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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at b Start your weekend off the

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Speaker 1: right way. Saturday Morning with jackdam News Talks.

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Speaker 2: ATV chard and you seal a good morning. Welcome to

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Speaker 2: News Talks eDV. I'm Jack Tame with you through to

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Speaker 2: midday today. I reckon it's a bit of a dream job.

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Speaker 2: It's definitely in a category of dream jobs. The job

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Speaker 2: is to follow the best cyclists in the world. You're

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Speaker 2: traveling about two hundred and fifty days a year, which

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Speaker 2: left well, let's be honest, probably probably isn't quite as

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Speaker 2: glamorous as it sounds. And for the last twenty one years,

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Speaker 2: this guy has followed the Tour de France. He's a

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Speaker 2: chief mechanic for one of the top teams. His name

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Speaker 2: is Craig Geta and he's a key weep. He's involved

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Speaker 2: with our Olympic team as well. He's a selector. He

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Speaker 2: goes to all of the Olympics and once upon a

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Speaker 2: time he was Lance Armstrong's chief mechanic in the Tour

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Speaker 2: de France. He certainly got some stories there. Craig Geta

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Speaker 2: is going to be with us as our feature interview

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Speaker 2: right after ten o'clock this morning. I'm gonna have to

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Speaker 2: try and calm down so I don't fanboy too much.

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Speaker 2: And if you are looking to fuel yourself up for

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Speaker 2: a big bike ride this weekend, we have a recipe

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Speaker 2: to share with you before ten o'clock that I'm sure

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Speaker 2: is greater than the sum of its parts. And that's

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Speaker 2: saying something, because its parts are spectacular. A Tamarillo custed

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Speaker 2: Cake recipe. Yes, yes, yes, those three words Tamarillo, custed cake,

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Speaker 2: Tamarillo yes, custed yes cake. Yes. Please. We'll share that

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Speaker 2: recipe with you very shortly. Right now. It is eight

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Speaker 2: minutes past nine, Jack Team. In the end, it was

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Speaker 2: only a matter of time, right. It took a day

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Speaker 2: or two maybe of virality for the CEO Court cheating

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Speaker 2: in the now truly infamous Coldplay kiss cam to publicly

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Speaker 2: announce his departure from his company, and frankly, I'm surprised

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Speaker 2: it took much longer for the woman Court canoodling in

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Speaker 2: his arms to do the same thing. She was, after all,

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Speaker 2: the chief people officer, the head of HR for the

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Speaker 2: same company. And on top of what I can only

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Speaker 2: imagine is a personal calamity, the incident strikes me as

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Speaker 2: a fairly grave professional conflict of interest. Indeed, the company

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Speaker 2: that employed them both has now announced that she's gone too. Now,

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna pretend to be all high and mighty

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Speaker 2: with this, right, I certainly have not taken any high

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Speaker 2: moral ground or moral high ground. But like however, many

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Speaker 2: millions or tens of millions, or hundreds of millions or

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Speaker 2: billions of people around the world, I found myself titillated

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Speaker 2: by the video. It's just so dumb, It's so clumsy, right,

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Speaker 2: so perfect for a viral sensation. All that being said,

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Speaker 2: in the last few days, as the stories have continued,

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Speaker 2: I've also found myself thinking a bit more about what

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Speaker 2: the whole thing says about us more generally. Right, as

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Speaker 2: consumers and sharers of information on the internet, lolling, liking, sharing,

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Speaker 2: there's no way for us to collectively manage a degree

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Speaker 2: of proportionality when it comes to viral videos, and when

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Speaker 2: it comes to a viral screw up, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean, Like, they did the deed, and they can

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Speaker 2: suffer the consequences. You might argue, sure, But at the

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Speaker 2: same time, these people didn't commit a crime. They've been dishonest. Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: They've been unprofessional. Absolutely, But while I don't want to

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Speaker 2: be too much of a downer, I can only imagine

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Speaker 2: that right now it feels like the price they have

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Speaker 2: each paid is the complete and absolute destruction of their

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Speaker 2: entire lives. Okay, And even if you think that in

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Speaker 2: this instance they deserve the consequences, whatever they might be,

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Speaker 2: what's to say that you'll feel the same way the

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Speaker 2: next time someone goes viral. My point is just that

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Speaker 2: there's no controlling the wildfire, and once it's shared and

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Speaker 2: viral humiliation compounds faster than at any point in human history.

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Speaker 2: And you know what about their families? Would you want

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Speaker 2: to find out your husband or partner or parent was cheating?

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Speaker 2: Most of us might say yes, painful as it might be,

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Speaker 2: that truth in that situation is for the best. But

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Speaker 2: why if it meant a fifth of the world's population

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Speaker 2: every student at your kid's school knew what had happened

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Speaker 2: you might feel slightly differently. Again, I'm not being miserable

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Speaker 2: and saying it wasn't funny. It was funny, Okay. My

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Speaker 2: point is that once a moment like this hits the Internet,

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Speaker 2: there's just no controlling it. There's like a little sliver

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Speaker 2: of this whole saga that has felt a little bit

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Speaker 2: black mirror to me. It's funny. A few years ago

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Speaker 2: I read that amazing book by John Ronson, So You've

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Speaker 2: been Publicly Shamed It's called and it had some extraordinary

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Speaker 2: examples of people who had gone viral for saying or

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Speaker 2: kind of collective glee we take in casting someone aside

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Speaker 2: and making an example of them in public. There is

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Speaker 2: no policy, There is no force on earth that can

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Speaker 2: stop a viral moment. It just has to burn out, right,

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Speaker 2: there's no firebreak, there's no finger in the dike. That

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Speaker 2: video will have been viewed by eyeballs in every country

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Speaker 2: said just as much, are you not entertained? Jack Team

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Speaker 2: ninety two is our text number if you want to

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Speaker 2: get in touch this morning Jacket News Talks, he'db dot

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Speaker 2: code on NZ. All that being said, I did see

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Speaker 2: a headline somewhere who knows if this is true, And

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Speaker 2: this is kind of the point of it, all right,

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Speaker 2: that the CEO at the center of it was thinking

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Speaker 2: of suing Coldplay. If I can offer him any advice,

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Speaker 2: do not sue Coldplay.

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Speaker 3: Do not.

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Speaker 2: I think you'll find that the only salve you're gonna

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Speaker 2: get at this situation is just to let the whole

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Speaker 2: thing burn out and blow over. Do not breathe oxygen

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Speaker 2: into the fire. If you want to send us a

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Speaker 2: In a couple of minutes, we're going to get a

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Speaker 2: Sporto's thoughts on the Black Fern squad, that incredible omission

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Speaker 2: of Ruby to me and her remarkable response to that

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Speaker 2: news as well. Next up, though, Kevin Memnon will kick

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Speaker 2: us off for our Saturday together. It's fourteen minutes past nine.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jack Tame, It's Saturday morning, and this is news

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Speaker 2: Dog's ed Vy.

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Speaker 1: No better way to kick off your weekend with Jack.

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Speaker 4: Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Dogs.

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Speaker 2: V seventeen minutes past nine on New Dogs eDV. Get

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Speaker 2: a Jack voyeuristic titillation. We have developed a voracious appetite

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Speaker 2: for the ugly and of nane, says Anne. Great words,

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Speaker 2: and yeah, I can't disagree with that at all, Neil,

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Speaker 2: says Jack. Let he who is without sincast the first stone.

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Speaker 2: A Hypocrites abound. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure there are

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Speaker 2: plenty of hypocrites who have been delighting in it all.

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Speaker 2: I just I think what's amazing about the information age

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Speaker 2: is whereas in the past, you know, people of course

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Speaker 2: had you know, incidents in public in which they were shamed,

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Speaker 2: I mean, sometimes quite deliberately, sometimes as a purposeful punishment,

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Speaker 2: you know, being locked in the old stocks and pelted

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Speaker 2: with fruit and that kind of thing. But the thing

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Speaker 2: they kind of deserve it this time, what's to say

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Speaker 2: that the next time there's a viral moment where someone

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Speaker 2: message this morning, eighteen past nine, and Kevin Milne is

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Speaker 5: I remember a time in TV when if you're going

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Speaker 5: I'm thinking of race meetings where we used to go

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Speaker 5: people close enough so that they were recognizably at the meeting.

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Speaker 5: And I wonder what's happened to those sort of laws

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Speaker 5: you mentioned suing the producers of the show, or you

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Speaker 5: know about coldplay or whoever it is. Yeah, I wonder

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Speaker 5: whether there's any law about intrusion of that sort, because

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Speaker 5: I definitely remember on live show, on live coverage of

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Speaker 5: race meetings, for example, the cameras would stick very wide

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I think in New Zealand

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Speaker 2: we have like public space, you know, filming rules. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know in that video, having seen it a few

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Speaker 2: the video until the camera was turned on them, you know,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, but I also wonder if the you know,

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Speaker 2: the nature of us all having smartphones and cameras in

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Speaker 2: our pockets, powerful cameras in our pockets, has meant that actually,

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Speaker 2: you know, just generally privacy when it comes to videos

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Speaker 2: and that's all.

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Speaker 5: It is only just a bit of fun. And it's

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Speaker 5: sort of like a competition, isn't it really? You get

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Speaker 5: it at all the rugby matches, Yeah, couples together. But

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Speaker 5: it's it's a slightly it's a slightly dangerous practice.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a kind of fascinating anthropological exercise, this

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Speaker 2: whole thing. Anyway, Kevin, you're saddened by the closing of

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're becoming anewer, don't we. To the announcements of

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Speaker 5: Kiwi Enterprises closing down for reasons none other than the

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Speaker 5: trading environment's got too tough. But the businesses that are

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Speaker 5: backed as winners rather than losers. Restaurants for example, and

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Speaker 5: some of them. I'm sadden to hear that Madikan ceramics

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Speaker 5: firm Morrison James is calling it quits. We had three

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Speaker 5: of their huge outlaw pots and a bird bath with

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Speaker 5: Morrison James striking glaze all over them. I love their

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Speaker 5: ceramics because they haven't got made in China or made

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Speaker 5: them because there are no two that are exactly the same.

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Speaker 5: You might buy a pair that from a distance seems

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Speaker 5: the same, but they're not. They're made by artists, not machines.

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Speaker 5: Then there's the classy Morrison James metal stamp on them.

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Speaker 5: If you've got one, you'll know what I'm talking about,

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Speaker 5: proudly stating that they're from Matacana, New Zealand, which is

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Speaker 5: actually somewhere I've never been to. We buy online or

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Speaker 5: via our local furniture short store. It's been a phenomenal experience. Well,

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Speaker 5: it would be to walk through the Morrison James Northland factory.

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Speaker 5: We've only wandered through their website and that's uplifting enough,

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Speaker 5: and I recommend people do that. But once their current

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Speaker 5: they've left themselves a very slight out. I heard the

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Speaker 5: owners saying that if a generous investor were to decide

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Speaker 5: a wonderful bet of the country that happily keep its

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Speaker 5: colorful heart beating. I wholeheartedly recommend that if you like

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Speaker 5: color in your garden, at least by something online. Now

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Speaker 5: to remember Morrison James, as we found with the stunning

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Speaker 5: bird bath that I bought London for Christmas. Their work

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Speaker 5: arives at your doors, superbly packed. Who knows if enough

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Speaker 2: Two films to work through. Let's start off with Fantastic

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Speaker 2: four First Steps.

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Speaker 13: Wow, folks, we all know the story. Four brave astronauts

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Speaker 2: Right, Oh, mister Fantastic and Visible Woman, Human Torch and

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Speaker 14: So this is Fantastic four The First Steps. And everyone

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Speaker 11: I thought of it this film.

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Speaker 14: I walked out and thinking, gosh, I think I might

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Speaker 14: have been a bit tough on Superman. I said Superman

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Speaker 14: was good, and I said it was really fun. But actually,

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Speaker 14: maybe in contrast, if it hasn't from going now, it

432
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Speaker 14: was better than I thought, and it really was good fun. Look,

433
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Speaker 14: this is a bit of a restart to this franchise

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Speaker 14: from Marvel that the Fantastic Falls never really fired. They

435
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Speaker 14: do a really good introduction though, to these you know,

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Speaker 14: Marvel's first superhero team.

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Speaker 6: You heard it.

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Speaker 14: They're really simply they sort of whipped through the background.

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Speaker 14: We had this group of people that we went on

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Speaker 14: a space space mission. Something happened to them in space,

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Speaker 14: and they returned with altered DNA which gives them superpowers.

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Speaker 14: They now hold the world in check, who we all

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Speaker 14: look to to, you know, keep the world in order

444
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Speaker 14: and things. The art direction in this film was absolutely fantastic.

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Speaker 14: They go completely overboard trying to They absolutely nailed.

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Speaker 15: This retro sixties sci.

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Speaker 14: Fi look and I think that this gives this particular

448
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Speaker 14: film its own, this a frenchise, its own look, and

449
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Speaker 14: it feels really fresh and it's very cool. But another

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Speaker 14: part of me thought it sort of overwhelmed things a

451
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Speaker 14: little bit. The cast is really good. You've got Pedro

452
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Speaker 14: Pascal playing Red Richard's Vanessa Kirby as a storm. They're

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Speaker 14: a couple. They have wonderful chemistry. Joseph Quinn is playing

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Speaker 14: Johnny's Storm, and so this group of people come together

455
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Speaker 14: really well. They're like a family, the four of them.

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Speaker 14: Ebon Loss back rack. He also plays Ben Grimm. You

457
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Speaker 14: got this group of four, they're like a family. You've

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Speaker 14: got the two parents, and you've got these other two

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Speaker 14: adults who are kind of like the kids and the family,

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Speaker 14: so that the dynamics really good. Well, it just kind

461
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Speaker 14: of washed over me a little bit. In this particular film,

462
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Speaker 14: they're saving the Earth from a space god and who

463
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Speaker 14: looks like sort of some big sort of Mongolian sort

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Speaker 14: of warrior from many centuries ago. But I really kind

465
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Speaker 14: of I didn't really kind of relate to him. He

466
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Speaker 14: just wants to eat and gobble up. He was all

467
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Speaker 14: powerful and has this never ending hunger and he just

468
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Speaker 14: wants to eat planets and Earth is next. And he says,

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Speaker 14: he said, look, I won't need Earth. I won't destroy

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Speaker 14: the planet if you give me your firstborn. And this

471
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Speaker 14: is what he says to Read and Sue, and they

472
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Speaker 14: of course go, we don't really want to give you

473
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Speaker 14: our baby, and off we go trying to find a solution.

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Speaker 11: It's fun.

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Speaker 14: It's fun in the sense that it's very much a comic.

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Speaker 14: Like you don't try and make the maths work or

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Speaker 14: the science work.

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Speaker 6: It's very silly.

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Speaker 14: You know, you've got a birth scene and no gravity

480
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Speaker 14: on a flight deck of a ship or.

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Speaker 11: Just cracked me out.

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Speaker 14: But for all that, it's sort of comically and a

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Speaker 14: bit ridiculous. There were no laughs, Like, no one in

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Speaker 14: the theater was laughing out loud. I think there was

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Speaker 14: one point where there was a bit of a collective laugh.

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Speaker 14: So I just kind of went, you had all this,

487
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Speaker 14: you had, everything is there, but there just wasn't some

488
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Speaker 14: humid there. I didn't kind of it didn't grab me.

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Speaker 14: I kind of walked out, going, ah, okay, here we

490
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Speaker 14: go again. But look it's getting really good reviews, so

491
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Speaker 14: don't trust me.

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Speaker 15: Go along.

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Speaker 2: We always trust you are kidding getting no, that's good. Thanks,

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Speaker 2: We appreciate your honesty.

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Speaker 6: This is good.

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Speaker 2: This is this is why we why we value your

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Speaker 2: input here. So that's fantastic for first steps at showing

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Speaker 2: in cinemas now, also showing at the movies Four Letters

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Speaker 2: of Love.

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Speaker 3: When I was seventeen, God spoke to my father for

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Speaker 3: the first time.

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Speaker 11: I'll go to the Western Pune, presuming das.

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Speaker 2: In this world is as ping this Charles necklace.

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Speaker 11: You have to meet belief. We'll stay as long as.

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Speaker 4: It takes.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 2: I was some big names here. P s Brosnan, you

508
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Speaker 2: just heard and Helen and Bottom Carter.

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Speaker 14: Yes, and I spoke to Helen and bonb Carter last

510
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Speaker 14: week on the show. You can go and have a

511
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Speaker 14: listen to that interview. She's absolutely delightful talking about this film.

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Speaker 14: Narl Williams, of course, is the famous and very loved

513
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Speaker 14: Irish author. He has written the owner adapt his own

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Speaker 14: adaptation to this book.

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Speaker 6: This was his debut book.

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Speaker 11: I think I know.

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Speaker 14: It's about twenty five years old, very hard to adapt.

518
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Speaker 14: A lot of people have tried to adapt it over

519
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Speaker 14: the years and haven't been able to. Asheit wrote the screenplay,

520
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Speaker 14: and look, if you are cynical, very practical, don't necessarily

521
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Speaker 14: believe in love at first sight and things like that,

522
00:28:15,933 --> 00:28:18,973
Speaker 14: don't go to this film because it is It is

523
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Speaker 14: wildly romantic jazz, and it's filled with gorgeous sort of

524
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Speaker 14: Irish sort of sensibilities.

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Speaker 11: It's whimsical.

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Speaker 14: It does require a belief in signs and destiny and

527
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Speaker 14: that the universe works in mysterious ways. Lovely cast, as

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Speaker 14: you mentioned, Gabriel Berners also in here, but a really

529
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Speaker 14: strong cast of younger talent as well, who hold their

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Speaker 14: own it's you know, my mum said to me, I

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Speaker 14: don't think I can go to this film because I

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Speaker 14: cried all the way through.

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Speaker 9: Reading the book.

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Speaker 15: And actually I found the film.

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Speaker 14: As much as there's there's tragedy and abandonment of a

536
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Speaker 14: child and all sorts of deep difficult issues, I actually

537
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Speaker 14: found the film quite loving and warm and lovely moments

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Speaker 14: of humor and quite you know, hopeful. So if you're

539
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Speaker 14: thinking like that, you're goh, gosh, I love that, but

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Speaker 14: it was don't don't think, you know, don't let that

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Speaker 14: put you off going. Yeah, I just the Island of

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Speaker 14: Widgets shot the West. The West Islands of the Western

543
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Speaker 14: Islands of Ireland are absolutely stunning, and in New Zealand

544
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Speaker 14: we tend to think we've got some pretty stunning locations.

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Speaker 14: But they were a bit like another character in a book.

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Speaker 14: This is like the perfect Sunday afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds as long.

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Speaker 14: As you're after something wildly romantic and at little.

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Speaker 2: Bit therapy, maybe a little bit not too syrapy, just

550
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Speaker 2: just not you just can't.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I believe in that.

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Speaker 14: Don't be too cynical.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't be too It's not the first time.

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Speaker 15: Get me out of here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, now this sounds good. All right, thank you.

556
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Speaker 2: So there's Four Letters of Love starring Helen A. Bottom

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Speaker 2: Carta and Pierce Brosna. And yes you can go and

558
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Speaker 2: hear that interview with Helen and bottom Carta at News Talks.

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Speaker 2: He'd be dot co dot en z fantastic. Four First

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Speaker 2: Steps was Francesca's first film. There. Both of those are

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Speaker 2: showing at the movies at the moment, And if you

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Speaker 2: don't feel like going to the movies, just saying nah,

563
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Speaker 2: I'm done this weekend. I just want to veg out

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Speaker 2: on the couch. After ten o'clock this morning, we've got

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Speaker 2: our screen time segment. We have it every Saturday morning

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Speaker 2: on News Talks dB, where we recommend three shows to

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Speaker 2: watch or stream at home. So they're often just sometimes

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Speaker 2: the big blockbusters, sometimes the new series of really popular shows.

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Speaker 2: But we're going to recommend three fantastic series for you

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Speaker 2: after ten o'clock this morning. Right now. It is called

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Speaker 2: a ten a Tamarillo custard cake recipe for.

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Speaker 1: You next Saturday morning with Jack Ta keeping the conversation

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Speaker 1: going through the weekend.

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Speaker 2: US Talks EDB thirteen to ten our News Talks 'b

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Speaker 2: our cook NICKI Works has gone above and beyond this

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Speaker 2: week a Tamarillo custard cake. The moment I saw those words, Nikki,

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Speaker 2: I just I could feel my I felt a physical

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Speaker 2: reaction in my stomach, saliva glands go from zero catridge.

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Speaker 16: You know you didn't immediately think bank loan that she

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Speaker 16: would have had to take out.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the tall.

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Speaker 16: A little bit early in the season, so they are

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Speaker 16: still a little bit pricey, but they're worth it, aren't they.

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Speaker 2: Well for a treat? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think I think we bought four when.

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Speaker 16: I think boat and got six.

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Speaker 2: Okay, wow, yeah, wow. It's been a good year. Yeah right.

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Speaker 16: And look, so I wasn't this week going to do

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Speaker 16: a tamorilla chuttney because they're just we're not We've got

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Speaker 16: a lot of these at the moment. But this custard cake,

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Speaker 16: this is that miracle chocolate custard cake that you mix

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Speaker 16: it all up together and then yes, you know, those

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Speaker 16: layers kind of separate, And I love that in cooking

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Speaker 16: where you're making the recipe and every time I make this,

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Speaker 16: and I've made it so many times, I'll think, I

596
00:31:51,093 --> 00:31:53,653
Speaker 16: don't think this is going to work, but then it does,

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Speaker 16: and so you get this cake which is sort of

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Speaker 16: custard on the bottom and slight cakiness on the top,

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Speaker 16: which is great and it's really I've made this with

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Speaker 16: raspberries when they're in season, with rhubarb when they're in season,

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Speaker 16: and tamar allo, I think has got to be my

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Speaker 16: face it because tamari los as. You know, if you

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Speaker 16: don't love the sort of a stringent tartness of them,

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Speaker 16: once you warm them through or cook them, they take

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Speaker 16: on something different, don't they. Oh I love the flavor.

