1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Time for politics Wednesday. Jinny Anderson as well us along 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: with Mike Mitchell. 3 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning, Mike, Good morning both. 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: Now, Jinny, are you sending a bit down? 5 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 2: Ginny? 6 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: Something gone wrong this morning? What's happened there? 7 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 3: No? 8 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 4: I'm good right, I've had my coffee. 9 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: The story. How many in the morning do you have? 10 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 4: Only trying to have one? 11 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 3: I'm rather hyperactive already, so I keep it to two 12 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 3: and not anymore after one o'clock in the afternoon. 13 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, very wise. What about you, Matt Well? 14 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 5: I admire Jenny because at the end of the day, 15 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 5: when you wake up in the morning and realize you're in. 16 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: The Labor Party, have you done that much? 17 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 4: You wake up and thank you for the Labor Party? 18 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 4: That's delusional. 19 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: Imagine if you wake up in the morning mark too much? 20 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 4: Too much more than a bloody coffee to Copravetta. 21 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: I reckon, Now, Ginny, do you believe Kiaren macinaughty when 22 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: he doesn't want to be the leader of the party? 23 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 4: I do, Indeed I did to. 24 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 3: Karen is a great guy, but he does not have 25 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 3: leadership ambitions, even though the media love to. 26 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 4: Keep asking him there. He simply does not. 27 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: Exactly I believe him. 28 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 4: That is word. 29 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: I believe him, and I believe Barbara Edmonds when she 30 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: says it's never going to happen. So the question then 31 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,559 Speaker 1: is what about you, Jennie, Do you have leadership aspirations? 32 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: Who's going to replace Chippy? 33 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 4: Absolutely not me. 34 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 3: No, I'm very happy with my life the way it is. 35 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 3: I very much enjoy the areas I work in, and 36 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 3: I love working as part of a great team. So no, 37 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 3: I have no ambition in saying. 38 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: Okay, So the fifty four percent you think you should stay, 39 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: that's probably fair because I wonder, and I wonder if 40 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: you can answer this question apolitically. Is part of the 41 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: reason he's still there, apart from the fact he probably 42 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: wants to be there, is that you don't have anybody 43 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: obvious to replace him when the time comes. 44 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 3: My view is that he is the best one for 45 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 3: the job. When you see him and question time yesterday, 46 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 3: when you see how quick he is on his feet 47 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 3: and how able he is in the house and to 48 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 3: respond to issues and to know where to take us next, 49 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 3: He's the only one really in our with those skills 50 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 3: and ability any experience. Well, Mark's had a couple of 51 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 3: cracks himself at running for leaderships and he's failed on those, 52 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 3: So maybe he would give us some better advice on 53 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 3: what it's like to have a crack. 54 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: Well, aren't you dominating the segment, Jinny, because I seem 55 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: to have got my question line all muddled up here 56 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: this morning. But as as a local MP, should somebody 57 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: do something about Wellington Council? 58 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 3: Look, it does seem to be problematic in terms of 59 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 3: some of those decisions and the way they've gone. I 60 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 3: really do think though the way that Simeon and Luxon 61 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 3: have reacted, that this is kind of distraction politics. It's 62 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 3: just not at that level yet of having to put 63 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 3: in a commissioner or do total or when you think 64 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 3: about Gore and there the young mea down there, I 65 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 3: mean that even never got close to that, even though 66 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 3: all that. 67 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's because it's not the capital. 68 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 3: Yes, but I don't it's not at that point anywhere near. 69 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 3: And my my thoughts are the reason why they're stirring 70 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 3: this up is because there's no theories and everyone's here 71 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 3: is really annoyed that still one decided, not no decision, 72 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 3: and there's no decision taken on there. And I still 73 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 3: think this is distraction politics to take people's attention. 74 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: Mar okay, fair enough, and Mark, you are wealthy? I 75 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: am led to believe this is correct. 76 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,399 Speaker 5: Well, it's all relative. I mean, I've got a big mortgage. 77 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: Have you got how many towers? Has you got? 78 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 4: That's what it says on the pecuniary interesting that. 79 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: You've got to have you been reading the pecuniary interest 80 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: list again. 81 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:34,679 Speaker 2: I'm telling you what she stalks me. 82 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: There's no doubt how you got how many does you 83 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: How many do you have? 84 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: I've got seven properties, I've got. 85 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: Event Sorry sorry, Okay, So you're you're comparatively speaking wealthy? 