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Speaker 1: Having a free society where everyone's equal before the law,

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Speaker 1: where you can get a resource of consent to build

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Speaker 1: a home for someone or start a business that is prosperity,

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Speaker 1: that is good for all people.

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Speaker 2: It perpetuates racism, white supremist views and inequities that colonization

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Speaker 2: has entrenched.

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Speaker 3: We have seen polls showing increased social discontent.

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Speaker 2: It is doing harm.

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Speaker 3: Parliament can legislate to provide that the earth is flat

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Speaker 3: and so on. It doesn't make it flat. It is

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Speaker 3: arguably beyond the competence of Parliament's start interfering with the

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Speaker 3: Treaty which was signed between the Crown and Mari in

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Speaker 3: eighteen forty.

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Speaker 2: Co governance in central and local governments or privileged access

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Speaker 2: to power through consultation obligations are said to be justified

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Speaker 2: by the Treaty.

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Speaker 3: This violates the principle of equality.

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Speaker 1: Yes, submissions are finally underway for the much talked about

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Speaker 1: Treaty Principles Bill. It happened today three hundred thousand submitters

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Speaker 1: thirty four Today we're invited to present to the Justice

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Speaker 1: Selectivity in Person nobby group is upset that it was

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Speaker 1: not asked to speak on the first day and that

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Speaker 1: is Hobson's pledge. So Elliot Iquila from Hobson's pledge joins you, now,

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Speaker 1: hello Elliott Andrew, how I'm good? Why are you upset?

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Speaker 2: No, we're not saying we're calling it out. That's I

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Speaker 2: think something important in our democracy. We've got to be

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Speaker 2: able to call out these things, and especially if it

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Speaker 2: extends out from the House of Power. So we One

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Speaker 2: thing about us is that we had a swap with

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Speaker 2: an awesome group called Democracy Action and that was just

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Speaker 2: by happenstance, because we found out this morning that we

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Speaker 2: had not had a slot at all given to us

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Speaker 2: either today or on Thursday, which is extraordinary when you

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Speaker 2: think we were one hundred and forty thousand members strong.

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Speaker 2: We speak on all these issues all the time. We're

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Speaker 2: known as educators in it, and we've been throughout New

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Speaker 2: Zealand a lot speaking about this. So extraordinary to find

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Speaker 2: that out. And of course there was a little bit

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Speaker 2: of ruckus at the end of that when the chairperson

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Speaker 2: stated that that indeed was not the case. Well, we've

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Speaker 2: gone back and we found it that no was the case.

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Speaker 2: Just to be clear, we're not saying that he's lying,

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Speaker 2: but that system somewhere in that system.

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Speaker 1: It did not go through, just to be clear, because

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Speaker 1: we asked committee what was that about, and they said

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Speaker 1: that you were invited in the first emails it went

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Speaker 1: out to make a submission, but unfortunately you were not

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Speaker 1: able to respond by the deadline, so those slots were

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Speaker 1: filled up by the submitters who did. What do you

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Speaker 1: say to that?

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Speaker 2: I can say that we've got the records, we've got

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Speaker 2: the system, we've got our replies, and then we've got

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Speaker 2: our email that we sent out in there. We have

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Speaker 2: done everything we've got We've got them, we've got the

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Speaker 2: evidence of right way, we've got it. There's no way

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Speaker 2: that it could be denied simply because we've got the

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Speaker 2: records timestamped and everything.

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Speaker 1: Why would they do that though, I mean they are

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Speaker 1: a select committee where they are they held, they listened

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Speaker 1: to pro concerns, they listened to con concerns, they listened

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Speaker 1: to everybody. They've turned around and said you didn't make

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Speaker 1: it by deadline, and you say they don't.

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Speaker 2: Well, absolutely well, we've we've got the receipts. So whatever

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Speaker 2: you'll be hearing from over there is utterly inaccurate. It

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Speaker 2: is incorrect. We've got the receipts, and we were on

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Speaker 2: top of this, as you know we would be. So

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure what they're doing over there, or if

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Speaker 2: whether this was mischief or whether it was an honest

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Speaker 2: mistake from some staff member. We don't know. But what

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Speaker 2: we do know is that it was extraordinary that Hobson's

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Speaker 2: pledge of all the civil rights advocacy groups did not

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Speaker 2: get a speaking slot. So we are grateful to Democracy

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Speaker 2: Action and we're grateful for those supporting us.

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Speaker 1: Well, you were claiming, you were claiming, of course, that

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Speaker 1: you'd be muzzled. You've been claiming that you'd been censored

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Speaker 1: as well. But as you swap the spots with Democracy

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Speaker 1: Action New Zealand and then you got to talk in

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Speaker 1: front of the committee and so you talked to it,

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Speaker 1: they did not muzzle or stop you from talking at

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Speaker 1: this stage, after you've fulfilled it under under a thing

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Speaker 1: that is allowed under the laws. So that they're not

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Speaker 1: doing very well if they are actually censoring you.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't believe we ever mentioned the weird sense of

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Speaker 2: all muzzled, So somewhere along the line we have been

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Speaker 2: left out there. I think that's where some very big

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Speaker 2: questions need to be raised. What was the process, who

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Speaker 2: was involved in all of that?

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Speaker 1: All right, well that will out and you'll publish that,

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Speaker 1: and we'll find out who tells the truth. That is

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Speaker 1: an important thing to do. Meanwhile, you did have it,

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Speaker 1: you say, other people had this, we say today, So

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Speaker 1: what did you make of it? Do you feel that

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Speaker 1: the issue is actually being debated?

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Speaker 2: I think that, Well, we had a great time. We

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Speaker 2: put forward our positions very strongly in it. The politicians,

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Speaker 2: some of those politicians are spotted quite negatively towards it,

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Speaker 2: and that was a great part. I think that's that's

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Speaker 2: exactly how democracy is supposed to operate. So we did

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Speaker 2: have a great time. We only had ten minutes to speak,

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Speaker 2: so unfortunately we couldn't take too many questions on that.

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Speaker 2: In terms of it was interesting some of the responses

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Speaker 2: this is where I get quite a little bit irritated,

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Speaker 2: because there's a real strong sense that those who are

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Speaker 2: supporting it, they many not all, tend to float from

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Speaker 2: white guilt to a type of victimhood, and that does

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Speaker 2: not help our people or our nation at all. That

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Speaker 2: there's something that we need to get rid of. So

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Speaker 2: it's one of the things that we that we faced

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Speaker 2: up and confronted as well.

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Speaker 1: Kula from Hubson Spaces, thank you.

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