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Speaker 16: All right, Look here we go. I've made this in

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Speaker 16: a tin that's about twenty by twenty. It's a sort

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Speaker 16: of square caked and so something approximating that line it

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Speaker 16: well with baking paper oven goes on one night ninety

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Speaker 16: and it's an odd sort of a cake. So first

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Speaker 16: of all, we heat some milk, which is one and

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Speaker 16: a half cups of milk, and we just want to

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Speaker 16: heat that sort of lukewarm with the butter in it,

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Speaker 16: which is ninety grams of butter. The butter will just

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Speaker 16: melt as that and melt into that milk, and then

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Speaker 16: separate the eggs into two mixing bowls, and I'm using

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Speaker 16: three large eggs here. Beat the egg yolks with two

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Speaker 16: thirds of a cup of sugar until really pale and light,

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Speaker 16: and add into those I'm a sort of generous half

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Speaker 16: cup of flour. What does that mean? Just mean somebody

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Speaker 16: too pedantic about it, But err on the slightly more

622
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Speaker 16: than half a cup than the less. Mix that in

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Speaker 16: with your sugar and your egg yolks. Slowly add in

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Speaker 16: the warm milk. At that stage. It probably won't curdle

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Speaker 16: the eggs because it's only kind of warm the milk.

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Speaker 16: But you know, beating everything until it's really nicely mixed together,

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Speaker 16: and then whip up your egg whites until they're quite stiff,

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Speaker 16: and then fold these into the batter. And look, I

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Speaker 16: know sometimes when people try this recipe they go, well,

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Speaker 16: it's quite hard to fold that in because what you're

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Speaker 16: folding into is quite a thin batter, and so it

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Speaker 16: always feels a little bit weird. But that's fine. But

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Speaker 16: do it a third at a time until they really

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Speaker 16: fold it in and the batter is quite thin. But

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Speaker 16: don't fear about that. Pour that batter in your baking

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Speaker 16: to scatter over some chopped tamarillo I've used about one

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Speaker 16: and a half one to one and a half cups

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Speaker 16: of scooped and chopped tamarillo. I can't really tell you

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Speaker 16: how many that is because tamara very much in size,

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Speaker 16: but you know, I mean, and they want a little

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Speaker 16: sort of bite sized chunks. They'll sort of sink as

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Speaker 16: the cake bakes and sort of end up in the

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Speaker 16: custard layer. Bake it for about fifty to sixty minutes,

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Speaker 16: and the top will be quite brown and should be

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Speaker 16: sort of quite puffy, a little bit like a cake,

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Speaker 16: and you sort of want to bring it up when

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Speaker 16: that cake, when that cake layer on top is sort

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Speaker 16: of not really wabbling.

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Speaker 14: Lip it cool.

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Speaker 16: You can you can eat it hot, but I really

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Speaker 16: think let it cool till it's sort of warm even

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Speaker 16: from the fridge.

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Speaker 2: Is really nice, Jack, How kind of it sort of

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Speaker 2: a kind of fudgy quality? How would you not really fudge?

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Speaker 15: You know?

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Speaker 16: The bottom is literally like custard. Top is like a

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Speaker 16: very airy sort of a sponge. It's I mean, in

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Speaker 16: the old days, they call this cake the impossible cake,

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Speaker 16: I think because it feels as though this is not

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Speaker 16: really going to work, and I he hesitate to really

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Speaker 16: call it a cake because.

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Speaker 2: More like a yeah, like a custard type like a

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Speaker 2: dessert or something, or like a pudding. It's like a pudding.

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Speaker 3: Well look, or it's a breakfast yeah you know.

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Speaker 16: I mean, as you can imagine something tart with.

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Speaker 3: Custard, big doll of a cream on this.

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Speaker 16: Oh it's so good.

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Speaker 11: It's really really delicious.

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Speaker 16: The tamorillos are quite juicy in it, but don't let

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Speaker 16: that put you off. It's just it's really good. I

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Speaker 16: recommend that all of our listeners make this today and

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Speaker 16: send us in photos, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, or maybe if we have to a couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks and then we can no, you know, just

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Speaker 2: just if the price is a barrier right now, Well

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Speaker 2: they are.

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Speaker 16: And that's the thing. But you're gonna hunt around and

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Speaker 16: as I say, this is a real treat and you know,

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Speaker 16: you could put least tamorillos in it if you like,

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Speaker 16: because you could get away with.

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Speaker 2: Street Oh yeah this because they're they're a big flavor.

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Speaker 16: They're a big tense flavor.

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Speaker 2: That sounds amazing. Okay, Yeah, I think this could definitely

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Speaker 2: be an option in our house this weekend. Thank you

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Speaker 2: very much for that. By the way our text here

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Speaker 2: just conject. Can you please tell Nikki we made her

687
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Speaker 2: spice Moroccan lampires and they were just incredible. So there

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Speaker 2: you go.

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Speaker 16: Oh they're great. Yeah, well, you know that would normally

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Speaker 16: fill me with joy, other than the fact that two

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Speaker 16: days ago I did judge those pie awards that we talk. Yeah,

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Speaker 16: and there were five thousand entrants. I reckon. I gave

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Speaker 16: it a good try to try for a lot of them.

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Speaker 16: I was so full afterwards, I thought, I never want

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Speaker 16: to see another pie.

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Speaker 2: Another pie. Yeah, it's going to be a pie for

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Speaker 2: a few years.

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Speaker 16: I'm one of those bacond Neque pies.

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Speaker 2: Funny how that happens. Yeah, hey, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: We will make sure that recipe for the Nicky's Tamarillo

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Speaker 2: custard cake is up. On the News Talks, he'd be website.

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Speaker 2: slash Jack. Right now it is seven minutes to ten.

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Speaker 1: Giving the inside scoop on all you need to know

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Speaker 1: Saturday morning with Jack Team News Talks.

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Speaker 4: He'd be.

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Speaker 2: over the last forty five minutes or so, Jack read

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Speaker 2: So the Tour de France is rapidly approaching its end.

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Speaker 2: It's been going for the last or two and a

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Speaker 2: half weeks or so, and I mean it is a

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Speaker 2: it is a visual spectacular for anyone who likes cycling

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Speaker 2: and anyone who fancies a bit of a road trip

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Speaker 2: through France. But as the race runs to its end

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Speaker 2: after ten o'clock, right after the news, we're going to

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Speaker 2: catch up with Kiwi mechanic Craig Geeta's I say he's

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Speaker 2: a mechanic, I mean he's the chief mechanic for one

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Speaker 2: of the Tour de France teams, which means it's his

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Speaker 2: responsibility to get the bikes absolutely perfectly ready every single day.

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Speaker 2: And it's really complex because you've got all your riders.

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Speaker 2: They all have different requirements. Thro are all different heights

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Speaker 2: in that kind of thing, so they need their seats

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Speaker 2: at different levels. They all have different gear ratios, all

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Speaker 2: that kind of thing. You have different bikes for different stages.

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Speaker 2: The whole thing is very complex. And then once he's

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Speaker 2: done it all, every single day he has to get

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Speaker 2: in the car and follow the riders. And that's what

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Speaker 2: I want to know about. I want to know about

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Speaker 2: the experience driving a car in the Tour de France

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Speaker 2: when you got those crazy crowds on either side of

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Speaker 2: the road lurching out in front of the vehicles every day.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask Craig about that experience. It strikes me

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Speaker 2: as incredibly stressful, to be perfectly honest. But looking forward

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Speaker 2: to catching up with him as well as that. If

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Speaker 2: you're looking for a great show to watch or stream

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Speaker 2: from the couch this weekend, our screen time segment has

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Speaker 2: three fantastic shows to recommend. It is almost ten o'clock,

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Speaker 2: which means it's almost news time. I'm Jack Tame. It's

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Speaker 2: Saturday morning, and this is news Talk ZEDB.

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Speaker 1: Craking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack.

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Speaker 4: Team News talksble.

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Speaker 11: I want to ride, man, want to ride my Bysiga.

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Speaker 2: I want to ride.

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Speaker 13: My bike, I want to ride my busy.

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Speaker 2: I want to ride. You see producer that he just

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Speaker 2: couldn't resist it. She could and resist it more than

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Speaker 2: you were. Jactaim on News Storks Advent. As the Tour

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Speaker 2: de France reaches its final couple of leagues, I have

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Speaker 2: been captivated by the drama, the grueling climbs, the triumphant

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Speaker 2: podium finishes as they play out. But someone with an

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Speaker 2: up close personal access to the side of professional cycling

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Speaker 2: that we don't get to see all the time on

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Speaker 2: our screens is Kiwi bike mechanic Craig Geeta. Craig has

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Speaker 2: more than twenty years of experience working on the Tour

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Speaker 2: de France. He's worked with some of cycling's greatest riders',

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Speaker 2: biggest names and most successful teams over the years. He's

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Speaker 2: now the head mechanic for his current pro team, Australian

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Speaker 2: outfit team Jacob Alula, and he's been on the ground,

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Speaker 2: in the car and no doubt on the bike throughout

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Speaker 2: the prestigious race Craig joins us from France. Keilder, Good morning,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 6: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I want to start with a really simple question, Craig,

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Speaker 2: what do you do?

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Speaker 17: I'm a mechanic for JCO Wallula professional cycling team.

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Speaker 2: Right and for people who aren't following the tour, they

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Speaker 2: are one of the teams that's contesting the Tour de

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Speaker 2: France this year. And what does a mechanic for a

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Speaker 2: team and the Tour de France have to do?

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Speaker 17: Basically, we look after all the car as we have.

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Speaker 17: I think we have about nine team cars here. We

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Speaker 17: have a bus and a truck. We take care of those.

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Speaker 17: We wash the bikes every day. Then we prepare them

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Speaker 17: all and make sure that every all the gear ratios

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Speaker 17: are correct for the particular stage that they're doing. Next

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Speaker 17: that the bikes are all working are in proper condition. Yeah,

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Speaker 17: we and then we follow the race during the day

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Speaker 17: and then afterwards we do a transfer to the next

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Speaker 17: hotel and then we do the whole process over again.

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Speaker 2: Gosh, rinse and repeat, and for a Grand Tour as well.

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Speaker 2: It's a pretty exhausting process. I'm going to ask you about,

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Speaker 2: you know, how things kind of change over the course

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Speaker 2: of an event like the Tour de France in a

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Speaker 2: few minutes. But how does how does a person go

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Speaker 2: about getting a job like this? How do you become

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Speaker 2: a mechanic in the Tour de France.

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Speaker 6: I think I became one by accident.

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Speaker 17: I used to be a mechanic and my parents' bike

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Speaker 17: chop in Rot and I was a keen cyclist back then,

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Speaker 17: and I came across to Europe to watch, to watch

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Speaker 17: all the big races and race a little bit myself,

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Speaker 17: and I just happened to be in the right spot

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Speaker 17: at the moment where a smaller professional team needed a

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Speaker 17: mechanic and they couldn't find anybody else, and they asked

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Speaker 17: if I could go along and help them, so I did,

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Speaker 17: and they were quite happy with my work, and they

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Speaker 17: kept asking and then I eventually, after a couple of months,

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Speaker 17: became full time with them, and it just went from there.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing a So how many bikes would a single

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Speaker 2: team use, and across the course of the Tour de France.

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Speaker 17: We would use we have three road racing bikes per rider.

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Speaker 17: Let's eight riders, and we're down to seven riders. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 17: we had one crash out and then they have two

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Speaker 17: time troll bikes for the time trolls, a race one

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Speaker 17: and a spare one, which is identical all their bikes.

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Speaker 6: So there's five bikes per rider.

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Speaker 17: Which are just for that rider, and they're all in

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Speaker 17: exactly the same measurement, so they're identical bikes, so if

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Speaker 17: the rider needs he can get on any one of

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Speaker 17: them at any moment and just continue as normal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's obscene really when you actually break it down

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Speaker 2: and you do the numbers. So you've got forty bikes

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Speaker 2: across eight riders for an event like the Tour de France.

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Speaker 2: Not only do you have to know your way around

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Speaker 2: a bike, not only do you have to be pretty

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Speaker 2: mechanically minded, you must be you must have to be

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Speaker 2: incredibly detail oriented Craig.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you have to be.

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Speaker 17: Everything's measured by millimeters here, so you have to be

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Speaker 17: as precise as as possible. And we're here with full mechanics,

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Speaker 17: so sometimes if we're having difficulties with something, we can

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Speaker 17: rely on our on our teammates to double check or

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Speaker 17: look over it to see that you're correct or something

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Speaker 17: needs adjusting slightly more. But yeah, but no, it's everything.

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Speaker 17: It's a bit like Formula one but on push bikes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So how would the bikes that your cyclists are

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Speaker 2: riding and racing at the moment, how would they compare

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Speaker 2: to the bike that I'm riding to work every day.

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Speaker 17: Our bikes, well, they're supposed to be the top of

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Speaker 17: the line bikes. Obviously, we're sponsored by Giant Bicycles, which

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Speaker 17: are very good bikes, and then kate X is a

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Speaker 17: part of the Giant family, so they supply the handlebars, wheels, saddles.

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Speaker 6: Things like that. And then we have Shimanos. So our bikes.

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Speaker 17: At the top of the line that we can possibly

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Speaker 17: get and they're actually really really good bikes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, you hope. So if you got the world's

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Speaker 2: best cyclists racing them through the Pyrenees, So, what do

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Speaker 2: you reckon that you know that plebs that average punters

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Speaker 2: watching the Tour de France, What do you reckon that

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Speaker 2: they don't properly understand about the athleticism of the cyclists

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Speaker 2: and the tour.

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Speaker 17: Well, for the cyclist, that's it's a whole different world.

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Speaker 17: It's a twenty four hour job. But you can't just

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Speaker 17: go to work and ride your bike on a Friday

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Speaker 17: and then finish work and go to the pub or

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Speaker 17: down to McDonald's or anything there.

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Speaker 6: There.

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Speaker 17: Everything they do recovery is super important. They do their training,

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Speaker 17: They then come back and get the massage to make

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Speaker 17: sure that all the muscles in the body are as

860
00:45:11,853 --> 00:45:15,173
Speaker 17: supple as possible and everything's working correctly.

861
00:45:15,253 --> 00:45:16,973
Speaker 6: And then their.

862
00:45:16,813 --> 00:45:22,533
Speaker 17: Diets are so heavily not restricted, but you know, they

863
00:45:22,533 --> 00:45:23,293
Speaker 17: weigh their food.

864
00:45:23,453 --> 00:45:24,493
Speaker 6: They weigh there.

865
00:45:24,973 --> 00:45:27,973
Speaker 17: They know exactly how many calories they're taking in and

866
00:45:28,653 --> 00:45:31,893
Speaker 17: how many calories they need to have taken in to

867
00:45:32,093 --> 00:45:33,693
Speaker 17: be good for the following days.

868
00:45:33,853 --> 00:45:35,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it is the following days. This is the

869
00:45:35,853 --> 00:45:37,733
Speaker 2: thing that I find amazing. It's not just that you

870
00:45:37,733 --> 00:45:40,013
Speaker 2: have a massive performance over one hundred and seventy k's

871
00:45:40,093 --> 00:45:42,213
Speaker 2: up over the Pyrenees or the Alps or something like that,

872
00:45:42,253 --> 00:45:43,853
Speaker 2: but then you've got to do it again the next day,

873
00:45:43,973 --> 00:45:46,373
Speaker 2: and the day after that and the day after that.

874
00:45:46,853 --> 00:45:49,693
Speaker 2: So as someone who moved who grew up around a

875
00:45:49,693 --> 00:45:51,773
Speaker 2: bike shop, who moved to Europe and was doing a

876
00:45:51,773 --> 00:45:55,533
Speaker 2: bit of racing, is obviously a pretty enthusiastic cyclist. Like,

877
00:45:55,653 --> 00:45:58,253
Speaker 2: how what do you think when you look at them

878
00:45:58,453 --> 00:46:00,733
Speaker 2: racing at their peak? You know, when you're seeing the

879
00:46:00,773 --> 00:46:03,853
Speaker 2: best guys duking it out on top of you know,

880
00:46:03,933 --> 00:46:06,813
Speaker 2: Von Tue or something like that. What do you think.

881
00:46:08,573 --> 00:46:10,973
Speaker 17: To start with when you're actually here and you're you're

882
00:46:11,053 --> 00:46:13,573
Speaker 17: you're working around them and you see them all in that,

883
00:46:13,693 --> 00:46:15,493
Speaker 17: you get a bit of a shock to start with,

884
00:46:15,653 --> 00:46:19,093
Speaker 17: because they're all the most of them, you know, the

885
00:46:19,213 --> 00:46:23,653
Speaker 17: GC contenders, the general classification guys who are leading the race.

886
00:46:23,973 --> 00:46:26,613
Speaker 17: They're tiny. You look at them and you just think

887
00:46:26,693 --> 00:46:28,933
Speaker 17: they're they're young. They are young kids. You know, most

888
00:46:28,973 --> 00:46:33,013
Speaker 17: of them are in their early to mid twenties. Now

889
00:46:33,093 --> 00:46:36,373
Speaker 17: where that sort of changed over the years. They you

890
00:46:36,493 --> 00:46:39,213
Speaker 17: normally peaked sort of in the mid to late twenties,

891
00:46:39,293 --> 00:46:42,853
Speaker 17: but now these young kids are coming straight out of

892
00:46:43,013 --> 00:46:45,973
Speaker 17: Mappe's and demolishing the world and cycling.

893
00:46:46,053 --> 00:46:48,893
Speaker 6: But yeah, they're they're they're.

894
00:46:48,533 --> 00:46:51,733
Speaker 17: They're really tiny. They're they're small people. They're they're definitely

895
00:46:51,773 --> 00:46:52,733
Speaker 17: not your rugby.

896
00:46:52,413 --> 00:46:56,093
Speaker 6: Player and they they Yeah.

897
00:46:56,173 --> 00:46:59,373
Speaker 17: It's just phenomenal how fast they go, how much power

898
00:46:59,373 --> 00:47:01,373
Speaker 17: they can put out for the size of them.

899
00:47:01,653 --> 00:47:01,973
Speaker 4: Yeah.

900
00:47:02,093 --> 00:47:04,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the power to weight ratio that's really key

901
00:47:04,493 --> 00:47:06,293
Speaker 2: with it all, isn't it. I Mean, some of those

902
00:47:06,413 --> 00:47:10,093
Speaker 2: top contenders, there're what sixty sixty five kgs maybe dripping wet.

903
00:47:11,053 --> 00:47:15,133
Speaker 2: So you worked closely with Lance Armstrong for years, is

904
00:47:15,133 --> 00:47:18,293
Speaker 2: his mechanic? What was that experience like that? What was

905
00:47:18,293 --> 00:47:21,773
Speaker 2: he like to work with? Obviously there's a fair bit

906
00:47:21,853 --> 00:47:24,533
Speaker 2: of additional history that comes with his experience in the

907
00:47:24,533 --> 00:47:26,333
Speaker 2: Tour de France, but what was your experience?

908
00:47:27,733 --> 00:47:30,773
Speaker 17: I actually really enjoyed it. I was a little bit

909
00:47:30,813 --> 00:47:34,173
Speaker 17: nervous to start with. I was in the team before

910
00:47:34,213 --> 00:47:38,693
Speaker 17: I ended up becoming his mechanic, and he just said

911
00:47:38,693 --> 00:47:41,133
Speaker 17: this aura about him where he was just a scary

912
00:47:41,173 --> 00:47:45,373
Speaker 17: looking guy, but when you got got to know him

913
00:47:45,413 --> 00:47:49,893
Speaker 17: and start working with him, he was actually probably the

914
00:47:49,933 --> 00:47:54,133
Speaker 17: most the sort of the person with the most sort

915
00:47:54,173 --> 00:47:57,573
Speaker 17: of Kiwi add aitude that's not a kiwi. He was

916
00:47:57,813 --> 00:48:00,573
Speaker 17: laid back and quite funny and joked around all the

917
00:48:00,613 --> 00:48:04,773
Speaker 17: time behind the scenes. He was just also your sort

918
00:48:04,813 --> 00:48:09,293
Speaker 17: of typical young American kid sort of style, and I

919
00:48:09,333 --> 00:48:11,413
Speaker 17: actually really enjoyed it, and it was it was a

920
00:48:11,413 --> 00:48:14,013
Speaker 17: lot of fun that it just didn't look like that

921
00:48:14,133 --> 00:48:16,813
Speaker 17: for the that he was like that to the to

922
00:48:16,853 --> 00:48:20,293
Speaker 17: the public, because you're you only sort of saw one

923
00:48:20,413 --> 00:48:23,093
Speaker 17: side of him through the media, where he was always

924
00:48:23,093 --> 00:48:27,253
Speaker 17: being attacked and things like that, but I actually really

925
00:48:27,373 --> 00:48:28,293
Speaker 17: enjoyed my time there.

926
00:48:28,373 --> 00:48:29,733
Speaker 6: I learned a lot from them too.

927
00:48:29,613 --> 00:48:32,373
Speaker 17: About the bikes, you know, the way he measures his

928
00:48:32,493 --> 00:48:35,173
Speaker 17: setups and all that sort of thing as well, which

929
00:48:36,053 --> 00:48:38,573
Speaker 17: which I hadn't seen before, and it was he was

930
00:48:38,613 --> 00:48:43,173
Speaker 17: really professional and also mellimeter by millimeter and and.

931
00:48:43,613 --> 00:48:47,213
Speaker 6: He was a hard working athlete as well. So yeah, yeah, no,

932
00:48:47,293 --> 00:48:47,773
Speaker 6: it was good.

