1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sat B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:15,173 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 3 00:00:15,333 --> 00:00:19,533 Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. 4 00:00:21,333 --> 00:00:26,333 Speaker 2: Take it It's trick, it is out, The test is over, 5 00:00:28,973 --> 00:00:32,933 Speaker 2: smokes a beauty, It is out and here you goes 6 00:00:33,013 --> 00:00:34,013 Speaker 2: this delivery has. 7 00:00:33,973 --> 00:00:35,053 Speaker 3: Any users to go. 8 00:00:37,693 --> 00:00:41,093 Speaker 1: On the front foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody, 9 00:00:41,413 --> 00:00:45,293 Speaker 1: powered by News Talks head B at iHeart Radio. 10 00:00:47,933 --> 00:00:51,693 Speaker 2: Hello, Rebecka ken on the front foot the black Cats 11 00:00:51,853 --> 00:00:55,893 Speaker 2: were they bullied out of the chapel Headley The coach 12 00:00:56,053 --> 00:00:58,093 Speaker 2: is to be fair, we were a little bit of 13 00:00:58,373 --> 00:01:01,933 Speaker 2: our best games, a little bit off. Have we learned 14 00:01:01,933 --> 00:01:05,933 Speaker 2: anything other than not playing international cricket in October? Some 15 00:01:06,013 --> 00:01:09,733 Speaker 2: bright spots from the rain effected series, our white fans 16 00:01:09,733 --> 00:01:14,773 Speaker 2: slipping out of World Cup semi final contenion, greed, governance issues, 17 00:01:14,853 --> 00:01:20,453 Speaker 2: testing the boundaries and we remember this something poor old 18 00:01:20,493 --> 00:01:25,093 Speaker 2: Malcolm Nash would not want to remember. That's all coming 19 00:01:25,173 --> 00:01:28,493 Speaker 2: up on the front foard with Peter Holland who's joined 20 00:01:28,573 --> 00:01:31,733 Speaker 2: us along with Jeremy Kenney and out muscled with the 21 00:01:31,773 --> 00:01:35,853 Speaker 2: bat JC or was it just one man who outmuscled us? 22 00:01:36,093 --> 00:01:38,373 Speaker 2: We weren't in the contest, really were. 23 00:01:38,173 --> 00:01:42,173 Speaker 4: We No, I think that Ozzie was superior probably all 24 00:01:42,293 --> 00:01:47,093 Speaker 4: round words, but yes, muscled certainly by one man. He 25 00:01:47,213 --> 00:01:51,453 Speaker 4: dominated the whole well two and a bit games, didn't 26 00:01:51,453 --> 00:01:56,173 Speaker 4: He loads of players missing, of course from both sides, 27 00:01:56,253 --> 00:02:01,893 Speaker 4: so that increased the experimental kind of atmosphere. The conditions, 28 00:02:02,613 --> 00:02:08,693 Speaker 4: well you've mentioned them, really average at best to the 29 00:02:08,733 --> 00:02:11,973 Speaker 4: ground staff. By the way, the ball that just nipped 30 00:02:11,973 --> 00:02:14,653 Speaker 4: a bit, and the spinners had sort of hand warmers, 31 00:02:14,653 --> 00:02:19,293 Speaker 4: didn't They must have been freezing. Game two was actually 32 00:02:19,373 --> 00:02:21,733 Speaker 4: kind of almost dangerous to the fielders, wasn't it, with 33 00:02:21,813 --> 00:02:25,853 Speaker 4: the knees digging into the ground now that they had 34 00:02:25,893 --> 00:02:26,653 Speaker 4: to come and. 35 00:02:26,813 --> 00:02:27,933 Speaker 3: Sort of fix each time. 36 00:02:28,053 --> 00:02:33,333 Speaker 4: Miserable weather, miserable, nothing like sitting on a sloping bankers 37 00:02:33,333 --> 00:02:34,693 Speaker 4: there in the freezing cold. 38 00:02:36,453 --> 00:02:38,213 Speaker 2: Not the time of year we want to be watching 39 00:02:38,213 --> 00:02:42,173 Speaker 2: crickets in well, anywhere, and we picked probably one of 40 00:02:42,213 --> 00:02:45,093 Speaker 2: the best places you can go. Whetherwise it didn't front 41 00:02:45,173 --> 00:02:46,613 Speaker 2: up most What did you make of it all? 42 00:02:47,013 --> 00:02:50,893 Speaker 5: It did look miserable on television my lor, But what 43 00:02:51,013 --> 00:02:55,213 Speaker 5: I would say is what possessed people and in scheduling 44 00:02:55,253 --> 00:02:57,853 Speaker 5: the games to start at seven point fifteen when we 45 00:02:57,893 --> 00:03:02,613 Speaker 5: had daylight saving way on the Saturdays and Friday matches. 46 00:03:02,653 --> 00:03:05,973 Speaker 5: Couldn't they be starting at four point thirty five end 47 00:03:06,013 --> 00:03:08,853 Speaker 5: of the day. There wasn't too much conflict thing in 48 00:03:08,973 --> 00:03:13,493 Speaker 5: terms of other other activities. It just looked ghastly. It 49 00:03:13,613 --> 00:03:15,773 Speaker 5: still had quite good people there, but but you know, 50 00:03:15,813 --> 00:03:21,173 Speaker 5: nothing better than watching cricket in daylight's. 51 00:03:19,573 --> 00:03:26,093 Speaker 3: Observation, certainly on the Saturday most absolutely, And I just I. 52 00:03:26,093 --> 00:03:30,813 Speaker 5: Just think I just scratches, scratch my head on on 53 00:03:30,813 --> 00:03:34,493 Speaker 5: on what happened there. I think New Zealand came in underdone. 54 00:03:35,533 --> 00:03:38,813 Speaker 5: Whereas Australia had already been playing in the in the 55 00:03:38,853 --> 00:03:42,653 Speaker 5: warm climbs of Northern Australia, in in in the territory 56 00:03:42,853 --> 00:03:46,773 Speaker 5: and in far North Queensland, they just came in looking 57 00:03:46,853 --> 00:03:50,373 Speaker 5: far well, far better. That's said. We're not for for 58 00:03:50,533 --> 00:03:52,453 Speaker 5: Mitch Marsha, I'm a bit of a fan of because 59 00:03:52,453 --> 00:03:55,533 Speaker 5: he seems like a very very good rooster, but a 60 00:03:55,653 --> 00:04:00,213 Speaker 5: damn fine player, you know. But for one hundred that 61 00:04:00,293 --> 00:04:02,733 Speaker 5: he scored, there wasn't much else coming from Australia. But 62 00:04:03,173 --> 00:04:06,293 Speaker 5: I just think we looked underdone. And I use that 63 00:04:06,413 --> 00:04:09,253 Speaker 5: you use the word out muscled words and I probably 64 00:04:09,253 --> 00:04:12,773 Speaker 5: agree with you. There a couple of bright spots, Tim Robinson, 65 00:04:12,973 --> 00:04:18,333 Speaker 5: very much so, and let's not forget your minition good contribution. 66 00:04:19,173 --> 00:04:22,693 Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, well that bright spot that we can reflect 67 00:04:22,693 --> 00:04:25,333 Speaker 2: on the batting of Tim Robinson in game one. I mean, 68 00:04:25,333 --> 00:04:27,733 Speaker 2: he's always been a player with talent glimpses at time 69 00:04:27,893 --> 00:04:30,613 Speaker 2: of what he could do. Remember the super smash at 70 00:04:30,613 --> 00:04:32,493 Speaker 2: the base reserve when he scored one hundred and thirty 71 00:04:32,533 --> 00:04:35,453 Speaker 2: nine against Otaga marked him down as a player of 72 00:04:35,493 --> 00:04:39,693 Speaker 2: the future, but he's reluctant to acknowledge this particular rings 73 00:04:39,693 --> 00:04:42,973 Speaker 2: against Australia as a breakthrough in terms of future selection. 74 00:04:43,533 --> 00:04:45,853 Speaker 6: I think that's always going to get you unraveled when 75 00:04:45,893 --> 00:04:48,933 Speaker 6: you are thinking ahead and not thinking about trying to 76 00:04:48,973 --> 00:04:51,213 Speaker 6: win a game and trying to be for your team 77 00:04:51,253 --> 00:04:53,253 Speaker 6: in the best position that you possibly can. And that's 78 00:04:53,293 --> 00:04:56,573 Speaker 6: the brand of credit we play here, and it's to me, 79 00:04:56,653 --> 00:04:58,293 Speaker 6: it's the best. It's the best brand doing what you 80 00:04:58,333 --> 00:05:02,013 Speaker 6: can for the team in that moment. And so you 81 00:05:02,053 --> 00:05:04,853 Speaker 6: know what comes of this comes of this, But you know, 82 00:05:04,893 --> 00:05:08,653 Speaker 6: I'm just pretty happy to try and perform for my team, 83 00:05:08,653 --> 00:05:10,813 Speaker 6: albeit in a losing losing cause. 84 00:05:10,853 --> 00:05:14,013 Speaker 2: Today, how important was it taking time just to get 85 00:05:14,053 --> 00:05:15,653 Speaker 2: the conditions at the start. 86 00:05:16,333 --> 00:05:17,253 Speaker 7: Yeah, one hundred percent. 87 00:05:17,293 --> 00:05:20,493 Speaker 6: I think cricket ebbs and flows, and I know that's cliche, 88 00:05:20,613 --> 00:05:22,453 Speaker 6: but you've sort of got to keep telling yourself that 89 00:05:22,493 --> 00:05:24,973 Speaker 6: when you're out there, because some days you're getting over 90 00:05:25,013 --> 00:05:27,333 Speaker 6: that goes with fifteen and you're flying, and then the 91 00:05:27,373 --> 00:05:30,813 Speaker 6: next over goes for three or four, and so it's 92 00:05:30,893 --> 00:05:32,333 Speaker 6: just one of those things where you've got to keep 93 00:05:32,333 --> 00:05:34,613 Speaker 6: telling yourself that it's going to be okay, it's all good. 94 00:05:35,493 --> 00:05:37,853 Speaker 6: So that's what I was telling myself out there, was 95 00:05:38,213 --> 00:05:40,253 Speaker 6: trying and get through it and get your teeth and 96 00:05:40,373 --> 00:05:42,333 Speaker 6: go through the hard parts and it'll you know, it's 97 00:05:42,373 --> 00:05:43,733 Speaker 6: light at the end of the tunne, I suppose, and 98 00:05:43,733 --> 00:05:44,773 Speaker 6: in little mini sections. 