1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: Later on. Meantime, it's go to the stage. Catherine Ferkins, 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: what's Catherine. Very good morning to you. 3 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 2: Hi, They good morning. 4 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: So he's appealing or not, We don't know yet. 5 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 2: Well, we don't know if he's appealing, but I think 6 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 2: we're almost certainly going to see it, you know. Of course, 7 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 2: yesterday Hunter Biden had that inauspicious honor of becoming the 8 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: first child of a sitting president ever to be convicted 9 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: on criminal charges. The jury took just three hours to 10 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 2: find him guilty on federal gun crimes, and essentially the 11 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: case spoiled down to the fact that he was using 12 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 2: drugs at the time he purchased a firearm in twenty eighteen. 13 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 2: He didn't disclose that condition when making the purchase, and 14 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: that's something that's illegal here in the US. But whether 15 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: this conviction stands will be an interesting test of the 16 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: justice system now because many legal experts suggest there are 17 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 2: several avenues of appeal that Hunter Biden could take now. 18 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: Already we've seen his attorneys file three motions for acquittal, 19 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: which the judge has yet to rule on. But separately, 20 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: he may be able to use some constitutional arguments to 21 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: dablished disappeal. I think the most likely avenue we're going 22 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: to see is that the defense will argue the charges 23 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 2: are not constitutional under the Second Amendment. Essentially, he's going 24 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: to say that Hunter has a constitutional right to own 25 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 2: a firearm. They could also look at the sixth Amendment, 26 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 2: which guarantees defendants certain rights in criminal proceedings. That's essentially 27 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 2: going to be a technicality argument, But either way, there 28 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: is a lot at stake for the President's son here. 29 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,639 Speaker 2: Not only is he facing potentially twenty five years jail, 30 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: he's also facing fines of up to seven hundred and 31 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 2: fifty thousand US dollars. That's over one point two million 32 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: New Zealand dollars. And of course this is a shocking 33 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: look for the Biden family during such a crucial year. 34 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: Right to the war. The person I feel most sorry for, 35 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: the person with the job you wouldn't want, is Blink. 36 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: And of course, who's god knows how many miles he's 37 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: wracked up going back and forward and back and forth. 38 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: Where are we at with a so called. 39 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 2: Ceswy Well, you're absolutely right, and he's actually in the 40 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 2: region at the moment, still pushing for this new US 41 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 2: back ceasefire. But unfortunately he says, basically, they've reached a 42 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: bit of limbo. He says that it's now her Mass 43 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 2: that continues to keep changing its demands. In fact, he 44 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 2: said that they continue to move the goalposts of this 45 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: original US batch proposal. Initially, on May six, Hamas claimed 46 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: to agree to a ceasefire deal, and at the time 47 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 2: they were pushing for what would be in effect about 48 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 2: a twelve week pause in fighting before a permanent ceasefire. 49 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 2: That situation would have effectively prevented Israel from being able 50 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 2: to recommence military operations at all. And this is all 51 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 2: happening now at a time when I'm sure you've seen, 52 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 2: we've just had the release of the United Nations first 53 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 2: in depth investigation into the October seven attack and the 54 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: ensuing conflict. That report has found that both Israel and 55 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: Her Mass have committed war crimes and grave violations of 56 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 2: international law. And all of this back and forth now 57 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 2: with the negotiations whether we're going to get this ceasefire 58 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 2: deal done, all happening is The UN also says that 59 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 2: we've now got more than a million Palestinians who are 60 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 2: set to face starvation as early as next month. So 61 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 2: it just couldn't be a more urgent situation. But unfortunately, 62 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 2: as you say, it doesn't seem to matter how many 63 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 2: miles Blinkin does or what the US does here. A 64 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: Cespy deal just doesn't seem like it's happening at the moment. 65 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 1: Good to catch up, Katherine, appreciate it well, see you 66 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: next week, Katherine Fokin out of the States. 67 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 2: For more from News Talks ed B listen live on 68 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 2: air or online, and 69 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: Keep our shows with you wherever you go with our 70 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: podcasts on iHeartRadio.