933
00:48:47,893 --> 00:48:51,173
Speaker 2: Do you feel like the tour has you know, they've

934
00:48:51,173 --> 00:48:52,613
Speaker 2: obviously done it kind of a lot of work and

935
00:48:52,973 --> 00:48:54,813
Speaker 2: cycling over the last few years, but do you feel

936
00:48:54,853 --> 00:48:56,973
Speaker 2: like they've sort of moved into a new era from

937
00:48:56,973 --> 00:48:59,813
Speaker 2: that from that, you know, from the Armstrong era, from

938
00:48:59,853 --> 00:49:02,013
Speaker 2: all of the controversy around doping and stuff, do you

939
00:49:02,013 --> 00:49:05,693
Speaker 2: feel like they've kind of managed to rewin the trust

940
00:49:05,733 --> 00:49:08,573
Speaker 2: of the cycle being public and the sporting public at large.

941
00:49:09,573 --> 00:49:10,213
Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure.

942
00:49:10,293 --> 00:49:14,613
Speaker 17: It's definitely clear that that the sport and as a

943
00:49:14,613 --> 00:49:19,053
Speaker 17: whole is cleaned up, and it's it's much better now.

944
00:49:19,133 --> 00:49:22,373
Speaker 17: In the top tier and sort of the top level

945
00:49:22,973 --> 00:49:25,773
Speaker 17: World Tour which we're in, and then the next level

946
00:49:25,813 --> 00:49:31,773
Speaker 17: down Pro Conte, Pro Continental teams, they all have biological

947
00:49:31,813 --> 00:49:36,533
Speaker 17: passports now, which is all your blood values put together

948
00:49:36,733 --> 00:49:39,493
Speaker 17: by all the mandatory tests that you have to do,

949
00:49:39,933 --> 00:49:43,293
Speaker 17: plus any doping tests that you that you do just

950
00:49:43,373 --> 00:49:47,173
Speaker 17: in the sport in general, and then those values clearly

951
00:49:47,173 --> 00:49:51,613
Speaker 17: show if anyone starts to tamp around with anything, it

952
00:49:51,773 --> 00:49:55,973
Speaker 17: pops up immediately on these biological passports. So then they

953
00:49:56,013 --> 00:50:00,053
Speaker 17: get sort of they get informed that they're being watched,

954
00:50:00,093 --> 00:50:05,053
Speaker 17: and if the values continue to shut around a little bit,

955
00:50:05,133 --> 00:50:11,653
Speaker 17: the well, then take appropriate action. But in general, it's

956
00:50:11,733 --> 00:50:15,013
Speaker 17: really the sport has cleaned up and it's really good now.

957
00:50:15,093 --> 00:50:17,453
Speaker 17: But the thing is they go faster now than they

958
00:50:17,573 --> 00:50:17,853
Speaker 17: used to.

959
00:50:18,333 --> 00:50:21,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. I mean, obviously there are other

960
00:50:21,573 --> 00:50:25,013
Speaker 2: things have developed a lot, the bike technology, the aerodynamics,

961
00:50:25,093 --> 00:50:28,493
Speaker 2: the nutrition, all of that kind of thing, But I mean,

962
00:50:29,093 --> 00:50:32,013
Speaker 2: it's still ridiculous watching these cyclists, you know, especially at

963
00:50:32,013 --> 00:50:34,813
Speaker 2: the moment we have, you know, two kind of generational

964
00:50:34,853 --> 00:50:37,413
Speaker 2: cyclists have been duking it out on all of these

965
00:50:37,453 --> 00:50:41,093
Speaker 2: recent tours, Taday Pagaca and Joannes Vinger Guarde. What do

966
00:50:41,133 --> 00:50:44,693
Speaker 2: you make of those two as cyclists and the kind

967
00:50:44,693 --> 00:50:47,013
Speaker 2: of competition that we've seen not only this year but

968
00:50:47,053 --> 00:50:48,373
Speaker 2: in the last few years of the tour.

969
00:50:49,653 --> 00:50:53,053
Speaker 6: Yeah, like it's pretty phenomenal. That those two.

970
00:50:54,893 --> 00:50:58,493
Speaker 17: Quite far above the level of the others, and they

971
00:50:58,613 --> 00:51:02,813
Speaker 17: go head to head and the Grand Tours. Vnderguard is

972
00:51:04,173 --> 00:51:07,293
Speaker 17: clearly a super talented rider and a very good rider,

973
00:51:07,333 --> 00:51:12,373
Speaker 17: but he specifically targets the tour, whereas POG people now

974
00:51:12,493 --> 00:51:15,653
Speaker 17: sort of start to claim them as the new successor

975
00:51:15,693 --> 00:51:18,853
Speaker 17: of Eddie Merks because he wins all different races and

976
00:51:20,413 --> 00:51:23,653
Speaker 17: he just makes it look easy. He's and he's such

977
00:51:23,933 --> 00:51:27,533
Speaker 17: a nice person as well. He's always very friendly to everyone.

978
00:51:29,013 --> 00:51:31,733
Speaker 17: But he's just a phenomenal, phenomenal rider.

979
00:51:32,293 --> 00:51:35,293
Speaker 2: Well, what's it like when you're in the cars following

980
00:51:35,333 --> 00:51:38,333
Speaker 2: all of the cyclists, because watching it on TV, a

981
00:51:38,373 --> 00:51:40,573
Speaker 2: couple of things strike me as really stressful. First of all,

982
00:51:40,613 --> 00:51:44,133
Speaker 2: how close the fans still are to the cyclist, like

983
00:51:44,213 --> 00:51:47,333
Speaker 2: waving flags directly in their faces when they're riding up

984
00:51:47,373 --> 00:51:50,053
Speaker 2: mountains at thirty five k's an hour. But then all

985
00:51:50,093 --> 00:51:51,853
Speaker 2: of the cars that have to come through in the

986
00:51:51,853 --> 00:51:54,333
Speaker 2: procession following the cyclist, it just strikes me as an

987
00:51:54,333 --> 00:51:55,813
Speaker 2: altogether stressful experience.

988
00:51:57,013 --> 00:51:58,053
Speaker 6: Yeah, it is.

989
00:51:58,133 --> 00:52:02,453
Speaker 17: It's there seems to me more people here this year

990
00:52:02,773 --> 00:52:05,733
Speaker 17: than in the past years since since the COVID days,

991
00:52:06,093 --> 00:52:07,973
Speaker 17: I mean, and the tour always has a lot of

992
00:52:07,973 --> 00:52:10,093
Speaker 17: fans on the side of the road, but this year

993
00:52:10,173 --> 00:52:15,173
Speaker 17: it's it's incredible that every day everywhere they're just lined

994
00:52:15,253 --> 00:52:17,853
Speaker 17: up along the road. And there was actually an incident

995
00:52:18,933 --> 00:52:22,413
Speaker 17: where the Enios team car actually hit a spectator who

996
00:52:22,453 --> 00:52:25,333
Speaker 17: was standing virtually in the middle of the road and

997
00:52:25,453 --> 00:52:29,813
Speaker 17: the car was trying to pass another rider from another

998
00:52:29,853 --> 00:52:33,533
Speaker 17: team to move up behind his rider, and the spectator

999
00:52:33,653 --> 00:52:37,173
Speaker 17: was one meter out further on the road and didn't

1000
00:52:37,173 --> 00:52:40,253
Speaker 17: budge and the car collected him on the way past.

1001
00:52:40,333 --> 00:52:45,293
Speaker 17: And it was actually the spectator's fault, but the driver

1002
00:52:45,413 --> 00:52:50,173
Speaker 17: of the car was also penalized and had to pay

1003
00:52:50,333 --> 00:52:54,533
Speaker 17: quite a hefty fine. But they're lucky that nobody died

1004
00:52:54,613 --> 00:52:57,213
Speaker 17: or was injured, you know, but it does there is

1005
00:52:57,253 --> 00:52:59,653
Speaker 17: the odd accident. Over the years, there has been the

1006
00:52:59,693 --> 00:53:04,413
Speaker 17: occasional accident and death with the spectators standing so close.

1007
00:53:05,533 --> 00:53:09,653
Speaker 17: But it's yeah, it's a unique sport where it's open

1008
00:53:09,693 --> 00:53:12,493
Speaker 17: to the public. It's not in an arena or a stadium,

1009
00:53:12,573 --> 00:53:15,973
Speaker 17: so it's yeah, it's a little bit crazy, and it's

1010
00:53:16,013 --> 00:53:18,293
Speaker 17: one of the only sports that I think the public

1011
00:53:18,973 --> 00:53:20,653
Speaker 17: can get so close to the athletes.

1012
00:53:20,933 --> 00:53:23,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're on the road for two hundred and

1013
00:53:23,173 --> 00:53:28,013
Speaker 2: fifty days a year sometimes, which is extraordinary, Greig, and

1014
00:53:28,053 --> 00:53:30,773
Speaker 2: that means a lot of unfamiliar three and a half

1015
00:53:30,813 --> 00:53:34,013
Speaker 2: star hotels. I would have thought, do you have any

1016
00:53:34,133 --> 00:53:37,173
Speaker 2: aspirations for settling down at some point? I know you've

1017
00:53:37,173 --> 00:53:38,973
Speaker 2: done more than twenty years on the tour. Could you

1018
00:53:39,013 --> 00:53:40,573
Speaker 2: do another twenty?

1019
00:53:41,013 --> 00:53:43,053
Speaker 6: I definitely couldn't do another twenty Now.

1020
00:53:43,373 --> 00:53:47,813
Speaker 17: I'm much to my twenty first tour and it's just

1021
00:53:47,973 --> 00:53:53,613
Speaker 17: a groundhole day. I guess it's nice. I enjoy traveling around.

1022
00:53:53,613 --> 00:53:56,333
Speaker 17: That's probably the nicest part of it. You get to

1023
00:53:56,373 --> 00:53:58,773
Speaker 17: see different places. But now most of the hotels that

1024
00:53:58,813 --> 00:54:01,333
Speaker 17: we travel to every year are also quite familiar and

1025
00:54:01,733 --> 00:54:04,213
Speaker 17: feel like home because you've been there so many times. Yeah,

1026
00:54:05,493 --> 00:54:07,773
Speaker 17: but I think I've still got a few years in me.

1027
00:54:08,733 --> 00:54:13,253
Speaker 17: I wouldn't say that many. But I'm also nervous that

1028
00:54:14,213 --> 00:54:16,693
Speaker 17: when I do stop, I won't know what to do.

1029
00:54:17,973 --> 00:54:20,813
Speaker 17: You know, I don't I've never done anything else, and

1030
00:54:21,493 --> 00:54:23,973
Speaker 17: I might find that I don't really enjoy it. So

1031
00:54:24,413 --> 00:54:27,053
Speaker 17: I think, well, I can I just make the most

1032
00:54:27,093 --> 00:54:30,053
Speaker 17: of doing what I do until it's not possible anymore.

1033
00:54:30,213 --> 00:54:33,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great attitude. Hey, I'm deeply envious, Craig.

1034
00:54:34,053 --> 00:54:37,213
Speaker 2: Enjoy the last you know, the last dying leagues of

1035
00:54:37,253 --> 00:54:39,813
Speaker 2: the tour, and thank you so much for giving us

1036
00:54:39,853 --> 00:54:41,333
Speaker 2: your time. We really appreciate it.

1037
00:54:42,333 --> 00:54:43,053
Speaker 6: No, you're welcome.

1038
00:54:43,533 --> 00:54:47,653
Speaker 2: There's Craig Gita. Craig Gita is the chief mechanic for

1039
00:54:47,853 --> 00:54:51,733
Speaker 2: the team Jacob Alula. He is an Olympic selector. There's

1040
00:54:51,773 --> 00:54:53,893
Speaker 2: all sorts of stuff for New Zealand cyclists as well

1041
00:54:54,413 --> 00:54:57,013
Speaker 2: in two leagues left and this year's Tour de France,

1042
00:54:57,053 --> 00:54:59,373
Speaker 2: which is his twenty first. If you want to get

1043
00:54:59,373 --> 00:55:01,253
Speaker 2: in touch, ninety two. Ninety two is the text number

1044
00:55:01,333 --> 00:55:03,533
Speaker 2: this morning, Jack Love, that be here the name Pagacha

1045
00:55:03,733 --> 00:55:06,453
Speaker 2: being pronounced correctly by your guest. I think that's so.

1046
00:55:06,693 --> 00:55:09,853
Speaker 2: That's probably not been pronounced correctly by me. Uh, never mind,

1047
00:55:09,933 --> 00:55:12,373
Speaker 2: Jack Love the interview with Craig. What an amazing job.

1048
00:55:12,653 --> 00:55:14,773
Speaker 2: Appreciate that you can email me as well. Jacket Newstalk

1049
00:55:14,813 --> 00:55:17,453
Speaker 2: s headb dot co dot MZ. So before eleven o'clock

1050
00:55:18,013 --> 00:55:20,333
Speaker 2: we're going to catch up with our personal finance expert.

1051
00:55:20,373 --> 00:55:22,693
Speaker 2: There has been a surge in the number of New

1052
00:55:22,773 --> 00:55:25,933
Speaker 2: Zealanders who are accessing key. We save a hardship withdrawals,

1053
00:55:25,973 --> 00:55:29,213
Speaker 2: probably not altogether surprising given the state of the economy

1054
00:55:29,253 --> 00:55:31,053
Speaker 2: at the moment, but she's going to give us her

1055
00:55:31,053 --> 00:55:33,173
Speaker 2: thoughts on that next up though. If you're looking for

1056
00:55:33,213 --> 00:55:35,453
Speaker 2: a great show to watch this weekend from the comfort

1057
00:55:35,453 --> 00:55:38,453
Speaker 2: of your couch, we've got our screen time segment right now.

1058
00:55:38,453 --> 00:55:43,773
Speaker 2: It's twenty three past tend.

1059
00:55:41,693 --> 00:55:45,613
Speaker 1: Your weekend of the right way, Saturday Morning with Jack Dame.

1060
00:55:45,933 --> 00:55:49,493
Speaker 2: News Talks at b twenty six past ten on Newstalks

1061
00:55:49,653 --> 00:55:53,333
Speaker 2: EDB screen Time Time. Tara Ward is our screen time experts.

1062
00:55:53,333 --> 00:55:55,653
Speaker 2: She's here with her three shows for this weekend. Hey, Tara,

1063
00:55:56,373 --> 00:55:58,853
Speaker 2: good morning. Let's begin with a show on Disney Plus.

1064
00:55:58,933 --> 00:56:00,493
Speaker 2: Tell us about Washington Black.

1065
00:56:01,573 --> 00:56:04,093
Speaker 15: Yeah, this is a new drama that is a show

1066
00:56:04,133 --> 00:56:05,973
Speaker 15: that's a mix of a lot of different things. It's

1067
00:56:06,013 --> 00:56:08,533
Speaker 15: a historical drama. It's got a bit of science fiction

1068
00:56:08,653 --> 00:56:10,573
Speaker 15: to it, and it's got a bit of romance and

1069
00:56:10,813 --> 00:56:13,813
Speaker 15: adventure as well. It's set in the eighteen hundreds and

1070
00:56:13,853 --> 00:56:16,613
Speaker 15: it's about a young boy called Washington Black, who, at

1071
00:56:16,653 --> 00:56:19,493
Speaker 15: the age of eleven, is a slave on a plantation

1072
00:56:19,613 --> 00:56:22,573
Speaker 15: in Barbados. He's accused of a crime and has to

1073
00:56:23,413 --> 00:56:27,453
Speaker 15: escape to flee and the show jumps between Washington's life

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Speaker 15: as a child in Barbados and his adult life in

1075
00:56:30,573 --> 00:56:34,453
Speaker 15: Halifax and Canada. And the adult Washington is an amateur scientist.

1076
00:56:34,493 --> 00:56:38,573
Speaker 15: He's obsessed with bringing the inventions of his Barbados slave

1077
00:56:38,613 --> 00:56:41,693
Speaker 15: owner to life while trying to avoid being caught for

1078
00:56:41,773 --> 00:56:45,053
Speaker 15: this crime he was accused of as a child. And

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00:56:45,093 --> 00:56:49,213
Speaker 15: so it's quite a serious subject matter, but it's much

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00:56:49,293 --> 00:56:51,693
Speaker 15: lighter than I was expecting. This almost feels like a

1081
00:56:51,693 --> 00:56:54,853
Speaker 15: family kind of drama. It's quite a sweeping story. It

1082
00:56:54,853 --> 00:56:57,333
Speaker 15: goes to lots of different countries, and because of the

1083
00:56:57,373 --> 00:57:01,413
Speaker 15: travel and the nineteenth century inventions, this has quite a

1084
00:57:01,453 --> 00:57:04,373
Speaker 15: steampunk vibe to it, which is quite unexpected. It's almost

1085
00:57:04,413 --> 00:57:07,933
Speaker 15: a bit Jules Vernes. So there's lots of stuff going

1086
00:57:07,973 --> 00:57:11,333
Speaker 15: on here. If you like a lighter historical drama that's

1087
00:57:11,333 --> 00:57:13,693
Speaker 15: got a bit of quirk to it, you'll like this.

1088
00:57:13,813 --> 00:57:15,933
Speaker 15: It's got a great cast as well. Sterling Kate Brown

1089
00:57:16,013 --> 00:57:17,893
Speaker 15: is in this, and he's always fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Nice. Okay, so it's Washington Black. It's on Disney Plus

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00:57:21,173 --> 00:57:23,013
Speaker 2: on three now the game.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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00:57:24,453 --> 00:57:27,133
Speaker 15: This is a British psychological thriller and in a lot

1094
00:57:27,173 --> 00:57:30,733
Speaker 15: of ways it's a pretty stock standard British crime drama.

1095
00:57:30,773 --> 00:57:34,013
Speaker 15: It's not doing anything new, it's not doing anything unexpected,

1096
00:57:34,013 --> 00:57:36,533
Speaker 15: but it's still an entertaining watch. And I think that's

1097
00:57:36,573 --> 00:57:39,693
Speaker 15: because of the cast. This does Jason Watkins and Robson Green.

1098
00:57:39,853 --> 00:57:44,213
Speaker 15: Jason Watkins plays a police detective who is forced to

1099
00:57:44,333 --> 00:57:47,813
Speaker 15: retire after he mishandles a case, and he's haunted by

1100
00:57:47,853 --> 00:57:51,293
Speaker 15: not solving this mystery of a local serial killer. He's

1101
00:57:51,413 --> 00:57:55,533
Speaker 15: just started his retirement when his neighbor dies unexpectedly. Robson

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00:57:55,933 --> 00:58:00,733
Speaker 15: Green's character moves in next door, and the detective believes

1103
00:58:00,733 --> 00:58:03,053
Speaker 15: that his new neighbor is the murderer who has evaded

1104
00:58:03,133 --> 00:58:06,253
Speaker 15: him for so long, and he becomes obsessed with pre

1105
00:58:06,613 --> 00:58:09,293
Speaker 15: his theory, and so it becomes this game of cat

1106
00:58:09,333 --> 00:58:13,053
Speaker 15: and mouse with lots of you know, psychological tension building

1107
00:58:13,093 --> 00:58:15,773
Speaker 15: up as the detective world starts to fall apart. It

1108
00:58:15,933 --> 00:58:19,293
Speaker 15: sounds far fetched. It is far fetched. I can't say

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00:58:19,293 --> 00:58:21,253
Speaker 15: this is the perfect drama, you know. The script is

1110
00:58:21,253 --> 00:58:23,613
Speaker 15: a bit ropye, there's lots of plot holes. But I

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00:58:23,653 --> 00:58:25,933
Speaker 15: watched this last night quite happily. I didn't have to

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00:58:25,973 --> 00:58:28,613
Speaker 15: think too hard about it. Went along with some of

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00:58:28,613 --> 00:58:30,893
Speaker 15: the more bonkers moments and just enjoyed it for what

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00:58:30,933 --> 00:58:33,573
Speaker 15: it is. So I think if you're just your expectations

1115
00:58:33,573 --> 00:58:36,013
Speaker 15: a little bit, you have a fun time, especially if

1116
00:58:36,053 --> 00:58:39,293
Speaker 15: you enjoy you know, a good, reliable British crime drama.

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00:58:39,373 --> 00:58:41,653
Speaker 2: Okay, nice, Okay, that's the game. That's on three now

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00:58:41,733 --> 00:58:44,053
Speaker 2: and on TV and Z plus. The Hunting Wives.

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Speaker 15: This is another drama where if you adjust your expectations

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00:58:47,933 --> 00:58:49,613
Speaker 15: you're going to have a great time. This is The

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00:58:49,693 --> 00:58:54,333
Speaker 15: Hunting Wives. It's wonderfully soapy and over the top, completely

1122
00:58:54,413 --> 00:58:57,533
Speaker 15: ridiculous American series that's just come to TV and Z Plus.

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00:58:57,853 --> 00:59:00,173
Speaker 15: It's set in Texas and it's about a woman named

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00:59:00,213 --> 00:59:03,093
Speaker 15: Sophie whose family moves from Boston to Texas for her

1125
00:59:03,133 --> 00:59:07,453
Speaker 15: husband's job. She's feeling quite lost until she gets welcomed

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00:59:07,493 --> 00:59:11,373
Speaker 15: into a group of rich, socialite wives who are very

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00:59:11,373 --> 00:59:14,093
Speaker 15: different to her. They all have secrets, nothing is what

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00:59:14,133 --> 00:59:16,933
Speaker 15: it seems, and they become tangled up in a murder

1129
00:59:17,093 --> 00:59:21,893
Speaker 15: and it's that whole Desperate Housewives story but dropped into Texas,

1130
00:59:21,933 --> 00:59:24,053
Speaker 15: and they have turned the dial right up on the

1131
00:59:24,093 --> 00:59:27,093
Speaker 15: politics and the wealth and the cowboy boots. They have

1132
00:59:27,213 --> 00:59:29,813
Speaker 15: chucked almost everything at this show to see what sticks,

1133
00:59:29,853 --> 00:59:33,373
Speaker 15: You've got Guns, murder of Fears, corruption, you name it,

1134
00:59:33,373 --> 00:59:36,133
Speaker 15: it's in here. It has a great cast. Ulroney is

1135
00:59:36,133 --> 00:59:39,173
Speaker 15: in this, Merlin Ackerman, Christy Metz from This is Us

1136
00:59:39,453 --> 00:59:42,373
Speaker 15: and again it's just completely over the top, and I

1137
00:59:42,533 --> 00:59:45,133
Speaker 15: enjoyed it for what it is, wonderfully trashy and silly

1138
00:59:45,173 --> 00:59:47,573
Speaker 15: and soapy. And you know, this kind of TV has

1139
00:59:47,613 --> 00:59:49,973
Speaker 15: its place every now and here. There's nothing wrong with

1140
00:59:50,053 --> 00:59:51,573
Speaker 15: a bit of trashy TV, a little bit.

