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Speaker 1: Good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: The High Court has ruled that Maori Party MP Maria

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Speaker 2: men Or Kapa king Ei, the one who was ousted,

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Speaker 2: must now be reinstated as a member of the Maori Party.

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Speaker 2: This means you'll be able to attend this weekend's AGM,

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Speaker 2: where big decisions are expected to be made. Graham Edgeler

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Speaker 2: is a constitutional law expert and with us now, hi Graham,

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Speaker 2: Hello Jesus. Is unusual, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: A little? Certainly courts have been involved in political party

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Speaker 1: disputes before, and it's not unusual for courts to sort of, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, well we're adding a two or three months

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Speaker 1: while we sought this thing up. Let's preserve the party's positions.

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Speaker 1: And that's kind of what they've done here. Doesn't always happen,

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Speaker 1: but it's not unknown.

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Speaker 2: Can you think of another occasion where where a court

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Speaker 2: has said an MP must be returned to the party.

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Speaker 1: Not to quite this extent, we've certainly had courts say

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Speaker 1: that parties can't do certain things like take final steps

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Speaker 1: to expel someone or you know, to get someone kicked

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Speaker 1: out of parliament. Often they might side with the party

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Speaker 1: at the end, but you remember the Donna Awa teddi

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Speaker 1: Khua thing that had an interim order in place, where

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Speaker 1: it's okay, don't do anything, but now don't do anything

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Speaker 1: in our while we argue about this in courtant that's

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Speaker 1: sort of the position we're here. Ultimately, if the party

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Speaker 1: Mary wants to get rid of this person from their party,

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Speaker 1: they'll probably be able to do it, and the courts

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Speaker 1: will probably let them, but it might insist on them

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Speaker 1: going through certain processes and making sure that fairness and

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Speaker 1: accuracy and and certain things like that. And so in

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Speaker 1: the interim they're saying, let's leave things the way they work.

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Speaker 1: You're still a member of the party. You can go

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Speaker 1: to the meeting, and you know, we can have a

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Speaker 1: bigger argument, the fuller argument in February next year.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Now, the argument, as you say, is set down

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Speaker 2: for February and the court, So are they able to

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Speaker 2: if they really want to re kick her out between

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Speaker 2: now in February.

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Speaker 1: Probably not, but they could certainly take the decision that

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Speaker 1: decisions that they might need to take so that when

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Speaker 1: we get to February things can happen very quickly. So

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Speaker 1: the court has said this person is a member of

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Speaker 1: your party, and there's a court order, and so they

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Speaker 1: try and take steps, but sort of the earlier steps,

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Speaker 1: not the finalize you've finally kicked out, but some of

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Speaker 1: the earlier processes, you know, including you the HUI this weekend,

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Speaker 1: you know, those can go along and have the discussions

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Speaker 1: that might need to be had, but the ultimate decision

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Speaker 1: who you know, this person stays a member, this person

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Speaker 1: might be kicked out, will probably not be able to

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Speaker 1: happen before February now or a judgment after February.

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Speaker 2: Graham, I don't know how much you know about the

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Speaker 2: politics of the situation, So tell me if you don't.

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Speaker 2: But why does she want to be back in the party?

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Speaker 2: What is the what is the relevance of this? Is

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Speaker 2: this in order to be able to influence a decision

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Speaker 2: this weekend at the AGM about maybe kicking John talmahead out?

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 1: That seems not to be the case. And so one

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Speaker 1: of the things that is part of the part of

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Speaker 1: the process in court was she sought for orders, you know,

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Speaker 1: four different orders stopping John Tummerheae being being the pretty president,

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Speaker 1: stopping her being kicked out under the under the Electoral

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Speaker 1: Integrity Act waki jum law, and a couple of others

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Speaker 1: to judge only made one because in this particular case,

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Speaker 1: Party Marti said, we'll promise those two other ones and

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Speaker 1: this fourth one doesn't need to be happening. So Party

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Speaker 1: Mary said, we're not going to kick you out under

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Speaker 1: the walker jumping. And at this meeting that's coming up on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: we're only going to discuss the things that you that

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Speaker 1: are in the in the agenda. So here are the

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Speaker 1: motions that are going to be coming up this weekend.

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Speaker 1: We promise you those are the only ones, all right,

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Speaker 1: and so you know if you will certainly be able

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Speaker 1: to take part, and that my guess would be that

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Speaker 1: is part of the reason this this has happened, because

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Speaker 1: you know, sort of under the party's constitution, you know,

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Speaker 1: those sorts of things are supposed to happen. Because this

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Speaker 1: isn't just the MP, it's also her Electric Committee who

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Speaker 1: feel they've been sort of left out of the process

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Speaker 1: as well, and they have certain rights that they need

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Speaker 1: to protect. And so yes, yeah, I suspect that the

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Speaker 1: major reason here.

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Speaker 2: Graham, thank you so much. Appreciate it, mate, Graham Age

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Speaker 2: the constitutional law expert.

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