1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sat B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:15,173 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 3 00:00:15,333 --> 00:00:21,093 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. 4 00:00:21,293 --> 00:00:26,333 Speaker 2: Take another Patrick, It is out, the Test is over. 5 00:00:28,573 --> 00:00:30,773 Speaker 2: Couldn't smokes a beauty? 6 00:00:30,893 --> 00:00:32,893 Speaker 3: This is out and here he goes. 7 00:00:33,013 --> 00:00:34,053 Speaker 2: This delivery has in. 8 00:00:34,293 --> 00:00:35,613 Speaker 3: Many users to goold. 9 00:00:37,693 --> 00:00:41,053 Speaker 1: On the front foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Coney 10 00:00:41,413 --> 00:00:45,253 Speaker 1: powered by News Talks head b at iHeart Radio. 11 00:00:48,573 --> 00:00:51,053 Speaker 2: Hello on the front Poots. This week, what is the 12 00:00:51,133 --> 00:00:54,333 Speaker 2: future of Test cricket? Well, I went for our a 13 00:00:54,493 --> 00:00:57,693 Speaker 2: team in Bangladesh. Will be no more Test cricket for 14 00:00:57,813 --> 00:01:02,493 Speaker 2: Verrat Coley and another unusual outcome in short form cricket 15 00:01:03,493 --> 00:01:07,213 Speaker 2: and will us once again is Jerry Katy and Jerry. 16 00:01:07,213 --> 00:01:09,573 Speaker 2: I don't know whether you be watching the New Zealand 17 00:01:09,653 --> 00:01:12,973 Speaker 2: a great terror for them. Sometimes you wonder whether the 18 00:01:13,053 --> 00:01:16,973 Speaker 2: result is that important that the amount of cricket and 19 00:01:17,373 --> 00:01:19,933 Speaker 2: what they're getting out of it, rather than wins and losses. 20 00:01:20,453 --> 00:01:23,093 Speaker 2: That is the way I seem to think about it, anyway. 21 00:01:23,093 --> 00:01:24,253 Speaker 3: I think, so what's high? 22 00:01:24,933 --> 00:01:29,253 Speaker 4: Look, it seems as though some of the batsmen are 23 00:01:29,373 --> 00:01:32,453 Speaker 4: obviously going a bit better than the others. It seems 24 00:01:32,493 --> 00:01:37,573 Speaker 4: like our bowlers have got their work cut out. They 25 00:01:37,653 --> 00:01:42,533 Speaker 4: obviously finished the one day series with a victory, which 26 00:01:42,573 --> 00:01:45,293 Speaker 4: should make them feel a lot better going into the 27 00:01:45,413 --> 00:01:49,093 Speaker 4: longer formats now. And they've already had a day, haven't 28 00:01:49,133 --> 00:01:51,893 Speaker 4: they they? I saw sort of two twenty for eight. 29 00:01:52,053 --> 00:01:54,813 Speaker 4: Is that about right? I didn't see any of it yesterday. 30 00:01:55,733 --> 00:01:58,573 Speaker 2: Yeah, the four day game played on the same venue, Selects, 31 00:01:58,853 --> 00:02:02,333 Speaker 2: which is sort of just south of Daka, getting a 32 00:02:02,373 --> 00:02:04,733 Speaker 2: little bit closer to the coast as well. But the 33 00:02:04,813 --> 00:02:08,093 Speaker 2: fact that they had that win was significant for them 34 00:02:08,493 --> 00:02:12,293 Speaker 2: changing the team around. I've given everybody a run. I 35 00:02:12,693 --> 00:02:16,373 Speaker 2: like the idea of Ashok and Lenox getting plenty of 36 00:02:16,453 --> 00:02:19,693 Speaker 2: bowling and getting work. It's Dean Foxcroft has come to 37 00:02:19,773 --> 00:02:24,413 Speaker 2: the forefront as a all rounder offspinner and somebody who's 38 00:02:24,453 --> 00:02:27,653 Speaker 2: providing good runs. We've thought of him as a sort 39 00:02:27,693 --> 00:02:29,493 Speaker 2: of a big hitter and a man who can score 40 00:02:29,493 --> 00:02:32,333 Speaker 2: at a fast pace. But you know, we may be 41 00:02:32,413 --> 00:02:34,613 Speaker 2: seeing the best part of his game because in the 42 00:02:35,053 --> 00:02:38,013 Speaker 2: first day of the four day he was one of 43 00:02:38,093 --> 00:02:40,373 Speaker 2: the saviors along with Mitch Hay. 44 00:02:41,173 --> 00:02:44,853 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's He's not runs every time he's batted, hasn't he? Foxcroft? 45 00:02:44,933 --> 00:02:48,293 Speaker 4: He's more I've so far thought of him as sort 46 00:02:48,293 --> 00:02:52,413 Speaker 4: of top top order almost three and four, hasn't he 47 00:02:52,933 --> 00:02:56,253 Speaker 4: where he's batted for Otago and for New Zealand A 48 00:02:56,413 --> 00:03:01,493 Speaker 4: in the past. Here they're using him presumably as an 49 00:03:01,533 --> 00:03:06,213 Speaker 4: all rounder more, batting down at sort of eight, and 50 00:03:07,373 --> 00:03:10,813 Speaker 4: it seems to be he, you know, working very well 51 00:03:10,893 --> 00:03:13,493 Speaker 4: and he's also picking up wickets with his off spinners 52 00:03:14,133 --> 00:03:16,453 Speaker 4: in the one day as anyway, so he's having a 53 00:03:16,493 --> 00:03:19,973 Speaker 4: good tour. Mitch Hay's got a couple of innings now 54 00:03:20,173 --> 00:03:23,333 Speaker 4: under his belt. We know what he's like as a 55 00:03:23,413 --> 00:03:27,533 Speaker 4: keeper as well. Some of the bowlers they have done 56 00:03:27,853 --> 00:03:30,973 Speaker 4: Lennox you mentioned. I think he's looked interesting as a 57 00:03:31,373 --> 00:03:35,013 Speaker 4: left arm orthodox and Addie Ashock. You always like to 58 00:03:35,093 --> 00:03:37,573 Speaker 4: have one legie, don't you if you can in your country, 59 00:03:38,133 --> 00:03:41,333 Speaker 4: to to sort of challenge things and do differently when 60 00:03:41,373 --> 00:03:45,573 Speaker 4: you need, perhaps those Asian tours. So's he's a fairly 61 00:03:45,653 --> 00:03:49,693 Speaker 4: important young man as well. So yeah, I think things 62 00:03:49,733 --> 00:03:51,773 Speaker 4: are you know, well, let's wait and see how this 63 00:03:51,893 --> 00:03:53,573 Speaker 4: one goes. They got put in on what on a 64 00:03:53,773 --> 00:03:57,093 Speaker 4: on a rainy kind of day? Was it because it's 65 00:03:57,173 --> 00:04:01,013 Speaker 4: coming near, it's coming near, you know, the monsoons isn't 66 00:04:01,053 --> 00:04:01,973 Speaker 4: it really over there? 67 00:04:02,853 --> 00:04:05,813 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was difficult conditions, but you know that's 68 00:04:05,893 --> 00:04:07,813 Speaker 2: the important part of these tours, that they are being 69 00:04:07,853 --> 00:04:10,293 Speaker 2: forced to work a little bit harder, and you know 70 00:04:10,413 --> 00:04:13,613 Speaker 2: that's I think it's great and we'll get a chance 71 00:04:13,653 --> 00:04:16,973 Speaker 2: at some stage. It's difficult to get through and have 72 00:04:17,093 --> 00:04:20,293 Speaker 2: a conversation with Paul Wiseman about how they're going, but 73 00:04:21,133 --> 00:04:23,733 Speaker 2: certainly these are the players we've got to watch. I 74 00:04:23,773 --> 00:04:25,333 Speaker 2: don't know if you had a chance to have a 75 00:04:25,413 --> 00:04:27,453 Speaker 2: look at it. I know you've been resting up and 76 00:04:27,693 --> 00:04:31,653 Speaker 2: looking after your body for a long winter. Stince, Jerry, 77 00:04:31,933 --> 00:04:37,613 Speaker 2: did you see Did you see the five penalty runs 78 00:04:37,933 --> 00:04:43,573 Speaker 2: in that third salt? You must have seen it. 79 00:04:44,333 --> 00:04:46,013 Speaker 3: I did once. I did see it. 80 00:04:47,013 --> 00:04:50,893 Speaker 4: Very very unusual position for a keeper to take up 81 00:04:51,733 --> 00:04:54,813 Speaker 4: looking for it, because there was also a slip there 82 00:04:55,013 --> 00:04:55,493 Speaker 4: wasn't there. 83 00:04:56,053 --> 00:04:57,813 Speaker 3: Yes, Well, the keeper. 84 00:04:58,253 --> 00:04:59,533 Speaker 2: Who was standing at first slip. 85 00:05:00,693 --> 00:05:02,093 Speaker 3: It's just extraordinary. 86 00:05:02,173 --> 00:05:06,293 Speaker 4: The keeper left his post and went over to a 87 00:05:06,453 --> 00:05:10,293 Speaker 4: first slip position and there was also a slip beside 88 00:05:10,373 --> 00:05:12,613 Speaker 4: him as well as a second slip if you like. Yeah, 89 00:05:13,013 --> 00:05:16,213 Speaker 4: and so lying on the ground, well, he forgot to 90 00:05:16,293 --> 00:05:21,533 Speaker 4: take the helmet with him, didn't he yeah, not normally, 91 00:05:21,973 --> 00:05:26,213 Speaker 4: I suppose. And of course I wasnt Mario batting or 92 00:05:26,253 --> 00:05:28,653 Speaker 4: someone like that, wasn't it who just let the ball go? 93 00:05:29,733 --> 00:05:33,893 Speaker 4: Yeah and yeah, and through she went, took the helmet 94 00:05:33,973 --> 00:05:37,413 Speaker 4: that but bounced and away it went. So five runs, 95 00:05:37,613 --> 00:05:41,493 Speaker 4: dead ball, And okay, it's quite weird. 