86 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: Is it important? Because I just can't get past the 87 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: subsession we seem to have in this country that Luxeon's 88 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: got a couple of flats. He's trying to fleck off 89 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: and suddenly he's out of touch. And how the two 90 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: correlate or joined together because you're wealthier than Luxan is 91 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: my guess. And we don't seem to care about that. 92 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, for me, just from a young guy, 93 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 5: when I first joined the police at twenty, I just 94 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 5: saved hard and I decided that I wanted to invest 95 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 5: my money and property and that's been over thirty years. 96 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 2: But you know, I still have mortgages. 97 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 5: I still have to I still have to worry about 98 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,799 Speaker 5: servicing those I've been hit like everyone else with interest 99 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 5: rates rises. 100 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 2: And those sorts of issues. 101 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 5: Everyone will make their own decisions in terms of how 102 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 5: they save and how they plan for the future. Mine 103 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 5: has been through property. I don't have shares, I don't 104 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 5: have anything else. It's just quite simply being properly. 105 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, but are you out of touch because you're wealthy? 106 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 5: No, absolutely not, and I don't. And look, this is 107 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 5: just to me, this is the most stupid debate that 108 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 5: we have in this country. What is the message that 109 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 5: we're sending to our kids. I spent ten years in 110 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 5: the Middle East, where they celebrated success, they helped people up, 111 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 5: they wanted to see them successful. In New Zealand, for 112 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 5: some reason, we've still got this tall poppy syndrome. We 113 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 5: you cut people off at the knees because they want 114 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 5: to be successful, they work hard. 115 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 4: I'd like to speak to it. 116 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 3: I don't think there's anything wrong with working hard, saving 117 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 3: and doing well. And you know, when I was a 118 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 3: waitress we can countdown and a waitress fro When I 119 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 3: was fifteen and when I was nineteen, I bought a 120 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 3: house on my own, so and that's helped set me up. 121 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 3: And so we believe as a party that you should 122 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 3: be able to work hard and save up and buy 123 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 3: a house and do well. The problem with Luxen as 124 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 3: he sees things like I'm rich and I'm sorted, or 125 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 3: I don't care, and then it's just let me finish, 126 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 3: let me finish. 127 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 4: It's those words. It's those words. 128 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 3: At a time when New Zealanders are spending heaps on 129 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 3: red and groceries and they're really struggling and they're looking 130 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 3: for a leader for some hope or some inspiration, and 131 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 3: all he talks about is his own comfortableness. And that's smart. 132 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 3: That hurts, and so that's the point. He's rubbing it. 133 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 3: It feels like he's rubbing and that he's got more 134 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 3: than what. 135 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 2: Let me address it. 136 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 5: Not once does he ever raise or talk about his 137 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 5: own personal situation. 138 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 2: Jenny. It's when you raise it, when you get stories 139 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 2: in the media. 140 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 4: Media. 141 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 5: I just said that all in these stories in the 142 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 5: media about it. So he doesn't talk about it all. 143 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: Does he need to let me put it on? 144 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 4: He talked about being a businessman all the. 145 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: Time he does talk about that. Let me ask you 146 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: this in that case is successful? No, no, no, I get that. 147 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: Let me ask you Mark, let me ask you this 148 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: elbow yesterday buys a four point something million dollar house 149 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: and he's he's taking the same heat at the moment 150 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: that luxe and is for for whatever reason, do you 151 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: need to be smarter about it? In other words, rightly 152 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,799 Speaker 1: or wrongly, if you're going to be the prime minister 153 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: of this country, you can't float wealth, be seen to 154 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: be wealthy in any way, shape or form, or you know, 155 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: what do you do about it? I mean, you can't. 156 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: Fifty one percent think he's out of touch. 157 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 2: Now. 158 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: The problem with that is that's real. 159 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, And as Kiwi's neaturally, as part of who we are, 160 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 5: as Kiwi's we don't form that sort of stuff. 161 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 2: We don't. 162 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 5: We're not out there talking about it all the time. 163 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 5: There's the odd person is but and he doesn't do that. 164 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 5: But what we should be doing a key he's is 165 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 5: especially for our kids, we should be encouraging them to 166 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 5: get a good education and to aspire to do well 167 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 5: in life, to work hard and to do well in life, 168 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 5: and not continue to see to send a message that 169 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 5: if you do well in life, you're going to get pillared, 170 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 5: You're going to get attacked, and you're going to get 171 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 5: criticized for it. 172 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: See this is where I felt. Jenny the Two says 173 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: he doesn't come he doesn't come from. And here's the 174 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: interesting thing, Jenny, I find Key got away with it, 175 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: and Key was wealthier than anybody, and he's seemed to 176 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: get away with it. But Luxon's being picked on. And 177 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: I just can't work out why your argument would be 178 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: because he goes I'm rich and I'm sorted. 