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Speaker 1: Not everyone's thrilled. So what are the risks here of

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Speaker 1: the New Zealand Institute of Building Serve as President Dave

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Speaker 1: clifton'she us David morning.

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Speaker 2: Good boy, Mike having it on.

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Speaker 1: In nowheries at all? Are you up against it in

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Speaker 1: the sense that everyone's just going to go, thank God

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Speaker 1: for the some sick of paperwork, let's get on with it,

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Speaker 1: and you're going to you've got a feeling tough old

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Speaker 1: road a ho here in terms of red flags.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a case of we've got the devil's

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Speaker 2: in the detail and the oversimplification that's come out might

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Speaker 2: be the issue. I mean, we've got to look at

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Speaker 2: the key issues here is that you know this talk

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Speaker 2: of the consent being very expensive and time consuming, and

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Speaker 2: they can be, but they also provide the consumer protection

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Speaker 2: that we need in the industry and in the construction sector.

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Speaker 2: And they provide the trust levels that consumers need that

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Speaker 2: things have been done properly. And I think when you

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Speaker 2: look at there are lots of really really good builders

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Speaker 2: out there and there some that aren't so good. And

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Speaker 2: I think we still have an issue of a high

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Speaker 2: failure rate of inspections within the industry, and we do

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Speaker 2: need to make sure that our education processes for builders

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Speaker 2: and consultants is up to scratch and that our sort

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Speaker 2: of continued professional development is there as well. I think

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Speaker 2: those are really important factors that need need to be

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Speaker 2: worked on first before we start doing self certification. I

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Speaker 2: think it's something that we can work towards, but I

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Speaker 2: think it's something that we've got to work towards, not

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Speaker 2: just start doing. I think also as mention of the

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Speaker 2: professional indemnity insurance, as far as we're aware, that's not

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Speaker 2: really a professional indemnity insurance market for this in New Zealand, well,

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Speaker 2: it will be creative potentially, but it's at the moment

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Speaker 2: it's it's not there, and it takes a lot to

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Speaker 2: trade a new market in this of space. Professional indemnity

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Speaker 2: insurance like we hold as redative building surveyors is as

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Speaker 2: a high threshold, high cost element and backed by international

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Speaker 2: markets and the like. A large scale design and build

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Speaker 2: contracts have them, and they're they're expensive policies.

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Speaker 1: A sparky they self sertify.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, but when you look at the failure

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Speaker 2: rates that we see from those in that in that

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Speaker 2: sector specifically, Sparky in my life. No, but the failure

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Speaker 2: rates for those those people is incredibly low. So Sparky's

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Speaker 2: failure rates on inspections and those things, it's very very low,

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Speaker 2: whereas in general construction and we still have very high

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Speaker 2: rates of failure of inspections. And that is the key

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Speaker 2: for fundamental here. We have to make sure that we're

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Speaker 2: getting it right first before we can go off and

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Speaker 2: do it by ours Would you.

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Speaker 1: Be convinced once we actually see the legislation what's going

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Speaker 1: to get passed by way of law, could you be

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Speaker 1: convinced that they're onto it, they know what they're doing,

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Speaker 1: and we could actually be improving things or not.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think. Look, it's all defining the detail here,

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Speaker 2: and it's all about just getting our baselines and our

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Speaker 2: foundations right, education, getting our inspection processes right, getting our

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Speaker 2: build processes right. If those things are created in the

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Speaker 2: right space, in the right way, and built on then

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Speaker 2: these things can happen. And you know, they'll still need

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Speaker 2: to be random inspections and audits and checks to make

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Speaker 2: sure that everybody is still playing by the same rules

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Speaker 2: and there aren't Cordner's cut and we don't end up

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Speaker 2: where we were twenty years ago exactly.

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Speaker 1: David, appreciate it very much. David Clifton, New Zealand Institute

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Speaker 1: of Building Survey as fourteen minutes past seven. Just quickly,

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Speaker 1: while I'm on housing, the rental prices for the month

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Speaker 1: route we've hit an eight month low median price around

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Speaker 1: the country six thirty. It's down ten bucks are one

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Speaker 1: point six percent. Biggest decreases Marlborough down thirty bucks, Canterbury

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Speaker 1: down twenty five, Hawk's Bay down to six hundred, ten

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Speaker 1: Bucks down to six hundred and forty. Places that have

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Speaker 1: gone up Northland, Nelson, Tasman, Southland. But mind you and

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Speaker 1: south And you're still only paying an average of four

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Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five dollars a week, so it's not

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