96 00:05:41,293 --> 00:05:43,893 Speaker 3: The whole thing. Obviously the keeper forgot to take it, 97 00:05:44,893 --> 00:05:45,573 Speaker 3: take it with him. 98 00:05:46,453 --> 00:05:49,173 Speaker 2: There wasn't only so much that he forgot to take 99 00:05:49,213 --> 00:05:51,173 Speaker 2: it with him. He didn't even make an effort to 100 00:05:51,333 --> 00:05:53,453 Speaker 2: dive and stop. He just stood there. It was like 101 00:05:53,573 --> 00:05:55,893 Speaker 2: those social games we used to play with a wicket keeper, 102 00:05:56,053 --> 00:05:58,813 Speaker 2: unless the ball came directly to him, you know, it 103 00:05:58,973 --> 00:06:00,773 Speaker 2: was waved on the way down of the boundary as 104 00:06:00,813 --> 00:06:01,413 Speaker 2: it went past. 105 00:06:02,613 --> 00:06:06,733 Speaker 3: Yeah, yours, Well, there is a bit of that. 106 00:06:07,253 --> 00:06:10,293 Speaker 4: I've heard Parkerd tell the story when he was standing 107 00:06:10,373 --> 00:06:13,093 Speaker 4: at slip one stage and it just got a wee 108 00:06:13,133 --> 00:06:15,293 Speaker 4: bit wide for the keeper and he didn't come across. 109 00:06:15,333 --> 00:06:19,933 Speaker 4: And he did he cried out yours quite early, and 110 00:06:20,293 --> 00:06:20,853 Speaker 4: Parks has. 111 00:06:20,813 --> 00:06:21,653 Speaker 3: Let it go, I think. 112 00:06:22,893 --> 00:06:26,373 Speaker 4: But it's an interesting one because where else would you 113 00:06:26,533 --> 00:06:31,653 Speaker 4: put the helmet? I thought to myself, you could leave 114 00:06:31,733 --> 00:06:37,973 Speaker 4: it immediately behind the stumps, But then there might be 115 00:06:38,053 --> 00:06:41,253 Speaker 4: a trouble, mightn't there with the keeper safe for a 116 00:06:41,333 --> 00:06:45,493 Speaker 4: runout running up to the stumps or moving around the 117 00:06:45,573 --> 00:06:49,573 Speaker 4: stumps to collect the throw, that might disturb the helmet 118 00:06:49,653 --> 00:06:53,173 Speaker 4: and then the bales. Or you could leave it maybe 119 00:06:53,373 --> 00:06:58,093 Speaker 4: behind the umpire. You want to have it fairly close 120 00:06:58,253 --> 00:07:01,693 Speaker 4: because it's for a close in fielder, isn't it really. 121 00:07:02,333 --> 00:07:03,973 Speaker 4: I mean you can put it anywhere you like on 122 00:07:04,053 --> 00:07:04,493 Speaker 4: the ground. 123 00:07:05,413 --> 00:07:07,573 Speaker 2: Could be the keeper's helmet as well. Sometimes they have 124 00:07:07,693 --> 00:07:09,053 Speaker 2: them and take them off too, don't they. 125 00:07:09,333 --> 00:07:14,093 Speaker 4: They do, they do, And when a spinner is operating, 126 00:07:14,173 --> 00:07:16,413 Speaker 4: of course they usually got a helmet on, haven't they. 127 00:07:16,613 --> 00:07:21,013 Speaker 4: And sometimes if there's no close in fielder it's close 128 00:07:21,093 --> 00:07:25,493 Speaker 4: in catcher, they don't have a helmet there for the 129 00:07:25,533 --> 00:07:29,013 Speaker 4: field as they run it on. Yeah, it's an interesting one, 130 00:07:29,053 --> 00:07:31,533 Speaker 4: I suppose with the umpire again, it's the same thing 131 00:07:31,613 --> 00:07:35,613 Speaker 4: of him moving out of the way once runners taken 132 00:07:35,693 --> 00:07:36,053 Speaker 4: as well. 133 00:07:36,493 --> 00:07:38,893 Speaker 3: It's a bit of an issue. So I think it's 134 00:07:38,973 --> 00:07:40,733 Speaker 3: probably in the best position. 135 00:07:42,093 --> 00:07:44,933 Speaker 4: Behind the behind the keeper because that's where he's supposed 136 00:07:44,973 --> 00:07:45,773 Speaker 4: to be stationed. 137 00:07:46,933 --> 00:07:50,613 Speaker 3: And strange part of it until he moves to first slip. 138 00:07:50,893 --> 00:07:54,573 Speaker 3: It looked weird. Didn't it look absolutely weird. 139 00:07:55,413 --> 00:07:58,013 Speaker 2: I can remember a game that I played in many 140 00:07:58,093 --> 00:08:01,533 Speaker 2: many years ago when a part time keeper or sorry, 141 00:08:01,573 --> 00:08:04,893 Speaker 2: a part time stopper was playing for the Wellington Wanderers, 142 00:08:05,133 --> 00:08:07,293 Speaker 2: and the Wanderers just happened to have a fellow called 143 00:08:07,973 --> 00:08:11,013 Speaker 2: Archie Taylor in his younger year, so you know how 144 00:08:11,053 --> 00:08:15,533 Speaker 2: far back we're going, and another guy called Jason J. 145 00:08:15,773 --> 00:08:21,133 Speaker 2: Parson John Parsons from John. Yeah, they were the quickest 146 00:08:21,373 --> 00:08:25,213 Speaker 2: around the Wellington region at the time. And the guy, 147 00:08:25,253 --> 00:08:27,093 Speaker 2: I won't mention his name when to put the gloves 148 00:08:27,133 --> 00:08:31,133 Speaker 2: on even though they had another couple of wicket teams 149 00:08:31,133 --> 00:08:33,333 Speaker 2: in this a guy called alis To Botting who was 150 00:08:33,373 --> 00:08:35,893 Speaker 2: a good, wicked killer and I wouldn't be surprised that 151 00:08:35,973 --> 00:08:39,173 Speaker 2: TG was there. But this fellow put the gloves on 152 00:08:39,213 --> 00:08:40,333 Speaker 2: it because he was going to be the key. It 153 00:08:40,373 --> 00:08:42,413 Speaker 2: didn't want to go running around the outfield, and he 154 00:08:42,453 --> 00:08:45,493 Speaker 2: stood up to the stumps to Archie Taylor and Archie 155 00:08:45,653 --> 00:08:47,533 Speaker 2: to stop. Halfway through his rap, he said, do you 156 00:08:47,613 --> 00:08:51,893 Speaker 2: know I bowled quite quick? And the keeper said, yeah, 157 00:08:52,013 --> 00:08:54,333 Speaker 2: I'll be right, I'll be able to cope, And of 158 00:08:54,373 --> 00:08:56,453 Speaker 2: course the first one went swinging down the leg side 159 00:08:56,653 --> 00:08:58,293 Speaker 2: and he just turned his head and watched it and 160 00:08:58,373 --> 00:09:00,893 Speaker 2: go down to the boundary for four and he took 161 00:09:00,893 --> 00:09:04,053 Speaker 2: a couple of places back. And that is a true story. 162 00:09:04,133 --> 00:09:08,973 Speaker 2: I kid you not. So wow, I've seen it happened. 163 00:09:09,293 --> 00:09:12,573 Speaker 2: But it was just amazing to see five penalty runs 164 00:09:12,613 --> 00:09:16,333 Speaker 2: because in a close game that can cost you dearly. 165 00:09:17,173 --> 00:09:17,653 Speaker 3: Oh yeah. 166 00:09:19,293 --> 00:09:22,573 Speaker 2: The World Test Championship, we talked about it last week. 167 00:09:22,893 --> 00:09:25,773 Speaker 2: Was the editor Lawrence Booth joined on the front foot 168 00:09:26,253 --> 00:09:29,653 Speaker 2: and detailed in his review of the Cricket Year thing 169 00:09:29,733 --> 00:09:32,653 Speaker 2: called his editor's note it's anitatorial I suppose he had 170 00:09:32,693 --> 00:09:36,373 Speaker 2: some gathing criticism of the ICC. He suggested the plan 171 00:09:36,493 --> 00:09:40,853 Speaker 2: to a World Test Championship, called it a shambles masquerading 172 00:09:41,093 --> 00:09:45,213 Speaker 2: as a show piece. He wants to change things double 173 00:09:45,253 --> 00:09:48,733 Speaker 2: at SLINKs the four years, like football and rugby said, 174 00:09:48,773 --> 00:09:51,933 Speaker 2: and ensure the top nine in the rankings all play 175 00:09:51,973 --> 00:09:54,653 Speaker 2: each other, so that's a nine team competition. And he 176 00:09:54,733 --> 00:09:58,373 Speaker 2: wants a home and away over the series of at 177 00:09:58,453 --> 00:10:04,453 Speaker 2: least three years. Anything he said. But Barclay's mess, well 178 00:10:04,493 --> 00:10:08,293 Speaker 2: that's a reference to Greg Barclay, who was the president 179 00:10:08,493 --> 00:10:11,853 Speaker 2: before Jay Shah before we we have a bit of 180 00:10:11,893 --> 00:10:15,093 Speaker 2: a chair about it during It's Welcome Lawrence Beck because 181 00:10:15,093 --> 00:10:18,053 Speaker 2: he's glad that he was able to come and join 182 00:10:18,093 --> 00:10:24,413 Speaker 2: us again this week and explain how his plan was shaping. Yeah. 183 00:10:24,453 --> 00:10:26,973 Speaker 5: I mean, look, I think there should be a World 184 00:10:27,013 --> 00:10:29,933 Speaker 5: Test Championship. I just don't like the way it's configured 185 00:10:29,933 --> 00:10:35,573 Speaker 5: at the moment. So as it stands, it's a league effectively, 186 00:10:35,653 --> 00:10:39,853 Speaker 5: but different teams play different numbers of games against different opponents. 187 00:10:40,453 --> 00:10:43,373 Speaker 5: Now that that isn't satisfactory as far as I'm concerned. 188 00:10:44,213 --> 00:10:46,693 Speaker 5: Every team should play the same number of matches against 189 00:10:46,693 --> 00:10:48,933 Speaker 5: the same opponents so that by the end of it 190 00:10:49,053 --> 00:10:52,493 Speaker 5: you have a symmetrical fair system where you can you 191 00:10:52,573 --> 00:10:54,493 Speaker 5: can say that the best two teams have risen to 192 00:10:54,573 --> 00:10:57,733 Speaker 5: the final as things stand. I mean South Africa, I 193 00:10:57,773 --> 00:11:00,293 Speaker 5: mean fair play to them. They beat the opponents in 194 00:11:00,373 --> 00:11:02,653 Speaker 5: front of them and have got to the final where 195 00:11:02,693 --> 00:11:05,253 Speaker 5: they play Australia. And it's not their fault that they 196 00:11:05,653 --> 00:11:09,133 Speaker 5: didn't get long Test series against Australia India, and that's 197 00:11:09,173 --> 00:11:11,133 Speaker 5: the greed of the Big three who carve it up 198 00:11:11,173 --> 00:11:14,493 Speaker 5: to suit themselves. But we still have a situation where 199 00:11:14,573 --> 00:11:17,573 Speaker 5: South Africa, who sent effectively a C team to New 200 00:11:17,653 --> 00:11:20,093 Speaker 5: Zealand at the start of the cycle of you'll remember 201 00:11:20,133 --> 00:11:22,493 Speaker 5: that well, of course, and gave the Zealand their first 202 00:11:22,533 --> 00:11:24,853 Speaker 5: ever series win against South Africa. Partly as a result 203 00:11:24,893 --> 00:11:26,813 Speaker 5: of that. They might have beaten them anyway, but it 204 00:11:26,933 --> 00:11:31,093 Speaker 5: devalued that series. And then South Africa in their fourth 205 00:11:31,173 --> 00:11:34,413 Speaker 5: coming home winter or home summer, do not play a 206 00:11:34,493 --> 00:11:37,333 Speaker 5: home Test match. They have five T twenties against West Indies. 