920
Speaker 3: then government hold the vote to the referendum on Brexit.

2015
01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:52,479
Speaker 3: He has spearheaded this and last night his party, which

2016
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:58,000
Speaker 3: was formed only in twenty eighteen, has now succeeded in

2017
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Speaker 3: gaining a fifth MP, and this MP is a former

2018
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:06,240
Speaker 3: Conservative councilor so across the board Reform UK. This new

2019
01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:09,160
Speaker 3: party has been taking seats from the current party of

2020
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:13,640
Speaker 3: government Labor the former party of government Conservative and this

2021
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:20,160
Speaker 3: dramatic win was by none more than six votes, quite extraordinary,

2022
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:26,240
Speaker 3: the closest election result since nineteen seventy three, and in

2023
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:31,400
Speaker 3: it the new candidate, the new MP, said enough Conservative failure,

2024
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:35,800
Speaker 3: enough Labor lies. The party has promised to try and

2025
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:40,320
Speaker 3: get net migration down to zero. In the last two years,

2026
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:44,960
Speaker 3: net migration into the UK has been one point six million.

2027
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Speaker 4: Now, Gavin taking council seats, which seems impressive at the minute,

2028
01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:52,080
Speaker 4: is one thing, but what does this actually mean for

2029
01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:53,880
Speaker 4: central government? Are I hoping to sort of build a

2030
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:56,559
Speaker 4: base in springboard from there and really grow what they're

2031
01:33:56,600 --> 01:33:57,320
Speaker 4: doing in Parliament.

2032
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Speaker 3: I think they're hoping to show that they are a

2033
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:04,000
Speaker 3: credible threat, and because at the moment, you know, people

2034
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:06,960
Speaker 3: know that zero net migration policy, but what else? What

2035
01:34:07,080 --> 01:34:09,679
Speaker 3: economic policies do they stand for? Now? I cover lots

2036
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 3: of politics and I'm not that sure what those policies are.

2037
01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:15,160
Speaker 3: So I think they're hoping to build a credible base

2038
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:17,600
Speaker 3: on which when the next election is called, they are

2039
01:34:17,680 --> 01:34:20,960
Speaker 3: hoping people are sick of the current Labor government, don't

2040
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 3: trust the Conservatives the former government, and will turn to

2041
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Speaker 3: them for some kind of assistance we will see.

2042
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Speaker 4: Do you believe I mean, if you look at the situation,

2043
01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:32,719
Speaker 4: it's one thing to do really well in an election

2044
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:34,519
Speaker 4: and then the next election you drop off again. Do

2045
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:36,640
Speaker 4: you believe that they've got something that lasts here?

2046
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:41,360
Speaker 3: I think the way that the current government are going

2047
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:45,840
Speaker 3: in that according to Nigel Pharaohs, you know, you vote Labor,

2048
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:49,160
Speaker 3: you get conservative. In other words, it's a continuation of

2049
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:52,080
Speaker 3: the same old stuff. And I think unless that feeling

2050
01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:57,120
Speaker 3: is broken, I can see further gains by the Reform

2051
01:34:57,280 --> 01:35:00,400
Speaker 3: UK party. But you're right these by elections coming they're

2052
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:03,680
Speaker 3: often a protest vote, you know, and there have been

2053
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 3: some stories coming out about Reform UK candidates that haven't

2054
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:11,040
Speaker 3: been properly assessed and reviewed. So I think if they

2055
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:14,040
Speaker 3: manage not to have any scandals and Labor the current

2056
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:17,560
Speaker 3: party of government, don't make any impressive improvements on the

2057
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:21,120
Speaker 3: economy and on migration, then yeah, I can see it growing.

2058
01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:24,880
Speaker 4: Wow Okay, yeah, So what transgender women no longer able

2059
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:26,280
Speaker 4: to play in women's football in England?

2060
01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:29,320
Speaker 3: Yes, quite a shock list. So we had the Supreme

2061
01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:31,560
Speaker 3: Court ruling in the middle of April which said that

2062
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:35,280
Speaker 3: the legal definition of a woman is based on biological sex.

