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Speaker 1: Controversial US commentator Candice Owens has been granted a visa

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Speaker 1: to work in New Zealand. It comes as a u

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Speaker 1: turn from the government, which had earlier rejected her application

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Speaker 1: that was immigrated in New Zealand that did that. The

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Speaker 1: minister has come in and overruled that author and expert

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Speaker 1: on the far right and alt right extremism, as Byron Clark.

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Speaker 1: He's with me tonight Byron good evening to you think

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Speaker 1: you're Kyonda? So obviously she is coming here. Are you

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Speaker 1: going to go watch you?

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to go watch you. No.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any interest in knowing what how she thinks?

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Speaker 2: Well? I do yes, because obviously, as you mentioned, I've

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Speaker 2: been studying the far right, and while I've mostly focused

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Speaker 2: on people in this country are aware of American influencers

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Speaker 2: like Owen, So I have some familiarity with the sorts

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Speaker 2: that she's promoting. But I wouldn't want to go to

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Speaker 2: one of her speaking events to the buyer buying a

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Speaker 2: ticket and allowing her to drive income from spreading these

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Speaker 2: ideas in this country.

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Speaker 1: What exactly has she said that you think has accept.

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Speaker 2: Well. She's made a number of comments on various issues

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Speaker 2: she's promoted conspiracy theories around COVID nineteen and around members

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Speaker 2: of the LGBT community, such as alleging that a mass

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Speaker 2: shooter in the US was a transgender when it was

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Speaker 2: not a transender person who carried that out. Probably the

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Speaker 2: most egregious they were some of the comments that she's

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Speaker 2: made around Jewish people and the Holocaust, such as suggesting

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Speaker 2: that the Holocaust was an ethnic cleansing that almost happened.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't an eastic cleansing that almost happened, it was an

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Speaker 2: ethic cleinting that did happen and resulted in the mass

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Speaker 2: murder of six million Jewish people and millions of others.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm not defending her, but did she you

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Speaker 1: know when she she said almost happened, as in, it

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Speaker 1: wasn't completely successful, It didn't achieve all the objectives that

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Speaker 1: wanted to what I'm saying, is there is there enough

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Speaker 1: riggle room? Are these issues so fraught and controversial?

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Speaker 3: And then argued back and forth on Twitter a thousand

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Speaker 3: times to the point where they become they have no

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Speaker 3: resemblance to what was originally intended. Is it one of

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Speaker 3: those instances or do you think this is genuinely, you know,

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Speaker 3: inciting hatred stuff.

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Speaker 2: I think it's genuinely Holocaust denial. If you look at

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Speaker 2: the laws around Holocaust denial in Germany and in other

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Speaker 2: European countries that experienced occupation during the Second World War,

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Speaker 2: this would meet the criteria for Holocaust denial. It's also

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Speaker 2: notable that she was a conservative commentator with the American

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Speaker 2: publication The Daily Wire, but after these comments and other

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Speaker 2: comments she's made about Jewish people, she departed from that.

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Speaker 2: And the co founder of the Daily Wire, Ben Shapiro,

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Speaker 2: who is, you know, certainly no liberal or leftist, but

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Speaker 2: as himself Jewish, called these these comments of reprehensible. So

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's really that controversial to say that.

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Speaker 2: I think she has said amount to anti Semitism and

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Speaker 2: Holocaust and ile.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting you bring up Germany because in Germany it's

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Speaker 1: also illegal to save from the river to the sea.

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Speaker 1: On that basis, Chloe Swabur could be in trouble.

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Speaker 2: Hm, yes, And I mean you can debate whether that

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Speaker 2: should be the case or whether it shouldn't. I think

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Speaker 2: that's perhaps a little different from the Holocaust denial law

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Speaker 2: as they have there, being that this is the country

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Speaker 2: that has that legacy of the Holocaust.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's why they have the River to

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Speaker 1: the Sea law as well. It's obviously quite a related issue,

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Speaker 1: is related Yeah, yeah, Byron, interesting one. Obviously's obviously whether

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Speaker 1: we like it or not. She's coming and people will,

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Speaker 1: I guess make up their own minds about whether they go.

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Speaker 1: But great to have you on the show for your

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Speaker 1: perspective tonight, Byron. Thank you, Thank you Byron Clark, author

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Speaker 1: and expert on the far right and alt right extremism.

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