207 00:11:37,533 --> 00:11:39,373 Speaker 5: We're talking here about the team that has reached the 208 00:11:39,453 --> 00:11:43,453 Speaker 5: final of the World Test Championship. Now what we need 209 00:11:43,613 --> 00:11:46,613 Speaker 5: is my suggestion in wisdom is to play, is to 210 00:11:46,693 --> 00:11:50,173 Speaker 5: expand the cycle to four years. It's currently two four 211 00:11:50,293 --> 00:11:52,933 Speaker 5: years works very well in rugby and football, and it 212 00:11:53,013 --> 00:11:56,773 Speaker 5: gives the World Cups a certain stature, certain scarcity value. 213 00:11:57,293 --> 00:11:59,973 Speaker 5: Expanded four years and that would allow each team, probably 214 00:12:00,013 --> 00:12:01,733 Speaker 5: i'd say the top nine to play each other home 215 00:12:01,813 --> 00:12:04,493 Speaker 5: and away in a series of a minimum of three tests. 216 00:12:05,133 --> 00:12:08,493 Speaker 5: They forget these two tests, nonsense, three tests. You have 217 00:12:08,533 --> 00:12:10,173 Speaker 5: a proper test series and by the end of it 218 00:12:10,973 --> 00:12:13,693 Speaker 5: we'll know that it's a fair it's a fair draw. 219 00:12:15,093 --> 00:12:17,813 Speaker 5: At the moment they are muddling through. Look, it's better 220 00:12:17,853 --> 00:12:20,653 Speaker 5: than nothing. An imperfect World Test Championship it's better than 221 00:12:20,693 --> 00:12:22,933 Speaker 5: no World Test Championship. And I accept that we have 222 00:12:23,013 --> 00:12:25,653 Speaker 5: a problem now increasingly so with India against Pakistan and 223 00:12:25,733 --> 00:12:27,653 Speaker 5: what to do about that. You could play those on 224 00:12:27,733 --> 00:12:30,573 Speaker 5: neutual territory, but I can see that lots of people 225 00:12:30,613 --> 00:12:32,773 Speaker 5: in Indian cricket are saying we shouldn't play them, play 226 00:12:32,813 --> 00:12:34,853 Speaker 5: Pakistan at all in any form of cricket after the 227 00:12:35,533 --> 00:12:38,693 Speaker 5: Kashmir atrocity from a few weeks ago. So that is 228 00:12:38,773 --> 00:12:41,413 Speaker 5: clearly a logistical problem. But I think as a basic 229 00:12:41,533 --> 00:12:45,293 Speaker 5: principle it should be fairer and more symmetrical. 230 00:12:45,973 --> 00:12:48,693 Speaker 2: It's interesting because a four years there's still got to 231 00:12:48,733 --> 00:12:52,053 Speaker 2: be enough windows to play test cricket. Danger they seem 232 00:12:52,133 --> 00:12:55,613 Speaker 2: to struggle to find that window. Is there a danger 233 00:12:56,333 --> 00:13:00,933 Speaker 2: that they might shorten Test matches to four days in length? 234 00:13:01,493 --> 00:13:04,413 Speaker 2: There's been talk about that in the past, It's been dismissed. 235 00:13:04,813 --> 00:13:07,173 Speaker 2: Sometimes there are only four days in the Test, but 236 00:13:07,613 --> 00:13:09,933 Speaker 2: five days as of WOWED, so that you can complete 237 00:13:09,933 --> 00:13:12,453 Speaker 2: a Test match in it, and we've seen some wonderful 238 00:13:12,493 --> 00:13:14,893 Speaker 2: results over that period of time. Is there going to 239 00:13:14,933 --> 00:13:19,053 Speaker 2: be enough time? Will the world cricketing bodies want to 240 00:13:19,253 --> 00:13:20,853 Speaker 2: go with that format? 241 00:13:21,333 --> 00:13:23,453 Speaker 5: Well, as you say, I think four day cricket might 242 00:13:23,853 --> 00:13:26,053 Speaker 5: might end up being a solution, whether we like it 243 00:13:26,213 --> 00:13:29,293 Speaker 5: or not. What you could do then clearly is you 244 00:13:29,333 --> 00:13:32,213 Speaker 5: could have Test matches in three successive weeks with a 245 00:13:32,253 --> 00:13:34,813 Speaker 5: bit of time in between for rest and recuperation, and 246 00:13:34,893 --> 00:13:36,973 Speaker 5: if a day is lost to rain, you just tag 247 00:13:37,053 --> 00:13:38,653 Speaker 5: it on to the end. You know, you say we 248 00:13:38,733 --> 00:13:41,333 Speaker 5: turn it into a fifth day. You'd have to get 249 00:13:41,373 --> 00:13:43,373 Speaker 5: overrates up. I mean at the moment. You know, if 250 00:13:43,373 --> 00:13:45,653 Speaker 5: you're a seam if you're a seam bowling side like 251 00:13:45,853 --> 00:13:48,533 Speaker 5: England or New Zealand, you're struggling to get more than 252 00:13:48,573 --> 00:13:51,173 Speaker 5: eighty two eighty three overs in a day. If you're 253 00:13:51,373 --> 00:13:54,813 Speaker 5: a spin bowling team, that that's fine, But so you'd 254 00:13:54,853 --> 00:13:56,653 Speaker 5: have to say, look, you've got to get through overs 255 00:13:56,653 --> 00:13:58,733 Speaker 5: more quickly because you'd probably need ninety six overs a 256 00:13:58,853 --> 00:14:02,733 Speaker 5: day rather than the current ninety. That may be the 257 00:14:02,733 --> 00:14:05,253 Speaker 5: way it has to go to fit it in. Again, 258 00:14:05,613 --> 00:14:08,653 Speaker 5: it's imperfect, but it might be better than the scenario 259 00:14:08,733 --> 00:14:10,973 Speaker 5: we have where teams are playing two match series and 260 00:14:11,493 --> 00:14:15,933 Speaker 5: they're there's kind of they feel meaningless. But it comes 261 00:14:15,973 --> 00:14:19,613 Speaker 5: back to the earlier point as making about the spread 262 00:14:19,653 --> 00:14:22,933 Speaker 5: of money in a Test match. Fund And if teams 263 00:14:22,933 --> 00:14:24,413 Speaker 5: are allowed to make a bit of a loss in 264 00:14:24,493 --> 00:14:27,933 Speaker 5: Test cricket because they knew they were financially supported and 265 00:14:28,053 --> 00:14:29,693 Speaker 5: that they were that money was coming in from a 266 00:14:29,773 --> 00:14:33,013 Speaker 5: white ball game, you could tolerate a three match series 267 00:14:33,053 --> 00:14:35,373 Speaker 5: more easily. It just needs a bit of collaboration between 268 00:14:35,373 --> 00:14:36,973 Speaker 5: the boards. It can be done if there's a will. 269 00:14:37,293 --> 00:14:39,813 Speaker 5: The problem is everyone's chasing money, Brian, Everyone's chasing their 270 00:14:39,853 --> 00:14:43,653 Speaker 5: own T twenty solution. You know, New Zealand cricket getting 271 00:14:43,693 --> 00:14:46,693 Speaker 5: into bed with Major League cricket is the latest example 272 00:14:46,773 --> 00:14:49,773 Speaker 5: of how teams are trying to future proof themselves against 273 00:14:49,813 --> 00:14:54,893 Speaker 5: the loss of bilateral TV rights. So I'm frobly talking 274 00:14:54,933 --> 00:14:58,853 Speaker 5: idealistically here when the cricketing world is getting on pragmatically 275 00:14:58,933 --> 00:14:59,493 Speaker 5: with the problem. 276 00:15:00,733 --> 00:15:04,133 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting because it's just starting point anyway for 277 00:15:04,293 --> 00:15:09,493 Speaker 2: the discussion from your discussions around the U. Okay, how 278 00:15:09,533 --> 00:15:12,653 Speaker 2: many people are of a similar opinion or are they 279 00:15:12,733 --> 00:15:15,693 Speaker 2: a divided group of people who want to do something else? 280 00:15:16,293 --> 00:15:19,573 Speaker 5: No, I mean Test cricket still is the format here. 281 00:15:19,813 --> 00:15:21,413 Speaker 5: I mean, you know, you watch a Test match in 282 00:15:21,493 --> 00:15:24,213 Speaker 5: England and the grounds are packed out. Now the grounds 283 00:15:24,333 --> 00:15:26,253 Speaker 5: in England aren't as big as the grounds in Australia, 284 00:15:26,333 --> 00:15:29,253 Speaker 5: but you're still talking about thirty thousand at Lord's and 285 00:15:29,373 --> 00:15:33,653 Speaker 5: twenty six twenty seven thousand at the Oval. The English 286 00:15:33,693 --> 00:15:35,773 Speaker 5: Test cricket still routinely sells out and that is the 287 00:15:35,813 --> 00:15:39,813 Speaker 5: format that people want to see thrive. The problem we've 288 00:15:39,853 --> 00:15:42,453 Speaker 5: got is that the ECB, the English and Wales Cricket 289 00:15:42,493 --> 00:15:46,413 Speaker 5: board know very well that the easiest solution to that 290 00:15:46,573 --> 00:15:48,773 Speaker 5: is to play five match series against India in Australia. 