99 00:05:44,773 --> 00:05:47,413 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I'm sure it was encouraging. In the 100 00:05:47,453 --> 00:05:48,373 Speaker 2: Reset partnership. 101 00:05:48,733 --> 00:05:50,093 Speaker 6: I think there was a it was a little bit 102 00:05:50,093 --> 00:05:52,813 Speaker 6: twofold there because that there was obviously quite a heavy 103 00:05:52,813 --> 00:05:54,773 Speaker 6: wind towards that league side, and it was my matchup, 104 00:05:54,813 --> 00:05:56,693 Speaker 6: I suppose, And what we talk what we talk about 105 00:05:56,693 --> 00:05:59,373 Speaker 6: as a team is making the most of your matchups. 106 00:05:59,373 --> 00:06:02,733 Speaker 6: So you know, I certainly I'll certainly be buying them 107 00:06:02,733 --> 00:06:05,533 Speaker 6: a beer later, but that's not to say that wasn't 108 00:06:05,573 --> 00:06:08,853 Speaker 6: for the team as well, so yeah, but he he 109 00:06:08,973 --> 00:06:10,293 Speaker 6: is the kind of guy that would do something like 110 00:06:10,333 --> 00:06:10,693 Speaker 6: that as well. 111 00:06:10,733 --> 00:06:11,613 Speaker 7: He's a fantastic guy. 112 00:06:11,853 --> 00:06:15,293 Speaker 2: In that final over one hundred seemed to be slipping away. 113 00:06:15,573 --> 00:06:16,573 Speaker 2: You had to be innovative. 114 00:06:16,853 --> 00:06:17,893 Speaker 7: I think I had to. 115 00:06:17,973 --> 00:06:19,773 Speaker 6: I think my decision was made for me given the 116 00:06:19,773 --> 00:06:23,413 Speaker 6: fact that he that dwarfius but now its last two 117 00:06:23,533 --> 00:06:26,053 Speaker 6: wide Yorkers, and I hate to get it to the fence, 118 00:06:26,093 --> 00:06:29,733 Speaker 6: and I think that was my that was my number 119 00:06:29,733 --> 00:06:31,373 Speaker 6: one option at the time, and sort of tried to 120 00:06:31,373 --> 00:06:33,893 Speaker 6: back it and went to it, and luckily it came off. 121 00:06:33,893 --> 00:06:35,613 Speaker 6: Those those shots are always sort of fifty to fifty. 122 00:06:35,653 --> 00:06:38,973 Speaker 2: I suppose what partner the experience of Daryl Mitchill play 123 00:06:39,013 --> 00:06:42,453 Speaker 2: in forging the partnership and getting through to a respectable total. 124 00:06:42,893 --> 00:06:45,653 Speaker 6: So Darryl came out and was very clear on the 125 00:06:45,693 --> 00:06:47,533 Speaker 6: fact that he wanted to still be positive in the 126 00:06:47,533 --> 00:06:48,853 Speaker 6: power play and make the most of it. 127 00:06:48,973 --> 00:06:51,493 Speaker 7: And we're sort of. 128 00:06:51,413 --> 00:06:53,933 Speaker 6: Thinking were try and react to what we'd been given 129 00:06:54,293 --> 00:06:56,973 Speaker 6: and try and hit the boundary balls for four or 130 00:06:57,013 --> 00:07:00,733 Speaker 6: six or make the most of them. He was instrumental 131 00:07:00,773 --> 00:07:05,053 Speaker 6: in giving us an extra kickstart over those those I 132 00:07:05,093 --> 00:07:09,373 Speaker 6: suppose over those early wickets. My philosophy on T twenty 133 00:07:09,413 --> 00:07:11,853 Speaker 6: cricket is taking the right risk at the right time, 134 00:07:12,493 --> 00:07:16,453 Speaker 6: and so I thought the deeper that we could have 135 00:07:16,493 --> 00:07:19,893 Speaker 6: taken it, the I suppose better chance we had of 136 00:07:20,293 --> 00:07:20,733 Speaker 6: making a. 137 00:07:20,693 --> 00:07:22,133 Speaker 7: Good, decent, decent score. 138 00:07:23,133 --> 00:07:25,413 Speaker 6: So yeah, I think those those moments you look back 139 00:07:25,453 --> 00:07:27,453 Speaker 6: on them and can be can be pivotal, pivotal. 140 00:07:27,533 --> 00:07:29,173 Speaker 7: You know, one falls slightly. 141 00:07:30,293 --> 00:07:32,093 Speaker 6: To the right or left of a fielder and and 142 00:07:32,133 --> 00:07:34,493 Speaker 6: you've got a little bit of momentum back and Darrel 143 00:07:34,573 --> 00:07:37,413 Speaker 6: was instrumental and and sort of grabbing that momentum and 144 00:07:37,413 --> 00:07:39,093 Speaker 6: we kind of rolled with it through the middle stages. 145 00:07:39,413 --> 00:07:40,413 Speaker 2: What were you most proud of? 146 00:07:40,773 --> 00:07:44,653 Speaker 7: I think the way the timing of the innings. 147 00:07:44,693 --> 00:07:49,573 Speaker 6: I think because previously, I suppose a less mature tim 148 00:07:49,573 --> 00:07:51,813 Speaker 6: would would have just gone out and tried to whack everything. 149 00:07:53,213 --> 00:07:55,933 Speaker 6: But I suppose I think there's still an element of 150 00:07:56,253 --> 00:07:58,453 Speaker 6: trying to play the game situation in T twenty cricket, 151 00:07:58,533 --> 00:08:02,613 Speaker 6: and and whether that is you're feeling good and it's 152 00:08:02,613 --> 00:08:04,373 Speaker 6: trying to add every bull for six, or whether it's 153 00:08:04,453 --> 00:08:07,813 Speaker 6: not and we're three down and and you know, and 154 00:08:08,013 --> 00:08:10,133 Speaker 6: trying to grab a little momentum backet's how do you 155 00:08:10,173 --> 00:08:10,413 Speaker 6: do that? 156 00:08:10,453 --> 00:08:12,533 Speaker 7: And how do you do that with less risk? And 157 00:08:13,053 --> 00:08:15,213 Speaker 7: so that's sort of what I try and try and 158 00:08:15,253 --> 00:08:16,413 Speaker 7: do with the T twenty betting. 159 00:08:16,573 --> 00:08:18,973 Speaker 2: Now, I suppose I think he's got a fairly common 160 00:08:18,973 --> 00:08:22,133 Speaker 2: sense attitude to what he's doing at the top level. 161 00:08:22,613 --> 00:08:25,093 Speaker 2: He's got to speak now, you know, team first, has 162 00:08:25,133 --> 00:08:30,173 Speaker 2: any Jerry in terms of how he's preparing himself? 163 00:08:30,493 --> 00:08:33,293 Speaker 4: Oh dear, I mean, you know we've heard it so 164 00:08:33,373 --> 00:08:35,813 Speaker 4: many times, all the answers, haven't we, all three of us, 165 00:08:36,013 --> 00:08:39,093 Speaker 4: in a way that you come to sort of think, oh, well, 166 00:08:39,093 --> 00:08:41,013 Speaker 4: he's doing at that one. He's playing that little one, 167 00:08:41,133 --> 00:08:45,213 Speaker 4: is he? So I'm sure he means it. I think 168 00:08:45,253 --> 00:08:48,293 Speaker 4: that's a good way to go. Most sides have a 169 00:08:48,293 --> 00:08:51,213 Speaker 4: bit of both, don't they. They have players who really 170 00:08:51,333 --> 00:08:53,573 Speaker 4: enjoy the team atmosphere and want the team to go 171 00:08:53,693 --> 00:08:57,253 Speaker 4: well and hold that as the main kind of principal 172 00:08:57,373 --> 00:09:01,573 Speaker 4: sort about why they're playing. Others like to go more 173 00:09:01,613 --> 00:09:04,813 Speaker 4: of the personal way and say, look, if I do 174 00:09:04,933 --> 00:09:08,053 Speaker 4: my job well, then the team is going to benefit. 175 00:09:08,533 --> 00:09:10,773 Speaker 4: And so you know, there are those two. They're the 176 00:09:10,853 --> 00:09:13,573 Speaker 4: main main two sort of drivers. 177 00:09:13,613 --> 00:09:14,093 Speaker 3: If you like. 178 00:09:14,173 --> 00:09:17,893 Speaker 4: It seems to me, but New Zealand just simply didn't 179 00:09:17,893 --> 00:09:20,813 Speaker 4: make enough runs and seeming conditions, they lost the toss 180 00:09:20,973 --> 00:09:25,293 Speaker 4: a couple of times, didn't they, and and found themselves 181 00:09:25,333 --> 00:09:30,093 Speaker 4: against I thought the Aussie bowlers, Hazelwood, Abbott, Bartlett Dorsches 182 00:09:30,613 --> 00:09:33,533 Speaker 4: were all just a little bit more accurate. They were 183 00:09:33,533 --> 00:09:36,133 Speaker 4: all able to bowl their Yorkers when it was required 184 00:09:36,253 --> 00:09:40,013 Speaker 4: later and they were always able to bowl that wide yorker, 185 00:09:40,093 --> 00:09:45,173 Speaker 4: particularly Hazelwood, and he bowled. He reeled off four at 186 00:09:45,173 --> 00:09:47,133 Speaker 4: the start, didn't end the last game, but I mean, 187 00:09:48,053 --> 00:09:51,133 Speaker 4: I just felt they were a wee bit better all round. 