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Speaker 3: Welcome into Podcasts three oh five for the tenth of

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Speaker 3: March twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Great show today.

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Speaker 3: We did get into the COVID nineteen report from the

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Speaker 3: Royal Commission and as you can imagine, that was pretty fiery,

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Speaker 3: and then a great discussion about live animal exports. National

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Speaker 3: have decided not to overturn that band, and I think

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Speaker 3: said yay, National, I'm going to vote for you now

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 3: Saied B very good afternoons. You welcome into Wednesday Show.

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Speaker 3: Great to have your company as always. Hope you're having

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Speaker 3: a fantastic Wednesday after noon.

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Speaker 2: Just me again today Matt is.

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Speaker 3: On important business in Wellington today, but he will be

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Speaker 3: So looking forward to meeting the great people of Totonga tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: But just me today, Maddie. Back with us tomorrow to

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Speaker 3: today's show. It is a doozy for you. After three

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Speaker 3: o'clock I want to have a chat about buying places

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Speaker 3: with history and character. This is after a story in

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Speaker 3: the Herald today residents in tour Bay on Auckland's north shore.

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Speaker 3: They are unhappy about the planned sale of Saint Mary

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Speaker 3: by the Sea, beautiful name with the Anglican parish saying

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Speaker 3: declining attendance and rising costs means it will relocate to

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Speaker 3: Brown's Bay. But the site, valued around a four point

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Speaker 3: So what I want to have a chat about after

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Speaker 3: three o'clock is have you ever bored or thought about

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Speaker 2: What did you do with it? What was the property?

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Speaker 3: three o'clock, after two o'clock, we had plenty of texts

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Speaker 3: about this. On nine two ninety two, the New Zealand

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Speaker 3: government has indicated it will not move to overturn the

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Speaker 3: ban on live live animal exports by sea during this

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Speaker 3: was banned in twenty twenty three following animal welfare concerns,

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Speaker 3: under stricter rules, the so called Golden Golden Operation. However,

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Speaker 3: the Agricultural Minister, Andrew Hoggard said the decision would be

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Speaker 3: There were a lot of hopes, as Andrew Hogard said,

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Speaker 5: If it's a part of I don't think it will

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Speaker 4: So you do you feel you've been contrite at all

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Speaker 5: I mean I said years ago actually that I thought

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Speaker 4: Did you actually make mistakes like straight up and down

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Speaker 3: So one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 2: Be thro good afternoon to you. It is sixteen past one.

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Speaker 3: So the reporting to COVID nineteen found that the government

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Speaker 2: Share your views? Chris, how are you?

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Speaker 2: Thanks, very nice to chat with you. So what's your thought?

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Speaker 3: Do you think this will influence how voters will will

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Speaker 7: That I'm not sure what we'll do for the general

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Speaker 3: Some people will share that sentiment, Chris, But looking at

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Speaker 2: So again I get it.

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Speaker 3: In hindsight, different decisions would be made, Chris have can

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I can see. I can see the difficulties financially

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Speaker 7: most of those decisions, some of them, perhaps I'll advicely,

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Speaker 7: they made most of those decisions with good intentions. They

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Speaker 7: didn't do it with the intention of destroying the economy.

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Speaker 7: They did it, you know, with the intention of walking

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Speaker 7: think they did amazingly.

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Speaker 2: Well do you think it will change the way that

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Speaker 7: Won't change the way that I vote, and said, I

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Speaker 4: COVID Part two. You know what it says by now.

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Speaker 4: Initial response was fine, it went downhill from there. Chris

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Speaker 4: Did you actually make mistakes like straight up and down

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you, twenty three past one, and

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Speaker 2: Just on Chris Hipkins.

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Speaker 3: But what do you say, Oh, one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 9: Yeah, look, I agree with you entirely, but I just

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Speaker 3: So for you, Glenn Gary, I take it it's not

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Speaker 3: The report would just reinforce what you already knew. What

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Speaker 9: Oh look, I just to me, when Labor and power

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Speaker 6: Try and buy some votes.

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Speaker 9: Sorry the guy, he needed to move on straight after

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Speaker 9: Well, look, people that are listening, if they want to

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Speaker 9: They think they were in trouble now mate, we've got

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Speaker 3: Kerry always nice to chat with you, mate, Thank you

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Speaker 10: Safe for Animals is celebrating the ban on livestock exports

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayllan. It is twenty eight to two.

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Speaker 3: This one get a Tyler. Chris Sipkins could rescue a

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Speaker 3: This pretty clear cut, this one. Let's be thankful that

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Speaker 3: a great job at the moment. And this one, Tyler,

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Speaker 3: That's the reality for the entire Auckland population and small businesses.

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Speaker 3: And you clearly still do not get it. Texture I

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Speaker 3: But I had no choice. So of course I am

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Speaker 6: Good, Tyler, you're right.

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Speaker 12: So yeah, Look, the report hasn't changed my mind at all.

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Speaker 12: going to change his mind regardless, you know. But you know,

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Speaker 12: when I saw what I saw and was involved with

439
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Speaker 12: what I was involved with, I just think that, you know,

440
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Speaker 12: at the time, it was something that we had to do,

441
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Speaker 12: and we did it, and globally we succeeded far above

442
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Speaker 12: those western countries that we compare ourselves to, whether it

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Speaker 12: be for COVID or trade or employment or housing. So

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Speaker 12: you know, it's convenient for people who don't lie labor

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Speaker 12: to now all of a sudden not compare those metrics

446
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Speaker 12: because those metrics are important. Those metrics are incredibly important

447
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Speaker 12: because yes, some people couldn't go to a funeral or

448
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Speaker 12: a tonguey like you just said a pro the estimates

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Speaker 12: are twenty thousand people saved, twenty thousand. I don't know

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Speaker 12: whether you lost anyone for Dair through COVID, but if

451
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Speaker 12: you want to stack up twenty thousand bodies in New

452
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Speaker 12: Zealand just so you can go to the movies or whatever,

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Speaker 12: then there's something wrong. And that's Tyler, that's the raw

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Speaker 12: gut to it. So we can sit here like General

455
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Speaker 12: Maushart or Blackadder goes forth pucked away in our little

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Speaker 12: comfy place to go. Well, I wouldn't have done that

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Speaker 12: the day, at that time, at that point of New

458
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Speaker 12: Zealand's history, decisions had to be made.

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Speaker 3: But there's other metrics. And I hear what you're saying, Dave,

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Speaker 3: but there's other metrics involved here. Right is absolutely you

461
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Speaker 3: want to save as many lives as you can. But

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Speaker 3: on the flip side of things, if you look at

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Speaker 3: various statistics on what happens when people lose their businesses,

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Speaker 3: or what happens when mortgage rates go up three to

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Speaker 3: four percent, and the ramifications for that on people's lives

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Speaker 3: and how many lives that can inevitably cost.

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Speaker 2: So it's all about balance.

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Speaker 3: And that was my point that of course we wanted

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Speaker 3: to try and save as many lives as possible, and

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Speaker 3: I do think many people made the decisions they made

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Speaker 3: with the best intentions and they got it wrong. And

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Speaker 3: by admitting they got it wrong, that is the first

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Speaker 3: step before we can all move on and get on

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Speaker 3: with the problems we're facing right now. But I think

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Speaker 3: that's what was lost in this debate, is that you

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Speaker 3: had to balance sit out with people's livelihoods and their

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Speaker 3: own lives. That there were many people, sadly who lost

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Speaker 3: businesses that also did not carry on that ended up

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Speaker 3: potentially taking their own lives. So that's my point, David,

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Speaker 3: is that it's all about the balance.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, but you know, there was a lot of businesses

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Speaker 12: that were saved to Tyler correct and some businesses and

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Speaker 12: the government. One of the reasons why we spent so

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Speaker 12: much is because the big headers, the heavy headers in

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Speaker 12: New Zealand, the Fulnton Hogans of this world, and those

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Speaker 12: big businesses had their hand out, not in a bad way,

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Speaker 12: but they needed their assistance. And the government, I, you

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Speaker 12: and I the taxpayer made sure that people were employed.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 12: And like I say again, if you're not in a

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Speaker 12: situation where you have to make life and death decisions.

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Speaker 7: At the time, you know.

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Speaker 12: Because we can all sit back and with our hands

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Speaker 12: behind our neck and reading back on the letter chair

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Speaker 12: and go well, I wouldn't have done that. But the

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Speaker 12: reality is, Tyler, those decisions had to be made at

497
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Speaker 12: an incredibly fast pace. And like any like any emergency,

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Speaker 12: the christis earthquakes, world wars, we can always look back

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Speaker 12: and have that luxury of going well, I wouldn't have

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Speaker 12: done that, but the reality was we had to make

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Speaker 12: decisions at that time.

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Speaker 2: And I actually agree with that, Dave.

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Speaker 3: I agree with that point, but I and I'm not

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Speaker 3: baying for blood here, but I still want to see

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Speaker 3: those leaders stand up and apologize and admit that they

506
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Speaker 3: got it wrong. Even if that was the case, and

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Speaker 3: I generally believe that was as you say, that they

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Speaker 3: made the best decisions they could with the information that

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Speaker 3: they had at hand. But to have an apology and

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Speaker 3: to have them stand up and say, we thought we

511
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Speaker 3: were doing the right thing, but we didn't and we're sorry,

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Speaker 3: and we wouldn't do that same thing again, and thank

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Speaker 3: god that we've had an inquiry that prepares us better

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Speaker 3: for the future. And I just haven't heard that, And

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's unreasonable. It's not parading people down

516
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Speaker 3: this streets so we can all throw rotten fruit and

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Speaker 3: head hit them.

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Speaker 2: It's just accountability.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, And look, you know, we should say that about

520
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Speaker 12: a lot of things. To Tyler, I don't disagree with you,

521
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Speaker 12: but we shouldn't have built a road down through kai

522
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Speaker 12: Kora because it's always been geologically unstable. But we did,

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Speaker 12: you know, we we you know, we shouldn't have built

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Speaker 12: where we've built in crotches, but we did. The reality is, yes,

525
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Speaker 12: we should always review decisions. That's very much important part

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Speaker 12: of being a manager, being being in charge or making

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Speaker 12: decisions for other people.

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Speaker 11: But you know, don't I don't want to.

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Speaker 12: You know, it's so easy for us to make these

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Speaker 12: decisions in hindsight, you know.

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Speaker 8: Like light Wars.

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Speaker 12: I mean, I drove an ambulance for years. Mate, I

533
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Speaker 12: didn't make decisions immediately immediately, and you know it's really

534
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Speaker 12: easy to say, well, I wouldn't have injected that, or

535
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Speaker 12: I wouldn't have done it. We've just got to do

536
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Speaker 12: what we do at what we're trained to do. And

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Speaker 12: I think when push comes to shove, Tyler, if you

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Speaker 12: compare countries, and I know the Nationals sicker fans won't

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Speaker 12: like that, but if you compare like Ireland with the

540
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Speaker 12: same population, the same general geographic and demographic population, they

541
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Speaker 12: lost six thousand people. We lost a thousand. So what's

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Speaker 12: more important someone's life.

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Speaker 8: For a job?

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Speaker 3: Dave, thank you very much for giving me a buzz,

545
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Speaker 3: and yeah for pushing having the courage of your convictions.

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Speaker 3: You've racked up the text machine, which is a good thing.

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Speaker 3: It's a good debate. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten

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Speaker 3: eighty is that number to call? Can you get your

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Speaker 3: thoughts on the COVID nineteen report and does this influence

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Speaker 3: you ahead of the election in November? It is twenty

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Speaker 3: to two.

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Speaker 1: Back fory surely, Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons taking

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Speaker 1: your calls on Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty,

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Speaker 1: where's the Skoda? Can you crack the god please? SCDA

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Speaker 1: codes every day news dogs, that'd.

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Speaker 3: Be very good afternoons it is eighteen to two, so few,

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Speaker 3: well hundreds of texts coming through on nineteen ninety two.

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Speaker 3: Just in respect to Dave who called earlier, Tyler, why

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Speaker 3: do so many people think saving life that any cost

560
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Speaker 3: was the important, the most important measure. We don't think

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Speaker 3: like that now, nor did we before, or we would

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Speaker 3: have the best healthcare as we would spend all tax

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Speaker 3: dollars on healthcare, or not allow people to drive cars,

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Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. This one let's be hones someone

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Speaker 3: of our size and of course Ireland we were going

566
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Speaker 3: to have a better chance than other countries. Until you

567
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Speaker 3: lose someone during COVID one would not understand there was

568
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Speaker 3: room for improvement. Your last call of Dave was spot on,

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Speaker 3: and this one an apology changes. Nothing could happen, nothing

570
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Speaker 3: can turn back time. Keep them coming through A nine

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Speaker 3: two ninety two afternoon, Jason.

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Speaker 13: Oh afternoon. I'm so so pleased you had to call

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Speaker 13: a light Dave before me, because he's helped shape the

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Speaker 13: way I want to provide my five cents worth. It's

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Speaker 13: a pretty Dave. Didn't hear a little segment this morning

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Speaker 13: with Carrie Wooden who spoke to someone talking about Sweden's response.

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Speaker 13: What he doesn't realize is Sweden actually had a very

578
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Speaker 13: less mandated response. They were still doing things like attending funerals, weddings,

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Speaker 13: births of their children in a less mandated way. Of

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Speaker 13: that what New Zealand had and approves and proofs in

581
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Speaker 13: the pudding. The analytics come years later that their response

582
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Speaker 13: or fatalities due to COVID were the best in Europe.

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Speaker 13: They relied on people using a little old thing called

584
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Speaker 13: common sense. And I bet your bottom dollar if the

585
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Speaker 13: message had to come across by Jacinda A. Durn saying

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Speaker 13: we want you to be responsible, We want you to

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Speaker 13: limit your exposure to parties and going out to nightclubs and.

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Speaker 6: All this stuff.

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Speaker 13: Most people, and I say most would have probably taken

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Speaker 13: a responsible view on that like they did in Sweden day.

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Speaker 13: The fact that we could not attend funerals, go and

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Speaker 13: see a birth of our child, yet we could queue

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Speaker 13: up at a supermarket with a mask on stand a

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Speaker 13: meter apart is nonsensical. What was the risk higher in

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Speaker 13: doing that than it was going to a funeral where

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Speaker 13: you probably would have had six people to ten people.

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Speaker 13: I'll never forgive them for that. It was nonsensical and

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Speaker 13: it was proven by Sweden's response talking to Kerry's Wooden

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Speaker 13: this morning, that they did not need to put those

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Speaker 13: mandated measures in place. I mean she even asked what

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Speaker 13: did the rest what did they think over that part

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Speaker 13: of the world to New Zealand's response, and you could

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Speaker 13: see in the guy's voice, and I can't remember who

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Speaker 13: it was, that he was quite astounded that, you know,

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Speaker 13: we couldn't do things that the Royal Commission of Inquiry

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Speaker 13: has not mentioned, which is all that psychological harm that

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Speaker 13: came about from not being able to attend funerals and

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Speaker 13: bursts of children and stuff like that that's not come

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Speaker 13: out in the metrics for the stats, no mention of it,

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Speaker 13: but I tell you now, having nine people that were

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Speaker 13: exposed to that, Dave, that was more damaging than putting

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Speaker 13: in putting in those you know, those mandated restrictions.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, and that's where I'm sitting at, Jason.

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Speaker 3: I think when you you balance it all up, and

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Speaker 3: you talk about the interview Kerry did with with the

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Speaker 3: analyst from Sweden, but it's that balance between protecting people

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Speaker 3: and protecting our freedoms, and clearly the report indicates that

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Speaker 3: they didn't get a lot of those things right.

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Speaker 13: I mean, how could you say that we can have

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Speaker 13: six hundred people which I was part of a line

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Speaker 13: in the supermarket a meter apart was more likely to

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Speaker 13: cause or least likely to cause a death in going

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Speaker 13: to a tonguey or a funeral or a birth of

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Speaker 13: a child, and a controlled environment.

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Speaker 14: I just don't see it.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's just even you know, you talk about the

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Speaker 3: supermarkets and then so supermarkets were okay to open, but

628
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Speaker 3: your local butchers had to throw away you know, thousands

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Speaker 3: of dollars worth of produce. And I remembered Jason when

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Speaker 3: this first broke out, and obviously working in radio trying

631
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Speaker 3: to get information from the Ministry of Health about the

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Speaker 3: rules and what is okay what is not okay, and

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Speaker 3: you couldn't.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was frustrating.

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Speaker 3: So when they had the supermarket rule, then I'd ring

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Speaker 3: them up or try and get into contact with them

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Speaker 3: to say, okay, but what about butchers.

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Speaker 2: This is in the early stages. They have an answer.

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Speaker 2: So it did feel like at.

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Speaker 3: That time they were making it up as they went along,

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Speaker 3: and there was so much hypocrisy and what you could

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Speaker 3: do or couldn't do, which goes back to my original

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Speaker 3: criticism here is that whole strategy and thinking was so

644
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Speaker 3: heavily aligned with taking away the freedoms to try and

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Speaker 3: so called protect people, but at the cost of what

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Speaker 3: you say, a lot of emotional trauma for people.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, look, I mean look two backdates side of the argument.

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Speaker 13: You know, hindsight's a great thing wise after the event,

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Speaker 13: and yes they had to act on their feet, fast paced.

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Speaker 13: I get all that, but there was inconsistencies there that

651
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Speaker 13: went on way too long. Like they did have the

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Speaker 13: benefit of reviewing how all the metrics as they are

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Speaker 13: coming in. You remember the one o'clock punch and duty

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Speaker 13: show with Cindy and doctor Ashley Bloomfield and Crisipkens every

655
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Speaker 13: one o'clock. You know, they sold us a great yarm.

656
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Speaker 13: We were you know, she was going to save the nation.

657
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Speaker 13: The fact of the matter is, and it's proved by

658
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Speaker 13: others across the globe, that there's no proof to say

659
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Speaker 13: that was going to save twenty thousand lives.

660
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Speaker 6: There is no proof.

661
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think you know most of us is

662
00:32:18,493 --> 00:32:20,853
Speaker 3: that one o'clock briefing carried on and on and on.

663
00:32:21,333 --> 00:32:22,893
Speaker 3: It was in the back of most of our minds,

664
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Speaker 3: right Jason, that those things always seem to start off

665
00:32:25,653 --> 00:32:27,853
Speaker 3: with mung beans and kombai are and we're all going to.

666
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Speaker 2: Work together and be strong. But it falls apart.

667
00:32:30,853 --> 00:32:33,573
Speaker 3: It eventually falls apart, and it did rapidly, and the

668
00:32:33,613 --> 00:32:35,373
Speaker 3: government didn't transition when that happened.

669
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Speaker 13: One thing I would say though, as a's a but

670
00:32:38,693 --> 00:32:41,453
Speaker 13: I'd really like to finish on is I was very

671
00:32:41,453 --> 00:32:43,533
Speaker 13: surprised to hear that one of the criticisms or the

672
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Speaker 13: learnings was the response was poorly communicated.

673
00:32:46,813 --> 00:32:46,973
Speaker 15: Yeah.

674
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Speaker 13: I thought they did an outstanding job. I mean the

675
00:32:48,973 --> 00:32:50,773
Speaker 13: fact that they got on that pulp at one o'clock

676
00:32:50,813 --> 00:32:55,333
Speaker 13: every day. I thought their messaging was it was almost

677
00:32:55,413 --> 00:32:58,293
Speaker 13: oversupply of information. In fact, as you say, I sort

678
00:32:58,293 --> 00:33:01,173
Speaker 13: of tuned off those four weeks into the response. But

679
00:33:01,853 --> 00:33:04,133
Speaker 13: there was one thing I thought they did very well.

680
00:33:03,893 --> 00:33:06,173
Speaker 3: The criticism. Yeah, yeah, that's vera point, Jason, I just

681
00:33:06,253 --> 00:33:08,773
Speaker 3: jump in there. The criticism wasn't for the yearly ages

682
00:33:08,773 --> 00:33:11,893
Speaker 3: of the COVID response. It was more directed once delta

683
00:33:12,013 --> 00:33:14,053
Speaker 3: hit and it all started to fall apart. That was

684
00:33:14,093 --> 00:33:18,013
Speaker 3: where the report criticized a lot of that communication. And

685
00:33:18,093 --> 00:33:21,093
Speaker 3: in regards to the Auckland lockdown and the exit strategy,

686
00:33:21,133 --> 00:33:22,893
Speaker 3: that was where the criticism was focused.

687
00:33:23,093 --> 00:33:26,173
Speaker 13: Sure, no, no, anyway, Look that's my five sents guys.

688
00:33:26,173 --> 00:33:28,133
Speaker 3: Good on you, Jason, thank you very much for giving

689
00:33:28,173 --> 00:33:30,373
Speaker 3: me a bar Zoh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

690
00:33:30,413 --> 00:33:33,213
Speaker 3: that numbered call? What is your view on the COVID

691
00:33:33,293 --> 00:33:36,773
Speaker 3: nineteen report and do you think it will influence how

692
00:33:36,773 --> 00:33:39,693
Speaker 3: people will vote to come November this seventh, It is

693
00:33:39,813 --> 00:33:41,853
Speaker 3: eleven minutes to two back very surely.

694
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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on oh, eight

695
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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons.

696
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Speaker 2: News talks EDB News talks 'b.

697
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Speaker 3: It is excuse me, eight minutes to two, Chris, how

698
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Speaker 3: are you this afternoon?

699
00:33:58,333 --> 00:33:58,733
Speaker 9: Good?

700
00:33:58,773 --> 00:33:59,133
Speaker 16: Thank you?

701
00:34:00,493 --> 00:34:06,333
Speaker 8: A few callers back. I disagreed, I you know, saying

702
00:34:06,373 --> 00:34:11,373
Speaker 8: that you know, if we didn't spend the money on

703
00:34:13,613 --> 00:34:17,093
Speaker 8: things like saving the businesses, he probably had a business.

