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Speaker 1: Right, it's fourteen away from five, and just reminder, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to run you through what happened according to that

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Speaker 1: police communications on the night of the Tom Phillips shooting.

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Speaker 1: But with us right now we have Thomas Coglan, the

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Speaker 1: Herald's Political edit, A high.

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Speaker 2: Thomas here, a good afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, Stuart Nash has quit his job because of

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Speaker 1: what he said. How's this going to affect his future

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Speaker 1: at New Zealand?

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Speaker 2: First, well, very interesting question. It is obviously not a

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Speaker 2: great look. It's interesting. Obviously, Winston Peters has a long

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Speaker 2: and colorful history in New Zealand politics, but one of

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Speaker 2: the things he doesn't like is bad language, particularly bad

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Speaker 2: language in this in this sort of area. Obviously, I

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Speaker 2: think you can go through the handsard and find a

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Speaker 2: number of things that Winston said that probably would wouldn't

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Speaker 2: pass the sniff test these days. But it's certainly that

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Speaker 2: this sort of language is not really what Winston Peter's likes.

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Speaker 2: So so I think it would it would negatively, I

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Speaker 2: mean clearly, it negatively affects, affects his chances and that

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Speaker 2: in that area. Then again, there's always a way back,

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Speaker 2: like Winston Peter's in New Zealand First are famous for

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Speaker 2: second chances in terms of political candidates, and they do

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Speaker 2: tend to attract rough around the edges sort of candidates. Now,

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Speaker 2: I think this is probably a bit rougher around the

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Speaker 2: edges than perhaps they have an appetite for. But it

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Speaker 2: certainly wouldn't rule it out forever.

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Speaker 1: Can you think of anything more crass that you've ever

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Speaker 1: heard in New Zealand politicians.

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Speaker 2: Say no, let them say right in the meaning and

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Speaker 2: it does speak to a complete lack of judgment. It

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Speaker 2: is it is. My jaw hit the floor when I

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Speaker 2: heard it. I couldn't believe it. So, you know, look

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Speaker 2: with New Zealand First, the general rule of fun with

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Speaker 2: New Zealand First doesn't never say never. But clearly you know,

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Speaker 2: Stuart Nash's chances took a massive denting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the problem for him is that he

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Speaker 1: was on a kind of probation and almost in a

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Speaker 1: weird way, New Zealand First had got out of Stuart.

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Speaker 1: Really the thing that they wanted, right, which is the

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Speaker 1: endorsement at the conference.

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Speaker 2: Well exactly, and it is you know, it is a

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Speaker 2: wee bit crowded at the top there, like obviously Winston

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Speaker 2: Peters is New Zealand first, and then the ear apparent

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Speaker 2: is Shane Jones. And and and you've I've always wondered

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Speaker 2: with New Zealand first, the party doesn't tend to function

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Speaker 2: well when there are a couple of years apparent. And

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Speaker 2: and you know, there's that that famous tension between Tracy

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Speaker 2: Martin and Ron Mark who who famously sort of didn't

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Speaker 2: really get on and I think sometimes refused to share

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Speaker 2: a car together. That there was, there's that sort of issue.

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Speaker 2: So obviously if Stuart Nash did become an MP, then

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Speaker 2: he would he would be in the mix for for

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Speaker 2: taking over if if if, if, if that that role

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Speaker 2: ever became vacant. And and you know, I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: whether the party really wants that instability again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a fair point. Now, what's been going on

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Speaker 1: with the Marti Party? Has it been a little shuffle

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Speaker 2: Interesting one. Usually usually this is announced the press release,

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Speaker 2: but the Parliament website has updated the profiles of Debbie Nardi,

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Speaker 2: the Pecker and Mariamino Kapa King. So mariamno was the

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Speaker 2: was the whip for the party for some time. That

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Speaker 2: is now no longer her role as of the ninth

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Speaker 2: of Septembers that was only a couple of days ago.

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Speaker 2: That role has transferred to Debi Nardi Wapaka again. As

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Speaker 2: of the ninth of September, no one knows what's going on.

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Speaker 2: Requests have been made of the party. We haven't heard

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Speaker 2: back and as as usual that the party, Mary didn't

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Speaker 2: come across the bridge today the co leaders went in

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Speaker 2: the house. That I can see that very I can't

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Speaker 2: say never, but I would say almost never.

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Speaker 1: Close enough on, here is something weird going on in

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Speaker 1: the party because you now have so you have a

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Speaker 1: removal of quite a senior job from I will note

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Speaker 1: the mother of the protest organizer, and then you've got

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Speaker 1: another MP who is busy going apparently rogue an eight

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Speaker 1: minute long midnight video. Is this something up?

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, I probably would connect those two things. I

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Speaker 2: mean that they are a bit of a black box party, Mardy.

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Speaker 2: You just don't know what's going on inside inside the

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Speaker 2: the other parties. And it does seem like Takuta Ferris

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Speaker 2: has gone to weave it rogue. And it does when

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Speaker 2: you look at ahearn and RAFTI might be clarcted in

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Speaker 2: an interview the other day she's sort of distanced herself

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Speaker 2: from Taku to Ferris, and the co leaders have been

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Speaker 2: distancing themselves from him a wee. But I do wonder

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Speaker 2: whether there's a disciplinary thing that's probably probably looming for

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Speaker 2: him in the wake of these comments, and whether that

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Speaker 2: results in a bit of a reshuffle. That could very

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Speaker 2: well be the thing. And frustratingly, you know, everyone's having

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Speaker 2: to pieces together from whispers and snippets that that appear

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Speaker 2: in the media because the party is not really front

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Speaker 2: footing and being transparent about what's going on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, what a surprise, Thomas, thanks very much, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thomas Coglan, The Herald's political letter to By the way,

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Speaker 1: Barries not here. Berries had been called away for dad duties. Also,

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Speaker 1: if you're wondering what it is that Stuart Nash said,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to give you a warning that I'm going

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Speaker 1: to tell you in about half an hour. So just

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Speaker 1: if you if you're sensitive to crass language, going to

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Speaker 1: want to, like, you know, have a Gin and tonic

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Speaker 1: or something, get yourself rid. For more from Heather Duplessy

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