188 00:09:51,213 --> 00:09:53,693 Speaker 4: Their skills were a wee bit better than ours. 189 00:09:54,013 --> 00:09:56,373 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair enough too. I mean in terms of 190 00:09:56,453 --> 00:10:00,333 Speaker 2: Robinson though most you've got to give him some credit 191 00:10:00,333 --> 00:10:02,093 Speaker 2: for that. That's a pretty good knock. There were six 192 00:10:02,173 --> 00:10:06,013 Speaker 2: for three and he's trying to recover the innings. 193 00:10:05,093 --> 00:10:06,573 Speaker 3: With Darryl Mitchell. 194 00:10:08,493 --> 00:10:10,453 Speaker 2: Took a little bit of time. You just don't go 195 00:10:10,693 --> 00:10:13,133 Speaker 2: out Willie early and hit from war one, as say 196 00:10:13,213 --> 00:10:16,333 Speaker 2: siph It did, but you know, against an Australian attack 197 00:10:16,453 --> 00:10:19,093 Speaker 2: like that, that's a pretty significant innings in terms of 198 00:10:19,093 --> 00:10:20,893 Speaker 2: his development as an international player. 199 00:10:21,253 --> 00:10:24,373 Speaker 5: I wouldn't underestimate it at all. I think in very 200 00:10:24,373 --> 00:10:30,333 Speaker 5: difficult conditions with wickets falling at the other end, and 201 00:10:30,373 --> 00:10:32,453 Speaker 5: then to get it up to where they got that 202 00:10:32,573 --> 00:10:35,533 Speaker 5: number two was pretty admirable. No, I think that's a 203 00:10:35,653 --> 00:10:39,693 Speaker 5: very fine innings. And I think it's important because the 204 00:10:39,733 --> 00:10:41,773 Speaker 5: twenty twenty game is not the game that it was 205 00:10:42,173 --> 00:10:45,653 Speaker 5: even a couple of years ago. They just seemed to 206 00:10:45,653 --> 00:10:49,373 Speaker 5: go for it from bar one and keep going. You 207 00:10:49,413 --> 00:10:51,773 Speaker 5: made me three down, but we just we have to 208 00:10:51,853 --> 00:10:55,293 Speaker 5: keep going. And where scores of a while ago, of 209 00:10:56,213 --> 00:10:58,893 Speaker 5: one sixty, that was a winning score if you were 210 00:10:58,933 --> 00:10:59,933 Speaker 5: approaching two hundred. 211 00:11:00,013 --> 00:11:02,533 Speaker 3: Now, yeah, well we made one hundred and eighty five, 212 00:11:02,613 --> 00:11:04,933 Speaker 3: didn't we? Yeah well they didn't. 213 00:11:04,733 --> 00:11:06,093 Speaker 4: They one hundred eighty Well we got one hundred and 214 00:11:06,133 --> 00:11:08,973 Speaker 4: eighty one, I think something like that. But they won 215 00:11:09,013 --> 00:11:12,893 Speaker 4: it by twenty one balls, so that's over three overs, 216 00:11:13,093 --> 00:11:15,173 Speaker 4: you see. So they got it in sixteen and a 217 00:11:15,173 --> 00:11:19,533 Speaker 4: half overs. So you know, you're right, it's two hundred now. 218 00:11:19,773 --> 00:11:22,613 Speaker 4: This one sixty has become two hundred and those and 219 00:11:23,013 --> 00:11:27,133 Speaker 4: in difficult conditions even though it was the smallest ground completely. 220 00:11:27,813 --> 00:11:32,933 Speaker 5: But I wouldn't underestimate Robinson, you know, I think we 221 00:11:33,053 --> 00:11:35,413 Speaker 5: will say they have to look at Alan. I just 222 00:11:35,453 --> 00:11:38,413 Speaker 5: can I put a kind of positive question, can't wait? 223 00:11:39,093 --> 00:11:43,653 Speaker 5: I think he's going to go back and either revisit 224 00:11:43,733 --> 00:11:46,653 Speaker 5: his game, but looks really out of touch. I know 225 00:11:46,733 --> 00:11:49,853 Speaker 5: it's treason this, but has the game passed moved past 226 00:11:49,933 --> 00:11:51,733 Speaker 5: Kane Williamson in twenty twenty cricket? 227 00:11:52,693 --> 00:11:59,293 Speaker 2: Ah, Well, that's interesting because his position is still under scrutiny. 228 00:11:59,333 --> 00:12:04,293 Speaker 2: I suppose with the with the coaches. Rachen Ravenna of 229 00:12:04,333 --> 00:12:08,333 Speaker 2: course was out and that was why Robinson got a chance. 230 00:12:08,493 --> 00:12:11,693 Speaker 2: But is it time now to look at these players 231 00:12:11,813 --> 00:12:16,213 Speaker 2: rather than say Kane Williamson. Rob Walters says he's content. 232 00:12:16,373 --> 00:12:23,373 Speaker 2: He'd give Williamson time extra time to decide his future. 233 00:12:23,813 --> 00:12:26,413 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, how does he need extra time? 234 00:12:26,453 --> 00:12:30,733 Speaker 2: He must know what the season is hed. He wasn't 235 00:12:30,773 --> 00:12:34,973 Speaker 2: perturbed about the fact that he didn't have his full 236 00:12:35,013 --> 00:12:37,693 Speaker 2: string squad, But I mean, you know, Caine Williamson, Yeah, 237 00:12:37,773 --> 00:12:41,333 Speaker 2: he deserves a bit of special recognition, doesn't he. But 238 00:12:41,373 --> 00:12:43,653 Speaker 2: I mean he must know what the season's gonna hold, 239 00:12:44,053 --> 00:12:47,493 Speaker 2: what he's available for. Are we picking our side around 240 00:12:47,533 --> 00:12:49,853 Speaker 2: him rather than around what's best for the whole of 241 00:12:49,853 --> 00:12:51,973 Speaker 2: New Zealand? Cricket. I don't know, Jerry, how do you 242 00:12:52,013 --> 00:12:52,413 Speaker 2: look at it? 243 00:12:53,573 --> 00:12:57,013 Speaker 4: I think there's plenty of places. What's up for grabs now? 244 00:12:57,533 --> 00:13:00,853 Speaker 4: I mean I'm just looking at that. You would think 245 00:13:00,893 --> 00:13:04,893 Speaker 4: that Siphered, because he also keeps, is more of a 246 00:13:04,933 --> 00:13:08,613 Speaker 4: lock in for opening, isn't he? So I would have 247 00:13:08,693 --> 00:13:14,573 Speaker 4: thought that therefore Conway is fighting for a place. The 248 00:13:14,613 --> 00:13:20,333 Speaker 4: other options, of course fin Allen and Robinson he's also opened, 249 00:13:20,373 --> 00:13:23,893 Speaker 4: and Revendra has also opened an ODI cricket as well, 250 00:13:24,293 --> 00:13:27,253 Speaker 4: So we've got a few options there. Number three it 251 00:13:27,293 --> 00:13:31,493 Speaker 4: could be Robinson as well, or Revender. It could be Williamson. Look, 252 00:13:31,573 --> 00:13:34,693 Speaker 4: you could go through probably most of the batting order, 253 00:13:35,493 --> 00:13:36,933 Speaker 4: I mean, Mitchell or Revender. 254 00:13:36,973 --> 00:13:39,893 Speaker 3: At four. Does do any of the A team come 255 00:13:39,933 --> 00:13:40,373 Speaker 3: into it? 256 00:13:41,173 --> 00:13:44,893 Speaker 4: You know? Does does Muhammad Abas who bowls of it 257 00:13:44,973 --> 00:13:48,973 Speaker 4: as well? Not quite well enough yet, but but does 258 00:13:49,053 --> 00:13:51,693 Speaker 4: Mara who come into the opening position. He's more of 259 00:13:51,733 --> 00:13:54,413 Speaker 4: a more of a longer term batsman, a lot longer 260 00:13:54,453 --> 00:13:55,013 Speaker 4: time at. 261 00:13:54,853 --> 00:13:57,773 Speaker 3: The crease batsman. But Phillips isn't. Phillip's young. 262 00:13:57,893 --> 00:14:00,893 Speaker 4: The other Phillips who was in the A side, he 263 00:14:01,013 --> 00:14:05,253 Speaker 4: might come into, you know, calculations Number five you could 264 00:14:05,253 --> 00:14:07,573 Speaker 4: have Mitchell there, you could have Chapman there, you could 265 00:14:07,613 --> 00:14:11,213 Speaker 4: have Phillips there. I mean there are options as we 266 00:14:11,253 --> 00:14:16,213 Speaker 4: go all down that side six Chapmen and Phillips perhaps, 267 00:14:16,733 --> 00:14:20,133 Speaker 4: and seven you might have Bracewell, Phillips center or Niche. 268 00:14:20,413 --> 00:14:23,613 Speaker 4: So there are loads of options I think for New 269 00:14:23,693 --> 00:14:26,653 Speaker 4: Zealand now, whether they are older players coming back, like 270 00:14:26,733 --> 00:14:30,453 Speaker 4: a Niche who can bowl a bit. Bracewell is handy, 271 00:14:30,973 --> 00:14:34,053 Speaker 4: we know Phillips has had, so there are lots of 272 00:14:34,093 --> 00:14:36,853 Speaker 4: options for Rob Walter there. 273 00:14:37,373 --> 00:14:39,933 Speaker 5: And I think given that where the World Cup's going 274 00:14:39,973 --> 00:14:42,693 Speaker 5: to be played, which is in the Subcontinent, you know, 275 00:14:42,773 --> 00:14:46,933 Speaker 5: perhaps you need to have alternatives because you're going to 276 00:14:46,933 --> 00:14:50,133 Speaker 5: get different sorts of conditions, different types of wickets, which 277 00:14:50,133 --> 00:14:53,733 Speaker 5: is where Williamson can come in. But where us just 278 00:14:53,853 --> 00:14:55,813 Speaker 5: get out there on a flat deck and smash it. 279 00:14:55,933 --> 00:14:58,533 Speaker 5: I don't think that's his game. So I think that 280 00:14:58,613 --> 00:15:02,333 Speaker 5: you do need to have alternative plans for the conditions 281 00:15:02,333 --> 00:15:05,973 Speaker 5: that you're going to play in. And I'm quite pleased, 282 00:15:06,133 --> 00:15:09,373 Speaker 5: pleasantly pleased at what seems to is an emerging depth 283 00:15:09,413 --> 00:15:10,973 Speaker 5: in the in the men's game. 284 00:15:11,493 --> 00:15:14,013 Speaker 2: Well, the depth is there, I guess, I mean the 285 00:15:14,053 --> 00:15:16,613 Speaker 2: advantage that Conway has when he's on top of his 286 00:15:16,693 --> 00:15:20,973 Speaker 2: game is the left hander and the left right opening partnership. 