704
00:34:17,293 --> 00:34:20,533
Speaker 8: He probably wouldn't have had a business today because a

705
00:34:20,573 --> 00:34:25,652
Speaker 8: lot of businesses would a wolf loops. And that's what

706
00:34:25,733 --> 00:34:28,053
Speaker 8: people don't realize. Yes, we spent a lot of money,

707
00:34:28,453 --> 00:34:32,692
Speaker 8: and we helped a lot of other causes, and I

708
00:34:32,733 --> 00:34:35,333
Speaker 8: think we did it right. But there was a lot

709
00:34:35,373 --> 00:34:40,733
Speaker 8: of thought involved as well, but that was because people

710
00:34:40,773 --> 00:34:44,172
Speaker 8: thought it was free money. But the thing is, yeah,

711
00:34:44,253 --> 00:34:46,853
Speaker 8: without without the help that we did, we would have

712
00:34:46,933 --> 00:34:52,172
Speaker 8: probably had, you know, mass.

713
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Speaker 14: Deaths of people.

714
00:34:53,853 --> 00:34:56,933
Speaker 8: We would have had no businesses left, Our hospitality industry

715
00:34:56,973 --> 00:35:00,973
Speaker 8: would have just gone all closed on every street corner,

716
00:35:01,693 --> 00:35:07,652
Speaker 8: and we probably would have had more unemployed, and you know,

717
00:35:08,853 --> 00:35:11,613
Speaker 8: and the course. But I also with the COVID nineteen

718
00:35:12,573 --> 00:35:15,813
Speaker 8: doing the supermarkets for security.

719
00:35:15,933 --> 00:35:16,253
Speaker 7: And.

720
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think having more at a supermarket than less

721
00:35:22,293 --> 00:35:26,293
Speaker 8: than going to a cafe, I think they should have

722
00:35:26,333 --> 00:35:29,093
Speaker 8: done it the other way around, not the supermarkets blows

723
00:35:29,173 --> 00:35:32,613
Speaker 8: them down and have everything else open because I don't

724
00:35:32,653 --> 00:35:35,973
Speaker 8: see the spread being the issue here.

725
00:35:35,813 --> 00:35:37,653
Speaker 3: What you're saying, Chris, And there's a lot of takes

726
00:35:37,653 --> 00:35:40,692
Speaker 3: coming through in the same regards that you know behindsights

727
00:35:40,693 --> 00:35:42,893
Speaker 3: and mistakes were made, but it was about protecting as

728
00:35:42,933 --> 00:35:45,653
Speaker 3: many lives as possible. But when you look at the

729
00:35:45,773 --> 00:35:49,453
Speaker 3: ramifications of those decisions, the sixty billion dollars spent, and

730
00:35:49,493 --> 00:35:51,933
Speaker 3: I'm looking at a report that came out in September

731
00:35:51,933 --> 00:35:54,732
Speaker 3: this year showing that New Zealand's growth is one of the.

732
00:35:54,653 --> 00:35:55,373
Speaker 2: Worst in the world.

733
00:35:55,413 --> 00:35:58,453
Speaker 3: We came in at thirty seventh out of forty three

734
00:35:58,493 --> 00:36:01,573
Speaker 3: other nations, and we're still feeling that ramification, right, And

735
00:36:01,813 --> 00:36:04,453
Speaker 3: a lot of that was down to how much money

736
00:36:04,653 --> 00:36:07,493
Speaker 3: was was pumped into the economy during those years. Now,

737
00:36:07,493 --> 00:36:09,253
Speaker 3: the labor government of the time thought that was the

738
00:36:09,373 --> 00:36:11,652
Speaker 3: right move to keep the economy homing when everything was

739
00:36:11,653 --> 00:36:14,692
Speaker 3: shut down and keep businesses afloat. But now you look

740
00:36:15,173 --> 00:36:19,693
Speaker 3: at five years into a series of technical recessions in

741
00:36:19,693 --> 00:36:21,652
Speaker 3: New Zealand, we're still feeling that pain.

742
00:36:21,773 --> 00:36:23,893
Speaker 2: Now, was it really worth it in the end?

743
00:36:24,493 --> 00:36:24,692
Speaker 6: Yes?

744
00:36:24,773 --> 00:36:28,493
Speaker 8: Another sight to say this the final how different would

745
00:36:28,533 --> 00:36:31,172
Speaker 8: have National done it? If they were in Tower at

746
00:36:31,173 --> 00:36:34,653
Speaker 8: that time, we probably wouldn't have had all the support

747
00:36:34,693 --> 00:36:37,212
Speaker 8: that we were given, considering the cuts that we've had

748
00:36:37,493 --> 00:36:39,853
Speaker 8: through the time, Nationals being a government, So they're not

749
00:36:40,013 --> 00:36:43,013
Speaker 8: all both perfect parties anyway. And I just want to

750
00:36:43,053 --> 00:36:45,613
Speaker 8: say this the final when I was working at the

751
00:36:45,613 --> 00:36:49,732
Speaker 8: supermarkets doing the COVID stuff, one, I didn't like being

752
00:36:49,773 --> 00:36:53,573
Speaker 8: forced to put hand sanitizer on my hands because they

753
00:36:53,613 --> 00:36:55,692
Speaker 8: thought it would prevent spread. Well that's a whole lot

754
00:36:55,693 --> 00:36:59,293
Speaker 8: of rubbish. And also putting a mask on doesn't prevent

755
00:37:01,333 --> 00:37:05,933
Speaker 8: probably twenty thirty percent of spread anyway, because it doesn't

756
00:37:05,973 --> 00:37:08,772
Speaker 8: protect you fully anyway. So I don't know why they've

757
00:37:08,773 --> 00:37:12,573
Speaker 8: wasted money on those resources because I was close to

758
00:37:12,613 --> 00:37:16,653
Speaker 8: everybody anyway, so whether another was breathing or not, Yeah,

759
00:37:16,693 --> 00:37:17,133
Speaker 8: they've got it.

760
00:37:17,173 --> 00:37:19,252
Speaker 3: And I think you're quite right, Chris, But I think

761
00:37:19,293 --> 00:37:22,493
Speaker 3: to be fair for that early advice is that that

762
00:37:22,653 --> 00:37:25,333
Speaker 3: was the best information at hand worldwide, not just in

763
00:37:25,333 --> 00:37:28,013
Speaker 3: New Zealand. And then as they were doing testing and

764
00:37:28,013 --> 00:37:30,772
Speaker 3: getting more information through from those working in the field,

765
00:37:30,853 --> 00:37:35,252
Speaker 3: they realized that those paper masks did sweet bugger all.

766
00:37:35,573 --> 00:37:38,733
Speaker 3: But that was as we went through and dealing with

767
00:37:38,773 --> 00:37:42,293
Speaker 3: a unique situation information that was rapidly evolving. But thank

768
00:37:42,333 --> 00:37:45,692
Speaker 3: you very much for your call. Right, I think that

769
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Speaker 3: is where we'll leave it. There'll be plenty more to

770
00:37:48,093 --> 00:37:50,733
Speaker 3: talk about when it comes to that report as the

771
00:37:50,853 --> 00:37:53,853
Speaker 3: weeks continue. But coming up after two o'clock, I do

772
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Speaker 3: want to have a chat about live animal exports. It

773
00:37:57,013 --> 00:37:58,853
Speaker 3: seems that it's not going to get across the line

774
00:37:58,893 --> 00:38:02,212
Speaker 3: this term. This is despite National saying that they were

775
00:38:02,293 --> 00:38:05,493
Speaker 3: keen to overturn that band on live animal exports. So

776
00:38:05,533 --> 00:38:07,853
Speaker 3: what do you say one hundred eighty ten eighty Is

777
00:38:07,853 --> 00:38:09,933
Speaker 3: that a good decision by this government to keep that

778
00:38:10,013 --> 00:38:12,293
Speaker 3: band in place? And if you're in the farming sector,

779
00:38:12,413 --> 00:38:15,053
Speaker 3: what does this mean for you? Nine two ninety two

780
00:38:15,533 --> 00:38:18,053
Speaker 3: is the text really keen to get your thoughts on

781
00:38:18,093 --> 00:38:21,772
Speaker 3: this one? New sport and weather is fast approaching. Great

782
00:38:21,773 --> 00:38:23,652
Speaker 3: to have your company as always, stay right here. I

783
00:38:23,693 --> 00:38:25,212
Speaker 3: will be back very soon.

784
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Speaker 8: I love Coach Jane.

785
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Speaker 1: No big stories, the leak issues, the big trends and

786
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Speaker 1: everything in between. Kid's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams. Afternoon

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788
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789
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797
00:39:03,173 --> 00:39:05,973
Speaker 3: coming up very shortly. In the meantime, I want to

798
00:39:05,973 --> 00:39:09,133
Speaker 3: discuss this. The government has abandoned plans to lift the

799
00:39:09,133 --> 00:39:12,693
Speaker 3: ban on live animal exports by sea, effectively meaning the

800
00:39:12,733 --> 00:39:17,013
Speaker 3: controversial trade will not resume during this parliamentary term. So

801
00:39:17,133 --> 00:39:19,333
Speaker 3: Cabinet could not find a way to satisfy its own

802
00:39:19,453 --> 00:39:23,693
Speaker 3: coalition agreement and guarantee what it described as the gold

803
00:39:23,773 --> 00:39:28,413
Speaker 3: standard welfare conditions on long ocean voyages, so the repair

804
00:39:28,733 --> 00:39:31,013
Speaker 3: of the twenty twenty three ban has been shelled for

805
00:39:31,053 --> 00:39:33,652
Speaker 3: the time being. The decision, as you can imagine, has

806
00:39:33,693 --> 00:39:37,613
Speaker 3: been welcomed by animal welfare groups and opponents of the trade,

807
00:39:37,693 --> 00:39:41,053
Speaker 3: who have long argued that extended sea journeys are inherently

808
00:39:41,133 --> 00:39:45,693
Speaker 3: cruel and risky, particularly after pass incidents where livestock ships

809
00:39:45,693 --> 00:39:51,293
Speaker 3: suffer disasters at sea. Meanwhile, farmers and industry representatives are disappointed,

810
00:39:51,333 --> 00:39:54,533
Speaker 3: saying the ban has hurt their ability to access high

811
00:39:54,613 --> 00:39:58,652
Speaker 3: value overseas breeding markets and that robust welfare protocols could

812
00:39:58,693 --> 00:40:02,373
Speaker 3: have made live exports viable again. So with the issue

813
00:40:02,413 --> 00:40:04,933
Speaker 3: now off the immediate agenda, the focus has shifted to

814
00:40:05,013 --> 00:40:09,373
Speaker 3: other rural and regulatory priorities, leaving uncertainty for farmers who

815
00:40:09,453 --> 00:40:11,573
Speaker 3: hoped the trade would be reinstated.

816
00:40:11,973 --> 00:40:13,293
Speaker 2: So want to get your thoughts on this.

817
00:40:13,293 --> 00:40:17,093
Speaker 3: This was an agreement made by the National Party with

818
00:40:17,133 --> 00:40:22,973
Speaker 3: coalition partners ahead of being elected and now they've decided

819
00:40:22,973 --> 00:40:25,733
Speaker 3: to not go through with it because Cabinet could not

820
00:40:25,773 --> 00:40:29,053
Speaker 3: find a way to get to the gold standard welfare conditions.

821
00:40:30,333 --> 00:40:31,533
Speaker 2: So is this a good move from you?

822
00:40:31,653 --> 00:40:34,093
Speaker 3: Despite National saying they were going to overturn that, clearly

823
00:40:34,173 --> 00:40:36,453
Speaker 3: that was a nod to farmers and people within the

824
00:40:36,613 --> 00:40:40,133
Speaker 3: industry that they could see there was a possibility of

825
00:40:40,333 --> 00:40:44,733
Speaker 3: reinstating live animal exports as long as.

826
00:40:44,533 --> 00:40:46,493
Speaker 2: Those welfare conditions were met.

827
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Speaker 3: And I know many in the industry at the time

828
00:40:48,733 --> 00:40:50,933
Speaker 3: when this was an issue a couple of years ago,

829
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Speaker 3: when it was banned in twenty twenty three, many industry

830
00:40:53,893 --> 00:40:58,253
Speaker 3: representatives and insiders and farmers where adamants that those welfare

831
00:40:58,293 --> 00:41:01,613
Speaker 3: conditions were top notch, the best in the world. There

832
00:41:01,653 --> 00:41:05,333
Speaker 3: are vets on board, there is constant welfare checks, and

833
00:41:05,373 --> 00:41:09,013
Speaker 3: that gold standard was already being reached. So what do

834
00:41:09,093 --> 00:41:11,453
Speaker 3: you say, Oh, eight hundred eighty, ten eighty is the

835
00:41:11,573 --> 00:41:14,013
Speaker 3: number to call? Nine two nine two is the text?

836
00:41:14,173 --> 00:41:16,973
Speaker 3: Is this a good move from the government to keep

837
00:41:16,973 --> 00:41:19,172
Speaker 3: this ban in place? What does this mean for you

838
00:41:19,253 --> 00:41:21,893
Speaker 3: if you're a farmer or you work in this industry.

839
00:41:22,293 --> 00:41:24,173
Speaker 3: They have been waiting for that. It was a promise

840
00:41:24,253 --> 00:41:27,493
Speaker 3: made during the coalition negotiations and now that has been

841
00:41:27,533 --> 00:41:30,373
Speaker 3: stopped for the time being. And if National don't get

842
00:41:30,373 --> 00:41:32,652
Speaker 3: back into government, it may never come to pass, and

843
00:41:32,693 --> 00:41:35,893
Speaker 3: that band stays on for potentially another three, four or

844
00:41:35,973 --> 00:41:38,493
Speaker 3: five years. So what do you say, oh, eight hundred

845
00:41:38,573 --> 00:41:41,373
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty, Is this a mistake from the National

846
00:41:41,413 --> 00:41:44,253
Speaker 3: Party or do you think this is a great move

847
00:41:44,333 --> 00:41:47,293
Speaker 3: that they never should have considered lifting the ban in

848
00:41:47,373 --> 00:41:50,013
Speaker 3: the first place. Keen to get your views, and if

849
00:41:50,053 --> 00:41:53,413
Speaker 3: you work in the industry of live animal trade and exports,

850
00:41:53,813 --> 00:41:56,813
Speaker 3: really really keen to get your analysis on this. Oh,

851
00:41:56,853 --> 00:41:58,893
Speaker 3: one hundred eighty ten eighty is that number? It is

852
00:41:59,053 --> 00:42:01,053
Speaker 3: ten past two back for surely.

853
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Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call,

854
00:42:07,613 --> 00:42:12,733
Speaker 1: Oh eight hundred eighty us talk, Senvy, Very.

855
00:42:12,573 --> 00:42:15,652
Speaker 3: Good afternoon to you. So we're talking about live animal exports.

856
00:42:15,693 --> 00:42:17,853
Speaker 3: The band was put in place in twenty twenty three.

857
00:42:18,013 --> 00:42:21,973
Speaker 3: National indicated after coalition negotiations that they would look to

858
00:42:22,133 --> 00:42:24,853
Speaker 3: remove that ban in their first term, but they've now

859
00:42:24,893 --> 00:42:27,453
Speaker 3: decided they're not going to do that this parliamentary term.

860
00:42:27,493 --> 00:42:31,133
Speaker 3: There was an inability to get agreement around the cabinet

861
00:42:31,133 --> 00:42:33,773
Speaker 3: table for what they call the gold standard when it

862
00:42:33,813 --> 00:42:35,693
Speaker 3: comes to welfare. So is this a good mover or

863
00:42:35,733 --> 00:42:37,293
Speaker 3: is this a mistake? O eight hundred and eighty ten

864
00:42:37,373 --> 00:42:38,853
Speaker 3: eighty is that number?

865
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Speaker 2: Two call?

866
00:42:39,453 --> 00:42:42,333
Speaker 3: So, when you break it down pros and cons pros

867
00:42:42,453 --> 00:42:45,213
Speaker 3: is obviously the economic value for farmers. The live exports

868
00:42:45,213 --> 00:42:48,173
Speaker 3: can bring higher returns, especially for breeding stock sold to

869
00:42:48,213 --> 00:42:51,693
Speaker 3: overseas markets that access to the global markets. Some countries

870
00:42:51,733 --> 00:42:54,613
Speaker 3: prefer to import live animals rather than shield or frozen meat,

871
00:42:54,653 --> 00:42:59,293
Speaker 3: keeping trade relationships open. It creates jobs clearly, flexibility for buyers,

872
00:42:59,333 --> 00:43:02,213
Speaker 3: diversification and on the conside I think that's.

873
00:43:02,013 --> 00:43:03,613
Speaker 2: Pretty clear that animal welfare risks.

874
00:43:03,693 --> 00:43:06,413
Speaker 3: Long sea journeys can cause stress, injury, disease and even

875
00:43:06,453 --> 00:43:09,333
Speaker 3: death and public and can shoe make concern. Many New

876
00:43:09,413 --> 00:43:12,692
Speaker 3: Zealanders strongly opposed the live experts seen it. That's unethical

877
00:43:13,173 --> 00:43:15,493
Speaker 3: and cruel. So what do you say, Oh, one hundred

878
00:43:15,533 --> 00:43:17,253
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call, Get a.

879
00:43:17,293 --> 00:43:20,533
Speaker 6: Mark, get a Yeah.

880
00:43:20,693 --> 00:43:23,813
Speaker 17: I'm a I'm a farmer in the in the white shadow,

881
00:43:24,053 --> 00:43:29,653
Speaker 17: and I reckon that they're just giving away all our genetics.

882
00:43:29,773 --> 00:43:34,533
Speaker 17: And you know, we've been working away getting these these

883
00:43:34,973 --> 00:43:37,172
Speaker 17: good breeding stock and then they're just giving it away

884
00:43:37,213 --> 00:43:40,172
Speaker 17: to China or whoever, and sooner or later they'll go.

885
00:43:40,533 --> 00:43:42,533
Speaker 6: Oh, well, we don't really need your milk anymore.

886
00:43:42,853 --> 00:43:47,853
Speaker 17: And it just seems, you know, for I don't know,

887
00:43:47,933 --> 00:43:50,692
Speaker 17: they might get a grand more than it than they

888
00:43:50,733 --> 00:43:54,253
Speaker 17: do over here for the same animal, but so what

889
00:43:54,253 --> 00:43:57,573
Speaker 17: what's the grand and the end? You know, like it's

890
00:43:58,093 --> 00:44:01,453
Speaker 17: it seems silly to me to give all our good

891
00:44:01,493 --> 00:44:02,213
Speaker 17: animals away.

892
00:44:02,413 --> 00:44:03,213
Speaker 2: It's a fair point.

893
00:44:03,253 --> 00:44:06,973
Speaker 3: And that was long the argument that China in particular

894
00:44:07,293 --> 00:44:10,053
Speaker 3: is looking at that vertical integration that you know, they

895
00:44:10,053 --> 00:44:12,933
Speaker 3: want all parts of the business when it comes to

896
00:44:12,973 --> 00:44:14,773
Speaker 3: the likes of dairy. So they've got the best cows,

897
00:44:14,813 --> 00:44:16,333
Speaker 3: then they've got the best milk, and then they've got

898
00:44:16,333 --> 00:44:17,533
Speaker 3: the best trading conditions.

899
00:44:17,893 --> 00:44:18,732
Speaker 2: So that's a fair point.

900
00:44:18,773 --> 00:44:21,212
Speaker 3: But it can work both ways as well, right, Mark,

901
00:44:21,333 --> 00:44:24,573
Speaker 3: is that we can have it come come towards us,

902
00:44:24,653 --> 00:44:26,573
Speaker 3: that we get some of those good genetics coming from

903
00:44:26,613 --> 00:44:30,493
Speaker 3: other nations and also opening up those trade partners and

904
00:44:30,853 --> 00:44:33,133
Speaker 3: the export dollars is something to balance out on the

905
00:44:33,133 --> 00:44:33,893
Speaker 3: flip side.

906
00:44:35,133 --> 00:44:37,652
Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, I mean when it.

907
00:44:37,613 --> 00:44:38,853
Speaker 2: Comes to yeah, sorry you go.

908
00:44:38,853 --> 00:44:41,733
Speaker 6: Mate, Yes, no, well that's just my thoughts anyway. But

909
00:44:42,813 --> 00:44:45,453
Speaker 6: you know, like somebody's going to say that, oh you

910
00:44:45,493 --> 00:44:47,813
Speaker 6: know what, Yeah.

911
00:44:47,613 --> 00:44:50,093
Speaker 3: There's always what about is I get that? What about

912
00:44:50,533 --> 00:44:54,253
Speaker 3: the welfare considerations as a farmer? Do you do you

913
00:44:54,373 --> 00:44:57,293
Speaker 3: think there's some sort of valid criticism on that or

914
00:44:57,373 --> 00:45:00,813
Speaker 3: that as a lot of industry representative said two years

915
00:45:00,853 --> 00:45:02,853
Speaker 3: ago that we are already at the gold standard.

916
00:45:04,293 --> 00:45:07,053
Speaker 17: Well, the thing was they're going to go on about

917
00:45:07,093 --> 00:45:09,453
Speaker 17: the ship they'd sunk in the whole lot we valley

918
00:45:09,533 --> 00:45:11,533
Speaker 17: up and you know, but.

919
00:45:13,293 --> 00:45:15,973
Speaker 6: It's probably not the nicest you know, like to be there.

920
00:45:16,333 --> 00:45:18,613
Speaker 17: I pulled an animal out of the drain yesterday and

921
00:45:18,613 --> 00:45:21,533
Speaker 17: it was you know, like you get live ones, you

922
00:45:21,573 --> 00:45:26,413
Speaker 17: get dead ones, man, and that's just farming, and that's

923
00:45:26,453 --> 00:45:26,893
Speaker 17: just life.

924
00:45:26,933 --> 00:45:27,213
Speaker 7: Really.

925
00:45:27,413 --> 00:45:30,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Mark, thank you very much for kicking

926
00:45:30,133 --> 00:45:32,013
Speaker 3: us off. Great to hear from you, and he's not wrong.