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00:59:51,533 --> 00:59:56,573
Speaker 2: Of escapism sometimes. Tarakactly, that's The Hunting Wives. It's on

1142
00:59:56,613 --> 01:00:00,213
Speaker 2: TVNZ Plus. The Game is on three now in Washington. Black,

1143
01:00:00,253 --> 01:00:03,373
Speaker 2: which was Tara's first recommendation, is on Disney Plus.

1144
01:00:07,173 --> 01:00:09,013
Speaker 4: It's getting your weekends started.

1145
01:00:09,213 --> 01:00:22,453
Speaker 1: It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team on News Talks Bob.

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Speaker 4: Am.

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Speaker 2: I see producer Libby reckons this musician is angelic. That's

1148
01:00:33,413 --> 01:00:35,253
Speaker 2: the word that Libby used to describe her, and I

1149
01:00:35,293 --> 01:00:38,773
Speaker 2: reckon that sounds about right at first glance. Her name's

1150
01:00:38,813 --> 01:00:42,373
Speaker 2: Billy Martin. She's a Yorkshire born singer songwriter with her

1151
01:00:42,413 --> 01:00:45,373
Speaker 2: own quiet kind of magic. So she took off from

1152
01:00:45,373 --> 01:00:47,213
Speaker 2: the age of fifteen when she was nominated for the

1153
01:00:47,253 --> 01:00:50,933
Speaker 2: BBC's Sound of twenty sixteen award, and she's kind of

1154
01:00:50,973 --> 01:00:54,773
Speaker 2: known for having her own musical universe, and in that universe,

1155
01:00:55,133 --> 01:00:59,533
Speaker 2: softness can be as sharp as a sword. Music translates

1156
01:00:59,573 --> 01:01:02,853
Speaker 2: to a jazz folk daydream and intuition takes the lead.

1157
01:01:03,773 --> 01:01:07,613
Speaker 2: Her latest album is called Dog and she's kind of

1158
01:01:07,653 --> 01:01:10,333
Speaker 2: caught the attention of our music reviewer of Stelle Cliffe

1159
01:01:10,333 --> 01:01:12,413
Speaker 2: it in a major way. So Stelle's going to be

1160
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Speaker 2: with us before midday today to give us her thoughts

1161
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Speaker 2: on Dog ed and we will play you a couple

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Speaker 2: of songs. It is a beautiful kind of createl clear

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Speaker 2: crisp irony that I should be saying the words clear

1164
01:01:26,533 --> 01:01:29,493
Speaker 2: and crisp and a non clear and crisp way, But yeah,

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Speaker 2: it is a beautiful clear and crisp voice, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: So looking forward to listening to a bit more Billy

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Speaker 2: Martin and it's a bit of a Yorkshire theme after

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Speaker 2: eleven o'clock on News Talks theb because as well as

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Speaker 2: playing New Yorkshire's very owned Billy Martin, we are traveling

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Speaker 2: through Yorkshire. In our travel segment this morning, our travel

1171
01:01:45,413 --> 01:01:48,893
Speaker 2: correspondent has his top highlights from a trip to York

1172
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Speaker 2: that he's going to share, so look forward to that.

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Speaker 2: Right now, it is twenty five minutes to eleven on Newstalks, ZEDB.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 11: How about that we can butter right?

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Speaker 2: And is it any cheaper?

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Speaker 11: No, it is not. In the midst of all of

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01:02:03,813 --> 01:02:05,933
Speaker 11: it was the Finance Minister Nikola Willis, who is with us?

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01:02:06,053 --> 01:02:08,093
Speaker 11: You look like you had a newsy in your handbag

1180
01:02:08,133 --> 01:02:09,173
Speaker 11: and you're going to gun them down.

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Speaker 14: If there wasn't a good explanation, then you came out

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Speaker 14: went out International markets.

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Speaker 11: No, not at all.

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Speaker 7: I was very clear that commodity prices internationally are the

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Speaker 7: major driver. But that also I was interested in how

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01:02:21,853 --> 01:02:25,013
Speaker 7: Fonterierra in the supermarkets divide the costs and the margin.

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Speaker 11: But you know that, you know how they do it

1188
01:02:26,773 --> 01:02:28,013
Speaker 11: because you worked for Fontira.

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Speaker 7: I worked for Fontierra nine years ago.

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Speaker 11: I never wed branded part of the business. Back Monday

1191
01:02:34,173 --> 01:02:37,253
Speaker 11: from six am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with Mayley's Real

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Speaker 11: Estate News Talk said, B, Yes, I.

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Speaker 2: Can't believe it's not. But I've been a funny old

1194
01:02:41,013 --> 01:02:43,013
Speaker 2: week on that front, Hassen that I can't say I

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01:02:43,253 --> 01:02:46,853
Speaker 2: was blown away with surprise when Fontira came out and said,

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Speaker 2: you know what, no, actually, we're not going to lower

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Speaker 2: our profits. We're not going to cut our cloth so

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Speaker 2: that Kiwis can have slightly cheaper butter. But yeah, very

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Speaker 2: interesting to watch it all unfold. And watching it unfold

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Speaker 2: was tech commentator Oscar Howell, who has noted that Fontira

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Speaker 2: has an interesting little scheme, a little incentive program underweight

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01:03:05,773 --> 01:03:08,973
Speaker 2: at the moment, qualifying farmers shareholders, which basically means that

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01:03:09,053 --> 01:03:11,213
Speaker 2: if they live up to various standards, they do what

1204
01:03:11,213 --> 01:03:14,093
Speaker 2: they're supposed to do under the cooperative, they can get

1205
01:03:14,133 --> 01:03:16,453
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred bucks a year as a subsidy to invest

1206
01:03:16,573 --> 01:03:20,213
Speaker 2: on on farm technology or services. Get I ask you

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Speaker 2: well in a jack thanks for having me, Yeah, thanks

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Speaker 2: for being with us. So what kind of on farm

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Speaker 2: tech are farmers using?

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Speaker 12: Well, currently, the kind of big things are pieces of

1211
01:03:33,173 --> 01:03:35,013
Speaker 12: tech that are going to make their life easier, give

1212
01:03:35,053 --> 01:03:38,053
Speaker 12: them better access to information, help them make decisions quicker.

1213
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Speaker 12: So you're looking at things like pasture management. You know,

1214
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Speaker 12: there's apps and dashboards out there like aim of Farming,

1215
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Speaker 12: which kind of you know, give them insights into pasture

1216
01:03:46,333 --> 01:03:49,613
Speaker 12: growth deficits and surpluses. You've got things like on farming

1217
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Speaker 12: accountancy data and insights optimization, things like trev all the

1218
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Speaker 12: way down to kind of how their animals are faring,

1219
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Speaker 12: recording all of their animal data, that sort of thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and increasingly farmers and museums, especially dairy farmers are

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01:04:02,853 --> 01:04:05,373
Speaker 2: using like wearables for cows, right, and I think of

1222
01:04:05,413 --> 01:04:09,413
Speaker 2: that amazing company which does the smart collars. But you've

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Speaker 2: got a survey here from twenty twenty three done by

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Speaker 2: a darien Z that I think shows about eighteen percent

1225
01:04:13,773 --> 01:04:16,053
Speaker 2: of farmers are now using wearables on their cows.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, and I mean that's translating to over eight hundred

1227
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Speaker 12: thousand cows across the country. It's up from about three

1228
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Speaker 12: percent and twenty eighteen, which, like you said, that they're

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Speaker 12: effectively smart watchers for cows and it gives farmers insights

1230
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Speaker 12: into all of the different things happening inside their head.

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Speaker 12: And yeah, again, it just goes to show farmers are

1232
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Speaker 12: really embracing technology to make their lives easier.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's funny because I think a lot of us who

1235
01:04:38,733 --> 01:04:40,853
Speaker 2: aren't farmers still think, oh, well, you know, it's all

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Speaker 2: about just growing good grass. And sure they might you know,

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Speaker 2: check a couple of diodes in the ground or whatever,

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Speaker 2: get a bit of a reading. Maybe they've got a

1239
01:04:46,733 --> 01:04:49,053
Speaker 2: rain gauge or two that's been digitized. But you know,

1240
01:04:49,133 --> 01:04:52,653
Speaker 2: what more can you really, you know, improve on the

1241
01:04:52,693 --> 01:04:56,973
Speaker 2: technology front on farms. But clearly, when it comes to productivity,

1242
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Speaker 2: technology is making some big grounds.

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Speaker 12: Technology it's just making such an incredible difference in the

1244
01:05:03,333 --> 01:05:05,853
Speaker 12: lives of farmers. You know, if they can make decisions quicker,

1245
01:05:06,013 --> 01:05:08,813
Speaker 12: if they can be better informed when they make those decisions,

1246
01:05:09,013 --> 01:05:12,173
Speaker 12: they can save so much time and so many resources,

1247
01:05:13,053 --> 01:05:13,933
Speaker 12: you know in the process.

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Speaker 2: And I see that part of the subs that he

1249
01:05:15,733 --> 01:05:18,253
Speaker 2: has been funded by Mars and Neisle too, which is

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Speaker 2: intriguing given they're the big kind of Fonterra buyers, right.

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Speaker 12: And I think that kind of comes down to what

1252
01:05:24,813 --> 01:05:28,333
Speaker 12: they see as their corporate social responsibility, you know, Fonterra

1253
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Speaker 12: New Zealand in general, we've got such a great reputation

1254
01:05:30,813 --> 01:05:33,653
Speaker 12: around the world for our milk, how high quality it is.

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Speaker 12: You know, we're seen as this beautiful grass fed you know,

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Speaker 12: animals producing high quality milk. And I think you know,

1257
01:05:40,533 --> 01:05:43,013
Speaker 12: companies like Mars and Nestle are keen to kind of

1258
01:05:43,093 --> 01:05:46,293
Speaker 12: kick in and help grow that image and obviously maintain

1259
01:05:46,333 --> 01:05:46,773
Speaker 12: that image.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing for farmers, Amazing for productivity. You know what, Oscar.

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Speaker 2: My only concern I don't see how this makes my

1262
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Speaker 2: butter and EA cheaper.

1263
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Speaker 4: Well, I know, I hate.

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Speaker 12: That's not my area of expecting.

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01:05:58,533 --> 01:06:00,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, fair enough to Hey, thank you for

1266
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Speaker 2: your time. We appreciate it. Ask her how in talking

1267
01:06:04,253 --> 01:06:06,093
Speaker 2: tech for us this week. It is a really interesting

1268
01:06:06,093 --> 01:06:08,573
Speaker 2: little scheme and amazing the extent to which farmers in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand are starting to use those wearables as well.

1270
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Speaker 2: Before eleven o'clock, we're in the garden. Next up, our

1271
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Speaker 2: personal finance expert with the implications for the massive surge

1272
01:06:17,413 --> 01:06:20,733
Speaker 2: in the number of New Zealanders applying for and being

1273
01:06:20,773 --> 01:06:24,013
Speaker 2: accepted for key we Saver hardship withdrawals. I mean, obviously

1274
01:06:24,053 --> 01:06:27,973
Speaker 2: the economic conditions have led to a lot of people

1275
01:06:28,173 --> 01:06:30,333
Speaker 2: tapping into their key we saver, but there are some

1276
01:06:30,453 --> 01:06:33,493
Speaker 2: big long term impacts.

1277
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Speaker 1: No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.

1278
01:06:38,213 --> 01:06:41,373
Speaker 4: Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talk Savvy.

1279
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Speaker 2: Seventeen minutes to eleven on News talksb SO. About five

1280
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Speaker 2: years ago, eighteen thousand, New Zealanders were making key We

1281
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Speaker 2: Saver hardship grant requests, but in the year to June,

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Speaker 2: fifty thousand New Zealanders have done it, so two and

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Speaker 2: a half times as many. And this has massive implications

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Speaker 2: down the line because of course U key We Saver

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Speaker 2: tends to compound over time. Dudson is here with her

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Speaker 2: thoughts for us this morning. Counter Lisa h Good morning Jack.

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Speaker 2: So you know, in some respects, I'm surprised it's not

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Speaker 2: more than fifty thousand people because if you look at

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Speaker 2: it as the total number of key We Savor members,

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Speaker 2: I think it's about one point six percent of key

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01:07:20,653 --> 01:07:23,933
Speaker 2: We Saber members are making hardship grant requests, which is

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Speaker 2: while you know much more than five years ago that

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Speaker 2: that's still as a total percentage of key We Saber members,

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Speaker 2: it's not. It's not massively high, right, It's not fifteen

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Speaker 2: or twenty percent or something like that. But I suppose

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Speaker 2: this just speaks to the kind of economic conditions that

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Speaker 2: people are experiencing.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, it does. And look, there's no question that

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Speaker 18: it's pretty challenging out there. I think the other side

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Speaker 18: of it is though, that there is quite a significant

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Speaker 18: string in the tail of taking your TV favor funds out,

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01:07:52,213 --> 01:07:54,573
Speaker 18: and that read recent article that came out was talking

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01:07:54,573 --> 01:07:57,493
Speaker 18: about that. You know, there's a forty thousand dollar opportunity

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01:07:57,533 --> 01:07:59,773
Speaker 18: cost for someone earning seventy five thousand dollars a year

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01:07:59,773 --> 01:08:02,373
Speaker 18: in their mid thirty So, you know, that's pretty significant.

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Speaker 18: And I don't know where the people really understand. You know,

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01:08:06,693 --> 01:08:08,733
Speaker 18: what takes me some of your keep me saving money

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01:08:08,733 --> 01:08:10,653
Speaker 18: out now might mean in the future.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So talk to us a bit more about

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01:08:12,693 --> 01:08:16,453
Speaker 2: that because obviously it compounds over time, which means that

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Speaker 2: whatever your take out now is going to be magnified.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, And look at look it is tough because we

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Speaker 18: set up I've got a company called National Capital that

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Speaker 18: for QV Save Advice business, and so a couple of

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Speaker 18: years ago we set up our Facebook page QUEP Save Money,

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01:08:30,453 --> 01:08:31,813
Speaker 18: and the best thing which was to try and help

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01:08:31,853 --> 01:08:34,653
Speaker 18: on the education side of things. Right, So what's happened

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01:08:34,733 --> 01:08:36,773
Speaker 18: with that Facebook page in the last few years is

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Speaker 18: now we've almost got four thousand members and almost all

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Speaker 18: the conversation is around taking your.

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Speaker 9: QV favor funds out.

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Speaker 18: So in some ways it's great that there's a resource

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01:08:44,693 --> 01:08:47,293
Speaker 18: out there to give people some guidance on that, but

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Speaker 18: these are some of the examples that I've seen recently. Right,

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01:08:50,613 --> 01:08:52,773
Speaker 18: you know, people saying, okay, well I need you need

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01:08:52,813 --> 01:08:55,093
Speaker 18: fifteen thousand dollars out of my kvsaver in order to

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01:08:55,093 --> 01:08:57,373
Speaker 18: buy a new car, right, and I'm like, okay, well,

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Speaker 18: I'm not sure that you're reading this thing. Fifteen thousand

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01:08:59,773 --> 01:09:02,733
Speaker 18: or comments around I'd like to send the keysaver out

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01:09:02,733 --> 01:09:04,493
Speaker 18: because I've got myself into a bit of trouble. But

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Speaker 18: there's a lot of gambling trainings on my account. Or

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Speaker 18: a recent one that I saw in the last couple

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Speaker 18: of weeks was saying, you know, like I got declined,

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Speaker 18: and they took a screenshot of what the leader was

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01:09:17,293 --> 01:09:19,093
Speaker 18: and it was saying, you know, we notice the high

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01:09:19,173 --> 01:09:22,493
Speaker 18: level of discretionary spending. So on one hand, it's wonderful

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Speaker 18: that there is this tool that people can access the

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01:09:25,373 --> 01:09:27,893
Speaker 18: keep we say, then when they're doing it tough, and

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01:09:27,973 --> 01:09:29,733
Speaker 18: quite frankly, there is a lot of people doing it tough.

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01:09:30,093 --> 01:09:33,013
Speaker 18: On the other hand, I'm kind of going, is it

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01:09:33,053 --> 01:09:37,213
Speaker 18: too easy? And you know, nice to have the you know,

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01:09:37,293 --> 01:09:39,413
Speaker 18: the safety there, But on the other side of it,

1344
01:09:39,253 --> 01:09:41,613
Speaker 18: is it too easy? And I see people in there going,

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01:09:41,613 --> 01:09:43,413
Speaker 18: oh well, I'm on my third on my fourth round.

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01:09:43,893 --> 01:09:45,213
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so you.

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Speaker 18: Know, I guess there's two sides to it.

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Speaker 2: So I went through the id's website and they say

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01:09:50,253 --> 01:09:53,133
Speaker 2: to withdraw savings, you need to provide evidence you are

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01:09:53,173 --> 01:09:58,173
Speaker 2: suffering significant financial hardship. I mean, so, do you think

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01:09:58,213 --> 01:10:01,213
Speaker 2: that maybe just the criteria aren't kind of strict enough,

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01:10:01,293 --> 01:10:03,773
Speaker 2: or if the application maybe isn't quite strict enough.

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Speaker 18: Well, I mean, adoiss, you know, I mean that's in

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01:10:06,493 --> 01:10:08,293
Speaker 18: some ways it's fairly black and white, but it's always

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01:10:08,333 --> 01:10:11,213
Speaker 18: open to interpretations, ye know. And I'm not the person

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01:10:11,253 --> 01:10:14,493
Speaker 18: on the other end, you know, receiving those applications and

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01:10:15,053 --> 01:10:17,853
Speaker 18: making those approvals or declining them. But what I am

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01:10:17,973 --> 01:10:20,853
Speaker 18: seeing in these forums is I kind of go I

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01:10:21,013 --> 01:10:22,933
Speaker 18: just get the feeling that some people are using a

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01:10:22,933 --> 01:10:25,893
Speaker 18: little bit too easily because it is there and not

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Speaker 18: actually realizing, you know, what the implications are over the

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Speaker 18: long term, because very few people would have actually got

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01:10:31,413 --> 01:10:34,253
Speaker 18: the calculator out and said, is there a better way

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Speaker 18: of doing this? Because there is a significant cost to

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Speaker 18: my financial future.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. So they've got a few like

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01:10:41,293 --> 01:10:43,493
Speaker 2: examples that they put in and it's stuff like can't

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01:10:43,533 --> 01:10:47,813
Speaker 2: meet minimum living expenses, you need to modify your homes

1369
01:10:47,813 --> 01:10:50,293
Speaker 2: to meet your special needs, can't pay the mortgage on

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01:10:50,293 --> 01:10:53,093
Speaker 2: the home you live in, that kind of stuff. But

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Speaker 2: there's also stuff that applies to family members which is interesting.

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Speaker 2: So funeral costs for a dependent family remember palliative care

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01:11:00,253 --> 01:11:02,373
Speaker 2: for a member or members dependent, So you know the

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01:11:02,453 --> 01:11:05,373
Speaker 2: stuff like that that also applies, which you know you

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01:11:05,373 --> 01:11:08,453
Speaker 2: can imagine there would be an EVIDENTI your base. But

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Speaker 2: when you see a serage like that, you do have

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01:11:10,493 --> 01:11:13,733
Speaker 2: to wonder, you know, if it's paying for cars or

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01:11:13,893 --> 01:11:18,533
Speaker 2: for for you know, nice nice want to haves rather

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Speaker 2: the need to have you do sort of wonder if

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Speaker 2: people are maybe well, but.

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Speaker 9: Also so people might still need that car.

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Speaker 2: You need to be fifteen grand right, well, that's right.

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Speaker 18: And then it's also what is the behavior that's been

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01:11:30,813 --> 01:11:32,933
Speaker 18: going on to get to that point, Like, you know,

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01:11:33,333 --> 01:11:35,533
Speaker 18: have you been super careful with your money? Have you

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01:11:35,573 --> 01:11:38,533
Speaker 18: been to see a budget advisor? You know, have you

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01:11:38,613 --> 01:11:40,573
Speaker 18: tried to find some extra part time work? Have you

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01:11:40,573 --> 01:11:41,773
Speaker 18: you know, had a bit of a tidey epic of

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Speaker 18: garage and you sold a few things on you know,

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Speaker 18: trade me and Facebook to try and raise some funds.

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Speaker 18: Have you done all those things before you got to

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Speaker 18: that point? So I don't necessarily know whether I question

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01:11:52,053 --> 01:11:54,173
Speaker 18: for most of it people at that point, but it's

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01:11:54,213 --> 01:11:56,133
Speaker 18: just like, what's gone on for them to get to

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Speaker 18: that point and was that absolutely necessary?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. You know, my thoughts on cars, you

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01:12:03,253 --> 01:12:04,893
Speaker 2: never never want to be a debt for a car,

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01:12:05,253 --> 01:12:07,213
Speaker 2: never never take it alone for a car.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, you could probably get a pretty good car for.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, exactly when you're in the when you're just

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01:12:14,693 --> 01:12:17,093
Speaker 2: you know, my idea of a car upgrade is going

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Speaker 2: from a Toyota Corolla to a Toyleter Corolla.

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Speaker 9: So you know, so you're still driving a pretty cheap carget.