2063
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:39,520
Speaker 3: It has caused a massive argument here and now transgender

2064
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:42,320
Speaker 3: women are going to be no longer allowed to play

2065
01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:45,840
Speaker 3: women's football from the first of June. There are fewer

2066
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:49,840
Speaker 3: than thirty transgender women registered among millions of amateur players,

2067
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:54,639
Speaker 3: but this has now sent shock waves around sport. Currently

2068
01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:59,400
Speaker 3: the rules are for the Football Association. Transgender women can

2069
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:03,639
Speaker 3: PARTI if they meet criteria providing medical records that their

2070
01:36:03,680 --> 01:36:06,960
Speaker 3: testosterone levels have been below prescribed levels for twelve months

2071
01:36:07,160 --> 01:36:09,719
Speaker 3: and provide a record of hormone therapy and an annual

2072
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:12,680
Speaker 3: review of treatment. That's all being scrapped. And you look

2073
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:15,400
Speaker 3: now at other sports, and just in the last few

2074
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:20,799
Speaker 3: days now athletics, cycling, aquatics, netball all announcing their banning

2075
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:24,760
Speaker 3: transgender women, other sports announcing they are reviewing it and

2076
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:29,840
Speaker 3: reassessing it and as well and these rules of course

2077
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:33,840
Speaker 3: all sorts of questions about exactly where the transgender people

2078
01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:37,280
Speaker 3: belong in their own sports, in their own categories. That's

2079
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:39,120
Speaker 3: a difficult question for everyone to answer.

2080
01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:40,960
Speaker 4: Kevin, good to talk to you, thank you for your time.

2081
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:43,759
Speaker 4: That's Devin Gray, are UK correspondent nine away from seven.

2082
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Speaker 1: It's the hitherto per see Alan Drive Full Show podcast

2083
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:51,080
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2084
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Speaker 4: Jeez, this is going back to something I see it

2085
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:55,960
Speaker 4: ages go hither. How late were you on your wedding day?

2086
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:59,400
Speaker 4: Thirty minutes is okay, but later is rude. Mas I

2087
01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:02,200
Speaker 4: don't know. I had some champagne. It was probably thirty

2088
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:04,320
Speaker 4: minutes late. I might have been more. It doesn't take

2089
01:37:04,360 --> 01:37:06,920
Speaker 4: a lot to make Sir Bob get very cross with you.

2090
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:09,880
Speaker 4: He's very short tempered because he you know, because you're

2091
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:12,200
Speaker 4: in you're wealthy, everything kind of just revolves around you.

2092
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:16,439
Speaker 4: So probably got angry very early on. To be honest

2093
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:19,479
Speaker 4: with you, I wouldn't be surprised. Hey, quick shout out

2094
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:23,320
Speaker 4: to Mainfreight always impressive and impressive again today stock is

2095
01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:26,280
Speaker 4: up twelve percent today, which means it's basically almost back

2096
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:28,040
Speaker 4: to where it was when the tariff news hit its

2097
01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:30,479
Speaker 4: share price, and that's because it expects it announced it

2098
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:32,920
Speaker 4: expects that its full year profit and full year revenue

2099
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:34,760
Speaker 4: figures will be higher than expected. So there we go

2100
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:37,360
Speaker 4: there doing well. And also shout out on the dwelling

2101
01:37:37,439 --> 01:37:41,240
Speaker 4: consents because we're doing well. We've had so many dwelling

2102
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:43,720
Speaker 4: consents issued in March. That is basically ten percent up

2103
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:46,120
Speaker 4: from February, which is the highest we've had in about

2104
01:37:46,160 --> 01:37:49,240
Speaker 4: two years. And it is sixteen percent up on the year,

2105
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:51,280
Speaker 4: which is about the highest we've had in three years.

2106
01:37:51,479 --> 01:37:53,439
Speaker 4: And that's pretty good. In Otago's leading the charge with

2107
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:55,800
Speaker 4: fifty five percent increase in the consent. So whatever you're

2108
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:59,000
Speaker 4: building down there, keep going, right. Are you playing some

2109
01:37:59,040 --> 01:37:59,840
Speaker 4: country music ants?

2110
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:03,599
Speaker 14: No, No, I'm playing something that is not country music

2111
01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:05,800
Speaker 14: at all. Edge hearing I hear, and I was trying

2112
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:06,960
Speaker 14: to I was trying to work out how I could

2113
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:08,760
Speaker 14: tie its hearing into country music, and I just came

2114
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:09,280
Speaker 14: up with nothing.