291 00:15:49,053 --> 00:15:52,053 Speaker 5: I mean this calendar year, England have a one off 292 00:15:52,133 --> 00:15:54,613 Speaker 5: four day Test actually against Zimbabwe in Nottingham at the 293 00:15:54,693 --> 00:15:57,173 Speaker 5: end of May, and after that their test program is 294 00:15:57,253 --> 00:16:00,013 Speaker 5: five home tests against India and five in Australia to 295 00:16:00,093 --> 00:16:03,173 Speaker 5: try and get the ashes back. So it is already 296 00:16:03,213 --> 00:16:06,653 Speaker 5: happening to a degree. They're talking the ECBER talking about 297 00:16:06,733 --> 00:16:10,213 Speaker 5: more longer Test series against other nations. We'll see, we'll 298 00:16:10,253 --> 00:16:13,133 Speaker 5: see whether that happens. But there is a will to 299 00:16:13,173 --> 00:16:15,173 Speaker 5: save Test cricket. It's just whether there can be a 300 00:16:15,293 --> 00:16:17,373 Speaker 5: kind of global will to do it. 301 00:16:18,373 --> 00:16:20,813 Speaker 2: Just a last word on the Test Championship, do you 302 00:16:20,853 --> 00:16:24,333 Speaker 2: see it being run in two groups? A group and 303 00:16:24,413 --> 00:16:27,213 Speaker 2: then a lower tier Because there's been a resistance to 304 00:16:27,373 --> 00:16:28,773 Speaker 2: vet from the sides that would come in to the 305 00:16:28,853 --> 00:16:31,253 Speaker 2: lower tier and the likes of West Indies we're talking 306 00:16:31,293 --> 00:16:32,373 Speaker 2: about that, wren't. 307 00:16:32,013 --> 00:16:36,573 Speaker 5: They Yeah, I don't like tears. I think there's Test 308 00:16:36,613 --> 00:16:39,693 Speaker 5: cricket is more competitive than the people realize. You know, 309 00:16:40,853 --> 00:16:44,053 Speaker 5: West Indies squared the series against Australia last year. In Australia, 310 00:16:44,093 --> 00:16:48,373 Speaker 5: no one gave them a chance. In hell Bangladesh one 311 00:16:48,453 --> 00:16:51,613 Speaker 5: in Pakistan, no one thought that would happen. Sermnanka won 312 00:16:51,653 --> 00:16:53,853 Speaker 5: a Test match at the Oval against England New Zealand 313 00:16:53,893 --> 00:16:57,293 Speaker 5: as we're talking earlier, winning three nil in India. West 314 00:16:57,333 --> 00:17:00,493 Speaker 5: Indies squared the series in Pakistan. It's far more competitive 315 00:17:00,493 --> 00:17:03,413 Speaker 5: than people give it credit for. So I think if 316 00:17:03,413 --> 00:17:06,413 Speaker 5: we go down the two tiers system, we will exacerbate 317 00:17:06,453 --> 00:17:08,413 Speaker 5: the gap between the haves and the have not. That 318 00:17:08,573 --> 00:17:11,253 Speaker 5: is precisely the scenario I would like to see Test 319 00:17:11,293 --> 00:17:13,613 Speaker 5: cricket avoid. I think we all need to work together 320 00:17:13,733 --> 00:17:17,173 Speaker 5: to promote Test cricket and if we can convince people 321 00:17:17,213 --> 00:17:20,973 Speaker 5: that it's a marketable, watchable format, then maybe the TV 322 00:17:21,653 --> 00:17:24,293 Speaker 5: companies will get more involved as well and more money 323 00:17:24,293 --> 00:17:26,533 Speaker 5: will come in that way. Let's not give up on 324 00:17:26,653 --> 00:17:29,013 Speaker 5: Test cricket. If we go down two divisions, two tiers, 325 00:17:29,253 --> 00:17:32,453 Speaker 5: whatever they decided, that gap will grow and it will 326 00:17:32,493 --> 00:17:34,693 Speaker 5: simply hasten the demise of the smaller nations. 327 00:17:35,013 --> 00:17:38,413 Speaker 2: Yes, will be interesting. We will be looking to have 328 00:17:38,493 --> 00:17:40,213 Speaker 2: a discussion about that in this part of the world 329 00:17:40,213 --> 00:17:43,573 Speaker 2: because I think there is a group of people that 330 00:17:44,093 --> 00:17:46,253 Speaker 2: are traditionalists to the heart and they love the game. 331 00:17:47,053 --> 00:17:48,973 Speaker 2: We love it when England coming out because they bring 332 00:17:49,053 --> 00:17:50,893 Speaker 2: the Bami Army in all the tour groups and we 333 00:17:51,013 --> 00:17:53,373 Speaker 2: have a wonderful time. We wish England could come out 334 00:17:53,493 --> 00:17:57,493 Speaker 2: every year because the last two was successful. This year 335 00:17:57,493 --> 00:17:59,773 Speaker 2: we've got kiss matches against Zimbabwe and I think a 336 00:17:59,813 --> 00:18:02,493 Speaker 2: couple against the West Indies. That's basically it. And you 337 00:18:02,613 --> 00:18:05,893 Speaker 2: mentioned South Africa in terms of their home program and 338 00:18:06,133 --> 00:18:10,533 Speaker 2: you're gearing up for a test mat against Zimbabwe very shortly. 339 00:18:10,533 --> 00:18:13,013 Speaker 5: That's right. And you know it's nice they're playing Zimbabwe 340 00:18:13,173 --> 00:18:15,373 Speaker 5: for a one off test. I mean, I don't know 341 00:18:15,453 --> 00:18:18,333 Speaker 5: exactly what it will achieve in the long run, but 342 00:18:18,373 --> 00:18:20,413 Speaker 5: at least it's England. I mean, it's our first Test 343 00:18:20,453 --> 00:18:22,893 Speaker 5: against Zimbabwe for twenty two years, so at least that 344 00:18:22,933 --> 00:18:25,573 Speaker 5: shows they haven't forgotten them. But of course it might 345 00:18:25,653 --> 00:18:27,853 Speaker 5: just be window dressing. I don't know what you know, 346 00:18:28,213 --> 00:18:29,973 Speaker 5: how all the Zimbabwean players, how are they going to 347 00:18:29,973 --> 00:18:32,413 Speaker 5: become proper test players if they just play a one 348 00:18:32,453 --> 00:18:34,173 Speaker 5: off test here and there and then a couple against 349 00:18:34,493 --> 00:18:36,893 Speaker 5: Bangladesh or Ireland. I mean, it's a problem that the 350 00:18:36,893 --> 00:18:38,173 Speaker 5: World Cricket hasn't got to grips with. 351 00:18:38,653 --> 00:18:40,133 Speaker 2: Oh well, the good thing is that New Zealand are 352 00:18:40,173 --> 00:18:42,333 Speaker 2: hitting over there for a couple of Test matches and 353 00:18:43,373 --> 00:18:46,653 Speaker 2: then they'll get that opportunity. And I think that the 354 00:18:46,853 --> 00:18:51,693 Speaker 2: likes of Zimbabwe and even Afghanistan are on the future 355 00:18:51,733 --> 00:18:53,773 Speaker 2: program for New Zealand or so we just have to 356 00:18:53,853 --> 00:18:56,333 Speaker 2: hope that those sides can take part. 357 00:18:56,493 --> 00:19:00,133 Speaker 3: Brian Waddell Jeremy Coney on the front foot. 358 00:19:00,413 --> 00:19:04,613 Speaker 2: Interesting concept from Lawrence Bruth and thanks very much Lawrence 359 00:19:04,653 --> 00:19:06,853 Speaker 2: for joining us once again. I tend to think we 360 00:19:07,013 --> 00:19:11,773 Speaker 2: probably agree in many aspects of what's needed to be done. 361 00:19:12,133 --> 00:19:15,053 Speaker 2: But how to achieve it, I think is going to 362 00:19:15,093 --> 00:19:16,013 Speaker 2: be the challenge, isn't it. 363 00:19:17,053 --> 00:19:22,333 Speaker 3: Well totally I'm with you on that. I have sympathy 364 00:19:22,453 --> 00:19:30,133 Speaker 3: for the proposal. Why it's fair all sides, It's easy 365 00:19:30,213 --> 00:19:30,693 Speaker 3: to follow. 366 00:19:31,293 --> 00:19:35,253 Speaker 4: You get a feeling that after the four year cycle 367 00:19:36,293 --> 00:19:38,333 Speaker 4: that the two best sides. 368 00:19:39,613 --> 00:19:41,013 Speaker 3: Will contest the final. 369 00:19:42,293 --> 00:19:46,093 Speaker 4: The four year term doesn't bother me really, It's like, 370 00:19:46,213 --> 00:19:49,413 Speaker 4: as you say, World Cut, ODIs and a lot of 371 00:19:49,493 --> 00:19:52,333 Speaker 4: other competitions around tournaments. 372 00:19:52,893 --> 00:19:54,813 Speaker 3: And so on, lots of them use it. 373 00:19:55,653 --> 00:20:00,013 Speaker 4: So I guess I would also have to admit that 374 00:20:01,173 --> 00:20:04,733 Speaker 4: it's because I played Test cricket and because I've always 375 00:20:04,813 --> 00:20:10,093 Speaker 4: regarded Test cricket as this of the challenge that a 376 00:20:10,173 --> 00:20:14,813 Speaker 4: player confronts, and you know, I prefer to follow it 377 00:20:14,893 --> 00:20:19,253 Speaker 4: as a format over others. I would have to say, so, 378 00:20:19,493 --> 00:20:24,053 Speaker 4: not everybody's that, and I appreciate that. How do you 379 00:20:24,213 --> 00:20:27,253 Speaker 4: feel a little bit the same way? I suspect that's 380 00:20:27,293 --> 00:20:27,893 Speaker 4: a guest from me. 381 00:20:28,973 --> 00:20:31,573 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, well, I think we've talked about these things 382 00:20:31,613 --> 00:20:35,493 Speaker 2: in the past, and you know, the players will always 383 00:20:35,533 --> 00:20:37,933 Speaker 2: tell you this is the truest form of the game. 384 00:20:37,973 --> 00:20:40,573 Speaker 2: It's the real challenges. As you point out that that's 385 00:20:40,573 --> 00:20:43,373 Speaker 2: why it's called a test. It tests more of your 386 00:20:43,493 --> 00:20:48,613 Speaker 2: game than any other aspect of white ball cricket. And 387 00:20:49,693 --> 00:20:53,013 Speaker 2: you know, I mean I enjoy the cut and thrust 388 00:20:53,693 --> 00:20:55,973 Speaker 2: of the Test match, which you don't see in T 389 00:20:56,173 --> 00:20:58,573 Speaker 2: twenty to a certain extent. You can see it inn 390 00:20:58,573 --> 00:21:02,413 Speaker 2: ODI cricket at times, but the test matches is what 391 00:21:03,253 --> 00:21:09,133 Speaker 2: really gives you the chance to really how the game 392 00:21:09,773 --> 00:21:11,093 Speaker 2: is developing and changing. 