287 00:15:20,973 --> 00:15:22,493 Speaker 2: But you've got to be on form now, don't you. 288 00:15:22,493 --> 00:15:25,173 Speaker 2: You've got to be able to hold together. And I 289 00:15:25,213 --> 00:15:28,133 Speaker 2: don't think it helps to be going from ball one 290 00:15:28,173 --> 00:15:31,693 Speaker 2: when you're playing day one of a series against Australia. 291 00:15:31,733 --> 00:15:33,533 Speaker 2: I think you have to, you know, just have a 292 00:15:33,533 --> 00:15:35,253 Speaker 2: look for an over to to see what the deck 293 00:15:35,453 --> 00:15:38,133 Speaker 2: is like. But I'm interested in your comment. Is there 294 00:15:38,133 --> 00:15:40,453 Speaker 2: any other than the sub content to play a world 295 00:15:40,493 --> 00:15:45,133 Speaker 2: companies too? It seems let's have a World Cup. Oh well, 296 00:15:45,173 --> 00:15:48,213 Speaker 2: we might as well go to India, Pakistan and and 297 00:15:48,293 --> 00:15:52,933 Speaker 2: Sri Lanka because you can't play India and Pakistan in 298 00:15:52,973 --> 00:15:53,773 Speaker 2: any other country. 299 00:15:54,373 --> 00:15:58,933 Speaker 5: That's a provocative statement to Brian. But it can't be 300 00:15:58,973 --> 00:16:01,373 Speaker 5: held in Pakistan for reasons which we understand and we 301 00:16:01,613 --> 00:16:05,893 Speaker 5: have covered that previously. But ah yeah, well what can 302 00:16:05,933 --> 00:16:08,773 Speaker 5: we say. They do have very fine facilities in India, 303 00:16:08,773 --> 00:16:12,173 Speaker 5: don't they, And so so be it, and it's a 304 00:16:12,173 --> 00:16:15,333 Speaker 5: good meeting spot sort of halfway around the world for everyone. 305 00:16:15,413 --> 00:16:18,973 Speaker 2: So that okay, Well, we've had a chance to have 306 00:16:19,013 --> 00:16:22,733 Speaker 2: a look at the Indian subcontinent and of course Sri 307 00:16:22,893 --> 00:16:26,613 Speaker 2: Lanka because the white Ferns are in India. They're coming 308 00:16:26,693 --> 00:16:33,133 Speaker 2: up against well some must win games for them, Bangladesh, 309 00:16:33,173 --> 00:16:36,813 Speaker 2: Pakistan and Sri Lanka. South Africa was a must win, 310 00:16:37,213 --> 00:16:40,573 Speaker 2: but it wasn't a great celebration for Susie Bates three 311 00:16:40,653 --> 00:16:43,773 Speaker 2: hundred and fiftieth. Think of that three hundred and fiftieth 312 00:16:44,013 --> 00:16:49,933 Speaker 2: match for New Zealand first baller oh Safety Devine three hundredth. 313 00:16:50,093 --> 00:16:52,093 Speaker 2: Now she is back to the sort of form that 314 00:16:52,133 --> 00:16:54,533 Speaker 2: we know, Jerry. But they're going to have to get 315 00:16:54,573 --> 00:16:58,413 Speaker 2: some more from some of these other players otherwise semi 316 00:16:58,413 --> 00:17:00,413 Speaker 2: final is going to be gone in a couple of games, 317 00:17:00,493 --> 00:17:01,373 Speaker 2: isn't it. 318 00:17:01,413 --> 00:17:04,333 Speaker 4: Look it's a pretty obvious thing to say, but in 319 00:17:04,333 --> 00:17:07,653 Speaker 4: my opinion New Zealand have become the women's side anyway, 320 00:17:07,693 --> 00:17:11,053 Speaker 4: have become a side that needs runs, and it's in 321 00:17:11,133 --> 00:17:17,053 Speaker 4: other words they're bowling. Isn't strong enough alone to simply 322 00:17:17,173 --> 00:17:20,893 Speaker 4: win games by bowling sides out on a regular basis. 323 00:17:21,093 --> 00:17:25,333 Speaker 4: We just we kind of don't have the quicks. We 324 00:17:25,453 --> 00:17:28,053 Speaker 4: got loads of medium fast bowlers and they seem to 325 00:17:28,093 --> 00:17:31,853 Speaker 4: be putting their emphasis in that direction. I mean, when 326 00:17:31,893 --> 00:17:37,853 Speaker 4: Devonshire had to leave the party. Unfortunately they pick they 327 00:17:37,893 --> 00:17:43,133 Speaker 4: pick a seema who can batter bit, so we've got 328 00:17:43,173 --> 00:17:45,173 Speaker 4: we've ended up, I mean illly at the moment is 329 00:17:45,293 --> 00:17:47,293 Speaker 4: kind of is not as quick as she might get 330 00:17:47,333 --> 00:17:49,813 Speaker 4: as she gets gains, you know, a bit of strength 331 00:17:49,853 --> 00:17:55,133 Speaker 4: and as she gets older. But divine Jess Ker, Halliday 332 00:17:55,373 --> 00:17:58,933 Speaker 4: Row Baits as I see described as a medium pacer 333 00:17:59,413 --> 00:18:02,453 Speaker 4: and Mayor they're all kinds of medium pace bowlers about 334 00:18:02,453 --> 00:18:05,493 Speaker 4: the same, and I you know, they just don't bowl 335 00:18:05,493 --> 00:18:09,653 Speaker 4: people out. And we need runs, weight of run to 336 00:18:09,693 --> 00:18:14,573 Speaker 4: put pressure on the opposition, and we can't defend a 337 00:18:14,613 --> 00:18:18,373 Speaker 4: low total. And so yeah, so it didn't start well 338 00:18:18,413 --> 00:18:19,853 Speaker 4: losing Baits first ball. 339 00:18:20,293 --> 00:18:22,453 Speaker 3: But she got so far to the off side. 340 00:18:22,453 --> 00:18:23,973 Speaker 4: Her head was on the off side, most of her 341 00:18:24,013 --> 00:18:28,293 Speaker 4: body was on the off side. And it's always if 342 00:18:28,293 --> 00:18:31,573 Speaker 4: you're coming from outside off stump across with your bat, 343 00:18:32,253 --> 00:18:35,453 Speaker 4: it's a longer distance than coming straight in, and so 344 00:18:35,493 --> 00:18:37,933 Speaker 4: you're always just a little bit late, as she was. 345 00:18:38,013 --> 00:18:40,773 Speaker 4: And so she missed it and was LB. And then 346 00:18:40,813 --> 00:18:45,573 Speaker 4: Plumber and Ker just struggled forty eight dots in the 347 00:18:45,613 --> 00:18:50,893 Speaker 4: power play. Forty eight that's eight overs of dots where 348 00:18:50,973 --> 00:18:54,253 Speaker 4: you don't score. Look they were driving the ball. 349 00:18:54,293 --> 00:18:56,453 Speaker 3: I don't know whether you watch, I just I couldn't 350 00:18:56,493 --> 00:18:57,053 Speaker 3: believe it. 351 00:18:57,813 --> 00:19:01,133 Speaker 4: They were just driving the ball to mid Off, driving 352 00:19:01,173 --> 00:19:05,653 Speaker 4: it to mid On, driving it to cover. It was 353 00:19:05,693 --> 00:19:08,613 Speaker 4: like they were having a net That's what it looked 354 00:19:08,733 --> 00:19:12,773 Speaker 4: like to me, hoping that they'd find a gap but 355 00:19:12,853 --> 00:19:16,693 Speaker 4: weren't able to. And so, you know, Plumber thirty one 356 00:19:16,773 --> 00:19:19,933 Speaker 4: or sixty odd, I mean that really puts the pressure on, 357 00:19:20,013 --> 00:19:24,133 Speaker 4: doesn't it. And so from being you know, and then 358 00:19:24,173 --> 00:19:25,893 Speaker 4: we did we got back. 359 00:19:25,693 --> 00:19:27,093 Speaker 3: Into the game, didn't we. 360 00:19:27,213 --> 00:19:30,813 Speaker 4: I think between overs thirty and forty when Halliday and 361 00:19:30,853 --> 00:19:32,813 Speaker 4: Divine we ended up about one hundred and. 362 00:19:32,893 --> 00:19:34,013 Speaker 3: Ninety for three. 363 00:19:34,613 --> 00:19:37,933 Speaker 4: Yes, and we were kind of in a position where 364 00:19:37,973 --> 00:19:42,973 Speaker 4: we might get something a bit testing and then Calypsto 365 00:19:43,093 --> 00:19:46,573 Speaker 4: Collapso wasn't it really for New Zealand six for thirty odd? 366 00:19:47,213 --> 00:19:51,133 Speaker 4: And so players like Green and Gays and Josh Kerr 367 00:19:51,133 --> 00:19:55,933 Speaker 4: and Tahouhu, they are not inexperienced players. Green has had 368 00:19:55,973 --> 00:20:00,373 Speaker 4: eighty three ODI's and Gays is twenty five. Jess Kurz 369 00:20:00,413 --> 00:20:04,973 Speaker 4: had forty one, to who's had ninety nine. We've got 370 00:20:05,013 --> 00:20:07,733 Speaker 4: to get fifteen or twenty from each at least we 371 00:20:07,773 --> 00:20:11,693 Speaker 4: get another eighty runs. We've got to get runs from down. 372 00:20:11,813 --> 00:20:15,493 Speaker 4: We've got to get a total. And my concern would be, 373 00:20:15,613 --> 00:20:18,773 Speaker 4: and then I watched for a while, watch when New 374 00:20:18,853 --> 00:20:27,413 Speaker 4: Zealand bowled. Now, England beat South Africa by what by 375 00:20:27,493 --> 00:20:32,413 Speaker 4: bowling spines right and bowled them out for sixty loading 376 00:20:32,533 --> 00:20:36,493 Speaker 4: twenty overs? Right now, why didn't we try a spinner? 