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01:12:21,933 --> 01:12:25,013
Speaker 10: Still driving a Toyota Corolla, Lisa, you be pleased to that? Yeah,

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01:12:25,013 --> 01:12:28,453
Speaker 10: there you go, grads.

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01:12:27,613 --> 01:12:30,013
Speaker 2: Slightly newer than the last Toyter Corolla. You know, so

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Speaker 2: very fancy that.

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Speaker 4: You all right?

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Speaker 2: Great to chat as always appreciate your time, Lisa duds

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Speaker 2: in our Personal Finance Expert There it's ten to eleven

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01:12:37,933 --> 01:12:38,533
Speaker 2: on news talks.

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Speaker 1: You'd be guarding with still sharp one hundred bucks of

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01:12:41,733 --> 01:12:43,773
Speaker 1: free accessories on selected chain.

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01:12:43,573 --> 01:12:46,613
Speaker 2: Saws, climb past as our man in the garden. He's

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Speaker 2: with us this morning killed the route, Jack.

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Speaker 11: I wasn't a garden. I wasn't a big garden this morning.

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01:12:52,733 --> 01:12:54,853
Speaker 2: Oh your place or somewhere else.

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01:12:55,293 --> 01:12:59,893
Speaker 11: No fun, very good, okay, yeah yeah yeah. We were

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01:12:59,933 --> 01:13:03,333
Speaker 11: putting Eddie Eduard is by twelve year old Vinson. He

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Speaker 11: suddenly got interested in doing some work with Harriet, so

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Speaker 11: he decided to team up with me. We put five

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Speaker 11: trips down and this afternoon we're going to see who

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Speaker 11: got in.

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Speaker 2: Oh fantastic, Well can you catch something even in the

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01:13:15,133 --> 01:13:17,573
Speaker 2: last even in the next couple of outs.

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Speaker 11: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We put We put all

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Speaker 11: these these wonderful baits in, like frozen ducks and frozen pigeons,

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Speaker 11: and they chew on them and basically they're trapped, so

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Speaker 11: we we didn't put the ring around them their legs

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Speaker 11: and all the sort of nose and.

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Speaker 2: He broke up before do you say Harry hawk like

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Speaker 2: Harry hawks here, yes, here right, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah sorry.

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Speaker 11: And he and he's big enough to actually carry them

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01:13:45,053 --> 01:13:47,613
Speaker 11: and weigh them now, so we've got this little spring

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01:13:47,693 --> 01:13:50,853
Speaker 11: balance and then from the from the amount of weight

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01:13:51,013 --> 01:13:53,173
Speaker 11: that they put on. He tells me whether he thinks

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01:13:53,173 --> 01:13:55,773
Speaker 11: it's a male or a female, because the females are

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01:13:55,853 --> 01:13:57,933
Speaker 11: usually a boy. The kilo and the males are about

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01:13:58,133 --> 01:13:58,973
Speaker 11: six hunder ground.

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Speaker 2: Listen, do they have talons and they can they scratch

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01:14:01,493 --> 01:14:02,053
Speaker 2: you up badly?

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01:14:03,013 --> 01:14:05,253
Speaker 11: Well, the talons are very hard to get out of

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01:14:05,293 --> 01:14:08,373
Speaker 11: your hand. You use your teeth to get them out.

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01:14:08,693 --> 01:14:09,973
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm not joking.

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01:14:10,253 --> 01:14:13,893
Speaker 11: They are. That's serious stuff. So he has learned, he

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01:14:14,013 --> 01:14:15,253
Speaker 11: learns how to hold them and.

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01:14:15,293 --> 01:14:22,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, that kind of thing. No, wow, man, use your hands. Yeah,

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01:14:24,773 --> 01:14:26,413
Speaker 2: that sounds like fun, that sounds amazing.

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01:14:27,493 --> 01:14:31,333
Speaker 11: Yeah, these things they go on, these things, of course

1450
01:14:31,333 --> 01:14:34,333
Speaker 11: do a job on the planet because they actually eat

1451
01:14:34,573 --> 01:14:37,333
Speaker 11: dead birds and things like that that they find. That's

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01:14:37,373 --> 01:14:40,453
Speaker 11: how we trap them. So when I thought last week

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01:14:40,493 --> 01:14:42,693
Speaker 11: we talked about other things that you know, and what

1454
01:14:42,813 --> 01:14:45,173
Speaker 11: the jobs they do on the planet, So I thought

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01:14:45,213 --> 01:14:46,413
Speaker 11: i'd carry on a little.

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01:14:46,253 --> 01:14:48,253
Speaker 2: Bit please time. Yeah right yeah.

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Speaker 11: Yeah. So for instance, and you'll see that the people

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01:14:52,453 --> 01:14:54,093
Speaker 11: that you can see it on the website. Of course,

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01:14:54,453 --> 01:14:57,973
Speaker 11: crane flies. You know, you know crane flies, don't you

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01:14:58,053 --> 01:15:00,613
Speaker 11: Those are those big, deady, long leg flies that sit

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01:15:00,653 --> 01:15:03,813
Speaker 11: on the wall. Right. Yeah. Well, the babies basically they

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Speaker 11: were an absolutely brilliant job in your vegetab garden because

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01:15:07,213 --> 01:15:10,733
Speaker 11: they sit in the soil and make holes and tunnels

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01:15:11,133 --> 01:15:16,253
Speaker 11: and they literally create very fertile soil that way. So

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01:15:16,493 --> 01:15:20,333
Speaker 11: that's what they do. It's absolutely wonderful. They clean, They

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01:15:20,373 --> 01:15:22,773
Speaker 11: clean the soil and so on and so forth. So

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01:15:22,853 --> 01:15:26,333
Speaker 11: that is exactly what they do. And and you ask

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01:15:26,453 --> 01:15:30,253
Speaker 11: anybody what do butterflies do, and and flies, and of

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01:15:30,293 --> 01:15:31,493
Speaker 11: course they're pollinators.

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Speaker 4: Yeah they do.

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Speaker 11: They do nothing in your garden but fertilize everything that flowers.

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Speaker 2: And we were a few weeks ago obviously that the

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01:15:42,333 --> 01:15:45,693
Speaker 2: number of butterflies is just ridiculous. You know, they have

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01:15:45,893 --> 01:15:48,253
Speaker 2: they have all these kind of butterfly sanctuaries and things.

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01:15:48,253 --> 01:15:50,213
Speaker 2: But yeah, and presumably they're all doing the same.

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01:15:50,013 --> 01:15:53,853
Speaker 11: Thing they do, that's their job. Yeah, And guess what

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01:15:54,053 --> 01:15:56,933
Speaker 11: tukon does the same sort of thing. It eats the

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01:15:56,973 --> 01:16:00,413
Speaker 11: fruits of everything that has been fertilized and then they

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01:16:00,453 --> 01:16:03,653
Speaker 11: pull out the seed, so they are actually seed disperses.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you're right, not very good.

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01:16:06,933 --> 01:16:10,213
Speaker 11: All these things going on there. So there's parasitic wasps

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01:16:10,253 --> 01:16:12,253
Speaker 11: and I put some pictures in their sall ones that

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01:16:12,413 --> 01:16:18,253
Speaker 11: lay eggs inside caterpillars, and those eggs hatch inside those

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01:16:18,293 --> 01:16:22,293
Speaker 11: caterpillars into little wasps babies, if you like, and they

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01:16:22,373 --> 01:16:25,893
Speaker 11: basically kill all the pests you don't want the garden.

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01:16:26,013 --> 01:16:28,173
Speaker 11: So you know, you can say what you like about them,

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01:16:28,173 --> 01:16:29,333
Speaker 11: but they do a good job.

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01:16:29,693 --> 01:16:35,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah nice. The dung beetles love a dung beetles,

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01:16:35,173 --> 01:16:37,133
Speaker 2: absolutely love a dunkle. Think you're so cute.

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Speaker 11: We've got they're lovely. We've got about seven or eight

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01:16:39,893 --> 01:16:42,933
Speaker 11: species in New Zealand now and dung Beetle Innovation is

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01:16:42,973 --> 01:16:46,853
Speaker 11: looking after them. These guys basically put dun back into

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01:16:46,893 --> 01:16:50,813
Speaker 11: the soil by burying it deep down and thereby making

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Speaker 11: your garden quite or in this case you're fun quite

1495
01:16:54,293 --> 01:16:57,533
Speaker 11: fertile again, and that that is absolutely brilliant how they

1496
01:16:57,533 --> 01:17:00,173
Speaker 11: do that. And the cool thing is we've just realized

1497
01:17:00,453 --> 01:17:05,773
Speaker 11: that they actually also change the cycle of of of

1498
01:17:06,213 --> 01:17:10,053
Speaker 11: all the If you're like carbon that usually needs to

1499
01:17:10,093 --> 01:17:12,573
Speaker 11: be taken into the soil, and dun burtles do that

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01:17:12,773 --> 01:17:15,333
Speaker 11: too where it belongs in the soil.

1501
01:17:15,413 --> 01:17:18,853
Speaker 2: What about mosquitoes, what about why do we need mosquitoes?

1502
01:17:18,933 --> 01:17:19,093
Speaker 6: Rod?

1503
01:17:19,653 --> 01:17:23,773
Speaker 11: Everybody hates a good mosquito. A well females are the

1504
01:17:23,773 --> 01:17:26,893
Speaker 11: ones that bite people, but males do not bite. They

1505
01:17:27,013 --> 01:17:32,213
Speaker 11: are pollinators, yes, of all our native plants. It comes

1506
01:17:32,213 --> 01:17:32,653
Speaker 11: another thing.

1507
01:17:32,733 --> 01:17:35,933
Speaker 19: If mosquitoes fly around your garden, their food for native birds,

1508
01:17:35,973 --> 01:17:39,853
Speaker 19: for dragonflies, for spiders, for anything else that wants to

1509
01:17:39,893 --> 01:17:42,693
Speaker 19: eat that protein. And here it comes the coolest thing

1510
01:17:42,693 --> 01:17:44,093
Speaker 19: of all the mosquito larvae.

1511
01:17:44,133 --> 01:17:47,133
Speaker 11: Those rigulars that go up and down in your point,

1512
01:17:47,333 --> 01:17:51,613
Speaker 11: they clean the bacteria out of that water, so they

1513
01:17:51,733 --> 01:17:52,373
Speaker 11: clean water.

1514
01:17:53,733 --> 01:17:56,333
Speaker 2: Amazing. Hey begg you served me day, Catch you again

1515
01:17:56,373 --> 01:17:59,013
Speaker 2: next week. Road Climb Pass News is next on news Dogs.

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01:17:59,053 --> 01:18:03,093
Speaker 1: It'd be Saturday morning with Jack Tam keeping the conversation

1517
01:18:03,293 --> 01:18:05,293
Speaker 1: going through the weekend US talks.

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01:18:05,293 --> 01:18:05,613
Speaker 4: That'd be.

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01:18:30,613 --> 01:18:33,493
Speaker 2: Good morning. If you're just joining us today, great to

1520
01:18:33,533 --> 01:18:35,373
Speaker 2: have you here. I'm Jack taying with you through the

1521
01:18:35,493 --> 01:18:40,293
Speaker 2: midday on Newstalk ZB and our sustainability expert Kate Hall

1522
01:18:40,373 --> 01:18:43,293
Speaker 2: has had a pretty crazy couple of months. She has

1523
01:18:43,333 --> 01:18:46,173
Speaker 2: been expecting a baby. She's had a baby daughter Orchard,

1524
01:18:46,933 --> 01:18:50,453
Speaker 2: and you might remember that before going into labor, Kate

1525
01:18:50,573 --> 01:18:53,293
Speaker 2: had a whole set of plans about how she would

1526
01:18:53,293 --> 01:18:58,213
Speaker 2: try and maintain her sustainability ethos heading into motherhood. Top

1527
01:18:58,253 --> 01:19:00,293
Speaker 2: of the list for me, the one that stuck out

1528
01:19:00,333 --> 01:19:03,333
Speaker 2: to most of us was her plan to try and

1529
01:19:03,373 --> 01:19:07,293
Speaker 2: introduce the elimination method, which basically means teaching your baby

1530
01:19:08,533 --> 01:19:11,893
Speaker 2: to teaching your baby to be toilet trained as soon

1531
01:19:11,933 --> 01:19:14,453
Speaker 2: as possible, essentially going around a lot of the time

1532
01:19:14,493 --> 01:19:17,813
Speaker 2: without using nappies. Anyway, this is the first time that

1533
01:19:17,853 --> 01:19:20,253
Speaker 2: we've chatted to Kate Hall in a week while she's

1534
01:19:20,253 --> 01:19:22,013
Speaker 2: with us this morning. Great to have you back on

1535
01:19:22,053 --> 01:19:22,333
Speaker 2: the show.

1536
01:19:22,373 --> 01:19:24,573
Speaker 9: Good morning, good morning. Hello.

1537
01:19:25,013 --> 01:19:28,413
Speaker 2: This is the first time we have chatted since you

1538
01:19:28,573 --> 01:19:31,813
Speaker 2: have expanded your family. Congratulations, how are you doing?

1539
01:19:32,493 --> 01:19:35,653
Speaker 9: Thank you. I am actually doing really well. You know,

1540
01:19:35,973 --> 01:19:38,013
Speaker 9: a parent, you don't have.

1541
01:19:37,933 --> 01:19:39,613
Speaker 2: To say, you don't have to know.

1542
01:19:39,933 --> 01:19:44,173
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, no, but I genuinely mean it. I genuinely

1543
01:19:44,213 --> 01:19:45,693
Speaker 9: mean it in one moment.

1544
01:19:45,453 --> 01:19:48,093
Speaker 2: Here, yeah, okay, in this moment. Yes, as you say,

1545
01:19:48,093 --> 01:19:50,253
Speaker 2: there are ups and downs that I know many people

1546
01:19:50,293 --> 01:19:53,773
Speaker 2: will relate to, so give us that. What has what

1547
01:19:53,893 --> 01:19:55,693
Speaker 2: has surprised you about motherhood so far?

1548
01:19:57,013 --> 01:20:01,613
Speaker 9: In many ways? I mean every day has a surprise,

1549
01:20:01,693 --> 01:20:04,733
Speaker 9: but in many ways it is easier than I expected.

1550
01:20:04,893 --> 01:20:09,373
Speaker 9: Oh my god, no, no, no, I have I have a caveat,

1551
01:20:09,453 --> 01:20:11,973
Speaker 9: I have a little asterisk and little side note to that,

1552
01:20:12,973 --> 01:20:16,173
Speaker 9: because I have my parents close by and because I

1553
01:20:16,293 --> 01:20:19,733
Speaker 9: have a supportive partner. I honestly every day I just

1554
01:20:19,773 --> 01:20:21,773
Speaker 9: sit in awe of how do people do this on

1555
01:20:21,813 --> 01:20:26,373
Speaker 9: their own? So I literally just don't know they are superheroes.

1556
01:20:27,013 --> 01:20:29,773
Speaker 9: So that has surprised me with how much I need

1557
01:20:29,813 --> 01:20:32,493
Speaker 9: other people and how hard it is to ask for help.

1558
01:20:32,613 --> 01:20:33,733
Speaker 9: But I'm getting better at.

1559
01:20:33,613 --> 01:20:35,293
Speaker 2: That, so that's so good.

1560
01:20:35,853 --> 01:20:38,613
Speaker 9: It's been a big surprise, but a lovely one to

1561
01:20:38,613 --> 01:20:40,973
Speaker 9: be like, Oh, I have a community around me I

1562
01:20:41,013 --> 01:20:43,293
Speaker 9: can call on, so yeah.

1563
01:20:42,853 --> 01:20:47,413
Speaker 2: That makes a massive difference. So before you ducked off

1564
01:20:47,693 --> 01:20:51,173
Speaker 2: to become a mum, we talked about your kind of

1565
01:20:51,213 --> 01:20:53,933
Speaker 2: preparation and the ways in which you were trying to

1566
01:20:53,973 --> 01:21:01,013
Speaker 2: bring your sustainability philosophy to motherhood. And I remember one

1567
01:21:01,133 --> 01:21:05,253
Speaker 2: big plan ahead of every every other and that was

1568
01:21:05,293 --> 01:21:09,533
Speaker 2: your plan to be very considerate about when you use

1569
01:21:09,613 --> 01:21:13,493
Speaker 2: nappies and try and pack up on your child's signals

1570
01:21:14,093 --> 01:21:16,613
Speaker 2: yes for when they wanted to go to the toilet.

1571
01:21:16,653 --> 01:21:19,493
Speaker 2: And I can think, you know, what power to UK

1572
01:21:19,773 --> 01:21:23,653
Speaker 2: because I am not doing that. But how's that gone

1573
01:21:23,693 --> 01:21:23,973
Speaker 2: so far?

1574
01:21:24,853 --> 01:21:29,733
Speaker 9: Yeah, So, just to preface, my child always wears a nappy, right, Okay,

1575
01:21:29,813 --> 01:21:32,893
Speaker 9: so she always has a backup, like I'm not going

1576
01:21:32,973 --> 01:21:36,693
Speaker 9: to come around to someone's house and just lie and

1577
01:21:36,773 --> 01:21:38,813
Speaker 9: be like if they go, they go, you know.

1578
01:21:39,693 --> 01:21:40,973
Speaker 2: Okay, that's that's a big relation.

1579
01:21:41,213 --> 01:21:44,573
Speaker 9: We have nappies currently has one reusualies from day one,

1580
01:21:44,653 --> 01:21:47,133
Speaker 9: but again that's because I have support from my partner

1581
01:21:47,133 --> 01:21:47,533
Speaker 9: and stuff.

1582
01:21:47,653 --> 01:21:50,653
Speaker 2: So reusable are you've got the old cloth ones that

1583
01:21:50,733 --> 01:21:52,773
Speaker 2: you're kind of stew in a bucket of nappy sand

1584
01:21:52,853 --> 01:21:53,253
Speaker 2: or something.

1585
01:21:53,693 --> 01:21:58,413
Speaker 9: Yeah, son, there's the whole clean cloth nappies is a

1586
01:21:58,413 --> 01:22:02,053
Speaker 9: really cool space for knowing how to wash them. But yeah,

1587
01:22:02,093 --> 01:22:04,453
Speaker 9: we just use a cloth and then there's a cool

1588
01:22:04,493 --> 01:22:07,053
Speaker 9: little snappy thing. We're kind of like old gool safety

1589
01:22:07,053 --> 01:22:09,653
Speaker 9: pins so they used to use. So we just used

1590
01:22:09,893 --> 01:22:11,933
Speaker 9: it's pretty much just a square piece of fabric when

1591
01:22:11,933 --> 01:22:15,173
Speaker 9: she was tiny tiny, But now we use a variety

1592
01:22:15,413 --> 01:22:18,933
Speaker 9: of reusable nappies, which I'm going to be reviewing on

1593
01:22:18,973 --> 01:22:22,253
Speaker 9: my website and stuff in the future. But the elimination

1594
01:22:22,333 --> 01:22:25,453
Speaker 9: communication thing, I remember we had a chat and I

1595
01:22:25,653 --> 01:22:28,613
Speaker 9: genuinely like I was quite nervous to say it out

1596
01:22:28,653 --> 01:22:32,173
Speaker 9: loud on air because that's really daunting to you know,

1597
01:22:32,293 --> 01:22:34,213
Speaker 9: to commit to something before you know how it's going

1598
01:22:34,293 --> 01:22:37,653
Speaker 9: to go. However, even though I was prepared for it

1599
01:22:37,653 --> 01:22:39,653
Speaker 9: to fail, and I was kind of rolling my eyes

1600
01:22:39,693 --> 01:22:46,013
Speaker 9: at myself, it has gone brilliantly, and my child has

1601
01:22:46,213 --> 01:22:48,853
Speaker 9: she's you know, even at six weeks old, she did

1602
01:22:48,853 --> 01:22:51,533
Speaker 9: a four hour sleep stretch and had a dry nappion

1603
01:22:51,893 --> 01:22:54,773
Speaker 9: and as I picked her up, and I had kind

1604
01:22:54,773 --> 01:22:57,133
Speaker 9: of watched her cues and knew roughly, you know, when

1605
01:22:57,213 --> 01:22:59,293
Speaker 9: humans wake up from asleep, we often go to the

1606
01:22:59,293 --> 01:23:02,853
Speaker 9: toilet first, So I offered the potty to her and

1607
01:23:02,893 --> 01:23:04,693
Speaker 9: she went poos and weeds and went back to sleep.

1608
01:23:05,573 --> 01:23:08,733
Speaker 2: So there's great. Is there any possibility that was just

1609
01:23:08,733 --> 01:23:09,133
Speaker 2: a fluke?

1610
01:23:09,733 --> 01:23:12,533
Speaker 9: No, because it's happened at least six times.

1611
01:23:12,573 --> 01:23:15,493
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, Yeah, that's really good. And I mean you

1612
01:23:15,533 --> 01:23:18,333
Speaker 2: were pretty clear when you were talking about elimination communication

1613
01:23:18,373 --> 01:23:20,053
Speaker 2: that you didn't think it was going to work instantly.

1614
01:23:20,093 --> 01:23:22,653
Speaker 2: It's not like they come out the womb immediately like

1615
01:23:22,693 --> 01:23:24,413
Speaker 2: oh yeah, hey mom, I'm just gonna get other loo

1616
01:23:24,533 --> 01:23:27,013
Speaker 2: like that. It's kind of something you build towards. I

1617
01:23:27,053 --> 01:23:29,213
Speaker 2: remember too, like we got a few texts of people

1618
01:23:29,293 --> 01:23:31,533
Speaker 2: being like, okay streaming, but we actually quite a few

1619
01:23:31,533 --> 01:23:34,493
Speaker 2: messages people being like, this is how until you know,

1620
01:23:34,573 --> 01:23:36,893
Speaker 2: thirty years ago, forty years ago, this is how children

1621
01:23:36,933 --> 01:23:38,533
Speaker 2: were raised. Yeah yeah, yeah, well.