393 00:21:11,973 --> 00:21:12,773 Speaker 3: Home and Away. 394 00:21:14,573 --> 00:21:19,573 Speaker 2: Three test series, four year period. Is there going to 395 00:21:19,613 --> 00:21:23,013 Speaker 2: be enough time You're more of a mathematician than I am. 396 00:21:24,093 --> 00:21:27,893 Speaker 4: Yeah, that comes under the heading I mean after stating yeah, 397 00:21:27,933 --> 00:21:30,893 Speaker 4: I'm with this. I think it's very fair and it's easy, 398 00:21:31,213 --> 00:21:35,013 Speaker 4: and it removes some of the problems that exist with 399 00:21:35,173 --> 00:21:38,093 Speaker 4: the current setup playing a different number of games each 400 00:21:39,013 --> 00:21:42,693 Speaker 4: or all those things, the points system, all those stuff 401 00:21:42,813 --> 00:21:48,213 Speaker 4: is difficult. So the calendar congestion, which is I think 402 00:21:48,253 --> 00:21:55,013 Speaker 4: what you're talking about. I see the events, a burgeoning 403 00:21:55,133 --> 00:22:00,133 Speaker 4: number of T twenty leagues, bilateral arrangements that'd probably go. 404 00:22:00,333 --> 00:22:04,093 Speaker 4: I would think if you went into this new kind 405 00:22:04,133 --> 00:22:07,213 Speaker 4: of setup, if it actually occurred, I think that go, 406 00:22:07,453 --> 00:22:13,973 Speaker 4: wouldn't They briefly mean nine sides, so you'd play eight 407 00:22:14,173 --> 00:22:18,573 Speaker 4: opponents over two series, is what you're talking about Home 408 00:22:18,613 --> 00:22:19,173 Speaker 4: and Away. 409 00:22:19,973 --> 00:22:24,013 Speaker 3: So that's eight opponents, that's sixteen series. You would play 410 00:22:24,693 --> 00:22:29,253 Speaker 3: two series for each side over the four years, three 411 00:22:29,373 --> 00:22:33,933 Speaker 3: tests in each of the series, so three sixteens forty 412 00:22:34,013 --> 00:22:39,093 Speaker 3: eight tests each side would play in the four years 413 00:22:39,653 --> 00:22:46,133 Speaker 3: spread out, so that's twelve tests per year on average, 414 00:22:47,053 --> 00:22:51,573 Speaker 3: on average, So New Zealand I went and had a quick. 415 00:22:51,453 --> 00:22:54,053 Speaker 4: Look, wads how many tests of say New Zealand played 416 00:22:54,053 --> 00:23:00,333 Speaker 4: in the last ten years May twenty fifteen to twenty five. 417 00:23:02,413 --> 00:23:06,773 Speaker 4: Sixty six is the answer, and they would have to 418 00:23:07,413 --> 00:23:10,853 Speaker 4: that's right over the ten years. So that's about half 419 00:23:11,973 --> 00:23:14,533 Speaker 4: six point six would be, wouldn't it. That's about half 420 00:23:14,573 --> 00:23:16,893 Speaker 4: what we're talking about getting the twelve tests per year, 421 00:23:16,933 --> 00:23:21,613 Speaker 4: and on average England over the same period one hundred 422 00:23:21,653 --> 00:23:25,173 Speaker 4: and thirty one tests they have played. They are the 423 00:23:25,333 --> 00:23:30,373 Speaker 4: only side that play that number. India ninety two, Australia 424 00:23:30,533 --> 00:23:33,893 Speaker 4: ninety eight tests. And then you get to sides a 425 00:23:33,973 --> 00:23:37,493 Speaker 4: little bit more like New Zealand. South Africa sixty two. 426 00:23:37,693 --> 00:23:41,733 Speaker 4: These are all ten year times. South Africa sixty two, 427 00:23:41,853 --> 00:23:47,573 Speaker 4: Pakistan seventy eight, interesting, Sri Lanka sixty nine, Bangladesh fifty six, 428 00:23:47,893 --> 00:23:50,333 Speaker 4: and the West Indies seventy three. So it gives you 429 00:23:50,453 --> 00:23:55,573 Speaker 4: an idea of those teams that have not played the 430 00:23:55,693 --> 00:24:00,213 Speaker 4: same number of tests that Lawrence Booth his plan suggests. 431 00:24:01,053 --> 00:24:04,973 Speaker 4: So I'd have to assume onds that in the twelve 432 00:24:05,053 --> 00:24:09,013 Speaker 4: tests a year, they would have to change to four tests. 433 00:24:10,013 --> 00:24:12,773 Speaker 4: They couldn't be five, which means then a discussion I 434 00:24:12,893 --> 00:24:15,533 Speaker 4: think about how many overs would there be in a day? 435 00:24:16,253 --> 00:24:18,013 Speaker 3: How do you feel about those questions? 436 00:24:18,693 --> 00:24:21,253 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that that's something he sort of 437 00:24:22,053 --> 00:24:25,093 Speaker 2: covered ninety six overs the day instead of ninety But 438 00:24:25,213 --> 00:24:27,413 Speaker 2: teams can't even bowl ninety in a day now, so 439 00:24:27,653 --> 00:24:29,893 Speaker 2: how they're going to bowl ninety six? But there would 440 00:24:29,893 --> 00:24:32,413 Speaker 2: have to be some effort made to do that. But 441 00:24:32,533 --> 00:24:37,333 Speaker 2: you also got to include in that England Australia ashes 442 00:24:37,813 --> 00:24:40,733 Speaker 2: test matches. They're five tests series, aren't they? And then 443 00:24:40,813 --> 00:24:45,653 Speaker 2: the matches that have played, you know against India they 444 00:24:45,733 --> 00:24:49,253 Speaker 2: seem to want five. There England to put you know, 445 00:24:49,413 --> 00:24:53,053 Speaker 2: in their home program five test matches, so you know 446 00:24:53,173 --> 00:24:55,213 Speaker 2: it's going to be a lot more Test matches. But 447 00:24:55,333 --> 00:24:58,493 Speaker 2: it just shows how New Zealand lag behind. I mean 448 00:24:58,533 --> 00:25:01,733 Speaker 2: they play less cricket by your figures than the West 449 00:25:01,773 --> 00:25:03,133 Speaker 2: Indies in tests. 450 00:25:03,493 --> 00:25:06,333 Speaker 3: That's correct. I think there's a bit of West Indies 451 00:25:06,693 --> 00:25:08,053 Speaker 3: still holding. 452 00:25:09,213 --> 00:25:11,733 Speaker 4: That sort of period where they played and there's a 453 00:25:11,853 --> 00:25:16,013 Speaker 4: feeling that they want to play against the West Indies 454 00:25:16,493 --> 00:25:17,253 Speaker 4: a different. 455 00:25:16,973 --> 00:25:20,293 Speaker 3: Way that they play. Perhaps the method they play. I 456 00:25:20,373 --> 00:25:20,693 Speaker 3: don't know. 457 00:25:20,853 --> 00:25:23,973 Speaker 4: I can't say more than that about the number seventy 458 00:25:24,053 --> 00:25:27,933 Speaker 4: three that they played in New Zealand's sixty six. I 459 00:25:28,053 --> 00:25:33,893 Speaker 4: guess the next question for me Wadds is player fatigue, starts. 460 00:25:33,613 --> 00:25:35,213 Speaker 3: And burnout and injuries. 461 00:25:36,013 --> 00:25:39,093 Speaker 4: With all the World Cups and the T twenties plus 462 00:25:39,253 --> 00:25:44,093 Speaker 4: these twelve tests, England have got quite a group, haven't they, 463 00:25:44,213 --> 00:25:47,573 Speaker 4: that they can use in different tests. 464 00:25:47,933 --> 00:25:50,133 Speaker 3: Would that mean that players would. 465 00:25:49,973 --> 00:25:52,533 Speaker 4: Pick and choose a little bit the various tests that 466 00:25:52,653 --> 00:25:57,933 Speaker 4: they played of the twelve and would players prioritizing some 467 00:25:58,293 --> 00:25:59,493 Speaker 4: games over others? 468 00:26:00,013 --> 00:26:02,933 Speaker 3: Would that weeken the league a little bit? 469 00:26:03,013 --> 00:26:06,453 Speaker 4: So suddenly you arrive at watching what you anticipate as 470 00:26:06,453 --> 00:26:10,213 Speaker 4: a good test and you find that Williamson and Henry 471 00:26:10,253 --> 00:26:12,773 Speaker 4: aren't playing, or something like that. 472 00:26:13,693 --> 00:26:17,573 Speaker 2: That's slightly different to New Zealand. Are slightly different to England, 473 00:26:17,613 --> 00:26:19,853 Speaker 2: don't they? I mean the players don't decide, it's the 474 00:26:19,933 --> 00:26:24,093 Speaker 2: selection panel that decides what they play. One day's T 475 00:26:24,253 --> 00:26:28,053 Speaker 2: twenty test matches. New Zealand doesn't have quite the depth 476 00:26:28,133 --> 00:26:29,373 Speaker 2: do they? In terms of numbers? 477 00:26:31,453 --> 00:26:31,613 Speaker 5: Well? 478 00:26:31,693 --> 00:26:37,373 Speaker 4: No, that's right, eighteen eighteen first class sides, don't they? 479 00:26:38,533 --> 00:26:41,493 Speaker 4: And then a nineteenth side because they don't really release 480 00:26:41,613 --> 00:26:45,933 Speaker 4: their test players that much back to those county sides 481 00:26:46,013 --> 00:26:49,213 Speaker 4: that they play for, so there's kind of nineteen sides. 