927
00:45:32,093 --> 00:45:33,693
Speaker 3: I think that is part of the criticism, that it

928
00:45:33,733 --> 00:45:36,692
Speaker 3: protects our our genetics and our breeding stock that is

929
00:45:36,733 --> 00:45:39,652
Speaker 3: incredibly valuable around the world. But what do you say

930
00:45:39,773 --> 00:45:43,253
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty when it comes to welfare,

931
00:45:43,733 --> 00:45:46,013
Speaker 3: is this something that's important to you as a New Zealander.

932
00:45:46,053 --> 00:45:48,653
Speaker 3: I think we do take our animal welfare very seriously,

933
00:45:48,693 --> 00:45:51,253
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of hypocrisy when it comes to

934
00:45:51,293 --> 00:45:53,533
Speaker 3: our imports and exports. The one I keep coming back

935
00:45:53,573 --> 00:45:56,613
Speaker 3: to is our pork industry, where our pork farmers have

936
00:45:56,893 --> 00:46:01,253
Speaker 3: very strict regulations into how they can house pigs and

937
00:46:01,293 --> 00:46:04,453
Speaker 3: what size the cages are, et cetera, et cetera. But

938
00:46:04,533 --> 00:46:08,493
Speaker 3: the pork coming into New Zealand has none of those regulations,

939
00:46:08,493 --> 00:46:11,173
Speaker 3: no idea on what the wealthy conditions are like for

940
00:46:11,253 --> 00:46:13,933
Speaker 3: pegs overseas, but that imported pork still comes in. So

941
00:46:14,013 --> 00:46:15,613
Speaker 3: is that important for you when it comes to live

942
00:46:15,733 --> 00:46:18,213
Speaker 3: animal exports? So eight one hundred and eighty eighteen eighty

943
00:46:18,453 --> 00:46:20,813
Speaker 3: is the number. And how are you this afternoon?

944
00:46:22,293 --> 00:46:25,453
Speaker 18: I'm fine that I didn't like that they'd of talking

945
00:46:25,493 --> 00:46:29,053
Speaker 18: about I'm talking on behalf of my late husband. Actually,

946
00:46:29,333 --> 00:46:32,213
Speaker 18: even though I went to agricultural college and feel the

947
00:46:32,253 --> 00:46:37,333
Speaker 18: same way he did. He he lectured, so he knew

948
00:46:37,373 --> 00:46:40,093
Speaker 18: what he was talking about. And he said it was

949
00:46:40,133 --> 00:46:43,453
Speaker 18: the cruelest thing he could do, and there was absolutely

950
00:46:43,853 --> 00:46:47,893
Speaker 18: no reason why you can't send semen over to the

951
00:46:47,933 --> 00:46:52,613
Speaker 18: different countries and they use the semen to produce the animals.

952
00:46:53,093 --> 00:46:57,453
Speaker 18: And he was very strong on this. And they've got

953
00:46:57,493 --> 00:47:01,373
Speaker 18: three stomachs I think two three stomachs cattle, and so

954
00:47:01,453 --> 00:47:04,653
Speaker 18: they can't just be sick like we are on a boat.

955
00:47:05,293 --> 00:47:08,813
Speaker 18: And I promised him, because he died young, that are

956
00:47:08,973 --> 00:47:11,893
Speaker 18: anything like this came up, I would point out that

957
00:47:11,973 --> 00:47:16,413
Speaker 18: it can be done this way by pers sending semen over.

958
00:47:17,413 --> 00:47:20,293
Speaker 3: Would that still get the same price in I'm just

959
00:47:20,333 --> 00:47:22,453
Speaker 3: thinking of that in my head, that seems like a

960
00:47:22,533 --> 00:47:26,013
Speaker 3: logical move. But when we're looking at the export dollar

961
00:47:26,093 --> 00:47:28,732
Speaker 3: side of things, does that you know, do you get

962
00:47:28,733 --> 00:47:30,093
Speaker 3: the same same being for buck?

963
00:47:31,213 --> 00:47:34,693
Speaker 18: I don't know, but from when from reading his stuff

964
00:47:34,733 --> 00:47:37,613
Speaker 18: when he was about it was much much cheaper to

965
00:47:37,613 --> 00:47:41,133
Speaker 18: do that than to send cattle over semen over you

966
00:47:41,253 --> 00:47:45,172
Speaker 18: know it little bottles should I did much?

967
00:47:45,533 --> 00:47:49,933
Speaker 2: So what was cruel about it? From from your husband's experience? What?

968
00:47:49,933 --> 00:47:51,413
Speaker 2: What was he on those ships?

969
00:47:51,533 --> 00:47:51,693
Speaker 6: Was he?

970
00:47:51,733 --> 00:47:52,773
Speaker 2: And or he?

971
00:47:54,613 --> 00:47:54,813
Speaker 8: Well?

972
00:47:54,893 --> 00:47:58,493
Speaker 18: The thing is they can't throw up like we can.

973
00:47:58,613 --> 00:48:01,573
Speaker 18: It's we get upset on our stomachs because they've got

974
00:48:01,773 --> 00:48:05,652
Speaker 18: I think two or three stomachs and they're very very ill,

975
00:48:05,933 --> 00:48:07,853
Speaker 18: and they can't get rid of it. In anyway, it

976
00:48:07,933 --> 00:48:11,453
Speaker 18: must be appallingly cruel. And he was a very sensible

977
00:48:11,533 --> 00:48:14,613
Speaker 18: person and he wouldn't have said that if he didn't

978
00:48:14,653 --> 00:48:17,453
Speaker 18: mean it. And I went with him to the farms

979
00:48:17,493 --> 00:48:19,573
Speaker 18: that had had the semen and they've got the cattle

980
00:48:19,613 --> 00:48:23,133
Speaker 18: out there. They didn't look quite right for the conditions there,

981
00:48:23,293 --> 00:48:24,573
Speaker 18: but they didn't look too bad.

982
00:48:24,813 --> 00:48:25,813
Speaker 9: I mean, it's very.

983
00:48:25,733 --> 00:48:28,133
Speaker 18: Rough out there some of the places we went to

984
00:48:28,253 --> 00:48:33,693
Speaker 18: in Africa a lot, and even America. But I promised

985
00:48:33,733 --> 00:48:37,373
Speaker 18: him that I would always say if somebody who was

986
00:48:37,453 --> 00:48:38,453
Speaker 18: talking about it.

987
00:48:38,853 --> 00:48:40,573
Speaker 3: Well good on you, Ann, And you've done just that.

988
00:48:40,693 --> 00:48:42,333
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for your call. So do you

989
00:48:42,373 --> 00:48:45,812
Speaker 3: agree with Ann? Is there better ways to still tap

990
00:48:45,853 --> 00:48:49,013
Speaker 3: into that export dollar rather than live animal exports. And

991
00:48:49,053 --> 00:48:52,613
Speaker 3: if you're in the farming business, if you're a dairy farmer,

992
00:48:52,853 --> 00:48:56,413
Speaker 3: or you involved or were involved in live animal exports,

993
00:48:56,453 --> 00:48:58,573
Speaker 3: how do you feel about this decision? I know many

994
00:48:58,573 --> 00:49:01,373
Speaker 3: in the industry were waiting for that to come through

995
00:49:01,413 --> 00:49:04,093
Speaker 3: from the National Party. It was indicated in that coalition

996
00:49:05,013 --> 00:49:08,613
Speaker 3: negotiation and clearly it's not going to happen this term.

997
00:49:09,133 --> 00:49:10,213
Speaker 2: So how does that impact you?

998
00:49:10,213 --> 00:49:12,293
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

999
00:49:12,293 --> 00:49:16,292
Speaker 3: call back fory sortly It is twenty past two.

1000
00:49:18,453 --> 00:49:22,133
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1001
00:49:22,213 --> 00:49:24,093
Speaker 1: ten eighty on Youth Talk ZB.

1002
00:49:24,213 --> 00:49:27,172
Speaker 3: Twenty two past two. We're talking about live animal exports.

1003
00:49:27,213 --> 00:49:29,373
Speaker 3: The band was put in place in twenty twenty three

1004
00:49:29,773 --> 00:49:33,053
Speaker 3: and it's just been revealed that National will not push

1005
00:49:33,093 --> 00:49:36,973
Speaker 3: through with reversing that band this parliamentary term. The reason

1006
00:49:37,213 --> 00:49:40,013
Speaker 3: is they couldn't get agreement around the cabinet table on

1007
00:49:40,333 --> 00:49:42,973
Speaker 3: what they describe as the gold standard when it comes

1008
00:49:42,973 --> 00:49:45,213
Speaker 3: to welfare. So if you're involved, if you're affected by this,

1009
00:49:45,253 --> 00:49:47,333
Speaker 3: I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to

1010
00:49:47,333 --> 00:49:48,573
Speaker 3: call get assignment.

1011
00:49:49,853 --> 00:49:52,813
Speaker 2: Yeah. Good. So you're involved in live export.

1012
00:49:52,533 --> 00:49:52,973
Speaker 19: Is that right?

1013
00:49:53,653 --> 00:49:54,212
Speaker 20: Yeah? Yeah.

1014
00:49:54,293 --> 00:49:56,293
Speaker 19: First thing I'd like to get off my chest is

1015
00:49:56,333 --> 00:50:01,172
Speaker 19: a long time listener, first one caller. But yeah, I've

1016
00:50:01,253 --> 00:50:06,733
Speaker 19: sent beef heippers to China before, and I think i'd

1017
00:50:06,733 --> 00:50:09,212
Speaker 19: put myself in the same category as ninety nine percent

1018
00:50:09,253 --> 00:50:11,493
Speaker 19: of farmers in New Zealand, where we probably look after

1019
00:50:11,573 --> 00:50:17,293
Speaker 19: animals for ourselves. And so I I quiz these guys

1020
00:50:17,413 --> 00:50:20,573
Speaker 19: on what what what's the journey like from from leaving

1021
00:50:20,613 --> 00:50:24,253
Speaker 19: my place till until they get to China? And so

1022
00:50:24,293 --> 00:50:25,693
Speaker 19: I think back in the day, I was thinking I

1023
00:50:25,773 --> 00:50:27,893
Speaker 19: was getting about probably two grand for these heaps, which

1024
00:50:27,893 --> 00:50:30,693
Speaker 19: is probably about six hundred dollars more than what I

1025
00:50:30,733 --> 00:50:32,693
Speaker 19: would have got for them selling them in New Zealand.

1026
00:50:32,853 --> 00:50:34,692
Speaker 2: Sorry, how much more? I just missed that six hundred

1027
00:50:34,733 --> 00:50:35,133
Speaker 2: bucks more?

1028
00:50:35,373 --> 00:50:38,813
Speaker 19: It was about it's about six hundred bucks more. And

1029
00:50:38,893 --> 00:50:41,172
Speaker 19: so it's not it's not a game changer, but it's

1030
00:50:41,173 --> 00:50:41,692
Speaker 19: so you just.

1031
00:50:41,653 --> 00:50:44,253
Speaker 8: Get and at the last.

1032
00:50:44,013 --> 00:50:46,013
Speaker 19: Call about getting rid of your genetics. You don't send

1033
00:50:46,013 --> 00:50:49,212
Speaker 19: your beer, you send your your lesser ones if you're

1034
00:50:49,253 --> 00:50:53,013
Speaker 19: if you're smart about it, and they and you you

1035
00:50:53,053 --> 00:50:55,453
Speaker 19: say you exist, you don't. So you don't you don't

1036
00:50:55,773 --> 00:50:59,013
Speaker 19: sell your your stock and anything. Well, now i'm you know,

1037
00:50:59,093 --> 00:51:01,692
Speaker 19: I'm sure I'm stuck. But anyway, I think I was made.

1038
00:51:01,693 --> 00:51:03,213
Speaker 8: I think I think it's about two grand.

1039
00:51:03,493 --> 00:51:05,813
Speaker 20: But I asked how much does it does it cost.

1040
00:51:06,933 --> 00:51:09,652
Speaker 8: The China when he gets them?

1041
00:51:09,653 --> 00:51:12,093
Speaker 19: And it's eight grand, So there's sixth grand been gobbled

1042
00:51:12,173 --> 00:51:14,413
Speaker 19: up here and so this they're not going to get

1043
00:51:14,693 --> 00:51:16,933
Speaker 19: treated poorly when they cost you that much.

1044
00:51:17,533 --> 00:51:20,773
Speaker 3: And so I'm just bringing that down. So two k

1045
00:51:20,893 --> 00:51:23,493
Speaker 3: for you, which about six hundred more than selling it domestically.

1046
00:51:23,973 --> 00:51:26,493
Speaker 3: Then they buy it for eight grand, so six k

1047
00:51:26,733 --> 00:51:28,973
Speaker 3: to the people involved in the live experts.

1048
00:51:28,613 --> 00:51:30,893
Speaker 19: Side London, China was eight grand.

1049
00:51:30,933 --> 00:51:34,093
Speaker 2: Yeh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's.

1050
00:51:33,933 --> 00:51:34,653
Speaker 6: A big difference.

1051
00:51:34,653 --> 00:51:37,172
Speaker 19: And he just said, look the guy, because they're come

1052
00:51:37,173 --> 00:51:39,573
Speaker 19: into blood tests and make sure there's no there's nothing

1053
00:51:39,613 --> 00:51:43,013
Speaker 19: wrong with them. And he said he's been on the

1054
00:51:43,013 --> 00:51:46,773
Speaker 19: boats many times and he said that you'll always see

1055
00:51:46,773 --> 00:51:48,773
Speaker 19: the media put it on the footage jobs of worst

1056
00:51:48,773 --> 00:51:53,653
Speaker 19: case scenarios, and usually the footage isn't even in New Zealand, so's.

1057
00:51:52,813 --> 00:51:53,692
Speaker 2: There's a lot of hard time.

1058
00:51:53,733 --> 00:51:56,373
Speaker 3: And there's a text that came through here from Nathan

1059
00:51:56,573 --> 00:51:58,172
Speaker 3: and he had a bit of a crack to start

1060
00:51:58,173 --> 00:52:00,053
Speaker 3: off with, which is fair enough, said Tyler Clip. You

1061
00:52:00,093 --> 00:52:02,133
Speaker 3: haven't done your research properly. But he goes on and

1062
00:52:02,173 --> 00:52:04,093
Speaker 3: this is what I heard back in twenty twenty three

1063
00:52:04,093 --> 00:52:07,573
Speaker 3: when the industry was, you know, was stating their case

1064
00:52:07,613 --> 00:52:10,133
Speaker 3: the animal wealth fear was always top priority. And he

1065
00:52:10,173 --> 00:52:12,853
Speaker 3: goes on to say that you know, the likes of

1066
00:52:12,933 --> 00:52:15,453
Speaker 3: China or anybody else taking on these kettle, they don't

1067
00:52:15,453 --> 00:52:19,413
Speaker 3: want sickly cattle who have lost weight. He sees, animal

1068
00:52:19,413 --> 00:52:22,652
Speaker 3: welfare was always top priority. Physiologically, an animal will not

1069
00:52:22,693 --> 00:52:25,693
Speaker 3: put on weight under duress, and these cattle put on

1070
00:52:25,733 --> 00:52:28,333
Speaker 3: weight to meet targets at landing. It's purely a social

1071
00:52:28,333 --> 00:52:31,732
Speaker 3: contract between the industry and the public as to why

1072
00:52:31,773 --> 00:52:34,933
Speaker 3: it got canned. But China would never take animals that

1073
00:52:34,973 --> 00:52:36,333
Speaker 3: will treat it poorly in the first place.

1074
00:52:37,213 --> 00:52:37,812
Speaker 7: Yeah, yep.

1075
00:52:38,013 --> 00:52:40,652
Speaker 19: And with the caller who was speaking on behalf of

1076
00:52:40,653 --> 00:52:43,733
Speaker 19: her late husband, no offense, but she said the animals

1077
00:52:43,893 --> 00:52:46,133
Speaker 19: two or three stomach they have four, and that they

1078
00:52:46,173 --> 00:52:49,533
Speaker 19: can't vomit well. A ruminate vomits multiple times a day

1079
00:52:49,693 --> 00:52:51,373
Speaker 19: as they eat grass, and their vomit it back up

1080
00:52:51,453 --> 00:52:52,373
Speaker 19: and chew it again.

1081
00:52:52,533 --> 00:52:56,573
Speaker 6: So they can vomit if they want to. Yeah, it's

1082
00:52:57,533 --> 00:53:00,413
Speaker 6: it's fine. It's the only thing that's probably a little

1083
00:53:00,453 --> 00:53:01,573
Speaker 6: bit cruel is the way.

1084
00:53:01,453 --> 00:53:03,533
Speaker 19: They change it, not onto a hard feet, because they

1085
00:53:03,533 --> 00:53:05,652
Speaker 19: really want to reduce inffluence on the boat.

1086
00:53:06,013 --> 00:53:09,253
Speaker 2: Right, So what is that? Yeah? What does that do

1087
00:53:09,333 --> 00:53:12,133
Speaker 2: to the kettle when you change that feed Oh, it's

1088
00:53:12,173 --> 00:53:12,813
Speaker 2: a's transition.

1089
00:53:12,893 --> 00:53:15,853
Speaker 19: They go to a like a transition farm called lock

1090
00:53:15,893 --> 00:53:19,693
Speaker 19: and Vale Station in the Napy Tabo Road and they

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00:53:19,773 --> 00:53:21,453
Speaker 19: had them as like it as a feed lot and

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00:53:22,493 --> 00:53:24,533
Speaker 19: convert their diet ready for the boats. But it takes

1093
00:53:24,613 --> 00:53:28,013
Speaker 19: weeks and weeks of slowly changing their diet and getting

1094
00:53:28,013 --> 00:53:32,252
Speaker 19: them ready for transport. And then again they can still

1095
00:53:32,253 --> 00:53:35,453
Speaker 19: get rejected before they if suddenly is not right, or

1096
00:53:35,493 --> 00:53:37,733
Speaker 19: they don't walk right, or anything doesn't look right, they

1097
00:53:37,733 --> 00:53:39,653
Speaker 19: don't they're instant to get rejected. So it's only the

1098
00:53:39,733 --> 00:53:42,013
Speaker 19: best of the best. They get on the boat and

1099
00:53:42,333 --> 00:53:44,373
Speaker 19: they are ready, they're ready, they're ready for travel. By

1100
00:53:44,413 --> 00:53:46,413
Speaker 19: the time they get put on the boat, they're ready

1101
00:53:46,453 --> 00:53:46,613
Speaker 19: to go.

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Speaker 3: So I don't and I don't want to put words

1103
00:53:49,053 --> 00:53:50,573
Speaker 3: in your in your mouth he assignment and maybe you

1104
00:53:50,613 --> 00:53:54,573
Speaker 3: know this is how I see it. That this government reversal,

1105
00:53:55,013 --> 00:53:57,613
Speaker 3: they could probably see and they know that overall the

1106
00:53:57,933 --> 00:54:00,893
Speaker 3: wealthier side of things is top notch and they probably

1107
00:54:00,973 --> 00:54:02,253
Speaker 3: can reach that gold standard.

1108
00:54:02,573 --> 00:54:04,973
Speaker 2: But trying to get it across the line with the

1109
00:54:05,093 --> 00:54:06,093
Speaker 2: general public.

1110
00:54:05,853 --> 00:54:08,653
Speaker 3: Who quite rightly care about animal welfare, they might have

1111
00:54:08,693 --> 00:54:09,893
Speaker 3: put that in the too hard basket.

1112
00:54:09,973 --> 00:54:11,613
Speaker 2: Hence the reason that they're not going to overturn it.

1113
00:54:13,613 --> 00:54:15,893
Speaker 19: Get a non Vince documentary to go on a ship

1114
00:54:16,253 --> 00:54:18,933
Speaker 19: and that would probably change your mind, as we know,

1115
00:54:19,093 --> 00:54:21,693
Speaker 19: like I'm I'm, I'm as far right as you can go.

1116
00:54:21,813 --> 00:54:23,573
Speaker 19: I think I'm elect falls.

1117
00:54:24,853 --> 00:54:28,893
Speaker 3: Good yeah, mate, good cheers, mate. Nice to hear from

1118
00:54:28,933 --> 00:54:30,053
Speaker 3: you say that. Simon's thought.

1119
00:54:30,093 --> 00:54:32,733
Speaker 2: And he's been involved in that, the live export business.

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00:54:32,813 --> 00:54:34,453
Speaker 3: He's done it before, and he said he got about

1121
00:54:34,453 --> 00:54:36,733
Speaker 3: two k per kettle, which is six hundred bucks more

1122
00:54:36,813 --> 00:54:39,093
Speaker 3: than if he sold it domestically. And he made the

1123
00:54:39,133 --> 00:54:43,453
Speaker 3: point that China, particularly China, but some other nations are

1124
00:54:43,533 --> 00:54:46,013
Speaker 3: not in that game. The live animal export to have

1125
00:54:46,293 --> 00:54:49,812
Speaker 3: sickly uncared for cows by the time they reach land

1126
00:54:49,893 --> 00:54:52,773
Speaker 3: in China, they're worthless effectively to the Chinese who are

1127
00:54:52,773 --> 00:54:54,733
Speaker 3: paying eight thousand dollars per kettle.

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Speaker 2: But what do you say, is this the right move

1129
00:54:56,453 --> 00:54:56,973
Speaker 2: by Nashville.

1130
00:54:57,013 --> 00:54:59,493
Speaker 3: Do you have worries about animal welfare when it comes

1131
00:54:59,533 --> 00:55:02,253
Speaker 3: to these live exports, or if you're a farmer or

1132
00:55:02,293 --> 00:55:04,493
Speaker 3: you're in the industry, is this a mistake? Nine to

1133
00:55:04,533 --> 00:55:07,093
Speaker 3: two ninety two is the text as well. Headlines with

1134
00:55:07,213 --> 00:55:09,173
Speaker 3: Raylene coming up very surely.

1135
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1140
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1143
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1144
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1150
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1153
00:56:25,613 --> 00:56:26,253
Speaker 10: Ethan Tyler.