1622
01:23:38,613 --> 01:23:41,333
Speaker 9: Well we think what did they do before nappish? You know,

1623
01:23:41,453 --> 01:23:43,653
Speaker 9: like I found an old school as your friend sent

1624
01:23:43,733 --> 01:23:45,773
Speaker 9: a picture of an old school plunket book from like

1625
01:23:45,853 --> 01:23:49,213
Speaker 9: the nineteen sixties, and in it it was telling mothers

1626
01:23:49,693 --> 01:23:52,213
Speaker 9: because mothers are the people who the main key givers,

1627
01:23:52,253 --> 01:23:56,653
Speaker 9: then saying mothers, hold your baby out over a piece

1628
01:23:56,693 --> 01:23:57,333
Speaker 9: of newspaper.

1629
01:23:58,093 --> 01:23:58,573
Speaker 2: Wow.

1630
01:23:59,133 --> 01:24:01,893
Speaker 9: So and other cultures like this isn't new. You know,

1631
01:24:01,893 --> 01:24:04,773
Speaker 9: we call it elimination communication. But that's kind of what

1632
01:24:04,853 --> 01:24:07,293
Speaker 9: we're like, you know, we're trying to call it in

1633
01:24:07,293 --> 01:24:10,333
Speaker 9: the Western world. But really it's just you know, if

1634
01:24:10,373 --> 01:24:13,853
Speaker 9: my child wants feeding, like like you with your child too, Jack,

1635
01:24:13,893 --> 01:24:18,733
Speaker 9: it's you know, when they're hungry, right, you've had months

1636
01:24:18,733 --> 01:24:22,333
Speaker 9: of knowing their cues, but also especially when you know

1637
01:24:22,413 --> 01:24:25,413
Speaker 9: a mother has had months of the baby being inside them.

1638
01:24:25,693 --> 01:24:28,573
Speaker 9: It was so Orchard was born. Orchard is the name

1639
01:24:28,613 --> 01:24:31,173
Speaker 9: of my daughter. I know, it's weird, we'll go with that.

1640
01:24:32,813 --> 01:24:35,573
Speaker 9: She was born on a Thursday night, and then on

1641
01:24:35,733 --> 01:24:40,373
Speaker 9: Saturday morning I woke up and you know, I'm just delirious.

1642
01:24:40,773 --> 01:24:44,293
Speaker 9: I've just given birth. I'm in hospital, and I remembered,

1643
01:24:44,413 --> 01:24:46,613
Speaker 9: I remembered our conversation. I remember the books I had

1644
01:24:46,613 --> 01:24:49,213
Speaker 9: read about elimination communication, and I thought, well, I need

1645
01:24:49,253 --> 01:24:51,093
Speaker 9: to go to the toilet right now. So I picked

1646
01:24:51,093 --> 01:24:53,613
Speaker 9: her up and I held her over the potty and

1647
01:24:53,653 --> 01:25:00,533
Speaker 9: I caught her first Pernui's weird.

1648
01:25:02,253 --> 01:25:04,933
Speaker 2: It's not, it's amazing, Like, honestly, no, you do you

1649
01:25:04,973 --> 01:25:09,293
Speaker 2: there's my attitude, thank you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm really

1650
01:25:09,333 --> 01:25:11,413
Speaker 2: supportive of it, you know, And I think it's amazing

1651
01:25:11,453 --> 01:25:16,173
Speaker 2: you've done this. And I think, you know, in just

1652
01:25:16,213 --> 01:25:18,453
Speaker 2: a matter of time that's going to pass. Before you

1653
01:25:18,493 --> 01:25:21,093
Speaker 2: know it, you are going to be feeling so good

1654
01:25:21,213 --> 01:25:24,453
Speaker 2: because your heart is going to be way before mine.

1655
01:25:24,333 --> 01:25:27,573
Speaker 9: Yeah. Yeah, well people people keep saying, oh my gosh,

1656
01:25:27,813 --> 01:25:29,813
Speaker 9: you know, I'd love to do that. I just and

1657
01:25:29,973 --> 01:25:32,453
Speaker 9: I understand if you had other kids running around, it

1658
01:25:32,453 --> 01:25:35,173
Speaker 9: would be really hard, especially if you were going to

1659
01:25:35,293 --> 01:25:38,573
Speaker 9: like try it first off. But for me, I feel

1660
01:25:38,573 --> 01:25:41,093
Speaker 9: like I'm the lazy person because when you have a newborn,

1661
01:25:41,133 --> 01:25:44,333
Speaker 9: you're holding them lots anyway, and so instead of holding

1662
01:25:44,373 --> 01:25:47,133
Speaker 9: her and just watching her going her nappy, I hold

1663
01:25:47,173 --> 01:25:49,653
Speaker 9: her over a vessel or a toilet so I don't

1664
01:25:49,693 --> 01:25:52,653
Speaker 9: have to being cleaned something, so her skin's much better.

1665
01:25:53,213 --> 01:25:56,293
Speaker 9: I wash way less nappies, like about half the amount.

1666
01:25:57,333 --> 01:26:00,773
Speaker 9: It costs nothing, you know, like just hold them over

1667
01:26:00,813 --> 01:26:03,333
Speaker 9: a toilet. I was at my sister's house after going

1668
01:26:03,333 --> 01:26:05,893
Speaker 9: to the zoo on Thursday, and I was like, oh

1669
01:26:05,973 --> 01:26:07,493
Speaker 9: she might there you go be So I held her

1670
01:26:07,533 --> 01:26:10,493
Speaker 9: over my sister's toilet, hped, and my sister stood there going,

1671
01:26:11,093 --> 01:26:12,053
Speaker 9: who there care you?

1672
01:26:12,173 --> 01:26:15,053
Speaker 2: Yeah? That is amazing, I mean, yeah, yeah, it is.

1673
01:26:15,213 --> 01:26:18,133
Speaker 2: It really is incredible. Okay, well done? Well what else is?

1674
01:26:18,813 --> 01:26:19,053
Speaker 11: You know?

1675
01:26:19,573 --> 01:26:23,453
Speaker 2: Heading heading into this, you were, you know, thinking about

1676
01:26:23,493 --> 01:26:26,213
Speaker 2: the stuff you'd actually need. You were thinking about polite

1677
01:26:26,213 --> 01:26:28,613
Speaker 2: ways in which to decline hand me downs and that

1678
01:26:28,733 --> 01:26:33,613
Speaker 2: kind of thing. Has has your philosophy around sustainable parenting,

1679
01:26:33,733 --> 01:26:36,773
Speaker 2: especially in these early weeks and months, Has that been

1680
01:26:36,813 --> 01:26:38,773
Speaker 2: altered at all now that it's all real.

1681
01:26:39,933 --> 01:26:42,893
Speaker 9: I think, like my values have stayed the same. So

1682
01:26:42,933 --> 01:26:46,013
Speaker 9: I've tried really hard. Like I think a lot of

1683
01:26:46,053 --> 01:26:49,573
Speaker 9: people rightly so looked at me and thought, well, you know,

1684
01:26:49,813 --> 01:26:52,133
Speaker 9: just few waits until you have a baby. But I

1685
01:26:52,173 --> 01:26:54,733
Speaker 9: have tried hard over the last eight years to instill

1686
01:26:54,773 --> 01:26:59,173
Speaker 9: my own values, so my instinct is to stick to those,

1687
01:26:59,613 --> 01:27:02,533
Speaker 9: and I find when I go, oh, you know, I'll

1688
01:27:02,653 --> 01:27:05,853
Speaker 9: just I'll just do that, I'll just you know, kind

1689
01:27:05,893 --> 01:27:10,933
Speaker 9: of succome to like and ignore my instincts. That's been

1690
01:27:11,013 --> 01:27:14,813
Speaker 9: the rails fall off. So I find like, even even

1691
01:27:14,853 --> 01:27:19,133
Speaker 9: with her clothes at the start, I had all second

1692
01:27:19,173 --> 01:27:21,573
Speaker 9: hand clothes. I not bought her clothes, only a few

1693
01:27:21,573 --> 01:27:24,573
Speaker 9: ones from the thresh up, and I had them all

1694
01:27:24,613 --> 01:27:28,253
Speaker 9: out and her caddie like, you know, all roll them all,

1695
01:27:28,573 --> 01:27:31,613
Speaker 9: roll them all up, which doesn't last very long. But

1696
01:27:31,733 --> 01:27:34,173
Speaker 9: I've actually realized I just want to grab like one

1697
01:27:34,173 --> 01:27:36,453
Speaker 9: pair of pants, and I don't want to look at

1698
01:27:36,453 --> 01:27:38,173
Speaker 9: all the different colors, and I don't want to have

1699
01:27:38,213 --> 01:27:42,533
Speaker 9: to decide. It's the decision fatigue. So there's lots of

1700
01:27:42,573 --> 01:27:45,493
Speaker 9: thoughts going through my mind. Sleep sepervation is a thing.

1701
01:27:45,853 --> 01:27:48,493
Speaker 9: But I just now have a casual wardrobe for her,

1702
01:27:48,893 --> 01:27:52,013
Speaker 9: and it works really well because I'm doing the washing

1703
01:27:52,053 --> 01:27:55,533
Speaker 9: a lot anyway, because I have Reisbor nappies and I'm

1704
01:27:55,653 --> 01:27:58,613
Speaker 9: so grateful, you know, all of the second hand clothes

1705
01:27:58,653 --> 01:28:00,973
Speaker 9: that she has, but I just don't need as much,

1706
01:28:01,453 --> 01:28:04,813
Speaker 9: so going into it, I thought I've got these second hand,

1707
01:28:05,293 --> 01:28:08,573
Speaker 9: but I just don't. I still don't need them, So

1708
01:28:08,613 --> 01:28:11,413
Speaker 9: I'm going to distribute all of those things to other parents.

1709
01:28:11,493 --> 01:28:15,213
Speaker 2: Yeah right, oh, good for you. That's great. Yeah, it'll

1710
01:28:15,213 --> 01:28:17,173
Speaker 2: be really interesting over the next couple of months to

1711
01:28:17,253 --> 01:28:19,213
Speaker 2: kind of plot this. Obviously a lot changes in a

1712
01:28:19,253 --> 01:28:21,893
Speaker 2: short period of time, so ye be intriguing to see

1713
01:28:21,933 --> 01:28:24,333
Speaker 2: how the kind of things that were easy would be

1714
01:28:24,373 --> 01:28:26,533
Speaker 2: harder and as well exactly.

1715
01:28:26,613 --> 01:28:31,093
Speaker 9: And I do have eleven disposal and nappies literally sitting

1716
01:28:31,173 --> 01:28:32,613
Speaker 9: right there.

1717
01:28:32,053 --> 01:28:35,933
Speaker 2: You monster, I know. Oh my gosh.

1718
01:28:35,973 --> 01:28:39,013
Speaker 9: Yeah, I actually like I want to use like I

1719
01:28:39,053 --> 01:28:42,813
Speaker 9: said to my family and friends, if you want to

1720
01:28:42,893 --> 01:28:47,133
Speaker 9: use disposals, you know, like just by the by the disposals,

1721
01:28:47,133 --> 01:28:49,173
Speaker 9: like if you're going to care for my child, you know.

1722
01:28:49,413 --> 01:28:53,493
Speaker 9: For me, it's about keeping a realistic perspective and actually

1723
01:28:53,573 --> 01:28:56,413
Speaker 9: just being like, Okay, what do I need right now?

1724
01:28:56,413 --> 01:28:59,933
Speaker 9: I need to sleep, I need the basics, and just yeah,

1725
01:29:00,053 --> 01:29:03,573
Speaker 9: kind of not holding on to your values and aligning

1726
01:29:03,613 --> 01:29:07,853
Speaker 9: them too hard, because yeah, that makes someone stupid. Disaster.

1727
01:29:08,053 --> 01:29:11,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh well, look, congratulations, Kate. It's so good to chat.

1728
01:29:11,053 --> 01:29:12,893
Speaker 2: We can't wait to see how this goes over the

1729
01:29:12,973 --> 01:29:15,573
Speaker 2: next week while, but congratulations.

1730
01:29:14,693 --> 01:29:15,733
Speaker 11: On the arrival of Ward.

1731
01:29:16,333 --> 01:29:17,173
Speaker 9: Thank you so much.

1732
01:29:17,533 --> 01:29:21,613
Speaker 2: That is Kate Hall, our sustainability expert. Honestly good on her.

1733
01:29:22,333 --> 01:29:25,133
Speaker 2: Good on Kate. You know, there were there were a

1734
01:29:25,173 --> 01:29:29,093
Speaker 2: few people who said, nah, Kate, you're absolutely dreaming, and

1735
01:29:29,373 --> 01:29:31,093
Speaker 2: I don't. I just think it sounds like she's doing

1736
01:29:31,093 --> 01:29:33,653
Speaker 2: such an amazing job, and you know, all credit to her.

1737
01:29:34,493 --> 01:29:38,813
Speaker 2: Jack says Kimella. My wife's from Uzbekistan and did the

1738
01:29:38,813 --> 01:29:41,093
Speaker 2: same thing. The kids were tailet trained by two years old.

1739
01:29:41,493 --> 01:29:41,693
Speaker 6: Jack.

1740
01:29:41,733 --> 01:29:44,693
Speaker 2: We were born in the sixties. My mother used cloth nappies.

1741
01:29:45,053 --> 01:29:47,253
Speaker 2: My mother was born in the forties and she had

1742
01:29:47,253 --> 01:29:50,173
Speaker 2: cloth nappies used on her. I used cloth nappies on

1743
01:29:50,213 --> 01:29:52,533
Speaker 2: my two in the nineties. This is nothing new, yeah,

1744
01:29:52,573 --> 01:29:54,413
Speaker 2: I mean we had cloth nappies when I was a

1745
01:29:54,493 --> 01:29:56,493
Speaker 2: kid as well. Cloth nappies are definitely not new. I

1746
01:29:56,933 --> 01:29:59,773
Speaker 2: mean the elimination method given the like if you had

1747
01:29:59,773 --> 01:30:03,533
Speaker 2: to think about it as a percentage of incomes, right,

1748
01:30:04,093 --> 01:30:07,733
Speaker 2: so there's a percentage of incomes. I think disposable nappies

1749
01:30:07,733 --> 01:30:11,373
Speaker 2: are much more, not much more, but are more affordable

1750
01:30:11,413 --> 01:30:13,213
Speaker 2: today than they were in the past. Like I remember

1751
01:30:13,253 --> 01:30:16,573
Speaker 2: Mum saying to us that disposable nappies existed when I

1752
01:30:16,613 --> 01:30:19,093
Speaker 2: was a baby, but my parents can afford them, especially

1753
01:30:19,093 --> 01:30:22,133
Speaker 2: with four kids. Like, they're really expensive, and so they

1754
01:30:22,173 --> 01:30:27,013
Speaker 2: probably have become less expensive relative to the average wage.

1755
01:30:27,333 --> 01:30:31,373
Speaker 2: That being said, the number of households that have two

1756
01:30:31,413 --> 01:30:34,733
Speaker 2: parents working and have to have two parents working today

1757
01:30:35,093 --> 01:30:37,213
Speaker 2: just to tick over the bills and stuff compared to

1758
01:30:37,773 --> 01:30:40,373
Speaker 2: you know, decades past, is also probably a lot higher.

1759
01:30:40,373 --> 01:30:43,933
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think Kate is doing an incredible job,

1760
01:30:43,973 --> 01:30:45,493
Speaker 2: So thank you for that. Ninety two ninety two If

1761
01:30:45,533 --> 01:30:47,853
Speaker 2: you want to send us a message as well, Jacket

1762
01:30:47,853 --> 01:30:51,453
Speaker 2: Newstalks dB dot co dot nz, How Travel Correspondents, And

1763
01:30:51,453 --> 01:30:54,133
Speaker 2: next he's taking us on a trip to York. I

1764
01:30:54,133 --> 01:30:57,733
Speaker 2: think York's still a walled city. I'm if I'm thinking right.

1765
01:30:57,773 --> 01:30:59,613
Speaker 2: So we'll get his top tips for visiting York in

1766
01:30:59,653 --> 01:31:00,213
Speaker 2: a few minutes.

1767
01:31:00,973 --> 01:31:04,613
Speaker 1: Travel with Wendy Wouts Where the World is yours book?

1768
01:31:04,693 --> 01:31:08,293
Speaker 2: Now How Travel correspond is Mike Yardley. He's here this morning.

1769
01:31:08,293 --> 01:31:12,293
Speaker 3: Hey Mike, Good morning Jack from marouci Do or future

1770
01:31:12,333 --> 01:31:16,053
Speaker 3: home of the athlete's village of the twenty thirty two Olympics.

1771
01:31:16,133 --> 01:31:18,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, how good? Is it? A nice morning? They're nice

1772
01:31:18,773 --> 01:31:21,293
Speaker 2: and warm, quite nice.

1773
01:31:21,373 --> 01:31:24,813
Speaker 3: Ye're heading from about twenty two, so stiflingly hot but

1774
01:31:25,013 --> 01:31:25,733
Speaker 3: very pleasant.

1775
01:31:25,893 --> 01:31:28,973
Speaker 2: Yes, it's very nice. We break very nippy here, so

1776
01:31:29,213 --> 01:31:31,693
Speaker 2: you know, I take that. I think exactly sounds pretty

1777
01:31:31,733 --> 01:31:34,853
Speaker 2: pretty damn good. I mean, I know that they're very organized,

1778
01:31:34,893 --> 01:31:37,093
Speaker 2: but like the do you get a sense that they

1779
01:31:37,093 --> 01:31:39,053
Speaker 2: still have I mean, obviously still a bit of work

1780
01:31:39,093 --> 01:31:40,733
Speaker 2: to do, but like are they you know, do you

1781
01:31:40,733 --> 01:31:43,533
Speaker 2: get a sceense? Does it feel like it's gonna like

1782
01:31:43,693 --> 01:31:45,653
Speaker 2: it's an Olympic village where you are? You know?

1783
01:31:46,173 --> 01:31:48,813
Speaker 3: No, they used to build it, but I think there's

1784
01:31:48,853 --> 01:31:52,253
Speaker 3: a lot of buying and support for the idea of

1785
01:31:52,293 --> 01:31:54,973
Speaker 3: having the village in Marouchi. Also, it's about nineteen minutes

1786
01:31:55,013 --> 01:31:58,573
Speaker 3: north of Brisbane, which is interesting. But something interesting over

1787
01:31:58,693 --> 01:32:03,853
Speaker 3: night Jack the rowing course was destined for the Fitzroy River,

1788
01:32:04,093 --> 01:32:08,453
Speaker 3: even further north from Marouci, but now a huge spanner

1789
01:32:08,493 --> 01:32:11,693
Speaker 3: has been thrown on the works because apparently there's been

1790
01:32:11,733 --> 01:32:17,173
Speaker 3: a booming population of crocodiles Troy. Just imagine that for

1791
01:32:17,213 --> 01:32:18,173
Speaker 3: the Olympic Games.

1792
01:32:19,453 --> 01:32:21,613
Speaker 2: It would be extra I mean, there's sort of enough

1793
01:32:21,693 --> 01:32:23,413
Speaker 2: jeopardy as it is when it comes to a gold

1794
01:32:23,453 --> 01:32:25,333
Speaker 2: metal race. But my goodness, let to take them to

1795
01:32:25,373 --> 01:32:29,973
Speaker 2: the next little isn't it. Yeah, that's amazing. So anyway,

1796
01:32:29,973 --> 01:32:34,933
Speaker 2: we're focusing on a destination slightly further afield this morning.

1797
01:32:35,533 --> 01:32:38,613
Speaker 2: You're sharing with us your favorite science and stories in York,

1798
01:32:38,933 --> 01:32:42,933
Speaker 2: which is where our producer Libya is from. It is

1799
01:32:42,973 --> 01:32:45,333
Speaker 2: also where my family's from. Once upon a time, I

1800
01:32:45,373 --> 01:32:48,653
Speaker 2: believe the Thames have there's some strand of the Tame

1801
01:32:48,733 --> 01:32:51,493
Speaker 2: family from Yorkshire. So the year ago. And it's a

1802
01:32:51,493 --> 01:32:52,253
Speaker 2: walled city.

1803
01:32:52,093 --> 01:32:55,973
Speaker 3: Right it is, Jack and walk these wolves because they

1804
01:32:56,013 --> 01:32:59,133
Speaker 3: are such a sublime piece of history that the ancient

1805
01:32:59,213 --> 01:33:03,693
Speaker 3: Romans first built. I love walled cities because they always

1806
01:33:03,733 --> 01:33:06,333
Speaker 3: seem to encase the city that is compact, you know,

1807
01:33:06,533 --> 01:33:11,573
Speaker 3: it's defined, it's cobbled and cohesive. And York's walls are

1808
01:33:11,613 --> 01:33:15,373
Speaker 3: also a monument to Constantine the Great, perhaps the city's

1809
01:33:15,373 --> 01:33:19,053
Speaker 3: most famous past resident. It was really interesting he commissioned

1810
01:33:19,053 --> 01:33:23,453
Speaker 3: these wars and actually became Emperor of Rome while he

1811
01:33:23,653 --> 01:33:25,693
Speaker 3: was in York. So I think a lot of the

1812
01:33:25,693 --> 01:33:28,613
Speaker 3: locals consider him a local, even though he was head

1813
01:33:28,613 --> 01:33:29,453
Speaker 3: of the Roman Empire.

1814
01:33:29,613 --> 01:33:31,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh that's amazing. So who are some of the

1815
01:33:32,173 --> 01:33:35,733
Speaker 2: other kind of major historical figures who are intimately connected with.

1816
01:33:35,813 --> 01:33:40,333
Speaker 3: York well aside from the team Ifano and being the

1817
01:33:40,333 --> 01:33:44,853
Speaker 3: birthplace of producer Libby. Two very bad buggers. Dick Turpin,

1818
01:33:45,293 --> 01:33:48,893
Speaker 3: the notorious highway robber. He's buried in York. In fact,

1819
01:33:49,133 --> 01:33:53,173
Speaker 3: he jumped off the gallows platform and killed himself before

1820
01:33:53,173 --> 01:33:53,973
Speaker 3: they could hang him.