482 00:26:49,813 --> 00:26:52,493 Speaker 4: Well you can just see the numbers are vastly different 483 00:26:52,533 --> 00:26:57,053 Speaker 4: from our six sides that we have, so that's a 484 00:26:57,093 --> 00:26:59,893 Speaker 4: bit of an issue I think a little bit around this. 485 00:27:00,733 --> 00:27:05,533 Speaker 4: So the calendar, then the players, I think costs for 486 00:27:05,653 --> 00:27:08,693 Speaker 4: all those teams I talked about the West and these 487 00:27:08,693 --> 00:27:13,253 Speaker 4: would certainly be one would boards struggle to pay for 488 00:27:13,453 --> 00:27:18,213 Speaker 4: hosting teams for their test for their sort of requisite 489 00:27:18,293 --> 00:27:21,013 Speaker 4: number of tests that they would have to they would 490 00:27:21,013 --> 00:27:23,973 Speaker 4: have to put on, and then of course the travel 491 00:27:24,613 --> 00:27:28,573 Speaker 4: to go to other places as well, and that leads 492 00:27:28,693 --> 00:27:33,333 Speaker 4: to where will the money come from exactly? Now, The 493 00:27:33,493 --> 00:27:37,893 Speaker 4: fact of it is, it's very clear in this system, 494 00:27:37,973 --> 00:27:41,133 Speaker 4: I think the big guys are going to have to 495 00:27:41,173 --> 00:27:42,053 Speaker 4: give money away. 496 00:27:44,173 --> 00:27:45,693 Speaker 3: It can't be done otherwise. 497 00:27:46,733 --> 00:27:52,373 Speaker 4: You could perhaps have an overall broadcaster who handled the 498 00:27:52,493 --> 00:27:55,973 Speaker 4: whole of the test matches that obviously sublet some of 499 00:27:56,053 --> 00:27:59,773 Speaker 4: those two other teams you know, to other broadcasters, but 500 00:27:59,973 --> 00:28:04,933 Speaker 4: they would do the main ones they saw and you'd 501 00:28:05,013 --> 00:28:09,093 Speaker 4: have to pull the money that that brought broadcast that 502 00:28:09,293 --> 00:28:15,333 Speaker 4: main broadcaster you paid for the right to broadcast those tests, 503 00:28:15,933 --> 00:28:18,053 Speaker 4: and the money from that pool would go out to 504 00:28:18,173 --> 00:28:23,253 Speaker 4: players and to playing airfares and to paying venues and 505 00:28:23,453 --> 00:28:27,613 Speaker 4: so on. This is a vastly different system than what 506 00:28:27,773 --> 00:28:31,213 Speaker 4: we've got operating at the moment. So I don't know 507 00:28:31,293 --> 00:28:34,253 Speaker 4: what you feel about those ideas. These are just my 508 00:28:34,453 --> 00:28:37,053 Speaker 4: ideas I see them as I see them as slightly 509 00:28:37,213 --> 00:28:39,693 Speaker 4: obstacles to this going ahead. 510 00:28:40,253 --> 00:28:43,093 Speaker 2: Well, they have to come into consideration when they're deciding 511 00:28:43,213 --> 00:28:46,293 Speaker 2: to do and they what they intend to do with 512 00:28:46,333 --> 00:28:48,733 Speaker 2: the World Test Championship. And I think that's the suggestion 513 00:28:48,893 --> 00:28:52,253 Speaker 2: Lawrence Booth was making to Jayshar. One of the important 514 00:28:52,333 --> 00:28:55,813 Speaker 2: jobs he faces is to decide what is going to happen. 515 00:28:56,213 --> 00:28:59,493 Speaker 2: I just wonder, added to that, whether there is the 516 00:28:59,693 --> 00:29:03,573 Speaker 2: appetite within the administration of the game for this to 517 00:29:03,693 --> 00:29:07,413 Speaker 2: happen and to make those changes or just do as 518 00:29:07,893 --> 00:29:15,013 Speaker 2: he call the fact that it's a shambles masquerading as 519 00:29:15,053 --> 00:29:15,613 Speaker 2: a show piece. 520 00:29:16,333 --> 00:29:18,973 Speaker 4: Yeah, well and it is a but he's kind of 521 00:29:19,213 --> 00:29:23,173 Speaker 4: he said it in a nice memorable kind of way, 522 00:29:23,813 --> 00:29:25,973 Speaker 4: in a phrase, he's good, he's good at doing that. 523 00:29:27,093 --> 00:29:31,613 Speaker 4: But yeah, absolutely, but he you know, but but basically 524 00:29:32,013 --> 00:29:35,053 Speaker 4: the idea behind the words I think a lot of 525 00:29:35,133 --> 00:29:37,973 Speaker 4: people would agree with, and that's what we have the 526 00:29:38,093 --> 00:29:42,733 Speaker 4: sympathy for his suggestion. There are political tensions odds, how 527 00:29:43,373 --> 00:29:48,653 Speaker 4: are we going to approach Pakistan India neutral grounds or 528 00:29:48,733 --> 00:29:52,173 Speaker 4: are we just going to cancel them playing each other? 529 00:29:53,213 --> 00:29:56,173 Speaker 4: In which case what happens to the points? Do they 530 00:29:56,293 --> 00:29:59,853 Speaker 4: both get zero? I don't think they'd be very happy 531 00:29:59,893 --> 00:30:04,613 Speaker 4: about that, But anyway, the viability of some grounds we 532 00:30:04,773 --> 00:30:08,893 Speaker 4: are obviously going to Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, p away in 533 00:30:09,053 --> 00:30:13,013 Speaker 4: Siliette for example. And then there's the other last thing 534 00:30:13,053 --> 00:30:16,693 Speaker 4: I know, all a couple of things. Marginalization of Zimbabwe, 535 00:30:16,893 --> 00:30:20,413 Speaker 4: Ireland and Afghanistan. That's an issue I think, and to 536 00:30:20,573 --> 00:30:26,093 Speaker 4: exclude them as they are anyway at the moment, and 537 00:30:26,613 --> 00:30:29,093 Speaker 4: then the points system would have to be organized and 538 00:30:29,213 --> 00:30:31,853 Speaker 4: overrates and all that sort of thing. The main point 539 00:30:31,893 --> 00:30:34,333 Speaker 4: I would make Wads is something you've just picked up on, 540 00:30:35,533 --> 00:30:40,573 Speaker 4: is it would need a consensus from all the countries 541 00:30:41,893 --> 00:30:45,493 Speaker 4: to show the will and to value the format enough 542 00:30:45,893 --> 00:30:48,693 Speaker 4: to run a proper league. And this is a proper 543 00:30:48,773 --> 00:30:52,173 Speaker 4: league he's talking about, and a fair league and to 544 00:30:52,293 --> 00:30:55,173 Speaker 4: produce the best sides at the end of it. Booth 545 00:30:55,253 --> 00:30:59,413 Speaker 4: doesn't talk about the final, does he. I don't think. 546 00:30:59,693 --> 00:31:02,573 Speaker 4: I don't think you could just have one match after 547 00:31:02,733 --> 00:31:06,493 Speaker 4: four years a final. I think you'd have to have 548 00:31:06,733 --> 00:31:11,653 Speaker 4: three matches, perhaps one in each of the finalists place 549 00:31:12,493 --> 00:31:16,213 Speaker 4: and then a neutral place, and that might be decided 550 00:31:16,253 --> 00:31:19,493 Speaker 4: by the flick of a coin. I don't know, yep, 551 00:31:20,133 --> 00:31:24,453 Speaker 4: so a third venue, I think so. The last point 552 00:31:24,453 --> 00:31:28,573 Speaker 4: would be for the size of this and there's over 553 00:31:28,653 --> 00:31:31,173 Speaker 4: three hundred tests and all of it aren't there is. 554 00:31:32,893 --> 00:31:36,933 Speaker 4: You can't just layer it onto what's existing already. There 555 00:31:36,933 --> 00:31:40,213 Speaker 4: will have to be changes made to other parts of 556 00:31:40,293 --> 00:31:46,133 Speaker 4: the schedule. It's a seismic shift in developing. Also, the 557 00:31:46,373 --> 00:31:50,933 Speaker 4: selfishness that exists at the moment around board to board 558 00:31:51,013 --> 00:31:55,413 Speaker 4: to board and looking after things for themselves that would 559 00:31:55,453 --> 00:31:58,013 Speaker 4: have that attitude would have to change. 560 00:31:59,053 --> 00:32:02,253 Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes it makes a real change. And that's 561 00:32:02,413 --> 00:32:05,813 Speaker 2: basically what is being suggested that some of these other 562 00:32:06,053 --> 00:32:10,013 Speaker 2: tours would be in its tess of that you'd be 563 00:32:10,093 --> 00:32:15,053 Speaker 2: then playing every side twice, one home, one away, so 564 00:32:15,213 --> 00:32:19,413 Speaker 2: you would get that to regular test contact. The issue 565 00:32:19,613 --> 00:32:26,813 Speaker 2: of Zimbabwe, Ireland, et cetera. That is a problem they 566 00:32:26,933 --> 00:32:30,853 Speaker 2: have to deal with because, as Lawrence Booth says, and 567 00:32:31,133 --> 00:32:33,973 Speaker 2: I think we probably agree, the tea system is probably 568 00:32:34,093 --> 00:32:37,733 Speaker 2: not a satisfactory way of going about it. But we 569 00:32:37,853 --> 00:32:43,213 Speaker 2: can't just have those extra countries Afghanistan, et cetera waiting 570 00:32:43,373 --> 00:32:46,253 Speaker 2: for the crumbs that drop their way because they have 571 00:32:46,333 --> 00:32:51,733 Speaker 2: to have an opportunity to get some experience. Twelve countries 572 00:32:52,173 --> 00:32:56,213 Speaker 2: makes it even harder to organize if you include those 573 00:32:56,773 --> 00:32:59,293 Speaker 2: in your group. So you know it is a challenge, 574 00:32:59,333 --> 00:33:01,213 Speaker 2: but I think it's a challenge that has to be 575 00:33:01,333 --> 00:33:05,733 Speaker 2: accepted and has to be dealt with. Otherwise the test 576 00:33:05,853 --> 00:33:09,653 Speaker 2: game is going to go into decline that some people 577 00:33:09,733 --> 00:33:13,453 Speaker 2: think it's inevitable. I don't want to get into that 578 00:33:13,773 --> 00:33:19,413 Speaker 2: inevitability club. But if something is not done to spread 579 00:33:20,133 --> 00:33:24,333 Speaker 2: the message amongst all the countries, then it will head 580 00:33:24,373 --> 00:33:25,773 Speaker 2: that way, won't it is? 581 00:33:25,813 --> 00:33:30,413 Speaker 4: It will, And we're not really growing the game, are we. 582 00:33:31,573 --> 00:33:35,893 Speaker 4: The game is not growing, And you know my feelings 583 00:33:35,933 --> 00:33:38,453 Speaker 4: about this. I think anybody should be able to play 584 00:33:38,973 --> 00:33:41,093 Speaker 4: a test as long as they have venues that are 585 00:33:41,133 --> 00:33:45,613 Speaker 4: suitable and they have various leagues going on around the world. 