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Speaker 1: The governor adjusting the Proceeds of Crime Fund goal is

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Speaker 1: reducing violent crime by twenty thousand by the end of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty nine. That's victims. Of course, part of the

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Speaker 1: change comes out of the Harry tam two point seventy

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Speaker 1: five million debicle that the Labor government oversaw. Nicole McKee

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Speaker 1: is the Associate Minister of Justice and is with us

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Speaker 1: on all of this. Very good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Mike.

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Speaker 1: The final report from Harry has never been seen, has it?

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Speaker 2: It's right. I think it's about twelve months over due

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Speaker 2: now and actually shows why we need to make sure

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Speaker 2: that we make better decisions when we want to support

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Speaker 2: our communities, because our communities are the ones that need

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Speaker 2: to have good outcomes. So I've changed the fund so

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Speaker 2: that we don't do things like just throw money at

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Speaker 2: people who shouldn't have it and don't deliver outcomes.

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Speaker 1: What is there anything in there? Though? If you give

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Speaker 1: me some money and I say I'll go do something,

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Speaker 1: whether I do it or not, and I don't file

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Speaker 1: a report to tell you anything, is there anything actually

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Speaker 1: you can do about it?

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Speaker 2: What are you going to do?

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Speaker 1: Arrest me?

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Speaker 2: I think it will actually speak further to what other

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Speaker 2: programs would get supported in the future if they don't,

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Speaker 2: I mean when they sign up. Now, what they have

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Speaker 2: to sign up to is a whole new regime. So

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Speaker 2: first of all, before we even consider them, they have

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Speaker 2: to meet certain criteria on a matrix of scoring as

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Speaker 2: to whether I will even look at their proposal. They

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Speaker 2: have to come through government agencies. They can't just come

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Speaker 2: straight from the community anymore. So we will always have

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Speaker 2: that extra oversight to ensure in the first place that

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Speaker 2: these projects are workable as opposed to throwing taxpayer money

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Speaker 2: because that's what it is at the sky and hoping

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Speaker 2: for results.

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Speaker 1: So do reassure me. I'll give you a couple of

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Speaker 1: examples in a moment. But there are people out there

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Speaker 1: that you give money to that do make and you

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Speaker 1: can prove it a material difference to people's lives. Is

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Speaker 1: because I just worry that you're o rung A Tamariki's

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Speaker 1: all of that. There's so much money and so many

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Speaker 1: reports and nobody seems to make any progress on anything.

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Speaker 2: Well, if I speak to one of the projects that

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Speaker 2: we are funding, and that's the co Hunger Billy Graham

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Speaker 2: Youth Foundation program, they are already successful in the areas

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Speaker 2: that they have been operated and in fact managed to

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Speaker 2: get community funding to keep them operated operating. I'm now

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Speaker 2: giving them one point nine million so that they can

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Speaker 2: expand into eight other areas and the expectation is that

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Speaker 2: they'll get community funding to keep those areas going as well.

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Speaker 2: So they'll have three years to be able to do this.

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Speaker 2: So we've taken a successful program and looking to expand

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Speaker 2: it because it is making a really big difference for

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Speaker 2: our serious youth offenders.

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Speaker 1: Good is the proceeds of crime fund being tapped as

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Speaker 1: much as it possibly can be. In other words, are

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Speaker 1: you're getting as much money in as you can do.

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Speaker 2: You think, well, that's always a movable feast because the

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Speaker 2: money basically can sometimes sit there for years or months

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Speaker 2: depending on court processes. So how much money comes in

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Speaker 2: at any one time is we can't determine. We don't no,

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Speaker 2: we have no idea when it's going to come in

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Speaker 2: all what the costs are for being able to process

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Speaker 2: all of these events and court actions as well. So

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Speaker 2: for example, six million dollars had to be paid two

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Speaker 2: police to help them with storage of some of the

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Speaker 2: stuff that they've seized and their Prosecutions and mb as

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Speaker 2: well also got paid three million dollars, so that comes

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Speaker 2: out of the fund. But if you look at the flows,

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Speaker 2: we have four income flows every year and the last

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Speaker 2: one was three point four million and the one before

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Speaker 2: that was one point six million, so there's some healthy

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Speaker 2: amounts coming in that will support our communities and make

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Speaker 2: life better.

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Speaker 1: For kiweis good to hear Nicole. Nice to talk to

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Speaker 1: you Nicole mcke who's the Associate Minister of Justice.

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Speaker 2: Of course.

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