1154
00:56:26,333 --> 00:56:29,212
Speaker 3: Adam, thank you very much, Raylean, And we're discussing live

1155
00:56:29,333 --> 00:56:32,533
Speaker 3: animal exports. The government has indicated it's not going to

1156
00:56:32,573 --> 00:56:35,893
Speaker 3: push through with overturning that band this parliamentary term because

1157
00:56:35,893 --> 00:56:38,653
Speaker 3: they couldn't get agreement around the cabinet table of the

1158
00:56:38,773 --> 00:56:41,693
Speaker 3: so called gold standard when it comes to welfare. So

1159
00:56:41,813 --> 00:56:43,573
Speaker 3: do you think this was a mistake, oh eight hundred

1160
00:56:43,573 --> 00:56:46,013
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty or are you happy that the

1161
00:56:46,053 --> 00:56:48,093
Speaker 3: government has decided not to push through with this? Is

1162
00:56:48,173 --> 00:56:50,853
Speaker 3: animal welfare a key priority for you? And do you

1163
00:56:50,973 --> 00:56:54,013
Speaker 3: think it is cruel that we were prior to twenty

1164
00:56:54,053 --> 00:56:56,933
Speaker 3: twenty three shipping live animals to the likes of China

1165
00:56:57,333 --> 00:56:58,093
Speaker 3: and the Middle East.

1166
00:56:58,413 --> 00:57:00,172
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1167
00:57:00,173 --> 00:57:01,293
Speaker 2: to call, Kevin? How are you.

1168
00:57:02,893 --> 00:57:03,013
Speaker 10: There?

1169
00:57:03,053 --> 00:57:03,653
Speaker 16: You going Tyler?

1170
00:57:03,773 --> 00:57:07,933
Speaker 8: I'm very good mate, good good, well, I'm an x cocky.

1171
00:57:08,333 --> 00:57:09,533
Speaker 11: I've been out of it for a little while now,

1172
00:57:09,573 --> 00:57:10,813
Speaker 11: but I'm I got.

1173
00:57:10,933 --> 00:57:13,973
Speaker 16: I've got a view from a farming and an engineering

1174
00:57:14,373 --> 00:57:18,893
Speaker 16: engineering background in the freezing industry and with chickens and

1175
00:57:19,053 --> 00:57:20,093
Speaker 16: cattle and all sorts of things.

1176
00:57:20,133 --> 00:57:21,653
Speaker 2: But perfect, you are the perfect man.

1177
00:57:22,213 --> 00:57:23,933
Speaker 6: Get well, I'm not.

1178
00:57:24,013 --> 00:57:25,893
Speaker 16: I'm not better. I've got an opinion that a lot

1179
00:57:25,933 --> 00:57:28,853
Speaker 16: of people won't agree with. But like I was a farmer,

1180
00:57:28,853 --> 00:57:32,733
Speaker 16: and I you know, and I like my cattle, and

1181
00:57:33,413 --> 00:57:36,373
Speaker 16: I've got no time for any of these exports because

1182
00:57:36,573 --> 00:57:41,453
Speaker 16: I don't care about the money, the animals and whether

1183
00:57:41,493 --> 00:57:44,973
Speaker 16: they get a bloody a gold star trip to China

1184
00:57:45,293 --> 00:57:47,053
Speaker 16: or the Middle East or any of these other countries

1185
00:57:47,093 --> 00:57:51,813
Speaker 16: that take them. I've been to China as well. In China,

1186
00:57:51,973 --> 00:57:55,773
Speaker 16: they have very little feeling for animals. They are some

1187
00:57:55,893 --> 00:57:58,653
Speaker 16: of these people are a little more than savages of

1188
00:57:58,653 --> 00:57:59,613
Speaker 16: the way they treat animals.

1189
00:57:59,853 --> 00:58:01,653
Speaker 21: And I wouldn't.

1190
00:58:02,893 --> 00:58:04,733
Speaker 16: I just I don't care. Like I said, I don't

1191
00:58:04,733 --> 00:58:06,773
Speaker 16: care about the money, and I just think it's I

1192
00:58:06,853 --> 00:58:11,093
Speaker 16: think it's poor for and giving giving giving other countries

1193
00:58:11,133 --> 00:58:15,813
Speaker 16: our materials. It's bad enough. And the and the Middle

1194
00:58:15,813 --> 00:58:19,373
Speaker 16: East is not much better. These I've worked in the

1195
00:58:19,373 --> 00:58:27,653
Speaker 16: freezing industry and ever since Halal Slaughter came in, I

1196
00:58:27,733 --> 00:58:31,653
Speaker 16: think that's barbaric too. And of anyone who a lot

1197
00:58:31,693 --> 00:58:34,293
Speaker 16: of people who saw what would who would see what

1198
00:58:34,493 --> 00:58:37,573
Speaker 16: goes on in that industry, would be rather shocked in

1199
00:58:37,693 --> 00:58:42,573
Speaker 16: the name of religious activity. And yeah, I think it's

1200
00:58:42,653 --> 00:58:43,973
Speaker 16: just a lot of that stuffs barbaric.

1201
00:58:44,493 --> 00:58:46,973
Speaker 3: I mean good, yeah, got on you, Kevin as an

1202
00:58:47,013 --> 00:58:50,293
Speaker 3: ex cocky as you say, uh, And I think most

1203
00:58:50,413 --> 00:58:54,053
Speaker 3: kiwis well. Animal welfare is incredibly important for them. But

1204
00:58:54,133 --> 00:58:57,373
Speaker 3: back to what they do in China, because I'm not familiar.

1205
00:58:57,493 --> 00:58:59,253
Speaker 3: I haven't been to China, and I wouldn't know on

1206
00:58:59,373 --> 00:59:01,733
Speaker 3: that side of things. What what is the rest now?

1207
00:59:01,773 --> 00:59:05,493
Speaker 3: If they are paying eight thousand bucks per cattle? You know,

1208
00:59:05,493 --> 00:59:08,773
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that you're wrong that they treat their animals.

1209
00:59:08,853 --> 00:59:11,493
Speaker 3: They don't treat their animals poorly. I'm sure they probably do,

1210
00:59:11,933 --> 00:59:13,813
Speaker 3: But I just I'm just trying to understand the rest

1211
00:59:13,853 --> 00:59:16,413
Speaker 3: now about why they pay big money for cattle and

1212
00:59:16,573 --> 00:59:19,493
Speaker 3: then ram them into conditions that most of us would

1213
00:59:19,533 --> 00:59:20,293
Speaker 3: see as barbaric.

1214
00:59:21,573 --> 00:59:23,333
Speaker 11: I don't know, it's just it's just their way.

1215
00:59:23,933 --> 00:59:24,253
Speaker 16: It's like.

1216
00:59:26,093 --> 00:59:27,173
Speaker 11: It's just it's just there.

1217
00:59:29,213 --> 00:59:32,413
Speaker 16: If you've ever seen those Chinese wit markets of that

1218
00:59:32,493 --> 00:59:35,133
Speaker 16: sort of stuff, it's just it's ingrained. And then that

1219
00:59:35,453 --> 00:59:38,693
Speaker 16: they they eat anything with wings excepted them and accept

1220
00:59:38,733 --> 00:59:41,013
Speaker 16: them airplane, and they'll anything with legs exhit the table

1221
00:59:41,493 --> 00:59:43,853
Speaker 16: and they don't and they don't care how they deal

1222
00:59:43,893 --> 00:59:46,373
Speaker 16: with them. And you know, maybe they pay a lot

1223
00:59:46,413 --> 00:59:48,533
Speaker 16: of money for them, but it's in their nature that

1224
00:59:49,053 --> 00:59:51,373
Speaker 16: they're pretty they're a pretty heartless mob.

1225
00:59:52,013 --> 00:59:54,053
Speaker 2: Kevin, thank you very much for giving me a buzz.

1226
00:59:54,093 --> 00:59:56,933
Speaker 3: Great to get your thoughts as Kevin right, I do

1227
00:59:57,133 --> 00:59:59,773
Speaker 3: think we we pride ourselves on on how we treat

1228
01:00:00,013 --> 01:00:03,693
Speaker 3: animals in this country. In an effect arguably it's it's

1229
01:00:03,773 --> 01:00:06,853
Speaker 3: why we get top dollar for our meat and producing

1230
01:00:06,933 --> 01:00:10,893
Speaker 3: animals overseas. I mean, even when the live export animal

1231
01:00:10,973 --> 01:00:15,253
Speaker 3: export was okay prior to twenty twenty three, clearly the

1232
01:00:15,453 --> 01:00:17,493
Speaker 3: likes of China and the Middle East and other countries

1233
01:00:17,533 --> 01:00:19,733
Speaker 3: were paying top dollar for it. But that whole animal

1234
01:00:19,813 --> 01:00:23,373
Speaker 3: welfare and how we treat our animals and the end

1235
01:00:23,453 --> 01:00:25,853
Speaker 3: product was a big part of that. So is this

1236
01:00:26,013 --> 01:00:30,653
Speaker 3: about protecting the New Zealand brand. That welfare is important

1237
01:00:30,693 --> 01:00:33,893
Speaker 3: on the ethical standard, but it's also important for the

1238
01:00:34,053 --> 01:00:37,293
Speaker 3: value that we get from our animals and our product.

1239
01:00:37,453 --> 01:00:39,053
Speaker 2: Really keen to have a chat with you. Eight eight

1240
01:00:39,173 --> 01:00:42,413
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Afternoon? Pete?

1241
01:00:42,453 --> 01:00:43,053
Speaker 2: How are you today?

1242
01:00:46,653 --> 01:00:51,253
Speaker 20: Listen to any I think say, he's obviously got he's

1243
01:00:51,293 --> 01:00:52,813
Speaker 20: looking after the animal welfare.

1244
01:00:53,013 --> 01:00:56,613
Speaker 21: And I think also that yes, I think he's a

1245
01:00:56,693 --> 01:01:00,413
Speaker 21: strudent enough and he's probably been around maybe enough to

1246
01:01:00,533 --> 01:01:03,093
Speaker 21: surely obviously those people have been and know what they

1247
01:01:03,173 --> 01:01:06,293
Speaker 21: do about animals once they got over there. So I think,

1248
01:01:06,453 --> 01:01:09,013
Speaker 21: Plus the nationals are going to post at me when

1249
01:01:09,053 --> 01:01:12,333
Speaker 21: it comes to what eight months the same the election

1250
01:01:12,693 --> 01:01:13,813
Speaker 21: to be a political suicide.

1251
01:01:14,333 --> 01:01:14,613
Speaker 2: Pete.

1252
01:01:14,613 --> 01:01:15,893
Speaker 3: I want to hear what you got to say, but

1253
01:01:15,973 --> 01:01:18,333
Speaker 3: your phone line is just crack cling up and and

1254
01:01:18,733 --> 01:01:20,933
Speaker 3: I'm worried it's going to drop off at any minute.

1255
01:01:21,133 --> 01:01:23,133
Speaker 3: If you're on a speakerphone, could you just come off

1256
01:01:23,253 --> 01:01:26,733
Speaker 3: that and hopefully that's going to be a bit clearer.

1257
01:01:27,493 --> 01:01:28,013
Speaker 22: Is that better?

1258
01:01:28,293 --> 01:01:28,453
Speaker 15: Yeah?

1259
01:01:28,573 --> 01:01:29,773
Speaker 2: Much better? Go for a Pete.

1260
01:01:30,533 --> 01:01:31,653
Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, did you hear what?

1261
01:01:32,733 --> 01:01:32,893
Speaker 19: Yeah?

1262
01:01:33,013 --> 01:01:33,733
Speaker 2: You were backing up.

1263
01:01:33,733 --> 01:01:36,213
Speaker 3: Kevin and his response as as a former farmer for

1264
01:01:36,333 --> 01:01:40,093
Speaker 3: mer Cocky as he said that he is dead behind

1265
01:01:40,213 --> 01:01:44,813
Speaker 3: animal welfare, and he mentions, you know, the perception of

1266
01:01:45,253 --> 01:01:49,173
Speaker 3: how Chinese operators, you know, look after their particular animals,

1267
01:01:49,813 --> 01:01:51,653
Speaker 3: and I'm going to take his word for it. Look,

1268
01:01:51,693 --> 01:01:53,853
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know if that's you know, a

1269
01:01:53,973 --> 01:01:56,733
Speaker 3: generalization over in China. I assume maybe part of it is.

1270
01:01:57,133 --> 01:01:59,413
Speaker 3: And again, Pete, I still can't understand the rationale. Why

1271
01:01:59,413 --> 01:02:02,853
Speaker 3: would they pay eight thousand dollars per head for cattle

1272
01:02:03,293 --> 01:02:06,973
Speaker 3: when they're just going to ram them into conditions that

1273
01:02:07,093 --> 01:02:08,133
Speaker 3: we would consider.

1274
01:02:07,893 --> 01:02:10,413
Speaker 2: Barbar and then you lose the value of their product,

1275
01:02:10,493 --> 01:02:10,733
Speaker 2: don't you.

1276
01:02:12,053 --> 01:02:14,093
Speaker 20: Yeah, I reckon, I think yeah. I think at the

1277
01:02:14,213 --> 01:02:15,653
Speaker 20: end of the day, the government's not going to push

1278
01:02:15,653 --> 01:02:18,213
Speaker 20: it anything rather, not before election, are they. They might

1279
01:02:18,293 --> 01:02:21,213
Speaker 20: have tried it, I think they were. They was talked about,

1280
01:02:21,253 --> 01:02:24,973
Speaker 20: they wanted to, they did want to reinstated, and they

1281
01:02:25,053 --> 01:02:27,013
Speaker 20: I thought they were trying to get it back in wordy.

1282
01:02:27,333 --> 01:02:28,573
Speaker 20: But they're not going to do it right now, not

1283
01:02:28,933 --> 01:02:31,493
Speaker 20: before an election. They're already down the polls now, as

1284
01:02:31,533 --> 01:02:33,933
Speaker 20: you all know. I think there'd be political suicidal that

1285
01:02:34,213 --> 01:02:35,453
Speaker 20: even push the issue right now.

1286
01:02:35,533 --> 01:02:38,133
Speaker 3: Well, that's what I suspect be Yeah, I mean, whether

1287
01:02:38,253 --> 01:02:40,853
Speaker 3: or not we can reach that gold standards. As I

1288
01:02:40,933 --> 01:02:46,133
Speaker 3: mentioned previously, I've spoken to industry insiders and people who

1289
01:02:46,213 --> 01:02:47,693
Speaker 3: work in the will used to work in the live

1290
01:02:47,733 --> 01:02:49,853
Speaker 3: animal we export trade, and they said they already had it.

1291
01:02:49,893 --> 01:02:52,053
Speaker 3: There were vets on board, and it was already the

1292
01:02:52,133 --> 01:02:54,893
Speaker 3: best of the best when it comes to that industry

1293
01:02:54,933 --> 01:02:57,333
Speaker 3: around the world. But I suspect you're probably right that

1294
01:02:57,453 --> 01:02:59,573
Speaker 3: trying to get that across the line ahead of the

1295
01:02:59,693 --> 01:03:02,373
Speaker 3: election could be a hard sell for a lot of

1296
01:03:02,413 --> 01:03:03,013
Speaker 3: New Zealanders.

1297
01:03:04,093 --> 01:03:07,613
Speaker 20: Yeah, and I think also we all need money. Mainad's

1298
01:03:07,613 --> 01:03:10,533
Speaker 20: country shorter me. You know, I'm not totally against it.

1299
01:03:10,693 --> 01:03:13,493
Speaker 20: But as long as the ships are up to stand

1300
01:03:13,573 --> 01:03:16,133
Speaker 20: and they got all everything in place, both thatch thing

1301
01:03:16,173 --> 01:03:20,413
Speaker 20: as a one hundred percent guarantee is there, there's nothing nothing.

1302
01:03:20,973 --> 01:03:23,773
Speaker 20: I think in some ways they they can improve it.

1303
01:03:23,853 --> 01:03:24,253
Speaker 20: It's safe.

1304
01:03:24,293 --> 01:03:26,253
Speaker 21: They've got better ships than what they had that those

1305
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Speaker 21: other square box fingers like a.

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Speaker 11: Thinking they were waiting to happen.

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Speaker 14: Bit worse.

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Speaker 20: They can improve the ships and they better control.

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Speaker 21: I'm not totally against it, but the end the day,

1310
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Speaker 21: we need we need We need money in this country,

1311
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Speaker 21: don't we The farmers what money as well?

1312
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, spot on Pete, Thank you very much for

1313
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Speaker 2: giving me a buzz.

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Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call,

1315
01:03:46,373 --> 01:03:50,373
Speaker 3: really keen to get your thoughts on the remaining band

1316
01:03:50,413 --> 01:03:54,933
Speaker 3: for live animal exports. There was discussions during the coalition

1317
01:03:55,053 --> 01:03:59,533
Speaker 3: agreement to reverse that band, but as is the news today,

1318
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Speaker 3: the government have decided not to push it through through

1319
01:04:02,333 --> 01:04:04,773
Speaker 3: with that this parliamentary term. Is that a good decision

1320
01:04:05,213 --> 01:04:07,613
Speaker 3: or is that a bad decision? Nine two niney two

1321
01:04:07,733 --> 01:04:08,213
Speaker 3: is the text.

1322
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Speaker 1: It's twenty to three your home of afternoon talk Matt

1323
01:04:12,453 --> 01:04:16,573
Speaker 1: Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons with Skoda. Can you crank

1324
01:04:16,613 --> 01:04:18,213
Speaker 1: the scoder code news talks?

1325
01:04:18,213 --> 01:04:21,013
Speaker 3: They'd be very good afternoons you. So we're talking about

1326
01:04:21,013 --> 01:04:24,573
Speaker 3: the live animal exports. The band will remain in place

1327
01:04:24,693 --> 01:04:28,893
Speaker 3: this parliamentary term. So should we ever lift that band

1328
01:04:28,973 --> 01:04:31,573
Speaker 3: on live animal exports by sea? Or are the welfare

1329
01:04:31,693 --> 01:04:32,373
Speaker 3: risks too great?

1330
01:04:32,413 --> 01:04:32,533
Speaker 19: Oh?

1331
01:04:32,573 --> 01:04:35,013
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1332
01:04:35,293 --> 01:04:38,733
Speaker 3: Hey you Lindy, Hi, how are you growing very well?

1333
01:04:38,853 --> 01:04:40,413
Speaker 3: Nice to chat with you, So what's your thoughts?

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Speaker 23: Absolutely keep the band in place for five reasons. Really,

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01:04:45,853 --> 01:04:50,013
Speaker 23: this goes against ntural your natural animal behaviors that animals

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01:04:50,133 --> 01:04:53,093
Speaker 23: exhibit in a paddock, free to rome, access to their

1337
01:04:53,133 --> 01:04:57,213
Speaker 23: food and drink is from an extended period of time. Also,

1338
01:04:57,333 --> 01:05:01,013
Speaker 23: where these animals go are really not the conditions that

1339
01:05:01,373 --> 01:05:03,853
Speaker 23: New Zealand farmers would put them into, So they're not

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01:05:04,013 --> 01:05:07,813
Speaker 23: going to a great place. I think we risk our

1341
01:05:07,853 --> 01:05:10,293
Speaker 23: social life license to farm. I think this is in

1342
01:05:10,413 --> 01:05:12,653
Speaker 23: jeopardy if we get into this in a really big

1343
01:05:12,733 --> 01:05:18,573
Speaker 23: way and the financial benefit for a FEU is really outweighed,

1344
01:05:19,053 --> 01:05:23,213
Speaker 23: you know, against our whole of our exports industry. And

1345
01:05:23,573 --> 01:05:28,013
Speaker 23: quite frankly, financial benefit should never be a factor when

1346
01:05:28,013 --> 01:05:31,493
Speaker 23: you're looking at animal cruelty. And this is cool to animals,

1347
01:05:31,613 --> 01:05:35,573
Speaker 23: and I think there's nobody that would say otherwise, let's

1348
01:05:35,653 --> 01:05:39,013
Speaker 23: not lose hindsight. That strange did the animals lose their

1349
01:05:39,093 --> 01:05:41,933
Speaker 23: lives on that shipment but for the humans?

1350
01:05:43,453 --> 01:05:46,213
Speaker 3: So do you think there was There's no such thing

1351
01:05:46,253 --> 01:05:48,773
Speaker 3: as a gold standard that you know this This this

1352
01:05:48,973 --> 01:05:51,933
Speaker 3: article came from disagreement with the around the cabinet table,

1353
01:05:51,973 --> 01:05:54,853
Speaker 3: around the so called gold standard. But you're saying it

1354
01:05:54,893 --> 01:05:57,733
Speaker 3: can never be reached because it is inherently against that

1355
01:05:57,853 --> 01:06:00,573
Speaker 3: animal's behavior and inherently cruel to have them on the

1356
01:06:00,613 --> 01:06:01,573
Speaker 3: boat no matter what you do.

1357
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Speaker 23: You know, unless you can design a perfect system where

1358
01:06:07,653 --> 01:06:10,773
Speaker 23: and it's red period of time. They're not on these

1359
01:06:10,853 --> 01:06:14,693
Speaker 23: ships for six hours, They're on these ships for days

1360
01:06:14,733 --> 01:06:15,173
Speaker 23: and weeks.

1361
01:06:15,693 --> 01:06:16,293
Speaker 17: It's not right.

1362
01:06:16,493 --> 01:06:17,893
Speaker 8: I don't think it sits.

1363
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Speaker 23: With our image of producing quality food and fiber for

1364
01:06:24,813 --> 01:06:26,933
Speaker 23: the world to have this practice.

1365
01:06:27,453 --> 01:06:32,613
Speaker 3: Is that important to our industry that we take animal

1366
01:06:32,693 --> 01:06:37,293
Speaker 3: welfare incredibly seriously and we've got pretty strict regulations compared

1367
01:06:37,293 --> 01:06:40,733
Speaker 3: to the rest of the world, and arguably that increases

1368
01:06:40,813 --> 01:06:43,653
Speaker 3: the value you know, of our products when we do

1369
01:06:43,813 --> 01:06:46,373
Speaker 3: ship them overseas. Is is that a truism? Is that

1370
01:06:46,533 --> 01:06:48,173
Speaker 3: how the world looks at us when it comes to

1371
01:06:48,253 --> 01:06:48,973
Speaker 3: our agriculture.

1372
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Speaker 23: I think it's a truism for consumers and for most farmers.