586 00:33:45,973 --> 00:33:50,493 Speaker 4: But that's big changes to people's attitudes words I can't 587 00:33:50,573 --> 00:33:52,773 Speaker 4: quite see it happening and I'm whispering. 588 00:33:52,413 --> 00:33:53,933 Speaker 3: That I can't quite see it. 589 00:33:54,813 --> 00:33:58,653 Speaker 2: You whispering goodness me. Yeah, yeah, well yeah, I agree 590 00:33:58,693 --> 00:34:01,693 Speaker 2: with you on that. But that becomes a tear system, 591 00:34:01,773 --> 00:34:04,453 Speaker 2: doesn't it, But to you know, with Lagre. But you've 592 00:34:04,493 --> 00:34:09,493 Speaker 2: got to do something to allow those sides like to develop. 593 00:34:09,853 --> 00:34:13,653 Speaker 2: You know, they appear along with Kenyere and the Netherlands 594 00:34:14,053 --> 00:34:20,213 Speaker 2: at our short form whiteball competitions. They need to get 595 00:34:20,293 --> 00:34:23,253 Speaker 2: the opportunity to develop their game through the test match. 596 00:34:23,333 --> 00:34:26,493 Speaker 2: So you know, there are challenges there, and if any 597 00:34:26,613 --> 00:34:30,533 Speaker 2: listener has an opinion on what we've been talking about, 598 00:34:31,013 --> 00:34:34,053 Speaker 2: then send us an email on the front foot twenty 599 00:34:34,413 --> 00:34:37,053 Speaker 2: at gmail dot com. On the Front Foot twenty at 600 00:34:37,093 --> 00:34:39,773 Speaker 2: gmail dot com. It's an interesting one because there are 601 00:34:40,293 --> 00:34:45,213 Speaker 2: different outcomes, aren't there. You're not going to get universal 602 00:34:45,253 --> 00:34:48,653 Speaker 2: agreement until you discuss it. You know, here we are 603 00:34:48,733 --> 00:34:52,653 Speaker 2: discussing Laurence Spoon's point of view and you know our agreement. 604 00:34:52,733 --> 00:34:54,933 Speaker 2: But there are things that have to be taken into 605 00:34:55,093 --> 00:35:00,853 Speaker 2: consideration and hopefully our international administrators will do that, not 606 00:35:01,053 --> 00:35:03,013 Speaker 2: just think about the money that's going into their pocket 607 00:35:03,413 --> 00:35:10,893 Speaker 2: because of some good deal they've done with some good company. Yes, 608 00:35:11,933 --> 00:35:15,173 Speaker 2: the World Test Championship isn't far away because the teams 609 00:35:15,653 --> 00:35:20,253 Speaker 2: or the squads for both countries have been chosen just quickly. 610 00:35:20,253 --> 00:35:22,053 Speaker 2: I don't know if you've seen the squads, but I 611 00:35:22,213 --> 00:35:24,773 Speaker 2: fancy Australia just at the moment in terms of the 612 00:35:24,853 --> 00:35:27,853 Speaker 2: balance that they've got. But you can never discount South 613 00:35:27,893 --> 00:35:30,693 Speaker 2: Africa in any form of the competition. But they don't 614 00:35:30,733 --> 00:35:32,533 Speaker 2: have a history of winning the big ones, do they. 615 00:35:33,293 --> 00:35:36,213 Speaker 4: They don't fighters all the way, aren't they? Though they're 616 00:35:36,373 --> 00:35:41,773 Speaker 4: very competitive people generally. I think i'd agree if you 617 00:35:41,893 --> 00:35:45,493 Speaker 4: wanted to put a favoritism tag to either of the side, 618 00:35:45,493 --> 00:35:52,333 Speaker 4: you'd probably say Australia slightly. Yeah, the Australia seem to 619 00:35:52,413 --> 00:35:55,253 Speaker 4: have a little question mark about who will be in 620 00:35:55,373 --> 00:36:00,493 Speaker 4: their top three? Will they for example, while Constance is there, 621 00:36:02,493 --> 00:36:04,533 Speaker 4: will they choose them? And if they choose them, they 622 00:36:04,613 --> 00:36:08,613 Speaker 4: can't kind of fit Green into the side, and they 623 00:36:08,653 --> 00:36:10,853 Speaker 4: will want to do that if he is fit. He's 624 00:36:10,933 --> 00:36:16,213 Speaker 4: come back into the the squad. Hummins's course has come 625 00:36:16,333 --> 00:36:20,933 Speaker 4: back as well. So Webster Webster, well, bo Webster has 626 00:36:21,013 --> 00:36:24,653 Speaker 4: been there and he kind of covers Green, doesn't he 627 00:36:24,733 --> 00:36:26,133 Speaker 4: He's a tall lad. 628 00:36:26,173 --> 00:36:28,613 Speaker 3: He bowls with me. He bats and he's kick. He 629 00:36:28,693 --> 00:36:34,173 Speaker 3: also feels in the slips quite useful. So it's just 630 00:36:34,253 --> 00:36:35,533 Speaker 3: a question of who's. 631 00:36:35,293 --> 00:36:38,893 Speaker 4: Going to open with Kwaja. Are you going to push 632 00:36:39,053 --> 00:36:42,973 Speaker 4: Laboshane up or are you going to put someone like 633 00:36:43,373 --> 00:36:45,453 Speaker 4: Ingless who's been around for a while. You're going to 634 00:36:45,493 --> 00:36:48,413 Speaker 4: put head up there after the moving ball or leave 635 00:36:48,493 --> 00:36:54,013 Speaker 4: him at five. So Labershane, Smith, Green Webster carry then 636 00:36:54,133 --> 00:36:57,173 Speaker 4: right down you can. You know. The people who are 637 00:36:57,213 --> 00:37:01,173 Speaker 4: going to miss out probably are people like Doggett, who's 638 00:37:01,293 --> 00:37:02,493 Speaker 4: who's people. 639 00:37:02,373 --> 00:37:03,013 Speaker 3: Might not know him. 640 00:37:03,013 --> 00:37:06,493 Speaker 4: He's a wicket taker in the final. Wasn't he poon 641 00:37:06,533 --> 00:37:11,213 Speaker 4: him in the left left arm spinner Constance. I've mentioned Engless, 642 00:37:11,293 --> 00:37:14,773 Speaker 4: the keeper and the batsman, and then Boland Boland they 643 00:37:14,853 --> 00:37:18,253 Speaker 4: might feel might come and may be for Hazelwood. Don't 644 00:37:18,333 --> 00:37:23,173 Speaker 4: know whether he's completely fit yet or not. Well, yeah, 645 00:37:24,853 --> 00:37:28,613 Speaker 4: he he is, that's right, and he's very direct and. 646 00:37:28,693 --> 00:37:29,773 Speaker 3: At you the whole time. 647 00:37:32,333 --> 00:37:36,693 Speaker 4: So so yeah, so it's an interesting one. The South 648 00:37:36,733 --> 00:37:40,293 Speaker 4: Africans ones very quickly. Top ordered Desaucei, the left hander 649 00:37:41,173 --> 00:37:44,613 Speaker 4: Ryan Rickleton and Aden Markram and then in the middle 650 00:37:44,733 --> 00:37:48,373 Speaker 4: order timber Bavooma, David Beddingham who came out here. You know, 651 00:37:48,413 --> 00:37:52,133 Speaker 4: the right handed bat's quite nicely, and the younger hand Tristan, yeah, 652 00:37:52,213 --> 00:37:56,573 Speaker 4: and Tristan Stubbs Veraina the keeper, and then the two 653 00:37:56,653 --> 00:37:59,453 Speaker 4: all round is Marco Jansson. People will know the left 654 00:37:59,573 --> 00:38:03,973 Speaker 4: armor tall and we are molder a right arm Seemer 655 00:38:04,613 --> 00:38:08,053 Speaker 4: and then Rabarda's back there now and also Gide is 656 00:38:08,093 --> 00:38:11,373 Speaker 4: there as well, Maharaj. They you know, they've got some 657 00:38:11,493 --> 00:38:18,213 Speaker 4: good players, but whether they've got players that can grab 658 00:38:18,293 --> 00:38:26,093 Speaker 4: a match like a Head, you know, Travis Head, I'm 659 00:38:26,133 --> 00:38:29,413 Speaker 4: not quite so sure they have that. And the bowling 660 00:38:29,493 --> 00:38:33,853 Speaker 4: I think from coming Stark Hazlewood or Bowland and Lion 661 00:38:34,773 --> 00:38:39,813 Speaker 4: just a little bit perhaps more threatening than the South 662 00:38:39,853 --> 00:38:41,093 Speaker 4: Avenge without North here. 663 00:38:43,413 --> 00:38:46,773 Speaker 2: Yes, interesting, we will look a little bit more closely 664 00:38:46,813 --> 00:38:49,693 Speaker 2: at that. There's an opportunity for you to be there, 665 00:38:49,733 --> 00:38:51,693 Speaker 2: I think too, isn't he Yep. 666 00:38:51,533 --> 00:38:53,533 Speaker 3: I'll be there once hopefully if I can limp the 667 00:38:53,613 --> 00:38:54,053 Speaker 3: way there. 