2115
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:10,759
Speaker 4: So why are you doing its hearing?

2116
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:13,679
Speaker 14: Because it's brand new. This song is called old Phone.

2117
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:16,400
Speaker 14: The new album will be called Play. He's releasing it

2118
01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:18,040
Speaker 14: on the twelfth of September. This is the first one

2119
01:38:18,120 --> 01:38:20,799
Speaker 14: that's not named after a mathematical sign, because he'd basically

2120
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:21,599
Speaker 14: been through all of those.

2121
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:23,519
Speaker 4: So now he put it up. Let's see who it

2122
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:24,080
Speaker 4: sounds like.

2123
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:28,120
Speaker 13: Could you tell the difference from early.

2124
01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:31,799
Speaker 2: Marks?

2125
01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:34,880
Speaker 4: Still hard me? It just sounds like it's hearing, doesn't it.

2126
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:37,040
Speaker 4: This time he's ripped himself for anthy.

2127
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Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean to be fair, people like it. This

2128
01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:41,040
Speaker 14: is going to be it's more of the same.

2129
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:41,840
Speaker 7: People are gonna like it.

2130
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:43,800
Speaker 4: You're not going to get a pay rise this year

2131
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:46,720
Speaker 4: because you had the perfect opportunity to cross promote here

2132
01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:50,599
Speaker 4: because today we launched a country music station, iHeart Country

2133
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:53,240
Speaker 4: New Zealand, which is launching next Friday. I haven't even

2134
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:55,120
Speaker 4: been paid for this. Nobody's told me I have.

2135
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:56,040
Speaker 7: To die, not yet.

2136
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Speaker 14: But you're right. You know, like when they're panning out

2137
01:38:58,280 --> 01:39:01,000
Speaker 14: pay rise that I played, they played each shearing and

2138
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:01,720
Speaker 14: then you get get and.

2139
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Speaker 4: I'll be like, I had to talk over each hearing

2140
01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:05,519
Speaker 4: about country music because Ants totally didn't get it. But

2141
01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:08,280
Speaker 4: it's it's launching next Friday. And the reason it's going

2142
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:10,360
Speaker 4: to have, you know, Luke Combs and Morgan Wollen and

2143
01:39:10,439 --> 01:39:12,439
Speaker 4: Katie Bell and stuff. And the reason I'm telling you

2144
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:15,280
Speaker 4: this is because when I mentioned it to Laura and Ants,

2145
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:17,920
Speaker 4: they both cringed at country music and they hate it.

2146
01:39:18,680 --> 01:39:19,240
Speaker 4: They hate it.

2147
01:39:19,720 --> 01:39:22,560
Speaker 7: It's very controversial. Yeah, yeah, okay, I was.

2148
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Speaker 14: I was just trying to think that whether you were

2149
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:26,360
Speaker 14: misrepresenting our position there, but no, you're right, it's not.

2150
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Speaker 4: For us and yet so hear from you who hates

2151
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:31,320
Speaker 4: country music? You've played us each hearing.

2152
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Speaker 14: But to be fair, I'm not a huge fan of

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Speaker 14: Eadcheron either. A couple that the album we did with

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Speaker 14: yellow Wolf back in the day.

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Speaker 8: I like that one.

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Speaker 14: But other than that note bar, it's not about me heither,

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Speaker 14: it's about the audience. And if they're not listening to

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Speaker 14: the iHeart Country Show, they've been hearing some mid chearing

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Speaker 14: with us.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what?

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Speaker 4: You were going to get a pay rise this year

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Speaker 4: just because you have to put up with me? So

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Speaker 4: then nothing else?

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Speaker 17: Who?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, enjoy your weekend and I'll see you on Monday,

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Speaker 4: and good will come from requid.

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Speaker 13: You can't say with my dad friends, That's the gist

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Speaker 13: from all my excess, I kind of think that this

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Speaker 13: was best left. They're in the past where it belongs.

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Speaker 13: I feeling all bewhelming inside that.

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Speaker 4: Of all the friends I.

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Speaker 13: Do not have left, seeing I'm a family, he has fractions.

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Speaker 2: Moving up and moving on.

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Speaker 1: My own phone today For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive,

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