377 00:20:36,933 --> 00:20:40,493 Speaker 4: Why was pearr left until they bowled fourteen out of 378 00:20:40,533 --> 00:20:46,133 Speaker 4: twenty overs? England at Pakistan bowled them out. Why didn't 379 00:20:46,413 --> 00:20:49,933 Speaker 4: at least New Zealand remind them and try care a 380 00:20:49,933 --> 00:20:53,013 Speaker 4: little bit earlier than the thirteenth? And Carson when she 381 00:20:53,173 --> 00:20:55,293 Speaker 4: came in the school was one hundred and seven for one. 382 00:20:55,853 --> 00:20:59,933 Speaker 4: I went to bed, you know, I mean this, Why 383 00:21:00,053 --> 00:21:04,693 Speaker 4: doren't we doing these things? It seems to me we're 384 00:21:04,733 --> 00:21:08,613 Speaker 4: bowling the very formulated kind of will stay up with 385 00:21:08,653 --> 00:21:12,173 Speaker 4: the lingam will start with Sansan, then the vinyl coming 386 00:21:12,253 --> 00:21:15,013 Speaker 4: and then there'll be another scene. We've got to be 387 00:21:15,093 --> 00:21:18,653 Speaker 4: a wee bit more flexible, I think than some of 388 00:21:18,693 --> 00:21:21,493 Speaker 4: those things. Now we're My concern would be just to 389 00:21:21,493 --> 00:21:25,133 Speaker 4: finish my points would be. We're now playing Bangladesh, as 390 00:21:25,173 --> 00:21:30,413 Speaker 4: you say, Sri Lanka, Pakistan and India. Now Bangladesh, you've 391 00:21:30,413 --> 00:21:33,093 Speaker 4: got four or five spinners. Through Sri Lanka you can 392 00:21:33,213 --> 00:21:38,333 Speaker 4: be sure have plenty. Pakistan have got five, India have 393 00:21:38,413 --> 00:21:40,333 Speaker 4: got three, England have got three or four. 394 00:21:41,333 --> 00:21:43,373 Speaker 3: So I don't know. 395 00:21:43,853 --> 00:21:46,813 Speaker 4: I just think I hope, I hope we can put 396 00:21:46,813 --> 00:21:49,533 Speaker 4: together some totals because otherwise we're hanging by a three, 397 00:21:49,613 --> 00:21:50,053 Speaker 4: don't we. 398 00:21:50,453 --> 00:21:54,733 Speaker 5: It's hard to be optimistic, it would be my sense 399 00:21:54,773 --> 00:22:00,213 Speaker 5: of this. Bangladesh, they were in the game well and true, 400 00:22:00,373 --> 00:22:03,733 Speaker 5: totally well and truly in their game there and England, 401 00:22:03,893 --> 00:22:07,853 Speaker 5: would you have to say probably them in Australia are 402 00:22:08,333 --> 00:22:10,813 Speaker 5: ods on to be the two the two better sides 403 00:22:10,813 --> 00:22:14,333 Speaker 5: of them all Toss and South Africa if if, if 404 00:22:14,333 --> 00:22:18,373 Speaker 5: they have a good day. But on India and India, 405 00:22:18,413 --> 00:22:22,573 Speaker 5: oh sorry, yeah, yeah, apologies absolutely India. I'm just thinking, yeah, 406 00:22:22,613 --> 00:22:28,013 Speaker 5: we could be three zero and three without any doubt. 407 00:22:28,053 --> 00:22:29,933 Speaker 5: And I don't I don't want that and I don't 408 00:22:29,933 --> 00:22:33,533 Speaker 5: wish that. But I agree with you Jerry around around 409 00:22:33,533 --> 00:22:36,653 Speaker 5: the use of spinners, and and hell, if we're playing 410 00:22:36,693 --> 00:22:40,253 Speaker 5: Bangladesh and I've got those number of spinners, well I 411 00:22:40,253 --> 00:22:41,893 Speaker 5: can I can guess what sort of wicket it's going 412 00:22:41,933 --> 00:22:45,613 Speaker 5: to be and if you're just bowling bowling medium paces 413 00:22:45,933 --> 00:22:49,653 Speaker 5: or that's just going to come on that beautiful and 414 00:22:49,733 --> 00:22:55,693 Speaker 5: be working Bangladesh's favor. So I will I'm concerned on 415 00:22:55,813 --> 00:22:57,573 Speaker 5: more ground works. 416 00:22:58,133 --> 00:22:59,933 Speaker 2: Yeah, the ground that they're playing at is good, HARDI 417 00:22:59,973 --> 00:23:01,973 Speaker 2: where they've already had about three or four games, so 418 00:23:02,013 --> 00:23:03,853 Speaker 2: the bounce is going to get lower. It won't be 419 00:23:04,733 --> 00:23:07,733 Speaker 2: a lively pitch, so they're going to have to be tested. 420 00:23:07,893 --> 00:23:11,173 Speaker 2: And of course they did have another spinner, fran Jonas 421 00:23:11,213 --> 00:23:14,693 Speaker 2: was left at home for ev and so they've they've 422 00:23:14,733 --> 00:23:19,493 Speaker 2: made a decision there that a seam bowler. Well Rosemary Mare, 423 00:23:19,533 --> 00:23:22,973 Speaker 2: isn't it. I mean she's slightly above medium, I suppose, 424 00:23:23,013 --> 00:23:26,693 Speaker 2: but she's not a quick bowler. They've got problems and 425 00:23:27,293 --> 00:23:30,653 Speaker 2: I'm sure that they'll be working through days. Friday is 426 00:23:30,653 --> 00:23:34,573 Speaker 2: the game against Bangladesh. Hopefully the New Zealand at White 427 00:23:34,653 --> 00:23:36,973 Speaker 2: Fence are able to get their first win. 428 00:23:37,493 --> 00:23:41,213 Speaker 1: Brian Waddle Jeremy Coney on the front foot. 429 00:23:41,493 --> 00:23:46,933 Speaker 2: How would you like to be a cricket administrator? Ah, well, 430 00:23:47,653 --> 00:23:49,533 Speaker 2: some of us are. I'm caught in the middle of 431 00:23:49,813 --> 00:23:53,533 Speaker 2: administration at the moment in terms of local cricket. But 432 00:23:53,613 --> 00:23:55,733 Speaker 2: there's been a power struggle at the heart of the 433 00:23:55,773 --> 00:23:58,733 Speaker 2: game in the USA for over a month now, and 434 00:23:58,773 --> 00:24:03,253 Speaker 2: it's escalated with the American Cricket Enterprises. They're the parent 435 00:24:03,373 --> 00:24:07,893 Speaker 2: company of Major League Cricket. They're taking on us a 436 00:24:07,973 --> 00:24:16,093 Speaker 2: cricket who have now gone into liquidation or have handled 437 00:24:16,693 --> 00:24:20,573 Speaker 2: the league. Tell me what they're doing most, because you 438 00:24:20,653 --> 00:24:22,933 Speaker 2: understand the stuff more than I do. I mean, you've 439 00:24:22,933 --> 00:24:25,973 Speaker 2: got to have a body administering cricket. Well, the ic 440 00:24:26,093 --> 00:24:28,253 Speaker 2: C have taken that power away from the USAC. 441 00:24:28,933 --> 00:24:33,853 Speaker 5: So what's happened is that the USA Cricket, which is 442 00:24:33,893 --> 00:24:40,133 Speaker 5: the member of the ICC so called which oversees cricket 443 00:24:40,253 --> 00:24:45,613 Speaker 5: in the US, it's filed for what's known as Chapter eleven. 444 00:24:46,053 --> 00:24:50,693 Speaker 5: What is chapter eleven? Chapter eleven is a form of bankruptcy, 445 00:24:51,373 --> 00:24:58,093 Speaker 5: but what it provides is a mechanism by which parties 446 00:24:58,133 --> 00:25:03,613 Speaker 5: who file for Chapter eleven it buys them time and 447 00:25:03,653 --> 00:25:08,253 Speaker 5: space in order to reorganize their affairs. Typically this would 448 00:25:08,293 --> 00:25:13,413 Speaker 5: be in the case of financing obligations which often forced 449 00:25:13,453 --> 00:25:19,373 Speaker 5: them into companies into Chapter eleven. What's happened here is 450 00:25:19,453 --> 00:25:23,773 Speaker 5: there is an agreement a fifty year agreement. Fifty year 451 00:25:24,293 --> 00:25:31,973 Speaker 5: agreement was signed in twenty nineteen between us A Cricket 452 00:25:32,133 --> 00:25:38,293 Speaker 5: and ACE American Cricket Enterprises, which own owns Major League Cricket, 453 00:25:38,613 --> 00:25:43,333 Speaker 5: a fifty year contract. There are allegations that it was 454 00:25:43,373 --> 00:25:48,533 Speaker 5: negotiated somewhat behind closed doors conflicts of interest. I see 455 00:25:48,653 --> 00:25:51,933 Speaker 5: a lot of what's happening here is a number of egos, 456 00:25:52,733 --> 00:25:58,613 Speaker 5: influential people at play. But in commercial terms, what that 457 00:25:58,773 --> 00:26:02,173 Speaker 5: contract was intended to do was to funnel inverted commas. 458 00:26:02,173 --> 00:26:05,773 Speaker 5: And that's the word I read in the news, in 459 00:26:05,813 --> 00:26:12,093 Speaker 5: the news articles, funnel fun up into USA Cricket. But 460 00:26:12,253 --> 00:26:17,053 Speaker 5: it's not sufficient for what or what USA Cricket would 461 00:26:17,093 --> 00:26:21,013 Speaker 5: consider fair value. In other words, Chapter eleven will give 462 00:26:21,533 --> 00:26:28,693 Speaker 5: or should give USA Cricket the ability to renegotiate that contract. 463 00:26:29,733 --> 00:26:35,293 Speaker 5: It doesn't help that the ICC have indicated that have 464 00:26:35,373 --> 00:26:42,213 Speaker 5: been serious breaches of membership, breaches that USA Cricket have 465 00:26:42,453 --> 00:26:45,733 Speaker 5: entered into and therefore have also been suspended. That's another 466 00:26:45,773 --> 00:26:50,653 Speaker 5: reason why someone might want to go into chapter eleven. 