668 00:38:54,893 --> 00:38:56,613 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure you'll be able to do that. 669 00:38:57,973 --> 00:39:00,973 Speaker 3: It's set off for a little bit, yeah, you know. 670 00:39:01,053 --> 00:39:04,813 Speaker 2: Like tomorrow. It's an event, look, just a quick one finally, 671 00:39:05,933 --> 00:39:08,933 Speaker 2: and it's come from the title in cricket you've never 672 00:39:09,133 --> 00:39:12,013 Speaker 2: seen at all. The Asia qualifier for the twenty twenty 673 00:39:12,053 --> 00:39:14,933 Speaker 2: six Women's Tea twenty World Cup in Thailand, the UAE 674 00:39:15,493 --> 00:39:19,173 Speaker 2: were getting twitchy because of the weather conditions. They got 675 00:39:19,213 --> 00:39:21,693 Speaker 2: to one hundred and ninety two for none and sixteen 676 00:39:21,733 --> 00:39:25,413 Speaker 2: ovens against Kuta, but rain was looming. They wanted to declare, 677 00:39:25,493 --> 00:39:27,813 Speaker 2: they weren't allowed to. You can't declare in a short 678 00:39:27,893 --> 00:39:31,013 Speaker 2: form game. So what they did was they retired all 679 00:39:31,053 --> 00:39:33,213 Speaker 2: their bats when they walked out to the middle, retired 680 00:39:33,253 --> 00:39:35,613 Speaker 2: and came out and so they were able to win 681 00:39:35,733 --> 00:39:41,413 Speaker 2: the game. They dispatched Qatar for something like thirty two 682 00:39:41,453 --> 00:39:43,733 Speaker 2: I think it was. It was. It wasn't a very 683 00:39:43,773 --> 00:39:46,813 Speaker 2: good performance, but it brings to mind some of those 684 00:39:46,893 --> 00:39:51,533 Speaker 2: incidentss of how you can manufacture the result of a game. 685 00:39:51,613 --> 00:39:55,013 Speaker 2: And you and I both thought of seventy seven runs 686 00:39:55,053 --> 00:39:58,653 Speaker 2: from and over about how to manufacture a result Bert 687 00:39:58,773 --> 00:40:01,813 Speaker 2: vance Bowling against Canterbury in nineteen ninety. 688 00:40:02,653 --> 00:40:04,893 Speaker 3: Yep, looking for a result on the last day. 689 00:40:04,973 --> 00:40:08,213 Speaker 4: They fed them runs with Bert Bowling deliberate no ball 690 00:40:09,053 --> 00:40:12,693 Speaker 4: keeping the thing going. And I think who was the 691 00:40:12,733 --> 00:40:14,973 Speaker 4: wicketkeeper who captain for New Zealand as well? 692 00:40:15,053 --> 00:40:16,453 Speaker 3: He got about a hundred and sixty. 693 00:40:16,893 --> 00:40:19,453 Speaker 4: Yeah, got one hundred and sixty odd not out, didn't 694 00:40:19,493 --> 00:40:22,973 Speaker 4: he in that innings as well? Yeah, ittis it's an 695 00:40:23,013 --> 00:40:27,253 Speaker 4: interesting one. Quite clever work by you know the UAE captain. 696 00:40:27,413 --> 00:40:29,733 Speaker 4: Wasn't it ready to go out and say to the amps, look, 697 00:40:29,733 --> 00:40:33,933 Speaker 4: can we declare no you can't. Well, then I'm going 698 00:40:34,013 --> 00:40:37,453 Speaker 4: to retire all my batsmen out because they were numbed 699 00:40:37,493 --> 00:40:41,813 Speaker 4: down at that point for about Yeah, they had about 700 00:40:41,813 --> 00:40:45,333 Speaker 4: one hundred and ninety and the rain was coming. I 701 00:40:45,453 --> 00:40:48,573 Speaker 4: think there are two ways of retiring. 702 00:40:48,693 --> 00:40:49,093 Speaker 3: Of course. 703 00:40:49,173 --> 00:40:52,893 Speaker 4: You can be either injured or ill, and you get 704 00:40:52,933 --> 00:40:56,733 Speaker 4: the umpire's permission. In that case, off you go, and 705 00:40:57,253 --> 00:40:59,533 Speaker 4: if you get better you can come back out again, 706 00:40:59,613 --> 00:41:02,613 Speaker 4: can't you. The other way, of course, is to be 707 00:41:03,253 --> 00:41:07,453 Speaker 4: retired out, nothing to do with the amp. You retire 708 00:41:07,493 --> 00:41:14,973 Speaker 4: yourself out, doesn't need umpire permission at all. If you're 709 00:41:14,973 --> 00:41:18,053 Speaker 4: retired not out, of course the umpire has he can 710 00:41:18,133 --> 00:41:20,893 Speaker 4: stop you. He said, I don't believe you. I think 711 00:41:20,933 --> 00:41:24,293 Speaker 4: you're fine, you're not ill at all. He can do that. 712 00:41:26,573 --> 00:41:30,173 Speaker 3: So, but if you're retired out you can't and you're 713 00:41:30,213 --> 00:41:31,293 Speaker 3: not allowed to return. 714 00:41:32,693 --> 00:41:37,413 Speaker 4: But if suddenly was the rain that was coming in 715 00:41:37,493 --> 00:41:42,853 Speaker 4: this match. Suddenly a vicious wind came in and blew 716 00:41:42,933 --> 00:41:48,253 Speaker 4: it all away. And suddenly the batting captain who's retired 717 00:41:48,293 --> 00:41:50,933 Speaker 4: them all out wants to change their decision. In their mind, 718 00:41:52,213 --> 00:41:56,413 Speaker 4: they seek to reinstate some of the retired batsmen. You 719 00:41:56,533 --> 00:41:58,933 Speaker 4: can ask for that, but you've got to ask the 720 00:41:59,013 --> 00:42:02,693 Speaker 4: opposing captain, and that captain, the one in the field, 721 00:42:03,453 --> 00:42:07,773 Speaker 4: has the final say, and I'm not sure they. I'm 722 00:42:07,813 --> 00:42:12,973 Speaker 4: not sure they would say yeah, go ahead. So that's 723 00:42:13,373 --> 00:42:17,533 Speaker 4: that's the rule as it happened. It has happened. In 724 00:42:17,613 --> 00:42:23,493 Speaker 4: Test cricket two thousand and one, Marvin Artapatu and mahala 725 00:42:23,573 --> 00:42:28,573 Speaker 4: Jaia Wardener both retired themselves out against Bangladesh two thousand 726 00:42:28,573 --> 00:42:31,733 Speaker 4: and one. They'd got their runs and they wanted the 727 00:42:31,813 --> 00:42:35,573 Speaker 4: rest of the team to have some batting practice. And 728 00:42:35,693 --> 00:42:39,093 Speaker 4: it was thought very poorly of the whole thing. They 729 00:42:39,133 --> 00:42:41,973 Speaker 4: should have either missed a straight one or hit one 730 00:42:42,053 --> 00:42:44,973 Speaker 4: up in the air or whatever you like. But you 731 00:42:45,093 --> 00:42:49,093 Speaker 4: don't retire yourself out, I don't think too in order 732 00:42:49,173 --> 00:42:51,533 Speaker 4: for other batsmen to have a crack. And the other 733 00:42:51,653 --> 00:42:54,933 Speaker 4: time I could find that used wads was this quite 734 00:42:54,933 --> 00:42:59,293 Speaker 4: a nice one actually, West Indies playing India nineteen. 735 00:42:59,053 --> 00:42:59,773 Speaker 3: Eighty two. 736 00:43:01,373 --> 00:43:05,013 Speaker 4: Fifth Test match. Gordon Greenwich got one hundred and fifty 737 00:43:05,053 --> 00:43:09,013 Speaker 4: four not out. Overnight he got new that his two 738 00:43:09,093 --> 00:43:15,253 Speaker 4: year old daughter was critically ill and so he retired 739 00:43:15,893 --> 00:43:19,653 Speaker 4: retired out because you know, there was no injury to 740 00:43:19,773 --> 00:43:23,253 Speaker 4: him and he wasn't ill. And so he flew off 741 00:43:23,413 --> 00:43:26,613 Speaker 4: that night from Antigua where the game was being played, 742 00:43:27,013 --> 00:43:31,293 Speaker 4: to Barbados, where his daughter was in hospital, and he 743 00:43:31,453 --> 00:43:34,533 Speaker 4: visited them. She was being treated there, but she died 744 00:43:34,613 --> 00:43:39,213 Speaker 4: two days later and Greenidge took no further part in 745 00:43:39,293 --> 00:43:44,053 Speaker 4: the match. And then as a mark of respect, keppel 746 00:43:44,133 --> 00:43:48,893 Speaker 4: Dev the Indian captain, granted an exemption to Greenwich and 747 00:43:49,013 --> 00:43:52,813 Speaker 4: he was recorded retired not out. So the difference was 748 00:43:53,173 --> 00:43:55,773 Speaker 4: he didn't have the average. You know, it wasn't counted 749 00:43:55,813 --> 00:43:58,973 Speaker 4: as out, if you know what I mean. So those 750 00:43:59,053 --> 00:44:01,973 Speaker 4: are the two things. It's more tactical in t twenties, 751 00:44:02,013 --> 00:44:05,373 Speaker 4: isn't it. People can retire themselves out because they're not 752 00:44:05,413 --> 00:44:06,493 Speaker 4: scoring fast enough. 753 00:44:07,493 --> 00:44:10,733 Speaker 2: And the reason why declarations weren't allowed that it stems 754 00:44:10,773 --> 00:44:13,613 Speaker 2: back to nineteen seventy nine when Brian Rose in Somerset 755 00:44:14,173 --> 00:44:18,493 Speaker 2: declared at one without loss against Glenn Turner's Worcestershire who 756 00:44:18,613 --> 00:44:21,573 Speaker 2: got one of the runs to win the game. It's 757 00:44:21,613 --> 00:44:23,653 Speaker 2: a long story and we haven't got time to go 758 00:44:23,853 --> 00:44:29,413 Speaker 2: through it, but that's why the English County Cricket Board 759 00:44:29,453 --> 00:44:35,773 Speaker 2: decided that declarations were not the required thing. I don't 760 00:44:35,813 --> 00:44:38,133 Speaker 2: know whether it's a possibility that it may come back, 761 00:44:38,173 --> 00:44:41,653 Speaker 2: who knows. But on that note, Jerry, we come to 762 00:44:41,693 --> 00:44:43,973 Speaker 2: an end of another on the front foot. I hope 763 00:44:43,973 --> 00:44:47,493 Speaker 2: you're resting well and we'll be able to talk again 764 00:44:47,573 --> 00:44:51,853 Speaker 2: next week. To enjoy some more of crickets, many happenings. 765 00:44:52,893 --> 00:44:58,053 Speaker 4: Thanks words, enjoyed it and quite unusual things happen in cricket, 766 00:44:58,093 --> 00:45:00,493 Speaker 4: don't they. I mean, you couldn't really make it up 767 00:45:00,613 --> 00:45:01,453 Speaker 4: some of these things. 768 00:45:08,373 --> 00:45:12,373 Speaker 2: Ease Upsoma sing do do 769 00:45:16,213 --> 00:45:18,773 Speaker 1: For more from News Talks at b Listen live on 770 00:45:18,933 --> 00:45:21,853 Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever 771 00:45:21,933 --> 00:45:24,453 Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.