179 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 4: It's because he's not genuine about it. He doesn't seem 180 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 4: like he. 181 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 3: Cares about New Zealanders and it doesn't help for him 182 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 3: saying I don't care. So people feel like he just 183 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 3: wants the top job, to say he's done it and 184 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 3: take a box. He's not there for the people. And 185 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 3: the guy in the coffee cart at the Hut market 186 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 3: said it to me, who's a voter National and voted 187 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 3: Labor in the past. 188 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 4: He said, it feels like. 189 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 3: They don't care about me. They just care about their mates, 190 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 3: and that's the impression he's giving to New Zealanders. 191 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 2: Well, well, I just completely reject that. 192 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 5: I mean, of course, he's got lots of options in 193 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 5: terms of what he could do, but I'll tell you 194 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 5: what he is. 195 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 2: He's out there. 196 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,239 Speaker 5: Working twelve hour days, slogan's guts out, making hard decisions 197 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 5: that the previous government weren't prepared to make to get 198 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 5: us as a country on a better track. I've got 199 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 5: huge admiration for him. I've got hom in the provise 200 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 5: position that I get to work with him every day. 201 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 5: He is an outstanding man. When people meet him, they 202 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 5: left with that impression. 203 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: But you know, here's problem. 204 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 2: Here's your problem, Mark Trade through the media. 205 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: Here's your problem. No, no, no, here's your problem. That 206 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: line was used at the very start of his campaign, 207 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: which was we haven't met him. We don't know him. 208 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: When you meet him, you like him. I think he's 209 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: met everybody, because you can't fault him for not working hard. 210 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: But at fifty one percent, the media is entitled after 211 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: a poll to goo the majority because it is don't 212 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: think he's in touch, and that, politically rightly or wrongly, 213 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: is a problem, isn't it. 214 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 5: Well, at the end of the day, people are going 215 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 5: to form their own views. I mean, that is politics, 216 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 5: But the reality is This is that even though he 217 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 5: is busy and is around the country, has been with 218 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 5: me and Dneed recently, he's still only meeting a very 219 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 5: small percentage of kiwis because it's just physically impossible to 220 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 5: get him in front of everyone. But I would say 221 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,359 Speaker 5: if you went round and spoke to people that he's 222 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 5: One of the biggest challenges with Chris is getting him 223 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 5: away from people because he's actually interested. 224 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 2: He wants to listen to them. 225 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 5: Trying to get him to a next event and move 226 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 5: on something's virtually impossible because he's actually genuinely interested in keewis. 227 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 5: He wants to know their backstories, he wants to know 228 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:30,119 Speaker 5: how they're being impacted. 229 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 2: You know. 230 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 5: For the example, in Dunedin the other day we walked 231 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 5: through the airport, he stopped for twenty minutes. He was 232 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 5: talking to a young couple about the education and the 233 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 5: hair two children and what we're doing to make the changes. 234 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 5: You've got to remember that we've inherited a situation where 235 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 5: education is a mess, or public safety is a mess. 236 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 2: You know, the economy is a mess. 237 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: Which lot of things, Giny, let me put this to 238 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,719 Speaker 1: you is part of what Mark's saying. Correct Peter said 239 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: it yesterday. When you've had a honeymoon of one second 240 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: and you've got on the kind of the way they have. 241 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: That's why people don't necessarily like him, because he's not delivering. 242 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: There's something in that, isn't there. 243 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 3: Every other PM I have seen, and I can recall, 244 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 3: had some kind of a honeymoon period, had some kind 245 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 3: of a time where they were up high in the polls, 246 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 3: and he never got that. And I think it speaks 247 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 3: to something about either the way he appeals to New 248 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 3: Zealanders the way he comes across, but people don't warm 249 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 3: to him. He seems like he's out of touch, and 250 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 3: that's coming through a fifty one percent say that in 251 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 3: the polls. So it doesn't matter how many people he 252 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 3: talks to or how much he. 253 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 4: Says about there was a mess before. 254 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 3: If he really believes in personal responsibility, then he needs 255 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 3: to start owning up and taking responsibility for his own governments. 256 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 3: To say, and we still let me finish. 257 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 2: You had a big gosh. 258 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 4: He's still not. 259 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 2: Let me finish hospital pass from leave me. 260 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 3: Finished, Mark, that's not fair, you had a big go 261 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 3: He's still not taking responsibility and trying to pass the 262 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 3: buck and blame the last government. 263 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 4: Can we see through that and they think that he's 264 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 4: not real dead? 265 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: Gotta mutter, You guys appreciate a good discussion. 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