1373
01:06:56,693 --> 01:06:59,933
Speaker 23: They want their animals to only have, you know, one

1374
01:07:00,093 --> 01:07:04,333
Speaker 23: bad day, and that's the day that they are processed

1375
01:07:04,493 --> 01:07:08,533
Speaker 23: into meat. So this isn't an alignment with really we

1376
01:07:08,653 --> 01:07:15,293
Speaker 23: practice animal You know, caring for our animals is paramount

1377
01:07:16,173 --> 01:07:19,813
Speaker 23: to just about every farmer in New Zealand, and it's

1378
01:07:19,933 --> 01:07:21,853
Speaker 23: paramount to the New Zealand public as well.

1379
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Speaker 3: Lindy, I think I know who you are, but I

1380
01:07:25,453 --> 01:07:28,293
Speaker 3: think it's it's important for the listeners to know who

1381
01:07:28,333 --> 01:07:31,773
Speaker 3: you are. It's okay to to out you, so to speak.

1382
01:07:31,893 --> 01:07:35,013
Speaker 3: I'm speaking of Lindy Nelson, right, Yes you are, yeah, yeah,

1383
01:07:35,213 --> 01:07:37,533
Speaker 3: So you've been involved in agriculture for a long time.

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01:07:37,613 --> 01:07:40,493
Speaker 3: You've the founder of the Agri Women's Development Trust, You're

1385
01:07:40,493 --> 01:07:43,333
Speaker 3: part of Safe for Farms, So you've been dealing with

1386
01:07:43,413 --> 01:07:45,213
Speaker 3: this industry for a long time. Is that what you

1387
01:07:45,413 --> 01:07:47,853
Speaker 3: hear from your fellow farmers as well, that that is

1388
01:07:48,413 --> 01:07:50,533
Speaker 3: a critical aspect of what we do well here in

1389
01:07:50,613 --> 01:07:53,933
Speaker 3: New Zealand as farmers, as an agricultural industry, and the

1390
01:07:54,053 --> 01:07:56,053
Speaker 3: idea of life animal experts goes against that.

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01:07:57,773 --> 01:08:01,213
Speaker 23: I believe that is true for the people that I'm

1392
01:08:01,293 --> 01:08:07,133
Speaker 23: mixed with. They are animal welfare is paramount to how

1393
01:08:07,213 --> 01:08:10,213
Speaker 23: we farm and it's amount to our social license.

1394
01:08:12,653 --> 01:08:14,893
Speaker 3: Lindy, thank you very much for giving me a buzz.

1395
01:08:14,973 --> 01:08:17,053
Speaker 3: Really great to get your thoughts and hope you have

1396
01:08:17,093 --> 01:08:17,772
Speaker 3: a great afternoon.

1397
01:08:18,532 --> 01:08:19,293
Speaker 23: Thanks very much.

1398
01:08:19,893 --> 01:08:22,772
Speaker 3: So do you agree with Lindy Lindy Nelson? Of course,

1399
01:08:22,853 --> 01:08:25,412
Speaker 3: She's had a lot to do with the agriculture industry.

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01:08:25,492 --> 01:08:27,772
Speaker 3: She founded the Agri Woman's Development Trust, she's part of

1401
01:08:27,853 --> 01:08:30,532
Speaker 3: safer farms. So do you agree if you're a farmer.

1402
01:08:31,253 --> 01:08:34,852
Speaker 3: Is the animal welfare consideration a key part of what

1403
01:08:35,013 --> 01:08:37,053
Speaker 3: we do well when it comes to farming in New

1404
01:08:37,133 --> 01:08:41,093
Speaker 3: Zealand and the idea of live animal exports is counterinturitive

1405
01:08:41,213 --> 01:08:43,452
Speaker 3: to that image that we want to project to our

1406
01:08:43,933 --> 01:08:45,372
Speaker 3: trading partners and to the world.

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01:08:45,853 --> 01:08:49,053
Speaker 2: Nine two ninety two is the text number die. How

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01:08:49,093 --> 01:08:49,932
Speaker 2: are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 24: Oh good, Tyler? Good looks so good to hear from

1410
01:08:54,333 --> 01:08:58,132
Speaker 24: Lindy and her view. And I totally agree with Lindy

1411
01:08:58,333 --> 01:09:02,012
Speaker 24: and Kevin who was on before. To me, it's live

1412
01:09:02,093 --> 01:09:05,973
Speaker 24: export is just totally unethical on every level. And we

1413
01:09:06,093 --> 01:09:11,692
Speaker 24: don't want greedy farmers, want farmers who actually care about

1414
01:09:11,933 --> 01:09:16,772
Speaker 24: the welfare of the animals that they're raising. And you know,

1415
01:09:17,013 --> 01:09:22,253
Speaker 24: it's like Kevin said, it shouldn't be just about the dollar. Okay,

1416
01:09:22,412 --> 01:09:24,732
Speaker 24: there's costs and raising the animal, and you know, they

1417
01:09:24,772 --> 01:09:28,572
Speaker 24: want to make their best price, but consumers are getting

1418
01:09:28,812 --> 01:09:35,612
Speaker 24: really really selective. It's like with the health factor, with

1419
01:09:35,893 --> 01:09:41,092
Speaker 24: organics everything. Consumers want to know that the best possible

1420
01:09:41,213 --> 01:09:46,652
Speaker 24: care has gone in to what they are consuming. So

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01:09:46,893 --> 01:09:51,213
Speaker 24: I think it's really important and you know, even it's

1422
01:09:51,412 --> 01:09:56,213
Speaker 24: like seeing the halters on the cows. And I know

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01:09:56,372 --> 01:09:59,612
Speaker 24: it's an innovative and I know we're very clever. I

1424
01:09:59,692 --> 01:10:02,572
Speaker 24: know it's really good. But there's something I felt actually

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01:10:02,612 --> 01:10:05,812
Speaker 24: a bit sad when I saw that. I thought to

1426
01:10:05,933 --> 01:10:10,452
Speaker 24: look into a paddock and and to me, it just

1427
01:10:10,612 --> 01:10:14,692
Speaker 24: reminded me of a prisoner being monitored, like an ankle

1428
01:10:14,812 --> 01:10:20,133
Speaker 24: bracelet or something. And how are the cows controlled?

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01:10:21,053 --> 01:10:21,213
Speaker 10: You know?

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Speaker 24: I mean, I want to be open minded. I don't

1431
01:10:23,772 --> 01:10:26,012
Speaker 24: know enough about it. I want to wait and see,

1432
01:10:26,452 --> 01:10:30,973
Speaker 24: but definitely no to live export. It's totally unethical for

1433
01:10:31,333 --> 01:10:31,812
Speaker 24: my thinking.

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01:10:32,372 --> 01:10:35,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I look, I'm leaning towards your viewpoint.

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01:10:35,772 --> 01:10:39,052
Speaker 3: Die Like like many New Zealanders, I care deeply about

1436
01:10:39,053 --> 01:10:40,972
Speaker 3: animal welf and it would break my heart to see

1437
01:10:41,013 --> 01:10:43,452
Speaker 3: some of the conditions I assume these animals face when

1438
01:10:43,492 --> 01:10:44,333
Speaker 3: they're on that boat.

1439
01:10:44,933 --> 01:10:46,652
Speaker 2: But the reason I'm a little.

1440
01:10:46,492 --> 01:10:48,812
Speaker 3: Bit torn is that you hear from people within the

1441
01:10:48,893 --> 01:10:51,652
Speaker 3: industry that they reckon it is top notch when it

1442
01:10:51,652 --> 01:10:53,612
Speaker 3: comes to animal welfare, and they've got vets on board.

1443
01:10:53,933 --> 01:10:56,253
Speaker 3: But as you say, if there's even even a handful

1444
01:10:56,293 --> 01:10:58,972
Speaker 3: of those cattle who become ill or are put into

1445
01:10:59,133 --> 01:11:02,572
Speaker 3: conditions which are inherently cruel. Then that is, you know,

1446
01:11:02,612 --> 01:11:04,692
Speaker 3: a handful of cattle too many. It's got to be

1447
01:11:05,452 --> 01:11:09,293
Speaker 3: all of the animals that are not suffering in my view,

1448
01:11:09,452 --> 01:11:12,333
Speaker 3: to make it worthwhile, because you know, just to say

1449
01:11:12,692 --> 01:11:14,812
Speaker 3: we only lost a couple of cattle out of a thousand,

1450
01:11:15,173 --> 01:11:16,972
Speaker 3: that's still a couple of cattle that have been putting

1451
01:11:17,013 --> 01:11:19,092
Speaker 3: it being put into barbaric conditions.

1452
01:11:20,372 --> 01:11:23,812
Speaker 24: Also, Tyler, you know when that lady who rang and

1453
01:11:24,253 --> 01:11:27,532
Speaker 24: was talking about her husband and what her husband, you know,

1454
01:11:27,652 --> 01:11:31,053
Speaker 24: her experience with a husband, you know, explaining about the

1455
01:11:31,333 --> 01:11:37,452
Speaker 24: animals you know, stomach and that's right. I mean, how

1456
01:11:37,572 --> 01:11:40,293
Speaker 24: many of us have been on the picton ferry and

1457
01:11:40,372 --> 01:11:43,772
Speaker 24: there's motion. Anyone who's done a bit of sailing, there

1458
01:11:43,853 --> 01:11:46,772
Speaker 24: is motion. And it's not like she said, it's not

1459
01:11:47,013 --> 01:11:49,492
Speaker 24: just for a few hours. This is for a few

1460
01:11:49,572 --> 01:11:51,293
Speaker 24: days in cramped conditions.

1461
01:11:51,612 --> 01:11:52,572
Speaker 8: It would be just.

1462
01:11:52,772 --> 01:11:56,333
Speaker 3: Horrificah, I've seen I've seen it on the whale watched

1463
01:11:56,333 --> 01:11:59,253
Speaker 3: boats in quite quarter where it's pretty swelly and when

1464
01:11:59,293 --> 01:12:01,412
Speaker 3: one person goes, they all go and it's not pretty.

1465
01:12:01,492 --> 01:12:03,452
Speaker 3: It's not pretty at all. Thank you very much for

1466
01:12:03,532 --> 01:12:06,013
Speaker 3: your call. It is ten minutes to three oh e

1467
01:12:06,013 --> 01:12:08,532
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number? Really

1468
01:12:08,612 --> 01:12:10,133
Speaker 3: keen to get your thoughts on this back of.

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Speaker 3: Four Right back to our discussion about live animal exports,

1491
01:13:15,532 --> 01:13:18,412
Speaker 3: one hundred eighty is that number to call?

1492
01:13:18,853 --> 01:13:20,852
Speaker 2: Neil, we've got a couple of minutes before the news.

1493
01:13:20,933 --> 01:13:21,692
Speaker 2: Can you hear your view?

1494
01:13:22,853 --> 01:13:27,372
Speaker 14: Yes, and quickly. I'm a retired farmer, i still breed

1495
01:13:27,452 --> 01:13:32,572
Speaker 14: some angus and we're in the beef market. I've been

1496
01:13:32,692 --> 01:13:36,092
Speaker 14: to China, I've been to Asia. I've spoken to the buyers.

1497
01:13:36,652 --> 01:13:39,492
Speaker 14: I've spoken to guys at a high level who own

1498
01:13:39,652 --> 01:13:44,372
Speaker 14: dairy farms in Mongolia and they don't care if it's

1499
01:13:44,732 --> 01:13:48,852
Speaker 14: cattle or chickens or pork or whatever. They are buying protein.

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01:13:49,492 --> 01:13:49,652
Speaker 9: Now.

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01:13:50,612 --> 01:13:55,853
Speaker 14: They have huge farms in Mongolia and New Zealand bloodlines.

1502
01:13:56,412 --> 01:13:59,652
Speaker 14: They import New Zealand bloodlines, which is why they want

1503
01:13:59,732 --> 01:14:06,172
Speaker 14: the fresh and female beef, the heifers. They can modify

1504
01:14:06,333 --> 01:14:09,933
Speaker 14: them with GM so that they can be found in

1505
01:14:10,093 --> 01:14:14,532
Speaker 14: Asian conditions. Now, the problem with China for dairy is

1506
01:14:14,612 --> 01:14:19,612
Speaker 14: a lack of clean of clean water, and the problem

1507
01:14:19,853 --> 01:14:24,372
Speaker 14: in Asia in general as they can't grow the grass

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01:14:24,452 --> 01:14:28,133
Speaker 14: types that we need to produce large volumes of milk.

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01:14:28,492 --> 01:14:36,213
Speaker 14: Hence the GM modification of New Zealand genetics. That's why

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01:14:36,293 --> 01:14:39,532
Speaker 14: they're paying eight thousand and our farmers are getting two thousand.

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01:14:39,772 --> 01:14:41,772
Speaker 2: It's very interesting, is that to consume you.

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01:14:43,133 --> 01:14:46,133
Speaker 14: Of course it is these farmers who make a few

1513
01:14:46,253 --> 01:14:50,053
Speaker 14: hundred bucks extra, they should think about that and think

1514
01:14:50,173 --> 01:14:52,572
Speaker 14: who is making the money and why are they willing

1515
01:14:52,652 --> 01:14:56,333
Speaker 14: to pay so much more now. I think national have

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01:14:56,452 --> 01:15:00,773
Speaker 14: been gutless on this. They're saying it's animal are welfare.

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01:15:01,213 --> 01:15:03,852
Speaker 14: The best part of the whole operation is the welfare

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01:15:03,853 --> 01:15:08,093
Speaker 14: of the animals. I think it's a smoke screen for

1519
01:15:08,173 --> 01:15:11,532
Speaker 14: the fact that farmers as a whole don't want to

1520
01:15:11,572 --> 01:15:15,852
Speaker 14: see the dairy industry collapse. These guys in China and

1521
01:15:16,013 --> 01:15:20,172
Speaker 14: throughout Asia are very open that the way they're breeding

1522
01:15:20,293 --> 01:15:24,293
Speaker 14: up over there, they won't need New Zealand exports in future.

1523
01:15:25,812 --> 01:15:29,933
Speaker 14: What they're doing is chopping the throat of the dairy industry.

1524
01:15:31,253 --> 01:15:34,052
Speaker 14: I've got friends who have been on the boats, who've

1525
01:15:34,093 --> 01:15:37,972
Speaker 14: worked on the boats going over to China. They are

1526
01:15:38,412 --> 01:15:45,013
Speaker 14: quite happy with the conditions. But I think that's a

1527
01:15:45,093 --> 01:15:45,732
Speaker 14: smoke screen.

1528
01:15:45,853 --> 01:15:48,213
Speaker 2: I think good on you, Neil, Thank you very much.

1529
01:15:48,333 --> 01:15:50,452
Speaker 2: Interesting points. So do you agree with Neil?

1530
01:15:50,532 --> 01:15:52,532
Speaker 3: Is it a bit of a smoke screen? Is it

1531
01:15:52,652 --> 01:15:55,812
Speaker 3: more to do with the protecting genetics of our breeding stock?

1532
01:15:55,853 --> 01:15:57,612
Speaker 3: Here in New Zealand news is next.

1533
01:15:58,452 --> 01:16:03,092
Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

1534
01:16:03,133 --> 01:16:06,533
Speaker 1: in between and kids Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons

1535
01:16:06,732 --> 01:16:11,092
Speaker 1: with got a News Stork Bri Good afternon't you welcome

1536
01:16:11,173 --> 01:16:12,412
Speaker 1: back into the program?

1537
01:16:12,492 --> 01:16:15,053
Speaker 3: It is six pars three in about half an hour.

1538
01:16:15,133 --> 01:16:17,452
Speaker 3: Really want to have a chat about buying places with

1539
01:16:17,612 --> 01:16:21,213
Speaker 3: history in character. This is after a church in tor

1540
01:16:21,333 --> 01:16:23,812
Speaker 3: Bay on Auckland's north shore is up for sales, Saint

1541
01:16:23,933 --> 01:16:27,572
Speaker 3: Mary by the Sea. It's currently valued at four point

1542
01:16:27,692 --> 01:16:30,652
Speaker 3: seven million bucks. It is a big church and it

1543
01:16:30,772 --> 01:16:33,333
Speaker 3: is a big slice of land as well. But after

1544
01:16:33,372 --> 01:16:35,053
Speaker 3: three point thirty, really keen to have a chat with

1545
01:16:35,133 --> 01:16:39,253
Speaker 3: you about buying something iconic, whether it is a church,

1546
01:16:39,333 --> 01:16:43,452
Speaker 3: a warehouse and old post office substation bank. Have you

1547
01:16:43,572 --> 01:16:45,213
Speaker 3: been one of those people that have taken a punt

1548
01:16:45,293 --> 01:16:49,333
Speaker 3: on one of those iconic historic buildings and trying to

1549
01:16:49,372 --> 01:16:49,772
Speaker 3: do it up.

1550
01:16:49,853 --> 01:16:51,253
Speaker 2: Love to hear your stories.

1551
01:16:51,412 --> 01:16:53,333
Speaker 3: That's after three thirty oh one hundred and eighty ten

1552
01:16:53,372 --> 01:16:55,532
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call and nine two nine

1553
01:16:55,652 --> 01:16:58,612
Speaker 3: two is the text number. But right now let's get

1554
01:16:58,652 --> 01:17:02,213
Speaker 3: back into our discussion on live animal exports. So as

1555
01:17:02,333 --> 01:17:05,213
Speaker 3: mentioned last hour, the government has abandoned its plans to

1556
01:17:05,412 --> 01:17:09,133
Speaker 3: lift that band on live animal exports by see they

1557
01:17:09,253 --> 01:17:12,293
Speaker 3: did float it during the coalition negotiations before they were

1558
01:17:12,333 --> 01:17:15,692
Speaker 3: elected that they were looking to overturn that band that

1559
01:17:15,812 --> 01:17:18,372
Speaker 3: was put in place in twenty twenty three, but Kebnet

1560
01:17:18,412 --> 01:17:20,812
Speaker 3: could not find a way to satisfy its own coalition

1561
01:17:20,973 --> 01:17:25,372
Speaker 3: agreements around what they called the gold standard welfare conditions.

1562
01:17:25,492 --> 01:17:27,133
Speaker 3: So keen on your thoughts on that one. On one

1563
01:17:27,253 --> 01:17:30,652
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty Bob, how are you this afternoon?

1564
01:17:31,572 --> 01:17:33,492
Speaker 25: Good afternoon, Tyler, I'm fine than.

1565
01:17:33,812 --> 01:17:36,452
Speaker 2: Nice to chat with you. So you've traveled with exported

1566
01:17:36,772 --> 01:17:37,652
Speaker 2: cattle to China.

1567
01:17:38,732 --> 01:17:42,412
Speaker 25: Yes, that's right. I've done three trips traveling on a

1568
01:17:42,572 --> 01:17:45,973
Speaker 25: slow boat to China. Cattle class thoroughly enjoyed it, and

1569
01:17:46,093 --> 01:17:50,253
Speaker 25: the animals came on in prime condition and went off

1570
01:17:50,333 --> 01:17:53,213
Speaker 25: in even better condition. So if you want to find

1571
01:17:53,253 --> 01:17:56,333
Speaker 25: some questions at me, Tyler, I'm perfectly happy to answer them.

1572
01:17:56,532 --> 01:17:59,652
Speaker 3: Absolutely I do. So why did they leave the ship

1573
01:17:59,692 --> 01:18:01,812
Speaker 3: in better condition? What was going on on the ship

1574
01:18:01,893 --> 01:18:05,452
Speaker 3: that increased their value by the time they got to China.

1575
01:18:06,492 --> 01:18:10,253
Speaker 25: Well, they get massive feed in the morning of stock nuts,

1576
01:18:10,293 --> 01:18:15,612
Speaker 25: and then in the afternoon they've got plenty of room

1577
01:18:15,692 --> 01:18:18,932
Speaker 25: to exercise. They've got plenty of room in their units

1578
01:18:19,013 --> 01:18:23,612
Speaker 25: to lie down. There are hospital units as well that

1579
01:18:23,853 --> 01:18:26,892
Speaker 25: remain empty until there's a need to put one in there.

1580
01:18:27,572 --> 01:18:31,612
Speaker 25: And generally the only need came from cattle racing up

1581
01:18:31,692 --> 01:18:34,572
Speaker 25: the ramps when they were being loaded onto the ship

1582
01:18:34,973 --> 01:18:37,532
Speaker 25: or coming off the trucks that brought them in, and

1583
01:18:37,612 --> 01:18:40,173
Speaker 25: they might have grazed the skin on the ankle and

1584
01:18:40,293 --> 01:18:43,932
Speaker 25: it might have got infected. So they get examined every

1585
01:18:44,093 --> 01:18:47,093
Speaker 25: morning under torchlight. We were up at up our six

1586
01:18:47,372 --> 01:18:51,213
Speaker 25: with a Filipino crew and it was our responsibility, the

1587
01:18:51,333 --> 01:18:56,412
Speaker 25: three stockmen, to examine every beast every morning.

1588
01:18:57,053 --> 01:18:58,093
Speaker 2: Did all the cattle make it?

1589
01:18:58,253 --> 01:19:03,173
Speaker 25: Bob, No, there was one didn't make it. It had

1590
01:19:03,253 --> 01:19:05,932
Speaker 25: a twisted bell. We opened it up, and it would

1591
01:19:05,933 --> 01:19:08,013
Speaker 25: have had a twisted bell if I've lived on your

1592
01:19:08,093 --> 01:19:11,492
Speaker 25: farm or my farm, or anyone's farm. Yeah, the twisted

1593
01:19:11,572 --> 01:19:14,772
Speaker 25: bell usually equates with the word death. And that's what

1594
01:19:14,893 --> 01:19:15,692
Speaker 25: happened to that one.

1595
01:19:15,893 --> 01:19:18,412
Speaker 2: And that was one out of how many I went.

1596
01:19:18,333 --> 01:19:21,452
Speaker 25: On three trips. There were just slightly over four thousands

1597
01:19:21,492 --> 01:19:24,572
Speaker 25: of trips, so some are in the vicinity of thirteen

1598
01:19:24,692 --> 01:19:28,652
Speaker 25: thousand head of stock and only one death.