1821
01:33:54,693 --> 01:33:55,573
Speaker 11: Just imagine that.

1822
01:33:56,533 --> 01:33:59,213
Speaker 3: My grandparents Jack, They once told me that one of

1823
01:33:59,253 --> 01:34:03,213
Speaker 3: Turpin's sidekicks is in our family tree, which may explain

1824
01:34:03,333 --> 01:34:06,973
Speaker 3: quite a lot. Yeah. And then there's Guy Fawkes who

1825
01:34:07,093 --> 01:34:10,853
Speaker 3: was born just behind york Minster. And one of the

1826
01:34:10,893 --> 01:34:14,373
Speaker 3: best old boozes in York is the Guy Fawkes. And

1827
01:34:14,533 --> 01:34:18,493
Speaker 3: I love to this place. It's got marvelously wonky wooden floors.

1828
01:34:18,973 --> 01:34:22,653
Speaker 3: You get a history lesson on Yorkshire's notorious plotter, and

1829
01:34:22,733 --> 01:34:25,813
Speaker 3: he was actually a regular there before. Of course they

1830
01:34:25,933 --> 01:34:26,813
Speaker 3: named it after him.

1831
01:34:27,093 --> 01:34:29,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh amazing. So how many years did it take

1832
01:34:29,533 --> 01:34:31,053
Speaker 2: to build Yorkminster.

1833
01:34:31,693 --> 01:34:34,333
Speaker 3: Two hundred and fifty years. So with a bit of Patients,

1834
01:34:34,413 --> 01:34:37,493
Speaker 3: christ Church Cathedral might indeed be finished one day. You know,

1835
01:34:37,813 --> 01:34:43,693
Speaker 3: Patients is a virgin but York Munster it is such

1836
01:34:43,733 --> 01:34:48,253
Speaker 3: a honey hued colossus towering above the tangle of all

1837
01:34:48,253 --> 01:34:52,293
Speaker 3: of those slinky old streets, and it's emblazoned with over

1838
01:34:52,333 --> 01:34:54,853
Speaker 3: one hundred stained glass windows. And then there's all the

1839
01:34:55,333 --> 01:35:01,813
Speaker 3: little curious, amusing touches like the nose picking gargoyles, which

1840
01:35:01,853 --> 01:35:04,933
Speaker 3: the kids absolutely love. The other great symbol of York,

1841
01:35:04,973 --> 01:35:09,733
Speaker 3: by the way, is the Shambles are perfectly imperfect medieval

1842
01:35:09,813 --> 01:35:12,413
Speaker 3: street that used to be home to York's potches. And

1843
01:35:12,453 --> 01:35:15,333
Speaker 3: I was intrigue that the shadiness of the street was

1844
01:35:15,453 --> 01:35:19,893
Speaker 3: actually deliberately designed so that the shelves of meat, you know,

1845
01:35:19,973 --> 01:35:20,693
Speaker 3: were protected.

1846
01:35:20,893 --> 01:35:23,133
Speaker 2: Ah right, yeah, that makes sense. So what are some

1847
01:35:23,173 --> 01:35:25,653
Speaker 2: of the kind of key experiences in the Shambles.

1848
01:35:26,533 --> 01:35:29,013
Speaker 3: Well, I just love the spectacle of it, because all

1849
01:35:29,053 --> 01:35:31,933
Speaker 3: of those half timbered, crooked buildings, they seem to teeter

1850
01:35:32,413 --> 01:35:36,053
Speaker 3: at the most implausible angles. You expect the whole thing

1851
01:35:36,133 --> 01:35:39,133
Speaker 3: just to implode. You know, it's just so extreme, the

1852
01:35:39,173 --> 01:35:42,533
Speaker 3: angles of those buildings. But obviously the street and its

1853
01:35:42,573 --> 01:35:46,733
Speaker 3: history gives rise to some very pricey real estate. So

1854
01:35:46,773 --> 01:35:50,093
Speaker 3: the ariswagger shops in the street, but they do tend

1855
01:35:50,133 --> 01:35:52,573
Speaker 3: to be boutiqui an artisan, so you can go to

1856
01:35:52,613 --> 01:35:58,773
Speaker 3: places like Monk Bar, Chocolate Tears, Shambles Kitchen for very poshnosh.

1857
01:35:58,813 --> 01:36:00,853
Speaker 3: But Jack, if you happen to be shopping for a

1858
01:36:00,933 --> 01:36:05,653
Speaker 3: wand you're in luck because the Shambles is home to

1859
01:36:05,733 --> 01:36:09,973
Speaker 3: the shop that must not be named, which spills with

1860
01:36:10,013 --> 01:36:13,293
Speaker 3: official Harry Potter paraphernalia. And I think the Shambles was

1861
01:36:13,333 --> 01:36:17,733
Speaker 3: actually the inspiration for Diagon Valley in the Harry Potter.

1862
01:36:18,173 --> 01:36:20,373
Speaker 2: That's fun. Oh that's cool, Yeah, because I suppose I

1863
01:36:20,373 --> 01:36:22,693
Speaker 2: mean they say it not even that far from Edinburgh? Really,

1864
01:36:22,693 --> 01:36:24,573
Speaker 2: are you quite fun northul Yes? So you could just

1865
01:36:24,613 --> 01:36:28,173
Speaker 2: duck down the train. Yeah, so you mentioned the fancy nash.

1866
01:36:28,213 --> 01:36:30,253
Speaker 2: What would be your top if you recommend at eats

1867
01:36:30,253 --> 01:36:30,693
Speaker 2: in York?

1868
01:36:31,573 --> 01:36:33,933
Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting a lot of young professionals have been

1869
01:36:33,973 --> 01:36:37,093
Speaker 3: flocking to York in recent years because house prices are

1870
01:36:37,213 --> 01:36:41,653
Speaker 3: actually still decidedly cheaper than London. So that's given rise

1871
01:36:41,733 --> 01:36:44,933
Speaker 3: to quite a new wave of very trendy eateries and

1872
01:36:44,973 --> 01:36:47,933
Speaker 3: bakeries to sort of shake things up. I went to

1873
01:36:47,973 --> 01:36:50,693
Speaker 3: a place called the Shambles Sausage and Pie Company. Oh

1874
01:36:50,733 --> 01:36:53,693
Speaker 3: my goodness, talk about gourmet. But you've got to be

1875
01:36:53,733 --> 01:36:57,333
Speaker 3: there before midday to bag the best pies. Hex By

1876
01:36:57,533 --> 01:37:01,133
Speaker 3: Bakehouse man, go there for the slow cocked beef cheek

1877
01:37:01,493 --> 01:37:06,733
Speaker 3: and chili jam Sowdo Sammy so good. Yeah, and if

1878
01:37:06,773 --> 01:37:10,293
Speaker 3: you want to go old school, you cannot beat Betty's

1879
01:37:10,373 --> 01:37:13,333
Speaker 3: tea rooms in cafe. It's the bomb. This is like

1880
01:37:13,893 --> 01:37:18,573
Speaker 3: a resolute York landmark, and you will have to cure

1881
01:37:18,573 --> 01:37:22,053
Speaker 3: around the clock to get a prime table. But the ambience,

1882
01:37:22,133 --> 01:37:25,573
Speaker 3: the food, the cakes, the pastries, they are unbeatable.

1883
01:37:25,693 --> 01:37:25,813
Speaker 5: Ah.

1884
01:37:25,933 --> 01:37:28,733
Speaker 2: How good did you uncover any quirky haunts?

1885
01:37:29,853 --> 01:37:30,013
Speaker 11: Well?

1886
01:37:30,133 --> 01:37:34,173
Speaker 3: York is supposedly Europe's most haunted city. I was talking

1887
01:37:34,213 --> 01:37:36,973
Speaker 3: to a local who was adamant that the Golden Fleece

1888
01:37:37,053 --> 01:37:39,653
Speaker 3: Pub has fifteen resident ghosts.

1889
01:37:40,533 --> 01:37:41,613
Speaker 2: Oh wow, so.

1890
01:37:42,213 --> 01:37:47,173
Speaker 3: There are twos galore if haunted sightings as your bag.

1891
01:37:47,693 --> 01:37:51,533
Speaker 3: I checked out a rather quirky trail called the Cat Hunt.

1892
01:37:52,013 --> 01:37:55,413
Speaker 3: And this all began over a century ago, Jack, when

1893
01:37:55,453 --> 01:38:00,653
Speaker 3: a resident installed two black cat sculptures, apparently to scare

1894
01:38:00,693 --> 01:38:04,613
Speaker 3: away the rats, and the idea caught on sort of

1895
01:38:04,653 --> 01:38:08,573
Speaker 3: like scarecrows, get I guess, So lots of locals sort

1896
01:38:08,613 --> 01:38:11,573
Speaker 3: of pitched in and now there are all sorts of

1897
01:38:11,613 --> 01:38:15,893
Speaker 3: black cat figures and sculptures. They even crown the roofline

1898
01:38:16,133 --> 01:38:19,853
Speaker 3: of some buildings around York, so you can check them

1899
01:38:19,893 --> 01:38:23,093
Speaker 3: all out on a dedicated trail, which culminates, I have

1900
01:38:23,173 --> 01:38:24,933
Speaker 3: to say at the Cats Whiskers Cafe.

1901
01:38:25,093 --> 01:38:28,493
Speaker 2: Oh yes, oh very good. And what about what about

1902
01:38:28,533 --> 01:38:30,453
Speaker 2: if you into a bit of train spotting, we should

1903
01:38:30,453 --> 01:38:31,373
Speaker 2: train spot as head.

1904
01:38:32,293 --> 01:38:34,613
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. If you are not a train spotter,

1905
01:38:34,813 --> 01:38:37,773
Speaker 3: before you go to the Railway Museum, expect a very

1906
01:38:37,853 --> 01:38:42,613
Speaker 3: quick conversion because this is the world's largest train museum.

1907
01:38:42,613 --> 01:38:45,653
Speaker 3: It's got over one hundred locomotives. They've got everything. They've

1908
01:38:45,653 --> 01:38:48,533
Speaker 3: got the Shinkansen, they've got the Flying Scotsmen, they've got

1909
01:38:48,573 --> 01:38:51,853
Speaker 3: the world's fastest steam train, the Mallard. There are so

1910
01:38:52,053 --> 01:38:56,453
Speaker 3: many amazing exhibits. It is kind of like a giant

1911
01:38:56,613 --> 01:38:59,973
Speaker 3: train set made real. I found it quite gob stopping,

1912
01:39:00,533 --> 01:39:04,013
Speaker 3: and it is absolutely a crowd favorite, not just with

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Speaker 3: the rain jacket Brigade Jack.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds amazing. I would love to go. I'd

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Speaker 2: really love to go. I was last in your core,

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Speaker 2: probably a decade ago, but I was only there for

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Speaker 2: a few hours. It sounds like a great spot, I reckon.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Mike. We will make sure all

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Speaker 2: of your sites, stories and recommendations for visiting York are

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Speaker 2: up on the news Talk We Said B website. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for your feedback as well. Jack, listened to your

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Speaker 2: interview regarding toilet training a baby. For goodness sake, it

1923
01:39:29,173 --> 01:39:32,293
Speaker 2: is old as my grandmother held out all of her babies,

1924
01:39:32,293 --> 01:39:33,933
Speaker 2: and if my father was alive still, he'd be one

1925
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Speaker 2: hundred and five years old. Just been reinvented, Jack. A

1926
01:39:37,733 --> 01:39:41,453
Speaker 2: single disposable nappy takes hundreds of years to fully break down,

1927
01:39:41,613 --> 01:39:44,133
Speaker 2: Easier said than done. But every disposable nappy we can

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Speaker 2: keep out of the landfill, the better go, Kate, as

1929
01:39:46,733 --> 01:39:51,773
Speaker 2: far as I'm concerned, and Jack, yes, yeay, Kate. My

1930
01:39:51,893 --> 01:39:54,293
Speaker 2: mother was a British nanny. She used this on us

1931
01:39:54,333 --> 01:39:56,373
Speaker 2: in the early nineteen sixties. I used to do it

1932
01:39:56,413 --> 01:39:59,533
Speaker 2: as well for my younger brothers. They were largely nappy free.

1933
01:40:00,213 --> 01:40:03,053
Speaker 2: This was, once upon a time, a totally normal practice.

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Speaker 2: Just one of those things that we as a society

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Speaker 2: have collectively for gotten. Thank you for that. I'll get

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Speaker 2: to borrow your feedback in a few minutes. It's just

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Speaker 2: gone eleven thirty.

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Speaker 1: Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday morning with Jack team

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Speaker 1: on news Talks A B.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, how are you thought? I was wondering there's something

1941
01:40:26,533 --> 01:40:28,013
Speaker 9: Lucky Durham, make you.

1942
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Speaker 11: Something Lock Durham.

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Speaker 2: News Talks be You're Jack Tame through the twelve o'clock

1944
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Speaker 2: today before my day, we're going to play some music

1945
01:40:47,453 --> 01:40:53,853
Speaker 2: from Yorkshire musician Billy Martin. It's got a really beautiful

1946
01:40:54,053 --> 01:40:57,293
Speaker 2: clear voice. Our producer Libby when I saw earlier this

1947
01:40:57,373 --> 01:40:59,773
Speaker 2: year and said that it was angelic, and I think

1948
01:40:59,773 --> 01:41:01,533
Speaker 2: that is probably the worst. She got a brand new

1949
01:41:01,533 --> 01:41:04,533
Speaker 2: album called dog Eared, so our music review will be

1950
01:41:04,573 --> 01:41:06,133
Speaker 2: in very shortly to give us her thoughts on that.

1951
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Speaker 2: Shall we play a couple of songs from that album

1952
01:41:08,373 --> 01:41:11,053
Speaker 2: as well? And then after midday of course, Jason Pine

1953
01:41:11,133 --> 01:41:13,453
Speaker 2: is in for Weekend Sport and he's tackling a big

1954
01:41:13,573 --> 01:41:16,053
Speaker 2: question right after the mid day news today, how do

1955
01:41:16,133 --> 01:41:21,173
Speaker 2: we fix netball's woes Morning Piney Jack. Yeah, No, it's

1956
01:41:21,173 --> 01:41:24,693
Speaker 2: a it's a rather gnarhi old topic. Netball navigating some

1957
01:41:25,253 --> 01:41:27,733
Speaker 2: choppy waters at the moment at the elite level, the

1958
01:41:27,733 --> 01:41:30,773
Speaker 2: future of the am Ze Premiership a but uncertain, no

1959
01:41:30,893 --> 01:41:34,973
Speaker 2: new broadcast deal and place real trepidation among the players.

1960
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Speaker 2: It's you know, it's one that I think is worth examining,

1961
01:41:38,093 --> 01:41:41,453
Speaker 2: because you know, netball's just been a bedrock of our sport,

1962
01:41:41,653 --> 01:41:44,613
Speaker 2: historic of our sporting landscape historically. We can't just we

1963
01:41:44,653 --> 01:41:46,733
Speaker 2: can't just let it wither and die. We have to

1964
01:41:46,773 --> 01:41:49,693
Speaker 2: make sure that it continues to survive and to thrive.

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Speaker 2: So how is the question? There's no kind of obvious

1966
01:41:53,133 --> 01:41:54,773
Speaker 2: answer off the top of my head, but I mean

1967
01:41:54,853 --> 01:41:58,373
Speaker 2: it is like it is being even more closely integrated

1968
01:41:58,373 --> 01:42:02,213
Speaker 2: with Australia, an option that might be feasible in any way,

1969
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Speaker 2: shape or form.

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01:42:03,053 --> 01:42:04,693
Speaker 20: Well, I think one thing you have to do is

1971
01:42:04,853 --> 01:42:07,933
Speaker 20: allow players to play in bow by moving the calendar

1972
01:42:08,013 --> 01:42:10,333
Speaker 20: of the New Zealand A and Z Premiership. It seems

1973
01:42:10,373 --> 01:42:14,173
Speaker 20: obvious really that at the moment the Australian competition goes

1974
01:42:14,213 --> 01:42:17,893
Speaker 20: April to August and the New Zealand competition goes May

1975
01:42:18,013 --> 01:42:20,013
Speaker 20: to the back end of July, so they basically run

1976
01:42:20,133 --> 01:42:23,133
Speaker 20: alongside one another. So I can't feel like we've got

1977
01:42:23,133 --> 01:42:26,453
Speaker 20: to bump ours beyond theirs so that players can play

1978
01:42:26,453 --> 01:42:29,093
Speaker 20: in both. New Zealand's best players can go over and

1979
01:42:29,133 --> 01:42:31,613
Speaker 20: play in Australia and vice versa. We get some top

1980
01:42:31,653 --> 01:42:34,573
Speaker 20: Australian players coming over here to boost our competition and

1981
01:42:34,573 --> 01:42:36,773
Speaker 20: all of a sudden, you know, our top netballers are

1982
01:42:36,813 --> 01:42:39,813
Speaker 20: employed from April through to the back end of October.

1983
01:42:39,853 --> 01:42:42,213
Speaker 20: That's a far more palatable thing than sort of ten

1984
01:42:42,253 --> 01:42:44,373
Speaker 20: or eleven weeks in the middle of the year here

1985
01:42:44,453 --> 01:42:48,293
Speaker 20: with no ability to make money in the closest competition

1986
01:42:48,373 --> 01:42:50,813
Speaker 20: to us, just across the Tasman because it runs at

1987
01:42:50,853 --> 01:42:53,533
Speaker 20: the same time. So absolutely that is one thing they

1988
01:42:53,533 --> 01:42:54,053
Speaker 20: have to look at.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that way at the very least players

1990
01:42:56,213 --> 01:42:58,933
Speaker 2: would been you know, it's aspirational for new players right

1991
01:42:58,973 --> 01:43:00,733
Speaker 2: who want to be able to get into the Australian League,

1992
01:43:00,813 --> 01:43:02,493
Speaker 2: start in the New Zealand League. Maybe you start playing

1993
01:43:02,533 --> 01:43:04,133
Speaker 2: in both. You make a bit more money as well.

1994
01:43:04,173 --> 01:43:05,533
Speaker 2: Just tell me that we're not going to be banning

1995
01:43:05,533 --> 01:43:06,573
Speaker 2: people from the Silver.

1996
01:43:07,453 --> 01:43:12,173
Speaker 20: Well no, that role has changed, yeah yeah, yeah, And

1997
01:43:12,293 --> 01:43:14,253
Speaker 20: maybe that's a step by Nipble New Zealand to say, hey,

1998
01:43:14,293 --> 01:43:16,613
Speaker 20: well this is a first ye you know, courtious step

1999
01:43:16,613 --> 01:43:19,173
Speaker 20: towards that. Look they've they've brought in the two point

2000
01:43:19,253 --> 01:43:21,493
Speaker 20: shot and that's an innovation. I think that's caught the

2001
01:43:21,533 --> 01:43:23,493
Speaker 20: attention of a lot of people. But there must be

2002
01:43:23,573 --> 01:43:26,973
Speaker 20: more they can do. And look like I say, netball

2003
01:43:27,013 --> 01:43:29,853
Speaker 20: is a sport that and for many years, I think

2004
01:43:29,933 --> 01:43:31,573
Speaker 20: that's a fact it was the only sport. It was

2005
01:43:31,573 --> 01:43:33,493
Speaker 20: the only sport for females. And I think now that's

2006
01:43:33,533 --> 01:43:36,013
Speaker 20: the other challenge they face at grassroots, Yeah, is that

2007
01:43:36,093 --> 01:43:37,973
Speaker 20: young girls. I mean off the back of the women's

2008
01:43:38,053 --> 01:43:40,333
Speaker 20: feet for Women's World Cup two years ago, a twenty

2009
01:43:40,453 --> 01:43:43,613
Speaker 20: seven percent increase in young girls playing football, are you know?

2010
01:43:43,693 --> 01:43:46,373
Speaker 20: So that's that's massive basketball. They're playing there, they're playing rugby,

2011
01:43:46,413 --> 01:43:49,533
Speaker 20: they're playing rugby league. Now the Warriors women provide that

2012
01:43:49,613 --> 01:43:53,453
Speaker 20: aspirational pathway. Netball don't have it all to themselves anymore.

2013
01:43:53,573 --> 01:43:56,853
Speaker 20: So look, I want to be a solutions based show,

2014
01:43:57,213 --> 01:43:58,813
Speaker 20: so so that's what we're going to try and do.

2015
01:43:58,853 --> 01:44:01,053
Speaker 2: After that'll be any interesting? Hey, war On Gatland on

2016
01:44:01,093 --> 01:44:01,733
Speaker 2: the show as well.

2017
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Speaker 20: Yeah, former British and Irish Lions coach brought The Lines

2018
01:44:04,973 --> 01:44:07,253
Speaker 20: to Australia in twenty thirteen and here in New Zealand

2019
01:44:07,253 --> 01:44:09,493
Speaker 20: and twenty seventeen. He's part of the commentary team at

2020
01:44:09,493 --> 01:44:12,733
Speaker 20: the moment actually with the current series Australia against the Line.

2021
01:44:12,733 --> 01:44:14,373
Speaker 20: So he's going to join us after two o'clock. Looking

2022
01:44:14,373 --> 01:44:16,293
Speaker 20: forward to catching up with Warren Gatland on the show

2023
01:44:16,293 --> 01:44:16,973
Speaker 20: tar so good.

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you, sir Jason Parson for a week

2025
01:44:18,933 --> 01:44:21,373
Speaker 2: in sport. Right after the midday news, We're going to

2026
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Speaker 2: have your book picks for the weekend next right now,

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Speaker 2: it's twenty two minutes to twelve on Newstalks EDB.

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Speaker 1: Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio

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Speaker 1: powered by Newstalg EDB twelve.