467 00:26:50,893 --> 00:26:54,733 Speaker 5: It buys time and it makes everyone step back in 468 00:26:54,853 --> 00:26:58,653 Speaker 5: order to sort your house out. 469 00:26:59,213 --> 00:27:02,533 Speaker 2: Yeah, hardly the environment the game needs anyway, here? 470 00:27:02,613 --> 00:27:02,813 Speaker 5: Is it? 471 00:27:03,213 --> 00:27:07,333 Speaker 4: No so it's not actual bankruptcy. And the terms that 472 00:27:07,413 --> 00:27:10,893 Speaker 4: I understand bankruptcy moves is that right? I thought it 473 00:27:10,933 --> 00:27:13,453 Speaker 4: was a legal process where you can't pay your bills 474 00:27:13,493 --> 00:27:18,573 Speaker 4: basically to your debtors. But it's nothing to do that 475 00:27:19,013 --> 00:27:22,493 Speaker 4: do with that. But is there if you declare it? 476 00:27:22,613 --> 00:27:25,373 Speaker 4: If you declare it, because there was going to be 477 00:27:25,373 --> 00:27:30,533 Speaker 4: a court case between USAK and ACE, wasn't there right? So, 478 00:27:30,933 --> 00:27:33,893 Speaker 4: And with about twenty minutes to go before the start 479 00:27:33,973 --> 00:27:37,933 Speaker 4: of this case, this court case they in came this 480 00:27:38,133 --> 00:27:40,613 Speaker 4: report that they had declared themselves bankrupt. 481 00:27:40,973 --> 00:27:44,733 Speaker 5: It's not bankrupt, correct, It's not. It's what they called 482 00:27:44,813 --> 00:27:49,853 Speaker 5: They filed for Chapter eleven, which is this. It's basically 483 00:27:49,893 --> 00:27:53,693 Speaker 5: it's a stay and unless you can actually it enables 484 00:27:53,733 --> 00:27:55,933 Speaker 5: them to reorganize their affairs pretty much. 485 00:27:56,173 --> 00:27:57,813 Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's what they're saying. 486 00:27:58,413 --> 00:28:01,893 Speaker 5: Yes, and that's and it does provide a very good forum. 487 00:28:01,933 --> 00:28:06,853 Speaker 5: It's it's something that doesn't exist in New Zealand or 488 00:28:06,853 --> 00:28:12,213 Speaker 5: Australia or Canada. They have different arrangements for insolvencies type 489 00:28:12,253 --> 00:28:15,933 Speaker 5: arrangements such as this, but this isn't an insolvency situation. 490 00:28:16,413 --> 00:28:19,893 Speaker 5: It buys time to reorganize your affairs. So I'm looking 491 00:28:19,893 --> 00:28:21,653 Speaker 5: at that and thinking I've got to sort of stuff 492 00:28:21,653 --> 00:28:26,533 Speaker 5: out with the ICC because they've withdrawn membership effectively. And secondly, 493 00:28:26,813 --> 00:28:30,573 Speaker 5: I've got this contract which I view as uncommercial, which 494 00:28:31,133 --> 00:28:35,653 Speaker 5: I being US, which I signed, which they signed. Well, 495 00:28:35,973 --> 00:28:37,893 Speaker 5: some people are saying there were conflicts of interest they 496 00:28:37,973 --> 00:28:42,773 Speaker 5: also read somewhere, so that is that is what they 497 00:28:42,853 --> 00:28:46,813 Speaker 5: need to sort out. And bearing in mind that the 498 00:28:46,893 --> 00:28:49,333 Speaker 5: USA Cricket is the party which is going to be 499 00:28:49,413 --> 00:28:52,973 Speaker 5: apparently be participating in the World Cup twenty twenty, and 500 00:28:53,013 --> 00:28:55,853 Speaker 5: then there's a thing called the Olympics where cricket is 501 00:28:55,893 --> 00:28:57,853 Speaker 5: going to be in the US. 502 00:28:58,373 --> 00:29:00,613 Speaker 2: The other thing is that New Zealand are in Beard 503 00:29:00,693 --> 00:29:04,133 Speaker 2: with ACE, who are the promoters of the Major League. 504 00:29:04,173 --> 00:29:07,933 Speaker 2: What impact does that have on New Zealand's involvement with them. 505 00:29:08,613 --> 00:29:13,413 Speaker 5: Well, my sense is that it will be interesting because 506 00:29:13,453 --> 00:29:16,213 Speaker 5: what you've got is is that it's whether it's with 507 00:29:16,333 --> 00:29:19,573 Speaker 5: ACE or whether it's with one of the franchises, which 508 00:29:19,613 --> 00:29:23,013 Speaker 5: is if you're like down the food chain, it shouldn't 509 00:29:23,053 --> 00:29:27,813 Speaker 5: affect what arrangements those are. Although in a lot of contracts, 510 00:29:28,933 --> 00:29:32,653 Speaker 5: commercial contracts, they have the fault provisions which in the 511 00:29:32,653 --> 00:29:36,853 Speaker 5: event that there's an insolvency event, which which a Chapter 512 00:29:36,893 --> 00:29:40,013 Speaker 5: eleven is would be termed. Then you may be able 513 00:29:40,053 --> 00:29:42,613 Speaker 5: to repudiate or walk away from the contracts should you 514 00:29:42,653 --> 00:29:46,373 Speaker 5: so choose. Now I don't know whether that applies because 515 00:29:47,613 --> 00:29:50,013 Speaker 5: because of the of the arrangements enter, because I completely 516 00:29:50,093 --> 00:29:54,133 Speaker 5: haven't been privy to it. But but it's it. I'd 517 00:29:54,173 --> 00:29:56,973 Speaker 5: be certainly if I meant cricket, I'd be I'd be 518 00:29:57,013 --> 00:29:58,853 Speaker 5: digging out the contracts and have a look at what 519 00:29:58,973 --> 00:30:00,133 Speaker 5: it means for us. 520 00:30:01,493 --> 00:30:04,413 Speaker 4: It seems to me this is this thing that New 521 00:30:04,493 --> 00:30:08,853 Speaker 4: Zealand has entered. It's the first time I've ever heard 522 00:30:08,893 --> 00:30:14,773 Speaker 4: of a full member of the ICC having an agreement 523 00:30:14,893 --> 00:30:18,133 Speaker 4: with a club or a domestic side from a from 524 00:30:18,173 --> 00:30:23,893 Speaker 4: another country's competition in that it's a franchise and New 525 00:30:23,973 --> 00:30:27,613 Speaker 4: Zealand we're going to supply things like I understood was 526 00:30:28,013 --> 00:30:33,333 Speaker 4: sort of high performance and operational support and coaching and 527 00:30:34,013 --> 00:30:38,813 Speaker 4: turf management and physios and things like that, or as 528 00:30:38,853 --> 00:30:44,373 Speaker 4: you say, a franchise that isn't yet actually operating and 529 00:30:44,533 --> 00:30:49,893 Speaker 4: ace this have the choice over these next two franchises 530 00:30:49,973 --> 00:30:54,893 Speaker 4: as they try to grow this competition called the MLC. 531 00:30:56,053 --> 00:30:58,453 Speaker 4: And and so they are going to be in Toronto 532 00:30:58,693 --> 00:31:02,093 Speaker 4: and places like that, in Atlanta and New Zealand. 533 00:31:02,133 --> 00:31:04,853 Speaker 3: We're going to be part of that. Now. 534 00:31:04,893 --> 00:31:07,933 Speaker 4: I don't know they're supplying. They are suppliers, if you like. 535 00:31:07,973 --> 00:31:11,693 Speaker 4: Aren't they of a skill where presumably one party is 536 00:31:11,733 --> 00:31:15,853 Speaker 4: going to pay money provide money? And New Zealand would 537 00:31:15,893 --> 00:31:20,173 Speaker 4: provide the expertise, the cricket expertise to go with some 538 00:31:20,253 --> 00:31:22,853 Speaker 4: of those things. And I would have thought Weenick would 539 00:31:22,853 --> 00:31:27,293 Speaker 4: have thought he can supply players as well, and perhaps 540 00:31:27,413 --> 00:31:33,093 Speaker 4: retain some players instead of going on you know, casual contracts, 541 00:31:33,413 --> 00:31:35,733 Speaker 4: when they could say to them at contract time, well 542 00:31:35,733 --> 00:31:40,053 Speaker 4: we've got this team over in the MLC that we 543 00:31:40,133 --> 00:31:44,493 Speaker 4: could actually have a pathway towards and we have a 544 00:31:44,533 --> 00:31:46,773 Speaker 4: part of this. I think that was kind of the 545 00:31:46,853 --> 00:31:50,453 Speaker 4: reasoning behind it. Well it kind of makes sense. But 546 00:31:51,093 --> 00:31:55,933 Speaker 4: now that this has happened, I just wonder who's in charge, 547 00:31:55,933 --> 00:31:59,453 Speaker 4: who's going to be running those things, and who are 548 00:31:59,453 --> 00:32:04,733 Speaker 4: they dealing with now. So that was just the questions 549 00:32:04,773 --> 00:32:07,453 Speaker 4: that I have, and I mean for people listening. The 550 00:32:07,573 --> 00:32:10,133 Speaker 4: MLC run for about three or four weeks I think 551 00:32:10,173 --> 00:32:14,453 Speaker 4: in June and July, and there are people like Matt 552 00:32:14,453 --> 00:32:17,533 Speaker 4: Henry and Ravendra and Finellen and Trent Bolt. They're the 553 00:32:17,573 --> 00:32:21,853 Speaker 4: guys that are actually from New Zealand in that competition already. 554 00:32:22,693 --> 00:32:25,053 Speaker 4: So I just wonder what it means though for New 555 00:32:25,133 --> 00:32:28,253 Speaker 4: Zealand Cricket who have gone into this deal with and 556 00:32:28,293 --> 00:32:31,173 Speaker 4: they seem very keen to get quite close and cuddle 557 00:32:31,253 --> 00:32:36,973 Speaker 4: up to the USA Cricket as well. There are other 558 00:32:37,053 --> 00:32:41,293 Speaker 4: things that are happening and so I just I wonder 559 00:32:41,333 --> 00:32:45,133 Speaker 4: how that is now because who was actually running USA 560 00:32:45,213 --> 00:32:46,093 Speaker 4: Cricket at the moment. 