1599
01:19:29,652 --> 01:19:33,013
Speaker 3: So what's you talked about? The hospital wing that you

1600
01:19:33,133 --> 01:19:34,772
Speaker 3: could put one of the animals in if it needed

1601
01:19:34,812 --> 01:19:36,612
Speaker 3: some attention. Were their vets on board?

1602
01:19:37,652 --> 01:19:40,372
Speaker 25: No, there weren't vets on board. It was before the time.

1603
01:19:40,532 --> 01:19:44,053
Speaker 25: I'm talking of two thousand and thirteen fourteen, and I

1604
01:19:44,133 --> 01:19:47,132
Speaker 25: think the vets came on board in two thousand and fifteen.

1605
01:19:48,093 --> 01:19:52,133
Speaker 25: But we had training as farmers do. Look, if you've

1606
01:19:52,173 --> 01:19:54,412
Speaker 25: got kids, you don't take them to the doctor all

1607
01:19:54,452 --> 01:19:56,452
Speaker 25: the time. There are things you can fix up and

1608
01:19:56,532 --> 01:19:59,653
Speaker 25: attend to at home and you don't need the specialist.

1609
01:20:00,093 --> 01:20:03,532
Speaker 25: But I'm pleased as specialist vets are on board now

1610
01:20:03,812 --> 01:20:07,092
Speaker 25: just in case. Keep these wope people a bit quieter

1611
01:20:07,293 --> 01:20:10,412
Speaker 25: if there's a vet on. We used to deal with them.

1612
01:20:10,572 --> 01:20:14,293
Speaker 25: It's what we called lazy feeders. And a couple of

1613
01:20:14,372 --> 01:20:16,892
Speaker 25: cattle might be out the back, away from the food.

1614
01:20:17,492 --> 01:20:20,412
Speaker 25: We'd separate them off, put them in a hospital pen

1615
01:20:20,532 --> 01:20:23,492
Speaker 25: and made sure that they got the condition and the

1616
01:20:23,572 --> 01:20:25,412
Speaker 25: food that was required for them.

1617
01:20:26,013 --> 01:20:28,492
Speaker 3: So what was your role as certified stockmen? Were you

1618
01:20:28,652 --> 01:20:31,372
Speaker 3: purely there to monitor the animal's welfare.

1619
01:20:32,492 --> 01:20:34,652
Speaker 25: We were there to help the crew feed them. We

1620
01:20:34,772 --> 01:20:38,852
Speaker 25: were there to monitor their welfare, absolutely, load them, shift

1621
01:20:38,933 --> 01:20:44,572
Speaker 25: them around, all those things. And I can tell you

1622
01:20:44,692 --> 01:20:49,133
Speaker 25: this styler that in the contractual agreement with the purchases

1623
01:20:49,253 --> 01:20:53,732
Speaker 25: in China, if an animal beast couldn't walk off without

1624
01:20:53,772 --> 01:20:57,173
Speaker 25: a limp, it never got off the boat. That was contractual.

1625
01:20:57,893 --> 01:21:02,133
Speaker 25: And under none of those three trips that I experienced

1626
01:21:03,053 --> 01:21:04,093
Speaker 25: did any stock.

1627
01:21:03,933 --> 01:21:04,772
Speaker 6: Stay on board.

1628
01:21:05,093 --> 01:21:06,452
Speaker 25: There were no injured stock.

1629
01:21:06,612 --> 01:21:08,293
Speaker 6: They were very, very healthy.

1630
01:21:09,053 --> 01:21:11,492
Speaker 25: If I had a big problem, that was why the

1631
01:21:11,572 --> 01:21:15,333
Speaker 25: hell are we exporting the intelligence and the genetic breeding

1632
01:21:15,452 --> 01:21:15,772
Speaker 25: of them.

1633
01:21:15,973 --> 01:21:17,532
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's a big part of it, Bob.

1634
01:21:17,572 --> 01:21:19,932
Speaker 3: I mean, you've talked about the welfare aspects, and that's

1635
01:21:19,973 --> 01:21:21,973
Speaker 3: clearly important to a lot of people texting through and

1636
01:21:22,053 --> 01:21:24,372
Speaker 3: listening right now. But that is the other side of

1637
01:21:24,692 --> 01:21:29,572
Speaker 3: the concerns, right that we are primarily exporting our genetics,

1638
01:21:29,652 --> 01:21:31,732
Speaker 3: which is the best, some of the best in the world.

1639
01:21:32,612 --> 01:21:35,852
Speaker 2: And we know the strategy of China as that vertical integration.

1640
01:21:36,013 --> 01:21:38,772
Speaker 3: They want to own the whole side of the industry,

1641
01:21:38,933 --> 01:21:42,093
Speaker 3: from breeding the cattle to the milk, to processing the

1642
01:21:42,173 --> 01:21:44,532
Speaker 3: milk and then to exporting their own product, which is

1643
01:21:44,572 --> 01:21:46,732
Speaker 3: what we do very well. So I think that is

1644
01:21:46,732 --> 01:21:49,093
Speaker 3: a fair argument that why do we want to help

1645
01:21:49,213 --> 01:21:53,372
Speaker 3: China do the business that we do so well? To

1646
01:21:53,652 --> 01:21:55,773
Speaker 3: become a competitor, a bigger competitor.

1647
01:21:56,333 --> 01:21:59,012
Speaker 25: I mean the government do that with the thoroughbred industry,

1648
01:21:59,093 --> 01:22:02,372
Speaker 25: don't they and or trating. They enhance the gene pool

1649
01:22:02,452 --> 01:22:07,253
Speaker 25: of New Zealand orss by importing semen or stallion from overseas.

1650
01:22:07,652 --> 01:22:10,173
Speaker 25: So the office that happens, and we've been from it.

1651
01:22:10,893 --> 01:22:15,013
Speaker 25: You know, society has changed a great deal and the

1652
01:22:15,173 --> 01:22:19,093
Speaker 25: economics of everything is critical. You can't live back in

1653
01:22:19,213 --> 01:22:23,813
Speaker 25: the old days. We've moved forward, people and live exports

1654
01:22:23,973 --> 01:22:26,052
Speaker 25: is another method of moving forward.

1655
01:22:26,933 --> 01:22:29,293
Speaker 2: It wasn't sorry you carry on, Bob, No, no, no,

1656
01:22:29,412 --> 01:22:29,732
Speaker 2: carry on.

1657
01:22:30,492 --> 01:22:31,932
Speaker 25: Well, I was going to say, it wasn't that long

1658
01:22:32,013 --> 01:22:35,173
Speaker 25: ago that snails had to be protected and an open

1659
01:22:35,333 --> 01:22:39,813
Speaker 25: cast coal mine called Pike River was forced to go underground.

1660
01:22:40,133 --> 01:22:40,293
Speaker 7: Yep.

1661
01:22:40,452 --> 01:22:43,292
Speaker 25: And the snails that they took into custody and protected

1662
01:22:43,372 --> 01:22:47,092
Speaker 25: them and refrigerated and cooled light conditions, they all died

1663
01:22:47,133 --> 01:22:48,333
Speaker 25: because there was a power cut.

1664
01:22:48,812 --> 01:22:50,133
Speaker 2: I remember that. I remember that.

1665
01:22:50,333 --> 01:22:52,612
Speaker 3: I mean, I love as much as the next man.

1666
01:22:52,652 --> 01:22:54,652
Speaker 3: I don't know if they're quite taken into custody. I think,

1667
01:22:54,692 --> 01:22:57,812
Speaker 3: you know, there was a genuine, genuine effort to protect

1668
01:22:57,853 --> 01:23:00,892
Speaker 3: those snails because they were unique to New Zealand. But yeah,

1669
01:23:00,933 --> 01:23:04,973
Speaker 3: I hear what you're saying. I mean the industry in particular,

1670
01:23:05,253 --> 01:23:07,612
Speaker 3: I mean, like a lot of industries, is there will

1671
01:23:07,732 --> 01:23:11,012
Speaker 3: be something that go wrong. And buying large animal welfare

1672
01:23:11,253 --> 01:23:13,093
Speaker 3: is top notch when it comes to New Zealand, and

1673
01:23:13,173 --> 01:23:15,412
Speaker 3: we're proud of that fact. But when you do what

1674
01:23:15,572 --> 01:23:18,012
Speaker 3: you do, Bob, and as you said, you lost one

1675
01:23:18,133 --> 01:23:21,692
Speaker 3: cattle who had a twisted and testine and it likely

1676
01:23:21,732 --> 01:23:23,932
Speaker 3: wouldn't have made it if it was on a paddock

1677
01:23:24,333 --> 01:23:25,612
Speaker 3: somewhere in New Zealand anyway.

1678
01:23:26,253 --> 01:23:28,213
Speaker 2: But when they get to another you.

1679
01:23:28,253 --> 01:23:31,012
Speaker 25: Go there was one other thing. There were five decks

1680
01:23:31,532 --> 01:23:34,133
Speaker 25: of cattle and they went down into the hull of

1681
01:23:34,213 --> 01:23:37,173
Speaker 25: the boat. Now, I think as a result of some

1682
01:23:37,412 --> 01:23:40,333
Speaker 25: of the safe and the animal activists the ship that

1683
01:23:40,452 --> 01:23:45,173
Speaker 25: went down about five or six years ago, they had

1684
01:23:45,213 --> 01:23:49,333
Speaker 25: to build their decks above the top deck and that

1685
01:23:49,572 --> 01:23:52,572
Speaker 25: was a contributing factor from what I understand, when they

1686
01:23:52,652 --> 01:23:57,053
Speaker 25: were negotiating stormy seas to getting swamped and settling on

1687
01:23:57,173 --> 01:23:59,893
Speaker 25: the bottom of the ocean. Get nothing wrong with the

1688
01:23:59,973 --> 01:24:01,812
Speaker 25: decks down there. They were cooled.

1689
01:24:02,133 --> 01:24:04,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean that was a tragic accident, but

1690
01:24:04,213 --> 01:24:07,532
Speaker 3: an accident nonetheless, do you know what the stress levels

1691
01:24:07,572 --> 01:24:08,932
Speaker 3: are like for the cattle?

1692
01:24:08,973 --> 01:24:09,173
Speaker 2: Bob?

1693
01:24:09,213 --> 01:24:11,852
Speaker 3: And I just say that is that you know back

1694
01:24:12,652 --> 01:24:14,932
Speaker 3: you'd know the name Temple Great and I assume, Bob,

1695
01:24:15,053 --> 01:24:18,692
Speaker 3: she's she autistic woman over in America, but very renowned

1696
01:24:18,732 --> 01:24:21,412
Speaker 3: when it comes to looking after cattle and introduced the

1697
01:24:21,452 --> 01:24:24,452
Speaker 3: whole raft of mechanisms when it comes to milking cattle

1698
01:24:24,492 --> 01:24:25,293
Speaker 3: and moving them around.

1699
01:24:25,532 --> 01:24:28,452
Speaker 2: Because you can understand where the stress levels were. Is

1700
01:24:28,933 --> 01:24:29,612
Speaker 2: that a part of it?

1701
01:24:29,732 --> 01:24:33,932
Speaker 3: That measuring how stressed these animals could be getting onto

1702
01:24:33,973 --> 01:24:36,572
Speaker 3: the ship, hitting those conditions when they're at sea.

1703
01:24:37,133 --> 01:24:38,892
Speaker 2: That can be difficult to tell sometimes.

1704
01:24:40,093 --> 01:24:42,372
Speaker 25: I'm seventy seven years of age. I was brought up

1705
01:24:42,452 --> 01:24:45,253
Speaker 25: on a farm and I've come back to farming and

1706
01:24:45,372 --> 01:24:49,533
Speaker 25: hobby farming after retirement. And I think the best indicator

1707
01:24:49,572 --> 01:24:52,412
Speaker 25: of a stressed animal is their eye. You look them

1708
01:24:52,452 --> 01:24:55,692
Speaker 25: in the eye. You can tell whether an animal, no

1709
01:24:55,853 --> 01:24:58,933
Speaker 25: matter what animal it is, by a good look in

1710
01:24:59,013 --> 01:25:03,093
Speaker 25: the eye. And I don't believe any of those animals

1711
01:25:03,812 --> 01:25:05,293
Speaker 25: were stressed, would.

1712
01:25:05,133 --> 01:25:05,732
Speaker 9: You believe it?

1713
01:25:06,293 --> 01:25:08,133
Speaker 25: Tyler? When I was a young fella and a lot

1714
01:25:08,173 --> 01:25:10,412
Speaker 25: of my mate did their oe and they went to

1715
01:25:10,492 --> 01:25:13,732
Speaker 25: the UK. They spent six weeks on the ship. Mate,

1716
01:25:15,093 --> 01:25:17,133
Speaker 25: these cattle names spend six weeks.

1717
01:25:16,893 --> 01:25:17,333
Speaker 6: On the ship.

1718
01:25:17,492 --> 01:25:19,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, I heard it was pretty tough for some of them, Bob,

1719
01:25:19,853 --> 01:25:22,173
Speaker 3: But thank you very much for your call. Good to

1720
01:25:22,213 --> 01:25:25,333
Speaker 3: get your experience. Bob was a certified stockman. He was

1721
01:25:25,412 --> 01:25:30,092
Speaker 3: on some of these export live export ships in twenty thirteen,

1722
01:25:30,133 --> 01:25:30,892
Speaker 3: I believe, he said.

1723
01:25:31,732 --> 01:25:34,133
Speaker 2: And he said welfare was not an issue.

1724
01:25:34,253 --> 01:25:37,932
Speaker 3: They were there primarily to look after the welfare around

1725
01:25:38,013 --> 01:25:40,732
Speaker 3: the clock, and they had hospital wings, et cetera. And

1726
01:25:40,812 --> 01:25:43,333
Speaker 3: they got off the ship better than when they got

1727
01:25:43,372 --> 01:25:44,892
Speaker 3: on it. But what do you say, Oh, one hundred

1728
01:25:44,893 --> 01:25:47,053
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is that number to call back for?

1729
01:25:47,133 --> 01:25:49,932
Speaker 3: He shortly It is sixteen past three. His talk said,

1730
01:25:50,013 --> 01:25:52,972
Speaker 3: be nineteen past three. Simon, good afternoon.

1731
01:25:53,093 --> 01:26:00,652
Speaker 6: You hi. As a person that eats meat, and I'm

1732
01:26:01,013 --> 01:26:05,412
Speaker 6: never entertained being a vegetarian or a vegan I have.

1733
01:26:05,893 --> 01:26:09,652
Speaker 6: I seriously have a serious issue with shipping livestock off

1734
01:26:09,732 --> 01:26:13,213
Speaker 6: New Zealand and the ships and the fact that they're

1735
01:26:13,253 --> 01:26:16,572
Speaker 6: saying it's a gold standard. Having events on board does

1736
01:26:16,652 --> 01:26:19,812
Speaker 6: not make the welfare of the sheep any better. It

1737
01:26:19,933 --> 01:26:22,852
Speaker 6: allows them to be at set. It's like having a

1738
01:26:22,973 --> 01:26:27,053
Speaker 6: cruise ship that everyone's got the trots on it. So no,

1739
01:26:27,213 --> 01:26:28,893
Speaker 6: well we've got two doctors on board, you know.

1740
01:26:29,173 --> 01:26:32,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've seen a lot of that in recent reason memories.

1741
01:26:32,572 --> 01:26:38,133
Speaker 6: I mean exactly, And I know economics is ruling this one,

1742
01:26:38,492 --> 01:26:41,652
Speaker 6: but I don't understand it. And someone could answer the question.

1743
01:26:42,093 --> 01:26:45,692
Speaker 6: Is when you're shipping sheep off here at an average

1744
01:26:45,732 --> 01:26:49,812
Speaker 6: weight of say thirty five kilos, and they're arriving in

1745
01:26:49,933 --> 01:26:54,452
Speaker 6: the Arab state, Saudi Arabia, Asia, wherever they're headed to,

1746
01:26:54,492 --> 01:26:57,052
Speaker 6: they're going over. They're seriously going over the Pacific Ocean

1747
01:26:57,692 --> 01:26:59,812
Speaker 6: and in the Indian Ocean, so they're going to be

1748
01:26:59,812 --> 01:27:02,492
Speaker 6: at sea for a long time. When those sheep arrive

1749
01:27:02,772 --> 01:27:05,572
Speaker 6: and they arrive at say twenty nine kilos or twenty

1750
01:27:05,652 --> 01:27:09,732
Speaker 6: eight kilos, you're telling me that the Arabs the end

1751
01:27:09,772 --> 01:27:13,812
Speaker 6: to use that the customer is paying us for thirty

1752
01:27:13,853 --> 01:27:17,052
Speaker 6: five kiloads of sheep that left New Zealand. They're not daft.

1753
01:27:17,213 --> 01:27:20,892
Speaker 6: They will be paying for what they receive and sheep

1754
01:27:21,293 --> 01:27:23,532
Speaker 6: they are going to lose weight on a journey like that,

1755
01:27:23,732 --> 01:27:27,612
Speaker 6: So I don't understand their economics. The thing is, we

1756
01:27:27,812 --> 01:27:31,932
Speaker 6: have to add value to our product, and like we're

1757
01:27:31,973 --> 01:27:34,932
Speaker 6: closing down freezing works in New Zealand. We're losing jobs,

1758
01:27:35,013 --> 01:27:39,492
Speaker 6: We're shipping sheep live over to foreign countries and losing

1759
01:27:39,532 --> 01:27:43,652
Speaker 6: out on weight. What's with the economics in that, Yeah, I.

1760
01:27:43,692 --> 01:27:45,532
Speaker 3: Mean just on the welfare side of things. The more

1761
01:27:45,572 --> 01:27:48,213
Speaker 3: I think about it, and we've all gone past a

1762
01:27:48,293 --> 01:27:52,972
Speaker 3: stock truck, for example, shipping or shipping stock between farm

1763
01:27:53,133 --> 01:27:56,652
Speaker 3: or between regions, and you see them loaded up on there,

1764
01:27:56,692 --> 01:27:58,412
Speaker 3: and I know it's a necessary to move them through

1765
01:27:58,492 --> 01:28:00,892
Speaker 3: and it's a very limited amount of time, but there's

1766
01:28:01,053 --> 01:28:04,452
Speaker 3: no doubt that they are somewhat's first animals in that position.

1767
01:28:04,812 --> 01:28:07,732
Speaker 3: So then you elongate it out to what's six weeks

1768
01:28:07,772 --> 01:28:11,452
Speaker 3: if they're in a similar condition. I cannot help but

1769
01:28:11,572 --> 01:28:13,972
Speaker 3: think that that is inherently cruel, no matter how much

1770
01:28:14,853 --> 01:28:17,093
Speaker 3: you know people like Bob say that they're there looking after,

1771
01:28:17,133 --> 01:28:20,053
Speaker 3: they've got hospital wings, they've got vets now and all

1772
01:28:20,093 --> 01:28:22,852
Speaker 3: the rest of it. It just seems an incredibly harsh

1773
01:28:24,173 --> 01:28:25,612
Speaker 3: environment for any animal to be in.

1774
01:28:26,372 --> 01:28:26,572
Speaker 17: Yeah.

1775
01:28:26,692 --> 01:28:29,692
Speaker 6: Well, I'm a plastic farmer myself. I've got a lifestyle block,

1776
01:28:29,772 --> 01:28:32,612
Speaker 6: so I'm running about a sheep on it, and they're

1777
01:28:32,652 --> 01:28:35,053
Speaker 6: not made to go on the sea, and a lot

1778
01:28:35,093 --> 01:28:37,173
Speaker 6: of these ships like the one that went down about

1779
01:28:37,253 --> 01:28:39,852
Speaker 6: four or five six years ago or something like that. Yep,

1780
01:28:40,492 --> 01:28:44,253
Speaker 6: that's converted container ship. That's a flat deck ship with

1781
01:28:44,333 --> 01:28:47,532
Speaker 6: a hole that's been converted into a stock carrier. And

1782
01:28:47,652 --> 01:28:50,452
Speaker 6: these things are open, they've got sea spray coming through them,

1783
01:28:50,652 --> 01:28:53,133
Speaker 6: and when they hit big waves, the stock's just going

1784
01:28:53,173 --> 01:28:55,532
Speaker 6: to ride on through it, you know. And it's not

1785
01:28:55,772 --> 01:28:59,452
Speaker 6: like a container that can take the splashes of the waves.

1786
01:28:59,532 --> 01:29:04,932
Speaker 6: These sheep are going to arrive there having lost weight

1787
01:29:05,372 --> 01:29:07,612
Speaker 6: the weight that they leave New Zealand. And I'm sure

1788
01:29:07,732 --> 01:29:11,213
Speaker 6: we all work for accountant. It's pure economic decision. So

1789
01:29:12,213 --> 01:29:16,173
Speaker 6: we're actually losing out on kilos. The sheep that the

1790
01:29:16,253 --> 01:29:19,333
Speaker 6: farmers fed up to the point when it leaves New

1791
01:29:19,412 --> 01:29:22,732
Speaker 6: Zealand is arriving lighter, and the customer will not be

1792
01:29:22,853 --> 01:29:25,412
Speaker 6: paying for the weight that it left New Zealand at. Yeah,

1793
01:29:25,452 --> 01:29:29,333
Speaker 6: but it just makes no sense. I believe if we're

1794
01:29:29,333 --> 01:29:32,293
Speaker 6: eating sheep and with farm and then they deserve a

1795
01:29:32,372 --> 01:29:34,852
Speaker 6: good clean death and not suffering on the way.

1796
01:29:35,213 --> 01:29:35,412
Speaker 20: Yeah.

1797
01:29:35,612 --> 01:29:38,612
Speaker 2: Well, look the China equation, I agree with you, Simon.