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Speaker 2: To twelve on newstorgs EDB. Another text here, Jack, eighties

2031
01:44:36,933 --> 01:44:39,453
Speaker 2: children here, Disposable nappies were just becoming a thing. And

2032
01:44:39,533 --> 01:44:43,213
Speaker 2: let me tell you, they were disgusting in the eighties, big, heavy,

2033
01:44:43,293 --> 01:44:45,533
Speaker 2: cold and wet. So my kids just stayed in cloth.

2034
01:44:45,973 --> 01:44:48,133
Speaker 2: They were cheaper, and the kids were all toilet trained

2035
01:44:48,173 --> 01:44:51,693
Speaker 2: by the age of two. So what disposables have evolved? Though?

2036
01:44:51,733 --> 01:44:54,133
Speaker 2: They are no longer wet and cold, and that, in

2037
01:44:54,133 --> 01:44:57,333
Speaker 2: my theory, is why children today don't toilet train nearly

2038
01:44:57,413 --> 01:45:00,573
Speaker 2: as early, and disposables are pretty comfy. Got to say

2039
01:45:00,693 --> 01:45:02,893
Speaker 2: thank you for that. Ninety two to ninety two, yes

2040
01:45:03,013 --> 01:45:05,733
Speaker 2: to all of that. I think they can't possibly disagree.

2041
01:45:05,893 --> 01:45:09,133
Speaker 2: They're probably also they're more companied, probably also slightly cheaper

2042
01:45:09,293 --> 01:45:11,773
Speaker 2: relative to income compared to what they were back then,

2043
01:45:11,813 --> 01:45:13,813
Speaker 2: which is not to say they're cheap. But you know

2044
01:45:14,053 --> 01:45:16,213
Speaker 2: my drift. You can seend me a text if you like.

2045
01:45:16,293 --> 01:45:18,733
Speaker 2: Katherine Rains our book reviewers, here with her two reads

2046
01:45:18,733 --> 01:45:22,053
Speaker 2: for the weekend. Hey Catherine, morning Jack. Let's begin with

2047
01:45:22,093 --> 01:45:25,853
Speaker 2: your first recommendation. Tell us about the Forsaken by Matt Rodgers.

2048
01:45:26,853 --> 01:45:29,933
Speaker 21: So Logan Booth, the main character in this thought. He

2049
01:45:30,013 --> 01:45:32,933
Speaker 21: had been a rogue assassin for this group of vigilantes

2050
01:45:32,933 --> 01:45:37,173
Speaker 21: for the past ten years and he's absolutely devastated to

2051
01:45:37,213 --> 01:45:39,693
Speaker 21: learn he's actually been used by the CIA as a

2052
01:45:39,733 --> 01:45:43,653
Speaker 21: contract killer to further government interests, and so he's kind

2053
01:45:43,653 --> 01:45:46,613
Speaker 21: of in a path that's not great. And then his

2054
01:45:46,733 --> 01:45:49,853
Speaker 21: longtime friend and a guy who's an investigator for journalist

2055
01:45:49,893 --> 01:45:53,173
Speaker 21: Chill Gromero is murdered for attempting to for attempting to

2056
01:45:53,213 --> 01:45:58,533
Speaker 21: uncover political corruption, and Logan's very determined to seek justice,

2057
01:45:58,893 --> 01:46:01,293
Speaker 21: and he ends up forming this very unlikely bond with

2058
01:46:01,653 --> 01:46:05,693
Speaker 21: witness girl called Alice, who's our homeless drug addict, and

2059
01:46:05,733 --> 01:46:08,893
Speaker 21: they both joined forces to seek revenge. And through the

2060
01:46:08,933 --> 01:46:11,853
Speaker 21: story you learn about Alice in her life on the streets,

2061
01:46:11,853 --> 01:46:14,293
Speaker 21: but what her life was like before then, and the

2062
01:46:14,733 --> 01:46:16,813
Speaker 21: aftermath or some of the decisions that she makes, and

2063
01:46:16,813 --> 01:46:19,413
Speaker 21: she's a really lost soul and she's feeling very worthless.

2064
01:46:20,053 --> 01:46:23,093
Speaker 21: And you follow Logan and Alice's story in this friendship

2065
01:46:23,133 --> 01:46:25,253
Speaker 21: of people who actually you think it from do very

2066
01:46:25,293 --> 01:46:27,853
Speaker 21: different worlds, but as the story moves through, you realize

2067
01:46:27,853 --> 01:46:29,813
Speaker 21: that they aren't that different, and they both got fairs

2068
01:46:29,853 --> 01:46:32,973
Speaker 21: and things that they are struggling to break through from

2069
01:46:33,053 --> 01:46:35,213
Speaker 21: and a past that they just don't want to know about.

2070
01:46:35,693 --> 01:46:39,333
Speaker 21: And it's perfect for readers who like revenge stories, conspiracy,

2071
01:46:39,453 --> 01:46:42,733
Speaker 21: corruption thrillers. And you can see it as you're reading,

2072
01:46:42,773 --> 01:46:45,693
Speaker 21: playing out as a movie at some point. But yeah,

2073
01:46:45,733 --> 01:46:47,853
Speaker 21: it's a good read, a little bit violent, but a

2074
01:46:47,893 --> 01:46:48,773
Speaker 21: good read all the same.

2075
01:46:48,893 --> 01:46:49,053
Speaker 11: Yeah.

2076
01:46:49,133 --> 01:46:51,773
Speaker 2: Nice. Okay, that's The Forsaken by Matt Rodgers. You've also

2077
01:46:51,853 --> 01:46:55,613
Speaker 2: read Not Quite Dead Yet by Holly Jackson.

2078
01:46:56,413 --> 01:46:59,293
Speaker 21: So this is Holly Jackson's first adult novel. She's more

2079
01:46:59,333 --> 01:47:02,973
Speaker 21: known for her young adult novels, and this one is

2080
01:47:03,013 --> 01:47:06,293
Speaker 21: set in Woodstock in Vermont, and twenty seven year old

2081
01:47:06,453 --> 01:47:09,933
Speaker 21: Jet has a week weirdly to solve her own murder.

2082
01:47:10,293 --> 01:47:13,613
Speaker 21: She receives several blows to the head during her attempted

2083
01:47:13,693 --> 01:47:16,013
Speaker 21: murder and the doctors have told her that she's got

2084
01:47:16,013 --> 01:47:20,253
Speaker 21: a week to live until her injuries course this huge

2085
01:47:20,253 --> 01:47:22,573
Speaker 21: aneurism and will leave her dead. And she's determined she's

2086
01:47:22,613 --> 01:47:25,253
Speaker 21: going to use that time to catch a killer. And

2087
01:47:25,293 --> 01:47:27,893
Speaker 21: so she teams up with her childhood friend Billy, who's

2088
01:47:27,893 --> 01:47:30,453
Speaker 21: this amazing human being and everything Jet could want, and

2089
01:47:30,493 --> 01:47:33,693
Speaker 21: a friend. There were lots of suspects, her family, her

2090
01:47:33,733 --> 01:47:37,413
Speaker 21: ex boyfriend, her best friend, and she's determined in those

2091
01:47:37,413 --> 01:47:39,533
Speaker 21: seven days to figure out who might want to see

2092
01:47:39,573 --> 01:47:42,253
Speaker 21: her dead. And she discovers, of course, some secrets about

2093
01:47:42,253 --> 01:47:44,653
Speaker 21: people close to her, and it's all about that, the

2094
01:47:44,733 --> 01:47:49,093
Speaker 21: secrets and lies, and Holly Jackson has this really amazing

2095
01:47:49,133 --> 01:47:52,413
Speaker 21: way of giving you everyday characters full of complexities, and

2096
01:47:52,533 --> 01:47:56,533
Speaker 21: manages to kind of show you all of their characters

2097
01:47:56,573 --> 01:47:58,733
Speaker 21: and their backstory. And there's lots of twists and turns,

2098
01:47:58,773 --> 01:48:01,253
Speaker 21: and as I said, those characters are complex and interesting

2099
01:48:01,293 --> 01:48:04,453
Speaker 21: in a really engaging plot. From a premise that sounds

2100
01:48:04,453 --> 01:48:06,853
Speaker 21: a little bit weird, but actually, for some reason, this

2101
01:48:06,973 --> 01:48:09,213
Speaker 21: story just really works and it's a very good read.

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01:48:09,333 --> 01:48:11,693
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the previous that sound a little implausible

2103
01:48:11,733 --> 01:48:12,733
Speaker 2: to say the least, but.

2104
01:48:13,133 --> 01:48:15,093
Speaker 21: No, I don't think you'd probably I don't think you

2105
01:48:15,213 --> 01:48:17,413
Speaker 21: probably feel like solving your own mirror in that seven

2106
01:48:17,453 --> 01:48:22,173
Speaker 21: Days story. Yeah, yeah, jitmust just decides that she's gonna

2107
01:48:22,213 --> 01:48:25,533
Speaker 21: find out and yeah, some interesting characters that appear and

2108
01:48:25,573 --> 01:48:27,813
Speaker 21: some interesting backstories that she discovers.

2109
01:48:27,373 --> 01:48:29,733
Speaker 2: Along the way. Okay, cool, so that's not quite dead

2110
01:48:29,813 --> 01:48:33,213
Speaker 2: yet by Holly Jackson. Catherine's first book is The Forsaken

2111
01:48:33,293 --> 01:48:35,453
Speaker 2: by Matt Rodgers, and both of those will make sure

2112
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Speaker 2: up on the news talks. He'd be website giving.

2113
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Speaker 1: You the inside scoop on all you need to know

2114
01:48:42,013 --> 01:48:44,853
Speaker 1: this Saturday morning with Jack Dame Youth Talks.

2115
01:49:06,053 --> 01:49:11,933
Speaker 2: This is feeling. It's a song by Billy Martin. He's

2116
01:49:11,973 --> 01:49:15,453
Speaker 2: got a brand new album called dog Ed and our

2117
01:49:15,533 --> 01:49:18,293
Speaker 2: music reviewer Atestelle Cliff that has been listening. She's with

2118
01:49:18,373 --> 01:49:18,893
Speaker 2: us this morning.

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Speaker 22: Hey, oh Kyoder, Yeah, Billy Martin, what a great listen.

2120
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Speaker 22: So the dog Aired thing I found out why she

2121
01:49:25,733 --> 01:49:28,053
Speaker 22: kind of rolled with that. She's someone who turns over

2122
01:49:28,093 --> 01:49:31,173
Speaker 22: the corners of books of pages to mark her place. Yep,

2123
01:49:31,333 --> 01:49:33,613
Speaker 22: doing that dog Ed thing, which if you've ever borrowed

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Speaker 22: a book from the library, you have to like really

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01:49:35,733 --> 01:49:38,893
Speaker 22: refrain from trying to make yourself self do. But I

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01:49:38,933 --> 01:49:42,013
Speaker 22: love that she's a real bookworm. She's a real wordsmith,

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01:49:42,173 --> 01:49:44,733
Speaker 22: and she journals and always has a notebook with her.

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01:49:45,293 --> 01:49:47,973
Speaker 22: And that song there feeling you can kind of get

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01:49:47,973 --> 01:49:49,573
Speaker 22: that sense of a change of tide.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like a.

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Speaker 22: Sort of rolling sort of sound. And it is a

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01:49:53,013 --> 01:49:55,173
Speaker 22: change of tide for her in respects to how she's

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01:49:55,213 --> 01:49:59,933
Speaker 22: done this album so predominantly has had that folky girl

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Speaker 22: guitar soloist kind of thing going on. Right we're making

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Speaker 22: this album, she had like an open door policy, and

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Speaker 22: you'll hear it in some of the songs. There's almost

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Speaker 22: a jam session sound about it. Yeah, so other musicians

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01:50:13,733 --> 01:50:16,493
Speaker 22: came in and joined her. The guitar got plugged in,

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01:50:16,613 --> 01:50:21,413
Speaker 22: so she's gone electric and there's a more full sound

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01:50:21,453 --> 01:50:25,013
Speaker 22: about it. There's more layering in that song there. There's

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Speaker 22: like the pedal steel guitar, which just has such a

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01:50:27,733 --> 01:50:32,733
Speaker 22: cool sound to it. There's trumpets and sometimes sometimes I

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01:50:32,813 --> 01:50:35,893
Speaker 22: it confused, you know when you hear a muted trumpet

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01:50:35,933 --> 01:50:38,813
Speaker 22: sound and then you're like, but is it also like

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01:50:38,853 --> 01:50:39,613
Speaker 22: a slide guitar?

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01:50:40,213 --> 01:50:40,573
Speaker 2: Right?

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01:50:40,973 --> 01:50:41,293
Speaker 1: I don't know.

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01:50:41,333 --> 01:50:43,453
Speaker 22: There's kind of like that kind of clever sound and

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01:50:43,613 --> 01:50:46,573
Speaker 22: hates a really cool percussion. So on an Instagram, if

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01:50:46,573 --> 01:50:48,653
Speaker 22: you get a chance to look at Billy Martin, there,

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01:50:49,013 --> 01:50:51,693
Speaker 22: she's got some of the studio sessions showing off the

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01:50:51,773 --> 01:50:54,613
Speaker 22: recording of a percussion and there's like these big they

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01:50:54,653 --> 01:50:58,533
Speaker 22: look like fire when people go out and do street performing.

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01:50:58,573 --> 01:50:59,453
Speaker 6: They've got those big.

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01:50:59,253 --> 01:51:02,373
Speaker 22: Fire poles, but it's got like the shakers on the

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01:51:02,453 --> 01:51:05,533
Speaker 22: end of it to get this really big sound. There's

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01:51:05,573 --> 01:51:07,573
Speaker 22: there's like wooden blocks that are all set up in

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01:51:07,653 --> 01:51:11,053
Speaker 22: horseshoes and they're tapping it and making all So what

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01:51:11,093 --> 01:51:13,093
Speaker 22: I love about seeing that kind of thing is that

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01:51:13,173 --> 01:51:15,413
Speaker 22: then you listen to the music again and you're like, oh, yeah,

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01:51:15,453 --> 01:51:18,093
Speaker 22: I can hear that now, Like all these really cool,

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01:51:18,253 --> 01:51:22,013
Speaker 22: very interesting, sometimes eclectic sort of sounds that can come

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01:51:22,013 --> 01:51:26,213
Speaker 22: in amongst her really folky, cool guitar kind of sound

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01:51:26,213 --> 01:51:31,213
Speaker 22: that she's going on this album to me sounds very confidence,

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01:51:31,253 --> 01:51:33,853
Speaker 22: Like she's kind of said herself, she's shaking off that

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01:51:33,893 --> 01:51:37,413
Speaker 22: feel of childhood and youth and she's really moving forward

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01:51:37,493 --> 01:51:40,373
Speaker 22: into her adulthood. This is someone who's pretty much been

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01:51:40,373 --> 01:51:44,293
Speaker 22: writing music and releasing music since is fourteen, Yeah, so

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01:51:44,493 --> 01:51:47,093
Speaker 22: it's been over a decade.

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Speaker 2: So she kind of the voice reminds me a little

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01:51:50,333 --> 01:51:54,973
Speaker 2: bit of Laura Marling. She does have that kind of

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01:51:54,973 --> 01:51:56,533
Speaker 2: and you know, given she was doing a lot of

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01:51:56,533 --> 01:52:01,213
Speaker 2: sing a songwriter stuff, kind of slightly yes folky, you know,

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01:52:01,253 --> 01:52:04,333
Speaker 2: you can kind of see.

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01:52:02,013 --> 01:52:06,293
Speaker 22: That tonal quality and then that real it's quite a confident,

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01:52:06,453 --> 01:52:10,373
Speaker 22: grounded sort of voice. And I always think it's amazing

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01:52:10,373 --> 01:52:13,413
Speaker 22: to have established that so young in your career and

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01:52:13,453 --> 01:52:16,093
Speaker 22: the music that you're making. That she's really found that,

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01:52:16,093 --> 01:52:17,653
Speaker 22: and you're right, it is quite similar to that. And

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01:52:17,653 --> 01:52:19,293
Speaker 22: then if you want to go back even further, you know,

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01:52:19,333 --> 01:52:22,413
Speaker 22: when like if you hear someone like Shania Twain just

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01:52:22,453 --> 01:52:25,213
Speaker 22: through some of her acoustic stuff, they have that similar

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01:52:25,293 --> 01:52:29,413
Speaker 22: kind of quality and sound in their voices again where

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01:52:29,413 --> 01:52:31,053
Speaker 22: they've just had to really if you've just got your

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01:52:31,093 --> 01:52:33,213
Speaker 22: guitar in your voice, you kind of really have to

2186
01:52:33,293 --> 01:52:36,453
Speaker 22: hone those skills right in that draft and it brings

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01:52:36,453 --> 01:52:40,133
Speaker 22: that real warmness. Yeah, there's this real warm tonal quality.

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01:52:40,173 --> 01:52:42,733
Speaker 22: There's a couple of songs where she kind of does

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01:52:42,773 --> 01:52:45,933
Speaker 22: that weird like it's off key or kind of like

2190
01:52:45,933 --> 01:52:49,733
Speaker 22: that minor key sound and amongst these quirky little percussiony bits,

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01:52:49,773 --> 01:52:54,533
Speaker 22: and it's really clever and just such a super easy

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01:52:54,613 --> 01:52:58,173
Speaker 22: listen the entire album. It's kind of chill and quiet

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01:52:58,213 --> 01:53:01,453
Speaker 22: at times, like she's not forcing anything out. It's just

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01:53:01,573 --> 01:53:05,013
Speaker 22: flowing so nice. But it's also an album you could

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01:53:05,013 --> 01:53:07,373
Speaker 22: crank up and fill the whole house Swiss and I

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01:53:07,453 --> 01:53:10,053
Speaker 22: kind of like that, like you could really absorb yourself

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01:53:10,653 --> 01:53:12,853
Speaker 22: and sink into what she's doing. And I think the

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01:53:12,893 --> 01:53:14,693
Speaker 22: big credit there is just that she does have such

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Speaker 22: a wonderful voice. Yeah, yeah, so whatever else is going

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01:53:17,653 --> 01:53:21,093
Speaker 22: on around that, you really do fall into her voice

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01:53:21,533 --> 01:53:24,013
Speaker 22: quite easy, if you really want to get a sense

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01:53:24,173 --> 01:53:27,173
Speaker 22: of the full jam session sound. The end track is

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01:53:27,173 --> 01:53:30,613
Speaker 22: called swing Okay, and it really is is a great

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01:53:30,613 --> 01:53:32,653
Speaker 22: way to end the album. It sounds like everyone's just

2205
01:53:32,693 --> 01:53:36,053
Speaker 22: come along with whatever they've found in their boot and

2206
01:53:36,053 --> 01:53:39,213
Speaker 22: they're like, let's just put some layers and interesting stuff

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01:53:39,293 --> 01:53:42,413
Speaker 22: to this. And I really I love that sound. I

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01:53:42,413 --> 01:53:44,253
Speaker 22: think that's a really cool thing for her to be, like,

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01:53:44,333 --> 01:53:46,413
Speaker 22: I want to do something a little bit different. It

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01:53:46,493 --> 01:53:48,253
Speaker 22: might also make you want to go back into her

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01:53:48,253 --> 01:53:51,133
Speaker 22: back catalog and listen to some of her more folky

2212
01:53:51,253 --> 01:53:54,373
Speaker 22: kind of stuff. And yeah, I think this I've just

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01:53:54,413 --> 01:53:56,933
Speaker 22: really and I've really loved this album. I like pretty

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01:53:57,013 --> 01:53:58,173
Speaker 22: much every song. They can't kind of.

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01:53:58,213 --> 01:54:00,333
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I mean it sounds great. I'm looking forward

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01:54:00,373 --> 01:54:04,213
Speaker 2: to having listen to it because sounds fantastic. So Doggie

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01:54:05,133 --> 01:54:06,373
Speaker 2: by Billy Martin, what'd you give it?

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01:54:07,093 --> 01:54:08,013
Speaker 22: I'm going there again?

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01:54:09,293 --> 01:54:13,213
Speaker 2: Here we go. No, I love it? You no great? No, no,

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01:54:12,453 --> 01:54:14,613
Speaker 2: it is no one with that. It's good. We love

2221
01:54:14,613 --> 01:54:17,053
Speaker 2: a bit of positivity on a Saturday morning. Yeah, okay,

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01:54:17,253 --> 01:54:18,813
Speaker 2: you'll enjoy it. We'll pick out a good track to

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Speaker 2: play in a couple of minutes. Thanks to Stelle. Catching

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01:54:20,533 --> 01:54:22,813
Speaker 2: again very soon. A Stelle Clifford Our music reviewer. Ten

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Speaker 2: out of ten. She reckons doggyed by Billy Martin is worth.

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Speaker 2: It's eight to twelve on News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 1: Way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack Team

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Speaker 2: on weekend sport, how do we fix netballs woes? That

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Speaker 2: is us though, for another Saturday morning together. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for all of her hard work. This morning and we're

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01:55:10,453 --> 01:55:14,053
Speaker 2: gonna leave you with another daughter of Yorkshire. This is

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01:55:14,133 --> 01:55:18,333
Speaker 2: Billy Martin. Her new album's Doggyed and the song's called Cram.

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01:55:18,573 --> 01:55:19,413
Speaker 2: I'll see you next week.

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Speaker 15: You are in me, you are in me. The gids

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01:55:29,413 --> 01:55:32,933
Speaker 15: it's in shape and I am a friend.

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01:55:35,493 --> 01:55:40,653
Speaker 14: Hello the girds.

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01:55:40,733 --> 01:56:11,613
Speaker 23: Its shame, I am a friend. She drinks mole and

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01:56:11,813 --> 01:56:16,173
Speaker 23: I went her craw ows. The rains me every day.

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Speaker 23: I'll do myself with every strain. Don't push it now,

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01:56:25,013 --> 01:56:33,213
Speaker 23: I'm choking. Minute you're gone.

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