561 00:32:46,653 --> 00:32:51,733 Speaker 5: Well, just remember ACE is an effective party because of 562 00:32:51,813 --> 00:32:55,253 Speaker 5: the ACE being the American Cricket Enterprise of to change 563 00:32:55,293 --> 00:32:59,053 Speaker 5: the n more. See, Yeah, the party that has gone 564 00:32:59,093 --> 00:33:06,013 Speaker 5: into chapter eleven is USA Cricket the people who are 565 00:33:06,053 --> 00:33:08,293 Speaker 5: running that, and that's typically run by a trusting bank. 566 00:33:08,373 --> 00:33:11,333 Speaker 5: Cruptcy is what they refer to it. But I did 567 00:33:11,373 --> 00:33:14,693 Speaker 5: note in one of the press for releases that they 568 00:33:14,733 --> 00:33:17,733 Speaker 5: said we have been forced into the protections of the 569 00:33:17,813 --> 00:33:20,533 Speaker 5: US Bankruptcy cold because ACE is well aware of its 570 00:33:20,573 --> 00:33:23,973 Speaker 5: stature as an eight hundred pound gorilla and has weaponized 571 00:33:24,013 --> 00:33:28,973 Speaker 5: its financial muscle to frustrate our ability to govern the sport. 572 00:33:29,933 --> 00:33:34,253 Speaker 5: And that's from the general Council of of USA Cricket. 573 00:33:34,453 --> 00:33:38,613 Speaker 5: So it's it's it's all about the commercialities as between 574 00:33:38,613 --> 00:33:43,973 Speaker 5: ACE and USA Cricket down in the MLC. I'm not 575 00:33:43,973 --> 00:33:47,213 Speaker 5: sure that that's going to be affected because you know 576 00:33:47,333 --> 00:33:50,413 Speaker 5: that's where all the television rights are and what have you. 577 00:33:50,413 --> 00:33:51,253 Speaker 5: They sit with ACE. 578 00:33:52,093 --> 00:33:55,573 Speaker 4: So we'll waiting so do because well there with Willow 579 00:33:55,733 --> 00:33:59,613 Speaker 4: TV and they have all the broadcasting rights for the MLC. 580 00:34:01,013 --> 00:34:03,613 Speaker 5: It may it may not affect the arrangements that New 581 00:34:03,693 --> 00:34:06,093 Speaker 5: Zealand Cricket have entered into, which is supplying of what 582 00:34:06,413 --> 00:34:10,693 Speaker 5: I would refer was intellectual capital or IP, which is 583 00:34:11,093 --> 00:34:17,293 Speaker 5: not financial capital like cash through people, players and capabilities, 584 00:34:17,293 --> 00:34:21,053 Speaker 5: if you will. So it may be business as usual, 585 00:34:21,813 --> 00:34:26,133 Speaker 5: but it certainly added a complication, shall we say, and 586 00:34:27,413 --> 00:34:31,053 Speaker 5: a degree of uncertainty in the game over there. 587 00:34:31,493 --> 00:34:33,613 Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting stuff. I'll have to follow that one through 588 00:34:33,613 --> 00:34:36,093 Speaker 2: because New Zealand will have a bit part to play 589 00:34:36,253 --> 00:34:38,813 Speaker 2: in all of that. Finally, this week a quick one. 590 00:34:38,973 --> 00:34:42,653 Speaker 2: How would you like to be remembered by your cricketing 591 00:34:42,693 --> 00:34:44,973 Speaker 2: mates as the manner is it for six sixers in 592 00:34:45,013 --> 00:34:49,853 Speaker 2: the row? Malcolm Nish, poor old Malcolm nsh. 593 00:34:48,853 --> 00:34:51,733 Speaker 8: That's he's got to kick. That's the right distance he's 594 00:34:51,813 --> 00:35:01,933 Speaker 8: at that out of the ground. That's another one. Books 595 00:35:02,973 --> 00:35:06,333 Speaker 8: that tap at the top we said that start claiming 596 00:35:06,413 --> 00:35:09,733 Speaker 8: up that have a looked over the wall two and 597 00:35:09,853 --> 00:35:13,893 Speaker 8: twenty nine minutes. That's another one up for being close up. 598 00:35:17,573 --> 00:35:21,973 Speaker 8: Three balls, three sixes, fifty eight have an incredible bit 599 00:35:21,973 --> 00:35:27,613 Speaker 8: of hitting. Oh he's got the shorter one. What's up again? 600 00:35:28,333 --> 00:35:28,573 Speaker 4: There? 601 00:35:28,613 --> 00:35:32,213 Speaker 3: They're crouncing on them, pouncing on the concrete. 602 00:35:32,373 --> 00:35:37,053 Speaker 8: Four six and in four balls. This makes him sixty 603 00:35:37,253 --> 00:35:43,813 Speaker 8: four four sixes underwear. Mash is going to bowl this one. 604 00:35:44,933 --> 00:35:45,973 Speaker 2: On that well, just. 605 00:35:46,093 --> 00:35:48,893 Speaker 8: Carrying now he's going to be out go that all 606 00:35:49,133 --> 00:35:55,053 Speaker 8: croppings over the boundary. Six It is five on the trot. 607 00:35:56,853 --> 00:35:59,813 Speaker 8: I know this is incredible. Now is this is six 608 00:35:59,853 --> 00:36:03,093 Speaker 8: on the Trot's a world record been done before, but. 609 00:36:04,733 --> 00:36:06,973 Speaker 5: Seventy on the board. 610 00:36:09,053 --> 00:36:12,973 Speaker 8: And he's done. It's gone. 611 00:36:13,893 --> 00:36:14,613 Speaker 2: What do you reckon? 612 00:36:15,453 --> 00:36:15,653 Speaker 5: You ever? 613 00:36:15,853 --> 00:36:17,413 Speaker 2: For six sexes? Anytime? 614 00:36:18,173 --> 00:36:22,973 Speaker 5: It's surprising. One wasn't. But Malcolm Mash, what I understand 615 00:36:23,053 --> 00:36:24,853 Speaker 5: was the case because I remember seeing it in black 616 00:36:24,853 --> 00:36:28,333 Speaker 5: and white television. I think it was and so was. 617 00:36:28,813 --> 00:36:31,053 Speaker 5: He's just whistling him out of the park. But he's 618 00:36:31,053 --> 00:36:37,373 Speaker 5: bowling left arm orthodox correct. Malcolm Nash was actually a 619 00:36:37,453 --> 00:36:40,493 Speaker 5: left arm medium pacer, so it was a bit of 620 00:36:40,493 --> 00:36:44,293 Speaker 5: a trial which didn't seem to go that well for him, 621 00:36:44,613 --> 00:36:46,373 Speaker 5: and that's what he's been known for. But he was 622 00:36:46,373 --> 00:36:49,093 Speaker 5: the long term player forgamont and I played a number 623 00:36:49,093 --> 00:36:50,533 Speaker 5: of years I I recall. 624 00:36:50,813 --> 00:36:53,133 Speaker 3: But oh I did, Moose, you're right. 625 00:36:53,573 --> 00:36:56,533 Speaker 4: He played between the sixties and the eighties, early eighties, 626 00:36:56,573 --> 00:37:01,573 Speaker 4: so I I met him. He actually he had initials M. A. 627 00:37:01,973 --> 00:37:05,973 Speaker 4: N Man and he was quite a confident feller as 628 00:37:06,013 --> 00:37:09,373 Speaker 4: I could remember, and I know the players from Glamorgan 629 00:37:09,413 --> 00:37:15,253 Speaker 4: called him super and he got over nine hundred and 630 00:37:15,373 --> 00:37:19,133 Speaker 4: ninety first class wickets as a seemer. He ran off 631 00:37:19,173 --> 00:37:23,093 Speaker 4: about twelve paces, he gotten close. He had a good, 632 00:37:23,213 --> 00:37:27,413 Speaker 4: nice whippy action and he you know, and pitched it up. 633 00:37:27,813 --> 00:37:30,573 Speaker 4: He want to get edges and things. They won Glamorgan 634 00:37:30,613 --> 00:37:32,773 Speaker 4: ants that thought of very highly. Now are they they've 635 00:37:32,813 --> 00:37:36,093 Speaker 4: down the bottom of the second division usually, but in 636 00:37:36,493 --> 00:37:41,133 Speaker 4: sixty nine they won the Hold County Championship and he 637 00:37:41,253 --> 00:37:44,413 Speaker 4: was right at the top of it, actually, Malcolm Nash. 638 00:37:44,453 --> 00:37:48,333 Speaker 4: But he had been practicing bowling quite brusk left arm 639 00:37:48,453 --> 00:37:53,973 Speaker 4: spin like Derek Underwood and so that's why he was. 640 00:37:54,013 --> 00:37:57,613 Speaker 4: He was bowling spin, you're right that day and Sobers 641 00:37:58,133 --> 00:38:01,853 Speaker 4: he went in late. He was playing for Knots Sobers 642 00:38:01,893 --> 00:38:06,373 Speaker 4: against Nash playing for Glamorgan, and Sobers went in at 643 00:38:06,493 --> 00:38:08,653 Speaker 4: number seven that day so that he could fit in 644 00:38:08,693 --> 00:38:13,133 Speaker 4: a visit to the bookies. And he was a bit 645 00:38:13,253 --> 00:38:16,453 Speaker 4: peeved off actually that Knott's run rate hadn't wasn't as 646 00:38:16,533 --> 00:38:19,573 Speaker 4: high as it was, and so he wanted quick runs 647 00:38:19,613 --> 00:38:23,493 Speaker 4: you see in a declaration. And so I remember the 648 00:38:23,813 --> 00:38:27,213 Speaker 4: match was drifting and Nash just thought that he would 649 00:38:27,413 --> 00:38:31,973 Speaker 4: buy this new sort of left arm orthodox quick style. 