1798
01:29:38,652 --> 01:29:40,652
Speaker 3: I don't know how that stacks up if they're paying

1799
01:29:40,692 --> 01:29:42,852
Speaker 3: eight thousand dollars per head of kettle, as a previous

1800
01:29:42,973 --> 01:29:47,852
Speaker 3: caller called Simon said, and the kettle is turning up

1801
01:29:48,293 --> 01:29:50,692
Speaker 3: in a poor state than when it left. But I

1802
01:29:50,853 --> 01:29:53,333
Speaker 3: think in the Middle East, the reason they prefer live

1803
01:29:53,452 --> 01:29:56,452
Speaker 3: exports is because it's halal meat, so they need the

1804
01:29:56,532 --> 01:29:59,812
Speaker 3: live animal to be able to slaughter it in the

1805
01:29:59,973 --> 01:30:02,372
Speaker 3: halal fashion, and they just can't produce enough of their

1806
01:30:02,412 --> 01:30:05,532
Speaker 3: own kettle and sheep to provide for their population. So

1807
01:30:05,612 --> 01:30:08,293
Speaker 3: I can understand that side if they're paying big money

1808
01:30:09,013 --> 01:30:11,572
Speaker 3: because that is important to them, But that doesn't mean

1809
01:30:11,612 --> 01:30:12,612
Speaker 3: it's okay that we do it.

1810
01:30:13,572 --> 01:30:16,612
Speaker 6: And we again we're not adding value to our product.

1811
01:30:16,933 --> 01:30:21,692
Speaker 6: We can have all the certifications that the Middle East

1812
01:30:21,772 --> 01:30:25,012
Speaker 6: can have their officers over here that have actually witnessed

1813
01:30:25,053 --> 01:30:27,132
Speaker 6: the killing and the meat and they having the process,

1814
01:30:27,173 --> 01:30:30,692
Speaker 6: and that we can cater for hallal meat. It's the

1815
01:30:30,772 --> 01:30:33,532
Speaker 6: fact that it's a bit, it's a bit shortsighted to

1816
01:30:33,612 --> 01:30:36,652
Speaker 6: stay it can only be done in the United Arab

1817
01:30:36,732 --> 01:30:39,173
Speaker 6: Emirates of it hallal meat. When I lived in the UK,

1818
01:30:39,492 --> 01:30:41,372
Speaker 6: and there's plenty that's killed in the UK.

1819
01:30:42,612 --> 01:30:45,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, plenty of butcher's around New Zealand as well.

1820
01:30:45,253 --> 01:30:47,612
Speaker 3: You see them all the time. Correct, Yeah, Simon, you

1821
01:30:47,692 --> 01:30:49,772
Speaker 3: make some great points. Thank you very much for giving

1822
01:30:49,853 --> 01:30:51,372
Speaker 3: us a call. What do you say, oh, one hundred

1823
01:30:51,412 --> 01:30:54,532
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty Simon is a lifestyle blocker and

1824
01:30:54,612 --> 01:30:57,133
Speaker 3: as he said, he's a proud meat easter, but the

1825
01:30:57,213 --> 01:31:00,452
Speaker 3: welfare situation when it comes to life animal exports just

1826
01:31:00,612 --> 01:31:01,652
Speaker 3: does not stack up.

1827
01:31:01,732 --> 01:31:04,253
Speaker 2: Do you agree? Nineteen nine two's to Texas twenty four

1828
01:31:04,293 --> 01:31:04,932
Speaker 2: past three.

1829
01:31:08,612 --> 01:31:12,933
Speaker 1: Madd Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight eighty on

1830
01:31:13,133 --> 01:31:14,172
Speaker 1: youth Talk ZB.

1831
01:31:14,492 --> 01:31:17,093
Speaker 3: Very good afternoons. It is twenty seven pass three. We're

1832
01:31:17,093 --> 01:31:20,052
Speaker 3: talking about the live animal export ban. It will remain

1833
01:31:20,133 --> 01:31:23,572
Speaker 3: in place at least this parliamentary term after our national

1834
01:31:23,692 --> 01:31:28,093
Speaker 3: has backtracked on the decision. Originally they did say they

1835
01:31:28,133 --> 01:31:29,892
Speaker 3: were going to overturn it, but there's not enough time

1836
01:31:29,933 --> 01:31:31,013
Speaker 3: this parliamentary term.

1837
01:31:31,093 --> 01:31:33,492
Speaker 2: So what do you say? Good decision or a mistake?

1838
01:31:33,572 --> 01:31:34,412
Speaker 2: Get a Gus.

1839
01:31:36,053 --> 01:31:36,333
Speaker 26: Tyler?

1840
01:31:36,412 --> 01:31:36,812
Speaker 14: How are you?

1841
01:31:36,973 --> 01:31:37,732
Speaker 2: I am very well?

1842
01:31:38,772 --> 01:31:39,012
Speaker 26: Good?

1843
01:31:39,133 --> 01:31:39,372
Speaker 27: Good?

1844
01:31:40,133 --> 01:31:40,572
Speaker 20: What first?

1845
01:31:40,612 --> 01:31:41,133
Speaker 6: He'd like to say?

1846
01:31:41,253 --> 01:31:45,493
Speaker 26: I thoroughly enjoyed listening to Bob and his practical experience

1847
01:31:45,772 --> 01:31:47,612
Speaker 26: and common sense approach.

1848
01:31:49,572 --> 01:31:49,852
Speaker 25: Tyler.

1849
01:31:49,933 --> 01:31:50,973
Speaker 6: I was involved with a.

1850
01:31:52,812 --> 01:31:58,812
Speaker 26: Live shipment of heppers to China. From a nutritional aspect.

1851
01:31:58,933 --> 01:32:05,932
Speaker 26: We made up the feed and we ensured we loaded

1852
01:32:06,053 --> 01:32:09,772
Speaker 26: on board, We ensured that the the feed was a

1853
01:32:10,053 --> 01:32:16,532
Speaker 26: completely balanced ration, minimal dust. With moving the feed around,

1854
01:32:16,572 --> 01:32:19,572
Speaker 26: it was blowing around the vessel into the feed trots,

1855
01:32:20,053 --> 01:32:25,133
Speaker 26: and you had to ensure that there wasn't excessive US

1856
01:32:25,372 --> 01:32:29,333
Speaker 26: because that would have been that wouldn't have been good

1857
01:32:29,372 --> 01:32:33,652
Speaker 26: for the animals. But overall in that shipment there were

1858
01:32:33,692 --> 01:32:38,572
Speaker 26: no losses. The heifers put on point three of a

1859
01:32:38,652 --> 01:32:42,812
Speaker 26: kilogram a day, and we basically targeted that point three

1860
01:32:43,053 --> 01:32:47,852
Speaker 26: so that the feed was made up to ensure that

1861
01:32:48,013 --> 01:32:52,013
Speaker 26: a they were healthy during that voyage. B they put

1862
01:32:52,093 --> 01:32:56,293
Speaker 26: on that point three kilograms live weight. And the other

1863
01:32:56,412 --> 01:32:59,852
Speaker 26: thing was, as Bob mentioned, with the hospital facilities, you

1864
01:32:59,933 --> 01:33:03,412
Speaker 26: will get some shied feeders or slow feeders. There was

1865
01:33:03,452 --> 01:33:07,213
Speaker 26: a lot of looser hay, long looser hay on the

1866
01:33:07,532 --> 01:33:10,692
Speaker 26: on the vessel which was given to any of those

1867
01:33:10,732 --> 01:33:15,173
Speaker 26: animals if they didn't get onto the feed. However, those

1868
01:33:16,093 --> 01:33:19,492
Speaker 26: heifers were backgrounded for I think it was I can't

1869
01:33:19,532 --> 01:33:21,933
Speaker 26: remember now two or three weeks prior to going on

1870
01:33:22,053 --> 01:33:26,093
Speaker 26: the vessel, so that they were fed the same ration

1871
01:33:26,333 --> 01:33:28,253
Speaker 26: that they were going to be fed on the vessel,

1872
01:33:29,093 --> 01:33:32,893
Speaker 26: and hence that was one of the main reasons we

1873
01:33:32,973 --> 01:33:38,532
Speaker 26: didn't have any issues the previous shipment that were issues

1874
01:33:39,253 --> 01:33:42,372
Speaker 26: and that was identified as been a problem with the

1875
01:33:42,532 --> 01:33:47,092
Speaker 26: feed left over in the vessel from a previous voyage

1876
01:33:48,133 --> 01:33:51,173
Speaker 26: and it had microtopsins in it that led to all

1877
01:33:51,253 --> 01:33:56,772
Speaker 26: sorts of issues. But I think the main point is

1878
01:33:57,053 --> 01:34:00,412
Speaker 26: you can plan as much as you like, and you

1879
01:34:00,492 --> 01:34:05,093
Speaker 26: can make sure that yes, the feed's healthy, that they're

1880
01:34:05,093 --> 01:34:07,173
Speaker 26: going to put on point three of a caligram a day,

1881
01:34:07,732 --> 01:34:12,133
Speaker 26: but if that vessel breaks down or there's storm or

1882
01:34:12,933 --> 01:34:18,133
Speaker 26: there's these unforeseen circumstances that you know that you can't

1883
01:34:18,213 --> 01:34:21,253
Speaker 26: plan for, and we used we did put a lot

1884
01:34:21,293 --> 01:34:24,013
Speaker 26: of extra feed in there in the vessel. So if

1885
01:34:24,093 --> 01:34:28,452
Speaker 26: the word delays, you know, the cattle had feed. I

1886
01:34:28,532 --> 01:34:30,892
Speaker 26: can't remember how much it was now, maybe an extra

1887
01:34:31,013 --> 01:34:34,333
Speaker 26: week or whatever it was, right, But you look at

1888
01:34:34,333 --> 01:34:36,732
Speaker 26: the situation now, I was shipping around the world. If

1889
01:34:36,732 --> 01:34:39,253
Speaker 26: you had to turn a vessel around and and you

1890
01:34:39,372 --> 01:34:41,532
Speaker 26: only had a week's feed on board to come back

1891
01:34:43,173 --> 01:34:47,412
Speaker 26: in this three weeks return voyage, some serious problems.

1892
01:34:47,492 --> 01:34:50,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, so can that be equated for gus though? You

1893
01:34:50,973 --> 01:34:53,093
Speaker 2: know just on that was what you did did for

1894
01:34:53,213 --> 01:34:53,612
Speaker 2: a living.

1895
01:34:53,812 --> 01:34:57,852
Speaker 3: But if that's part of the hurdle to you know,

1896
01:34:58,492 --> 01:35:00,492
Speaker 3: bringing it back and overturning the band and making sure

1897
01:35:00,532 --> 01:35:02,692
Speaker 3: we had that gold standard that could be equateed for,

1898
01:35:02,853 --> 01:35:03,133
Speaker 3: can't it?

1899
01:35:04,213 --> 01:35:05,732
Speaker 26: Oh you could? I mean, yeah, there's going to be

1900
01:35:05,812 --> 01:35:09,772
Speaker 26: more storage on the on the vessel obviously, and you

1901
01:35:09,772 --> 01:35:12,972
Speaker 26: you would have to be careful that that feeds sitting

1902
01:35:13,053 --> 01:35:17,612
Speaker 26: on that vessel on the return voyage. You know, it

1903
01:35:17,732 --> 01:35:20,933
Speaker 26: wasn't affected if you had no cattle for it to

1904
01:35:21,013 --> 01:35:25,252
Speaker 26: be fed to. But yeah, comes back to the economics.

1905
01:35:25,333 --> 01:35:27,492
Speaker 26: Of course you could. You could put enough feed on there.

1906
01:35:28,772 --> 01:35:31,612
Speaker 26: But on one thing I shouldain, wouldn't put them on

1907
01:35:31,652 --> 01:35:35,732
Speaker 26: a cook straight faerry not not gold standard. I don't

1908
01:35:35,772 --> 01:35:39,053
Speaker 26: think the reliability is not there, and that you know,

1909
01:35:39,133 --> 01:35:42,532
Speaker 26: that's an example of how you know, things can go

1910
01:35:43,093 --> 01:35:47,492
Speaker 26: horribly wrong. The engineering has got to be right up

1911
01:35:47,572 --> 01:35:50,852
Speaker 26: to scratch. The conditions are very good. Yeah, those cattles

1912
01:35:50,853 --> 01:35:55,333
Speaker 26: settled down very quickly. You know, I was there loading

1913
01:35:55,412 --> 01:36:01,293
Speaker 26: the cattle, watching them, how they behaved. They yeah, they're

1914
01:36:01,333 --> 01:36:04,293
Speaker 26: excited for a while and they do jump about, but

1915
01:36:05,293 --> 01:36:09,052
Speaker 26: no different to cattle going into the The cattle yards

1916
01:36:09,173 --> 01:36:11,973
Speaker 26: or going to the works or sale yards. You know,

1917
01:36:12,133 --> 01:36:16,372
Speaker 26: they they settled down very quickly. And as Bob said,

1918
01:36:16,412 --> 01:36:21,933
Speaker 26: they can like there's enough room to lie down comfortably

1919
01:36:22,412 --> 01:36:25,093
Speaker 26: and they're lot just on a hard deck the swordust

1920
01:36:25,253 --> 01:36:31,213
Speaker 26: and straw, and they settled down very quickly. And if

1921
01:36:31,253 --> 01:36:32,812
Speaker 26: an animal is going to put on zero point three

1922
01:36:32,853 --> 01:36:35,253
Speaker 26: of a kilogram of a day, or put on any weight,

1923
01:36:36,173 --> 01:36:41,133
Speaker 26: then they're happy. They're comfortable. An animal is not going

1924
01:36:41,213 --> 01:36:44,893
Speaker 26: to put on weight if it's stressed or you know,

1925
01:36:45,173 --> 01:36:46,453
Speaker 26: very adverse conditions.

1926
01:36:47,293 --> 01:36:49,492
Speaker 2: Gus, you've added a lot to this. Thank you very much.

1927
01:36:49,532 --> 01:36:51,572
Speaker 3: You've got a lot of expertise on this and great

1928
01:36:51,652 --> 01:36:53,932
Speaker 3: to get your thoughts at how it works. And clearly,

1929
01:36:54,213 --> 01:36:58,293
Speaker 3: as Gus mentioned, you know the welfare considerations are high level.

1930
01:36:58,572 --> 01:37:01,372
Speaker 3: He used to work in maintaining they had enough feed

1931
01:37:01,452 --> 01:37:04,333
Speaker 3: for the live exports. So what do you say, oh,

1932
01:37:04,333 --> 01:37:06,293
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Can you get your

1933
01:37:06,333 --> 01:37:10,412
Speaker 3: head around why National has decided to not overturn this ban?

1934
01:37:10,572 --> 01:37:13,293
Speaker 3: Is it purely do you think about the gold standard

1935
01:37:13,372 --> 01:37:15,892
Speaker 3: welfare or is there more to its Oh one hundred

1936
01:37:15,893 --> 01:37:18,532
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is that number? Headlines with railing

1937
01:37:18,572 --> 01:37:20,372
Speaker 3: coming up it is twenty seventy four.

1938
01:37:22,133 --> 01:37:25,692
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01:37:57,333 --> 01:38:01,932
Speaker 10: defacing a THPAPA exhibit in twenty twenty three. Ab sailing

1948
01:38:02,013 --> 01:38:04,772
Speaker 10: are ted e t or wait Dangi exhibit to paint

1949
01:38:04,853 --> 01:38:08,853
Speaker 10: over the English version. Police are hunting an un idied

1950
01:38:08,933 --> 01:38:11,973
Speaker 10: man who took a swing and injured another man at

1951
01:38:12,013 --> 01:38:15,253
Speaker 10: a golf club in Hawks Bay's Marhia late last month.

1952
01:38:15,532 --> 01:38:19,412
Speaker 10: They're asking for any information. Farm makers funding a new

1953
01:38:19,492 --> 01:38:23,572
Speaker 10: cystic fibrosis medication and widening access to two others from

1954
01:38:23,652 --> 01:38:28,293
Speaker 10: next month. A medicinal cannabis company has gone up in smoke.

1955
01:38:28,812 --> 01:38:33,852
Speaker 10: Helias Therapeutics is entering voluntary administration and closing. It's East

1956
01:38:33,933 --> 01:38:40,333
Speaker 10: Tarmaki manufacturing facility, Riches Wellington and Socoatel Queenstown sold to

1957
01:38:40,532 --> 01:38:43,932
Speaker 10: Americans for two hundred and fifty million dollars. You can

1958
01:38:43,973 --> 01:38:47,253
Speaker 10: find out more at NZ Herald Premium. Back to matt

1959
01:38:47,293 --> 01:38:48,853
Speaker 10: Ethan Tyler Adams.

1960
01:38:48,572 --> 01:38:50,972
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ray Lean, and we are talking

1961
01:38:51,093 --> 01:38:54,293
Speaker 3: about live animal exports. The band will remain in place

1962
01:38:54,333 --> 01:38:58,372
Speaker 3: at least this parliamentary term after Cabinet couldn't agree on

1963
01:38:58,772 --> 01:39:01,613
Speaker 3: the so called gold standard when it comes to welfare.

1964
01:39:02,253 --> 01:39:04,932
Speaker 3: So are the welfare rests too great when it comes

1965
01:39:04,973 --> 01:39:07,612
Speaker 3: to live animal exports or is this a poor decision

1966
01:39:07,612 --> 01:39:08,133
Speaker 3: by the government.

1967
01:39:08,333 --> 01:39:10,692
Speaker 2: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Scott?

1968
01:39:10,732 --> 01:39:11,053
Speaker 17: How are you?

1969
01:39:11,973 --> 01:39:12,492
Speaker 11: Where are you?

1970
01:39:13,772 --> 01:39:13,972
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1971
01:39:14,013 --> 01:39:17,052
Speaker 3: Good mate? And you're a farmer. You've exported kettle yourself?

1972
01:39:17,853 --> 01:39:18,612
Speaker 9: Yeah I have Yeah.

1973
01:39:18,893 --> 01:39:20,492
Speaker 11: Things that you've heard from a couple of people who

1974
01:39:20,532 --> 01:39:23,093
Speaker 11: have actually been involved in a who probably the best

1975
01:39:23,133 --> 01:39:29,053
Speaker 11: ones to speak to the conditions on there. Whereas from

1976
01:39:29,572 --> 01:39:31,692
Speaker 11: our point of view, it's more, you know, you get

1977
01:39:31,732 --> 01:39:34,492
Speaker 11: to saying, oh, you know why you're exporting your genetics

1978
01:39:34,572 --> 01:39:37,572
Speaker 11: blah blah blah. I can guarantee you no farmer in

1979
01:39:37,612 --> 01:39:40,213
Speaker 11: New Zealand. They're never sold them their best kettle. What

1980
01:39:40,412 --> 01:39:43,293
Speaker 11: they get is probably the second cant fight. The ones

1981
01:39:43,333 --> 01:39:45,452
Speaker 11: that are you sort of feel they're good to go

1982
01:39:45,532 --> 01:39:48,213
Speaker 11: into the beast's but then you know they're not good

1983
01:39:48,333 --> 01:39:50,213
Speaker 11: enough to go into your hurt. That's the sort of

1984
01:39:50,732 --> 01:39:55,492
Speaker 11: thing you see them the New Zealand's strategic advantages. So

1985
01:39:55,612 --> 01:39:58,452
Speaker 11: you've foy to grow grass pretty much all year round

1986
01:39:58,532 --> 01:40:03,093
Speaker 11: and great kettle outside, and that's where China will never

1987
01:40:03,572 --> 01:40:06,852
Speaker 11: They'll never produce cattle as cheaply as we can produce it.

1988
01:40:07,412 --> 01:40:09,932
Speaker 11: It's sort of similar that Dubai has a ski field,

1989
01:40:10,293 --> 01:40:15,372
Speaker 11: but it doesn't really rival anywhere else. So yeah, I

1990
01:40:15,452 --> 01:40:18,173
Speaker 11: mean from that point of view, they just they will

1991
01:40:18,213 --> 01:40:20,333
Speaker 11: never be a competitive player in the world.

1992
01:40:20,372 --> 01:40:21,093
Speaker 14: They may be able to.

1993
01:40:21,333 --> 01:40:24,213
Speaker 11: Produce some kettle to feed some people and it makes

1994
01:40:24,253 --> 01:40:27,973
Speaker 11: them feel good, so yeah, so that's that's sort of

1995
01:40:28,053 --> 01:40:29,293
Speaker 11: more where I stand from them.

1996
01:40:29,692 --> 01:40:30,452
Speaker 2: That's good information.

1997
01:40:30,612 --> 01:40:33,812
Speaker 3: So when you're selling kettle for the live export, when

1998
01:40:33,853 --> 01:40:36,892
Speaker 3: you're able to pre twenty twenty three, how would that operate?

1999
01:40:37,053 --> 01:40:39,732
Speaker 3: Do you you'd go to someone in the industry or

2000
01:40:39,772 --> 01:40:42,213
Speaker 3: that'd come to you and say we are after so

2001
01:40:42,372 --> 01:40:44,333
Speaker 3: many kettle when here's the price we're willing to pay you.

2002
01:40:44,412 --> 01:40:44,972
Speaker 2: How does it work?

2003
01:40:45,692 --> 01:40:49,732
Speaker 11: Yeah, sure, So you have stock agents. Everybody you pretty

2004
01:40:49,812 --> 01:40:52,652
Speaker 11: much awarn them will sell through stock agents, so that

2005
01:40:52,893 --> 01:40:55,492
Speaker 11: get a buying order from the exporters.

2006
01:40:56,452 --> 01:40:58,293
Speaker 22: And your shows if you want to put someone into

2007
01:40:58,372 --> 01:41:01,932
Speaker 22: that order. And then there was so much work from

2008
01:41:02,013 --> 01:41:05,293
Speaker 22: then you go through two lots of blood tests a

2009
01:41:05,412 --> 01:41:07,772
Speaker 22: bit instead like a bits would come on farther and

2010
01:41:07,812 --> 01:41:08,412
Speaker 22: in stick.

2011
01:41:08,853 --> 01:41:13,293
Speaker 11: They put a heap of money into it. And then

2012
01:41:13,933 --> 01:41:16,852
Speaker 11: and then the shipping date, so you'd sort of be

2013
01:41:17,372 --> 01:41:20,013
Speaker 11: probably six months from when you start the process to

2014
01:41:20,053 --> 01:41:22,013
Speaker 11: when they actually leave the farms to go to the

2015
01:41:22,973 --> 01:41:25,053
Speaker 11: they talked about they go into that quint where we

2016
01:41:25,213 --> 01:41:28,412
Speaker 11: taught a quarantine where they sort of weeks they got

2017
01:41:28,532 --> 01:41:30,492
Speaker 11: quarantine before they went on the boat for a few

2018
01:41:30,532 --> 01:41:32,692
Speaker 11: weeks and then when that adjusted there, you know they

2019
01:41:32,812 --> 01:41:34,133
Speaker 11: need to what they are going to be said on

2020
01:41:34,213 --> 01:41:39,093
Speaker 11: the boat, and then yeah, kind of get trucked away

2021
01:41:39,133 --> 01:41:41,213
Speaker 11: to that and that was sort of the last store

2022
01:41:41,293 --> 01:41:45,812
Speaker 11: of them really. So yeah, So to be honest, there

2023
01:41:45,853 --> 01:41:48,973
Speaker 11: were three companies doing two of them were absolute night

2024
01:41:49,093 --> 01:41:52,732
Speaker 11: there to deal with. So even if they did bring

2025
01:41:52,772 --> 01:41:57,013
Speaker 11: in the exports, I don't think that I'm being to

2026
01:41:57,093 --> 01:41:58,293
Speaker 11: get back into it anyway.

2027
01:41:58,612 --> 01:42:00,532
Speaker 2: Why were they horrendous to deal with Scott? Was it

2028
01:42:00,612 --> 01:42:01,412
Speaker 2: just how much the lover?

2029
01:42:02,412 --> 01:42:02,572
Speaker 23: Well?

2030
01:42:02,652 --> 01:42:05,173
Speaker 11: Yeah, because no other place can you buy an animal

2031
01:42:05,253 --> 01:42:07,892
Speaker 11: six months in advance but not paide or two weeks

2032
01:42:07,933 --> 01:42:09,812
Speaker 11: after you get it, and you've still got the right

2033
01:42:09,933 --> 01:42:10,572
Speaker 11: to reject it.

2034
01:42:10,692 --> 01:42:11,652
Speaker 2: Right up until the day.

2035
01:42:12,372 --> 01:42:15,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's frustrating, particularly, And did they do that? Quite

2036
01:42:15,772 --> 01:42:17,972
Speaker 3: often they come back to you and say that agreement

2037
01:42:18,053 --> 01:42:19,732
Speaker 3: we had we know one to I no longer want

2038
01:42:19,732 --> 01:42:21,572
Speaker 3: to follow through because we don't need that animal anymore.

2039
01:42:22,173 --> 01:42:24,692
Speaker 11: Well, not so much, but does lose this shopping dates?

2040
01:42:24,732 --> 01:42:27,173
Speaker 11: You know, folks get delayed and if you're doing feed

2041
01:42:27,253 --> 01:42:29,852
Speaker 11: budgets and all of a sudden you've both's been pushed

2042
01:42:29,893 --> 01:42:32,133
Speaker 11: out by two weeks or a month or sometimes that

2043
01:42:32,333 --> 01:42:35,652
Speaker 11: just lose the shopping space completely, you know, then all

2044
01:42:35,692 --> 01:42:37,492
Speaker 11: of a sudden you haven't sold it to someone else

2045
01:42:37,532 --> 01:42:38,213
Speaker 11: and you're stuck with it.

2046
01:42:38,333 --> 01:42:39,372
Speaker 14: It's sort of it was.

2047
01:42:39,853 --> 01:42:42,652
Speaker 11: It was definitely you got paid more for it yearfully

2048
01:42:42,933 --> 01:42:45,293
Speaker 11: fifty percent more than what you would have got locally.

2049
01:42:45,452 --> 01:42:50,532
Speaker 11: But it was diffinitely you may give a inch your money. Yeah.

2050
01:42:50,692 --> 01:42:53,892
Speaker 11: One other tho I saw that day too, was New

2051
01:42:53,973 --> 01:42:58,213
Speaker 11: Zealand exported animals from me. So the people who talk about,

2052
01:42:58,253 --> 01:43:01,492
Speaker 11: you know, dropping kilos while they're away, why would they

2053
01:43:01,612 --> 01:43:03,732
Speaker 11: pay for that when they're not getting it. They were

2054
01:43:03,812 --> 01:43:06,693
Speaker 11: only even breeding animals that you're dealing and exported. Australia

2055
01:43:06,812 --> 01:43:12,412
Speaker 11: does export life to the our emirates, to the country

2056
01:43:12,973 --> 01:43:16,093
Speaker 11: or halal mate. But we times, I know we never did.

2057
01:43:16,133 --> 01:43:17,253
Speaker 11: We cerainly never did cattle.

2058
01:43:17,492 --> 01:43:20,372
Speaker 3: Yeah, Scott, great to hear from you, Thank you very much.

2059
01:43:20,772 --> 01:43:22,133
Speaker 3: So what do you say, oh one hundred and eighty

2060
01:43:22,173 --> 01:43:25,573
Speaker 3: ten eighty are you like Scott? Did you previously export

2061
01:43:25,692 --> 01:43:29,532
Speaker 3: some cattle and perhaps it was too much plava? And

2062
01:43:29,893 --> 01:43:31,893
Speaker 3: to you know, get an agreement six months out and

2063
01:43:31,933 --> 01:43:34,253
Speaker 3: you don't get the money until two weeks before go time.

2064
01:43:34,333 --> 01:43:37,532
Speaker 2: And there's dates and times and ships that change. Was

2065
01:43:37,572 --> 01:43:38,492
Speaker 2: it too much hassle?

2066
01:43:39,013 --> 01:43:41,572
Speaker 3: Really keen to get your views on this. Nine two

2067
01:43:41,652 --> 01:43:44,532
Speaker 3: ninety two is the text number. It is eighteen two four.

2068
01:43:46,772 --> 01:43:49,173
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

2069
01:43:49,253 --> 01:43:53,133
Speaker 1: along the way, Matt and Taylor Afternoons with Skoda. Please

2070
01:43:53,253 --> 01:43:55,892
Speaker 1: go to codes every day at Skoda dot co dot

2071
01:43:56,013 --> 01:43:57,732
Speaker 1: In said news Talk sa'd.

2072
01:43:57,572 --> 01:44:00,933
Speaker 3: Be sixteen to four Mandy, you think it's horrendous to

2073
01:44:00,973 --> 01:44:02,812
Speaker 3: put animals through these conditions.

2074
01:44:04,532 --> 01:44:08,772
Speaker 27: Absolutely. I just think when I was young, all the

2075
01:44:08,853 --> 01:44:11,772
Speaker 27: animals were called at local freezing works. They didn't have

2076
01:44:11,893 --> 01:44:14,412
Speaker 27: to travel long distances. They didn't have to sit in

2077
01:44:14,532 --> 01:44:18,213
Speaker 27: yards for long periods of time, which is stressful. They

2078
01:44:18,253 --> 01:44:20,293
Speaker 27: should be out in the paddocks and called as close

2079
01:44:20,372 --> 01:44:23,093
Speaker 27: to home as possible. Then you've got tender meat and

2080
01:44:23,213 --> 01:44:25,253
Speaker 27: happy animals who didn't have to suffer.

2081
01:44:26,372 --> 01:44:28,652
Speaker 3: So the you know, and look, I know it sounds

2082
01:44:28,692 --> 01:44:31,652
Speaker 3: maybe a bit callous talking about the economic benefits, but

2083
01:44:31,732 --> 01:44:34,972
Speaker 3: it is a reality, right that a farmers traditionally could

2084
01:44:35,133 --> 01:44:38,452
Speaker 3: sell cattle and other animals for a higher price as

2085
01:44:38,532 --> 01:44:42,293
Speaker 3: long as those welfare conditions were were met. Does that

2086
01:44:42,412 --> 01:44:44,213
Speaker 3: come into it or do you think money shouldn't be

2087
01:44:44,372 --> 01:44:45,852
Speaker 3: part of the equations on a boat.

2088
01:44:46,173 --> 01:44:48,532
Speaker 7: I don't think there are good wealthare conditions on the boat.

2089
01:44:48,612 --> 01:44:53,492
Speaker 28: It's a stressful, totally unnatural situation, and there's too many

2090
01:44:53,572 --> 01:44:56,293
Speaker 28: risk fact there's the bad weather and having to turn

2091
01:44:56,372 --> 01:45:00,972
Speaker 28: around or the animals are cramped, and they're a really

2092
01:45:01,173 --> 01:45:03,772
Speaker 28: unnatural situation. I don't think any animals should have to

2093
01:45:04,213 --> 01:45:06,852
Speaker 28: go through that at all, And economically, We've got the

2094
01:45:06,933 --> 01:45:10,092
Speaker 28: best meat from the They don't need to kill.

2095
01:45:09,973 --> 01:45:10,772
Speaker 7: It at a distance.

2096
01:45:10,812 --> 01:45:12,612
Speaker 27: It can be killed in New Zealand and sent.

2097
01:45:12,772 --> 01:45:14,652
Speaker 7: As lovely, beautiful New Zealand meat.

2098
01:45:15,293 --> 01:45:17,253
Speaker 27: Do you think it don't like that We've got other

2099
01:45:17,372 --> 01:45:18,972
Speaker 27: markets that's want our meat.

2100
01:45:19,253 --> 01:45:22,532
Speaker 3: Yeah's very true. Yep, it's in high demand, that's for sure.

2101
01:45:22,572 --> 01:45:25,133
Speaker 3: Do you think it impacts brand New Zealand that we

2102
01:45:25,253 --> 01:45:29,692
Speaker 3: do take these things very seriously animal welfare and ethics.

2103
01:45:29,772 --> 01:45:32,692
Speaker 3: Do you think that impacts us when we had live

2104
01:45:32,732 --> 01:45:33,532
Speaker 3: animal exports?

2105
01:45:34,173 --> 01:45:35,852
Speaker 7: Yeah, I do it. I think it's a terrible thing

2106
01:45:35,893 --> 01:45:38,572
Speaker 7: to do. Like the g plush at the moment is.

2107
01:45:38,612 --> 01:45:42,812
Speaker 28: Not about clean, green New Zealand. It's a horrible It's

2108
01:45:42,853 --> 01:45:45,412
Speaker 28: another fact. That's another thing that we should be looking at.

2109
01:45:45,492 --> 01:45:47,772
Speaker 28: That is not what New Zealand was about. We were

2110
01:45:47,893 --> 01:45:52,172
Speaker 28: fleeing with green forty animals from lovely grass read pastures

2111
01:45:52,213 --> 01:45:54,772
Speaker 28: and the clean country. Well just stuff from the other

2112
01:45:54,853 --> 01:45:59,213
Speaker 28: country who are already going ge and whose animals are

2113
01:45:59,253 --> 01:46:02,733
Speaker 28: fed in yards and they're own dirt and they're unfolding.

2114
01:46:03,372 --> 01:46:05,652
Speaker 2: Man, you really good to get your thoughts. Thank you

2115
01:46:05,893 --> 01:46:08,253
Speaker 2: very much. Passionate Eric, you'd agree with that, would you.

2116
01:46:10,333 --> 01:46:13,492
Speaker 29: Yeah, they would actually yeah, yeah, yeah, I just don't.

2117
01:46:13,532 --> 01:46:16,892
Speaker 29: I just you know, I just for me, I don't.

2118
01:46:17,812 --> 01:46:21,052
Speaker 29: I don't like the idea of them being exported because

2119
01:46:21,412 --> 01:46:25,012
Speaker 29: mainly also to the countries where they where they getting exported,

2120
01:46:25,133 --> 01:46:27,173
Speaker 29: you know, the way they may live over there or there,

2121
01:46:27,772 --> 01:46:30,053
Speaker 29: or the the way they treat their animals. We lose

2122
01:46:30,093 --> 01:46:35,732
Speaker 29: control of all that, the animal rights and stuff. Yeah,

2123
01:46:35,812 --> 01:46:39,013
Speaker 29: so for me and the same things like, well, if

2124
01:46:39,053 --> 01:46:41,932
Speaker 29: it's such a big deal, then they are wanting our

2125
01:46:41,973 --> 01:46:45,093
Speaker 29: animals to process in the correct way, then why don't

2126
01:46:45,133 --> 01:46:48,933
Speaker 29: we use that there's a bargaining ship and set up

2127
01:46:49,013 --> 01:46:51,133
Speaker 29: set up the whole thing over here and process it

2128
01:46:51,253 --> 01:46:55,372
Speaker 29: here with using using you know some Muslim people that want.

2129
01:46:55,293 --> 01:46:56,652
Speaker 19: The the.

2130
01:46:58,133 --> 01:47:00,852
Speaker 2: Oh we just lost you there. There's a bugger. But

2131
01:47:00,973 --> 01:47:02,092
Speaker 2: you're making some good points.

2132
01:47:02,093 --> 01:47:05,253
Speaker 3: I mean, I think I'd just say on the halal

2133
01:47:05,333 --> 01:47:08,293
Speaker 3: side of things, absolutely we could, but I would assure

2134
01:47:08,572 --> 01:47:11,692
Speaker 3: it's all about quality control on the Middle Eastern side

2135
01:47:11,772 --> 01:47:15,253
Speaker 3: of things, that they want to control that aspect to

2136
01:47:15,412 --> 01:47:16,412
Speaker 3: know that they can trust it.

2137
01:47:16,492 --> 01:47:18,732
Speaker 2: But it's a fair point. Eric, Sorry, we lost you there.

2138
01:47:19,532 --> 01:47:21,012
Speaker 2: Richard's how are you this afternoon?

2139
01:47:22,173 --> 01:47:22,372
Speaker 19: Yeah?

2140
01:47:22,412 --> 01:47:22,612
Speaker 29: Great?

2141
01:47:22,652 --> 01:47:23,173
Speaker 8: Thanks, Tyler.

2142
01:47:23,572 --> 01:47:25,612
Speaker 2: So you reckon that there's probably a bit too much

2143
01:47:25,652 --> 01:47:26,652
Speaker 2: emotion in the subject.

2144
01:47:28,093 --> 01:47:30,652
Speaker 15: Look, there is, it's an incredibly emode of subject, you know,

2145
01:47:30,732 --> 01:47:32,372
Speaker 15: a little bit like ging, as the one of the

2146
01:47:32,412 --> 01:47:36,052
Speaker 15: previous callers said. You know, but that's you know, largely

2147
01:47:36,133 --> 01:47:38,412
Speaker 15: based on assumptions, you know, without a huge understanding of

2148
01:47:38,412 --> 01:47:41,013
Speaker 15: the actual reality. So look, I'm a dairy farmer. I

2149
01:47:41,133 --> 01:47:43,772
Speaker 15: have exported cattle in the past, and you know, I'm

2150
01:47:43,772 --> 01:47:46,133
Speaker 15: really I would export them into the future if it

2151
01:47:46,253 --> 01:47:48,452
Speaker 15: was about again, you know, provided that we can actually

2152
01:47:48,532 --> 01:47:50,732
Speaker 15: ensure the welfare of the animals on the boat and

2153
01:47:50,853 --> 01:47:55,692
Speaker 15: at their destination country and can we Well that's that's

2154
01:47:55,732 --> 01:47:57,372
Speaker 15: a big thing, you know. Obviously there's a focus on

2155
01:47:57,412 --> 01:47:59,692
Speaker 15: continuous improvement there. There's always room to make it better.

2156
01:48:00,013 --> 01:48:02,692
Speaker 15: I think a lot of the research into it has

2157
01:48:02,692 --> 01:48:05,893
Speaker 15: shown that there are some voyages where you know, some

2158
01:48:05,973 --> 01:48:08,253
Speaker 15: of the previous carpers have said, we're effectively there a

2159
01:48:08,532 --> 01:48:10,732
Speaker 15: little to know animal welfare issues will certainly no more

2160
01:48:10,772 --> 01:48:12,532
Speaker 15: than you'd expect on a.

2161
01:48:12,572 --> 01:48:14,812
Speaker 8: Farm, you know, on shore.

2162
01:48:15,253 --> 01:48:17,053
Speaker 15: And then there's the odd voyage that hasn't got quite

2163
01:48:17,093 --> 01:48:19,293
Speaker 15: gone as well, and so it's always a matter of saying, okay,

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Speaker 15: well what are the contributing factors here, and what can

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Speaker 15: we do to create regulation to ensure that we are

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Speaker 15: more than likely to have good outcomes on every single

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Speaker 15: vessel in that respect. You know, if you look at

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Speaker 15: the golf live's not really probably the worst example of

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Speaker 15: a bad animal welfare situation and obviously human welfare in

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Speaker 15: that respect. You know that sank. Love to know exactly

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Speaker 15: why that's happened, Like I know people who have been

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Speaker 15: on boats that have with cattle that have actually sat

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Speaker 15: dead in the water while a typhoon passed in front

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Speaker 15: of them, right, So what caused that ship to decide

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Speaker 15: to go through a typhoon with a dodgy motor and

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Speaker 15: then ultimately sink. You know, even if it hadn't sunk,

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Speaker 15: that would have been an animal welfare issue because it

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Speaker 15: wouldn't have been a very pleasant experience for those catal

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Speaker 15: or obviously the people going through. There's a lot of

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Speaker 15: talk about the design of the ships, the exactly how

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Speaker 15: they look at, how they saw their feed, and how

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Speaker 15: you can know how far through your feed you are,

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Speaker 15: and whether or not that ship was potentially in a

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Speaker 15: situation where it was worried about running out of feed.

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Speaker 15: If it stopped and waited for the typhoon to go past.

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Speaker 15: So there are all those sorts of things that need

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Speaker 15: to be actually looked at by the government to work

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Speaker 15: out what are the contributing factors to bad animal welfare

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Speaker 15: outcomes and how can we correct things to make it better.

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Speaker 15: There's been a little bit said about the ship design

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Speaker 15: in general by some of your cares. Certainly there are

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Speaker 15: purpose built livestock carriers, but then others are usually converted

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Speaker 15: car transporters, and so the infrastructure in them is a

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Speaker 15: little bit less purpose built obviously, and it's a bit

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Speaker 15: sort of cobbled together, and so as a result, things

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Speaker 15: don't function quite as well and you can have worse

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Speaker 15: outcomes from that. So there's a lot of work that

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Speaker 15: could be done to actually achieve better outcomes in that respect.

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Speaker 3: So this decision by the government, and they see KEMNET

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Speaker 3: couldn't find a way to satisfy its own coalition agreement

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Speaker 3: and guarantee what it described as gold standard. I mean,

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Speaker 3: is that a bit of a get out of jail

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Speaker 3: free card situation here, that there is an ability to

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Speaker 3: get to that gold standard. But for whatever reason they've

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Speaker 3: decided it's not politically palatable to try and push that

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Speaker 3: through the Sturm.

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Speaker 19: Well, like with all.

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Speaker 15: Government policy, the easiest things to ban something, right, you know,

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Speaker 15: what takes a little bit of work is to find

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Speaker 15: a way to allow something to happen while managing any

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Speaker 15: negative or potential negative outcomes. It applies to everything, and

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Speaker 15: so you know, realistically it will take a little bit

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Speaker 15: more work potentially, and it also takes probably people understanding

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Speaker 15: the issues a little bit more rather than just being

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Speaker 15: driven on assumptions that you know, versus reality. And you know,

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Speaker 15: to talk about one of your previous cause who spent

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Speaker 15: a long time talking about sheep getting killed, you know,

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Speaker 15: going over to southeast or so to sat Araba to

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Speaker 15: get killed. You know, we've banned that back in the

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Speaker 15: late nineties. You know, philosophically, it's a ridiculous idea to

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Speaker 15: something to have something to take a very long trip

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Speaker 15: to die when it could actually obviously be processed here

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Speaker 15: and then go on a refrigerated container. You know, we

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Speaker 15: haven't done that forrag as yet. Whenever there's a discussion

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Speaker 15: about why they're export that's what comes up in the media,

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Speaker 15: right you know, where it's just not the case at all.

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Speaker 15: Here we're we are exporting young cattle that have a

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Speaker 15: potential to live longer and fuller life in another country

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Speaker 15: than they would in New Zealand. You know the cattle

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Speaker 15: that don't get exported off out of New Zealand when

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Speaker 15: we have surpler stock effectively just go to the works instead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Richard, thank you very much. Great call. Got to

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Speaker 2: take a break back very shortly.

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Speaker 1: It is eight to four the big stories, the big issues,

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Speaker 1: the big trends and everything in between. Matt Heath and

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Speaker 1: Tyler Adams afternoons used doorgs.

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Speaker 3: B U storks there b it is five to four.

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Speaker 3: Couple of texts to wrap this all up. Get a Tyler.

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Speaker 3: We have sold livestock overseas export and we got huge

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Speaker 3: premiums for dairy replacement stock that we considered our bottom

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Speaker 3: end lines. We only sold to well known export is

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Speaker 3: not the cowboys, this one.

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Speaker 2: Get a guys.

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Speaker 3: If we don't export and make money, somebody else will

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Speaker 3: export them and make new selling rich that's from Nico

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Speaker 3: and this one was involved in live animill export. Because

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Speaker 3: China doesn't have a pastoral based system, it's cheaper for

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01:52:20,973 --> 01:52:22,973
Speaker 3: them to buy milk off us. They want to be

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Speaker 3: a little self sufficient, but ultimately they will continue to

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Speaker 3: get products off us because we can do it cheaper.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for all your texts and calls

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Speaker 3: on that one. That is us for another Wednesday after noon.

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Speaker 3: Heather is up next, and once again it is a

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01:52:38,973 --> 01:52:41,652
Speaker 3: doozy of a show. After five o'clock. She's going to

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Speaker 3: have Public Service Commissioner Sir Bryan Roach on the show

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Speaker 3: on why he's offering non union primary teachers the same

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Speaker 3: pay rays offered to the unions. That is going to

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Speaker 3: be a must listen. But thank you very much for

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Speaker 3: your company today. We'll do it all again tomorrow. We

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Speaker 3: will be live from a tote on US so looking

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Speaker 3: forward to that. Matt will be back but going out

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Speaker 3: to the news six months in a leaky boat, you

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Speaker 3: know why I've chosen it, but also.

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Speaker 2: Split ends doing a tour around the country. How good.

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Speaker 3: You have a good afternoon and evening, and we'll see

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Speaker 3: you Beck here tomorrow afternoon

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