650 00:38:32,733 --> 00:38:34,893 Speaker 4: And the first one went over long on and out 651 00:38:34,933 --> 00:38:39,053 Speaker 4: of Saint Helen's the ground. The second one was roughly 652 00:38:39,053 --> 00:38:40,773 Speaker 4: in the same direction, hit on the top of the 653 00:38:40,813 --> 00:38:43,053 Speaker 4: Cricketers Pub which we used to have a couple of 654 00:38:43,133 --> 00:38:46,253 Speaker 4: drinks and after we finished play, and then the third 655 00:38:46,533 --> 00:38:49,733 Speaker 4: third ball went over long off into the wooden benches. 656 00:38:49,893 --> 00:38:53,013 Speaker 4: Used to go down loads of steps with wooden benches 657 00:38:53,053 --> 00:38:56,573 Speaker 4: alongside of you as you walk down. Tony Lewis, who 658 00:38:56,613 --> 00:38:59,373 Speaker 4: was the captain of Glamorgan, advised Nash at this point, 659 00:38:59,493 --> 00:39:02,213 Speaker 4: how about playing? How about bowling some seamers now whack 660 00:39:02,253 --> 00:39:04,773 Speaker 4: it into the block hole as you usually do well. 661 00:39:04,893 --> 00:39:09,413 Speaker 4: Nash ignored that a sportsball went over deep wicket and 662 00:39:09,413 --> 00:39:12,893 Speaker 4: then the fifth ball he hit, Sobers hit high to 663 00:39:13,013 --> 00:39:15,693 Speaker 4: long off and we heard in the commentary there it 664 00:39:15,813 --> 00:39:18,293 Speaker 4: was caught by a guy called Roger Davis before he 665 00:39:18,373 --> 00:39:23,373 Speaker 4: toppled backwards. He toppled backwards and Sobers began to walk off. 666 00:39:23,453 --> 00:39:25,413 Speaker 4: But there was a guy playing for the Gomorgan, a 667 00:39:25,493 --> 00:39:30,653 Speaker 4: fella called Tony Caudle, advised that Davis had actually carried 668 00:39:30,733 --> 00:39:34,093 Speaker 4: the ball over the rope in toppling backwards. 669 00:39:34,253 --> 00:39:37,053 Speaker 3: So it was now on the last. 670 00:39:36,773 --> 00:39:40,893 Speaker 4: Ball of the over that was five sixes that Nash 671 00:39:41,013 --> 00:39:42,453 Speaker 4: reverted to seam up. 672 00:39:42,653 --> 00:39:44,093 Speaker 3: He went back and went off his. 673 00:39:44,093 --> 00:39:49,413 Speaker 4: Twelve or thirteen paces, but he did continue round the 674 00:39:49,453 --> 00:39:53,533 Speaker 4: wicket and it was he dragged one down and Sobers 675 00:39:53,653 --> 00:39:57,453 Speaker 4: just hammered it out of the ground. So so that 676 00:39:57,653 --> 00:40:00,893 Speaker 4: was the sixth sixers and Wadd's even from a radio 677 00:40:00,893 --> 00:40:03,173 Speaker 4: point of view, great comment. 678 00:40:03,333 --> 00:40:06,013 Speaker 3: You know, great sort of power effects, aren't they. 679 00:40:06,173 --> 00:40:09,373 Speaker 4: But the the Morgan secretary, I I can't remember his name, 680 00:40:10,053 --> 00:40:14,173 Speaker 4: was doing that commonary and he didn't go back to 681 00:40:14,253 --> 00:40:17,453 Speaker 4: London or hand it back to BBC at all, and 682 00:40:17,653 --> 00:40:20,853 Speaker 4: just kept on commentating and he actually got a moment 683 00:40:20,933 --> 00:40:24,173 Speaker 4: of kind of that you'd never forget an immortality, didn't he. 684 00:40:24,253 --> 00:40:27,133 Speaker 4: Really it was a bit like kind of Roger Banister 685 00:40:27,893 --> 00:40:30,053 Speaker 4: in like the four minute mile on. It really had 686 00:40:30,093 --> 00:40:33,813 Speaker 4: never been done before. But he did actually write a book, 687 00:40:35,373 --> 00:40:39,533 Speaker 4: Malcolm Nash and an autobiography. It was called not Only, 688 00:40:40,213 --> 00:40:42,933 Speaker 4: which is obviously how everybody remembers and not the only 689 00:40:43,973 --> 00:40:47,733 Speaker 4: remembered for six sixes and it's good not only but 690 00:40:47,933 --> 00:40:51,613 Speaker 4: also and he could then tell his autobiography about the 691 00:40:52,493 --> 00:40:54,693 Speaker 4: nine hundred and ninety wickets and they beat the Aussies 692 00:40:54,773 --> 00:40:58,693 Speaker 4: too that on nineteen sixty eight, who were touring that time, 693 00:40:58,813 --> 00:41:00,973 Speaker 4: So they were a good shide and he. 694 00:41:01,053 --> 00:41:04,573 Speaker 3: Was very much at the heart. Yeah it's interesting you say, 695 00:41:04,613 --> 00:41:04,893 Speaker 3: we are. 696 00:41:05,413 --> 00:41:07,573 Speaker 2: Yeah, Mousie was saying that, you know, it sort of 697 00:41:07,653 --> 00:41:10,173 Speaker 2: lives in your memory because it's one of those special 698 00:41:10,213 --> 00:41:12,853 Speaker 2: moments of cricket. Yes, it's been done since, but at 699 00:41:12,893 --> 00:41:15,933 Speaker 2: that stage it was a special moment. I think Ravish 700 00:41:15,933 --> 00:41:19,013 Speaker 2: Shastri has done it too, hasn't he? But uh, you 701 00:41:19,053 --> 00:41:22,373 Speaker 2: know everybody wanted to be sobers as well in those days, 702 00:41:22,373 --> 00:41:22,853 Speaker 2: didn't they. 703 00:41:23,613 --> 00:41:23,893 Speaker 4: Oh? 704 00:41:23,933 --> 00:41:26,933 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, it was very evocative, as I sort of 705 00:41:26,973 --> 00:41:29,573 Speaker 5: saying watching it on. For for us it was a 706 00:41:29,853 --> 00:41:37,253 Speaker 5: black and white TV in somewhat blurry the commentary. And 707 00:41:37,413 --> 00:41:39,733 Speaker 5: as the young kid as I was at the time, 708 00:41:40,213 --> 00:41:46,333 Speaker 5: I was, and Sobers was the special special player, greatest, 709 00:41:46,493 --> 00:41:49,733 Speaker 5: greatest ever, some would say, but I mean just the whole, 710 00:41:49,853 --> 00:41:52,213 Speaker 5: the whole element of all that and and where it 711 00:41:52,413 --> 00:41:56,733 Speaker 5: was in that ground. It's just yeah, it's it's it's 712 00:41:56,773 --> 00:42:00,093 Speaker 5: just stuck in my memory and quite wonderful. You're fantastic 713 00:42:00,093 --> 00:42:02,373 Speaker 5: to bring back up and think about it again. 714 00:42:03,213 --> 00:42:05,133 Speaker 2: You're right. You're right, Jerry about the sound effects. You 715 00:42:05,173 --> 00:42:07,253 Speaker 2: can hear the ball hitting the back, can't you? Every 716 00:42:07,253 --> 00:42:11,613 Speaker 2: time he goes for sex. Yeah, yeah, it was quite amazing. 717 00:42:12,573 --> 00:42:14,893 Speaker 4: I have to say though that I hit a six 718 00:42:14,973 --> 00:42:18,093 Speaker 4: further on Saint Helens than Sobers because my one, when 719 00:42:18,133 --> 00:42:19,813 Speaker 4: I hit it out of the ground, it was it 720 00:42:19,973 --> 00:42:23,973 Speaker 4: bounced into a Toyota and ended up in Abergavenny. 721 00:42:26,053 --> 00:42:29,093 Speaker 2: So much further so you have got a record there. 722 00:42:29,413 --> 00:42:30,533 Speaker 2: It's not as good as. 723 00:42:30,373 --> 00:42:34,453 Speaker 3: The No, I'm not comparing myself to Sobers. I've got 724 00:42:34,493 --> 00:42:35,693 Speaker 3: to say that that's for sure. 725 00:42:36,613 --> 00:42:39,373 Speaker 2: It's like the old days of the player from Carraa. 726 00:42:39,453 --> 00:42:41,453 Speaker 2: You hit the ball into a tram outside the base 727 00:42:41,493 --> 00:42:45,373 Speaker 2: in reserve and it ended up at Island Bay. The numbers, 728 00:42:45,373 --> 00:42:47,613 Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's just a little bit of history. 729 00:42:47,773 --> 00:42:50,533 Speaker 2: I can share something with you though, Jeremy, that you 730 00:42:50,573 --> 00:42:53,773 Speaker 2: will be happy to know Glamorgan have earned promotion to 731 00:42:53,933 --> 00:42:57,773 Speaker 2: Division one after finishing second in Division two this year. 732 00:42:57,893 --> 00:43:01,653 Speaker 2: There you go, you know, they might have been living 733 00:43:01,653 --> 00:43:04,733 Speaker 2: off the history of Malcolm Nash. 734 00:43:07,133 --> 00:43:08,293 Speaker 4: Be remembered. 735 00:43:09,613 --> 00:43:09,973 Speaker 2: Forever. 736 00:43:10,413 --> 00:43:10,933 Speaker 3: Remember. 737 00:43:11,613 --> 00:43:14,893 Speaker 2: Thanks guys. I hope you can go away and enjoy 738 00:43:15,093 --> 00:43:19,773 Speaker 2: some cricket of the White Ferns variety and we can 739 00:43:20,493 --> 00:43:25,093 Speaker 2: perhaps talk about a charge towards semi finals and England 740 00:43:25,213 --> 00:43:28,013 Speaker 2: aren't far away. They're going to be with us in 741 00:43:28,133 --> 00:43:29,893 Speaker 2: no time at all. 742 00:43:29,933 --> 00:43:30,653 Speaker 3: Thanks you, John. 743 00:43:31,893 --> 00:43:36,453 Speaker 5: All right, what's cheers. 744 00:43:36,733 --> 00:43:39,773 Speaker 3: All the wonderful summer. 745 00:43:46,573 --> 00:43:49,213 Speaker 1: For more from News Talks ed B listen live on 746 00:43:49,293 --> 00:43:52,253 Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever 747 00:43:52,333 --> 00:43:54,893 Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.